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Indian Press: US wants to sell F-21 fighter jet to India as an old rope with several new knots


India discusses promotion of American weapons through overt pressure on the country's authorities. The Tribune has published material stating the need for the Indian Air Force to “be persistent” due to sanctions from the United States.

Indian journalist Rahul Bedi writes that India has long opposed the American “proposal” for F-21 fighters, and this in turn causes additional indignation from Washington.

From the article:

Washington is clearly tired of the Indian opposition to the sale of F-21 fighters. It is possible that for the United States this was an additional reason to threaten India with the CAATSA sanctions package after a contract with Russia on S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems. America’s anger is explained by India’s preference for Triumph Russian air defense systems over American proposals, including Lockheed Martin air defense systems.

Rahul Bedi writes that India prefers military-technical cooperation with "the oldest, largest and most reliable partner, Russia," ignoring the "American capricious law on countering US enemies."

According to the Indian author, the United States wants to sell a modernized version of its F-16 to the Indian market, but there is no reason to just buy it from India:

The American proposal for F-21 can be called an attempt to sell an old rope for a lot of money by tying several new knots on it.

Rahul Bedi writes that F-16 production is phased out in the United States itself, and therefore Washington wants to “squeeze all the juices” out of its project at the expense of the large Indian market.
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  1. Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 11 July 2020 13: 16
    Hindus after shopping T-72BU and Su-27PU become smarter? )))
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 11 July 2020 13: 25
      I doubt that these "comrades" can even grow wiser! The population is more than a Billion ... and there are Smart heads ... but the Country is in such a Pope ... dirt and poverty, which is simply unpleasant to be there. Once flew away, more Similarly, I will not be there. stop
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 11 July 2020 13: 25
      When playing poker with dumb pins, you don’t have to be especially smart to understand, mattresses are bluffing.
  2. boss
    boss 11 July 2020 13: 21
    The dancers have conflicts and tension from different sides, they understand that it’s stupid to switch to another technique with different standards and a complex of services, even for the gypsy approach)
  3. Smolin
    Smolin 11 July 2020 13: 24
    rope, tying several new knots on it.

    Such a rope with several knots was called in the Lineok fleet. It was intended for corporal punishment of sailors.
  4. Poetry
    Poetry 11 July 2020 13: 25
    Such buyers of any seller will bring out of balance.
  5. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 11 July 2020 13: 47
    Native American is a little mistaken)))) on the old rope, only one new new knot - sliding. There is still a small piece of soap, a strong bough and something that I can put on (India)))))
  6. donavi49
    donavi49 11 July 2020 13: 58
    The American proposal for F-21 can be called an attempt to sell an old rope for a lot of money by tying several new knots on it.

    Well, everything is there - AFAR, a new engine, avionics with elements of the 5th generation, a bunch of weapons of destruction in a row.

    If we take the Indian MiG-29SMT and the newest, having no analogues MiG-35 in its current form, then the differences between the old and the new will be much less.

    By the way, the Chinese AFAR already have 4+ serial production machines, I won’t be surprised if they have even been tried in the disputed region. In Pakistan, the JF-17B3 with AFAR is undergoing testing. To buy a plane without AFAR, for India, even from the point of view of prestige and justification for buying it in front of the population, is such an option.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 11 July 2020 19: 46
      It’s like in an old joke, you check or go. What is better AFAR or the average radiation power is twice as much?
    2. 5-9
      5-9 12 July 2020 09: 24
      The couch military made some kind of AFAR fetish .... What's next?
      To think that there should be more than 836 modules in the AFAR? Like ... Bueee is only 640, people in the region will not understand .... Power? What is it and why?
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 12 July 2020 10: 03
        Well, if you compare with the MiG-29/35, then there is generally slotted. HEADLIGHTS were not completed and the Indians did not order it. Only updated on the basis of the Beetle-M (with the same power parameters).

        The base power of the energy and the maximum antenna diameter of the MiG / JF-17 / F-21 are approximately the same. Su has a little more and there’s a little bigger diameter. However, if AFAR is included in Su, it will increase its capabilities with respect to what is already there. Like the F-15 after upgrading to the new AFAR.
        1. 5-9
          5-9 12 July 2020 10: 06
          Pfar Irbis on Su35 covers all the radars of the world like a bull to a sheep ...
          AFAR is good and of course all new radars should be with her, but not an end in itself ..
          If the turkeys order Mig, then they will have Beetle-A.
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 12 July 2020 10: 56
            As for the Irbis, this is very bold. The Su-57 was fencing a new radar. In general, this is the "Star" level - but if you feel good about this faith, then this is the main thing smile .

            Beetle-A - died a long time ago, just after the turkeys said that they do not fit pay for the development. Now the Beetle-MA is on the new planning lines. Rather, as it is, there is still no news about the start of tests on the flight platform. Secrecy or still on stand? Choose for yourself. But this is positioned by the UAC as an export option, first of all, therefore, if they start, then there should be news cars.
  7. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 11 July 2020 14: 02
    The offer is good, the plane is good, the weapons are the most diverse. There are two questions:
    1. The level of localization.
    2. The ability of Americans to impose sanctions against such projects. An example is the Turks and F35.

    The best project is China and J10. Or Pakistan and FT17. And that’s exactly what a mass plane needs to do.
  8. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 11 July 2020 14: 21
    The Americans do not sell the plane, but completely transfer the plant from the USA to the territory of India. And India is becoming a manufacturer of spare parts for the F-16 for the whole world. These are big earnings. Suggestions are not so bad. The F-16 is not the most modern aircraft, of course, but India, and so on, is all in the 3rd - 4th generation.
    And avionics, radar, network communications at the last F-16 Block are at the level of the 5th generation.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 11 July 2020 19: 55
      The offer is good ..... but the example of the Turks speaks of the unreliability of the Americans ....
  9. Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 11 July 2020 14: 24
    And again the same rake.
    The article is taken:
    Prepared in the article:
    And already from there, word for word appears here, with a rope and knots which in the original are simply not there.
  10. Courier
    Courier 11 July 2020 14: 39
    India has two ways

    1. Adopt 120 years of US experience in the aircraft industry with F21.

    2. Make your Tejas, which is weaker than the F 4 Phantom II 50 years ago.
    1. 5-9
      5-9 12 July 2020 09: 27
      Or you can simply order Su30 or Su35 and have neither your own brain nor someone else’s light fighter
  11. Avior
    Avior 11 July 2020 14: 47
    The choice of single-engine fighters in the world is very limited.
    It comes down to two planes actually.
    And the Indians need limited ones for limited conflicts over the border.
    F-21 is perhaps the best choice for them, given that the plant will be in India
    1. Oleg Olkha
      Oleg Olkha 11 July 2020 16: 21
      And they need not a few dozen single-engine machines (which the Swedes will produce indefinitely ...), but hundreds, with mass production, gaining experience. But still, someone believes that they will be "thrown" by transferring 100% of the production to them. power, incl. spare parts. They still "think": extremely ineffective decision-making. The states are not shy about their F-16s and are investing over and over again,, and this unknown "journalist" decided everything for the whole of India ...
    2. Tuzik
      Tuzik 12 July 2020 00: 17
      Quote: Avior
      And Indians need limited-engagement for limited conflicts over the border

      What will twin-engine be bad there?
      1. Avior
        Avior 12 July 2020 05: 45
        Single engine cheaper to maintain and maintain. A lot.
        Moreover, the f-16 engine has a large resource, a maximum of one replacement for the entire life cycle.
  12. Strashila
    Strashila 11 July 2020 15: 30
    F-21 in comparison with others is actually not a bad car, especially considering that it is planned to replace the MIG-21. The question is different, India has before her eyes the examples of the Americans scamming their partners at the most inopportune moment for them. They want to supply components, they want not to supply, they begin to twist their hands in the political aspect, you are not friends with those, only friends with the topic with whom we will resolve.
    1. Avior
      Avior 11 July 2020 16: 41
      They transfer the plant to them and all production and will be on F-16, which is still enough, will depend on the Indians no less than they are on them.
      But the Indians will have a light modern aircraft for a long time and touched the technology to create their own.
      1. Gust
        Gust 11 July 2020 23: 11
        Alas ... the plant is now just a big hangar with a warehouse, do not you know about it. The Indians already know how to dry airplanes with a screwdriver.

        Now, if the Yankees transfer the production of engines, avionics and AFAR there, let them take it without hesitation ..;)) And so the easy movement of the ears - and the Indians have a bunch of aluminum models in 1: 1 scale .....
        1. Avior
          Avior 12 July 2020 05: 56
          Aircraft production - lockheed martin. And you greatly simplify, this is not a car.
          And the fact that you have listed are completely different manufacturers. They will not sell entire plants to them for the release of one model
          Indians have no choice. Of the 2 modern aircraft in the market, the f-21 is undoubtedly the best.
          And, of course, some certain rules of the game must be observed. And the Americans, too, otherwise no one will buy from them.
          Turkey is a special case. Overall not very typical.
          And India has a factory for the production of American helicopters - there are no problems, they are rather worried about the problem of how modern the F-21 is
          1. Gust
            Gust 12 July 2020 11: 30
            The plane will not fly without an engine, it will not see anything without a radar. Even changing elementary hydraulic pumps or voltage converters to another supplier is a whole problem. It will seem to someone that the Indians are not tolerant enough to gays, that's all.
            Americans do not comply with the rules themselves, and still put pressure on others (France, Ukraine, etc.), so Turkey is just a typical case. I think it’s not worth stepping on a rake.
            Helicopter manufacturers are like dirt, there are no problems with replacement at all.
            F-21 is just modern, without any guile, and I think that it is the best in its class. But the Indians suspect something;)))
            1. Avior
              Avior 12 July 2020 14: 31
              The only production site for the Apache helicopter fuselage is the Tata factory in India. The fuselages for the Chinook are also made there.
              Are Americans their own enemies?
              Will they undermine the production of combat helicopters?
              Turkey is full of American weapons, starting with the F-16, no problems with the supply of spare parts, maintenance, weapons and other things.
              The situation with f-35 is the only case of exclusion.
              And the Indians all the time suspect something, for decades, this is their national trait.
              The Americans obviously have nothing to do with this.
              1. Gust
                Gust 12 July 2020 23: 35
                "Plant for the production of fuselages" is organized in any suitable hangar in six months or a year, for another six months, debugging and training / certification of personnel is underway. The Americans have all the complete TD and CD for this, including equipment, slipways, etc.
                Moreover, in the west this is the most common business model - today it is profitable in China, we are launching production there, two years later the conditions changed - and now in Brazil a brand new "auto fuselage plant" is ready, for example. No rocket science, they risk nothing.
                This does NOT apply to such things as radar, engines, etc., there the situation is exactly the opposite. Now, if the Tata plant was the only place to produce the F-100 engine, then you would be absolutely right.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 13 July 2020 00: 00
                  yeah, and Pratt & Whitney will never put the F100 back into production, they only succeeded once.
                  There is nothing irreplaceable.
                  If it were a factory of engines, you would write me a word about engines.
                  but this
                  Turkey is full of American weapons, starting with the F-16, no problems with the supply of spare parts, maintenance, weapons and other things.
                  The situation with f-35 is the only case of exclusion.

                  you modestly lowered.
                  States are fighting for the Indian market, actually.
      2. 5-9
        5-9 12 July 2020 09: 29
        And all 100500 component factories?
        Americans are not a reliable partner, ask the Turks
  13. Glory1
    Glory1 12 July 2020 14: 16
    For those who admire American weapons, I propose to get acquainted with the performance characteristics of the same ammunition. American M18A1 “Claymore” Weight (g): 1600 g, Explosive: C4, radius of the affected area 100 meters and height of the affected area up to 2 meters and Soviet MON-50 Landmine mass - 2 kg, charge mass (PVV-5A) - 0,7 , 50 kg. The range of continuous defeat is 58/100 m. In fact, these are identical mines. But the Americans declare the affected area to be 50 meters, and the USSR XNUMX. Since the USSR specifications were written for soldiers, and not for sale in the United States. And now, if you have a head, think about these American planes!
    P / S I forgot to add that the Russian mon-50 mine has more capabilities than the American (methods of use in barriers).
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  14. tarackanovaleksei
    tarackanovaleksei 12 July 2020 20: 48
    It is necessary to introduce a new international GOLD currency.
  15. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 13 July 2020 01: 50
    eternal war, to whom the grandmothers will fall, formerly the USSR or the USA, and now the enemy is the number one of the PRC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In India, Rahat Lokum seems to be sweeter))))