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Indonesia plans to discuss a contract for Russian Su-35 fighters

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Indonesia plans to discuss a contract for Russian Su-35 fighters

Indonesian Defense Minister Lieutenant General Prabovo Subianto intends to visit Moscow in the near future to discuss the purchase of Russian Su-35 fighters. This was reported by the Russian ambassador to Indonesia Lyudmila Vorobyeva at a briefing for the Indonesian media.


Reportedly, the contract for Indonesia's purchase of 11 Russian Su-35 fighters has not been canceled and will be implemented in the near future. For negotiations on a contract in Moscow, the Minister of Defense of the country, Prabovo Subianto, is gathering.

It should be noted here that Subianto has already made a working visit to Moscow on June 23 as an honored guest at the celebrations dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the Great Victory. During the visit, he held talks with Deputy Minister of Defense Colonel General Alexander Fomin. During the negotiations, the parties discussed issues of bilateral relations and cooperation in various fields, including education, joint training and cooperation in the defense industry, but the issue of the Su-35 was not discussed.

Recall that the contract for the acquisition by Indonesia of 11 Su-35 fighters was signed on February 14, 2018 in Jakarta. The contract value is $ 1,154 billion, of which 50% ($ 570 million) is covered by counter deliveries of Indonesian goods (which actually should not have been delivered to Russia, but sold on the international market).

The Ministry of Defense of Indonesia originally planned that the first two Su-35s should be delivered to the country in August 2019 - by the Day of the Armed Forces (October 5). The remaining nine cars were planned to be transferred later in two batches of four and five units by February 2020 and by July 2020.

In March this year, Bloomberg, citing sources in the US White House administration, reported that Indonesia had refused to purchase Russian Su-35 fighters. The reason for this was called American pressure and the threat of sanctions against Jakarta. However, Russia did not receive official notice from Jakarta about the termination of the contract, although the Russian aircraft industry recognized that the "contract was suspended."
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  1. seti
    seti 9 July 2020 15: 26
    +5
    The hegemon weakened his knees and began to shrug, and those who used to have a formidable shout straightened their shoulders. Well - we also need this contract.
  2. prior
    prior 9 July 2020 15: 27
    -3
    "of which 50% ($ 570 million) is covered by counter deliveries of Indonesian goods"

    And maybe enough palm oil?
    1. seti
      seti 9 July 2020 15: 33
      +9
      Quote: prior
      "of which 50% ($ 570 million) is covered by counter deliveries of Indonesian goods"

      And maybe enough palm oil?

      The contract value is $ 1,154 billion, of which 50% ($ 570 million) is covered by counter deliveries of Indonesian goods (which actually should not have been delivered to Russia but sold on the international market).

      Read everything and not selectively .. This topic has been frayed so many times.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 9 July 2020 15: 40
        +3
        Well, palm oil is covered - when it was completely banned in the EU. Therefore, they began to search further for options, pick up a basket of spices. However, Indonesia is the world's largest producer of cardamom, cloves and other relatively mass spices, and if you drop twice as much cardamom into the markets, there will be no exhaust either (prices will collapse, and you don’t need so much). Plus, if palm oil can be stored efficiently, without loss of goods, subject to rules and regulations, relatively cheap, and then sold at market peak prices, then spices are not stored like that.
        1. KCA
          KCA 9 July 2020 16: 02
          +3
          Do not read liberal stuffing on the Internet before breakfast, or read carefully, no one in the EU has banned and will not ban palm oil, they only discuss issues related to quality control, and they discuss only for pro forma, to please the public, the ban will completely ruin the EU, to replace what do you suggest? Canola and sunflower? So they leave for biofuel, olive? It will be a little expensive, well, if only a machine one, right?
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 9 July 2020 16: 28
            +7
            I put it a little incorrectly - they introduced new standards for procurement, from which Malaysia and Indonesia are bombed.

            Indonesia threatens EU to tighten palm oil criteria
            Indonesia may ban several European exports in response on toughening the EU restrictions on the use of palm oil.

            The country is considering the possibility of restricting the procurement of goods in the European Union as a step to protect the interests of almost 20 million people, said Indonesian Marine Coordinating Minister Luhut Panjaitan.

            Malaysia wants to cancel purchases of European aircraft due to EU refusal of palm oil
            "We can retaliate, if they do not want to buy our palm oil. Then we do not need to buy their products too... I have just returned from Pakistan, where the national parade was taking place, and saw some impressive aerobatics of Chinese fighters there. "

            “If we need to buy a fighter jet, we have to look at those made in China and we will buy them. I think that Chinese technology is not so bad or even better than Western technology. That is why the West got scared and banned Chinese goods, they want to stop goods from China as well as palm oil. "

            “If they do that, we will suffer losses, and then we will buy Chinese fighters. This can be done because the EU has unjustly stopped our palm oil in order to protect its domestic market, and they continue to take measures in an attempt to make us poor", - said Prime Minister Mahathir.

            The Prime Minister spoke at the launch of the "Love My Palm Oil" campaign at the Sime Darby plantations in Pulau Cary.

            In such circumstances, pushing a large batch of Indonesian oil into the markets is very difficult or at bargain prices.
    2. mitrich
      mitrich 9 July 2020 16: 57
      -3
      This is you, I think so. And our huckster, no. If the contract is being implemented, I wonder where else our businessmen will begin to shove palm oil. What products? Or start pouring it into the engines? Like father, who made solid oil from milk. When we were against him, during the next phase of the transition from love to war, we imposed quiet sanctions and ceased to allow milk to our market.
    3. venik
      venik 9 July 2020 17: 41
      -9
      Quote: prior
      And maybe enough palm oil?

      ========
      Do not like it - do not eat!
    4. ork_333
      ork_333 9 July 2020 18: 58
      -8
      Or maybe it's worth starting to find out what happens palm oil? Or is it enough that flows from the zombie’s ears?
    5. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 9 July 2020 20: 03
      -6
      He has not yet been given ... why is it enough?
      1. Zik256x
        Zik256x 10 July 2020 11: 47
        0
        Quote: Zaurbek
        He has not yet been given ... why is it enough?

        Not allowed ? Already flowing river! I work in the port, ship vegetable oil for export by tankers, and unload the imported one - palm. And this has been going on for a couple of years.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 10 July 2020 15: 36
          -1
          But not under this contract ..... but this is a normal food product.
  3. paul3390
    paul3390 9 July 2020 15: 27
    11
    It is interesting - if these products should be sold on the international market, then there is a demand for them? Why then not the Indonesians to sell them themselves and pay with us money? Gives some kind of gooey shnyaga .. It seems - all this palm oil will go to Russia and eat it for us ..
    1. mdsr
      mdsr 9 July 2020 16: 03
      +1
      Quote: paul3390
      It seems - all this palm oil will go to Russia and eat it - for us ..

      If it could have been before, today there can be no doubt about it. Today there is no problem producing palm oil. The problem is once again in insufficient demand. The EU and the US are steadily reducing palm oil consumption, choosing the path of complete abandonment by 2030. Accordingly, the market is narrowing. And Russia just once a year increases consumption. The main consumers of this poison are food industry enterprises. The owners of Russia for the sake of profit without batting an eye once again sacrifice several hundred thousand lives of citizens. In fact, there is a genocide of Russian citizens. At this time, some Putriots are jumping with happiness, learning about the next exchange of high-tech equipment for palm oil. You personally import this palm oil for your family and at least eat it from a dipper if you want, but don’t dare to slip this muck into my products! am
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 9 July 2020 18: 12
        -4
        and in my products do not dare to palm off this muck!

        Question:
        Do you eat exclusively organic food? Do you grow fruits and vegetables, cereals, cattle and poultry and other products yourself, or do you get from a 100% reliable source?
        Hardly.
        Therefore, you have been using palm oil for many, many years.
        Notice the deterioration of health? Conducted a study, and can you say with confidence that your various sores are associated specifically with palm oil and other chemistry in the products?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 9 July 2020 19: 46
          +2
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Notice the deterioration of health?

          Personally, I notice.
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Conducted a study, and can you say with confidence that your various sores are associated specifically with palm oil, and other chemistry in the products?

          And what kind of research? Can you highlight?
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 9 July 2020 20: 00
            -9
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            notice

            And what kind of research?

            But how, in this case, you can be sure that the reason for the deterioration of your health is palm oil, and not an unhealthy lifestyle?
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 9 July 2020 20: 18
              +4
              Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
              But how, in this case, you can be sure that the reason for the deterioration of your health is palm oil, and not an unhealthy lifestyle?

              Yes, I’m sure, that's all, if only because before the massive deliveries of this garbage to Russia (about the middle of zero), I had a similar lifestyle.
              1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Sidor Amenpodestovich 9 July 2020 20: 32
                -9
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Yes, I’m sure, that's all

                Clear. Blessed is he who believes! It is easy for him in the world, for besides faith he does not need anything else.
      2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 9 July 2020 20: 53
        -7
        I will ask you one more question, but it became interesting well right up to impossibility.
        You personally import this palm oil for your family and at least eat it from a dipper if you want, but don’t dare to slip this muck into my products!

        But the fact that? Well, what will you do if "they" continue to slip this stuff on you?

        How terrible you are, hehe! You yourself are not funny? However, apparently not. Well, okay.
  4. iouris
    iouris 9 July 2020 15: 31
    0
    Dap is it worth "discussing"?
  5. Shraik
    Shraik 9 July 2020 15: 39
    -2
    Quote: paul3390
    It is interesting - if these products should be sold on the international market, then there is a demand for them? Why then not the Indonesians to sell them themselves and pay with us money? Gives some kind of gooey shnyaga .. It seems - all this palm oil will go to Russia and eat it for us ..

    He would have been bought that way. Almost all palm oil confectionery. I also don’t like paying in this way. But it’s better to be so than not to buy Dryers at all.
    1. mdsr
      mdsr 9 July 2020 16: 12
      0
      Quote: Shraik
      I also don’t like paying in this way. But it’s better to be so than not to buy Dryers at all.

      An interesting approach. That is, you are ready to eat poison. And if tomorrow customers of banana countries instead of money offer to pay for feces and other waste of their life, calling this substance useful fertilizers, then you will also be FOR?
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 9 July 2020 15: 44
    -2
    Let's wait and see. Different things are happening in the world, and quite unexpected can happen!
  7. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 9 July 2020 16: 18
    +2
    A sho and cloves are possible? request

    Then....
    Announcement: I need to hastily at least Su 25, shoot at my parliament. I promise to plant as much carnations and pay regularly .... good
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 9 July 2020 19: 52
      -1
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      I need hastily at least Su 25 to shoot at my parliament.

      Nadya from Nezalezhnaya also tried the "pilot" this morning. The truth is just a mortar. From the next roof. It turned out only on the bunks to eat the vast stern ... request
  8. Eldorado
    Eldorado 9 July 2020 16: 31
    -1
    Indonesians are becoming Indians.
  9. Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 9 July 2020 16: 38
    -2
    They can start such a rumor to bring down the price of other weapons suppliers. On the other hand, before creating the KF-X, it’s a stone's throw, why rush?
  10. Pavel57
    Pavel57 9 July 2020 16: 41
    -2
    Indonesia would be better suited double Dryers.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 9 July 2020 16: 51
      +2
      They have them. The basis of the Indonesian Air Force Su-30 and F-16.



      1. Pavel57
        Pavel57 9 July 2020 16: 57
        -1
        So it was necessary to increase the Su-30, maybe with a new radar, this option was offered to the Indians.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 9 July 2020 17: 18
          +7
          They have a best friend - Malaysia (another palm king). There Su-30MKM + residual live MiG + Hornets. They have a local arms race. Malaysia is now choosing a new aircraft to replace the MiGs for a qualitative strengthening of its air force - among the Super Hornets applicants, the Europeans fell away due to the infringement of the palm tree, J-10/11 / JF-17b3. Indonesia wants quality and guaranteed excellence.



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  12. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 9 July 2020 17: 03
    -2
    Now there are few products without palm oil. There, ordinary bread (brick), there is also palm oil.
    Muck of course, but nowhere to go.
  13. Lebed
    Lebed 9 July 2020 17: 07
    +8
    If the contract grows together, it’s good in any case. And under any conditions. Because the Russian Federation will still take this oil / spices (somewhere), even without selling the Su-35.
  14. senima56
    senima56 9 July 2020 17: 26
    -1
    These "guys" already once "were going to buy" .... but then they overplayed! fool So be careful take it off! hi
  15. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 9 July 2020 18: 58
    -1
    where did the poor country have such grannies armed, of course the population is poor
    1. iouris
      iouris 10 July 2020 11: 35
      0
      Indonesia is not a poor country (PPP GDP for 2017 amounted to 3,243 trillion US dollars - 7th place in the world), and its prospects (according to some estimates) are brighter.
  16. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 9 July 2020 19: 46
    -2
    Indonesia plans to discuss a contract for Russian Su-35 fighters.

    Cleaner than the Indians, the dances dance.
  17. Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto 9 July 2020 21: 14
    +2
    Quote: donavi49
    Well, palm oil is covered - when it was completely banned in the EU. Therefore, they began to search further for options, pick up a basket of spices. However, Indonesia is the world's largest producer of cardamom, cloves and other relatively mass spices, and if you drop twice as much cardamom into the markets, there will be no exhaust either (prices will collapse, and you don’t need so much). Plus, if palm oil can be stored efficiently, without loss of goods, subject to rules and regulations, relatively cheap, and then sold at market peak prices, then spices are not stored like that.


    yes, and the need for palm oil is several times (tens or hundreds) times more ... well, of course, lackeys will eat everything ...
  18. DPN
    DPN 9 July 2020 21: 17
    0
    useful occupation, work for Russian factories which may be more useful.
  19. ZVS
    ZVS 10 July 2020 11: 47
    0
    I feel that the Russian people will never get rid of Indonesian palm oil.