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New roads: Russia solves one of its main problems

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The unsatisfactory condition of the roads is called one of the long-standing ills of Russia. Meanwhile, one cannot but admit that in recent years old roads and bridges have been actively repaired and new ones are being built. What is road construction in Russia today?


The construction of new roads is an undoubted success of modern Russia


First of all, it should be noted that although many Russian roads are still far from perfect, the situation is gradually changing. So, as of 2000, there were 365 km of expressways, including the Moscow Ring Road and the Moscow-Tula and Moscow-Volokolamsk highways. The construction of new roads intensified after Vladimir Putin came to power: rising oil prices contributed to an increase in the amount of money in the federal budget, which was directed, inter alia, to improving the country's road infrastructure.

During 2000-2018 the number of expressways in Russia increased by 2050 km, that is, 6 times. The construction of an important highway connecting Chita and Khabarovsk was completed. Thanks to the completion of this construction, the east and west of the country were first connected by modern highways. Then a national road development plan was adopted: until 2024, it is planned to attract up to $ 100 billion of investments.

The construction of the M-11 Moscow-St. Petersburg highway was completed, which, without exaggeration, can be called one of the most technologically advanced Russian roads. In the foreseeable future, a ring road should be built around St. Petersburg, deepening into the territory of the Leningrad Region and having a length of 122 km.

By 2018, it was possible to modernize 746 kilometers of the strategically important M-4 Don highway. The total length of the road is 1542 km from Moscow to Novorossiysk, 796 kilometers should be modernized in the coming years. The importance of this highway increased significantly after the entry of Crimea into the Russian Federation.

From Crimea to China: where new roads have been built and are under construction in recent years


In December 2018, the Crimean Tavrida Expressway was opened. This road leaves the Crimean bridge across the Kerch Strait deep into the Crimean Peninsula, connecting the east and southwest of the peninsula. The branch of the road should connect Simferopol with Evpatoria and Mirny.


Tauris

A four-lane highway “Meridian” is under construction, which should connect the Smolensk region on the border with Belarus with the Orenburg region on the border with Kazakhstan. The length of the road is 2000 km, and its construction fits into the framework of the concept of developing economic ties in the Eurasian space and is beneficial not only to Russia, but also to other countries - Belarus, Kazakhstan, China.

Experts attribute the construction of the road to the development of the regions through which it will pass. These regions, such as the Tambov, Lipetsk, Kursk, Bryansk regions, etc., do not have high rates of economic development and the emergence of a highway of this level will be an excellent way to increase the well-being of these regions. After all, the motorway is new service jobs, prospects for the development of small businesses in the field of gas station, repair service, catering, hostels and motels.


Construction of the bypass of Usolye-Sibirsky in the Irkutsk region

By 2023, it is planned to complete the construction of a expressway linking Moscow and Kazan. This road will also be of great strategic importance to the country.

A separate topic is the construction of bridges. The most impressive successes of recent years: the commissioning of the Crimean bridge across the Kerch Strait, the Expressway on the Protective Dam of St. Petersburg, the bridge across the Amur Bay in Vladivostok, the Academic Bridge over the Angara in Irkutsk, etc.

Most importantly, Russia is moving from the creation of highways and bridges of federal significance such as the Crimean Bridge to the improvement of local road infrastructure. The national road development plan provides for the modernization of secondary highways, including in cities and rural areas. After all, it is these, local roads, that ultimately form the face of the country in the eyes of ordinary citizens and foreign guests.

Of course, much remains to be done in the field of road construction in our country. However, the successes already achieved cannot be denied. Deficiencies and shortcomings are present everywhere, but the scale of road construction in recent years is impressive. The emergence of new roads is becoming a big plus for the Russian economy, both on the scale of the country as a whole and at the regional level.
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  1. Lebed
    Lebed 10 July 2020 09: 19 New
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    With our length, roads certainly are a weak point. In recent years, really great changes. keep it up good
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 10 July 2020 09: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Lebed
      keep it up

      If they keep it that way, then all roads will be paid. wink
      For recently, mainly paid sections of the track are being built
      1. Lebed
        Lebed 10 July 2020 09: 30 New
        31
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        If they keep it that way, then all roads will be paid

        Well, you're already exaggerating. Now I am in N. Novgorod, there are many roads / interchanges of federal significance being built here - not a single toll.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 10 July 2020 09: 37 New
          16
          Road construction is the most closed and corrupt industry, unfortunately.
          Only the Competition and the work of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, the Prosecutor's Office - at least somehow can change the situation. Moreover, even in the days of the USSR, huge fortunes were made on the “roads”!
          By the way, there is a positive example ... Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan - the Chinese were allowed into the road construction. Roads have become cheaper and better.
          1. Lebed
            Lebed 10 July 2020 09: 40 New
            14
            Quote: Hunter 2
            Road construction is the most closed and corrupt industry, unfortunately.
            Only Competition and the work of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, the Prosecutor’s Office - can somehow change the situation

            I agree, complementary in any industry is complete. The work is endless.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 10 July 2020 10: 04 New
            11
            Quote: Hunter 2
            Road construction is the most closed and corrupt industry, unfortunately.

            Burying money in the ground is easier and safer than selling weed.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 10 July 2020 10: 45 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              Burying money in the ground is easier and safer than selling weed.

              Yes, my friend you will not please. Do not build - bad. Building is bad. laughing
              1. snucerist
                snucerist 10 July 2020 11: 06 New
                10
                Building is good, who argues?
                A bit annoying is the ambiguity of the headline - "Russia solves one of its main problems." In this case, with the roads.
                But what, the second eternal Russian problem has already been solved, are there no fools left? Maybe you need to solve this problem first?
                1. Prisoner
                  Prisoner 11 July 2020 13: 20 New
                  +1
                  laughing Aren't you afraid?
              2. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 10 July 2020 11: 29 New
                +2
                Quote: Boris55
                Yes, my friend you will not please.

                As the brothers say, "Your Oksana has become so picky."
              3. Prisoner
                Prisoner 11 July 2020 13: 17 New
                -1
                There is a certain type of people for whom the worse the better. Who are they? This is a great mystery. laughing Although what a secret! Or people who were unhappy that they were born, unhappy that they were living and unhappy that they had to die, or the Balts, or Ukrainians, or Georgians. Wah, what assortment! laughing
            2. NIKN
              NIKN 10 July 2020 10: 51 New
              0
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Burying money in the ground is easier and safer than selling weed.

              There is 25 again. There are 2 problems in Russia ... and roads. So they began to deal with the second problem, but without solving the first problem, the second apparently cannot be solved humanly. As you rightly said, this is money partially in the ground, partially in the pockets, and the roads will not get much better.
              1. Plate
                Plate 12 July 2020 11: 37 New
                +1
                So they began to deal with the second problem, but without solving the first problem, the second apparently cannot be solved humanly.

                So, without solving the second problem, the first cannot be solved, agree.
                1. SanSanych Gusev
                  SanSanych Gusev 14 July 2020 16: 06 New
                  +1
                  The first problem will ride on the second
                  1. Plate
                    Plate 14 July 2020 19: 12 New
                    +1
                    And the second to produce the first.
          3. kin
            kin 10 July 2020 10: 27 New
            +9
            Maybe positive in Kazakhstan, there are practically none. So local sites. Since 2012, Astana – Pavlodar has been building 500 km. Three billion tenge was stolen. Last year, with a relative from Novosibirsk, we went to Chongzhu, he swore for a long time.
          4. sagitch
            sagitch 10 July 2020 12: 04 New
            +3
            Many road construction companies were in private hands. Private traders do not want to invest heavily in the formation of the base. He needs profit now, right away. Technique in a deplorable state. (We have a Gazelle with a mileage of 1 million 300 thousand km, skating rinks from the 80s, cars based on Zil still work). For the maintenance of roads and bridge structures, funds are allocated at times less than what is required. Affect the quality of maintenance of existing roads and low salaries of road workers, constant processing. In the summer building season, for a month only 1-2 days off. Processing is paid for the year in the amount of 120 hours. People gain so much per month (in the summer), but you can’t show this. Someone is ready to process, if only they paid, but they didn’t act ..
          5. cradle
            cradle 17 July 2020 04: 42 New
            0
            this can not be called a positive example: money is lost on salaries to foreigners, competencies ... and who said that there will be no corruption at all in this case?
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 10 July 2020 10: 05 New
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          Quote: Lebed
          Well, you are already exaggerating

          A bridge over the Volga is being built in Tolyatti to unload the M5 through the hydroelectric power station. The fare will be paid. In addition, it is almost impossible to drive south, stopping at the payers. request
        3. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 12 July 2020 07: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: Lebed
          Well, you're already exaggerating. Now I am in N. Novgorod,

          And I am in Siberia in the Omsk region, roads are also being built here, but for some reason, only Armenians! if the article is about jobs, why aren't they for Russians ???
          1. cradle
            cradle 17 July 2020 04: 44 New
            0
            because the Armenians win the tender.
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 17 July 2020 10: 50 New
              0
              Quote: besik
              because the Armenians win the tender.

              In general, I am not against Armenians if they are citizens of Russia. But no! I spoke, they are from Armenia, the whole village.
              1. cradle
                cradle 18 July 2020 02: 01 New
                0
                I’ll say more ... in Yakutia, the same garbage ... but this is a matter of competition ... If the Armenians agree to work for such money for which the Russian, or the Yakut will not be ... Well, you can restrict entry, of course ...
      2. svp67
        svp67 10 July 2020 09: 40 New
        +8
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        For recently, mainly paid sections of the track are being built

        Well, apparently everyone has their own ... In the Sverdlovsk region, they are building and repairing a lot and so far there are no paid sites ...
      3. Prisoner
        Prisoner 10 July 2020 10: 06 New
        +5
        And are there any statistics? Can I see the share of toll and non-toll roads? Data for 2016 says so. hi
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 10 July 2020 10: 11 New
          12
          I recommend a ride south in my car. 20% of the cost of travel will be paid for toll areas. This is despite the fact that the transport tax is taken from us twice.
          1. Hwostatij
            Hwostatij 10 July 2020 11: 54 New
            -11
            Given the economy of gasoline and time, less depreciation of the car in the end it is still cheaper. Those who really want to try to save are understudies for every paid site available.
            1. Roman123567
              Roman123567 13 July 2020 14: 11 New
              +3
              Given the economy of gasoline and time, less depreciation of the car in the end it is still cheaper.

              From Voronezh to Moscow and drive back - two rubles only goes for payment points !!
              Is this "cheaper" ??
              And about saving gasoline is not necessary .. it is so expensive just because of the taxes in its price .. That is, filling this expensive gasoline, we already pay a lot ..
              And then suddenly, we are offered to "save" ..))
          2. Prisoner
            Prisoner 10 July 2020 13: 41 New
            -2
            Did I say that I need recommendations? I wanted to find out if you have fresh statistics on the share of toll roads or not. Just.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 11 July 2020 09: 23 New
              +3
              The best statistics (the most honest) is personal experience.
              1. Prisoner
                Prisoner 11 July 2020 10: 39 New
                0
                You have to understand, they blurted out from the bulldozer about toll and free roads and got into a mess. Well it happens. hi
        2. Alexga
          Alexga 10 July 2020 11: 17 New
          +6
          Belarus has a large percentage of toll roads, but the fundamental difference is that for passenger vehicles in the CU countries, travel is free of charge. repeat
        3. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 11 July 2020 20: 22 New
          0
          And how is this manipulation of statistics better?
      4. WIKI
        WIKI 10 July 2020 10: 21 New
        12
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        If they keep it that way, then all roads will be paid.

        On Friday, July 3, a meeting of the Investment Coordination Council was held at the Ministry of Transport, dedicated to where to find money for large-scale construction projects provided for by May decrees of Vladimir Putin.
        The Comprehensive Plan for the Modernization and Expansion of the Main Infrastructure is the most expensive and the most underfunded of the Kremlin’s national projects. It requires expenditures of 1,055 trillion rubles this year, 1,239 trillion in the next and 1,543 trillion in 2022. At the same time, less than a third of the required amount has been provided with federal budget money - 321,7 billion rubles this year; 386,9 billion - in the next and 670,4 billion - in another year. "The Ministry of Transport plans to" borrow "not enough funds from the population for the construction of roads, in the form of bonds. This means that 2/3 of the planned construction will be paid. Only it’s not clear where those + 2% VAT are, which, as explained to us, to finance economic growth, that is, large-scale projects? Projects! Au! If building roads that are in demand are not projects for boosting the economy, then in reality there are projects this very rise?
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 10 July 2020 10: 40 New
          +6
          there is always little money - like snow in winter
          Kudrin and Co. are right in their squeeze - that’s the coronovirus and huge payments were easy, but you don’t have to have the money yourself. MAIN --- --- TRAIN THE POPULATION TO A SPECIFIC LEVEL OF INCOME-EXPENDITURE AND THE JOY WILL BE FROM ..... EQUIPMENT RUB
          1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
            GELEZNII_KAPUT 11 July 2020 19: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: antivirus
            there is always little money - like snow in winter
            Kudrin and Co. are right in their squeeze - that’s the coronovirus and huge payments were easy, but you don’t have to have the money yourself. MAIN --- --- TRAIN THE POPULATION TO A SPECIFIC LEVEL OF INCOME-EXPENDITURE AND THE JOY WILL BE FROM ..... EQUIPMENT RUB

            Money set aside for a rainy day, do only one thing, bring it closer! hi
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 10 July 2020 17: 14 New
          -2
          And in Russia, what except spending on roads there are no other programs? What are these 2% VAT for you - they give the budget a maximum of 700 billion rubles a year, and the budget expenditures under the May decrees until 2024 of the year 13 trillion attract the remaining 13 trillion in the form of private investment.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 10 July 2020 21: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            And in Russia, what except spending on roads there are no other programs?

            Expenditures on national projects for six months amounted to 35,1% of the planned level. This is exactly what is budgeted. What the companies promised was unlikely to be implemented, at least this year.
          2. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 11 July 2020 20: 24 New
            -1
            Quote: Vadim237
            they give the budget 700 billion rubles a year maximum

            And the truth is a trifle. Can I get just a little from this amount? Just one billion, that's enough for me. laughing
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 14 July 2020 19: 40 New
              0
              And you will forgive me for participating in one of the state programs - to give you a billionaire with this money. And yes, 700 billion nationwide is a trifle depreciation of all fixed assets in Russia by 89 trillion rubles.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 18 July 2020 17: 30 New
                0
                Quote: Vadim237
                And you forgive you in some of the state programs - what would you give a billion from this money.

                Will not forgive. I’m just for not participating. laughing And believe me, this is a very good option. I will manage the country much cheaper than some governor, mayor or a sudden colonel bribe embezzler.
            2. cradle
              cradle 17 July 2020 04: 47 New
              -2
              no work
      5. qQQQ
        qQQQ 10 July 2020 11: 39 New
        -5
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        If they keep it that way, then all roads will be paid.

        I travel constantly for paid, let them be better than free, but as it was. Give more for car repairs than for tolls.
      6. Odessa Greek
        Odessa Greek 10 July 2020 12: 23 New
        0
        The outright lie of the troll ...
    2. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 10 July 2020 09: 42 New
      19
      With our length, roads certainly are a weak point. In recent years, really great changes. keep it up
      During 2000-2018 the number of expressways in Russia increased by 2050 km, that is, 6 times.
      2050 is divided by 18 years. It turns out 113,8 km per year! We divide 113 km into 12 months, we get 9-9,5 km per month! The Chinese are doing 750 meters per hour! Catch up with China? And look at the roads of residence? The private sector is all without asphalt! Intra-quarter driveways are all in the pits! For the fourth year in our country, two kilometers are removed by frees and a new one is laid. On one street, one kilometer changed asphalt and made sidewalks for two years. Is this a tremendous pace? Or thanks to these kind-hearted people who do at least two kilometers a year !? But could you do nothing at all !? winked Watch videos on the pace of construction in China. Are there similar ones in Russia? We surpassed the pace of China? Is patching with red brick and old asphalt also included in the km of road construction? Put a song of the Bremen Town Musicians - Any roads are for us!
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 10 July 2020 12: 14 New
        -7
        wrong numbers, typo from the author
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 10 July 2020 17: 23 New
        -1
        We are considering the motorway. not ordinary asphalt and dirt roads. And the latter has become more. “From December 31, 2000 to December 31, 2013, the length of public roads in Russia increased from 584 thousand km to 1 million 396 thousand km (an increase of 139%). The length of paved roads increased by 85%: from 532 thousand km to 984 thousand km. In accordance with the Transport Strategy of Russia until 2030, the total length of the road network of Russian roads with the innovative development of the Russian economy should reach 1,7 million km, an increase of 54% "
        In 2018, the length of public roads was 1530000 kilometers, and with full confidence it can be argued that in the 2030th there will be more than 2 million kilometers.
      3. m077ea
        m077ea 13 July 2020 09: 18 New
        +2
        You are not right. on many points. The increase in the volume of equipment, experience and people is not in order to keep the volumes in one place / level. Have you ever done something like that? Of course, it’s a sin in the south to complain. But still, somewhere all these tractors will drive excavators from the south and build from the Crimea. We must be glad that Nast has so many prospects for jobs
        1. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 13 July 2020 10: 44 New
          0
          Yeah! 30 years to build experience !? Compare Russia and China in 30 years! Compared to China, Russia is a very dumb country! What has China achieved in 30 years, and what has Russia achieved in 30 years? Starting conditions of Russia and China! The disgrace of Russia is complete! Already sick of the complete hopelessness of life in Russia! No improvements and breakthroughs! Well, except for the Moscow Principality! MK is really a different country!
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 14 July 2020 20: 06 New
            +2
            Yes, it’s not just people like you who are stupid like a tree - what China has achieved has created a huge copy factory of foreign products for foreign technologies and money and is now engaged in hybridization on theft of foreign and Russian developments. If you don’t have any improvements or new things, you don’t see this is purely your problem and you don’t need to project it on everything.
            1. SOVIET UNION 2
              SOVIET UNION 2 17 July 2020 10: 37 New
              0
              And who prevents Russia from copying? Have you already forgotten how to copy in Russia?
          2. cradle
            cradle 17 July 2020 04: 54 New
            -2
            Well, planing the galleries ... laughing from hopelessness.
    3. Dimy4
      Dimy4 10 July 2020 09: 46 New
      +6
      In recent years, really great changes. Keep it up good

      For which you were instructed cons belay Do you like new roads? And the changes are really grand, we are now making a new route to Galich and Sharya, the canvas is just a sight for sore eyes.
    4. Civil
      Civil 10 July 2020 10: 20 New
      +8
      Moscow is perfectly rebuilt ... the rest is law and pay.
      1. WIKI
        WIKI 10 July 2020 10: 33 New
        +4
        Quote: Civil
        Moscow is perfectly rebuilt ... the rest is law and pay.

        And the rest is expensive, but problematic. For example, I had to “castrate” my DVR. When leaving the asphalt, the emergency shock sensor instantly triggers. Old files are not erased, the SIM card is clogged and reg. stops recording. The reason for this is patching, which turned asphalt into a “washing board”.
      2. cradle
        cradle 17 July 2020 05: 01 New
        -2
        Yes, why this race? People, wake up! There are normal roads in Khabarovsk (2014-2017), normal roads in N. Novgorod (2018). In Yakutia (since 2019) Magadanka has been paved with quiet sadness ... Everything is fine in the Moscow Region ... What else do you need? Do you think you will make these millions of kilometers in a year?
  2. Far B
    Far B 10 July 2020 09: 22 New
    17
    The construction of new roads is an undoubted success of modern Russia
    Well, what is this nonsense ?! The construction of new ones and the repair of old ones should be perceived as the norm, as part of the daily life of any state. And then we have leaders of different levels took the ribbon mode to cut, even if only twenty km is asphalted. Achievement, however. I cut my nails yesterday. Also, damn it, the achievement of the logic of the author?
    1. Magnat231
      Magnat231 10 July 2020 09: 35 New
      +1
      Why do you take statistics on neighboring countries, former republics, and see how much they put into operation new and repair old, well, compare kilometers
      1. Far B
        Far B 10 July 2020 09: 43 New
        11
        Continuing to compare with negative examples? Well, actually, nothing surprising
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 10 July 2020 10: 03 New
        +4
        Quote: Magnat231
        how many new ones they put into operation and repair old ones, well, compare kilometers

        So compare. In relation to the number of cars, for example.
        1. Woodman
          Woodman 10 July 2020 10: 13 New
          -2
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          In relation to the number of cars, for example.

          Then population density must be compared.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 10 July 2020 10: 15 New
            +5
            Quote: Lesovik
            Then population density must be compared.

            And at the same time the area of ​​countries. laughing
            1. Woodman
              Woodman 10 July 2020 10: 17 New
              0
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              And at the same time, the area of ​​countries

              Well, how else? Compare so compare)
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 10 July 2020 13: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: Magnat231
        Why do you take statistics on neighboring countries, former republics,

        A large country requires a lot of roads, but a small small road is enough.
  3. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 10 July 2020 09: 28 New
    +4
    it is planned to attract up to $ 100 billion of investments
    Investors are not benefactors; they expect to make a profit. And quite good. And our officials lack the imagination to invest their money, which is stupidly lying in US bonds, and make a profit much larger than miserable interest. And most likely, kickbacks are much more useful for your pocket than for the state. And there is much more scope for imagination.
  4. Revolver
    Revolver 10 July 2020 09: 30 New
    +6
    “There are two troubles in Russia: roads and roads”
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Дураки_и_дороги спорит о том, кто сказал, но сказано метко.
    Well, let's say the issue of roads is being solved, but what about a different disaster?
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 10 July 2020 09: 43 New
      16
      Quote: Nagan
      “There are two troubles in Russia: roads and roads”

      "There are two troubles in Russia, and one is constantly fixing the other."
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 10 July 2020 10: 00 New
      +6
      One issue is addressed by the asphalt roller. And with the roads, what to do?
    3. cradle
      cradle 17 July 2020 05: 05 New
      0
      the answer is in your profile picture ... you just need a remake on the theme "1937".
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 17 July 2020 05: 09 New
        0
        Well, let’s say that Naganov is still a lot in the world in working condition, not all have been converted into Galimov clappers and rubber arrows, and there are cartridges. In which case even Makarov will do. But Stalin has nowhere to take, and not to raise from the grave. Unfortunately.
        1. cradle
          cradle 17 July 2020 10: 14 New
          0
          Dear, we must be collective Stalin ...
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 10 July 2020 09: 33 New
    +4
    Unfortunately, due to the abundance of difficult climatic zones and the always negligent attitude of controlling structures to the design and construction of roads, new roads become DIRECTIONS !!!
    It’s sad to realize this, it’s even sadder to repair vehicles after traveling in these areas!
  6. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 10 July 2020 09: 36 New
    +3
    New roads: Russia decides one of its main problems

    The roads are good, if only I could deal with the second disaster - with fools.
    "There are two troubles in Russia: fools and roads (either Gogol, or Saltykov-Shchedrin)
    1. svp67
      svp67 10 July 2020 09: 43 New
      +4
      Quote: Anatole Klim
      The roads are good, if only I could deal with the second disaster - with fools.

      But in Russia, the fool is a fool, I think that you do not urge Ivan the Fool to deal?
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 10 July 2020 10: 03 New
        +6
        Quote: svp67
        Ivan the Fool You do not call to understand?

        Well, according to one version, Vanka was called a fool because he was the third son, who did not have an inheritance, the older brothers took everything, i.e. He was not a fool as such, and his assistants were good - a humpbacked horse, a pike, etc. hi
        1. svp67
          svp67 10 July 2020 10: 04 New
          +4
          Quote: Anatole Klim
          pike

          It’s with Emely ... who somehow wasn’t a fool either ...
          1. Anatole Klim
            Anatole Klim 10 July 2020 10: 07 New
            +3
            Quote: svp67
            This is at Emelya

            Yes, I began to forget, but soon the grandchildren will appear, I remember everything, I will read fairy tales to them. yes
            1. svp67
              svp67 10 July 2020 10: 09 New
              +3
              Quote: Anatole Klim
              grandchildren will appear, I remember everything, I will read fairy tales to them.

              Good luck in this noble cause. wink
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 10 July 2020 13: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: Anatole Klim
              Yes, I began to forget, but soon the grandchildren will appear, I remember everything, I will read fairy tales to them.

              It’s wonderful for grandchildren to read, but I didn’t have to read children or grandchildren, it’s already sad.
              1. Anatole Klim
                Anatole Klim 10 July 2020 14: 02 New
                0
                Quote: tihonmarine
                I didn’t have to read either children or grandchildren, this is already sad.

                I won’t go into the soul for what reason you got such a sad situation, I just wish you all the best. hi
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 10 July 2020 14: 20 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Anatole Klim
                  I won’t go into the soul for what reason you got such a sad situation, I just wish you all the best.

                  Thank. Yes, it’s just that all life in the seas has passed, and children and grandchildren saw dad and grandfather as a guest.
    2. alone
      alone 10 July 2020 09: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: Anatole Klim
      The roads are good, if only I could deal with the second disaster - with fools.

      A broken road can be repaired, at worst you can rebuild .. But with fools this is a problem .. they will not be repaired laughing The most annoying thing is that the quantity does not decrease
      1. nPuBaTuP
        nPuBaTuP 10 July 2020 13: 58 New
        +2
        that quantity is not decreasing

        rather increases :)))
        Although, as the famous Kuzmich said to everyone:
        There are no more fools, they just become more active ... (c)
    3. Lynx2000
      Lynx2000 10 July 2020 09: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Anatole Klim
      New roads: Russia decides one of its main problems

      The roads are good, if only I could deal with the second disaster - with fools.
      "There are two troubles in Russia: fools and roads (either Gogol, or Saltykov-Shchedrin)

      recourse
      It is important that the road problem is not resolved in this way: in the spring snow is falling, but there is no road ...
      The second problem: to prevent fools from building and maintaining roads.
  7. d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 10 July 2020 09: 37 New
    +3
    On the one hand, new roads are being built, yes. But the same Meridian has not yet been determined, well, I’d be surprised if instead of this route they will build another toll road to Moscow, for example, Moscow-Kazan. This is how much expensive land will have to be redeemed, for sure, anyone interested, have already taken up this. Again, each year the M5 "road of death" collects its bloody harvest. How much can you not reconstruct it? Leave new payers to private owners and concessionaires, and let Avtodor reconstruct its economy. Shame when Siberia and Russia are connected by directions rather than roads.
  8. alone
    alone 10 July 2020 09: 46 New
    +3
    The road is an important infrastructure. .It is important to know how much an average cost of 1 km of road costs. And also the cost of repair is 1 km .. and compare. Sometimes it happens that the repair is more expensive .. Due to the fact that it can be endless, because you can make a fortune
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 10 July 2020 11: 18 New
      0
      because on this you can make a fortune
      ... That's right .. The thief doesn’t want to get anything bad. Getting good is good. Therefore, the thief desires good. smile
    2. Free wind
      Free wind 10 July 2020 11: 22 New
      +3
      The road and the oil industry are inextricably linked. bitumen oil industry has nowhere to go, this is the final product of oil refining. And they openly marry bitumen, and heaps of complaints were also written by the prosecutor's office, one answer is not like don’t take it. As a result, the asphalt on the road we have blurred. And all the tales of bad road builders are tales.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 10 July 2020 12: 19 New
        +3
        And they openly marry bitumen, and heaps of complaints were also written by the prosecutor's office, one answer is not like don’t take it. As a result, the asphalt on the road we have blurred.

        I agree with you. Poor quality raw materials do not make it possible to make the road for at least 10 years. Constant repairs are underway.
        My friend is the director of an asphalt plant. I traveled to Finland to exchange experience, upon arrival I said: "We have not seen this quality of asphalt, and, accordingly, roads, for a long time."
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 10 July 2020 14: 24 New
          0
          Quote: glory1974
          I traveled to Finland to exchange experience, upon arrival I said: "We have not seen this quality of asphalt, and, accordingly, roads, for a long time."

          Precisely noticed, with the Finnish roads, few can compare.
  9. Free wind
    Free wind 10 July 2020 09: 49 New
    +2
    Unfortunately, our road construction is very overpriced for the price. And this is done at design institutes, since institutes receive money from the cost of the project. And they put things absolutely unnecessary in projects. Suppose they can lay down drainage pipes in the project after 500 meters, although there is arid terrain.
    1. your1970
      your1970 10 July 2020 10: 32 New
      +6
      Quote: Free Wind
      Suppose they can lay down drainage pipes in the project after 500 meters, although there is arid terrain.

      In the absolute USSR in 1976 in our arid steppe 30 km of the newly constructed highway were washed away - the flood of the big one and the woodpeckers the designers of the Soviet research institute - not designed culverts pipes. They wanted to plant uncle - but he dismissed the project ...
      And there were no more such floods ...
      Suggest to guess, wash off or not?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 10 July 2020 14: 28 New
        0
        Quote: your1970
        Suggest to guess, wash off or not?

        If we assume that it will wash off, then the road will be done as it should. And if you wash it off, it doesn’t wash it off, then they’ll make a blunder.
        1. your1970
          your1970 10 July 2020 21: 13 New
          0
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: your1970
          Suggest to guess, wash off or not?

          If we assume that it will wash off, then the road will be done as it should. And if you wash it off, it doesn’t wash it off, then they’ll make a blunder.

          Gold words!!! Only these three think that must save (free wind and its two pluses)
          Quote: Free Wind
          And lay in the projects things are absolutely unnecessary. Suppose they can lay down drainage pipes in the project after 500 meters, although there arid the terrain.

          And what to do with it? But God forbid - they have power? " It is urgent to reduce costs !!! "....
          And then something falls somewhere ......
      2. Hagen
        Hagen 11 July 2020 12: 11 New
        0
        Quote: your1970
        woodpeckers are designers of the Soviet Research Institute - not designing culverts.

        Any projects, and even more so financially intensive, such as roads, must pass, and then passed, a state examination. So, either something happened, the probability of which should not have been provided by the project according to the standards, or the number of "woodpeckers" can not be calculated. In the USSR, the economy was also considered and understood that absolutely stable structures could be built, but that would also cost space money. So they were looking for a compromise. Not always successful. But without this in any way. By the way, from the mid 70's began to experience a shortage of food in the country. So the cost savings during construction and production were in demand by life itself.
    2. cradle
      cradle 17 July 2020 05: 12 New
      0
      they can’t .... the project is created on the basis of the joint venture 243.1326000.2015 ... then it undergoes an examination and you can’t put the pipe in there by your own Wishlist. So justified.
  10. fa2998
    fa2998 10 July 2020 09: 56 New
    +4
    Quote: Magnat231
    Why do you take statistics on neighboring countries, former republics, and see how much they put into operation new and repair old, well, compare kilometers

    But we have nothing to compare with than with the republics? They were subsidized in the USSR, not oil and gas. Look far away, for 50 years normal roads have already been built, and with high quality, you don’t have to put latches right away.
    Mostly federal roads are built. And this is 10%. Everywhere devastation. The federal government that walks around the city licks, it takes evil. A bunch of traffic lights, signs through the meter, overpasses (which no one walks on) a fence (in the past year they did, they break it this year, they think they should do the repair of the coating.) And the rest of the roads, they will bring the rock from the waste heap, level it out, they did all the repairs!
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 10 July 2020 10: 05 New
      +3
      There is such a sign: they laid fresh asphalt - it means they will soon shift the pipes.
      1. cradle
        cradle 17 July 2020 05: 15 New
        0
        get the gun laughing
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 17 July 2020 05: 23 New
          0
          Quote: besik
          get the gun laughing

          Yes, to get a short time, lies in my closet, in a drawer under the lock.yes It’s been a while, however, I didn’t get it since the quarantine shooting galleries were closed. And ammo zinc, but there are still more than half of the appearance left. And, you know, pushing the trigger is simple. But how to organize arrests and tribunals without Stalin? no negative
          1. cradle
            cradle 17 July 2020 10: 15 New
            0
            Well, if you look at the landings of governors, the process has begun
  11. Maks1995
    Maks1995 10 July 2020 10: 05 New
    +3
    Roads are good.
    But, for example, in Khimki, roads, Sobyanisk tiles, turfs are regularly shifted .....
    A Leningrad endlessly narrow and in traffic jams.

    How much dough, how much dough goes to the turf ....
    1. cradle
      cradle 17 July 2020 05: 16 New
      0
      how much? And how much does it cost to repair 1 km of Leningradka ... compare for yourself.
  12. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 10 July 2020 10: 09 New
    +2
    About the roads of Russia, who just didn’t write, and what they didn’t write, but only one Konstantin Simonov was able to show capacitively the roads of Russia.

    Do you remember, Alyosha, the roads of Smolensk,
    As there were endless, evil rains,
    As the krinks brought us tired women,
    Crouching like children from the rain to their chest.
  13. Galleon
    Galleon 10 July 2020 10: 09 New
    +9
    I’ve been driving along the M-8 highway (Yaroslavka) from Moscow for more than 20 years. And I remember the section from the capital to Sergiev Posad without partitions of half the lanes under the guise of repair during this time 2 or 3 years. Fifty kilometers of the road 20 years in repair. Into the gap! Raise children, give foreign education to grandchildren, build or buy houses in Italy - and all on the same road, being the owner of road construction. Madness. There is no repair - the newly built expressway is blocked. Traffic jams are collected for 2-3 hours (until recently, they were more modest) that one, that the other way.
    Sorry, maybe not quite on the topic ...
    And yet - after all, there is not enough oil money on all roads. I know, but everyone here knows the sections of roads that have not been repaired for about 30 years. There is a stretch of kilometers 15-18 from Vologda to Vytegra - a dirt road, pits and 20km / h maximum. And how many such sites. For example
    1. ban
      ban 10 July 2020 11: 24 New
      +4
      Well, you, my friend, are an optimist. 2 or 3 years without traffic jams))) I do not remember something. I live in Posad, I work in Moscow. Every year is getting worse.
      When tagged, when Thatcher wanted to see the laurel, the Germans straightened the entire month of 2 for XNUMX months from Moscow to the posad.
      And now?
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 10 July 2020 11: 29 New
        +3
        And now, it’s as if these road bourgeoisie had broken the chain. At least something would be done in these blocked sections. Well, build a flyover, okay. But the road is narrowed for several kilometers in different directions. I am writing for those who do not know how the rebuilt 5-lane highway has been partitioned off to two lanes for 10 years now. And you, dear colleague, what can I ...? Just hug you and cry together crying laughing
        Hopelessness is such that only a joke can be finished. smile
        1. ban
          ban 10 July 2020 11: 54 New
          +2
          And what do we want when in Moscow Misha Blinkin was appointed the head of the transport institute, who does not know how to drive a car))
          When the denouement is completed, we get up from Mytishchi to the Moscow Ring Road there, from Pushkino to Koscheykovo back. Unfortunately.
          Such a site should be done in the complex, as a whole, and not a year by teaspoon
          1. depressant
            depressant 10 July 2020 13: 35 New
            +1
            Hello fellow countrymen! )))
            I remember when the Queen made a denouement, everyone said: now let's go! And traffic jams became even bigger. True, a very long time did not go to the throne. Interestingly, has anything changed?
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 10 July 2020 13: 52 New
              +2
              The number of cars is growing faster than roads are being built. We in St. Petersburg also said: we’ll build a ring road - we’ll go, we’ll build a WHSD - there will be no traffic jams. Now they are building a second contour.
              1. ban
                ban 10 July 2020 14: 29 New
                -1
                2 weeks ago I was in your place in St. Petersburg. By car. Compared to Moscow and the region, you simply do not have traffic jams
              2. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 11 July 2020 20: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                The number of cars is growing faster than roads are being built.

                Of course, especially if you build them without straining, and then stick the LCD along the constructed roads to stop hundreds of thousands of residents.
            2. ban
              ban 10 July 2020 14: 34 New
              0
              For the worse - see above)
    2. cradle
      cradle 17 July 2020 05: 27 New
      +1
      Well you, my friend, grabbed .... Vytegra. Vologda and V. Ustyug were connected with the highway only in 1994, and Nyuksenitsa-V. Ustyug himself built in 1995 ... There is game laughing It is clear that people want normal roads. But the Vologda Oblast is quite complicated for the construction of these. Peat bogs alone are 18 meters long. And the same taiga as it is now in Yakutia. But I think they will build a normal one before Vytegra. hi
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 17 July 2020 09: 29 New
        0
        In the seventies, when my dad went on a business trip from Rybinsk to Yaroslavl (about 90 km), a certificate was issued for him for three days: the car went there for a day, a day at the headquarters and a day back. Now, in an hour, you can whistle these 90 km. But will there be enough oil money for all of Mother Russia ?? Yes, with this distribution of the budget?
        1. cradle
          cradle 17 July 2020 10: 19 New
          0
          Russia is not a single oil ... I, for example, work in gold mining .... we also give the country coal ... small, but ... a lot. and money in Russia is not measured, it is only necessary not to distribute it, but to distribute it competently.
  14. Catfish
    Catfish 10 July 2020 10: 12 New
    +1
    As they say, in Russia there have always been two problems - Road and Roads. Well, if you somehow sort of deal with the roads, maybe they will figure it out (if again they don’t steal somewhere), then the second problem is much more complicated and practically unsolvable. request
  15. parusnik
    parusnik 10 July 2020 10: 18 New
    +2
    If we hadn’t built the Krymsky Bridge through our district, there would have been no road infrastructure in the region now ... All road infrastructure began to develop after 2015 ... And before that, there wasn’t much need ...
  16. goland72
    goland72 10 July 2020 10: 18 New
    +3
    We in St. Petersburg at the ring permanent repair. Fences, signs and, as a result, traffic jams in all directions. At the same time, when I am going to work at 8-00 in the morning, there is still not a single worker, and no one is back at 18-00. Who's stopping on the freeway, where there are no nearby residential buildings and lighting in the dark, work around the clock ?!
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 10 July 2020 10: 31 New
      +4
      "What prevents a bad dancer? Inconvenient clothes? Close shoes? Slippery floor?" (C) Mf Smeshariki
  17. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 10 July 2020 10: 21 New
    10
    How shyly did they bypass the information, but how many paid sections were entered on the tracks? Plus Plato there too. Several families sucked, do not tear.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 July 2020 21: 43 New
      +1
      1500 kilometers at the end of 2019.
  18. Pavel57
    Pavel57 10 July 2020 11: 15 New
    +1
    The main thing is that the roads do not require repairs after commissioning, otherwise the budget for repairs will not be enough.
  19. January
    January 10 July 2020 11: 24 New
    +2
    Well, let's start to deal with roads ...
    I would like to clarify how and when they plan to solve the second main problem?
    1. alone
      alone 10 July 2020 14: 14 New
      0
      Quote: ian
      Well, let's start to deal with roads ...

      Well, it depends on who is dealing with the roads .. If the second ones deal with the first problem, then it will take a very long time to wait
  20. ban
    ban 10 July 2020 11: 25 New
    +5
    The author licked well. Why!
    Probably does not drive)
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 10 July 2020 11: 59 New
      +4
      Caution, you can not use the verb "lick." You run the risk of running into a ban. However, to whom (ban) I say this .. winked
      1. ban
        ban 10 July 2020 14: 31 New
        +3
        Thank! Did not know. I read the site for a long time, and recently logged in
        1. cradle
          cradle 17 July 2020 05: 31 New
          -1
          Well Duc and razloginit ... I already have 5 warnings out of 10 ... but to be honest, not really soaring.
  21. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 10 July 2020 11: 36 New
    0
    They would make roads without levies from the population on excise taxes on fuel, Plato, toll roads, power tax ..... they would not have a price.
  22. ximkim
    ximkim 10 July 2020 12: 34 New
    +3
    Road repairs are going at a snail's speed, and new ones are just a feeder, which the authorities themselves invented.
    1. cradle
      cradle 17 July 2020 05: 34 New
      -1
      But what is this photo for? What is it talking about? What is an edros feeder? Well, if you don’t repair the roads, then you would also say that they don’t repair it. Repair - repair slowly. Become a roadman yourself and show the class. Or poke on the clave, not waving a shovel?
      1. ximkim
        ximkim 17 July 2020 10: 24 New
        0
        Photo to the fact that they began to politicize more on the roads, they began to do less ..
        1. cradle
          cradle 18 July 2020 02: 05 New
          0
          if you started doing less, then you would walk ... So no need to blah blah
  23. Normal ok
    Normal ok 10 July 2020 14: 54 New
    0
    If they decide on the roads, the main thing will remain - the government ...
    1. cradle
      cradle 17 July 2020 05: 37 New
      0
      judging by the comments of the previous author, the government does not threaten anything ... nor anyone ... so throw away bad thoughts. But if without jokes, then the current government completely suits me.
  24. KrolikZanuda
    KrolikZanuda 10 July 2020 19: 10 New
    +4
    Without further ado, a new bridge and a hundred-kilometer stretch of the M5 understudy route bypassing Togliatti are being built.
    https://pikabu.ru/story/istoriya_stroyki_ili_obkhod_tolyatti_7392381

  25. Polymer
    Polymer 10 July 2020 19: 53 New
    +1
    After all, the motorway is new service jobs, prospects for the development of small businesses in the field of gas station, repair service, catering, hostels and motels.

    Wow, "development"! belay
    "new maintenance jobs" negative
    1. cradle
      cradle 17 July 2020 05: 39 New
      0
      Well, in general, the author forgot to take into account the work of designers, builders ... these builders will need not only vodka, but also road equipment that needs to be produced, fuel, etc. You need to think deeper and wider. laughing
      1. Polymer
        Polymer 17 July 2020 06: 40 New
        0
        Then we are not talking about the development of the "hinterland" through which the road will pass, since projects and equipment will clearly not be done there.
        1. cradle
          cradle 23 July 2020 01: 42 New
          -1
          and the equipment is made only in Moscow? .. well, at least about the JSC "Bryansk Arsenal" read the tunnels .... or is it a metropolitan production ... or a remote place in your understanding is it a village? This was not the case when large-scale industries in the villages. You just want to justify the "abandonment" of the outback.
  26. kig
    kig 12 July 2020 06: 44 New
    0
    Something is all about Moscow, Kazan and St. Petersburg ... but people live not only there. Or are they not people?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve2QntrDtqU
    1. VicktorVR
      VicktorVR 12 July 2020 16: 13 New
      -2
      No, we are not people. We are, "hard workers." The China-Europe transport corridor may be built someday (especially since a competitive project is pushing through Central Asia), but at least Moscow-Vladivostok is at the same level (not to mention, say, Volgograd-Kirov or Arkhangelsk-Bryansk ) hardly.
    2. cradle
      cradle 23 July 2020 01: 45 New
      0
      Well, taken together with the Moscow region (which mostly works in Moscow), this is about 15% of the population of the Russian Federation, no matter how. I myself live in the suburbs, although I work in the north. So what confuses you?
  27. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 12 July 2020 16: 09 New
    0
    Somehow, the author forgot that some of these roads will be paid ...
    Yes, and that’s all drops in the sea.
    In addition, Meridian and Moscow-Kazan are not being built to connect the east and west of Russia, but to connect Europe and China.
    But the Moscow-Vladivostok road is very mediocre and there are no prospects yet. However, it is clear why - taking into account the “coefficient of 15” (how many times more money is needed with a margin for theft) there simply is no such money. All thousands of kilometers to do two lanes in each direction ...
    So we push every day - “long-distance fights” with “local”, on the same page.

    Yes, the quality of the coating has improved markedly over the past 20 years, it is noticeable that they are being watched, but this is all patchwork of holes, in the literal and figurative sense.

    Something is missing - either desire or opportunity. After all, there are examples literally at hand, the same Finland (with climate and prices per km), the same China (with speed and organization of work, and again with prices).
  28. kot-begemot
    kot-begemot 12 July 2020 21: 17 New
    +2
    I am not a fan of the darkest and quite far from politics, but I can only admit one thing: with him, roads and bridges are built, repaired, expanded.
    Slowly, regional roads have already begun, I can judge by the Stavropol Territory, the Krasnodar Territory and the Rostov Region.
  29. Roman123567
    Roman123567 13 July 2020 14: 07 New
    -2
    rising oil prices contributed to an increase in the amount of money in the federal budget, which was directed, inter alia, to improving the country's road infrastructure.

    That is, roads were built for money from oil .. our oil .. our money ..
    And the revenues from traveling on these scarves now for decades have been dripping into completely different pockets ..
    Well, thank Putin as always .. That’s the whole mnogohodovochka ..
    1. agond
      agond 13 July 2020 20: 48 New
      0
      Asphalt is not the best material for roads in our climatic conditions .... and in general the pavement could be made self-leveling, that is, the concrete stones of the pavement themselves are aligned with each other after unloading. The leveling level of 1-2 mm will be sufficient to make the road seem eternal on the scale of the life of one generation, and no temperature changes with thawing freezing cycles will be of no concern, if the stone sags and does not return to its original position, then remove it from the sand and put it back in place .. I have long wanted to make a similar road in my 30 m / p section according to my own recipe, but the need to craft about 3 thousand pieces of concrete elements and 1.5 thousand pieces of rubber shock absorbers for them plus buying 1.5 thousand bolts with nuts stopped me .
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 July 2020 20: 09 New
        +1
        It is also necessary to create such a rubber that will keep the temperature drops from minus 50 to plus 60 for many years as well as numerous deformations with a cyclic load of tens of tons.
      2. cradle
        cradle 23 July 2020 01: 56 New
        0
        so what a ratsuha when the road will be "golden". It's like Tukhlachevsky has 100 thousand armored tractors ... The IVS calculated the amount of metal for this proget and ... shot it in fig ... so that you don't get swept away by a blizzard.
  30. Charik
    Charik 14 July 2020 19: 07 New
    0
    yes noticed new coatings began to appear in the Voronezh region
  31. Sedemin
    Sedemin 16 July 2020 11: 35 New
    0
    The fact that they build and repair roads is good, but for how long? Our car managers love studded tires, which in a year or two nullify all previous work ...
  32. cradle
    cradle 17 July 2020 05: 42 New
    0
    .
    In addition, Meridian and Moscow-Kazan are not being built to connect the east and west of Russia, but to connect Europe and China.
    That is, the Chinese and Europeans will drive this road exclusively? Where is the world going? Go up! wassat
    1. agond
      agond 21 July 2020 11: 07 New
      0
      Roads made of stones are known from ancient times, during operation, the load on the cans leads to their subsidence by an amount imperceptible to the eye, but this value is added up each time and as a result the road becomes uneven, although the stones themselves could serve for centuries, the use of fasteners and rubber shock absorbers, by the way a very small amount and mass in comparison with the required amount of stones, will solve the eternal problem of Russia fools and roads, roads will level themselves without the participation of fools
      1. cradle
        cradle 22 July 2020 09: 54 New
        0
        just first calculate how much it will cost and you will understand that it is cheaper to hire fools to periodically level the road.
        1. agond
          agond 22 July 2020 14: 40 New
          0
          If the road structure has the property of leveling itself, then the requirements for backfilling and for compaction can be significantly lower than usual, that is, roughly speaking (of course, this should not be done) in the spring we collect the road surface right on top of the thawed soil and sometimes even snow and it lasts all summer, and in the fall we sort out and add sand where necessary, then the road will hold for many summers, so even if the cost of construction turns out to be higher than usual, which should not be, since artificial stones can be made all year round in the factory, the operating costs will be are minimal. Ideal for toll road owners.
          1. cradle
            cradle 23 July 2020 03: 58 New
            0
            I'll probably tell you America, but the main cost of the road is its coverage ... You are kidding: "in the spring we collect the road surface right on top of the unfrozen soil and sometimes even snow, and it lasts all summer, and in the fall we sort out and add sand where necessary" ? Can you imagine the cost of such a process? Try to convince any of the road builders of the benefits of your projects ... and I'll laugh, on the sidelines ...
            1. agond
              agond 27 July 2020 21: 40 New
              0
              Quote: besik
              do you imagine the cost of such a process

              Of course, one person with a socket wrench and the other with a bucket of sand go and selectively remove stones, add sand and put everything back into place, and laying on snow is an extreme example. you shouldn't.
  33. cradle
    cradle 28 July 2020 05: 40 New
    0
    [quote = agond] [quote = besik. you shouldn't do that. [/ quote]
    So then you should not write. Think over the project, technology, and then throw crazy projects.
    1. agond
      agond 5 August 2020 11: 45 New
      0
      Quote: besik
      So then you should not write. Think over the project, technology, and then throw crazy projects.

      As an engineer, I do not see any obstacles, an example of laying a covering in the snow, this is an extreme case when it is urgent to restore movement