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Where bribe takers live hard: global anti-corruption experience

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Corruption is a social evil tormenting humanity, perhaps, from the moment the first states arose. Alas, this trouble did not pass over Russia. The fight with her lasts in our country as long as it is unsuccessful. Calls were repeatedly made to use world experience and to borrow the best examples in overcoming the problem of dishonest officials. We will talk about some of these examples.


The bribery problem belongs to the category of the most old and intractable. In the old days, they rebelled against her as anyone knew how. Most of the rulers, brought to a white heat by stickiness of their hands and the bottomless pockets of their own servants, from the nearest proxies to small clerks, without further ado rubbed their heads, referred to the ends of the world and took to the treasury the money acquired by dishonest means.

Quite originally, according to some legends, one of the Ottoman sultans decided to do: choosing the next great vizier, he removed him from his post without executing any proceedings, executed, and confiscated his property so that the next would not be disgraceful. So repeated more than once ... And what? The number of people wishing to take this post has not decreased at all! This proves that the mentality is extremely difficult to reverse even with the most severe measures.

However, as severity in the fight against corruption, as world practice shows, you won’t achieve much. The death penalty for this crime can be applied today in countries such as China, Thailand, Cuba. In the United Arab Emirates, grabbing hands are chopped off for bribe takers, just like ordinary thieves. In the Celestial Empire, the extreme severity of legislation is also combined with the implementation of "educational work", although quite peculiar. On extremely exciting excursions to prisons, where corrupt officials are detained, they take not only the public servants themselves, who risk succumbing to the temptation, but also their family members up to their children. And the relatives of the shot bribes can easily be sent an invoice for the ammunition spent at the same time ...

Alas ... None of these countries tops the list of the least corrupt. Eyes are afraid, and hands are taken ... But another Asian state, Singapore, is considered almost the whole model of a successful anti-corruption policy in the world. What is the secret that corrupt people live there hard? Not only that, to investigate the actions of dishonest officials, special structures were created there, as independent as possible and enjoying the broadest powers. And not even in the adoption of the relevant legislation, which put potential bribes in an extremely tight framework.

A huge role was played by the introduction of the so-called “presumption of corruption guilt” of the official, according to which not the investigators were to prove the fact of receiving unlawful remuneration for him, but he himself was obliged to justify his own material well-being in the most detailed way with an exact indication of his legal sources. Otherwise - not only the shameful dismissal and confiscation of all good, but also a substantial prison term. At the same time, it should be noted that at the same time as the measures mentioned, the wages of public servants there were increased quite significantly, so that it was much more difficult for officials to lead into temptation.

In Europe, the Italian experience in the fight against corruption is considered quite successful. In 1993-1994, there was conducted an unprecedented in scale special operation "Clean Hands", which resulted in the conviction of more than five hundred officials and politicians up to statesmen of very high ranks. In total, about 20 thousand people turned out to be under investigation, and up to 80% of local officials simply left their posts away from sin. It all started with the fact that on a bribe of 5 thousand dollars came the director of a pension for the elderly in Milan Mario Chiesa. However, as it turned out, this character was only a link in the chain, following which the investigators reached his accomplices at the very top. However, to say that since then Italy has completely and completely got rid of corrupt officials and corruption would be a very big exaggeration.

They are quite productively fighting this evil in the countries of Scandinavia. There, as, however, and everywhere where the bribe-takers were curbed as much as possible, the result is a combination of quite strict anti-corruption legislation, maximum transparency of the activities of state bodies and minimal “regulation” of the same business, which minimizes bribery risks and opportunities for it. The Netherlands and South Korea also achieved good results, not least due to extremely tightened control over the activities of officials, including from ordinary citizens. In the same South Korea, the Audit and Inspection Committee is obliged to initiate an investigation on any statement submitted to it, and the Dutch pay officials for reporting dubious actions of colleagues.

Which of all these methods can be applied in Russia? It is hard to say. It is important - not to try to mix everything together and not to start, as has already happened more than once, to apply even the most effective other people's recipes without taking into account local specifics. And most importantly - to build a system of protection of legislation and trust for those who are called upon to deal with such protection.
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  1. alone
    alone 10 July 2020 15: 14 New
    17
    There is also the Singapore method, the president of which began the fight against corruption with his bribery friends .. There are many examples ..
    Corruption is everywhere .. it is pointless to deny it .. And there is a fight against it .. but there is one thing but ... It depends on who is leading the fight and how .. You can put a petty official for a bribe of $ 50, but the one who sits on top and gets millions, sits quietly in its place. The whole effect depends on the security forces .. Everyone probably remembers those generals and colonels who have seized billions .. That's not the way to defeat corruption ..
    . .
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 10 July 2020 15: 17 New
      21
      If ammunition is allocated for the fight against corruption, not money, I’m sure it will be.
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 10 July 2020 15: 32 New
        +5
        If the fight against corruption allocate cartridges

        Definitely TRUE!
        1. unaha
          unaha 10 July 2020 15: 52 New
          +6
          Totally wrong. An example of China is indicative.
          Can it still begin with the elimination of causes by increasing transparency, lowering licensing standards and increasing confidence in the state? It is more complicated and longer, but the result is much longer and the concomitant effects are positive. Unlike only repressive approaches.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 10 July 2020 16: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: unaha
            Can it still begin with the elimination of causes by increasing transparency, lowering licensing standards and increasing confidence in the state?

            Is that a new joke?
            1. unaha
              unaha 10 July 2020 16: 33 New
              +2
              Are you saying that "what other nafig transparency is all the intrigues of liberals" or the fantastic nature of my modest wishes? )))
            2. Vicontas
              Vicontas 10 July 2020 21: 00 New
              0
              It just needs a new Great October Revolution and a new code of laws that allows you to CONTROL POWER from top to bottom! You can even use Singaporean methods - as having proven effectiveness!
              1. CSKA
                CSKA 11 July 2020 13: 04 New
                +2
                Quote: Vicontas
                It just needs a new Great October Revolution and a new code of laws

                )))))) So what? Was there no corruption in the USSR?
                1. Vicontas
                  Vicontas 11 July 2020 20: 46 New
                  +1
                  It was, but compared to today, kindergarten versus brothel! In addition, corrupt officials were not awarded the Order of the Hero of Russia, but were put up against the wall and turned into real estate! Regardless of titles and proximity to the body. A friend of Brezhnev, the governor of the Krasnodar Territory, Medunov, was caught embezzling, was convicted and shot! During the days of his reign, the Governing Glass, Yeltsin decided to imprison Sobchak, the teacher, mentor, and work associate in the St. Petersburg mayor's office, for the theft of the current President Putin. Feel the difference.....
                  1. CSKA
                    CSKA 13 July 2020 11: 15 New
                    0
                    Quote: Vicontas
                    It was.But compared to today

                    Yeah, it’s not comparable at all.))))) Ordinary workers of trade and public catering at their dachas in banks have millions buried in gold and kg, and this is at that time.
                    Quote: Vicontas
                    not awarded the orders of the Hero of Russia

                    Who are you talking about?
                    Quote: Vicontas
                    A friend of Brezhnev, the governor of the Krasnodar Territory, Medunov was caught stealing, was convicted and executed!

                    Do not grind nonsense. Firstly, nobody caught him on bribes and nobody sewed a case for him. Secondly, for your information they didn’t shoot him, but sent him to retire.
                    Quote: Vicontas
                    During the reign, Steering Glass Yeltsin decided to imprison for stealing Sobchak - teacher, mentor and work colleague at the mayor’s office of Peter the current President Putin. And Putin helped Sobchak escape to France! Feel the difference.....

                    Well, of course. Putin personally keeps all borders. It's just interesting how he could help him with this in the 97th being the deputy head of the presidential administration? That is, the president himself wanted to plant and did not plant, but does the deputy administrator manage the border?)))))) Not the head of the FSB, not the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs or anyone else, but the all-powerful deputy. And what kind of dog is a teacher and mentor? Of course they worked together, but what did he teach and instruct there?
                2. January
                  January 11 July 2020 23: 06 New
                  -3
                  The Great October Revolution took place in 1917. 4 years in the country there was war, lawlessness and anarchy. The USSR reached the standard of living of his beloved 1913 in 1970 ....
                  Do you want to repeat?
                  1. CSKA
                    CSKA 13 July 2020 11: 16 New
                    0
                    Quote: ian
                    The Great October Revolution took place in 1917. 4 years in the country there was war, lawlessness and anarchy. The USSR reached the standard of living of his beloved 1913 in 1970 ....
                    Do you want to repeat?

                    )))) What are you talking about? What a revolution, what to repeat? Talk about corruption.
        2. alone
          alone 10 July 2020 16: 02 New
          +6
          Quote: AlexGa
          Definitely TRUE!

          In China, 15 bribe-takers are shot annually .. their number is not decreasing request
          1. Sklendarka
            Sklendarka 10 July 2020 16: 28 New
            +2
            That's right, but ... MINUS 15000, and this is ciyer!
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 10 July 2020 16: 30 New
              -2
              But the ranks of the fighters are not thinning.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 13 July 2020 08: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                But the ranks of the fighters are not thinning.

                Imagine how they would grow without executions! wink
            2. unaha
              unaha 10 July 2020 16: 34 New
              0
              They can ... our people are not enough for such a pace.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 10 July 2020 17: 37 New
            +2
            Quote: lonely
            In China, 15 bribe-takers are shot annually .. their number is not decreasing

            So you need to increase until the reduction of bribes begins.
            1. alone
              alone 10 July 2020 18: 36 New
              +4
              Quote: tihonmarine
              So you need to increase until the reduction of bribes begins.

              Well, this is the business of the Chinese. They decide what to increase and what to reduce.
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 10 July 2020 19: 01 New
              +3
              No, the use of the death penalty in China has been declining from year to year.
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 10 July 2020 22: 06 New
          -5
          To reduce the number of officials by 60% by replacing their functions with one window, also introduce a control system with a strict audit of all finances of both officials and private owners, as well as control of all government spending and the implementation of state programs throughout Russia online using neural networks and AI using the Blockchain system the further implementation of such systems by industry in the digital economy - everything is in the palm of someone who how much when when for how much where and so on and no one will leave the money it will be impossible to get and spend without the knowledge of the tracking brother of a one-day company it will be impossible to create as well as commit fraud via the Internet using left mobile phones and IP addresses it will also be impossible to conduct business in black and gray barcodes it is impossible for everyone to check these goods using a mobile application.
      2. depressant
        depressant 10 July 2020 15: 50 New
        +6
        We have a State Duma ... lobbying, and cannot issue other laws except with a corruption component. Need an independent commission to investigate the corruption of laws. So that each law is considered on the subject of how it can be circumvented. If you find a loophole, change the law, developers from the Duma are not just driven away, but planted, while simultaneously investigating from whom they took the money for such concoction. Moreover, it is necessary to consider each law in conjunction with others. So that there are no contradictions.
        Example. Under the new law, foreign wine materials cannot be used to produce Russian wine. And customs officers will miss. The plant will be exposed, punished, but nothing for the customs officer! It is unlikely that the investigator will go along the supply chain. And it would be necessary.
        Or I read about the recent confiscation of wealth from the governor (not Furgal, the other - do you remember all of them!), But where is the investigation of those who gave bribes? The recent one is 235 million rubles. Who gave it? And it turns out funny: the bribe-giver is, the bribe giver is not. And although the law stipulates that the giver is also to blame, I don’t remember something, so that all the wicked are put in a chain.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 11 July 2020 20: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: depressant
          Need an independent commission to investigate the corruption of laws.

          And who do you propose to be commissioners? Will those who oppose some lobbyists cover others? For the last fifty years we have observed the priority of the material over the spiritual. It became not a shame to earn money "by any means" and to demonstrate their material "success" to everyone around. With such a system of values, corruption and other illegal ways of enrichment will necessarily be, no matter how the state fights them. And today the majority of the population has such a system of values ​​in their heads. And the "independent commission" will have the same system of values ​​and views. Even here on VO, we express our anger at our empty pockets and overflowing others. And the most honest of the most zealous fighters against corruption, having received great powers to fight this evil, most likely will hardly remain so long. And all from the fact that the state does not have an appropriate ideology, as a state policy, and the political will to impose it in the country. I do not want to say that this is the only and exhaustive measure to combat this evil, but, in my opinion, it is one of the key ones.
      3. Wolverine
        Wolverine 15 July 2020 19: 40 New
        -1
        Quote: Skalendarka
        If ammunition is allocated for the fight against corruption, not money, I’m sure it will be.

        If officials are cut by a factor of five, then corrupt officials will be reduced by a factor of five, and this is bloodless and mother’s money will remain in the treasury. wassat
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 10 July 2020 15: 56 New
      +5
      and he himself was obliged in the most detailed way to justify his own material well-being with an exact indication of his legal sources

      Naturally, the fight against corruption is quite simple, there would be a desire. Revenues with expenses are not difficult to combine and conclude .. But with us, I think, the whole forest will go immediately to cut down .. Literally everything laughing
      Which of all these methods can be applied in Russia?

      A very good method in Singapore .. So, according to the identification, it is enough to reduce the debit with the credit, and by punishment, to confiscate everything from all relatives .. well, of course, "to cut the forest" by redeeming so to speak ..
      1. your1970
        your1970 2 August 2020 23: 16 New
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        A very good method in Singapore ..

        And no one knows how in Singapore it really is ...
        And yes - when extrapolating the size of the Singapore police to Moscow- only there should be at least 250 policemen in Moscow against the current 000 ...
    3. Shelest2000
      Shelest2000 10 July 2020 16: 18 New
      +8
      The whole effect depends on the security forces ..

      You are deeply mistaken! The "whole effect" depends on the country's political leadership and its willingness to fight corruption. And how the security officials are beaten on the hands so that they do not get involved in "unnecessary matters", I think there is no need to tell.
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 10 July 2020 16: 36 New
        +8
        that's right, the fish rots from the head. THERE are all problems. This is starting from the fact that mumitrolls from the upper world appear from somewhere accounts and real estate over the hill. All Moomins from the upper world have stigmas in the cannon.
        therefore, it is necessary to start rustling from above, that's how it was in Italy.
        1. Aleksandre
          Aleksandre 10 July 2020 18: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: Klingon
          that's right, the fish rots from the head. THERE are all problems. This is starting from the fact that mumitrolls from the upper world appear from somewhere accounts and real estate over the hill. All Moomins from the upper world have stigmas in the cannon.

          Do you still think that the local Moomins of the upper world are somewhat different from the local Moomins of the lower world? Maybe genetics, or the reptilian aliens there at all? wink
      2. alone
        alone 10 July 2020 21: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: Shelest2000
        You are deeply mistaken! The "whole effect" depends on the country's political leadership and its willingness to fight corruption. And how the security officials are beaten on the hands so that they do not get involved in "unnecessary matters", I think there is no need to tell.

        And the current political power is the security forces. . And the power structures are directly subordinate to the First Person .. So, by saying security officials we mean power, and by saying power we mean security officers .. They are closely interconnected
      3. Clear
        Clear 10 July 2020 22: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Shelest2000
        The whole effect depends on the security forces ..

        You are deeply mistaken! The "whole effect" depends on the country's political leadership and its willingness to fight corruption. And how the security officials are beaten on the hands so that they do not get involved in "unnecessary matters", I think there is no need to tell.

        In my eyes it’s not a good guy No. .
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 July 2020 18: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: lonely
      There is also the Singapore method, whose president began the fight against corruption with his bribery friends ..

      It's funny, but if we begin to fight corruption according to the Singaporean method, then the liberals will be the first to wail, just praising Lee Kuan Yu. Because the fight against corruption there did not go on its own, but only as part of Singapore’s withdrawal to regional leaders. And for this, Lee Kuan Yew established a real totalitarian regime in Singapore - one party, one leader, one goal. Who wants personal freedoms is the way out. Who wants democracy and a multi-party system is the way out: Singapore has one leader. Religious freedom is only under state control. At any time, they may arrest you in the case of a relative or acquaintance - and keep them in jail without trial. If it weren’t for all this, the fight against corruption would have failed, turning into another political campaign to settle bills between politicians and parties.
      So, talking about the current free arcanar prosperous and free Singapore, everyone usually forgets how it was built.
      1. alone
        alone 10 July 2020 21: 06 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexey RA
        for this, Lee Kuan Yew established a real totalitarian regime in Singapore - one party, one leader, one goal.

        Aleksey, isn’t it the way it is now during Lee Kuan Y. There are, of course, some differences, but about the concentration of power in the hands of one person, one party and one leader, it’s a complete coincidence hi
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 13 July 2020 15: 14 New
          0
          Quote: lonely
          Aleksey, isn’t it the way it is now during Lee Kuan Y. There are, of course, some differences, but about the concentration of power in the hands of one person, one party and one leader, it’s a complete coincidence

          Not. If we had as under Lee Kuan Yew, then there would be no other parties except EdRo at all. Physically, it wasn’t - their members would either clear the snow in Chukotka or talk about the horrors of Russian totalitarianism from London or Zurich.
          And there wouldn’t be any hihaneks and khahaneks for the term for a glass thrown at the riot police - for absolutely everyone whom the authorities would consider a participant in the anti-government demonstration would receive the term. About five years old - for an unabashed mindset.
          It's funny that under Lee Kuan Yew, the poor miserable director oppressed by power, Serebrennikov would have sat down immediately and for a long time. And all who spoke out in his defense are also like possible accomplices and opponents of the government. And officials from the Ministry of Culture, who allocated the money, too.
    5. paul3390
      paul3390 10 July 2020 19: 47 New
      +4
      Or so .. We also have our own positive experience in the fight against corruption ..

    6. cradle
      cradle 11 July 2020 06: 57 New
      +1
      and from the pot to educate in the rejection of corruption also does not interfere. Idealogy is needed at the state level.
      1. your1970
        your1970 2 August 2020 23: 19 New
        0
        Quote: besik
        and from the pot to educate in the rejection of corruption also does not interfere. Idealogy is needed at the state level.

        Was there an ideology in the USSR, and where is the USSR?
        1. cradle
          cradle 4 August 2020 01: 43 New
          0
          if it were not for surrender to the humpbacked and eltsin, then he would still be in good health ... Do not confuse the soft and the warm ... Not an ideology is the reason for the collapse, but outright betrayal
          1. your1970
            your1970 4 August 2020 22: 58 New
            0
            I repeat, there was an ideology in the USSR. This ideology was NOT able to resist the coming to power of the MSG, the betrayal of the entire leadership and the collapse of the USSR ...
            Ideology did not help save the USSR, not a single gram ...
  2. Galleon
    Galleon 10 July 2020 15: 14 New
    +9
    Weakly. He expected that at least the Russian procurement and tendering mechanism would be analyzed for corruption loopholes, or the system of kinship and nepotism would be discovered, which, for example, the VChK-OGPU telegram channel systematically deals with. Well, nothing: Friday, afternoon, forgive the author.
  3. Darkesstcat
    Darkesstcat 10 July 2020 15: 27 New
    -2
    You can legalize corruption. In the USA, this seems to be considered lobbying.
    1. cradle
      cradle 11 July 2020 06: 59 New
      +2
      You can not, you need to shoot as in 1937. You can triples. Ordinary people almost did not suffer, but all sorts of zavsklad, etc. were put on a warm wall. And the normals.
  4. credo
    credo 10 July 2020 15: 28 New
    +1
    It seems that corruption, like prostitution, are the oldest human vices, the fight against which will last for centuries without visible positive results. Apparently the best way to eradicate such a vice is the foundational words - "Communism, social justice and equality of all in everything." True, the world stratum of prohibitively rich people will definitely not approve of such a slogan, and part of the rest of the community of people will eagerly desire to achieve in any way the same as that of the rich. The circle is complete.
  5. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 10 July 2020 15: 29 New
    +6
    There are many methods of combating corruption, the effectiveness of which is directly related to the ability of those involved in corruption to hold positions in government agencies.
    Complete confiscation and deprivation of ranks and merits is an effective measure. We have reached the point where the fight against corruption has been reduced to the “nullification” of all former “merit” ...
    An example is the epic with ex-Prosecutor General Seagull ...
    Nothing good in this regard can be expected from the authorities in the near future.
    1. Serpet
      Serpet 10 July 2020 15: 34 New
      15
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Nothing good in this regard can be expected from the authorities in the near future.

      Who will punish themselves?
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 10 July 2020 15: 58 New
      +1
      Where will you find people who will selflessly fight corruption and not turn this fascinating activity into a feeding trough?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 10 July 2020 17: 06 New
        +3
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Where will you find people who will selflessly fight corruption and not turn this fascinating activity into a feeding trough?

        The country is full of such. It's just that they are not shown in the news ...
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 10 July 2020 17: 14 New
          -1
          Take off your pink glasses - finally become a realist. There are no honest ones, there are forcedly honest ones. At least in the age category 40+. How many of these irreconcilable, having received a position, turned 180 degrees? Moreover, they were by no means hypocrites, just the smell of money blew. All hope for a young tribe: if they raise their children correctly, then their (not ours!) Grandchildren will live in a society with an acceptable level of corruption.
        2. Clear
          Clear 10 July 2020 22: 09 New
          0
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Where will you find people who will selflessly fight corruption and not turn this fascinating activity into a feeding trough?

          The country is full of such. It's just that they are not shown in the news ...

          Right, Yuri Vasilievich. Otherwise, it’s completely sad.
        3. cradle
          cradle 22 September 2020 01: 58 New
          0
          I completely agree - from the heart
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 July 2020 16: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: ROSS 42
      There are many methods of combating corruption, the effectiveness of which is directly related to the ability of those involved in corruption to hold positions in government agencies.

      I will say that it has been said many times, but of course not everyone likes it, and maybe now this is not an effective measure. But how many Khoroshavins, generals of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Investigative Committee, the Federal Penitentiary Service have been arrested, but they are not decreasing.
      And now let us remember or ask how many persons of the same rank were arrested for such actions in the USSR before 1953. I don’t remember, and I don’t know how many, but if there were such, then they were orders of magnitude lower. I do not propose to fight with the same methods, but simply write that there are methods to combat corruption, but for this you need to want and start to fight, and statements, promises, media screeching, pounding on the table with fists, this is not a fight against corruption, this is just a show to calm the people down and shake the air. At this stage, it is "crush water in a mortar".
      1. your1970
        your1970 2 August 2020 23: 26 New
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        ... I don’t remember, and I don’t know how many, but if there were such, then they are orders of magnitude lower

        It was quite enough for Zhukov, with his kilometers of fabric at the dacha, a fake military unit and a fake GSS ...
        Well, my beloved Vladimirov, a postal worker, "was sentenced to 10 years for embezzlement, but they forgot (??????) to arrest him, and he ran away"
        Gapali then, and the scale was not feeble
  6. Trotil42
    Trotil42 10 July 2020 15: 38 New
    11
    Corruption in Russia .. this is primarily a system of government..Wild salaries of directors of state corporations are many times higher than the salary of the President of the United States .. Appointment of sons to warm positions .. Super successful wives and sons on the basis of state order .. Well, as we know, fighters against corruption in general. Consider money as trucks and rooms. . Lenin in his article ;; How to reorganize "RABKRIN" wrote that nothing corrupts an official like unjustified salary and irresponsibility. This is not considered corruption in our country. This is a system. I don't remember one of the presidents of Latin America said that it is easy to defeat corruption ... it is enough to jail three of your friends for corruption ...
    1. credo
      credo 10 July 2020 15: 54 New
      -2
      Quote: Trotil42
      Corruption in Russia .. this is primarily a system of government..Wild salaries of directors of state corporations are many times higher than the salary of the President of the United States .. Appointment of sons to warm positions .. Super successful wives and sons on the basis of state order .. Well, as we know, fighters against corruption in general. Consider money as trucks and rooms. . Lenin in his article ;; How to reorganize "RABKRIN" wrote that nothing corrupts an official like unjustified salary and irresponsibility. This is not considered corruption in our country. This is a system. I don't remember one of the presidents of Latin America said that it is easy to defeat corruption ... it is enough to jail three of your friends for corruption ...

      I wonder what corruption in Russia is so much different from corruption in the United States, France or England. If the example of Biden (USA) with his son, who was arranged for a warm place in Burisma, Margaret Thatcher (England), with her son smeared for illegal deliveries of weapons to hot countries or numerous scandals in France, where presidents, prime ministers and just ministers constantly come across on the fact that they arrange their wives, lovers and lovers in warm places, are not similar shameful facts for you, then yes there it can simply be called employment, but in Russia it is corruption, but in essence it is just profanity and nothing more.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 10 July 2020 16: 33 New
      -4
      Corruption is, first and foremost, a mentality.
      1. credo
        credo 10 July 2020 16: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Corruption is, first and foremost, a mentality.

        Stunned, did you think of it yourself or do you know from experience? So maybe tell everyone present any such individuals or nations that are most incorruptible in their mentality.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 10 July 2020 17: 04 New
          -1
          Offhand - our northern neighbors - Finns. They do not steal, and not because they will be punished, but because it is zapadlo.
          1. Cristall
            Cristall 12 July 2020 22: 39 New
            -5
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Offhand - our northern neighbors - Finns. They do not steal, and not because they will be punished, but because it is zapadlo.

            Finns have less stratification of society. And the good of the whole society is closer, and therefore the person’s self-awareness is more resistant to bribes. Why take it if the level is good and the realization that it will harm.
            And when the stratification is strong and the bribe automatically makes you already a wealthy person, plus everyone in society does not disdain this, this is not morally suppressed.
            Corruption is, first and foremost, a mentality.

            By the way, yes. In the mentality of the coldest and less humid country in the world, it was the Asian attitude in bribes that has long been deposited. This is a gift. Which even becomes obligatory (how to accept and give in the form of tribute)
            Finland in the climate lottery took better places. And the Scandinavians stubbornly built their societies for the common good.
          2. your1970
            your1970 2 August 2020 23: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Offhand - our northern neighbors - Finns. They do not steal, and not because they will be punished, but because it is zapadlo.

            A story from life ... In 2011 I was in the same checkpoint on the border with Finka ... Overweight, overweight, overweight, overweight ... On average, 2 tons per axle .... Well, with ours it is clear, "damned corrupt officials .. ".....
            And now there is a surprise in Finland? Where did they quite calmly pass both the weight and customs control ???
            Where is their - the Finnish "WEST" ???? !!!! In what place was hiding, so that it was not visible ??????
    3. parusnik
      parusnik 10 July 2020 16: 58 New
      +1
      The corruptionist does not want to get anything bad. Getting good is good. Therefore, the corrupt person wishes for the good. laughing
    4. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 10 July 2020 17: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: Trotil42
      I don’t remember, one of the Latin American presidents said it’s easy to defeat corruption ... just put three of your friends for corruption ...

      Do not remember - do not speak.
      Lee Kuan Yew, author of the Singapore Miracle: “Start by planting your three friends”
      1. Trotil42
        Trotil42 10 July 2020 18: 32 New
        +1
        Well .. firstly, I referred to what I don’t remember .. Secondly, if you make a comment (not on the merits of the question) .. I will answer you ... watch yourself .. You have something work ... because I didn’t say anything from the above ... I wrote .. work on the mistakes
  7. nikvic46
    nikvic46 10 July 2020 15: 45 New
    +4
    A bribe is not only about money. I signed what I needed and got what I needed.
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  9. parusnik
    parusnik 10 July 2020 15: 57 New
    0
    They have it ... and with us? ... Sometimes it seems to me that the repressions of 1937-1938 are at the same time an anti-corruption company, because in the country building socialism there was no concept of corruption. A simple example in the Criminal Code and the Code of Administrative Offenses time there was no such crime and administrative offense as P.R.O.S.T.T.T.T.U.I., although P. D.O.T.T.T.T.U.T. I.I. as a phenomenon existed, the organizers of the brothel and p.p.o.s.t.i.t.p.i.was going as counter-revolutionaries and the leaders and organizers of the counter-revolutionary organizations ... It was better for party officials to be declared counterfeiters, than corrupt officials ...
    1. Courier
      Courier 10 July 2020 16: 16 New
      +1
      Yes, what are you?
      So how did he clean out corrupt officials for 37 years? Khrushchev would have laughed, and all this Stalinist squad of clean and stalinist corpses that had taken out of the mausoleum
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 10 July 2020 16: 29 New
        -1
        No matter how, under Khrushchev there were more of them, and Brezhnev’s times were just the rise of corruption ... But now it’s much better in this regard ... And not 37 years old ... And there are no spies surrounded by the president ...
  10. Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 10 July 2020 15: 58 New
    +5
    "A year later, without any proceedings, he removed him from his post, executed him, and confiscated his property - so that the next one would be discouraged."
    Ours are not abandoned, but are moved to another position.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 10 July 2020 16: 35 New
      -1
      Peter the Great hung up and chopped his head and whipped with a whip so that the meat flew off the bones. However...
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 11 July 2020 14: 45 New
        +1
        What is "however"? Shouldn't we fight corruption? To punish the corrupt? Are you from United Russia or what? If the punishment does not work, then it should not be canceled, but toughened. With consistent work, corrupt officials will either be re-educated or run out.
      2. Cristall
        Cristall 12 July 2020 22: 46 New
        -4
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Peter the Great hung up and chopped his head and whipped with a whip so that the meat flew off the bones. However...

        It does not help. Nowhere.
        But Peter stole his people and he knew. But knock the crap out of a thieving but reliable hand (Alexashka)
        impossible. A guy from the bottom of Moscow and getting to the money could not stop.
        Here it is necessary to grow the future so that they do not intersect with the past and present and learn the experience of bribery. For it is a vice precisely from the past generation and is transmitted to the future.
        Leforta (by the way, did not beat) Menshikov beat up blood, beat many merchants, executed ..
        There are too few improvements, and there is a lot of blood. In this regard, you need to deal with the root cause and not the consequence.
        With stratification. And awareness of the bribe as bad.
  11. Soko
    Soko 10 July 2020 16: 13 New
    13
    Often, the fight against corruption turns into a search for a "scapegoat"
  12. Radikal
    Radikal 10 July 2020 16: 52 New
    -1
    Where bribe takers live hard: global anti-corruption experience
    And where is "sweet"? Don't want to study? bully
  13. Trotil42
    Trotil42 10 July 2020 17: 04 New
    -2
    Quote: credo
    I wonder what corruption in Russia is so much different from corruption in the United States, France or England. If the example of Biden (USA) with his son, who was arranged for a warm place in Burisma, Margaret Thatcher (England), with her son smeared for illegal deliveries of weapons to hot countries or numerous scandals in France, where presidents, prime ministers and just ministers constantly come across on the fact that they arrange their wives, lovers and lovers in warm places, are not similar shameful facts for you, then yes there it can simply be called employment, but in Russia it is corruption, but in essence it is just profanity and nothing more.

    In the United States, corruption is not a systemic factor in state governance. Remember Yeltsin’s catch phrase ... if I plant all the thieves, then with whom will I stay? Well, I will give examples .. Who would build the Crimean bridge, if not Rottenberg’s office? The state order was handed over to him without bidding. The Olympics ... remember how Putin’s eyes widened when he found out the cost of the springboard .. The road to Skolkovo for 8 lard ... East, etc. The fact is that the government is not able to fulfill its functions without corruption .. Deliveries of weapons, secretaries are trifles ..
  14. +5
    +5 10 July 2020 17: 08 New
    0
    All the elites of all countries are very free to handle what has been considered a common property for as early as 3-4 thousand years ... And "corruption" at this level emerges only during inter-elite squabbles.
    Another thing is grassroots corruption ... If the elites are settled, then they do not allow younger stewards and other grooms to steal.
    Singapore is a key point in world trade and finance, the owners of this offshore, of course, make sure that footmen of various levels, including their president’s boss, do not rattle ... But I think that the Russians will not like a fine of a few hundred bucks for a cigarette butt
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 10 July 2020 17: 49 New
      0
      ... or severed hands (posted under the banner, “So we fight corruption) of the traffic police inspector at the police department.”
      Will not work ???
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 10 July 2020 18: 32 New
        +1
        Eliminate corruption in a single traffic police can be instantly and irrevocably. How? Yes, it’s very simple: stop negotiating with the inspector. For any reason, despite the pressure and set-ups (yeah - civil courage) But this is from the realm of fiction: it’s more convenient for many to agree on the spot. That is, this corruption is mutually beneficial. And in the same way in many other areas.
        1. depressant
          depressant 10 July 2020 21: 55 New
          +3
          And it seems to me that it is necessary to create laws that are unambiguously understood and certainly enforceable. And do not produce idiotic.
          Here's an example.
          Issue a law that you can not smoke on the stairwells and on the porch of the entrance. They smoked and sometimes even smoke. Just a lot less often and secretly. But not because they are afraid of the law, although they know about it, but because there is a massive propaganda of a healthy lifestyle directed against smoking, terrible pictures on packs of cigarettes. Some smokers do not care about their health, but non-smokers sharply worried about their health under the influence of propaganda, began to growl at smokers, actively resent, protest. And even in large numbers they made rude, insulting remarks, I remember, right on the street. That is, the necessary public opinion has formed. As a result, now you will not see a smoker on the street - they are shy, and before all the cigarettes in their teeth were clamped. And even more so you will not see a teenager with a cigarette. Maybe where it is, but not in our village ...
          Thus, the law was superfluous, propaganda of the rules of conduct was important - it is there, and smoking has become much less, smokers no longer annoy non-smokers.
          And now - about corruption as a form of theft from the state and people.
          There is no actively formed public opinion against it in the country. Yes, indeed, public opinion cannot defeat corruption. But corruption, in the absence of such an opinion, even in the presence of a massive application of laws against it, which, by the way, have a corruption component in themselves, such corruption is an arrogant, open, unbridled feast of sharks, exposing the stolen wealth to a general display - in the form of palace complexes, luxurious apartments, supernaturally expensive cars, blog posts about marvelous weddings, balls, etc. Under the ill-concealed enthusiastic admiration of the press and especially the blogosphere. Under an advertisement that tells about the heavenly delights of life, for which you can never earn by honest labor. The rare exclamations of instant indignation are drowned in the general rapturous roar of those who envy. And now not very wealthy people climb out of their skin, but directly into bonded credit and not alone, to resemble one or another corrupt official. And the president is silent. Sands is silent. The lights of democracy and liberalism are silent. And none of the above will open their mouths and exclaim: "People, dear ones, stop! What you are trying to imitate is immoral and vulgar!" As a result, they are planted, and admiration for immorality and vulgarity in the form of ecstatic horror finds direct paths to the human subconscious, to the dark depths of the soul that almost every person has. One listing of the confiscated wealth from all these good ones is worth something! And such a watch and such, and such a luxury item and such. And the gold is so much different! This is instead of disclosing only the total amount stolen, capable of sobering up and causing natural anger. In such an atmosphere of tolerance and envy, corruption cannot be defeated. Never.
  15. vavilon
    vavilon 10 July 2020 18: 49 New
    +2
    How can corruption fight corruption?
    As the “old man” once advised Ukrainians in the fight against corruption: you need to shoot the entire sovereign power, and for all those who came to their funeral and the problem is solved
  16. mark2
    mark2 10 July 2020 20: 26 New
    +2
    I repeat the truth: the severity of laws is offset by the non-bindingness of their implementation.
    Today's Criminal Code allows you to transplant all bribe takers, but this requires will. And do not respond to the groans of the liberdas that repression has begun again.
  17. iouris
    iouris 10 July 2020 20: 27 New
    +1
    Corruption is an eternal tool for colonization. A colonized state is not a state, because domestic law is not enforced.
  18. Cowbra
    Cowbra 10 July 2020 21: 04 New
    0
    Slope.
    The problem now is not in bribes. Transnational corporation
  19. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 10 July 2020 21: 19 New
    0
    Mr. Haraluzhny pleasantly surprised hi
  20. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 10 July 2020 21: 45 New
    +1
    At the highest level of government, where bribes start from 500.000 evergreens - I think: corruption can never be defeated - because when the "price" of one bribe is equal to the cost of "living" in the most luxurious conditions, there will always be "risky little ones" wassat

    But as for the lower and middle level of "bribe takers" - here the laws should simply work and there should be a fair trial - that's all !!! good When are bribes being brought at, so to speak, "grassroots"? When bureaucrats refuse to do what they are supposed to do according to their duties ... That is when there will be such a situation when NOT obeying the law will be equal to going to prison - then they will stop wearing bribes and they will stop taking bribes. stop
  21. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 10 July 2020 22: 49 New
    +3
    The trouble is that our society is so regulated that it hits our most basic class / those hard workers who do not live in Moscow and the Ministry of Defense does not pay them /. T.N. "middle class" with a salary of 17.000, although to call it the middle ... ---- this must be either a completely cynical lump or not to enjoy the situation with financial security VOSCHE! Had the applicant of this slogan lived for 17.000 rubles and proudly declared after all the utilities and payments that I’m a middle class - a comfortable ward of a fool and vigilant supervision of professors, such an applicant would have been provided. But if the first said so, then not everything so unambiguous wassat
  22. unknown
    unknown 10 July 2020 23: 07 New
    0
    I.V. Stalin is largely a mythical character.
    V.I. Lenin - a mirage.
    Researchers identify EIGHT different "Lenins" on the surviving photographs and films.
    And Lee Kuan Yew is real.
    FORTY YEARS it took him to rid Singapore of corruption.
    And we are our TWENTY YEARS about ... whether.
  23. Radikal
    Radikal 11 July 2020 00: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Radikal
    Where bribe takers live hard: global anti-corruption experience
    And where is "sweet"? Don't want to study? bully

    Did I understand correctly that the bribe-takers threw the "sticks"? Who would doubt that we have this audience on our site, because they are for ... amendments, and everything else ... for them. sad wassat lol tongue
  24. ugrums1961
    ugrums1961 11 July 2020 01: 29 New
    -1
    Well, you are sure that all these measures will help, I'm not sure. And what to do with the cooperative "Lake", and the members of the former judo school, and the porphelenositsa 93-95, and the former guard of Sobchak's daughter, the fish has rotted from the head. What can we say about corruption now?
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 11 July 2020 23: 10 New
      0
      this is what you are doing .. as if there was no corruption under the tsars, priests and general secretaries ... another sketch? so is it better here
  25. barium
    barium 11 July 2020 10: 07 New
    0
    President of Russia, will not give offense to his friends !!!
  26. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 11 July 2020 23: 09 New
    +1
    look, if you take the Singapore principle of presumption of guilt of an official so-called, and two declarations of our officials income and expenses, and not only him, but also his wife, 18-year-old children, mother-in-law, brother-in-law’s father-in-law .. this is the answer ... how much he made illegal, explain, work hard, no .. free, kick in hand and go
    1. unknown
      unknown 12 July 2020 08: 54 New
      0
      Correct principle: Power must be separated from property, and property from power.
      You are either an official or a Jew (banker, businessman).
      For officials, most precisely in the sovereign service, no foreign citizenship, and actual residence, no property and accounts abroad. No commercial activity.
      The same for relatives of the first stage of inheritance: parents, spouses, children.
      Inheritance abroad is limited, with the exception of countries originally included in the USSR.
      Plus, the European anti-corruption principle of the presumption of guilt of civil servants: not exceeding expenses over incomes.
      1. unknown
        unknown 12 July 2020 09: 01 New
        0
        Political correctness of the site goes through the roof.
        The word "Jew" in ancient languages ​​is consonant with the word "Aryan", and has one meaning - "man".
        "Europe" is a country, from the word "side" of "Jews", that is, people.
        Originally, the word "Ж.ИД."
        The word is unpleasant, but has nothing to do with nationality or religion.
        With this word, at first they called usurers, then bankers, and then all the people who made their fortunes illegally.
        Even President Putin uses the word "boy", and its meaning is extremely indecent.
        1. agond
          agond 13 July 2020 09: 58 New
          0
          Quote: ignoto
          The word "Jew" in ancient languages ​​is consonant with the word "Aryan", and has one meaning - "man".

          Questions
          A Jew is always and everywhere inclined to hide his nationality ... who knows, tell me why?
          In terms of bribes and corruption, in general, any entrepreneur in our country is not a model of virtue and their very activity is aimed at making profit, and profit as such is possible only with unequal exchange of goods, there is even a saying "buy rubles for dimes", and for the sake of profit they go to a lot, including getting advantages through bribes, and an official argues why he should live worse than an entrepreneur (not the best member of society), and indeed why?
      2. bulava
        bulava 16 July 2020 10: 19 New
        0
        Jew? What does nationality have to do with it?
  27. CBR600
    CBR600 13 July 2020 10: 23 New
    0
    Under feudal rule, the sovereign to war, or whatever he wanders there, simply demanded loot from his close ones. It’s hard to see the treasury. And those who did not agree, disgraced, with the deprivation of everything. Today, this is an arrest.
    You just confuse corruption as a system and the current system. Forgot where we live? World experience, bg =) They made fun of me for the whole working day.
  28. BAI
    BAI 14 July 2020 17: 17 New
    0
    Our corruption fighters need to go to study not in Singapore and Europe, but in Georgia. To study how Saakashvili instantly corrupted police corruption.
  29. GERIX_2
    GERIX_2 12 August 2020 07: 55 New
    0
    In Russia, steal as much as you want. If you are a friend of the president, then there is no need to steal, you will be a multimillionaire, or a billionaire.
  30. Woland
    Woland 23 September 2020 10: 39 New
    0
    “Presumptions of corruption guilt” as in Singapore is certainly an effective way, but not the only one. The Chinese method should be added to it. But it is IMPOSSIBLE to completely eradicate corruption!