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85 years of the People’s Liberation Army of China. What came to?

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On August 1, the People’s Liberation Army of China celebrated its anniversary. Over the years since its foundation 85, it has managed to change several names, take part in several wars and become an indispensable attribute of the modern look of the Middle Kingdom. Modern Chinese Armed Forces Lead history since 1927, since the time of the Nanchang uprising. Then they received the name of the Red Army of the Chinese Communist Party. Over the next nearly twenty years, the Chinese army, together with its country, suffered a number of historical events, such as the war with Japan, etc. In 1946, the Chinese armed forces finally got their modern name, the People’s Liberation Army.


85 years of the People’s Liberation Army of China. What came to?


In recent decades, the Chinese armed forces represent one of the most powerful forces in the Asian region. Ideological differences with neighbors and superpowers that have their own interests in Asia, forced Beijing to actively develop its defense industry and army. It is noteworthy that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) was the main initiator of this development, as well as the masses of other areas, as well as the “helmsman” of the entire economic and political life of the country. As a matter of fact, it is this organization that, thanks to certain advantages of the public approach to work, as well as the enthusiasm of citizens, has become the main guiding and motivating force in the construction of industry, the economy, etc. Of course, Chinese social, political and economic methods often cause complaints from foreign countries. However, China itself continues to pursue its own policies. In particular, the CPC almost directly to date has the leadership of the army.

On the eve of the main celebrations, which took place on the first of August, a solemn reception was held. It was once again noted that the PLA and the CCP are two interrelated "organisms" that complement and help each other. As usual at such events, a lot was said at the reception about the development and modernization of the armed forces and the defense industry. At the same time, one of the speakers, General U Sihua, admitted that the People’s Liberation Army had not yet become the leading armed forces of the world. The defense potential of several countries is now above Chinese. For this reason, the Celestial Empire is forced to continue to improve its army. For example, the military budget for the 2012 year is reportedly more than ten percent higher than in the 2011 year.



China’s plans for the development of its army cause a number of claims. And it is not only immediate neighbors. Most often at the hearing are the words of the representatives of the United States. There are several reasons for discontent of this North American country. First, China intends to expand its presence in Southeast Asia, where the Americans have their own interests. Secondly, in combination with a number of economic features, the strengthening of the PLA is considered to be a rather serious threat for some large countries. Finally, Beijing is often referred to as the so-called. unreliable modes. High-ranking officials openly about this, we have to admit, do not speak, but often this is what is meant. But the Chinese army has several dozen intercontinental ballistic missiles. The range of the most advanced means of delivery of the Dongfeng family makes it possible to strike at any of the NATO countries, not to mention the eastern hemisphere. It is obvious that such weapons will not remain without foreign attention.

As for non-nuclear weapons, the PLA is not the weakest military organization in the world. First of all, it is worth noting human "resources". Currently, more than 2,2 million people are serving in the Chinese army. Because of such a large number of troops, China ranks first in the world in terms of army size. More about 800 thousands are in reserve, and the total mobilization potential of the country (citizens aged from 18 to 49 years) exceeds half a billion. It is unlikely that anyone will be able to with China in terms of the mass character of the armed forces.

The basis of the PLA, like other armies in the world, is the Ground Forces. The overwhelming majority of servicemen - 1,7 million - serve in them. China's ground forces consist of 35 armies, which in turn have 118 infantry, 13 tank, 33 artillery (including air defense) divisions. In addition, 73 divisions of the border troops belong to the PLA. Such a huge number of troops requires an appropriate number of weapons. It is noteworthy that most weapons and China is trying to produce military equipment independently, having developed from scratch, having bought a license or copied foreign samples. Such an approach allows equipping the army with a large number of types of weapons. Only small arms in service consists of more than 40 models. In the warehouses of infantry, motorized infantry, etc. units can be found as licensed Soviet pistols TT-33 (Chinese designation "Type 54"), as well as modern machines of its own design QBZ-95.

PLA Soldiers with QBZ-95 Guns


Type 59 and Type 69


With armored vehicles in the PLA, the situation is similar. In tank units there is a certain number of medium tanks "Type 59-II", which are a deep modernization of the old Soviet T-54 / 55. Shortly before the "Type 59-II" tank was developed "Type 69". It is a direct continuation of the ideology laid down by Soviet tank builders. We have to admit that China is able to make new equipment. So, at the beginning of the two thousandth troops began to receive tanks "Type 99". These machines also are not completely own development of the Middle Kingdom: the project is based on the Soviet T-72. Nevertheless, the characteristics of the newest Chinese tanks are considered quite sufficient for the tasks assigned to them. The last couple of years, rumors have circulated about the work on the new tank, which, allegedly, has no obvious similarities with existing foreign models. If the basis of these conversations are real facts, then China could finally raise its tank building to the level at which it is able to create its own cars from scratch. In total, at the disposal of the PLA there are about 6500 tanks of all types.

The main Chinese infantry fighting vehicle for several decades remains the "Type 86", which is the licensed version of the Soviet BMP-1. During production and service in China, these armored vehicles have been repeatedly upgraded, during which they were equipped with new weapons, communications equipment, etc. According to the directory The Military Balance, in 2010, at least six hundred such vehicles remained in the ranks. Other Chinese BMPs, such as "Type 91" or "Type 97" (mistakenly considered a copy of the Russian BMP-3) are available in much smaller numbers. The total number of infantry fighting vehicles in the PLA does not exceed fifteen hundred. The seemingly insufficient amount of infantry fighting vehicles is to some extent compensated by the armored personnel carriers used. In recent years, there has been an increase in the number of vehicles of this type and at present the Chinese military have 4-5 thousands of armored personnel carriers. The main models of this class of vehicles are tracked “Type 63” and “Type 89”. Despite the resemblance, these armored vehicles are quite distant "relatives".

Type 86


Type 91


Type 97


Type 63


Type 89


The artillery of the People’s Liberation Army has about 18 thousands of weapons. The caliber of the guns ranges from millimeters 100 (“Type 59”) to mm 155 (“Type 88”). Artillery units have their own and foreign weapons. As an example of the latter, Russian-made Nona-SVK self-propelled guns can be cited. In addition, a considerable part of the types of Chinese cannons, howitzers and mortars is based on the development of Soviet designers. In addition to cannon artillery, the Chinese Ground Forces have about two and a half thousand units of multiple launch rocket systems. In some parts, towed launchers "Type 81" caliber 107 millimeters are still preserved. However, the bulk of such weapons has long been owned by self-propelled MLRS. Some of them were purchased abroad or developed independently, taking into account foreign experience. The "crown of creation" of the Chinese MLRS developers are the WS-2 / 3 complexes. The claimed range of rockets of caliber 400 millimeters exceeds 200 km. For this reason, the WS-2 and WS-3 systems have been nicknamed “strategic MLRS”.

Strategic MRLS WS-2


Separately it is worth staying at the so-called. The second artillery building. The name implies that this unit is subordinate to the command of the Ground Forces, but this is not the case. In fact, the Second Artillery Corps is directly subordinate to the Central Military Council of the PRC. The fact is that this corps is in charge of nuclear warheads and the means for their land-based delivery. According to Western intelligence reports, China has 240-250 nuclear warheads, 175-200 of which are on duty. Western intelligence also claims that at present, China has an order of 90-100 intercontinental ballistic missiles. These are Dongfeng missiles: DF-5 and DF-31. In addition, in the arsenals of the Second Artillery Corps there are ballistic missiles of medium and short range. Thus, this military unit is in fact the guarantor of the security of the entire state, implementing the doctrine of nuclear deterrence.



According to the views of the Chinese military command (the military sets of other countries agree with this), the Ground Forces should not go into battle on their own, but with the support of the Air Force. About three hundred thousand people serve in this branch of the Chinese forces, most of which are technical and service personnel. The quantitative and qualitative composition of the PLA Air Force is heterogeneous, there are aircraft designed and assembled with a difference of several decades. As an example of the "old people" often cited Xian H-6 bombers, made on the basis of the Soviet Tu-16. The Chinese Air Force has between 80 and more than 100 such aircraft. The difference in data is due to the fact that some of these bombers are in storage or in reserve. Fighter Park aviation The People’s Liberation Army has a large number: about 1100-1200 units of equipment. The vast majority of Chinese fighters are Chengdu J-7 and Shenyang J-8 aircraft of various modifications. More than seven hundred of these fighter jets are already in operation and about eighty more will be delivered to units in the coming years. In second place in terms of number is the Chengdu J-10 fighter-bomber (at least 250 pieces). Next are the Soviet / Russian Su-27 and Shenyang J-11, as well as the Su-30MKK. In addition, the PLA Air Force has separate aviation units armed with aircraft for attacking ground targets in front-line conditions. These are the Xian JH-7 and Nanchang Q-5 aircraft. Finally, to ensure the reliable operation of its aviation, the Chinese air forces have about ten KJ-200/2000 long-range radar detection and control aircraft.

Xian H-6


Chengdu J-7


Shenyang J-11


Nanchang Q-5


KJ-2000


Shijiazhuang Y-5


The second major part of the PLA Air Force is military transport aviation. At the beginning of 2012, the total number of transport aircraft was estimated at the 350-400 aircraft. The most massive of them - Shijiazhuang Y-5 (licensed copy of An-2) was built in 300 series of machines. In addition, the Chinese Air Force has eight other types of transport and passenger aircraft, in particular Soviet Il-76 and Tu-154. The latter are used for transportation of high authorities.

It is worth noting that Ilyushin machines are used not only for transport purposes. At the time, China received from the Soviet Union eight air tankers IL-78. In addition to them, the Celestial Air Force has a dozen H-6 bombers, converted to the configuration of tankers. The presence of two different aircraft tankers at the same time is due to the peculiarities of in-flight refueling systems. The fact is that all the new technology - fighters and interceptors - refuel through the "hose-cone" system. Outdated H-6 bombers, in turn, use the “wing-wing” method, which was not widely used and was massively used only on Tu-16 / H-6.

The helicopter fleet of the Chinese Air Force includes 11 type vehicles, four of which are combat vehicles. These are Harbin WZ-9, Changde Z-11W, CAIC WZ-10 and Aerospatiale SA 342 Gazelle. The first three are produced or produced in China. However, only the WZ-10 and Gazelle are fully adapted for combat work, and not converted from multi-purpose helicopters. The total number of combat helicopters does not exceed 100-120 units. The fleet of helicopters is several times larger. It is estimated that more than two hundred Mi-8 helicopters in China alone are more than two hundred. Other helicopters are available in smaller quantities. As for the European or American technology, its quantity is insignificant - no more than a couple of tens of all types.

Z-9WA


CAIC WZ-10


Aerospatiale SA 342 Gazelle


For the training of pilots of the PLA Air Force there are a number of specialized training aircraft and helicopters. This aircraft Nanchang CJ-6 (development of the Soviet Yak-18), Hongdu JL-8 and L-15, as well as helicopters Harbin HC-120. The total number of training equipment is within 200-250 units.

The People's Republic of China has one of the most powerful navies in the Asian region. At the same time, it cannot be called completely modern. So, the most massive submarines as part of the PLA Navy are Type 035 diesel-electric ships - at least fifteen units. This project was developed in the USSR in the 50s of the last century and had a numerical designation “633”. For its needs, the Soviet Union collected only two dozen such submarines, and then sold the production license to China. The PLA leadership plans to gradually phase out Type 035 boats fleet. One of the candidates for replacement was the boats of the Soviet project 636 Varshavyanka, of which 12 units were purchased. Further in the plans of the command appeared “Type 039” of a similar purpose, but already made in China. To date, 13 boats have been built. Only nine boats of projects 091 and 093 have the ability to carry nuclear warheads. Moreover, due to their considerable age, some of them are regularly spent on repairs, and therefore not all submarines can carry out simultaneous duty.

Type 035


Shi lang


Type 051


Type 054


In the near future, the Chinese naval forces will be replenished with the first aircraft carrier Shi Lang, the former Soviet "Varyag". In the meantime, the main strike force of the PLA Navy is the destroyers of the projects “Type 51” and “Type 52”, as well as their modifications. The total number of these ships is 25, not counting those that are currently being completed or undergoing tests. Frigates have a slightly lower combat potential, but they win in number - almost fifty of them. These are the ships of the projects "Type 53" and "Type 54". The armament of all destroyers and frigates consists of barreled artillery, anti-aircraft and anti-ship missiles. The list of large warships is closed by the landing craft of the 071 project. Two such BDK are already serving and two more are being built.

For coastal operations, China has a “mosquito fleet” of an 91 missile boat. In addition, during the 037 project, about two hundred patrol boats were built. The total number of combat boats in the Chinese Navy exceeds 300 units. Finally, at the naval bases there are over one and a half hundred landing craft, "classic" and air cushion, mine-sweepers and about 220-230 auxiliary vessels.

In general, the People’s Liberation Army of China is a well-equipped and trained force. At the same time, one of its main problems is a certain technical backwardness. Figuratively speaking, the qualitative aspect of the material part of the PLA looks like a kind of "squeeze" from the Soviet army in the period from the sixties to eighties of the last century. It is obvious that with such equipment now it is hardly possible to claim a leading position in the world. The leadership of the Chinese armed forces, the Communist Party and the state as a whole are well aware of this. The consequence of this understanding is the constant and systematic increase in the country's military budget. Judging by the latest newsconcerning the production of weapons and military equipment, Beijing has begun to implement a rather useful strategy: first of all, money is invested in new projects and programs. It seems that in the very near future the amount of news about the successful completion of the construction of ships, the supply of new aircraft, etc. will increase.

Against the background of the renewal of the material part, a fair question arises: why is all this necessary? One of the most popular versions (for several decades) is the impending landing on Taiwan. However, until now, such an operation has remained at the level of rumors. Recently, the coastal waters of Southeast Asia, as well as some islands at a distance from the Asian coast, have been added to the list of potential theaters of military operations. Yes, and the American bases on the island of Guam have long been a concern of the Chinese leadership. Regardless of the goals, the last years of the 85-year-old People’s Liberation Army of China’s life evoke mixed feelings. Of course, the pace of renewal and the size of the armed forces, at least, command respect. On the other hand, the presence of such a serious army literally at the side of Russia cannot but be disturbed. It remains only to continue updating our army and wait for news regarding the Chinese military plans.


Sources:
http://sipri.org/
http://flot2017.com/
http://eng.mod.gov.cn/
http://sinodefence.com/
The Military Balance 2010 Handbook
Magazines "Foreign Military Review"
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  1. Warik
    Warik 4 August 2012 10: 23 New
    +1
    If Bear and the Dragon created an alliance, it would be very powerful! But something tells me that in the near future this will happen, history will show.
    1. itr
      itr 4 August 2012 10: 56 New
      +2
      This union will not be. I think it is better to be in an alliance with India. China is clearly quieting down
      1. Starksa
        Starksa 4 August 2012 11: 49 New
        +4
        China lacks decisiveness
        1. Barrel
          Barrel 4 August 2012 13: 02 New
          0
          Are you talking about the question with Libya? So I want to remind you that Russia, too, lacked decisiveness.
          1. Starksa
            Starksa 4 August 2012 13: 40 New
            +1
            Did I write something about Libya?
            1. Barrel
              Barrel 4 August 2012 15: 28 New
              0
              What did you mean then? Can the indecisive capture of Tibet? Or hesitantly spoke on about. Damansky against one of the most powerful powers of that time?
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 4 August 2012 14: 54 New
          0
          It is quite enough. The seizure of disputed lands, for example, the training of the army, all speaks of decisiveness.
          1. Plus 36,6
            Plus 36,6 4 August 2012 19: 39 New
            -3
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          2. curious
            curious 8 August 2012 15: 04 New
            +1
            О китайской армии и об их вооружении можно говорить долго, однако пока они себя не покажут в какой-то "локалке", все наши споры будут немного некорректными. Тот-же Вьетнам и КНДР имеют опыта побольше, да и решимости им не занимать
  2. beech
    beech 4 August 2012 10: 37 New
    +8
    there is reason to think, but how many of our units cover the Russian-Chinese border !!
    1. curious
      curious 8 August 2012 15: 05 New
      0
      And this question, most often, remains unanswered unfortunately. We quickly forgotten Damansky
  3. does it
    does it 4 August 2012 11: 02 New
    -5
    as we have with defense and allies, in the event of a Sino-Russian conflict, they really throw us with corpses. like our Germans in WWII.
    1. beech
      beech 4 August 2012 23: 46 New
      +2
      dead bodies we never threw anyone !!!! If there is a mess, the Chinese will throw us with their corpses, and do not forget that this turn of events from the rubric is fantastic - nuclear weapons + 10-15 minutes and know the problems !!!
      1. Zerkalo
        Zerkalo 5 August 2012 09: 14 New
        0
        Yes, half a billion soldiers - it hurts ... How to equip them with something? Shovels?
        1. nekromonger
          nekromonger 5 August 2012 18: 26 New
          -1
          shovel cuttings like Mikhalkov ...
      2. does it
        does it 10 August 2012 01: 54 New
        0
        (If there is a mess, the Chinese will throw us with their corpses, dear! I had this in mind.
  4. 53-Sciborskiy
    53-Sciborskiy 4 August 2012 11: 07 New
    +3
    Китайские ВС пока смирный "дракон", глазеющий в сторону России. Осень кусать хосется.

    All the armies of the world have a secret order: in case of war with China, prisoners should not be taken.
    1. Zynaps
      Zynaps 5 August 2012 04: 14 New
      0
      when I served in the 24th Special Intelligence Brigade near China, in those days when relations after Damansky and Zhalanashkol were not normalized, I don’t remember such a secret order. studied the enemy. objects there, weapons, structure of the army, police and border guards. but to be so harsh ... apparently, this is really some kind of secret order.
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 5 August 2012 15: 38 New
        +2
        So is it a joke like, or not already?
    2. does it
      does it 7 August 2012 13: 44 New
      -1
      (All armies of the world have a secret order: in case of war with China, prisoners should not be taken); but where does such data come from.
  5. pristav
    pristav 4 August 2012 11: 27 New
    +2
    a Chinese ship visited Sevastopol; today it goes to sea (to Syria?). It is similar to type 051. Visited with a tour, photographs: http: //wpristav.ucoz.ru/news/kitajskij_korabl_v_portu_sevastopolja/20
    12-08-02-897
  6. wolverine7778
    wolverine7778 4 August 2012 12: 11 New
    +1
    Китайцы страшные, ждут команду "фас". Не нравится мне это все request
  7. Apollo
    Apollo 4 August 2012 12: 12 New
    +3
    Quote -One of the most popular versions (over several decades) is the upcoming landing in Taiwan.

    Is it only Taiwan ............? It seems to me that it is the sphere of its national interests that China considers all of Southeast Asia, but does not speak about it out loud.
    With a high degree of probability we can say that in the future in this region of the world clash of interests with Japan and the US I do not rule out.

    Quotes from the article-On the other hand, the presence of such a serious army literally at hand near Russia cannot help but bother.

    Trust correctly BUT check.

    Personally, I do not trust China to have its own policies in China (while she is busy building up her strength, it was allocated by me) what, to become the new hegemon in the whole world. China does not stop at achieving economic superiority around the world and when it reaches a military advantage, the development of events will take on a dangerous character.
    So the balanced balance of power in my opinion is the least evil.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 4 August 2012 13: 37 New
      0
      If the United States pops into Southeast Asia, the result would be
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 4 August 2012 13: 44 New
        +1
        If the United States pops into Southeast Asia, the result would be
        1. Odessa
          Odessa 4 August 2012 18: 49 New
          +8
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          1. cc-20
            cc-20 5 August 2012 08: 59 New
            +7
            Ktozh broke their arms and legs, but did not take the machine gun away. In order to activate the grenade (in the form of F-1), you need to press the trigger lever (maybe with your tongue), and then pull out the safety pin, and the surrounding American losers seeing this, from such heroism must fall into a stupor ... but about the machine gun generally super, okay to point, and the trigger (if I’m really dead), if it’s maxim, it’s necessary to submit the tape, it’s not so easy to shoot from it, but the best result is not the dentist’s drill for you. Shitty propaganda with an oral bias, like Indian films.
        2. Zerkalo
          Zerkalo 5 August 2012 09: 35 New
          +2
          What percentages do you think will become critical for the US? How many percent must die for the Yankees to request a truce? 1%, 2%, 3%?
          And how many Chinese are ready to put their lives on the altar of struggle with an external enemy? Yes, if necessary, then tens of millions, it’s another matter that there will not be an attack of war ...
    2. Roman 3671
      Roman 3671 4 August 2012 13: 38 New
      +3
      Taiwan’s main problem now is that it is simply not able to pull the arms race from China, and in recent years, almost all countries have refused to sell weapons to it, not wanting to quarrel with mainland China. The United States is an exception, but even they recently refused to sell them newer F-16s.
      As a result, the Republic of China Air Force in Taiwan now has 140 F-16 early versions, 56 Mirage 2000-5, about 130 own-built F-CK-1 fighters and about 60 F-5E / F + fighter jets, several E-2 Aircraft, etc. .d. In turn, the PLA Air Force, according to recent estimates, has somewhere around 250-270 Su-27SK \ J11 \ J-11B, 100 Su-30MKK \ MK2, about 200 J-10, about 200 JH-7 \ JH-7A, 250 J -8 different modifications, several hundred J-7 and somewhere and a half hundred Q-5 different versions. + AWACS KJ-2000 and KJ-200, H-6 bombers, etc. In addition, the S-300PMU-2 air defense systems deployed by the People's Republic of China on the coast of the strait, in principle, can shoot down Taiwan planes even over part of the island of Taiwan itself. Of course, Taiwan itself is very well covered by air defense, including SAM Patriot PAC-2 \ PAC-3, HAWK and Tien Kung-I \ II own development. Moreover, Beijing cannot concentrate all aviation against Taiwan; other borders must be covered. However, the PRC has a trump card in the form of a large number of ballistic and cruise missiles, which in the event of a war will deliver the first very powerful blow to Taiwanese objects of the Air Force, Air Defense, etc. And Taiwanese garrisons on small islands in the strait will be fired by barrels and rocket artillery.

      In the fleet. Here, firstly, it can be stated that there is practically nothing to wage Taiwan underwater war with. They have 2 out of 4 diesel-electric submarines - these are American submarines built at the end of World War II, so only 2 submarines of the Dutch type Zwaardvis built in the 1980s are combat-ready units. While China has several torpedo nuclear submarines, 12 diesel-electric submarines pr.877EKM and 636 Russian-built, 4-6 latest submarines pr.039A \ B (they are also sometimes called 041) according to the NATO classification Yuan, 16 submarines pr.039 \ G \ G1 Song, a half dozen obsolete type 035.
      Taiwan’s situation with surface forces is much better: there are 4 upgraded American destroyers of the Kidd type, 6 French frigates of the La Fayette type, 8 American frigates of the Oliver Hazard Perry and 8 obsolete frigates of the Knox type, several dozen missile boats of the Kung Hua VI and Hai Ou type and others .d. In turn, the PRC in all three fleets has 26 destroyers: these are 2 pr.052C (4 more under construction), 2 052B, 2 051C, 1 051B, 2 052, 2 Russian pr.956E and 2 956EM and 13 very outdated 051 ( True, some of them were modernized in the 2000s). About 50 frigates: 8 Project 054A (+ 4-5 is being built or tested), 2 054, 10 053H3, 4 053H2G + very obsolete 6 053H1G, 1 053HT-T, 6 053H1 and about a dozen 053H (one of them was actually converted in the gunboat, instead of the old anti-ship missiles, they delivered 5 50-barrel 122 mm MLRS systems). In the region of 80-100 new missile boats pr.022 (and continue to be built), 24 missile corvettes 037-IG and 4-II, well, a large number of small anti-submarine ships, patrol boats, etc. Well, coastal complexes of anti-ship missiles will present a great danger to both fleets, of which there are many in China and Kazakhstan.
      In my opinion, by concentrating all the main forces on the operation, the Chinese Air Force, Navy and Second Artillery can now provide the conditions for launching an assault, but this will take time and the losses will be very large.
      As for the landing itself. The landing party fleet of the PRC is represented by: landing assault helicopter dock-ship pr.071, now 1 in service, one is being tested and another is being built. 25 large landing ships pr.072 \ I \ II, 11 medium landing ships pr.073, 10 medium landing ships pr.074 and somewhere else a dozen 074A, 7 project.079-II, etc. First, the Marines and the amphibious forces of the PLA should seize bridgeheads. In recent years, they have been re-equipped with a family of new amphibious armored vehicles represented by the ZBD05 infantry fighting vehicle, ZTS04 assault self-propelled guns, etc. These machines are now perhaps the most modern means of over-the-air landing in the world, considering that the American EFV project, in my opinion, was closed. Next, the main forces of the PLA are already landing.
      Here I want to say something about the ground forces of Taiwan, they are certainly numerous, but their weapons leave much to be desired. So out of almost 1700 tanks, 700 tanks are absolutely outdated American M41 tanks of the 40-50s. Nearly five hundred more tanks, these are no less old M48. Well, the remaining almost 500 cars are the M60. In Taiwan, of course they were upgraded as much as possible, but the tanks are still very outdated. The main infantry armored vehicle in Taiwan is also the good old M113, well, etc. True, the mountainous-forest landscape of most of Taiwan favors defense, but the main cities are located on the western coast of the island facing China.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 4 August 2012 14: 56 New
        +3
        The US is not therefore refusing to sell. There is a greater factor in the potential transfer of technology to China. They are well aware that Taiwan will enter China very soon - the Hong Kong scheme will work.
        1. Don
          Don 7 August 2012 16: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          They are well aware that Taiwan will enter China very soon - the Hong Kong scheme will work.

          Hardly.
          In 2000, Chen Shui-bian became president of Taiwan, proposing a referendum on island independence. After that, the Chinese leadership, fearing this, began to more and more insistently call for an early resolution of the Taiwan problem.
          On March 14, 2005, the All-China Assembly of People's Representatives (NPC) approved the law "On Countering the Split of the Country." This document provides for the right of the PRC government to apply “non-peaceful or other necessary measures to protect its sovereignty and territorial integrity” in the event of “subversive elements advocating Taiwan independence,” to separate the island “from the Homeland,” or in the case of “important changes that may lead to the separation of Taiwan from the country, or if all conditions for peaceful unification are exhausted. "

          The adopted document, which legislates the possibility of using force to prevent the island from declaring independence, is regarded by observers as an attempt to increase psychological pressure on Taiwan and persuade it to negotiate a peaceful reunion on the conditions of Beijing.

          The United States could not help but react, since the law adopted by the PRC directly contradicts the US Taiwan Security Act, which states the inadmissibility of the use of force in the interest of resolving China’s unity problem. The US reaction, of course, was negative, because under this law the US has an obligation to Taiwan to protect it in case of aggression. At the end of February 2005, anticipating the adoption of this law in the PRC, the United States persuaded Japan to include Taiwan in the zone of common strategic interests of the two countries, which also consist of a bilateral defense alliance. Now, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said that the law will "increase tension in the region." Japan joined her, expressing “serious concern” with the law.

          In response, Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao called on the United States and Japan to refrain from "direct or indirect" interference in the Taiwan problem, which is the "internal affair" of China. Chinese President Hu Jintao called on the army to prepare for war to protect the territorial integrity of China. Meanwhile, NPC approved a new defense budget for 2005, increased by 12,6% compared to last year (up to 247,7 billion yuan - $ 30 billion).
          At the same time, the Russian Foreign Ministry expressed an “understanding of the motives” for the adoption of this law. According to the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry A. Yakovenko, “we believe that in the world there is only one China, of which Taiwan is an integral part. Based on this, we are opposed to Taiwan’s independence in any form, the concepts of “two Chinas” or “one China and one Taiwan” are not acceptable. ”
      2. cc-20
        cc-20 5 August 2012 09: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: Novel 3671
        in recent years, almost all countries have refused to sell weapons to him, not wanting to quarrel with mainland China.

        Оружейники маму продадут если есть выгодный заказ, а тут "друг" КНР, просто у США монополия на поставку оружия на Формозу. Скажем так: Тайвань боится покупать оружие не у США, не желая ссориться...
        Quote: Novel 3671
        So out of almost 1700 tanks, 700 tanks are absolutely outdated American M41 tanks of the 40-50s. Nearly five hundred more tanks, these are no less old M48. Well, the remaining almost 500 cars are the M60.
        Вы не забывайте, что КНР будет вести "десантную" операцию по захвату этого огромного острова, а тут ещё впечатляющее количество бронетехники, а отсталость относительная, поставь навигационное оборудование и бортовой компьютер, да тепловизионные прицелы на "тигр" с "пантерой" и даже сейчас они будут "на уровне".
  8. apro
    apro 4 August 2012 12: 27 New
    +3
    We ourselves had such an army 25 years ago, we were not afraid of anyone. The PRC is a sovereign state and has the right to have its own interests and the ability to defend them, and the army is powerful, but the threats are not weak either. Who was stopping us? now you can’t catch up.
  9. Roman 3671
    Roman 3671 4 August 2012 13: 18 New
    +4
    The second artillery corps is the military formation of the People's Liberation Army of China, armed with nuclear and conventional ballistic missiles, which in fact is the strategic missile forces of the PRC. It consists of six brigades deployed in various regions of China, which are armed with a total of, according to various estimates (officially, data were not disclosed), from 100 to 400 nuclear warheads.
    According to American experts, China has about 240 warheads, of which some 175 are on duty and 65 are in reserve, which puts Chinese nuclear forces in fourth place in the world. The number of personnel of the corps is estimated to be from 90 to 120 thousand people.

    There are also estimates according to which China has a significantly larger number of nuclear arsenal units.
    The following are the assessments of the PRC strategic missile forces of 2010 according to the IISS Military Balance 2010. According to them, the 2nd artillery corps has up to 90 intercontinental ballistic missiles, of which 66 are land-based and 24 sea-launched (SLB JL-2), the number of warheads is not indicated.
    ICBMs
    DF-5A (CSS-4 Mod 2) MBR-20
    DF-31A (CSS-9 Mod 2) Movable ICBM-24
    DF-31 (CSS-9) movable ICBM-12
    DF-4 (CSS-3) ICBM-10
    BRDS
    DF-3A (CSS-2 Mod) BRDS-2
    DF-21C (CSS-5 Mod 3) Movable BRDS-36
    DF-21 (CSS-5) mobile BRDS-80
    BRMD
    DF-15 (CSS-6) mobile BRMD-96
    DF-11A (CSS-7 Mod 2) mobile BRMD-108
    KR for hitting ground targets
    DH-10- 54
    SLBM
    JL-1 BRPL-12
    JL-2 BRPL-24
    estimates from the 2010 report of the US Department of Defense Military Power of the People's Republic of China [6] (eng. Military power of the People's Republic of China)

    Missile Launcher Model
    CSS-2 (Dongfeng-3A) BRDS 5-10 15-20
    CSS-3 (Dongfeng-4) ICBM 10-15 15-20
    CSS-4 (Dongfeng-5A) ICBM 20 20
    Дунфэн-31 МБР <10 <10
    Dongfeng-31A ICBM 10-15 10-15
    CSS-5 (Dongfeng-21) BRDS Mod 1/2 75-85 85-95
    CSS-6 (Dongfeng-15) BRMD 90-110 350-400
    CSS-7 (Dongfeng-11A) BRMD 120-140 700-750
    DH-10 LACM 45-55 200-500
    JL-1 (Juilan-1) SLBM? ?
    JL-2 (Juilan-2) SLBM? ?
    Total 375-459 1395-1829
    Источник:http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-%D0%B9_%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0

    %BB%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BF%D1%

    83%D1%81_(%D0%9D%D0%9E%D0%90%D0%9A)
  10. Apollo
    Apollo 4 August 2012 14: 21 New
    +3
    The conclusions that I have made for myself are based on the following messages


    1: The colossal overpopulation of this country, together with its rapid economic growth, creates a complex set of problems
    2. China is objectively unviable within its current borders.
    3: It cannot do without external expansion to capture resources and territories, such is the reality. You can close your eyes to her, but she will not get away from this.
    4.There is quite a bit of territory and resources, with a lot of local people.
    5. Of course, China prefers a peaceful form of expansion (economic and demographic). But the military is by no means excluded. It is extremely significant that in recent years, the Chinese army has been conducting exercises, and the scale of the exercises (spatial scope and number of troops involved) is constantly growing

    This is all that guards me.
    1. Zynaps
      Zynaps 5 August 2012 04: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Apolon
      The colossal overpopulation of this country, together with its rapid economic growth, creates a complex set of problems


      China’s main problem is if Someone had appeared to process 300-400 million people into fertilizers. then it will be easier for them. So far, the Chinese have successfully coped with population decline. unlike India. moreover, had there not been a demographic problem, there would have been no Chinese economic phenomenon. because demographic pressure is causing intense competition in industry.

      Quote: Apolon
      China is objectively unviable within its current borders.


      Yeah. how many thousands of years are not viable. all does not kick in any way.

      Quote: Apolon
      It cannot do without external expansion to capture resources and territories, such is the reality


      It may well, because considerable capital has been accumulated. with external expansion it is possible to rake in such a way that it does not seem enough. especially if you get a sensitive blow to the southeastern economic regions or if something happens with the giant dam Three Gorges. if it explodes, all lower China will be flooded.

      Quote: Apolon
      There are quite a few territories and resources, while a lot of local people.


      the population is mostly crowded in the southeastern coastal regions. The north of China is sparsely populated. if necessary, you can move closer to the north and even develop industry and agriculture there.

      Quote: Apolon
      Of course, China prefers a peaceful form of expansion (economic and demographic)


      economic mainly. in Russia, so far there is not a single Chinatown. For some reason, more and more educated Chinese are working in Russia. how other countries will fight there - do not care.

      Quote: Apolon
      It is extremely significant that in recent years, the Chinese army has been conducting exercises, and the scale of the exercises (spatial scope and number of troops involved) is constantly growing


      только вот опыта проведения масштабных войсковых операций НОАК не имеет и по-прежнему партизанщину ставит превыше всего. не говоря уже о том, что элитных войск НОАК имеет самый минимум, а большинство военных технологий Китая - уровень 70-х - начала 80-х годов СССР. в ряде технологий - танковые дизели и авиационные двигатели - Китай находится в зависимом положении от импорта. к тому же, поставляемая им современная российская авиация имеет "закладки" в авионике.

      Quote: Apolon
      This is all that guards me.


      I would recommend individual experts to visit China and see it firsthand. so you don’t have to make scary eyes. you just have to be strong and independent yourself - then China will be the one to whom you can turn your back in the bath, leaning over the fallen soap.
    2. M. Peter
      M. Peter 5 August 2012 09: 42 New
      +7
      Do not be frightened by yourself and do not frighten others.
      China actually lives in the south. He does not need any Russian Siberia (if this is discussed?). In terms of resources, it’s quite enough for him to buy from Russia, why conquer, if it is quite possible to buy. Moreover, it is clear that in case of conflict, he will not get the resources. Nobody in the world wants a strengthened China, it will play against him.
      The Russian Federation can quite successfully return China to a state of 40 years ago by striking at industrial sites.
      Yes, and 1,5 billion people are currently not a threat factor. No one is going to fill up the corpses of the enemy. Not those times are simple.
      1. cc-20
        cc-20 5 August 2012 10: 01 New
        +4
        1,5 млрд. - это не фактор угрозы, а главная "ахиллесова пята" Китая, особенно если учесть, что КНР с подавляющим сельским населением не может без импорта обеспечить население продовольствием.
        1. M. Peter
          M. Peter 5 August 2012 13: 57 New
          +4
          Quote: cc-20
          1,5 млрд. - это не фактор угрозы, а главная "ахиллесова пята" Китая, особенно если учесть, что КНР с подавляющим сельским населением не может без импорта обеспечить население продовольствием.

          Support.
          My friend served as a border guard. He told how the Chinese crossed our border in order to catch frogs, since they had nothing to eat. He told me that it was dumb to approach them. It smelled and all ragged and dirty.
          The majority of the population is a mass trying to survive, which sees absolutely no prospects for itself. Such things they can’t even think of. Most live in starvation ... And this is with all the bright and shining cities.
    3. nmd_1
      nmd_1 5 August 2012 12: 39 New
      +2
      People read more! China has just a big demographic problem, but not with the growth of the population, but with the turn with its aging! After several decades, the economy will go into a hole. A plus can be attributed to the shitty environmental situation, in some cities there are already environmental riots. For myself, I came up with one of the scenarios according to which China can collapse without going beyond its current maximum borders, history develops in a spiral, as soon as China gained power, the era of devastation followed.
      1. M. Peter
        M. Peter 5 August 2012 13: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: nmd_1
        People read more! China has just a big demographic problem, but not with the growth of the population, but with the turn with its aging! After several decades, the economy will go into a hole.

        It's like we have now. When are more old than young?
        You do not understand a bit. Not all 1,5 billion are employed in their industry. So on the contrary, population decline will affect them more positively than for us.
        At least later they can finally realize all the slogans about communism and socialism. And then the Communist Party rules, and not pensions, not medicine for the majority of the population as it was not and never is. And we are not even talking about paid ones, these things are simply not at all for the majority of the Chinese population.
        1. nmd_1
          nmd_1 7 August 2012 09: 44 New
          0
          The influx of the rural population into the cities has already decreased markedly, plus the big difference between the number of women and men, girls are simply lacking, especially the mentality when a boy is preferred, and during pregnancy a girl simply has an abortion. About the industry, the stump is clear that not all 1,5 billion. agriculture probably occupies more human resources (I will not argue). Slogans about social. they don’t have and didn’t have a state like ours (except that they overtake and overtake :))), they still have luxury medicine, they treat the turf with banks, and that’s all. Pensions - no, due to which the whole economy was exported, you all noticed it graciously, and now we think logically: the population has decreased, the economy has decreased, money has become smaller, most of the production is developing intensively, manual labor takes 90% of the work there they dream of current, yes there are automated lines, but still manual labor is all. All development of China is an interesting way. Bottom line: reducing the population for China is evil.
    4. curious
      curious 8 August 2012 15: 09 New
      +1
      Полностью согласен с вами, скрытые проблемы у китайцев нарастают, хотя они их усиленно и скрывают, и на мирную экспансию, у них просто может времени не хватить - вал проблем накатывается. Как бы их не пришлось очень быстро "решать" военной силой..
  11. Wolkin
    Wolkin 4 August 2012 17: 45 New
    +1
    http://www.militaryparitet.com/perevodnie/data/ic_perevodnie/2422/
    An article was published on the forum of the Chinese military portal club.mil.news.sina.com.cn, which the author entitled "Russia returns Siberia and the Far East to China, which contributes to Sino-Russian friendship and world peace!"

    At the Chinese military forums, they are seriously discussing the prospects of a "massive tank campaign" to the Far Eastern regions of Russia. It is probably no coincidence that the tests of new tanks and other armored vehicles are mainly carried out in Inner Mongolia, in their climatic conditions as similar as possible to areas of the Far East and Siberia of Russia.

    INDEPENDENT 27.03.2009/XNUMX/XNUMX
    The average flight time of Chinese pilots on modern fighters is 200 hours per year. This is almost the same as in the US Air Force and 4–5 times more than in the Russian Air Force.

    Thanks to deliveries from Russia, the capabilities of China’s ground-based air defense have sharply increased in recent years. Today, China has one regiment (two divisions) of S-300PMU air defense systems, two regiments (four divisions each) of S-300PMU-1, as well as 16 S-300PMU-2 divisions.
  12. Stasi.
    Stasi. 4 August 2012 21: 53 New
    +2
    В советское время нам приходилось держать на китайской границе мощную армейскую группировку. Сейчас такой группировки нет, нынешние ВС РФ в десять раз слабее ВС СССР. Хочу напомнить, что на картах китайских военных наш Дальний Восток отмечен желтым цветом. В китайских учебниках истории все наши дальневосточные земли характеризуются как "временно утраченные территории". В случае полномасштабной войны нам придется очень трудно. Пока что сдерживает Китай лишь техническая отсталость и наличие у России ЯО.
  13. suharev-52
    suharev-52 4 August 2012 23: 18 New
    +3
    Who has been to China and can confirm the information on the construction of 6-lane rocky roads from the coast to the border with Russia ?. Sincerely.
    1. M. Peter
      M. Peter 5 August 2012 09: 44 New
      +5
      I have been. They have and are building good roads.
      In terms of the topic of conversation, I would like to ask a logical question.
      What is Finland preparing for war with Russia? winked
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 5 August 2012 15: 46 New
        0
        And only we are preparing for war with everyone - our roads are worse and at the same time more expensive.
  14. Warik
    Warik 5 August 2012 15: 59 New
    +1
    Meanwhile, joint exercises of Russia and India are being held in Buryatia, tomorrow the article will be released. soldier
    1. M. Peter
      M. Peter 5 August 2012 18: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Warik
      Meanwhile, joint exercises of Russia and India are being held in Buryatia, tomorrow the article will be released.

      Duck that's the thing. smile
      I spent the last days in the country. So they shook it all week. Gone, banged, machine-gun fire round the clock, attack aircraft low, almost over their heads. I spent the night there, thought it was a sinful thing, maybe the war started, what while I am doing cucumbers here, is it time to run to the draft board.
      When I was driving home, I met with a column of armored vehicles.
      smile
      1. Warik
        Warik 5 August 2012 18: 57 New
        +1
        M. Peter, laughing your summer cottage is located in the middle of the landfill
        1. M. Peter
          M. Peter 5 August 2012 19: 30 New
          +2
          Не посреди, а недалеко от него. У нас бригада ВДВ распологается в "Сосновом бору", минигородок такой. Туда ещё с визитом ныне покойный глава КНДР Ким Чен Ир прибывал на стречу с нашем руководством.
          In general, there are a lot of things. Last summer, too, rumbled, there are art. Warehouses, and so the old shells were disposed of.
          But now the couple have especially dispersed. laughing
          Похожее происходило в 2010, когда учения "Восток 2010" проводили. Тоже на сельских дорогах пробки из военой техники были. yes

          http://video.sibnet.ru/video202159-Boevaya_tehnika/
          1. Warik
            Warik 6 August 2012 10: 51 New
            0
            East 2010 is well known to me, served as an conscript then, conditionally repulsed a terrorist attack on warehouses with weapons and ammunition. soldier
  15. M. Peter
    M. Peter 5 August 2012 19: 29 New
    0
    Не посреди, а недалеко от него. У нас бригада ВДВ распологается в "Сосновом бору", минигородок такой. Туда ещё с визитом ныне покойный глава КНДР Ким Чен Ир прибывал на стречу с нашем руководством.
    In general, there are a lot of things. Last summer, too, rumbled, there are art. Warehouses, and so the old shells were disposed of.
    But now the couple have especially dispersed. laughing
  16. sapulid
    sapulid 5 August 2012 20: 27 New
    +4
    Hello, forum users. The dispute over an alliance with China is slightly artificial. Why?
    1. China cannot raise the standard of living of the population due to the loss of a cheap slave. Seeley as the only advantage in the global market. So, due to the large stratification of society, China expects social explosions and civil war.
    2. Due to the policy of one child, a sharp aging of the population will occur in 10-15 years. There is nothing to attract migrants.
    3. Uncontrolled industrial discharges have virtually destroyed nature. This means that China will depend almost entirely on external food supplies.
    4. Water is vital. Almost a third of China is a desert. The remaining water resources, even now, are unsuitable even for irrigation. Means, either purchase or capture again.

    Well, and who needs such a colossus on clay feet? It can and should be used to achieve its goals, not forgetting that for the sake of his business in Europe and America, of which China exists, he will sell his mother.
    1. nmd_1
      nmd_1 8 August 2012 13: 34 New
      0
      I subscribe to each item! I’ll add from myself
      5. China is a monopolist in the market of rare-earth resources (in particular, for microelectronics), which has already begun to use and annoy others with its intransigence, thereby provoking (for example, US and Japanese corporations, others can be thought out) to organize another confusion in order to sell for green pennies their rare earths. Kosnoyazyko wrote, litter, in a hurry.
  17. slava.iwasenko
    slava.iwasenko 9 January 2013 21: 31 New
    0
    For any of us, the Chinese are no longer fighting