The deadlines for testing the Ka-52M with the “product 305” rocket became known

State tests of the upgraded Ka-52M combat helicopter with the new long-range product missile 305 missile should be completed by October 2022. This is stated in the materials posted on the public procurement website.

Participation in the state joint tests (GSI) of Ka-52M helicopters in terms of modernization. Refinement of helicopters according to the results of the ICG Deadlines: start - December 1, 2020, end - September 30, 2022

- the document says.

The fact that the arms of the modernized Ka-52M helicopter will include a new aviation cruise missile with a range of up to 100 km, it was reported back in February 2020. In addition, the upgraded helicopter will receive an improved sighting and navigation system, a new cockpit avionics and a new screw group. In addition, the helicopter should receive increased protection, new energy supply systems and target detection (installation of a new radar with AFAR). The new weapons of the helicopter are largely unified with the Mi-28N.

During the modernization, the Ka-52 will receive a new long-range cruise missile “Product 305”, which was previously armed with the Mi-28NM attack helicopter. (...) the new machine will receive an interface unit with this missile, an aircraft launcher for it, a command radio line for using the product

- says the text of the document.

Regarding the “Product 305”, it was previously reported that this guided aircraft missile was tested in Syria as part of the armament of the Mi-28NM helicopter.

According to the June data on the government procurement portal, the National Center for Helicopter Engineering named after Mil and Kamov placed an order for the manufacture and testing of two prototypes of Ka-52M, created on the basis of serial machines. The transfer of cars for flight testing should take place before May 31, 2021.

The Ka-52 Alligator is a new-generation Russian attack and attack helicopter designed to solve a wide range of tasks. Equipped with modern avionics and powerful weapons. Equipped with electronic protection system and devices to reduce visibility.

Comments

[storm]

First of all, we would not forget to upgrade all combatant Ka-52 to Ka-52M while simultaneously launching new machines ..

[Vestovoi]

Quote: assault

First of all, we would not forget to upgrade all combatant Ka-52 to Ka-52M while simultaneously launching new machines ..

I also hope for this .. There is something to rearm the Army and Navy (the latest developments, thanks to the designers of our military-industrial complex) .. But financing. As always lame and stolen

[mdsr]

Quote: Vestovoi

But financing. As always limping and stealing

Kaaak plundered ??? Do you have evidence? If not, then you're just lying. Putin has almost overcome corruption in 20 years. If the thieves still remain, then they are probably agents of the State Department or liberals. It is urgent to report this to zero. He will soak them right in the outhouse. I will never believe that Putin in his circle will keep thieves and traitors. This can never be from a word. He very carefully, according to the methods of the KGB officer, selects his subordinates. Who do not take, some honest patriots. For example, Medvedev, Sechin, Miller, Chemezov, Nabiullina, Kozak, Sobyanin, Rottenberg, etc. I would like to quote the great Pushkin: All are equal, as in selection. With them dad Chernomor

[nPuBaTuP]

Eka warps you ....

[Vestovoi]

Quote: nPuBaTuP

Eka warps you ....

Yes, they scream now and recoup here minuses .. I am pleased!
They began to clean them quietly ..

[-ш-]

what are you talking about, kapets?

[mdsr]

I can’t do that either It all depends on the mood and creative inspiration.

[Mairos]

Directly a whole barrel of poison was poured. And without any meaning.
Sometimes it's better to read than to write.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Vestovoi

But financing. As always limping and stealing

This is our economy "lame" and "plundered." What kind of funding did you want in such an economy?

[Vestovoi]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Quote: Vestovoi

But financing. As always limping and stealing

This is our economy "lame" and "plundered." What kind of funding did you want in such an economy?

Nationalization and border crossing as a large-scale operation and not only in Russia! How do you like that?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Vestovoi

Nationalization and border closure, as a large-scale operation and not only in Russia! How do you like that?

Nationalization of the entire banking system, nationalization of branch-forming enterprises, workers' control over the activities of enterprises and borders, they themselves will block, so that the "infection" does not go further. The USSR started with this. China, Vietnam and several other Asian countries will leave the borders open.

[Vestovoi]

First, stripping should be done by liberians inside the country

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Vestovoi

First, stripping should be done by liberians inside the country

Not. Who will decide who is the liber and who is not?

[Vestovoi]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Quote: Vestovoi

First, stripping should be done by liberians inside the country

Not. Who will decide who is the liber and who is not?

During interrogations and here on the site ..)))))
Everyone already knows everyone .. What's new?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Vestovoi

During interrogations and here on the site ..)))))
Everyone already knows everyone .. What's new?

I think that the same Zyablitsev, no less than me, is a patriot of our country, why should we class him among the liberals? Yes, he thinks differently, time will judge who is right. There is such a thing as "democratic centralism", you just have to use it.

[rocket757]

Different paths are the development of weapons strike systems.
Someone focuses on Dronov, we have traditional weapons systems that arm like a missile carrier ....
Different concepts, but in the field of counteracting the enemy’s existing strike systems, should not be left behind.
It is not worth planning to be the first to drive their "tanks" to enemy airfields before they raise all their flying pack into the air.
A comprehensive solution to problems and all kinds of challenges. The only way.

[Alex777]

It seems to me that the "product 305" is an aviation version of the long-awaited Hermes!
If so, then another very promising topic is close to implementation.

[rocket757]

The trend however. Withdraw their rocket carrier under enemy air defense strike, strike from afar. Fine.

[Alex777]

Especially for marine helicopters.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Alex777

It seems to me that the "product 305" is an aviation version of the long-awaited Hermes!

No. This is an "airplane" missile adapted for the Mi-28 helicopter. She has a multi-channel seeker. And there will be no 100 km range. At this distance, the helicopter will not be able to aim. Even with a radar, it has a target recognition range of about 20 km.

[5-9]

Why would a helicopter detect a target on its own to launch this rocket?

[abc_alex]

Quote: 5-9

Why would a helicopter detect a target on its own to launch this rocket?

This is included in the definition of "attack helicopter".

[5-9]

Once again, why would a helicopter independently detect targets at a distance of 100 km ???? This and the aircraft are not particularly involved ...

[Alex777]

A helicopter will not be able to aim at such a distance. He even has a radar target recognition range of about 20 km.

Below I have placed links to the Zhuk-A radar for the K-52K and Rezets radar with AFAR.
These can go much further than 20 km.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Alex777

Below I have placed links to the Zhuk-A radar for the K-52K and Rezets radar with AFAR.
These can go much further than 20 km.

Let's go like this: while the installation of new radars is planned only on the ship version of the Ka-52K. And it is planned. And it is for naval needs that maximum detection distances of 200 km are given. These are "bridge" or "destroyer" targets. But for ground targets, the detection range of a group of tanks is 30 km. A single tank, I think, is just over 20. And for an attack helicopter, such goals are the main ones.

[Alex777]

Let’s do this: while the installation of new radars is planned only on the ship version of the Ka-52K.

As far as I understand:
1. Beetle-A will be put on the ship version of the Ka-52K (and on the MiG-35).
2. "Cutter" is being developed for the "land" K-52M and for the Mi-28NM.

[Zaurbek]

And how will the helicopter find the target? If the range of the rocket is up to 100km. The locator overlooks there up to 20 km, this is in ideal conditions.

[Grazdanin]

By external target designation. And the main question is why this is needed.

[Orange bigg]

In order not to spend expensive CDs, but to perform tasks with cheaper missiles, if there is such an opportunity. Use the potential of helicopters to the fullest. The same Ka-52 can use the X-35U.

[Zaurbek]

Isn’t it easier to use an airplane for this? Helicopters are based not far from the front line ....

[Orange bigg]

Is it harder to use helicopters for this? For what purpose helicopters are purchased. To perform certain functions and the wider these functions, the more opportunities, the better. Airplanes can also be used, but there’s enough work for airplanes, besides airplanes are more expensive and their time is more expensive.

[Zaurbek]

Compare prices for helicopters and planes ....

[Orange bigg]

Airplanes are understandably more expensive.

[Zaurbek]

Well, not much ... Ka52 and Mi28 are far from Mi24. And the plane can take 6-8 pieces. And apply at maximum range from a height. X59, too, not from a good life hitched to a helicopter.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Zaurbek

Isn’t it easier to use an airplane for this? .

As long as you can wait for this plane! Either the airfields are far away, the runway is too short! That, TVD ,, is too stuffed with anti-aircraft air defense means, then ,, the game is not worth the candle "(the goal is that it is expensive to send Tu-160 ...!), Then the planes are all snatched up ....!

Quote: Zaurbek

Helicopters are based not far from the front line ....

So, in this, maybe their charm! Efficiency of application, response! The bosses are different (!) ... VKS-planes ... army-helicopters ... less red tape! For a helicopter, it’s not shameful to fly out with a single product 305 ... but for a Su-34. ? What do you really choose !? Take what they give!

[loki565]

Isn’t it easier to use an airplane for this? Helicopters are based not far from the front line ....

This is most likely for future helicopter carriers, plus it can be used from all corvettes, destroyers, etc. who has a helipad. Maybe Egypt will buy, for its Mistral

[Alex777]

Helicopters are based not far from the front line ....

And helicopters are based on helicopter carriers.
Or at the UDC, or aircraft carriers - choose an option.

[alexmach]

And the main question is why is this needed

What is it? Long-range missiles? Yes, of course, we do not need them, let's continue to use Attacks and Assaults when entering even the MANPADS in the coverage area.
And about 100 km, so the information is not accurate, at first they talked about 25 km. 100 km most likely later "copied" from some other sources.

[Grazdanin]

In a series of go, we'll see. While NARS are our everything.

[Orange bigg]

And about 100 km, so the information is not a fact that is accurate, at first they talked about 25 km.

So these are journalists. Product 305 and Hermes-A are not the same thing. And they all mixed in a heap.

[alexmach]

Well, as far as I understand, they are 100 km away from Hermes-K :)

[Alex777]

So Hermes had two ranges and promised: ~ 20 km and ~ 100 km.
Only not Hermes-K, but rather Hermes-A.
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201707231150-gsxf.htm

[sivuch]

Assume Attack is no longer MANPADS. But the range of more than 10 km still needs to be able to implement. No, when the opponents of the Libyan gopot on carts, then no problem, but if the enemy is able to disguise himself and has serious medium-range air defense, then there will be problems. The very first question is - at what height should the rotorcenter climb to find the SC at a distance of at least 25 km

[alexmach]

if the enemy is able to camouflage and has a serious average air defense

Well put it like that. But is it really easier to implement an attack or NUR in this situation?

I believe that such a range of use of weapons already implies some kind of external target designation, at least as an option.

[sivuch]

There is nothing to say about NURs.
The attack is also not an ice - it is necessary to Shot-scored, like the second Helfire. But whether it is necessary to increase the range in excess of 8-10 km - in my opinion the issue is controversial, depends on the application

[loki565]

So they wrote

installation of a new radar with AFAR

Although it is doubtful, we have a rarity of AFAR on airplanes, but here a helicopter, well, let's see)))

[Zaurbek]

I was also surprised. AFAR announced on the upgraded Mi24P. A sample was even presented.

[Alex777]

The ship modification of the Ka-52K "Katran" has even more powerful missile armament and radar equipment - the target detection range of the "Zhuk-A" radar is up to 200 km.

https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2020/03/05/629397.html

The new Rezets radar received a fixed active phased antenna array with 640 transceiver modules. The mass of the radar is 130 kilograms, 10 kilograms less than the "Crossbow". A radar station can detect targets such as a bridge at ranges of up to 100 kilometers, a destroyer class ship at ranges of up to 150 kilometers, and air targets at ranges of up to 50 kilometers.

https://russia-made.ru/army/rossijskij-vertoljot-alligator-poluchit-dalnobojnyj-radar/

[Zaurbek]

Apparently, under the helicopter

[Alex777]

Weapons will not be cheap (including both missiles and guidance systems), but the fleet will be 1000% justified.

[post]

Up to 20 km can be visually observed. The radar must see further.

[abc_alex]

Quote: forpost

Up to 20 km can be visually observed. The radar must see further.

Are you seriously? Well, try it. :)

[post]

520 tees on board for what?

[abc_alex]

Quote: forpost

520 tees on board for what?

To see something in 8-10 kilometers.

[post]

With an observer height of only 25 m, the visible horizon is 19 km without any instruments

[Karaul73]

Quote: Grazdanin

By external target designation. And the main question is why this is needed.

If the cat has nothing to do, then he ... licks. So it is here. It would be better to work on guided weapons with a range of up to 20 km. There would be more sense.

[Grazdanin]

That's right. At least they made an analog of Hellfire 2. Hanging in the air for half a minute to hit a target is wildness nowadays.

[alexmach]

So in the very first message about this "product" it was about something like that. No specific details. And 100 km, in my opinion, from the characteristics of "Hermes-A", with which this rocket was immediately identified and "copied".

[Alex777]

Under different radars on different carriers there will be different range of missiles. IMHO.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Grazdanin

That's right. At least they made an analog of Hellfire 2. Hanging in the air for half a minute to hit a target is wildness nowadays.

80% of the range of the rocket in this article is rubbish. Product 305 is a missile with a combined multi-channel seeker based on an airplane. Launch range of about 20 km.

[5-9]

What are half a minute? We have ATGM supersonic.
And forget about "hanging" altogether, this concept was buried near Karbala and the Americans themselves abandoned it.

[Orange bigg]

So we’ve done it already. Hermes-A is called.

The company's stand at MAKS-2017 contained fairly detailed information on Hermes-A. The complex can be installed on combat training aircraft Yak-130 (samples numbered 01 and 59 were displayed on a static platform, and sides 02 and 134 took part in the flight program) and attack aircraft Su-25TM (Su-39). True, only the “Yaks” are in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces, while the “drying” of these models were built piece by piece, passed the tests, but were not mass-produced. In addition, it is possible to install Hermes-A on a modernized Mi-35 helicopter (although the modified Mi-24P is easily recognized on the KBP used as an illustration of a photograph). And the main carrier of the Hermes-A should be the Ka-52, and this helicopter can carry up to 16 missiles on the external sling.

An important feature of the rocket is the maximum firing range increased to 15 km, which seriously distinguishes it for the better from the “Attacks” (6 km) and “Whirlwind” (8 km) widely used in Syria. And this is while maintaining a high supersonic flight speed (acceleration to 1000 m / s).

https://m.tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201707231150-gsxf.htm

[Grazdanin]

If the performance characteristics are true, then a very good rocket. Only since 2017 there is no news, especially information about mass production.

[Orange bigg]

Information from the KB site.

Main characteristics
Maximum range
day and night firing .............
15-20 km
Guidance system
at the exit site
to the target area ................................ inertial or
radio command
on the final site ................. homing
Ammunition
guided missiles ......................
up to 16 pcs.

http://www.kbptula.ru/index.php/ru/razrabotki-kbp/mezhvidovye-raketnye-kompleksy/germes-a

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Sentry73

Quote: Grazdanin

By external target designation. And the main question is why this is needed.

.

Forget that the UAV is in trend nonche! Why not "take as a basis" and such a "bunch": "attack helicopter-reconnaissance / target designating UAV."? By the way, a product with a range of up to 20-25 km was also tested in Syria. !

[Vestovoi]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Quote: Sentry73

Quote: Grazdanin

By external target designation. And the main question is why this is needed.

.

Forget that the UAV is in trend nonche! Why not "take as a basis" and such a "bunch": "attack helicopter-reconnaissance / target designating UAV."? By the way, a product with a range of up to 20-25 km was also tested in Syria. !

Write in a personal with documentation First to me!

[Grazdanin]

Due to the huge number of spaces, punctuation marks and quotation marks, it is impossible to read you. An UAV can target anyone. The platform is not important here. About 100 km, most likely erroneous information; for a helicopter, a missile with a range of more than 20-25 km is redundant.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Grazdanin

An UAV can target anyone. The platform is not important here. About 100 km, most likely erroneous information; for a helicopter, a missile with a range of more than 20-25 km is redundant.

This "erroneous information" has been wandering from site to site for a very decent time! Haven't you noticed it yet? Along with this, another product with a range of 20-25 km has appeared for a long time. !

[alex aircraft]

They merged 2 design bureaus into one. The Union had more competition. Everyone put forward their ideas and concepts. (Optimization of it) Something they don’t want to optimize the State Duma, Federation Council and ap.

[Pandiurin]

"... a new aviation cruise missile with a range of up to 100 km ..."

It is not very winged, the rudders are simply developed (large).

About 100 km which actually 25 have already written here.

Well, air-to-ground, too, is not entirely accurate, also surface targets, according to some sources, and airborne maneuvering targets.

In the final section, he can make a slide against air defense, for an attack from above into a "funnel".

[lvov_aleksey]

I'm talking about the fact that they could not repeat abroad