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The Turkish S-400 air defense missile systems “spied” on the US Air Force “invisible” fighters

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Ankara tested its Triumph S-400 systems, testing their ability to detect 5th generation American warplanes. Turkish anti-aircraft gunners tried to “catch” the US Air Force F-35 and F-22 during their flights between Europe and the Middle East.


According to the Bulgarian portal Bulgarian Military, these vehicles moved over the Black Sea and over the territory of Turkey. At the same time, the flight path passed 170-200 km from the Mürted air base, on which two S-400 air defense batteries are located. The military could prepare for the appearance of aircraft, since advance notice of the route of military vehicles is sent. They took advantage of this by arranging "surveillance" of the American "invisible" fighters.

Turks could watch how they look on the radar

- notes Bulgarian Military.

However, as Defense24 points out, this monitoring is difficult to call objective.

Because they [planes] are equipped with overlay systems [Luneberg lenses - signal amplifiers], reinforcing their radar track, as well as the thermal signature

- writes the Polish edition.

A similar incident occurred with the F-22 Raptor, which was detected on the way to the Republic of Korea by Chinese radars.

However, this plane flew at ... an air show. The situation was certainly the same, of course, when flying in the vicinity of Turkey from the moment this state received the S-400 system. In the case of combat readiness of the S-400 within 170-200 km, they would not have been seen at all

- indicates Defense24.
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  1. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 10 July 2020 08: 08 New
    28
    another article of the type “grandmother’s discussion on the bench about the international situation” ... and the reality is that the C400 sees 5th generation airplanes made using STELS technology ... and sees well at long range ...
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 10 July 2020 08: 14 New
      11
      and who checked who sees / doesn’t see whom? at what course, height, distance?
      Quote: silberwolf88
      "grandmother's arguments on the bench about the international situation"

      I agree with that)
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 10 July 2020 08: 41 New
        +9
        Theoretically, knowing the flight route along the border of the Russian Federation and pushing the equipment to the desired point, as close to the border as possible, it is possible to work out the detection.
        I’m thinking of pouring water about the possibility of the complex, no one will detect the aircraft with stealth technology, otherwise the first delivery of this complex abroad will be the last.
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 10 July 2020 11: 53 New
          12
          Defense24 is POLISH MASS MEDIA.
          And that's it.
          The Turks, of course, having received the S-400, will definitely check the effectiveness of its radars. It is obvious. But it is unlikely that the Turks will notify anyone about this. And if they put it - then their own media.
          So in stock only attempt Poles once again lick ass USA
      2. pipetro
        pipetro 10 July 2020 11: 03 New
        +2
        Yes, they see these stealth, and not only Russian complexes.
        Here you just turn on the logic: you have a plane that no one can detect. So plant him on the conventional "Red Square", as you did in the last century, for a couple of hours. How many such demonstration operations have been performed over the past 20 years? 0.
    2. Roman1970_1
      Roman1970_1 10 July 2020 08: 27 New
      +6
      Your statement from the same opera about the grandmother.
      None of those who write comments here know this.
      1. KCA
        KCA 10 July 2020 08: 44 New
        +4
        According to Zvezda, there was a program about some research institute that deals with radar, its representative said that they have signatures of reflection of almost all aircraft in the world, to the question of the host - and stealth of US planes, he answered - yes, and them, how they received them, of course, did not say. They showed simulators - very tiny, in comparison with an airplane, corner reflectors, it is clear that they showed not stealth, but an analog of some AN-2
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 10 July 2020 09: 30 New
          -28
          Oh yes, the Star TV channel is a trustworthy source.
          1. KCA
            KCA 10 July 2020 09: 36 New
            15
            Do you have a more reliable source of information? FoxNews? BBS? Bellingcat? Maybe National Intrest? Or other? Tell me, I read it / see
            1. Levius
              Levius 11 July 2020 11: 43 New
              +1
              I have. "KB communication." Rostov on the Don. One of the developers of electronic warfare. All signatures are F22. F35 were received 8-10 years ago. In the Middle East, there was a mobile detachment that wrote the entire exchange between the Avax signatures of all aircraft. And these types of invisibility were archived. Another story is how we got equipment for signal collection and archive recording. And in our time there is a place for the exploit of a scout. Infa is no longer super secret. The source shared over a cup of tea.
              1. Lamp post
                Lamp post 11 July 2020 17: 53 New
                0
                Chatterbox is a godsend for spy.
                1. Levius
                  Levius 11 July 2020 18: 02 New
                  0
                  The statute of limitations has passed. And it’s a pity that. The country does not know many heroes. Those who are now working abroad, extracting information, equipment drawings. There's a lot cooler than the Hollywood craft.
                  1. Lamp post
                    Lamp post 11 July 2020 18: 11 New
                    0
                    That is true, but it is a necessary “price” for involvement. Do not fail a friend.
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 10 July 2020 09: 59 New
          -11
          On "Star" was a program about some research institute

          The stars are still storytellers. There is pure propaganda there, and technically they are very, very inaccurate.
          they have signatures of reflection of almost all aircraft in the world, to the host’s question - and stealth of US planes, he answered - yes, and, of course, they didn’t tell them how they got them

          And this is quite normal. They are also used all over the world, including in the Middle East, where Russia has its own forces and means. I think that to remove the signature from the new aircraft was one of the first tasks after the appearance of these aircraft.
          1. KCA
            KCA 10 July 2020 10: 21 New
            +3
            On this site, all Americanophiles claim that stealth always fly with the lens turned on, even when 5 planes flew out on combat patrol after an attack on a military base in Iraq, how did the signatures be removed? Or they don’t always fly with a lens, although you can’t prove them
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 10 July 2020 11: 04 New
              +3
              I don’t know for the Americanophiles, but the F-35 is already more than 500 units in service, not only among the Americans but also among the allies, and they have long been used in combat missions. In such circumstances, collecting information on them should not be a problem. About lenses, especially on combat missions in general, some kind of stupidity. Although it is quite logical that the operators will try to prevent even such a study of new aircraft. But with the forces deployed in Syria and the Mediterranean Sea, I think this should not be a problem.

              With the F-22, things can be more complicated, but they were also used in Afghanistan and in Europe, if my memory serves me right, they were thrown over.

              Well, the latter can not only be “measured”, it is not the only available option, you can use the prognostic method and then only confirm its results with real measurements.
    3. wow
      wow 10 July 2020 17: 48 New
      0
      Yes, of cous!
  2. svp67
    svp67 10 July 2020 08: 10 New
    14
    In the case of combat readiness of the S-400 within 170-200 km, they would not have been seen at all
    - indicates Defense24.
    Each sandpiper praises its swamp ...
    1. Levius
      Levius 11 July 2020 11: 45 New
      0
      Yeah, and Putin also has babies. Found someone to believe.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 10 July 2020 08: 36 New
    10
    Luneberg lenses do not affect the thermal signature. And they have a very different "signature" depending on the angle. Or there should be a lot of them.
    1. Harry.km
      Harry.km 10 July 2020 14: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And they have a very different "signature" depending on the angle. Or there should be a lot of them.

      So the all-angle stealth has not yet been invented ... The lens simply distorts the amplitude of the reflected signal, for example, from the frontal direction. And with the rest of them, and so it can be seen)
  4. APASUS
    APASUS 10 July 2020 08: 42 New
    +6
    OBS - one grandmother said!
    The Turks are no longer interested in anything as soon as they follow the F-35 and F-22
    Extradition by the Bulgarians for wishful thinking ...............
    1. KCA
      KCA 10 July 2020 10: 22 New
      +1
      Well, there’s someone who, and the Bulgarians will certainly not flatter the Turks
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 10 July 2020 10: 26 New
        0
        Quote: KCA
        Well, there’s someone who, and the Bulgarians will certainly not flatter the Turks

        Where did you notice flattery there? Here, an attempt at petty fawning for the Americans is very clearly visible! An attempt to push the Turks and the Americans and curry favor with this
  5. Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 10 July 2020 08: 45 New
    0
    According to the Bulgarian portal Bulgarian Military, these vehicles moved over the Black Sea and over the territory of Turkey.
    Triumphs were tested at least three times on American stealth. AviaPro news agency indicates that not only F-35 aircraft, but also more classified F-22s appeared in the detection range of systems.
    Information Agency AviaPro indicates that not only F-35 aircraft appeared in the detection zone of systems, but also more classified F-22s.
    It was necessary to add just a little "News Agency AviaPro indicates ".
    And what a yellow-military site is, I hope many know.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 10 July 2020 09: 32 New
      -16
      I am directly surprised by the people who link AviaPro and Channel Star. So self-discredited sources are hard to find.
      1. Boratsagdiev
        Boratsagdiev 10 July 2020 10: 40 New
        -3
        Aviapro - has long been a garbage dump, all the nonsense is collected and placed.
        The Star depends on the department, they have long had a change of employees for new progressively trained young geniuses.
        1. fiberboard
          fiberboard 10 July 2020 13: 12 New
          -1
          They changed for Armenians, and as you know, they are great specialists everywhere, where they smell of money.
      2. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 10 July 2020 10: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: Grazdanin
        I am directly surprised by the people who link AviaPro and Channel Star. So self-discredited sources are hard to find.

        This is for those who put cons!
        I will give only one example about avia.pro
        2019-07-02 published an article:
        "One of the Syrian air defense systems S-300 was damaged as a result of the Israeli attack."
        Read more at: http://avia.pro/news/stalo-izvestno-o-povrezhdenii-odnogo-iz-siriyskih-s-300
        And the photo is given:

        Open:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFYxee_40eI
        And from 0:21 to 0:27 we stop.
        And we understand that this is another article FAKE!
        Just like today.
        And any number of MINUSES will not overshadow the truth.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 10 July 2020 10: 42 New
          -5
          What is the difference how many minuses?
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 10 July 2020 10: 46 New
            -3
            Quote: Grazdanin
            What is the difference how many minuses?

            For me, it does not matter, but it speaks of the level of knowledge and information of those who put them, which lowers the overall level of visitors to VO.
          2. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 10 July 2020 11: 29 New
            +2
            when there will be many minuses you will be banned forever
            1. nPuBaTuP
              nPuBaTuP 10 July 2020 12: 27 New
              -1
              Yes, both of them have long gone to the bathhouse .... something they lingered ....
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 10 July 2020 12: 45 New
                +1
                Are you talking about Grazdanin?
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 10 July 2020 13: 07 New
                  -5
                  Probably about me, but for what?
                  1. Nastia makarova
                    Nastia makarova 10 July 2020 13: 24 New
                    +2
                    you criticize Russia almost everywhere
                    1. Grazdanin
                      Grazdanin 10 July 2020 13: 38 New
                      -4
                      I do not criticize Russia, I love Russia. The current Russian government and its decisions are what deserves criticism.
                      S400 sale that Turkey is currently testing, a betrayal of Russian interests. All test results will go to the NATO piggy bank. This news is an example, even if it is fake.
                      1. Nastia makarova
                        Nastia makarova 10 July 2020 13: 44 New
                        +4
                        1. this is a cropped version
                        2. sold not only Turkey but also to others
                        3. generally do not sell new weapons ??? because nobody needs the old
                      2. Grazdanin
                        Grazdanin 10 July 2020 13: 48 New
                        -8
                        Tell Oleg Peshkov’s family.
                      3. Nastia makarova
                        Nastia makarova 10 July 2020 13: 49 New
                        +5
                        moreover, Peshkov and s-400 ??? no connection
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 10 July 2020 08: 47 New
    +2
    What results are not known. But judging by the hysteria arranged by the Americans about the S-400 in Turkey, they can be very encouraging. Especially since the Polish "partners" won’t be able to stand the nerves, they climbed with excuses. It seems worried about the pan.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 10 July 2020 09: 14 New
    0
    Empty text. Well, lenses, well arranged, so radars are needed for this.

    Here from what distance they saw / did not see with lenses .... but not a word about this in the article
  • Lebed
    Lebed 10 July 2020 09: 17 New
    12
    Now let the manufacturer send the data. Some kind of "customer reviews"
  • rocket757
    rocket757 10 July 2020 09: 38 New
    0
    Objective information on this subject with Gulkin nose and where it is hidden, go guess it.
    Mostly solid fortune telling.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 10 July 2020 10: 00 New
      +1
      And who will give them this info in the public domain? Of course, I would like to see a sign with information at what distance, at what height, under what weather conditions, under what operating parameters of the radar, etc. Fki is detected, with what probability they are infected, by what means defeat is possible. But something tells me we won’t see it))
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 July 2020 09: 53 New
    +1
    In the case of combat readiness of the S-400 within 170-200 km, they would not have been seen at all
    Well, the Bulgarians are certainly great specialists in the S-400. In their imagination, they "tested" in all modes and realized that it was impossible to see the American plane, because it was American. Lick diligently and at all levels.
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 10 July 2020 10: 05 New
    +2
    here who followed someone else with a question, the F-35 could fly with lenses and analyze the signal characteristics of the S-400 radar
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 10 July 2020 10: 28 New
    +8
    For both sides. USA and Russia, this issue is critical.
    Option one (patriotic) - If the C400 sees Amer’s “invisibility”, then 35 with its flaws and price, did not give up to anyone. Then they will have to admit: They screwed up to the fullest, made super expensive shit and in general, something went wrong. Congress and the Senate begin a showdown at the district level, they are interested in - And where did the yards of green go, who will actually pay for the banquet. Then, they will find a Russian trace and impose regular sanctions against a group of Russian Nenets - reindeer herders (only they are not yet under sanctions). Then they begin to make poker face and vparivat their flying g .... to everyone who considers Americans to be the chief. because the example of F105 was already and bought it, but where to go?
    Option two (liberal). the flying prodigy is not visible until it flies over the C400 control car. Then, in Warsaw and Vilnius and Kiev, large-scale holidays are held, and prominent military observers and retired generals from the cavalry say that they have long known this. Ours, after a short conversation with the Guarantor, when he will explain to them the whole depth of our depths in an extremely intelligible form, say that the blame is for the squinting Arabs, Turks or Iranians who, due to their limited mental abilities and Down's congenital syndrome, did not advance their entire General Staff further the ability to turn on the toggle switch On / Off. But if our gefreyter Vanya Pupkin and the old captain Mikhail Dyatlov were sitting there, then the Americans or the Masons would not smell at all. Then we show a cartoon with a description of the awesome characteristics of the new secret complex C 650 and say that we can shoot down stealth at the time of their exit from the hangar in Louisiana.
    Conclusion - Until the C400 lands the F35 in the presence of a pool of journalists, and live, or the flyer with the F35 does not throw an empty can from Yury Zhmotov, Ensign, at the moment he addresses a small need for a rocket launcher, nothing will be clear. And so we have a lot of retired senior admirals and just colonels who have to earn money, I print various nonsense. with an extremely smart look.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 10 July 2020 10: 49 New
      -1
      Quote: Petrik66
      If C400 sees Amerov’s “invisibility”

      Everything is much more complicated. At what heights and ranges does he see? At an altitude of 10-12 km is one thing, 150-200 meters is another. Under what radar settings and weather conditions? They saw it on the F35 radar, were able to Identify it as F35? Is the signal quality enough to aim the rocket? A lot of variables that affect the final result.
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 10 July 2020 11: 07 New
      -6
      Quote: Petrik66
      Conclusion - Until the C400 lands the F35 in the presence of a pool of journalists,

      Your reasoning is correct. But so far, what is happening in Iran confirms only one version.
      Tonight, explosions were reported in the warehouses of missiles of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps west of Tehran, in the Garmadareh and Quds area.
      Iran’s Aerospace Forces have also reportedly used two ground-to-air missiles against an airplane or a drone.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 10 July 2020 13: 02 New
        -5
        It seems that info was about the supply of missiles or a component to the C300 to Iran. All at the checkout.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 10 July 2020 13: 51 New
          -5
          Quote: Grazdanin
          It seems that info was about the supply of missiles or a component to the C300 to Iran. All at the checkout.

          This is one of the first reports in the morning, so it’s still difficult to say something specifically, but the fact that in two weeks six “technical accidents” at military facilities, including the production of modern centrifuges, raise many questions.
    3. DominickS
      DominickS 10 July 2020 12: 58 New
      0
      To see something he will see, like any other radar. The question is at what distance. At enough to destroy the target and take countermeasures, or a second before the HARM is imprinted in the radar.
  • mag nit
    mag nit 10 July 2020 10: 42 New
    +1
    Well, the Poles know better.
  • Elephant
    Elephant 10 July 2020 11: 00 New
    0
    It is clear that with a Luneberg lens, stealth is clearly visible by radar. But in a fighting position without a lens - somehow vaguely. And it is still not clear from what distance the 35th detects the 400th radar, or how the 400th radar is detected by various means of detection / target designation, including Avax, drones and, of course, satellites.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 10 July 2020 12: 59 New
      -1
      The S-400 has a centimeter AFAR, which comes as standard.
      But you have to carry around with you and the bulky radar meter range,
      and another additional radar. With these three radars
      trying to point missiles at the stealth.
      This large concentration of radars and antennas is visible very far away.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 10 July 2020 11: 42 New
    +1
    In the case of combat readiness of the S-400 within 170-200 km, they would not have been seen at all


    The Poles say so, as if it was not a Turkish military, but Polish journalists sitting at the S-400 remotes and monitors)))
  • tikhonov66
    tikhonov66 10 July 2020 12: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Petrik66
    Conclusion - Until the C400 lands the F35 in the presence of a pool of journalists,

    and what for do we need it ?!
  • DIM (a)
    DIM (a) 10 July 2020 13: 24 New
    0
    Please correct if it is wrong, but doesn’t Turkey have its own few F35s, which they can irradiate and take data in any way? They seem to have only the main batch of 100 pieces inhibited.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 10 July 2020 19: 22 New
      0
      Not a single one, the transmission was stopped.
    2. doubovitski
      doubovitski 10 July 2020 22: 25 New
      0
      Quote: DIM (a)
      Please correct if it is wrong, but doesn’t Turkey have its own few F35s, which they can irradiate and take data in any way? They seem to have only the main batch of 100 pieces inhibited.

      To eat or not is absolutely not important. Of course, the Turks already know for sure, but they are silent. They are not allowed to publish their results. their Americans then ..... After all, the sales market of these invisibles will be lost. And we must admit that we bought shit .... It's like in a joke about Khoja Nasreddin. He decided to get a little crazy. He put an ordinary cat in a cage, and announced that it was a talking cat. Very wise cat. He hung a cage in the barn and lets visitors in, but ONE. For tanga. Each visitor, of course, is convinced that he was deceived, but to admit it is a shame. I am ashamed. Therefore, all, leaving the barn, confirm- WHAT WISE TALKING CAT!
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 10 July 2020 22: 18 New
    +1
    But what, does an airplane flying on a show take off its protective coating? And devices that enhance visibility in normal, non-combat conditions - Luneberg’s lenses are turned on in order to confuse the enemy, “accustom” him to good visibility, and in combat to do what he does not expect? Fade away? It is difficult to implement, and only for premature babies, a sufficient explanation.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 11 July 2020 00: 04 New
    0
    Quote: silberwolf88
    another article of the type “grandmother’s discussion on the bench about the international situation” ... and the reality is that the C400 sees 5th generation airplanes made using STELS technology ... and sees well at long range ...

    It may be so, another question in whose interests this work was carried out? The main NATO partner asked, ... and paid? bully
  • tarackanovaleksei
    tarackanovaleksei 11 July 2020 11: 27 New
    0
  • Andrey Stavropolsky
    Andrey Stavropolsky 11 July 2020 16: 07 New
    0
    Well, if there is a big war ahead, it’s better to tell that c400 don’t see nefig, boldly fly right into the clutches.
  • Rostislav Prokopenko
    Rostislav Prokopenko 11 July 2020 17: 12 New
    0
    Those. This prodigy flies and the pilot, in addition to solving his combat missions, must track - in whose air defense zone he is and turn on / off the Luneberg lens (turn on / off the symbol of his actions laughing ) with fantastically clear tracking of radar boundaries. And you also need to inform your accomplices that at some (very approximate) moment in time they will suddenly have a mark on the radar of the enemy’s aircraft, to work out counterintelligence so that this message does not reach “probable opponents,” etc. etc.
    Too complicated, and coupled with the wildly expensive service, this seems like a miracle of technology to me from the word ABSOLUTELY.
    After all, even if the desert barmalei knock down this miracle of technology from the Mosin rifle - the stripes will still say that it passed the magnet test for bullets of antique weapons.