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The National Interest praised the prospects of the Russia-Japan dispute over the Kuril Islands

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The American magazine The National Interest published an article on the prospects for resolving the long-standing dispute between Japan and Russia on the ownership of the South Kuril Islands.


The author of the article, teacher and researcher at the International Laboratory on World Order Studies and the New Regionalism, Olga Puzanova, is convinced that the Kuril debate has a toxic effect on Russian-Japanese relations. Comparing the Kuril problem with Russian-Chinese territorial disputes, she concludes that there are fundamental differences in relations between Russia and Japan and Russia and China.

Unlike Japan, China is not the closest ally of the United States, and the resolution of territorial disputes with China is not an attempt to revise the outcome of World War II, to which Moscow has always been very painful.

The rather tough, nationalistic position of the Japanese leadership also plays its role. Tokyo, despite Moscow’s willingness to compromise, argues that it is necessary to recognize Japanese sovereignty over all four islands, and the two islands must be immediately transferred to the Japanese side. Such a sharp position of Japan more than once led to the failure of Russian-Japanese negotiations.

However, now Russia is calling for the development of closer bilateral relations with Japan, which, according to Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, will create an atmosphere of mutual trust that will set the stage for further resolution of the territorial dispute. The most interesting thing is that for both Russia and Japan, improving bilateral relations is very useful: both countries are interested in having counterbalances not only to American, but also Chinese influence in East Asia.

Perhaps if Japan becomes more independent in its foreign policy from the United States, it will soon be able to convince Moscow of the security of the model for resolving the territorial dispute on which it insists.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 9 July 2020 18: 35 New
    43
    Again, Murzilka talks about War and Peace thoughtfully.
    Tokyo, despite Moscow’s willingness to compromise, argues that it is necessary to recognize Japanese sovereignty over all four islands, and the two islands must be immediately transferred to the Japanese side.

    Especially for those concerned about the constitution, an amendment was introduced in order to shorten the handicrafts to any Russian Khrushchev, Medvedev and Shevarnadzs to shorten Russian land / shelf for trading.
    So that "from a dead donkey ears" Japs, not the Kuril Islands!
    1. Vestovoi
      Vestovoi 9 July 2020 18: 49 New
      -9
      Quote: Victor_B
      Especially for those concerned about the constitution, an amendment was introduced in order to shorten the handicrafts to any Russian Khrushchev, Medvedev and Shevarnadzs to shorten Russian land / shelf for trading.
      So that "from a dead donkey ears" Japs, not the Kuril Islands!

      All right Petrovich think .. But the Japanese would be torn from the United States! Then it would be possible to talk ao souls for EVERYTHING!
      In the meantime, just like that .. But it's not yet evening hi
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha 9 July 2020 20: 50 New
        23
        The National Interest praised the prospects of the Russia-Japan dispute over the Kuril Islands

        This is a dispute among the Japanese, everything has been decided for a long time - the Kuril Islands is Russia
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 9 July 2020 22: 02 New
          +7
          Russians have no faith in modern Japanese Nazi revenge-seekers in the Kuril Islands and cannot exist in principle!
          Japan, conquered by WWII, even for its war crimes during the war did not even repent to its victims of the peoples of other countries.
          1. bad
            bad 9 July 2020 22: 43 New
            10
            Quote: Tatiana
            Russians have no faith in modern Japanese Nazis-revanchists in the Kuril Islands

            It is also pleasing that our leadership does not make any exemptions in the style of the 90s japam.
          2. Private-K
            Private-K 10 July 2020 08: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: Tatiana
            modern Japanese Nazi revanchists

            No such Japanese Nazis exist. Just the Japanese, in general, are very nationalistic, xenophobic, intolerant.
            Quote: Tatiana
            Japan, conquered by WWII, even for its war crimes during the war did not even repent to its victims of the peoples of other countries.

            Why do you need this "repentance" (tm)? Or do the Chinese need it? This is from the category of emotions. But in "real politics" (tm), something else is important.
            Japan has been in actual occupation for 75 years by the US state and Finintern. Japanese foreign policy, economic and financial structure - are completely subordinate to these two groups and built into their system.
            They are actively trying to channel organic Japanese national brutality (completely legal as an inalienable national property) against the Russian Federation, turning away from really important directions.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 10 July 2020 08: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: Private-K
              No such Japanese Nazis exist.
              Organic Japanese national brutality (completely legal as an integral national property)
              actively trying to channel against the Russian Federation, turning away from really important directions.

              It is you who declare national fascism of Japan "FULLY LEGAL as a national property of the Japanese national brutality" ?!
              So the Germans - the Nazis in the Third Reich - had the same thing! The only difference being that Nazi leaders were convicted and executed, while in Japan they were under the wing of the United States and remained alive and in power.

              These are the crimes of Detachment 731, in your opinion, are nationally LEGAL?!
              These are the war crimes of the Japanese army, in your opinion, are nationally LEGAL?!
              This sexual slavery of foreign women for Japanese soldiers is, in your opinion, nationally LEGAL?!
              REFERENCE
              In South Korean Busan, 3 years ago, a monument was erected to “women for comfort” - Korean women who were forced to work in brothels of the Japanese army during World War II. During the war about 200 thousand women from Korea, China, Taiwan, the Philippines and Indonesia were forced to serve Japanese soldiers. The monument was erected directly opposite the Consulate General of Japan.
              The monument was opened identical to what is already standing in front of the Japanese Embassy in Seoul. ... According to rumors, the dismantling of the monument in Seoul was one of the conditions of the recent agreement between Korea and Japan, however, as far as one can judge now, the Japanese received another monument with a promising construction of the third one in the near future.

              1. Private-K
                Private-K 10 July 2020 09: 20 New
                +1
                You, as usual, demonstrate your inability to correctly read what you read.
                I meant MODERN Japanese, MODERN Japan.
                So, no fascists (tm), Nazis (tm) are not there at all.
                (And those who committed mass crimes during the WWII and before it - in the absolute majority died during the same war. To harbor emotions of international hostility with the demands of national repentance is harmful nonsense. It is suitable in the first years after the Victory, but to wind it through 75 years - stupidity. We must engage in real politics; on the contrary, look for options for cooperation and mutual interest. (This is especially important for Korea and Japan as a systemic Anti-China.))

                Moreover, the level of chauvinism-nationalism-xenophobia-netolerastia (tm) in Japanese men, I believe, is much lower than in Russian men. And in Russians, he is not very tall. Consequently, Japanese is even lower ...
                Moreover, the Japanese generally, mentally OMITTED and, moreover, don't even think to rebel against it - they accepted their defeat and derogatory position in front of the United States and others. "civilized world."
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 10 July 2020 14: 10 New
                  0
                  Quote: Private-K
                  You, as usual, demonstrate your inability to correctly perceive what I read. I meant MODERN Japanese, MODERN Japan.

                  And I’m talking about modern Japan! You yourself will figure it out first, who is now in power in Japan, whose ruling parties are in Japan!
                  As for the Japanese mockery of other nations, the unrepentant national mentality of your "brutal" Japanese people remains today. Just as the Japanese massively slaughtered other nations alive, they will cut again, only give them only free rein!

                  Your "BRUTAL" national mentality among ordinary Japanese is reflected on a subconscious level in the form of fetishism even in the modern fashion of the Japanese, i.e. on a subconscious level in the form of things and images that approve of their past Nazi history as such. Touch Japan again the war of aggression with someone - all the crimes of the Japanese will be repeated again.

                  Modern samurai.
                  1. Dmitry Nikolaevich Fedunov
                    Dmitry Nikolaevich Fedunov 10 July 2020 16: 57 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Quote: Private-K
                    You, as usual, demonstrate your inability to correctly perceive what I read. I meant MODERN Japanese, MODERN Japan.

                    And I’m talking about modern Japan! You yourself will figure it out first, who is now in power in Japan, whose ruling parties are in Japan!
                    As for the Japanese mockery of other nations, the unrepentant national mentality of your "brutal" Japanese people remains today. Just as the Japanese massively slaughtered other nations alive, they will cut again, only give them only free rein!

                    Your "BRUTAL" national mentality among ordinary Japanese is reflected on a subconscious level in the form of fetishism even in the modern fashion of the Japanese, i.e. on a subconscious level in the form of things and images that approve of their past Nazi history as such. Touch Japan again the war of aggression with someone - all the crimes of the Japanese will be repeated again.

                    Modern samurai.

                    In vain you are so "tough" in the Japanese ...))))) I read that after Hiroshima / Nagasaki some of the samurai vowed to take revenge on the Anglo-Saxon gaijins (in the sense that "not straightforward", but like a hundredfold) - 75 years have passed and all the same their "revenge" ocean "will not swim" ...)))))))))) I remember when I heard on the news about 9/11, I thought at first: “Well! Finally! Samurai kept the oath! " (although "small" - comparable to the scale would be the destruction of both booths at Indian Point at the Big Apple), but here they are not!)))))
                    Japs will become dangerous if they suddenly consider that you can hit with impunity.
      2. VO3A
        VO3A 9 July 2020 21: 24 New
        +3
        on the prospects for resolving the long-standing dispute between Japan and Russia on the ownership of the South Kuril Islands.

        But there is no dispute! Wanting the Japanese is not harmful ... The Russian islands ... That's how the trolls slowly drag their Wishlist, and not for free ...
        1. syndicalist
          syndicalist 10 July 2020 08: 27 New
          0
          It is clear that this is not harmful to the Japanese. But why did the Russian Foreign Ministry, over and over again, activate this topic, moreover, without any reason from the Japanese side?
      3. DeKo
        DeKo 10 July 2020 06: 40 New
        0
        Never. Gold of Japan, Germany, Austria are in the USA
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 July 2020 19: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Victor_B
      So that "from a dead donkey ears" to the Japs,

      And this will be a lot to them
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 9 July 2020 19: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Lipchanin
        And this will be a lot to them

        That's enough.
        Do not spoil the horseradish! laughing
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 July 2020 19: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Victor_B
          That's enough.
          Do not spoil the horseradish!

          So I say a lot.
          Live without ears laughing
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 July 2020 20: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: Victor_B
          That's enough.
          Do not spoil the horseradish!

          Someone doesn’t like that few ears were given laughing
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 July 2020 19: 16 New
      +6
      Quote: Victor_B
      Especially for those concerned about the constitution, an amendment was introduced so that all the new Khrushchevs, Medvedevs, and Shevarnadzas would be able to shorten the little hands to trade Russian land / shelf

      Once again, but only another answer
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 9 July 2020 20: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine

        Once again, but only another answer

        They will not understand this answer. If you want to achieve mutual understanding from them, use gestures generally accepted in international communication. For example, the middle finger.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 July 2020 21: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: Nagan
          They will not understand this answer.

          Let them learn to understand
          Use gestures generally accepted in international communication. For example, the middle finger.

          And they need to show "To the elbow"
          Let them study.
          A finger is a purely meager gesture
          And think about why they show one finger, and we are on the elbow laughing
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 9 July 2020 22: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Nagan
          For example, the middle finger.

          Finely, for them it is better to show the right arm bent, and the left on the right in the elbow, and the right to pound up and down. Tested, in almost all countries of the world where I have been, everyone understood clearly, acted.
        3. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 10 July 2020 00: 55 New
          +4
          Quote: Nagan
          They will not understand this answer.

          Japanese? They will even understand. Well-known gesture in Japan. This is how a prostitute invites a client lol
          With minimal erudition, it’s hard not to know lol
          1. Dmitry Nikolaevich Fedunov
            Dmitry Nikolaevich Fedunov 10 July 2020 17: 04 New
            0
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            Quote: Nagan
            They will not understand this answer.

            Japanese? They will even understand. Well-known gesture in Japan. This is how a prostitute invites a client lol
            With minimal erudition, it’s hard not to know lol

            Yes, yes! I read about it in the novel "Port Arthur" by Stepanova, when the plot gene. Stessel decided to write down a rejection of the Japanese proposal to surrender the fortress by depicting "figs!"
    4. Terenin
      Terenin 9 July 2020 19: 23 New
      10
      The National Interest praised the prospects of the Russia-Japan dispute over the Kuril Islands

      Why did these storytellers get the idea that Russia is arguing with someone over some territories?
      With Japan, Russia only speaks
      on the development of closer bilateral relations
      and all!
    5. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 9 July 2020 19: 26 New
      -3
      Victor_B (Victor Petrovich)
      Especially for those concerned about the constitution, an amendment was introduced in order to shorten the handicrafts to any Russian Khrushchev, Medvedev and Shevarnadzs to shorten Russian land / shelf for trading.
      Are you sure about that? Have you read the amendment? There is such a cunning clause about demarcation and delimitation, under which anything can be brought, from the Kuril Islands to Kaliningrad.
      1. nPuBaTuP
        nPuBaTuP 9 July 2020 20: 28 New
        0
        There is such a cunning clause about demarcation and delimitation, under which anything can be brought, from the Kuril Islands to Kaliningrad.

        Said A, speak B ....
        give the amendment with the clause ......
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 9 July 2020 21: 32 New
          10
          nPuBaTuP (Nikolay)
          Said A, speak B ....
          give the amendment with the clause ......
          Yes, no question ... If you yourself are too lazy to dig into the internet, then you will get those:
          Article 67 (as amended).

          1. The territory of the Russian Federation includes the territories of its constituent entities, inland waters and the territorial sea, and the airspace above them. In the territory of the Russian Federation, federal territories may be created in accordance with federal law. The organization of public authority in the federal territories is established by the specified federal law.

          2. The Russian Federation enjoys sovereign rights and exercises jurisdiction on the continental shelf and in the exclusive economic zone of the Russian Federation in the manner determined by federal law and international law.

          2.1. The Russian Federation protects its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Actions (with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states) aimed at alienating part of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions, are not allowed.

          3. The boundaries between the subjects of the Russian Federation may be changed with their mutual consent.

          A few terms for clarity (boring, but necessary to get to the bottom of the matter).

          FEDERAL TERRITORY - in a federal state, a territory that is not part of the subject of the federation, which is directly controlled by the federal bodies or persons appointed by them.

          Border delimitation - the contractual definition of the border line and its drawing on the map with a detailed description of its passage along specific natural or artificially chosen landmarks and characteristic features of the terrain.

          Border demarcation– designation (establishment of special border signs) of the border line on the ground in accordance with the delimitation agreement.
          I specially singled out for you, the main message "EXCEPT ...". What is not clear? And it says “actions are not allowed”, and why not write “FORBIDDEN”? Do not the gentlemen of the Zaputinians seem to think that somewhat different concepts are not allowed and prohibited in the Russian language?

          P.S. The minus members themselves read this amendment? And if you read, then what am I wrong? Or cons from a big "love" personally to my humble person?
          1. krillon
            krillon 9 July 2020 22: 35 New
            +1
            Never mind. Some of the 75% who voted in favor are here. And their hopes should not be questioned. Think? What for? The giraffe is big, he knows better.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 9 July 2020 23: 08 New
            -1
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            P.S. The minus members themselves read this amendment? And if you read, then what am I wrong?

            Are right. That's what the Japanese write
            - Sankei Shimbun (Japan): Putin proposes constitutional amendments to the State Duma. Are the “northern territories” excluded from the list of “inalienable” objects?

            - Toyo Keizai (Japan): amendments to the Russian Constitution and prospects for negotiations on the "northern territories"
          3. bukyak84
            bukyak84 10 July 2020 01: 31 New
            0
            As far as one can judge, the concept of "demarcation" refers specifically to the DISPUTED BORDER territories ... DISPUTE !! .... smokers, like Sakhalin and Kamchatka, are NOT disputed territories, moreover, these are all subjects of the Russian Federation and respectively, cannot be torn away ....
            After all, you yourself put this into the quote)) ...... I understand, I so want to wash the experts, and even less so for Putin ...)
          4. Svarog
            Svarog 11 July 2020 22: 35 New
            -1
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            P.S. The minus members themselves read this amendment? And if you read, then what am I wrong? Or cons from a big "love" personally to my humble person?

            They sculpt cons for the truth .. they have been poked in the face with these amendments for two months now, but they don’t know how to read roofing felts, they refuse to understand roofing felts ..
    6. Terenin
      Terenin 9 July 2020 19: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Victor_B
      So that "from a dead donkey ears" Japs, not the Kuril Islands!

      Well, Victor Petrovich, winked I have to translate for a tolerant audience - "an ironic refusal to request or demand - an offer to get something completely unnecessary in return stop .
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 9 July 2020 19: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Terenin
        "an ironic refusal of a request or demand - an offer to get something completely unnecessary in return"

        In other words - to hell with you, not a medal!
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 9 July 2020 21: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Victor_B
          Quote: Terenin
          "an ironic refusal of a request or demand - an offer to get something completely unnecessary in return"

          In other words - to hell with you, not a medal!

          Caution with promises. The Japanese are wildly naive people and believe almost everything yes
    7. iouris
      iouris 9 July 2020 19: 56 New
      11
      Quote: Victor_B
      Especially for those concerned about the constitution, an amendment was introduced

      In the USSR there was a constitution and a referendum for the preservation of the USSR was held. So it was not only changed, but also completely canceled. National history. (Bank Imperial.)
    8. xnumxangel
      xnumxangel 9 July 2020 20: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Victor_B
      Again, Murzilka talks about War and Peace thoughtfully.
      Tokyo, despite Moscow’s willingness to compromise, argues that it is necessary to recognize Japanese sovereignty over all four islands, and the two islands must be immediately transferred to the Japanese side.

      Especially for those concerned about the constitution, an amendment was introduced in order to shorten the handicrafts to any Russian Khrushchev, Medvedev and Shevarnadzs to shorten Russian land / shelf for trading.
      So that "from a dead donkey ears" Japs, not the Kuril Islands!

      Actually, there is a clarification on the demarcation of borders, and anything can be brought under this matter. And I really do not want this clarification to be applied.
    9. Finches
      Finches 9 July 2020 20: 10 New
      -2
      "You get a hole [narrow-eyed] from a bulik, not Sharapov!" laughing

      PS Now, according to the canons of the genre, God's chosen lawyers should be drawn up and with full seriousness and pathos declare that the Kuril Islands, this is originally Japanese land ... laughing
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 9 July 2020 20: 21 New
        0
        Quote: Finches
        that they smoked, this is originally Japanese land ...

        Like Crimea laughing
    10. BAI
      BAI 9 July 2020 20: 40 New
      +8
      from a dead donkey ears to "Japs, not Kuril Islands!"

      Lavrov has a different opinion:
      According to Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, create an atmosphere of mutual trust, which will pave the way for further resolution of the territorial dispute.

      No one removes the Kuril issue from the agenda. And all promises can be trusted in the same way as promises not to change the Constitution and not to raise the retirement age.
    11. Civil
      Civil 9 July 2020 21: 06 New
      0
      Late, the Constitution is unshakable, has never changed, and the amendment about the land will not allow the next king to sell the Kuril Islands. Checkmate!
    12. Rzzz
      Rzzz 10 July 2020 00: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: Victor_B
      amendment to the constitution

      Ha! Both entered and withdrawn. Or they will accept the amendment to the amendment. Or they will accept the amendment that this time is zero, and therefore it is not considered, but the next time - then certainly no way down.
  2. Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 9 July 2020 18: 37 New
    +5
    Let's wait, when the Japanese do not need islands, at all.
  3. Stalllker
    Stalllker 9 July 2020 18: 42 New
    +6
    Japan’s policy can be scored, not such an important economic and political partner for the Russian Federation
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 9 July 2020 19: 12 New
      -2
      You can score, but you can hit the Yapi to send the American missile defense system to America. bully
  4. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 9 July 2020 18: 45 New
    0
    I recalled the joke "about the dog Sharik and the prospect"))
    If there is no betrayal, then the samurai to Sharik
  5. fn34440
    fn34440 9 July 2020 18: 46 New
    +6
    After July 01, 2020, this issue should be addressed not to The National Interest, but to the New Edition of the Russian Constitution.
    Everything is said there.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 9 July 2020 20: 22 New
      -1
      Quote: fn34440
      Everything is said there.

      So take and leave a huge kodlou of media experts and other magazines without such a bold piece, which was the topic ... fellow These for some time by inertia will be thrown, but only the most repulsed will swallow their nonsense. yes Judging by the absence of references to the "territorial" amendment, this material was squeezed back in June, or the aunt was stupidly unaware of the vote that had taken place in our country. laughing
  6. Junior Warrant Officer
    Junior Warrant Officer 9 July 2020 18: 55 New
    -22
    Japan will fight for the Kuril Islands with China.

    Tell me my friend
    It's not for nothing
    Siberia burned by fire
    Is it given to the Chinese?
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    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 July 2020 19: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Junior Ensign
      Japan will fight for the Kuril Islands with China.

      Perforate
      We will fight for Japan with the Kitam.
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 July 2020 19: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Junior Ensign
      Siberia burned by fire
      Is it given to the Chinese?

  7. Poetry
    Poetry 9 July 2020 18: 55 New
    +2
    Japanese urban! .. As they are tired, slow-witted. Our Kuril Islands. I don’t know how to explain to them on the fingers ?! Fuck you bald, not the Kuril Islands.
  8. rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 9 July 2020 18: 56 New
    +4
    And what is there to ponder, nothing shines on narrow-film ones, and if there is a creep in the Russian government again, then an article for high treason and a peace treaty is also useless, we will continue to live without it
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 July 2020 19: 20 New
      -3
      Quote: rotkiv04
      and the peace treaty is also not fucking needed, we’ll live without it and will continue to live

      Until recently, I didn’t know anything about this agreement.
      I knew that the Japs were not sickly and that’s it. request
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 9 July 2020 19: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Until recently, I didn’t know anything about this agreement.

        Yes, to be honest, they haven’t lost anything no
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 July 2020 19: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: Terenin
          Yes, to be honest, they haven’t lost anything

          So am I about it
          I absolutely drum that defeated Japan does not want to conclude a peace treaty
          Let them continue to “fight” with us like Orcain
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 9 July 2020 20: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Quote: Terenin
            Yes, to be honest, they haven’t lost anything

            So am I about it
            I absolutely drum that defeated Japan does not want to conclude a peace treaty
            Let them continue to “fight” with us like Orcain

            Neither of those, nor of others, the "warriors" have yet to grow up against Russia.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 9 July 2020 21: 04 New
              +2
              Quote: Terenin
              Neither of those, nor of others, the "warriors" have yet to grow up against Russia.

              What are you saying belay
              Orkaina has been fighting with us for 7 years and has been waiting for the invasion all this time.
              It's not me, orcaine wrenches utter several times a month

              1. Terenin
                Terenin 9 July 2020 21: 09 New
                +6
                Quote: Lipchanin
                Orkaina has been fighting with us for 7 years and has been waiting for the invasion all this time.

                fool This is for them to the psychiatrist
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 9 July 2020 21: 24 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Terenin
                  This is for them to the psychiatrist

                  Yes, something mnu tells you that all normal psychiatrists have long run away from there ...
  9. Shadow041
    Shadow041 9 July 2020 19: 02 New
    +5
    As for me, the Russian Federation will live without any problems without any relations with Japan and without Japan in general, and the Kuril Islands are priceless and useful to Russia itself !!!
    1. Clear
      Clear 9 July 2020 20: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: Shadow041
      As for me, the Russian Federation will live without any problems without any relations with Japan and without Japan in general, and the Kuril Islands are priceless and useful to Russia itself !!!

      I read somewhere, - the Russians received the Kuril Islands, and the Americans - the rest of Japan, but not a single Japanese requires the United States to return Japan to Japan ...
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 9 July 2020 20: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Clear
        but not a single Japanese requires the United States to return Japan to Japan ...

        But who will allow him, if in fact Japan is under occupation
        1. Clear
          Clear 9 July 2020 20: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: Clear
          but not a single Japanese requires the United States to return Japan to Japan ...

          But who will allow him, if in fact Japan is under occupation

          But then, how can a proud samurai surrender to anyone?
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 9 July 2020 21: 09 New
            -1
            Quote: Clear
            But then, how can a proud samurai surrender to anyone?

            Yes, it’s strong for me, and for a long time, it seems that samurai is a national legend.
            Well there were some warriors there, but after all, folklore is folklore
            Who besides the Japanese themselves saw them? Like a ninja?
            And most of the martial arts came from Korea and China.
  10. Thrifty
    Thrifty 9 July 2020 19: 05 New
    0
    And if you stop listening to such experts here? The predictors are tired of their delusions! Why not discuss this journal on the topic of land returns to Mexico, Spain, and Russia? I look forward to an article from them about the need for an immediate return to Russia of Alaska and California. ...
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 9 July 2020 19: 26 New
      +4
      Quote: Thrifty
      the need for an immediate return to Russia of Alaska

      About Alaska, it’s you, as you look into the water yes
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 July 2020 19: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      Russia? I look forward to an article from them about the need for an immediate return to Russia of Alaska and California. ...

      Hawaiian Islands
      According to international laws, the country that first discovered an island could set its flag there and declare its property. Russian sailors discovered many islands in the Pacific Ocean, but the policy of the Russian Empire did not aim to acquire overseas territories.

      After the annexation of Siberia and the Far East, the country had no need for additional territories or natural resources. To hold on to what is.

      But the local governor of the Hawaiian Islands, the leader of Kameamea, turned to our country with a request to go under the auspices of Russia. And the famous Russian traveler and discoverer Miklouho-Maclay, who described in detail the northern coast of New Guinea, petitioned for this territory to join the Russian Empire, but it was rejected.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 9 July 2020 19: 27 New
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        When they talk about Russian colonies, the first thing they remember is Alaska. Indeed, once this territory belonged to Russia. But it would be fairer to talk not about Alaska, but about Russian possessions on the American continent. After all, our country owned not only Alaska, but also territories in California. The plans were the development of the entire modern west coast of the United States. But, for example, the lands in the current state of Washington, in the area where Seattle is now located, were the first to capture the Americans.

        Many people remember the Russian fortress Fort Ross in California by the musical "Juno and Avos," which takes place in these places. These possessions were sold to the Mexicans, since Russia could not control them.

        There was also the opportunity to own the island of Tobago in the Caribbean. Previously, it belonged to Courland, a small Baltic duchy. Courland, in order to keep up with European fashion, also acquired colonies. One of them was the island of Tobago, and the second was the island of St. Andrew off the African coast. After the duchy of Courland entered the Russian Empire, these islands were also supposed to become Russian. But shortly before that, Courland gave them to Britain as collateral for loans received.

        Although it is believed that Russia sold Alaska, in fact, it gave it away for free. A vessel with gold intended for payment for Alaska sank on the way from London to St. Petersburg, and the insurance company in which the cargo was insured hastily declared bankrupt. There are suspicions that this was a fraud, and there was no gold on the ship.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 July 2020 19: 28 New
          -3
          After many years of the Northern War with Sweden, Peter the Great undertook a campaign against Persia, modern Iran. The campaign was successful. It was possible to capture Dagestan, Azerbaijan and the southern coast of the Caspian Sea, which today belongs to Iran. But after the death of Peter the Great, the territories of Northern Persia were returned without any compensation, since their retention was considered an onerous occupation.

          Much later, in 1920, the Persian Soviet Republic arose on these lands, having existed for a year.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 9 July 2020 19: 29 New
            -4
            In 1916, a secret agreement was signed between Russia, England and France on the division of the Ottoman Empire, which was an ally of Germany in the First World War. Under the agreement, the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits connecting the Black Sea with the Mediterranean were supposed to depart to Russia. In addition, Eastern Anatolia, which is also called Western Armenia, with access to the Mediterranean Sea would leave for it.

            But in Russia there was a revolution that brought the country out of the number of participants and winners in the First World War, so we did not get the straits.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 9 July 2020 19: 29 New
              -3
              One famous Soviet song sings: "I don’t need the Turkish coast, and I don’t need Africa." And there is. Well, the role of a colonialist does not fit the Russian man. Our values ​​are not based on that.

              By its size, Russia is the largest state in the world. We have rich natural resources and a talented population. It's enough.

              We do not plan conquests, but we do not give our lands to anyone. And if conquerors come to us, they get what they deserve.
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 9 July 2020 19: 54 New
                -1
                Sergey, no offense. How did Russia become the largest state? - if you (the state) do not "eat" a piece or a completely different state or "non-state-formed lands", then they "eat" you already. The Russian peasant always wanted a bigger land allotment - where to get free land? - only those in power didn’t give the "powers that be" to the peasant and the top of the earth - they were afraid as if the peasant "didn’t swim in fat". Russia does not demand from Japan about. Hokaido (without the Japanese) - then Japan itself demands ... In response to the "squeals of Japan" you need to stop buying Japanese goods or goods with the "Japanese brand" - "beat Japan $".
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 9 July 2020 20: 09 New
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                  Quote: cat Rusich
                  . How did Russia become the largest state? - if you (the state) do not "eat" a piece or a completely different state or "non-state-formed lands", then they "eat" you already.

                  Sorry, but in the Russian Empire what was happening in America, India and other colonies did not happen.
                  As in the USSR
                  1. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 9 July 2020 20: 19 New
                    +1
                    Sergey, this is the conversation "who is digesting someone like that" ...
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin 9 July 2020 20: 23 New
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                      Quote: cat Rusich
                      Sergey, this is the conversation "who is digesting someone like that" ...

                      And who is more humane.
                      1. cat Rusich
                        cat Rusich 9 July 2020 20: 27 New
                        +1
                        Sergey, the USSR “ordered to live long” because of the “human” position of the CPSU, they didn’t digest everything that was eaten and “vomited”, and Ukraine passed through the “anus” - they stink.
                      2. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 9 July 2020 20: 38 New
                        -4
                        And we needed these ridges?
                      3. cat Rusich
                        cat Rusich 9 July 2020 20: 50 New
                        +1
                        Sergey, with the help of such "signs" Japan ("living in Russia)" explains "why" she needs to give the Kuril Islands to us (living in Russia). No offense - according to your “tablet”, Sergey Crimea remains in Ukraine ... he is also among the “rebels”. The land needs to be equipped, and this is the "problem" of the OWNER. As an example, your “dacha” is overgrown with “weeds” and on this basis, your “dacha” is taken away by your neighbors ... and they will get to the “Moscow apartment”.
                      4. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 9 July 2020 21: 30 New
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                        Quote: cat Rusich
                        Crimea remains in Ukraine ...

                        He got there by mistake and for a very short time
                        As an example, your “dacha” is overgrown with “weeds” and on this basis, your “dacha” is taken away by your neighbors.

                        In general, residents of the Crimea voted to secede from Ukraine and join the Russian Federation not because of the "weeds"
                      5. cat Rusich
                        cat Rusich 9 July 2020 21: 44 New
                        +1
                        Sergey, so as not to explain for a long time, an example of how the United Kingdom and Ireland "got divorced" in 1921 - Summary in 1921 Ireland went to leave the UK, how to leave? - began to vote for each county (region) separately, as they vote and do so. Six (six) counties voted to leave Britain (the majority of the population are Protestants) - and became Northern Ireland as part of the United Kingdom. Maybe in 6 separately vote for each region, in each SSR - each region votes separately, in the SSR in the amount of 1991 region (for example, the Baltic States and Moldova) vote separately for each district (I hint at the Narva district and Transnistria), but again but RSFSR do not touch !!!
    3. Clear
      Clear 9 July 2020 19: 52 New
      -1
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Russian sailors discovered many islands in the Pacific Ocean

      Quote: Lipchanin
      Miklouho-Maclay, who described in detail the northern coast of New Guinea, requested the accession of this territory to the Russian Empire,

      Quote: Lipchanin
      When talking about Russian colonies, the first thing they remember is Alaska.

      Quote: Lipchanin
      Our country owned not only Alaska, but also territories in California. The plans were the development of the entire modern west coast of the United States.

      Thank you Sergey for the information.
      Now I understand why, being in these territories, I feel at home. Genetic memory is not going anywhere.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 9 July 2020 20: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Clear
        Now I understand why, being in these territories, I feel at home.

        I can not answer the same smile
        I am by nature my homebody.
        I traveled to other cities in the USSR and the Lipetsk region only on business trips smile
        1. Clear
          Clear 9 July 2020 20: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: Clear
          Now I understand why, being in these territories, I feel at home.

          I can not answer the same smile
          I am by nature my homebody.
          I traveled to other cities in the USSR and the Lipetsk region only on business trips smile

          By God, I say, well done our ancestors are discoverers and fearless travelers!
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 9 July 2020 20: 40 New
            +2
            Quote: Clear
            By God, I say, well done our ancestors are discoverers and fearless travelers!

            And this despite the fact that they discovered other lands on such ships and in such conditions ...
            I honestly would not dare to swim on them, let’s say from Simferopol to Sevastopol laughing
            1. Clear
              Clear 9 July 2020 20: 43 New
              +1
              Quote: Lipchanin
              I honestly would not dare to swim on them, let’s say from Simferopol to Sevastopol

              Yeah. Especially scary sea at night. Just scary.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 9 July 2020 20: 50 New
                +2
                Quote: Clear
                Yeah. Especially scary sea at night. Just scary.

                Especially when everything around creaks and pops laughing
              2. Clear
                Clear 9 July 2020 20: 55 New
                +2
                Quote: Lipchanin
                Quote: Clear
                Yeah. Especially scary sea at night. Just scary.

                Especially when everything around creaks and pops laughing

                At night, at some point, it seemed like I was standing at the edge of a huge bottomless pit ...
                How do they live on the islands?
              3. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 9 July 2020 21: 32 New
                +2
                Quote: Clear
                How do they live on the islands?

                Yes, a person can live anywhere. There would be a roof over your head and your beloved woman nearby smile
  • nPuBaTuP
    nPuBaTuP 9 July 2020 20: 36 New
    +2
    Hawaiian Islands

    You contradict yourself ....
    According to international laws, the country that first discovered an island could set its flag there and declare its property.

    Russian sailors discovered many islands ..... but Hawaiian have nothing to do with them ......
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 July 2020 20: 53 New
      0
      But the local governor of the Hawaiian Islands, the leader of Kameamea, appealed to our country with a request to go under the auspices of Russia
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 9 July 2020 19: 05 New
    -6
    our guarantor is irremovable with both the Donbass and the Kuril Islands neither be nor me and yours and ours, but sooner and later you will probably have to make a decision because the partners so respected by him will make
  • fn34440
    fn34440 9 July 2020 19: 05 New
    +2
    As a result of storms and floods and landslides, more than 5 million residents were removed and evacuated in Japan in 2 days.
    And where to put them.? Well, not Okinawa, which the Americans occupied.
  • codetalker
    codetalker 9 July 2020 19: 14 New
    +1
    It’s time for the Japanese to forget the Kuril Islands. After all, there are other islands ...
    For example, Matsmai, which the Japanese call Hokkaido. We can remember and talk about him.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 9 July 2020 19: 27 New
    +2
    “- Tell me, can’t two hundred rubles save a giant of thought?”
    - I think that bargaining is inappropriate here! "(from)
  • harpsichord
    harpsichord 9 July 2020 19: 33 New
    -5
    The Japanese hope that the disputed territories are given to the Chinese. They gave half of the water area with oil and gas to the Norwegians, two Dagestan villages and half of the water intake were given. And to them - figs. To whom we want, to that we give. The GDP has considered everything, and there is no need to tell tales here. It will be necessary - and give Kurilshy, the Constitution in the case can be changed three times a year. it’s not for you to soap.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 9 July 2020 19: 36 New
    +2
    The National Interest praised the prospects of the Russia-Japan dispute over the Kuril Islands

    There is no dispute, there is a shit, complete and final!
    1. harpsichord
      harpsichord 9 July 2020 19: 49 New
      -10
      Well, do not promise - this is not the third term ...
    2. Clear
      Clear 9 July 2020 20: 17 New
      -1
      Quote: rocket757
      The National Interest praised the prospects of the Russia-Japan dispute over the Kuril Islands

      There is no dispute, there is a shit, complete and final!

      So I, as a believer, think that on next Japan's demand to give her the Kuril Islands happened next floods and landslides, not to mention earthquakes.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 July 2020 20: 34 New
        0
        God works in mysterious ways ...
        The introduction of certain legal norms into the constitution inspire some optimism that the squandering of Russian compatriots will stop once and ... this time, at least.
        1. Clear
          Clear 9 July 2020 20: 36 New
          -1
          Quote: rocket757
          Introduction of certain legal norms in the constitution,

          Worse, it definitely won’t.
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  • Andrea
    Andrea 9 July 2020 19: 54 New
    +1
    They did not want to sign the Peace Treaty in the 56th ... and now you sew to you in constitutional order.
    The maximum that they can rely on is sharing, but even in this case they should not be allowed to go there. The Japanese are barbaric to other people's resources.
    In the years when the USSR still could not keep track of the Kamchatka shores, the Japanese blocked the mouths of spawning rivers with nets!
    The local population was starving, and these bastards stupidly processed salmon into fertilizer.
    1. harpsichord
      harpsichord 9 July 2020 19: 59 New
      -10
      Annoying, of course. But in comparison with this - trifles.
      http://realtribune.ru/news/people/4616?utm_source=finobzor.ru
      1. Clear
        Clear 9 July 2020 20: 40 New
        0
        Quote: harpsichord
        http://realtribune.ru/news/people/4616?utm_source=finobzor.ru

        Oh, read the Realist news agency, especially want to impress with the plot of “Poverty at the Gates of Red Square” ... It’s immediately obvious that you love jokes, laughter and jokes.
  • FIR FIR
    FIR FIR 9 July 2020 20: 15 New
    +3
    International Laboratory for the Study of World Order and New Regionalism

    Olga Puzanova is convinced ..

    There are no laboratories in the world ...
    But I am convinced that not only Sakhalin, Kunashir, Iturup, Shikotan and Habomai, but also Hokkaido, Honshu, Kyushu and Shikoku do not belong to the Japanese either. They at one time ousted and destroyed local residents - the Ainu. Can raise this issue?
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 9 July 2020 20: 16 New
    +1
    "The author of the article, teacher and research fellow at the International Laboratory on World Order Studies and the New Regionalism, Olga Puzanova"
    Well, what can I say ... A professor of sour cabbage soup, a self-appointed academician and super-expert somehow leaked past the orderlies and crawled out of the room. A combat duo of cleaners was sent in search. So catch and return within half an hour.
  • BAI
    BAI 9 July 2020 20: 37 New
    -2
    Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov believes that creating an atmosphere of mutual trust that will set the stage for further resolution of the territorial dispute

    Well, what about the famous "reinforced concrete amendment" and hastily introduced criminal liability? The ink on the paper has not yet dried up, and the Foreign Ministry is already preparing to further resolve the dispute. What is the reason for the garden?
  • Clear
    Clear 9 July 2020 20: 46 New
    -1
    The National Interest praised the prospects of the Russia-Japan dispute over the Kuril Islands

    I also appreciated. Conclusion: Japan has no prospects.
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 9 July 2020 20: 57 New
    0
    It's ridiculous! What is the "argument"? There are hoteliers of the Japanese to get the RUSSIAN islands and the unwillingness of the Russian authorities to give them away. True, the Russian authorities respond diplomatically and politely. After the introduction of amendments, we expect a more specific failure!
  • DPN
    DPN 9 July 2020 21: 14 New
    0
    Although to be on the Kuril Islands, for this Japan should precisely become the region of Russia, that's all. Otherwise, there is nothing to talk with the mongrel, and only in the face and the more painful, the better for Russia.
    1. Freemason Mason
      Freemason Mason 10 July 2020 01: 31 New
      0
      Quote: DPN
      Although to be on the Kuril Islands, for this Japan should precisely become the region of Russia, that's all. Otherwise, there is nothing to talk with the mongrel, and only in the face and the more painful, the better for Russia.

      This “mongrel” has a third world economy, one of the highest standards of living, and more scientific achievements than Russia (not to be confused with the USSR). So in vain you are so.

      And for that matter - if Russia hadn’t nuclear weapons, these islands would have been squeezed long ago. Their forces in the Pacific Ocean are significantly superior to ours.
      1. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 10 July 2020 07: 19 New
        0
        Yeah, they are so much stronger than their strength that once they were completely gathered and plundered. Their diplomats packed their bags in Japan, but Fukushima burst out ...
      2. DPN
        DPN 12 July 2020 23: 01 New
        0
        The Russian Federation is a splinter from the USSR, so no comparison, but the Russian Federation got a “nuclear DUBIN” from the USSR and no third economy will help here. You yourself understand that because of this “DUBIN” the Russian Federation does not touch UNTIL YET !! .
  • PValery53
    PValery53 9 July 2020 21: 36 New
    +1
    "... she will soon be able to convince Moscow of the security of the model for resolving the territorial dispute on which she insists."
    - The author is a clear political provocateur. The author, read the new edition of the Russian Constitution, and then everything will become clear in your head! Russia NOW does not trade its territories!
    1. harpsichord
      harpsichord 9 July 2020 21: 42 New
      -5
      But why?
      The Japanese hope that the disputed territories are given to the Chinese. They gave half of the water area with oil and gas to the Norwegians, two Dagestan villages and half of the water intake were given. And to them - figs. To whom we want, to that we give. The GDP has considered everything, and there is no need to tell tales here. It will be necessary - and give Kurilshy, the Constitution in the case can be changed three times a year. it’s not for you to soap.
    2. DPN
      DPN 12 July 2020 23: 06 New
      0
      The Constitution is subject to the Supreme, therefore, it’s as drawbar as it turns and it leaves. It guarantees only a minimum wage.
  • Rostislav
    Rostislav 9 July 2020 22: 16 New
    +2
    Perhaps if Japan becomes more independent in its foreign policy from the United States, it will soon be able to convince Moscow of the security of the model for resolving the territorial dispute on which it insists.

    Don't even hope
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 9 July 2020 22: 46 New
    +1
    As soon as Putin or Lavrov, or whoever else has spoken about the transfer of the islands to the Japanese, he will immediately receive Maidan in Russian. Compared to that, Ukrainian will seem like an easy walk in the park. And no Russian Guard under pressure to disperse the people will save them. And I will be one of the millions who will raise such a government that will distribute Russian lands to the forks.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 9 July 2020 23: 08 New
      +1
      Calm down, no one will transmit anything.
      The Russian Foreign Ministry is simply mocking the land-eaters))
      Yes, and dragged into the constitution a law banning the transfer of territory.
      So you can sleep well hi
      1. TatarinSSSR
        TatarinSSSR 10 July 2020 00: 56 New
        -2
        Let's hope.
    2. DPN
      DPN 12 July 2020 23: 09 New
      -1
      If he says about transferring the islands to the Japanese, he will immediately receive a maidan in Russian.
      No one will notice or sweeten as with a pension.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 9 July 2020 23: 05 New
    +1
    Banana Japs on the collar.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 9 July 2020 23: 58 New
    0
    How long something. And just three letters are needed to formulate.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 10 July 2020 00: 10 New
    -6
    Salam, putriots! Drew off, trampled on japs ​​in full! Oooh! good They are already trembling, and do not think about the Kuril Islands at all! wassat Have you already opened champagne wine? Do not forget Lavrov congratulatory, general ... send. lol bully tongue
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 10 July 2020 04: 02 New
    +2
    The Japanese themselves, in addition to developing rare earth, do not need anything there - in the warmer parts of their islands they mostly live, they are not really eager to go to Hokkaido. But the amers, in a geopolitical sense, really want to transfer the islands to close our exit to the ocean tightly, hence the lamentation of the transfer.
  • Siberian
    Siberian 10 July 2020 04: 42 New
    0
    And we can’t live without this trust? From what moment do we begin to feel it already? And what does the subsequent resolution of this dispute mean. That the people joyfully voted for demarcation, delimitation and delimitation of borders?
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 10 July 2020 06: 02 New
    +2
    What nonsense, well, we have no dispute. The Japanese beg for the islands, and we are not scattered with our lands, as unfortunately sometimes happened. That's all, the topic is not worth a damn egg and not a horseradish striped to raise it. And this is our answer to those wishing to grab a Russian fellow countryman.
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 10 July 2020 07: 09 New
    0
    What a dispute? After a new amendment to the Constitution, any territorial concessions are a state crime!
  • Mityasha
    Mityasha 10 July 2020 07: 47 New
    +1
    These disputes and demands of an endless theater, like the Arab war. No diplomat will ever say categorically NO! The rules are as follows.
  • 1536
    1536 10 July 2020 08: 20 New
    0
    Initially, the message was wrong, since there is NO "dispute" between Russia and Japan about the Kuril Islands (from the word "completely"). The Kuril Islands belong to Russia. And to argue about what belongs to one, and what the other will catch on, is pointless. It is necessary either to repulse this embarrassed, or simply not to deal with him. In the case of the Japanese, it is necessary to stop all their attempts to impose their point of view in Russian society on the territorial integrity of our country. If you look back centuries, then the Japanese are a newcomer people in those places. And to say that this "original Japanese land" is not necessary, because it did not belong to them.
  • akunin
    akunin 10 July 2020 08: 30 New
    0
    According to Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, create an atmosphere of mutual trust, which will pave the way for further resolution of the territorial dispute.
    But what about the amendment to the constitution2 about the inviolability of borders?
  • zwlad
    zwlad 10 July 2020 10: 56 New
    0
    In my opinion, the argument has a bold constitutional point.
    The Japanese can now argue arbitrarily long, but now only with themselves.
  • georggy
    georggy 10 July 2020 15: 23 New
    0
    There are no disputes.
    There are corrupt creatures in Russia.
  • dsdelta
    dsdelta 11 July 2020 11: 02 New
    0
    Why was this comment posted? They decided to violate the constitution? )))