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Rheinmetall showed its version of the modernization of the British MBT Challenger 2

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Rheinmetall showed its version of the modernization of the British MBT Challenger 2

The web has a video of a new version of the British mainstream tank Challenger 2 from the German concern Rheinmetall. The video was posted on the YouTube channel Rheinmetall Defense.


Recall that Britain intends to use MBT Challenger 2 at least until 2035. For this, back in 2013, the command of the British Army launched work on the Challenger 2 Life Extension Program (CLEP / LEP). The task for the modernization of the tank was received by the British branch of BAE Systems and the land sector of the German concern Rheinmetall.

In autumn 2018, BAE Systems introduced its version of the tank, called the Black Night ("Dark Night"). In this modification, the company decided to limit itself to minor alterations, making the main emphasis on replacing parts of the equipment, primarily the fire control system and communications equipment. The hull and tower remain the same, and the power plant is not affected. The weapons complex retains the basic elements, but must receive new ones.


Unlike BAE Systems, Rheinmetall took a different path: the German project proposes to use a completely new tower with modern equipment. It contains new fire control devices and other weapons. The German project provides for the abandonment of the standard rifled gun L30A1 in favor of a 120-mm caliber smooth-bore gun more familiar to modern tanks. It is possible to replace the engine with a more powerful one.

Which of the options the British army will choose in the future is now unknown. In any case, BAE Systems and Rheinmetall, which created a joint venture for the production of new tanks in 2019, will also benefit.
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  1. Tuzik
    Tuzik 12 July 2020 15: 50 New
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    "The German project provides for the abandonment of the standard rifled gun L30A1 in favor of a 120-mm caliber smooth-bore gun more familiar to modern tanks"
    Well, that will not be the original tank. What is the Britons proud of then?
    1. svp67
      svp67 12 July 2020 15: 56 New
      +9
      Quote: Tuzik
      What is the Britons proud of then?

      Forgive me, but the fact that the Germans are doing the "grandparents" of the tank, their tank, is not something to be proud of.
      Quote: Tuzik
      Well, that will not be the original tank.

      There is such a word "unification" and the Britons had long had to abandon their rifled cannon of a cannon loading.
      And honestly, the tank has clearly become more nimble, and the new tower, taken in many respects from the Leo-2A6, with its filling, and possibly the A7, will make that “Challenging” tank very bold, very ...
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 12 July 2020 16: 01 New
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        Rheinmetall made a project that will definitely lose BAE Systems, maybe that's the idea. Show the availability of the competition.
        1. svp67
          svp67 12 July 2020 16: 04 New
          +3
          Quote: Grazdanin
          Rheinmetall made a project that will definitely lose BAE Systems

          And what does he lose? In combat qualities - no, they are equal. But the price of this project, and most importantly its operation will be lower.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 12 July 2020 16: 13 New
            +2
            The German version will be much more expensive. BAE in fact modernizes the "electronics", the Germans completely change the turret and gun.
            1. svp67
              svp67 12 July 2020 16: 18 New
              +5
              Quote: Grazdanin
              AE in fact modernizes the "electronics", the Germans completely change the turret and gun.

              They will UNIFY it, as well as the engine with Leo-2 ... And it will eventually be CHEAPER, since they decided to operate this tank until 2035
              1. Berber
                Berber 13 July 2020 08: 55 New
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                After modernization, the result is a “Leopard”.
            2. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 12 July 2020 17: 16 New
              +5
              The cheapest option is to buy a Leo2A5 and then upgrade to A7. How do the Poles. In a circle will be cheaper.
              1. svp67
                svp67 12 July 2020 19: 23 New
                +2
                Quote: Zaurbek
                In a circle will be cheaper.

                So it is, but how will the Queen look at it and what will the Parliament and the Society say?
          2. 5-9
            5-9 12 July 2020 16: 40 New
            +3
            Equal? Are you seriously comparing the archaic-wretchedly funny L30A1 with the Rh.120L55? Yes, and the engine too ... It is clear that from Quasimodo you can’t make a normal tank, but at least something ...
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 12 July 2020 17: 17 New
              +3
              She’s not miserable funny ... she holds a record for the range of a broken tank. Iraqi T54. Or his Chinese clone, I recall.
              1. 5-9
                5-9 12 July 2020 17: 31 New
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                How does one cancel the other?
                Yes, and why should a Basurman be sorry? Write more ... Won Yavreysky Semiticovaroarischi say that the racially-unfriendly other Semitic targets from L7 for 8 km hit ... Alexander Vasilievich Rymniksky approve ..
              2. doubovitski
                doubovitski 12 July 2020 21: 27 New
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                Quote: Zaurbek
                She’s not miserable funny ... she holds a record for the range of a broken tank. Iraqi T54. Or his Chinese clone, I recall.

                Records are recorded at the training grounds, and not in battle. This requires fixing hundreds of parameters that cannot be written to the field and cannot be measured. RANDOMITY. By chance, you can get a pebble into a high voltage power line wire. But especially never.
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 13 July 2020 00: 14 New
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                  Quote: doubovitski
                  By chance, you can get a pebble into a high voltage power line wire.

                  By the way, at the Krasnopolyanskaya hydroelectric station there was such a case.
                  At the entrance to the KPPPP there was a security guard and one of the business travelers did not allow him to enter the facility. Then it got into his head to give a warning shot up. I got into a high-voltage (110 kV) wire going from the power station to the consumer. The wire did not interrupt, a hump formed, which was clearly visible, although the height of the wire from the ground (I recall 110kv) is decent.
      2. Tuzik
        Tuzik 12 July 2020 16: 21 New
        +1
        They had the most accurate gun, and now like everyone else
        1. svp67
          svp67 12 July 2020 16: 31 New
          +4
          Quote: Tuzik
          They had the most accurate gun, and now like everyone else

          Here the key word "was" ... before the appearance of the L-55, the "metalworkers" ... which is the best tank weapon of the West.
          1. mvg
            mvg 12 July 2020 16: 49 New
            +2
            before the L-55

            What does the caliber and rifled gun have to do with it. For Jews, the L-7A for junk takes prizes in accuracy from Merkava 4. Just because of 200 cars you should not bother with individual ammunition.
            And what the Germans did was immediately evident.
            1. svp67
              svp67 12 July 2020 17: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: mvg
              What does the caliber and rifled gun have to do with it.

              There is such a science of "ballistics", that's all with it ...
              For Jews, the L-7A for junk takes prizes in accuracy from Merkava 4.
              The Ukrainians won the “old woman”, “sixty-four”, as they performed well, but the “eighty-four”, that ... “I couldn’t, I couldn’t.” Although the T-84 is "a cut above" the T-64B, in terms of firing ... It would not hurt to remember where anyone grows their hands
              1. mvg
                mvg 12 July 2020 18: 56 New
                +2
                There is such a science of "ballistics"

                Sergey, you all perfectly understood. Rifled much more accurately smoothbore. There is nothing to do with calibers, just the beginning of the crowbar’s speed, due to the increased muzzle energy.
                Merkava has L44, but the Jews are not fools.
                Yes, the T-64 and T-84 have the same smoothbore guns, 2A46M4. The story behind the T-84 and you yourself know, shooting has nothing to do with it.
                And Challenger, although it did not occupy first places in NATO’s biathlon, shot best. By the way, the most protected western tank.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 12 July 2020 19: 15 New
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                  Quote: mvg
                  History, beyond the T-84

                  There is nothing to do with the tank, there are "crooked hands", those who debugged mechanisms
                  Quote: mvg
                  And Challenger, although it did not occupy first places in NATO’s biathlon, shot best. By the way, the most protected western tank.

                  And he didn’t shoot, Leo-2 bypassed him. And Leclerc with Leo2A6 already surpass it in terms of armor protection
                  1. mvg
                    mvg 12 July 2020 19: 18 New
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                    And Leclerc with Leo2A6 already surpass it in terms of armor protection

                    No one has 1200 mm in the forehead, 2A6, Abrams CEP3, 1100 mm. At least I saw such a table. T-90A Vladimir - 900
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 12 July 2020 19: 33 New
                      +1
                      Quote: mvg
                      No one has 1200 mm in the forehead, 2A6, Abrams CEP3, 1100 mm. At least I saw such a table. T-90A Vladimir - 900

                      And where are Chel-2?
                      1. mvg
                        mvg 12 July 2020 19: 53 New
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                        And where are Chel-2?

                        I’m sorry, I’ll leave for a couple of hours ... I found a sign, I’ll publish it.
                      2. mvg
                        mvg 12 July 2020 21: 14 New
                        +2
                        On armor, two articles are 800-1200 mm, I'm afraid that the data was taken from each other. I usually remember the numbers, they themselves remain in my head, like cell numbers.
                        One of the articles
                        http://armedman.ru/tanki/1961-1990-bronetehnika/osnovnoy-boevoy-tank-challenger-2-velikobritaniya.html
                        I don’t see the table I want to show. It was about SEP3, and the author made a comparison that in terms of armor protection, Abrams was as close as possible to the leader in security Challenger 2. Merkava estimated at 900 mm, as well as the T-90A.
                        PS: I was leaving for a swim, a good end to the day. The purest water in the quarry, clear-sighted about 10 meters. No shotgun.
                      3. mvg
                        mvg 12 July 2020 21: 25 New
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                        And where are Chel-2?


                        Forehead Challenger II (KE - OBPS, HEAT - cumulative)
                      4. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 13 July 2020 00: 54 New
                        +1
                        I’ll add a little. In the photo, the torn Challenger tower lies, as I understand it, with the roof up. Look at the front protection. Compared to defending our towers, Challenger has tin.


                      5. Grading
                        Grading 13 July 2020 12: 14 New
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                        This chieftain look carefully
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                1. mvg
                  mvg 13 July 2020 00: 22 New
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                  Where are such conclusions from ?

                  Well, there is one forum, lovers. There, these pictures are laid out. Raise literature, rumors (media), etc.
                  As I read one article, I liked it about CEP3, Merkava, 2A6, Leclerc and T-90A were affected there, ran through, made conclusions.
                  1. Bad_gr
                    Bad_gr 13 July 2020 01: 20 New
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                    Quote: mvg
                    there were affected Merkava, 2A6, Leclerc and T-90A, ran, made conclusions.

                    Often, the conclusions in such articles are far-fetched. For example, according to the Leopard. The tank itself is very PR. For peacetime, not bad. And if you carefully look at its layout and where what kind of armor is - questions arise. For instance
                    On the other hand, there are 4 batteries on the overhang shelf, covered with the same armor. Judging by the thickness of the DShK, it will break through. That is, a tank can be disabled on board even with a heavy machine gun. Yes, and in the stern, on the grille. Board of the tank 20mm (at T-72 -80mm). He, of course, was covered with a bulwark, but this protection is more from cumulative, but kinetic, a bulwark is not an obstacle.
                    Where am I mistaken?
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 12 July 2020 17: 36 New
            +4
            It is always long in calibers.
            1. svp67
              svp67 12 July 2020 17: 38 New
              +3
              Quote: Zaurbek
              It is always long in calibers.

              Moreover, AS
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 12 July 2020 17: 49 New
                +5
                But the rifling and high speed of the BOPS are incompatible things. Therefore, they abandoned them in tanks, so in the shooting range the speed of the bullet does not exceed 1000 m / s.
            2. mvg
              mvg 12 July 2020 18: 58 New
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              It is long in calibres

              It is long in meters, do not mislead me. Sometimes in feet.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 12 July 2020 19: 03 New
                +3
                In artillery in calibers .... this shows roughly the characteristics of the barrel ....
              2. svp67
                svp67 12 July 2020 19: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: mvg
                It is long in meters, do not mislead me. Sometimes in feet.

                And boas in parrots ... Artillery weapons have dimensions both in meters and feet, and in calibers, so it’s clearer and more indicative
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 12 July 2020 20: 10 New
                  +1
                  How to correlate caliber and barrel length? 5m with 85mm and 5m with 155mm are different things
        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 12 July 2020 17: 18 New
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          By accuracy, rifled is always better and by the power of HE shells too.
          1. svp67
            svp67 12 July 2020 17: 29 New
            +3
            Quote: Zaurbek
            By accuracy, rifled is always better and by the power of HE shells too.

            Not always.
        3. 5-9
          5-9 12 July 2020 17: 32 New
          -1
          And the L-44 is better ... The 55th accuracy is thinner
          1. svp67
            svp67 12 July 2020 17: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: 5-9
            And the L-44 is better ... The 55th accuracy is thinner

            At comparable ranges? This cannot be, at least because the B-BPS L-55 has a higher speed, and this is an indicator that the direct range and accuracy of this gun will be higher
            1. 5-9
              5-9 12 July 2020 17: 50 New
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              But no ... I’m surprised myself ... But the Germans, having a DM-53 and couldn’t match the M892A3 (half defective) and A4 in BP, went along the path of building up the trunk and not the shell ... Amer and 44 calibers are enough and they’re not even going to ...
              1. svp67
                svp67 12 July 2020 17: 56 New
                +1
                Quote: 5-9
                But the Germans, having a DM-53 and failed in the analogue of M892A3 (half defective)

                But they have a newer DM63. It has an initial speed of 1650 m / s when shooting from the L / 44 gun of the Leopard 2A4 tank and 1720 m / s when shooting from the longer L / 55 gun mounted on the Leopard 2A6 and 2A7 tanks.
                1. 5-9
                  5-9 13 July 2020 08: 35 New
                  -1
                  DM63 Is this not an export projectile simpler and with a smaller PSU?
                2. Crimean partisan 1974
                  Crimean partisan 1974 13 July 2020 09: 04 New
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                  DM63 ..... yes, even though DM50000 or more, you will suppress the firing point with crowbars, just like with a cumulative one. need OF. for example, the T-72B3 and T-90 ammunition includes OF-36 shells that weigh 23 kg. By the way, they can be nightmare armored targets without any problems, and there is also a Invar-E missile system with a range of 6500 m in strength. This is strength ....... and what is in the NATO tank kit. crowbars. cumulative yes undercharge combined 12 kg ...... have something more substantial
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 13 July 2020 09: 12 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                    need OF.

                    They have it
                    The DM11 ammunition has a low-sensitivity high-explosive fragmentation warhead containing a mixture of steel fragments and heavier metal fragments. It can be programmed in the modes of air blasting, shock or delay, which allows you to fight enemy groups with anti-tank weapons and dismounted infantry at increased ranges , and also allows punching concrete walls with double reinforcement.
                    1. Crimean partisan 1974
                      Crimean partisan 1974 13 July 2020 13: 17 New
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                      DM11 .... out of 12 kg of the projectile itself, it has 3 kg for the cumulative and 8 for the HE itself the rest is the shell ...... or it may not mean that it can ... 23 kg OF-36 is still massive anyway . or maybe there is already more massive. I do not know. just a guess. automatic machine according to FIG what weight to push into the breech. but the Negro-loader will have problems with the load with an increase in the mass of unitary ammunition. ... by the way, it looks like you didn’t work as a loader? otherwise it would be immediately truncated how many bags can be transported by an electric car and how many are in the pose of a running Egyptian
  • Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 12 July 2020 15: 56 New
    -4
    Tank without KAZ? Are these still being designed?
    1. svp67
      svp67 12 July 2020 16: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Grazdanin
      Tank without KAZ? Are these still being designed?

      And what, then it will be impossible to install the system on the tank? What they asked for, they designed it ... like the Koreans don’t mind much, and the Indians got what they asked ...
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 12 July 2020 16: 09 New
        -2
        In principle, yes, they will put the same IMI Iron Fist as BAE.
      2. D16
        D16 12 July 2020 16: 27 New
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        and the Indians got what they asked ...

        What they paid for. smile
        1. svp67
          svp67 12 July 2020 19: 22 New
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          Quote: D16
          What they paid for.
          Yes, they paid well, but they didn’t limit themselves in desires. They wanted to get the armor on the tank as thick as possible, got ...
          1. D16
            D16 12 July 2020 19: 57 New
            -1
            Yes, they paid well, but they didn’t limit themselves in desires.

            What did they want there? We got what we had enough money for.
            They wanted to get the armor on the tank as thick as possible, got ...

            Why such an ellipsis? They really got the maximum that can be obtained from the car in this weight. T-90 is probably better protected than Arjun laughing
            1. svp67
              svp67 13 July 2020 09: 13 New
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              Quote: D16
              Why such an ellipsis?

              Yes, because you have to be realistic and understand that everything should be in moderation. They got a heavily weighted tank, which is very difficult to operate in real terrain.
              1. D16
                D16 13 July 2020 09: 43 New
                -1
                So they ordered the T-90, not Arjun laughing . I simply did not understand the campaign, thinking that you criticized the T-90 for poor booking.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 13 July 2020 09: 46 New
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                  Quote: D16
                  So they ordered the T-90, not Arjun

                  At a German company? No, the German specialists just did “Arjuns” to them, fulfilling all their “Wishlist”, for a lot of money, and even for quite some time ...
          2. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 13 July 2020 10: 11 New
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            Quote: svp67
            They wanted to get the armor on the tank as thick as possible, got ...

            The frontal armor is the lower armor plate: in the frontal projection of Challenger it takes a third, it is not visible to be strengthened, but I do not remember its thickness exactly, but thinner than ours.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 12 July 2020 17: 19 New
      -1
      T90M for example .... and Trophy is put on NATO tanks.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 12 July 2020 17: 20 New
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        IMI Iron Fist bet, it stands at Black Night.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 12 July 2020 17: 23 New
          -1
          It doesn’t matter .... practically, they are already standing on the Abrams
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 12 July 2020 17: 29 New
            0
            Today, the Turkish Minister accepted M60 with KAZ Zaslon.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 12 July 2020 17: 33 New
              +1
              You need to put on your tanks. Without this, any ground operation will bring huge losses that the regime cannot explain to the population. Cornets and Tou went to the masses. Their copies are riveted by Iran and China.
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 12 July 2020 17: 39 New
                -1
                I am for it, only do we have a working KAZ? more precisely, can we mass-produce it? There will be no answer without serial deliveries.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 12 July 2020 17: 47 New
                  +1
                  Until they appear, but the T90M ... I believe that they are not there.
              2. Doliva63
                Doliva63 12 July 2020 17: 53 New
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                Quote: Zaurbek
                You need to put on your tanks. Without this, any ground operation will bring huge losses that the regime cannot explain to the population. Cornets and Tou went to the masses. Their copies are riveted by Iran and China.

                When there are no brains, “any ground operation will bring huge losses”, regardless of the presence / absence of KAZ. laughing
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 12 July 2020 17: 56 New
                  0
                  I mean operations against non-regular troops. Type Syrian.
                  1. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 12 July 2020 18: 26 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    I mean operations against non-regular troops. Type Syrian.

                    Do you think brains are not needed in such "operations"? I have the impression that after Chechnya, military thought in the minds of many was lost somewhere, as if we had never had military science. Yes, organize a couple of “friends” in each village, do surveillance round-the-clock reconnaissance, constantly “patrol” reconnaissance routes / roads / paths, conduct constant radio and radio reconnaissance — you will need 3 times less tanks. Cram all the surroundings with "Reality", finally. And "imprison" the Air Force, artillery, and tanks with infantry under it all - instead of a brigade, for example, a battalion group is enough to get ahead of the enemy by 2-3 hours. In conditions of focal defense, as Busv once used to say, one must constantly be “in contact” with the enemy — whether he is resting or fighting. If you lose, you will receive a blow in an unexpected place. For this, there are army ORRSpN, for example, or reconnaissance airborne companies and necessarily RIRTR (osnaz). Then the tanks do not need to hang KAZ, but simply exit when and where necessary, complete the task and return home. Well, KAZ will not hurt, of course. Just in case, no more.
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 12 July 2020 18: 29 New
                      +1
                      The Turks in Syria, like the Syrians fought .... these are not tank attacks.
                    2. Clone
                      Clone 13 July 2020 02: 40 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      after Chechnya, military thought in the heads of many was lost somewhere, as if we never had military science


                      A lot is not necessary. Just one minister ... with the surname Serdyukov. By the way, during and after Afghanistan, the same thing happened ... The mass of the most useful information for the troops, circulated in TurkVO, did not reach other military districts and groups of forces.
                      1. Doliva63
                        Doliva63 14 July 2020 20: 38 New
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                        Quote: Clone
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        after Chechnya, military thought in the heads of many was lost somewhere, as if we never had military science


                        A lot is not necessary. Just one minister ... with the surname Serdyukov. By the way, during and after Afghanistan, the same thing happened ... The mass of the most useful information for the troops, circulated in TurkVO, did not reach other military districts and groups of forces.

                        Under Serdyukov, glory to Allah, he no longer served, he directly felt what he was going to. About Afghanistan. My father, already a gray-haired pension, was invited there at the very beginning as a consultant for a couple of weeks. He came home, said something like: "these are no longer warriors," he stood on this to the stop and was right, as life has shown. I'm not talking about fighters and middle management, if that. And the materials on the experience of the 40th army were - if not in the "secret", they make a request, and it comes. It’s just that not everyone knew about it and not everyone really wanted to get it, probably. That's how they came to Chechnya (I'm talking about the military), in the end, when the SPN company is used as a GPZ, and the infantry battalion can be driven several times in a row by a machine gun in an open field. Especially “killed” the use of groups of divers-scouts of the Northern Fleet there - a comrade served there, also got to Chechnya! I then heard a lot of comrades who came from there, I decided to return to the army, it was there, because nonsense was going on, in my opinion, incredible. But the medical board hacked - half a skull made of plastic, they say, they won’t survive Chechnya laughing And the fact that I commanded with this plastic a separate army company - they did not care. laughing Well that's it, chatter over a glass of tea. Thanks for the conversation drinks
  • 5-9
    5-9 12 July 2020 16: 32 New
    -2
    The Little Briber has only 165 of these drug addictions ... So it’s hard to get too much ... I think the German tower with Rh. 120L55 and MTU886 will somewhat correct the situation. But bablanetna most likely
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 12 July 2020 16: 34 New
    +1
    All that the Germans touched turns into a LEOPARD))) ... well, that's not the worst vision of modernization ... although not without drawbacks ...
  • Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 12 July 2020 16: 36 New
    -5
    It looks like a very beautiful tank ... good The designers created a functional tank, but they did not forget the aesthetics.
    1. Clone
      Clone 13 July 2020 02: 16 New
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      Quote: Oquzyurd
      very beautiful tank ...

      Nope. The Teutons are handsome. Koreans excelled themselves. At worst ... The Americans have Abrams. The French, the yap ... But the British always had a dope, both in tanks and in riflemen.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 12 July 2020 16: 37 New
    0
    England does not produce tanks, from 9 or 10 years. The workshops are reprofiled, the challenger is a good tank. by reviews. The engine is rather weak, there is a two-stroke engine, like T-64, if I don’t confuse it with Chiften. If the engine is not replaced, then this will not add pluses. Well, a motoblock is stuck from a leopard, it will be nice.
    1. svp67
      svp67 12 July 2020 17: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: Free Wind
      The engine is rather weak, there’s a two-stroke engine, like T-64, if I don’t confuse Chiften

      You confuse ... The "Chief" had a VERTICAL boxer two-stroke, and this "classic" CV12, a four-stroke 12-cylinder V-shaped engine with turbocharger and intercooler.
  • Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 12 July 2020 16: 39 New
    -6
    I think the best tank in the world, in the field on a remote battle, he has no equal
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 12 July 2020 17: 56 New
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      Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
      I think the best tank in the world, in the field on a remote battle, he has no equal

      Are there such fights ?! belay
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 12 July 2020 18: 39 New
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        Quote: Doliva63
        are there such fights ?!

        Caution, Valentine, do not scare. Strongly reminds Vasya from Samara. yes laughing
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 14 July 2020 22: 02 New
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          Quote: Paranoid50
          Quote: Doliva63
          are there such fights ?!

          Caution, Valentine, do not scare. Strongly reminds Vasya from Samara. yes laughing

          I’m silent, I’m waiting for the continuation drinks
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 12 July 2020 16: 45 New
    +3
    My opinion: Let it be better than 22 fools to drive the ball across the field, and not to modernize each other’s tanks. With a ball, they’re better at it, and we’ll cheer for them.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 12 July 2020 18: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      With a ball they get better

      Not better:
      Football is a game played by 22 people, and Germans always win.
      Harry Lineker, English footballer
      laughing laughing laughing
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 12 July 2020 18: 48 New
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        5 -1 raked Germany in the group stage 2002.4 -1 raked the British in the 1/8 finals of the 2010 black and white. So Harry Lineker is right about something!
  • Locksmith
    Locksmith 12 July 2020 16: 54 New
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    Well, for current affairs, right now you need to sell them a version of Armat 14-mark2 light GE, so take a steam bath, let them finish building, spend their budget laughing , and we will begin our research further, there is no need to stagnate - people are gaining experience in design bureaus, young people have come up already, we need to build and sell, fighting idiots, ims do not care bells and whistles, the mass drives ...
    The solution by which their sector of the nuclear industry was "dropped" is very warming, rocket engines = pushed as far as possible with a loss of priority - also in the same topic, norms, let them knead their solution .... am
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 12 July 2020 17: 45 New
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    "Which option the British army will choose in the future is not known right now. In any case, BAE Systems and Rheinmetall, which created a joint venture for the production of new tanks in 2019, will also benefit."
    An interesting "contest" is coming out laughing
  • Freedim
    Freedim 12 July 2020 17: 53 New
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    We are waiting for biathlon ..
  • Ded_Mazay
    Ded_Mazay 12 July 2020 18: 12 New
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    And will there be money from ̶v̶e̶l̶i̶k̶o̶ of the small Britain for the modernization of the challenge from Rheinmetall? It seems to me that they will purchase the most budgetary of the presented options, write the "correct" report on successful modernization, and on this basis, extend the life of the unit until 2035.
  • Clone
    Clone 13 July 2020 02: 09 New
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    Nah ... the intolerant name of the project, the British will be against it.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 July 2020 04: 11 New
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    The weapons complex retains the basic elements, but must receive new ones.
    How's that? repeat
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 13 July 2020 07: 42 New
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    Particularly "pleased" the manual type of loading guns !!! Did the shells “shove” the guns at last? Well, "well done" !!! I summarize: do not solder like a rusty bucket - at least some sense will be only until the next hole.