Rheinmetall showed its version of the modernization of the British MBT Challenger 2

The web has a video of a new version of the British mainstream tank Challenger 2 from the German concern Rheinmetall. The video was posted on the YouTube channel Rheinmetall Defense.

Recall that Britain intends to use MBT Challenger 2 at least until 2035. For this, back in 2013, the command of the British Army launched work on the Challenger 2 Life Extension Program (CLEP / LEP). The task for the modernization of the tank was received by the British branch of BAE Systems and the land sector of the German concern Rheinmetall.

In autumn 2018, BAE Systems introduced its version of the tank, called the Black Night ("Dark Night"). In this modification, the company decided to limit itself to minor alterations, making the main emphasis on replacing parts of the equipment, primarily the fire control system and communications equipment. The hull and tower remain the same, and the power plant is not affected. The weapons complex retains the basic elements, but must receive new ones.

Unlike BAE Systems, Rheinmetall took a different path: the German project proposes to use a completely new tower with modern equipment. It contains new fire control devices and other weapons. The German project provides for the abandonment of the standard rifled gun L30A1 in favor of a 120-mm caliber smooth-bore gun more familiar to modern tanks. It is possible to replace the engine with a more powerful one.

Which of the options the British army will choose in the future is now unknown. In any case, BAE Systems and Rheinmetall, which created a joint venture for the production of new tanks in 2019, will also benefit.

Comments

[Tuzik]

"The German project provides for the abandonment of the standard L30A1 rifled gun in favor of the 120-mm smoothbore gun, which is more familiar to modern tanks."
Well, that will not be the original tank. What is the Britons proud of then?

[svp67]

Quote: Tuzik

What is the Britons proud of then?

Forgive me, but the fact that the Germans make the "progenitors" of the tank, their tank, is somehow not to be proud of.

Quote: Tuzik

Well, that will not be the original tank.

There is such a word "unification" and the Brits should have abandoned their cap-loading rifled cannon long ago.
And honestly, the tank has clearly become more nimble, and the new tower, largely taken from the Leo-2A6, with its filling, and possibly the A7, will make that "Challenging" tank very impudent, very ...

[Grazdanin]

Rheinmetall made a project that will definitely lose BAE Systems, maybe that's the idea. Show the availability of the competition.

[svp67]

Quote: Grazdanin

Rheinmetall made a project that will definitely lose BAE Systems

And what does he lose? In combat qualities - no, they are equal. But the price of this project, and most importantly its operation will be lower.

[Grazdanin]

The German version will be much more expensive. BAE in fact modernizes the "electronics", the Germans completely change the turret and gun.

[svp67]

Quote: Grazdanin

AE in fact modernizes the "electronics", the Germans completely change the turret and gun.

They will UNIFY it, as well as the engine with Leo-2 ... And it will eventually be CHEAPER, since they decided to operate this tank until 2035

[Berber]

After modernization, the result will be "Leopard".

[Zaurbek]

The cheapest option is to buy a Leo2A5 and then upgrade to A7. How do the Poles. In a circle will be cheaper.

[svp67]

Quote: Zaurbek

In a circle will be cheaper.

So it is, but how will the Queen look at it and what will the Parliament and the Society say?

[5-9]

Equal? Are you seriously comparing the archaic-wretchedly funny L30A1 with the Rh.120L55? Yes, and the engine too ... It is clear that from Quasimodo you can’t make a normal tank, but at least something ...

[Zaurbek]

She’s not miserable funny ... she holds a record for the range of a broken tank. Iraqi T54. Or his Chinese clone, I recall.

[5-9]

How does one cancel the other?
Yes, and why should a Basurman be sorry? Write more ... Won Yavreysky Semiticovaroarischi say that the racially-unfriendly other Semitic targets from L7 for 8 km hit ... Alexander Vasilievich Rymniksky approve ..

[doubovitski]

Quote: Zaurbek

She’s not miserable funny ... she holds a record for the range of a broken tank. Iraqi T54. Or his Chinese clone, I recall.

Records are recorded at the training grounds, and not in battle. This requires fixing hundreds of parameters that cannot be written to the field and cannot be measured. RANDOMITY. By chance, you can get a pebble into a high voltage power line wire. But especially never.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: doubovitski

By chance, you can get a pebble into a high voltage power line wire.

By the way, at the Krasnopolyanskaya hydroelectric station there was such a case.
At the entrance to the KPPPP there was a security guard and one of the business travelers did not allow him to enter the facility. Then it got into his head to give a warning shot up. I got into a high-voltage (110 kV) wire going from the power station to the consumer. The wire did not interrupt, a hump formed, which was clearly visible, although the height of the wire from the ground (I recall 110kv) is decent.

[Tuzik]

They had the most accurate gun, and now like everyone else

[svp67]

Quote: Tuzik

They had the most accurate gun, and now like everyone else

The key word here is "was" ... before the appearance of the L-55 at the "metalworkers" ... which is the best tank gun in the West.

[mvg]

before the L-55

What does the caliber and rifled gun have to do with it. For Jews, the L-7A for junk takes prizes in accuracy from Merkava 4. Just because of 200 cars you should not bother with individual ammunition.
And what the Germans did was immediately evident.

[svp67]

Quote: mvg

What does the caliber and rifled gun have to do with it.

There is such a science of "ballistics", it's all with it ...

For Jews, the L-7A for junk takes prizes in accuracy from Merkava 4.

The Ukrainians won in the "old woman", "sixty-four", how well they performed, and on the "eighty-four", that ... "I couldn't, I couldn't." Although the T-84 is "head and shoulders above" the T-64B, in terms of shooting ... It would not hurt to remember from where someone's arms grow

[mvg]

There is such a science "ballistics"

Sergey, you all perfectly understood. Rifled much more accurately smoothbore. There is nothing to do with calibers, just the beginning of the crowbar’s speed, due to the increased muzzle energy.
Merkava has L44, but the Jews are not fools.
Yes, the T-64 and T-84 have the same smoothbore guns, 2A46M4. The story behind the T-84 and you yourself know, shooting has nothing to do with it.
And Challenger, although he did not occupy the first places in NATO's "biathlon", shot the best. By the way, the most protected western tank.

[svp67]

Quote: mvg

History, beyond the T-84

There is nothing to do with the tank, there are "crooked hands", those who debugged the mechanisms

Quote: mvg

And Challenger, although he did not occupy the first places in NATO's "biathlon", shot the best. By the way, the most protected western tank.

And he didn’t matter, Leo-2 was bypassed. And "Leclerc" with Leo2A6 already surpasses it in terms of armor protection

[mvg]

And "Leclerc" with Leo2A6 already surpasses it in terms of armor protection

No one has 1200 mm in the forehead, 2A6, Abrams CEP3, 1100 mm. At least I saw such a table. T-90A Vladimir - 900

[svp67]

Quote: mvg

No one has 1200 mm in the forehead, 2A6, Abrams CEP3, 1100 mm. At least I saw such a table. T-90A Vladimir - 900

And where does Chel-2 have them?

[mvg]

And where does Chel-2 have them?

I’m sorry, I’ll leave for a couple of hours ... I found a sign, I’ll publish it.

[mvg]

On armor, two articles are 800-1200 mm, I'm afraid that the data was taken from each other. I usually remember the numbers, they themselves remain in my head, like cell numbers.
One of the articles
http://armedman.ru/tanki/1961-1990-bronetehnika/osnovnoy-boevoy-tank-challenger-2-velikobritaniya.html
I don’t see the table I want to show. It was about SEP3, and the author made a comparison that in terms of armor protection, Abrams was as close as possible to the leader in security Challenger 2. Merkava estimated at 900 mm, as well as the T-90A.
PS: I was leaving for a swim, a good end to the day. The purest water in the quarry, clear-sighted about 10 meters. No shotgun.

[mvg]

And where does Chel-2 have them?

Forehead Challenger II (KE - OBPS, HEAT - cumulative)

[Bad_gr]

I’ll add a little. In the photo, the torn Challenger tower lies, as I understand it, with the roof up. Look at the front protection. Compared to defending our towers, Challenger has tin.

[Grading]

This chieftain look carefully

[mvg]

Where are such conclusions from ?

Well, there is one forum, lovers. There, these pictures are laid out. Raise literature, rumors (media), etc.
As I read one article, I liked it about CEP3, Merkava, 2A6, Leclerc and T-90A were affected there, ran through, made conclusions.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: mvg

there were affected Merkava, 2A6, Leclerc and T-90A, ran, made conclusions.

Often, the conclusions in such articles are far-fetched. For example, according to the Leopard. The tank itself is very PR. For peacetime, not bad. And if you carefully look at its layout and where what kind of armor is - questions arise. For instance

On the other hand, there are 4 batteries on the overhang shelf, covered with the same armor. Judging by the thickness of the DShK, it will break through. That is, a tank can be disabled on board even with a heavy machine gun. Yes, and in the stern, on the grille. Board of the tank 20mm (at T-72 -80mm). He, of course, was covered with a bulwark, but this protection is more from cumulative, but kinetic, a bulwark is not an obstacle.
Where am I mistaken?

[Zaurbek]

It is always long in calibers.

[svp67]

Quote: Zaurbek

It is always long in calibers.

Moreover, AS

[Zaurbek]

But the rifling and high speed of the BOPS are incompatible things. Therefore, they abandoned them in tanks, so in the shooting range the speed of the bullet does not exceed 1000 m / s.

[mvg]

It is long in calibres

It is long in meters, do not mislead me. Sometimes in feet.

[Zaurbek]

In artillery in calibers .... this shows roughly the characteristics of the barrel ....

[svp67]

Quote: mvg

It is long in meters, do not mislead me. Sometimes in feet.

And boas in parrots ... Artillery weapons have dimensions both in meters and feet, and in calibers, so it’s clearer and more indicative

[Zaurbek]

How to correlate caliber and barrel length? 5m with 85mm and 5m with 155mm are different things

[Zaurbek]

By accuracy, rifled is always better and by the power of HE shells too.

[svp67]

Quote: Zaurbek

By accuracy, rifled is always better and by the power of HE shells too.

Not always.

[5-9]

And the L-44 is better ... The 55th accuracy is thinner

[svp67]

Quote: 5-9

And the L-44 is better ... The 55th accuracy is thinner

At comparable ranges? This cannot be, at least because the B-BPS L-55 has a higher speed, and this is an indicator that the direct range and accuracy of this gun will be higher

[5-9]

But no ... I’m surprised myself ... But the Germans, having a DM-53 and couldn’t match the M892A3 (half defective) and A4 in BP, went along the path of building up the trunk and not the shell ... Amer and 44 calibers are enough and they’re not even going to ...

[svp67]

Quote: 5-9

But the Germans, having a DM-53 and failed in the analogue of M892A3 (half defective)

But they have a newer DM63. It has an initial speed of 1650 m / s when shooting from the L / 44 gun of the Leopard 2A4 tank and 1720 m / s when shooting from the longer L / 55 gun mounted on the Leopard 2A6 and 2A7 tanks.

[5-9]

DM63 Is this not an export projectile simpler and with a smaller PSU?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

DM63 ..... yes, even though DM50000 or more, you will suppress the firing point with crowbars, just like with a cumulative one. need OF. for example, the T-72B3 and T-90 ammunition includes OF-36 shells that weigh 23 kg. By the way, they can be nightmare armored targets without any problems, and there is also a Invar-E missile system with a range of 6500 m in strength. This is strength ....... and what is in the NATO tank kit. crowbars. cumulative yes undercharge combined 12 kg ...... have something more substantial

[svp67]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

need OF.

They have it
The DM11 ammunition has a low-sensitivity high-explosive fragmentation warhead containing a mixture of steel fragments and heavier metal fragments. It can be programmed in the modes of air blasting, shock or delay, which allows you to fight enemy groups with anti-tank weapons and dismounted infantry at increased ranges , and also allows punching concrete walls with double reinforcement.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

DM11 .... out of 12 kg of the projectile itself, it has 3 kg for the cumulative and 8 for the HE itself the rest is the shell ...... or it may not mean that it can ... 23 kg OF-36 is still massive anyway . or maybe there is already more massive. I do not know. just a guess. automatic machine according to FIG what weight to push into the breech. but the Negro-loader will have problems with the load with an increase in the mass of unitary ammunition. ... by the way, it looks like you didn’t work as a loader? otherwise it would be immediately truncated how many bags can be transported by an electric car and how many are in the pose of a running Egyptian

[Grazdanin]

Tank without KAZ? Are these still being designed?

[svp67]

Quote: Grazdanin

Tank without KAZ? Are these still being designed?

And what, then it will be impossible to install the system on the tank? What they asked for, they designed it ... like the Koreans don’t mind much, and the Indians got what they asked ...

[Grazdanin]

In principle, yes, they will put the same IMI Iron Fist as BAE.

[D16]

and the Indians got what they asked ...

What they paid for.

[svp67]

Quote: D16

What they paid for.

Yes, they paid well, but they didn’t limit themselves in desires. They wanted to get the armor on the tank as thick as possible, got ...

[D16]

Yes, they paid well, but they didn’t limit themselves in desires.

What did they want there? We got what we had enough money for.

They wanted to get the armor on the tank as thick as possible, got ...

Why such an ellipsis? They really got the maximum that can be obtained from the car in this weight. T-90 is probably better protected than Arjun

[svp67]

Quote: D16

Why such an ellipsis?

Yes, because you have to be realistic and understand that everything should be in moderation. They got a heavily weighted tank, which is very difficult to operate in real terrain.

[D16]

So they ordered the T-90, not Arjun . I simply did not understand the campaign, thinking that you criticized the T-90 for poor booking.

[svp67]

Quote: D16

So they ordered the T-90, not Arjun

A German company? No, the German specialists just made "Arjuna" for them, fulfilling all their "Wishlist", for a lot of money, and even for a long time ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: svp67

They wanted to get the armor on the tank as thick as possible, got ...

The frontal armor is the lower armor plate: in the frontal projection of Challenger it takes a third, it is not visible to be strengthened, but I do not remember its thickness exactly, but thinner than ours.

[Zaurbek]

T90M for example .... and Trophy is put on NATO tanks.

[Grazdanin]

IMI Iron Fist bet, it stands at Black Night.

[Zaurbek]

It doesn’t matter .... practically, they are already standing on the Abrams

[Grazdanin]

Today, the Turkish Minister accepted M60 with KAZ Zaslon.

[Zaurbek]

You need to put on your tanks. Without this, any ground operation will bring huge losses that the regime cannot explain to the population. Cornets and Tou went to the masses. Their copies are riveted by Iran and China.

[Grazdanin]

I am for it, only do we have a working KAZ? more precisely, can we mass-produce it? There will be no answer without serial deliveries.

[Zaurbek]

Until they appear, but the T90M ... I believe that they are not there.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Zaurbek

You need to put on your tanks. Without this, any ground operation will bring huge losses that the regime cannot explain to the population. Cornets and Tou went to the masses. Their copies are riveted by Iran and China.

When there are no brains, "any ground operation will bring huge losses", regardless of the presence / absence of KAZ.

[Zaurbek]

I mean operations against non-regular troops. Type Syrian.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Zaurbek

I mean operations against non-regular troops. Type Syrian.

Do you think you don't need brains in such "operations"? I have the impression that after Chechnya, military thought was lost in the heads of many, as if we had never had military science. Yes, organize a pair of "friends" in each village, engage in round-the-clock reconnaissance observation, constantly "patrol" routes / roads / paths with reconnaissance, conduct constant radio and electronic reconnaissance - you will need 3 times less tanks. Stuff all the neighborhoods with "Realia" at last. And "sharpen" the Air Force, artillery, and tanks with infantry for all this - instead of a brigade, for example, a battalion group will be enough to outrun the enemy by 2-3 hours. In the conditions of focal defense, as the BUSV once said, it is necessary to constantly be "in contact" with the enemy - whether he is resting or fighting. If you lose, you will get hit in an unexpected place. For this, there are army ORRSPN, for example, or reconnaissance airborne companies and necessarily RIRTR (osnaz). Then the tanks do not need to hang KAZ, but simply go out when and where necessary, complete the task and return home. Well, KAZ will not hurt, of course, just in case, no more.

[Zaurbek]

The Turks in Syria, like the Syrians fought .... these are not tank attacks.

[Clone]

Quote: Doliva63

after Chechnya, military thought in the heads of many was lost somewhere, as if we never had military science

A lot is not necessary. Just one minister ... with the surname Serdyukov. By the way, during and after Afghanistan, the same thing happened ... The mass of the most useful information for the troops, circulated in TurkVO, did not reach other military districts and groups of forces.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Clone

Quote: Doliva63

after Chechnya, military thought in the heads of many was lost somewhere, as if we never had military science

A lot is not necessary. Just one minister ... with the surname Serdyukov. By the way, during and after Afghanistan, the same thing happened ... The mass of the most useful information for the troops, circulated in TurkVO, did not reach other military districts and groups of forces.

Under Serdyukov, thank Allah, he no longer served, he directly felt where he was going. About Afghan. My father, already a gray-haired penny, was invited there at the very beginning as a consultant for a couple of weeks. I came home, said something like: "these are no longer warriors", stood on this to the stop and was right, as life has shown. I'm not talking about the fighters and the middle link, if that. And there were materials on the experience of the 40th army - if there is no secret, they make a request, and it comes. It's just that not everyone knew about it and not everyone really wanted to get it, probably. That's how they came to Chechnya (I'm talking about the military), in the end, when a special forces company is used as a GPZ, and an infantry battalion can be driven several times in a row to a machine gun in an open field. Especially "killed" the use there of groups of divers-scouts of the Northern Fleet - a friend served there, he also got to Chechnya! Then I heard enough of my comrades, who came from there, decided to return to the army, it was there, because nonsense was going on, in my opinion, incredible. But the medical board hacked to death - half a skull made of plastic, they say, Chechnya will not survive And the fact that I commanded with this plastic a separate army company - they did not care. Well that's it, chatter over a glass of tea. Thanks for the conversation

[5-9]

The Little Briber has only 165 of these drug addictions ... So it’s hard to get too much ... I think the German tower with Rh. 120L55 and MTU886 will somewhat correct the situation. But bablanetna most likely

[silverwolf88]

All that the Germans touched turns into a LEOPARD))) ... well, that's not the worst vision of modernization ... although not without drawbacks ...

[Oquzyurd]

It looks like a very beautiful tank ... The designers created a functional tank, but they did not forget the aesthetics.

[Clone]

Quote: Oquzyurd

very beautiful tank ...

Nope. The Teutons are handsome. Koreans excelled themselves. At worst ... The Americans have Abrams. The French, the yap ... But the British always had a dope, both in tanks and in riflemen.

[Free wind]

England does not produce tanks, from 9 or 10 years. The workshops are reprofiled, the challenger is a good tank. by reviews. The engine is rather weak, there is a two-stroke engine, like T-64, if I don’t confuse it with Chiften. If the engine is not replaced, then this will not add pluses. Well, a motoblock is stuck from a leopard, it will be nice.

[svp67]

Quote: Free Wind

The engine is rather weak, there’s a two-stroke engine, like T-64, if I don’t confuse Chiften

Confusing ... The Chief had a VERTICAL boxer two-stroke, while this classic CV12 had a four-stroke 12-cylinder V-engine with turbocharging and intercooled.

[Hydrography Bay Golden Horn]

I think the best tank in the world, in the field on a remote battle, he has no equal

[Doliva63]

Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn

I think the best tank in the world, in the field on a remote battle, he has no equal

Are there such fights ?!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Doliva63

are there such fights ?!

Caution, Valentine, do not scare. Strongly reminds Vasya from Samara.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Paranoid50

Quote: Doliva63

are there such fights ?!

Caution, Valentine, do not scare. Strongly reminds Vasya from Samara.

I’m silent, I’m waiting for the continuation

[tralflot1832]

My opinion: Let it be better than 22 fools to drive the ball across the field, and not to modernize each other’s tanks. With a ball, they’re better at it, and we’ll cheer for them.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: tralflot1832

With a ball they get better

Not better:

Football is a game played by 22 people, and Germans always win.
Harry Lineker, English footballer

[tralflot1832]

5 -1 raked Germany in the group stage 2002.4 -1 raked the British in the 1/8 finals of the 2010 black and white. So Harry Lineker is right about something!

[Locksmith]

Well, for current affairs, right now you need to sell them a version of Armat 14-mark2 light GE, so take a steam bath, let them finish building, spend their budget , and we will begin our research further, there is no need to stagnate - people are gaining experience in design bureaus, young people have come up already, we need to build and sell, fighting idiots, ims do not care bells and whistles, the mass drives ...
The decision by which they "dropped" their nuclear industry sector is very hot for the soul, rocket engines = pushed as far as possible with the loss of priority - also in the same topic, norms, let them mix their solution ...

[Doliva63]

"Which of the options the British army will choose in the future is currently unknown. In any case, BAE Systems and Rheinmetall, which created a joint venture for the production of new tanks in 2019, will benefit."
An interesting "competition" is coming out

[Freedim]

We are waiting for biathlon ..

[Ded_Mazay]

Will there be money from the small British for the modernization of the Challengers from Rainmetal? It seems to me that they will buy the most budgetary of the options presented, write a "correct" report on the successful modernization and, on this basis, extend the service life until 2035.

[Clone]

Nah ... the intolerant name of the project, the British will be against it.

[Mavrikiy]

The weapons complex retains the basic elements, but must receive new ones.

How's that?

[Gloomy skeptic]

I was especially pleased with the manual type of loading the gun !!! Have you finally "learned" how to shove shells into a cannon with your hands? Well "well done" !!! I summarize: don't solder like a rusty bucket - at least some sense will be only until the next hole.