The National Interest praised the prospects of the Russia-Japan dispute over the Kuril Islands

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The American magazine The National Interest published an article on the prospects for resolving the long-standing dispute between Japan and Russia on the ownership of the South Kuril Islands.

The author of the article, teacher and researcher at the International Laboratory on World Order Studies and the New Regionalism, Olga Puzanova, is convinced that the Kuril debate has a toxic effect on Russian-Japanese relations. Comparing the Kuril problem with Russian-Chinese territorial disputes, she concludes that there are fundamental differences in relations between Russia and Japan and Russia and China.



Unlike Japan, China is not the closest ally of the United States, and the resolution of territorial disputes with China is not an attempt to revise the outcome of World War II, to which Moscow has always been very painful.

The rather tough, nationalistic position of the Japanese leadership also plays its role. Tokyo, despite Moscow’s willingness to compromise, argues that it is necessary to recognize Japanese sovereignty over all four islands, and the two islands must be immediately transferred to the Japanese side. Such a sharp position of Japan more than once led to the failure of Russian-Japanese negotiations.

However, now Russia is calling for the development of closer bilateral relations with Japan, which, according to Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, will create an atmosphere of mutual trust that will set the stage for further resolution of the territorial dispute. The most interesting thing is that for both Russia and Japan, improving bilateral relations is very useful: both countries are interested in having counterbalances not only to American, but also Chinese influence in East Asia.

Perhaps if Japan becomes more independent in its foreign policy from the United States, it will soon be able to convince Moscow of the security of the model for resolving the territorial dispute on which it insists.
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    1. +43
      9 July 2020 18: 35
      Again "Murzilka" thinks deeply about "War and Peace".
      Tokyo, despite Moscow’s willingness to compromise, argues that it is necessary to recognize Japanese sovereignty over all four islands, and the two islands must be immediately transferred to the Japanese side.

      Especially for those concerned about the constitution, an amendment was introduced in order to shorten the handicrafts to any Russian Khrushchev, Medvedev and Shevarnadzs to shorten Russian land / shelf for trading.
      So, that "from a dead donkey ears" to the Japs, not the Kuril Islands!
      1. -9
        9 July 2020 18: 49
        Quote: Victor_B
        Especially for those concerned about the constitution, an amendment was introduced in order to shorten the handicrafts to any Russian Khrushchev, Medvedev and Shevarnadzs to shorten Russian land / shelf for trading.
        So, that "from a dead donkey ears" to the Japs, not the Kuril Islands!

        All right Petrovich think .. But the Japanese would be torn from the United States! Then it would be possible to talk ao souls for EVERYTHING!
        In the meantime, just like that .. But it's not yet evening hi
        1. +23
          9 July 2020 20: 50
          The National Interest praised the prospects of the Russia-Japan dispute over the Kuril Islands

          This is a dispute among the Japanese, everything has been decided for a long time - the Kuril Islands is Russia
          1. +7
            9 July 2020 22: 02
            Russians have no faith in modern Japanese Nazi revenge-seekers in the Kuril Islands and cannot exist in principle!
            Japan, conquered by WWII, even for its war crimes during the war did not even repent to its victims of the peoples of other countries.
            1. bad
              +10
              9 July 2020 22: 43
              Quote: Tatiana
              Russians have no faith in modern Japanese Nazis-revanchists in the Kuril Islands

              It is also pleasing that our leadership does not make any exemptions in the style of the 90s japam.
            2. +1
              10 July 2020 08: 03
              Quote: Tatiana
              modern Japanese Nazi revanchists

              No such Japanese Nazis exist. Just the Japanese, in general, are very nationalistic, xenophobic, intolerant.
              Quote: Tatiana
              Japan, conquered by WWII, even for its war crimes during the war did not even repent to its victims of the peoples of other countries.

              Why do you need this "repentance" (tm)? Or do the Chinese need it? This is from the category of emotions. But in "real politics" (tm) something else is important.
              Japan has been in actual occupation for 75 years by the US state and Finintern. Japanese foreign policy, economic and financial structure - are completely subordinate to these two groups and built into their system.
              They are actively trying to channel organic Japanese national brutality (completely legal as an inalienable national property) against the Russian Federation, turning away from really important directions.
              1. +1
                10 July 2020 08: 48
                Quote: Private-K
                No such Japanese Nazis exist.
                Organic Japanese national brutality (completely legal as an integral national property)
                actively trying to channel against the Russian Federation, turning away from really important directions.

                Are you declaring the national fascism of Japan "COMPLETELY LEGAL as a national property of the Japanese national brutality" ?!
                So the Germans - the Nazis in the Third Reich - had the same thing! The only difference being that Nazi leaders were convicted and executed, while in Japan they were under the wing of the United States and remained alive and in power.

                These are the crimes of Detachment 731, in your opinion, are nationally LEGAL?!
                These are the war crimes of the Japanese army, in your opinion, are nationally LEGAL?!
                This sexual slavery of foreign women for Japanese soldiers is, in your opinion, nationally LEGAL?!
                REFERENCE
                In Busan, South Korea, three years ago, a monument was erected to "comfort women" - Korean women who were forced to work in Japanese army brothels during World War II. During the war about 200 thousand women from Korea, China, Taiwan, the Philippines and Indonesia were forced to serve Japanese soldiers. The monument was erected directly opposite the Consulate General of Japan.
                The monument was opened identical to what is already standing in front of the Japanese Embassy in Seoul. ... According to rumors, the dismantling of the monument in Seoul was one of the conditions of the recent agreement between Korea and Japan, however, as far as one can judge now, the Japanese received another monument with a promising construction of the third one in the near future.

                1. +1
                  10 July 2020 09: 20
                  You, as usual, demonstrate your inability to correctly read what you read.
                  I meant MODERN Japanese, MODERN Japan.
                  So, no fascists (tm), Nazis (tm) are not there at all.
                  (And those who committed mass crimes during the WWII and before it - in the absolute majority died during the same war. To harbor emotions of international hostility with the demands of national repentance is harmful nonsense. It is suitable in the first years after the Victory, but to wind it through 75 years - stupidity. We must engage in real politics; on the contrary, look for options for cooperation and mutual interest. (This is especially important for Korea and Japan as a systemic Anti-China.))

                  Moreover, the level of chauvinism-nationalism-xenophobia-netolerastia (tm) in Japanese men, I believe, is much lower than in Russian men. And in Russians, he is not very tall. Consequently, Japanese is even lower ...
                  Moreover, the Japanese generally, mentally OMITTED and, moreover, don't even think to rebel against it - they accepted their defeat and derogatory position before the United States and so on. "the civilized world."
                  1. 0
                    10 July 2020 14: 10
                    Quote: Private-K
                    You, as usual, demonstrate your inability to correctly perceive what I read. I meant MODERN Japanese, MODERN Japan.

                    And I’m talking about modern Japan! You yourself will figure it out first, who is now in power in Japan, whose ruling parties are in Japan!
                    As for the Japanese mockery of other peoples, the unrepentant national mentality of your "brutal" Japanese persists even now. As the Japanese massively cut other peoples alive, they will cut them again, just give them only freedom!

                    Your "BRUTAL" national mentality among ordinary Japanese is reflected on a subconscious level in the form of fetishism even in the modern fashion of the Japanese, ie. on a subconscious level in the form of things and images that approve of their past Nazi history as such. Touch again Japan's war of conquest with someone - all the crimes of the Japanese will repeat again.

                    Modern samurai.
                    1. -2
                      10 July 2020 16: 57
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      Quote: Private-K
                      You, as usual, demonstrate your inability to correctly perceive what I read. I meant MODERN Japanese, MODERN Japan.

                      And I’m talking about modern Japan! You yourself will figure it out first, who is now in power in Japan, whose ruling parties are in Japan!
                      As for the Japanese mockery of other peoples, the unrepentant national mentality of your "brutal" Japanese persists even now. As the Japanese massively cut other peoples alive, they will cut them again, just give them only freedom!

                      Your "BRUTAL" national mentality among ordinary Japanese is reflected on a subconscious level in the form of fetishism even in the modern fashion of the Japanese, ie. on a subconscious level in the form of things and images that approve of their past Nazi history as such. Touch again Japan's war of conquest with someone - all the crimes of the Japanese will repeat again.

                      Modern samurai.

                      You shouldn't be so "hard" about the Japanese ...))))) I read that after Hiroshima / Nagasaki, some of the samurai swore revenge on the Anglo-Saxon gaijins (in the sense that "not straight", but like a hundredfold) - 75 years have passed , but still their "revenge" ocean "will not swim across" ...))))))))))) I remember when I heard on the news about 9/11, then at first I thought: "Well! Finally! Samurai kept their oath! " (although it is "small" - the destruction of both booths on Indian Point at the Big Apple would be comparable in scale), but they are not here either!)))))
                      Japs will become dangerous if they suddenly consider that you can hit with impunity.
        2. +3
          9 July 2020 21: 24
          on the prospects for resolving the long-standing dispute between Japan and Russia on the ownership of the South Kuril Islands.

          But there is no dispute! Wanting the Japanese is not harmful ... The Russian islands ... That's how the trolls slowly drag their Wishlist, and not for free ...
          1. 0
            10 July 2020 08: 27
            It is clear that this is not harmful to the Japanese. But why did the Russian Foreign Ministry, over and over again, activate this topic, moreover, without any reason from the Japanese side?
        3. 0
          10 July 2020 06: 40
          Never. Gold of Japan, Germany, Austria are in the USA
      2. +1
        9 July 2020 19: 11
        Quote: Victor_B
        So, that "from a dead donkey's ears" to the Japs,

        And this will be a lot to them
        1. +1
          9 July 2020 19: 13
          Quote: Lipchanin
          And this will be a lot to them

          That's enough.
          Do not spoil the horseradish! laughing
          1. +1
            9 July 2020 19: 16
            Quote: Victor_B
            That's enough.
            Do not spoil the horseradish!

            So I say a lot.
            Live without ears laughing
          2. +1
            9 July 2020 20: 58
            Quote: Victor_B
            That's enough.
            Do not spoil the horseradish!

            Someone doesn’t like that few ears were given laughing
      3. +6
        9 July 2020 19: 16
        Quote: Victor_B
        Especially for those concerned about the constitution, an amendment was introduced so that all the new Khrushchevs, Medvedevs, and Shevarnadzas would be able to shorten the little hands to trade Russian land / shelf

        Once again, but only another answer
        1. +3
          9 July 2020 20: 39
          Quote: tihonmarine

          Once again, but only another answer

          They will not understand this answer. If you want to achieve mutual understanding from them, use gestures generally accepted in international communication. For example, the middle finger.
          1. +3
            9 July 2020 21: 22
            Quote: Nagan
            They will not understand this answer.

            Let them learn to understand
            Use gestures generally accepted in international communication. For example, the middle finger.

            And they also need to show "Elbow-deep"
            Let them study.
            A finger is a purely meager gesture
            And think about why they show one finger, and we are on the elbow laughing
          2. 0
            9 July 2020 22: 58
            Quote: Nagan
            For example, the middle finger.

            Finely, for them it is better to show the right arm bent, and the left on the right in the elbow, and the right to pound up and down. Tested, in almost all countries of the world where I have been, everyone understood clearly, acted.
          3. +4
            10 July 2020 00: 55
            Quote: Nagan
            They will not understand this answer.

            Japanese? They will even understand. Well-known gesture in Japan. This is how a prostitute invites a client lol
            With minimal erudition, it’s hard not to know lol
            1. 0
              10 July 2020 17: 04
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              Quote: Nagan
              They will not understand this answer.

              Japanese? They will even understand. Well-known gesture in Japan. This is how a prostitute invites a client lol
              With minimal erudition, it’s hard not to know lol

              Yes! I read about it in the novel "Port Arthur" by Stepanov, when the plot of the gene. Stoessel decided to write a refusal to the Japanese proposal to surrender the fortress by the image of "fig"!))))))))))
      4. +10
        9 July 2020 19: 23
        The National Interest praised the prospects of the Russia-Japan dispute over the Kuril Islands

        Why did these storytellers get the idea that Russia is arguing with someone over some territories?
        With Japan, Russia only speaks
        on the development of closer bilateral relations
        and all!
      5. -3
        9 July 2020 19: 26
        Victor_B (Victor Petrovich)
        Especially for those concerned about the constitution, an amendment was introduced in order to shorten the handicrafts to any Russian Khrushchev, Medvedev and Shevarnadzs to shorten Russian land / shelf for trading.
        Are you sure about that? Have you read the amendment? There is such a cunning clause about demarcation and delimitation, under which anything can be brought, from the Kuril Islands to Kaliningrad.
        1. 0
          9 July 2020 20: 28
          There is such a cunning clause about demarcation and delimitation, under which anything can be brought, from the Kuril Islands to Kaliningrad.

          Said A, speak B ....
          give the amendment with the clause ......
          1. +10
            9 July 2020 21: 32
            nPuBaTuP (Nikolay)
            Said A, speak B ....
            give the amendment with the clause ......
            Yes, no question ... If you yourself are too lazy to dig into the internet, then you will get those:
            Article 67 (as amended).

            1. The territory of the Russian Federation includes the territories of its constituent entities, inland waters and the territorial sea, and the airspace above them. In the territory of the Russian Federation, federal territories may be created in accordance with federal law. The organization of public authority in the federal territories is established by the specified federal law.

            2. The Russian Federation enjoys sovereign rights and exercises jurisdiction on the continental shelf and in the exclusive economic zone of the Russian Federation in the manner determined by federal law and international law.

            2.1. The Russian Federation protects its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Actions (with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states) aimed at alienating part of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions, are not allowed.

            3. The boundaries between the subjects of the Russian Federation may be changed with their mutual consent.

            A few terms for clarity (boring, but necessary to get to the bottom of the matter).

            FEDERAL TERRITORY - in a federal state, a territory that is not part of the subject of the federation, which is directly controlled by the federal bodies or persons appointed by them.

            Border delimitation - the contractual definition of the border line and its drawing on the map with a detailed description of its passage along specific natural or artificially chosen landmarks and characteristic features of the terrain.

            Border demarcation– designation (establishment of special border signs) of the border line on the ground in accordance with the delimitation agreement.
            For you, I have specially highlighted the main message "EXCEPT ...". What is not clear? And it also says “actions are not allowed”, and why not write FORBIDDEN? ”Does it seem to gentlemen zaputintsy that somewhat different concepts are not allowed and prohibited in the Russian language?

            P.S. Did the miners themselves read this amendment? And if you did, then where am I wrong? Or cons of a big "love" personally to my modest person?
            1. +1
              9 July 2020 22: 35
              Never mind. Some of the 75% of those who voted "for" here. And their hopes should not be questioned. Think? What for? The giraffe is big, he knows better.
            2. -1
              9 July 2020 23: 08
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              P.S. The minus members themselves read this amendment? And if you read, then what am I wrong?

              Are right. That's what the Japanese write
              - Sankei Shimbun (Japan): Putin proposes constitutional amendments to the State Duma. Are the “northern territories” excluded from the list of “inalienable” objects?

              - Toyo Keizai (Japan): amendments to the Russian Constitution and prospects for negotiations on the "northern territories"
            3. 0
              10 July 2020 01: 31
              As far as can be judged, the concept of "demarcation" refers specifically to DISPUTED BORDER TERRITORIES .... DISPUTED !! .... the Kuril Islands, like Sakhalin and Kamchatka and Crimea, ARE NOT disputed territories, moreover, these are all subjects of the Russian Federation and accordingly, they cannot be rejected ...
              After all, you yourself put this into the quote)) ...... I understand, I so want to wash the experts, and even less so for Putin ...)
            4. -1
              11 July 2020 22: 35
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              P.S. Did the miners themselves read this amendment? And if you did, then where am I wrong? Or cons of a big "love" personally to my modest person?

              They sculpt cons for the truth .. they have been poked in the face with these amendments for two months now, but they don’t know how to read roofing felts, they refuse to understand roofing felts ..
      6. +2
        9 July 2020 19: 33
        Quote: Victor_B
        So, that "from a dead donkey ears" to the Japs, not the Kuril Islands!

        Well, Victor Petrovich, winked have to be translated for a tolerant audience - "an ironic refusal to a request or a demand - an offer to receive something absolutely unnecessary in return for what you want" stop .
        1. 0
          9 July 2020 19: 44
          Quote: Terenin
          "an ironic refusal to a request or demand is an offer to receive something absolutely unnecessary in return for what you want"

          In other words - to hell with you, not a medal!
          1. +1
            9 July 2020 21: 06
            Quote: Victor_B
            Quote: Terenin
            "an ironic refusal to a request or demand is an offer to receive something absolutely unnecessary in return for what you want"

            In other words - to hell with you, not a medal!

            Caution with promises. The Japanese are wildly naive people and believe almost everything Yes
      7. +11
        9 July 2020 19: 56
        Quote: Victor_B
        Especially for those concerned about the constitution, an amendment was introduced

        In the USSR there was a constitution and a referendum for the preservation of the USSR was held. So it was not only changed, but also completely canceled. National history. (Bank Imperial.)
      8. +1
        9 July 2020 20: 00
        Quote: Victor_B
        Again "Murzilka" thinks deeply about "War and Peace".
        Tokyo, despite Moscow’s willingness to compromise, argues that it is necessary to recognize Japanese sovereignty over all four islands, and the two islands must be immediately transferred to the Japanese side.

        Especially for those concerned about the constitution, an amendment was introduced in order to shorten the handicrafts to any Russian Khrushchev, Medvedev and Shevarnadzs to shorten Russian land / shelf for trading.
        So, that "from a dead donkey ears" to the Japs, not the Kuril Islands!

        Actually, there is a clarification on the demarcation of borders, and anything can be brought under this matter. And I really do not want this clarification to be applied.
      9. -2
        9 July 2020 20: 10
        "You will get a hole [narrow-eyed] from a bulik, not Sharapov!" laughing

        PS Now, according to the canons of the genre, God's chosen lawyers should be drawn up and with full seriousness and pathos declare that the Kuril Islands, this is originally Japanese land ... laughing
        1. 0
          9 July 2020 20: 21
          Quote: Finches
          that they smoked, this is originally Japanese land ...

          Like Crimea laughing
      10. BAI
        +8
        9 July 2020 20: 40
        from the dead donkey's ears "to the Japs, not the Kuriles!

        Lavrov has a different opinion:
        According to Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, create an atmosphere of mutual trust, which will pave the way for further resolution of the territorial dispute.

        No one removes the Kuril issue from the agenda. And all promises can be trusted in the same way as promises not to change the Constitution and not to raise the retirement age.
      11. 0
        9 July 2020 21: 06
        Late, the Constitution is unshakable, has never changed, and the amendment about the land will not allow the next king to sell the Kuril Islands. Checkmate!
      12. +3
        10 July 2020 00: 00
        Quote: Victor_B
        amendment to the constitution

        Ha! Both entered and withdrawn. Or they will accept the amendment to the amendment. Or they will accept the amendment that this time is zero, and therefore it is not considered, but the next time - then certainly no way down.
    2. +5
      9 July 2020 18: 37
      Let's wait, when the Japanese do not need islands, at all.
    3. +6
      9 July 2020 18: 42
      Japan’s policy can be scored, not such an important economic and political partner for the Russian Federation
      1. -2
        9 July 2020 19: 12
        You can score, but you can hit the Yapi to send the American missile defense system to America. bully
    4. 0
      9 July 2020 18: 45
      I remembered the joke "about the dog Sharik and the prospect"))
      If there is no betrayal, then the samurai to Sharik
    5. +6
      9 July 2020 18: 46
      After July 01, 2020, this issue should be addressed not to The National Interest, but to the New Edition of the Russian Constitution.
      Everything is said there.
      1. -1
        9 July 2020 20: 22
        Quote: fn34440
        Everything is said there.

        So take and leave a huge kodlou of media experts and other magazines without such a bold piece, which was the topic ... fellow These for some time by inertia will be thrown, but only the most repulsed will swallow their nonsense. Yes Judging by the absence of any mention of the "territorial" amendment, this material was squeezed out back in June, or my aunt is stupidly not aware of the voting that took place in our country. laughing
    6. -22
      9 July 2020 18: 55
      Japan will fight for the Kuril Islands with China.

      Tell me my friend
      It's not for nothing
      Siberia burned by fire
      Is it given to the Chinese?
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      2. +1
        9 July 2020 19: 18
        Quote: Junior Warrant Officer
        Japan will fight for the Kuril Islands with China.

        Perforate
        We will fight for Japan with the Kitam.
      3. +1
        9 July 2020 19: 18
        Quote: Junior Warrant Officer
        Siberia burned by fire
        Is it given to the Chinese?

    7. +2
      9 July 2020 18: 55
      Japanese urban! .. As they are tired, slow-witted. Our Kuril Islands. I don’t know how to explain to them on the fingers ?! Fuck you bald, not the Kuril Islands.
    8. +4
      9 July 2020 18: 56
      And what is there to ponder, nothing shines on narrow-film ones, and if there is a creep in the Russian government again, then an article for high treason and a peace treaty is also useless, we will continue to live without it
      1. -3
        9 July 2020 19: 20
        Quote: rotkiv04
        and the peace treaty is also not fucking needed, we’ll live without it and will continue to live

        Until recently, I didn’t know anything about this agreement.
        I knew that the Japs were not sickly and that’s it. request
        1. +3
          9 July 2020 19: 35
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Until recently, I didn’t know anything about this agreement.

          Yes, to be honest, they haven’t lost anything No.
          1. +1
            9 July 2020 19: 38
            Quote: Terenin
            Yes, to be honest, they haven’t lost anything

            So am I about it
            I absolutely drum that defeated Japan does not want to conclude a peace treaty
            Let them continue to "fight" with us like the Orcaina
            1. +1
              9 July 2020 20: 58
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Quote: Terenin
              Yes, to be honest, they haven’t lost anything

              So am I about it
              I absolutely drum that defeated Japan does not want to conclude a peace treaty
              Let them continue to "fight" with us like the Orcaina

              Neither of those, nor of the others, have yet grown up "warriors" against Russia.
              1. +2
                9 July 2020 21: 04
                Quote: Terenin
                Neither of those, nor of the others, have yet grown up "warriors" against Russia.

                What are you saying belay
                Orkaina has been fighting with us for 7 years and has been waiting for the invasion all this time.
                It's not me, orcaine wrenches utter several times a month

                1. +6
                  9 July 2020 21: 09
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Orkaina has been fighting with us for 7 years and has been waiting for the invasion all this time.

                  fool This is for them to the psychiatrist
                  1. +2
                    9 July 2020 21: 24
                    Quote: Terenin
                    This is for them to the psychiatrist

                    Yes, something mnu tells you that all normal psychiatrists have long run away from there ...
    9. +5
      9 July 2020 19: 02
      As for me, the Russian Federation will live without any problems without any relations with Japan and without Japan in general, and the Kuril Islands are priceless and useful to Russia itself !!!
      1. +3
        9 July 2020 20: 34
        Quote: Shadow041
        As for me, the Russian Federation will live without any problems without any relations with Japan and without Japan in general, and the Kuril Islands are priceless and useful to Russia itself !!!

        I read somewhere, - the Russians received the Kuril Islands, and the Americans - the rest of Japan, but not a single Japanese requires the United States to return Japan to Japan ...
        1. +2
          9 July 2020 20: 47
          Quote: Clear
          but not a single Japanese requires the United States to return Japan to Japan ...

          But who will allow him, if in fact Japan is under occupation
          1. 0
            9 July 2020 20: 50
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Quote: Clear
            but not a single Japanese requires the United States to return Japan to Japan ...

            But who will allow him, if in fact Japan is under occupation

            But then, how can a proud samurai surrender to anyone?
            1. -1
              9 July 2020 21: 09
              Quote: Clear
              But then, how can a proud samurai surrender to anyone?

              Yes, it’s strong for me, and for a long time, it seems that samurai is a national legend.
              Well there were some warriors there, but after all, folklore is folklore
              Who besides the Japanese themselves saw them? Like a ninja?
              And most of the martial arts came from Korea and China.
    10. 0
      9 July 2020 19: 05
      And if you stop listening to such experts here? The predictors are tired of their delusions! Why not discuss this journal on the topic of land returns to Mexico, Spain, and Russia? I look forward to an article from them about the need for an immediate return to Russia of Alaska and California. ...
      1. +4
        9 July 2020 19: 26
        Quote: Thrifty
        the need for an immediate return to Russia of Alaska

        About Alaska, it’s you, as you look into the water Yes
      2. 0
        9 July 2020 19: 27
        Quote: Thrifty
        Russia? I look forward to an article from them about the need for an immediate return to Russia of Alaska and California. ...

        Hawaiian Islands
        According to international laws, the country that first discovered an island could set its flag there and declare its property. Russian sailors discovered many islands in the Pacific Ocean, but the policy of the Russian Empire did not aim to acquire overseas territories.

        After the annexation of Siberia and the Far East, the country had no need for additional territories or natural resources. To hold on to what is.

        But the local governor of the Hawaiian Islands, the leader of Kameamea, turned to our country with a request to go under the auspices of Russia. And the famous Russian traveler and discoverer Miklouho-Maclay, who described in detail the northern coast of New Guinea, petitioned for this territory to join the Russian Empire, but it was rejected.
        1. -3
          9 July 2020 19: 27
          When they talk about Russian colonies, the first thing they remember is Alaska. Indeed, once this territory belonged to Russia. But it would be fairer to talk not about Alaska, but about Russian possessions on the American continent. After all, our country owned not only Alaska, but also territories in California. The plans were the development of the entire modern west coast of the United States. But, for example, the lands in the current state of Washington, in the area where Seattle is now located, were the first to capture the Americans.

          Many people remember the Russian fortress Fort Ross in California by the musical "Juno and Avos," which takes place in these places. These possessions were sold to the Mexicans, since Russia could not control them.

          There was also the opportunity to own the island of Tobago in the Caribbean. Previously, it belonged to Courland, a small Baltic duchy. Courland, in order to keep up with European fashion, also acquired colonies. One of them was the island of Tobago, and the second was the island of St. Andrew off the African coast. After the duchy of Courland entered the Russian Empire, these islands were also supposed to become Russian. But shortly before that, Courland gave them to Britain as collateral for loans received.

          Although it is believed that Russia sold Alaska, in fact, it gave it away for free. A vessel with gold intended for payment for Alaska sank on the way from London to St. Petersburg, and the insurance company in which the cargo was insured hastily declared bankrupt. There are suspicions that this was a fraud, and there was no gold on the ship.
          1. -3
            9 July 2020 19: 28
            After many years of the Northern War with Sweden, Peter the Great undertook a campaign against Persia, modern Iran. The campaign was successful. It was possible to capture Dagestan, Azerbaijan and the southern coast of the Caspian Sea, which today belongs to Iran. But after the death of Peter the Great, the territories of Northern Persia were returned without any compensation, since their retention was considered an onerous occupation.

            Much later, in 1920, the Persian Soviet Republic arose on these lands, having existed for a year.
            1. -4
              9 July 2020 19: 29
              In 1916, a secret agreement was signed between Russia, England and France on the division of the Ottoman Empire, which was an ally of Germany in the First World War. Under the agreement, the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits connecting the Black Sea with the Mediterranean were supposed to depart to Russia. In addition, Eastern Anatolia, which is also called Western Armenia, with access to the Mediterranean Sea would leave for it.

              But in Russia there was a revolution that brought the country out of the number of participants and winners in the First World War, so we did not get the straits.
              1. -3
                9 July 2020 19: 29
                One famous Soviet song sings: "I don’t need the Turkish coast, and I don’t need Africa." And there is. Well, the role of a colonialist does not fit the Russian man. Our values ​​are not based on that.

                By its size, Russia is the largest state in the world. We have rich natural resources and a talented population. It's enough.

                We do not plan conquests, but we do not give our lands to anyone. And if conquerors come to us, they get what they deserve.
                1. -1
                  9 July 2020 19: 54
                  Sergei, no offense. How did Russia become the largest state? - if you (the state) do not "eat" a piece or a whole other state or "non-state-formed lands", then you are already "eaten". The Russian peasant always wanted a larger plot of land - where to get free land? - only the "powers that be" did not give the peasant even the top of the ground - they were afraid that the peasant would "swell with fat." Russia does not demand from Japan about. Hokaido (without Japanese) - then Japan itself demands ... In response to the "squeals of Japan", you need to stop buying Japanese goods or goods with a "Japanese brand" - "beat Japan $".
                  1. -3
                    9 July 2020 20: 09
                    Quote: cat Rusich
                    ... How did Russia become the largest state? - if you (the state) do not "eat" a piece or a whole other state or "non-state-formed lands", then you are already "eaten".

                    Sorry, but in the Russian Empire what was happening in America, India and other colonies did not happen.
                    As in the USSR
                    1. +1
                      9 July 2020 20: 19
                      Sergey, this is already a conversation "who digests whom how" ...
                      1. -1
                        9 July 2020 20: 23
                        Quote: cat Rusich
                        Sergey, this is already a conversation "who digests whom how" ...

                        And who is more humane.
                        1. +1
                          9 July 2020 20: 27
                          Sergei, the USSR "ordered to live a long time" because of the "humane" position of the CPSU, they did not digest everything they ate and "vomited", and they took out Ukraine through the "anus" - they "stink".
                        2. -4
                          9 July 2020 20: 38
                          And we needed these ridges?
                        3. +1
                          9 July 2020 20: 50
                          Sergei, with the help of such "plates" to us (living in Russia) Japan "explains" why it needs to give up the Kuril Islands. No offense - according to your "plate" Sergei Crimea remains in Ukraine ... he is also among the "backbones". The earth needs to be equipped, and this is the "problem" of the OWNER. As an example - your "dacha" is overgrown with "weeds" and on this basis the "dacha" is taken away from you by your neighbors ... and they will get to the "Moscow apartment".
                        4. -2
                          9 July 2020 21: 30
                          Quote: cat Rusich
                          Crimea remains in Ukraine ...

                          He got there by mistake and for a very short time
                          As an example - your "dacha" is overgrown with "weeds" and on this basis the "dacha" is taken away from you by your neighbors.

                          In general, the residents of Crimea voted to secede from Ukraine and join the Russian Federation not because of the "weeds"
                        5. +1
                          9 July 2020 21: 44
                          Sergei, in order not to explain for a long time, an example of how Great Britain and Ireland were "divorced" in 1921 - Summary in 1921 Ireland left the UK, how to get out? - they began to vote for each county (region) separately, as they vote and do it. 6 (six) counties voted to remain in Great Britain (the majority of the population is Protestants) - and became Northern Ireland within Great Britain. Maybe in 1991, vote for each region separately, in each SSR - each region votes separately, in the SSR in the amount of 1 region (for example, the Baltic states and Moldova) vote for each region separately (I hint at Narva region and Transnistria), but again Do not touch the RSFSR !!!
              2. -1
                9 July 2020 19: 52
                Quote: Lipchanin
                Russian sailors discovered many islands in the Pacific Ocean

                Quote: Lipchanin
                Miklouho-Maclay, who described in detail the northern coast of New Guinea, requested the accession of this territory to the Russian Empire,

                Quote: Lipchanin
                When talking about Russian colonies, the first thing they remember is Alaska.

                Quote: Lipchanin
                Our country owned not only Alaska, but also territories in California. The plans were the development of the entire modern west coast of the United States.

                Thank you Sergey for the information.
                Now I understand why, being in these territories, I feel at home. Genetic memory is not going anywhere.
                1. 0
                  9 July 2020 20: 11
                  Quote: Clear
                  Now I understand why, being in these territories, I feel at home.

                  I can not answer the same smile
                  I am by nature my homebody.
                  I traveled to other cities in the USSR and the Lipetsk region only on business trips smile
                  1. +3
                    9 July 2020 20: 21
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    Quote: Clear
                    Now I understand why, being in these territories, I feel at home.

                    I can not answer the same smile
                    I am by nature my homebody.
                    I traveled to other cities in the USSR and the Lipetsk region only on business trips smile

                    By God, I say, well done our ancestors are discoverers and fearless travelers!
                    1. +2
                      9 July 2020 20: 40
                      Quote: Clear
                      By God, I say, well done our ancestors are discoverers and fearless travelers!

                      And this despite the fact that they discovered other lands on such ships and in such conditions ...
                      I honestly would not dare to swim on them, let’s say from Simferopol to Sevastopol laughing
                      1. +1
                        9 July 2020 20: 43
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        I honestly would not dare to swim on them, let’s say from Simferopol to Sevastopol

                        Yeah. Especially scary sea at night. Just scary.
                        1. +2
                          9 July 2020 20: 50
                          Quote: Clear
                          Yeah. Especially scary sea at night. Just scary.

                          Especially when everything around creaks and pops laughing
                        2. +2
                          9 July 2020 20: 55
                          Quote: Lipchanin
                          Quote: Clear
                          Yeah. Especially scary sea at night. Just scary.

                          Especially when everything around creaks and pops laughing

                          At night, at some point, it seemed like I was standing at the edge of a huge bottomless pit ...
                          How do they live on the islands?
                        3. +2
                          9 July 2020 21: 32
                          Quote: Clear
                          How do they live on the islands?

                          Yes, a person can live anywhere. There would be a roof over your head and your beloved woman nearby smile
        2. +2
          9 July 2020 20: 36
          Hawaiian Islands

          You contradict yourself ....
          According to international laws, the country that first discovered an island could set its flag there and declare its property.

          Russian sailors discovered many islands ..... but Hawaiian have nothing to do with them ......
          1. 0
            9 July 2020 20: 53
            But the local governor of the Hawaiian Islands, the leader of Kameamea, appealed to our country with a request to go under the auspices of Russia
    11. -6
      9 July 2020 19: 05
      our guarantor is irremovable with both the Donbass and the Kuril Islands neither be nor me and yours and ours, but sooner and later you will probably have to make a decision because the partners so respected by him will make
    12. +2
      9 July 2020 19: 05
      As a result of storms and floods and landslides, more than 5 million residents were removed and evacuated in Japan in 2 days.
      And where to put them.? Well, not Okinawa, which the Americans occupied.
    13. +1
      9 July 2020 19: 14
      It’s time for the Japanese to forget the Kuril Islands. After all, there are other islands ...
      For example, Matsmai, which the Japanese call Hokkaido. We can remember and talk about him.
    14. +2
      9 July 2020 19: 27
      "- Tell me, but two hundred rubles cannot save the giant of thought?
      - I think that bargaining is inappropriate here! "(from)
    15. -5
      9 July 2020 19: 33
      The Japanese hope that the disputed territories are given to the Chinese. They gave half of the water area with oil and gas to the Norwegians, two Dagestan villages and half of the water intake were given. And to them - figs. To whom we want, to that we give. The GDP has considered everything, and there is no need to tell tales here. It will be necessary - and give Kurilshy, the Constitution in the case can be changed three times a year. it’s not for you to soap.
    16. +2
      9 July 2020 19: 36
      The National Interest praised the prospects of the Russia-Japan dispute over the Kuril Islands

      There is no dispute, there is a shit, complete and final!
      1. -10
        9 July 2020 19: 49
        Well, do not promise - this is not the third term ...
      2. -1
        9 July 2020 20: 17
        Quote: rocket757
        The National Interest praised the prospects of the Russia-Japan dispute over the Kuril Islands

        There is no dispute, there is a shit, complete and final!

        So I, as a believer, think that on next Japan's demand to give her the Kuril Islands happened next floods and landslides, not to mention earthquakes.
        1. 0
          9 July 2020 20: 34
          God works in mysterious ways ...
          The introduction of certain legal norms into the constitution inspire some optimism that the squandering of Russian compatriots will stop once and ... this time, at least.
          1. -1
            9 July 2020 20: 36
            Quote: rocket757
            Introduction of certain legal norms in the constitution,

            Worse, it definitely won’t.
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    18. +1
      9 July 2020 19: 54
      They did not want to sign the Peace Treaty in the 56th ... and now you sew to you in constitutional order.
      The maximum that they can rely on is sharing, but even in this case they should not be allowed to go there. The Japanese are barbaric to other people's resources.
      In the years when the USSR still could not keep track of the Kamchatka shores, the Japanese blocked the mouths of spawning rivers with nets!
      The local population was starving, and these bastards stupidly processed salmon into fertilizer.
      1. -10
        9 July 2020 19: 59
        Annoying, of course. But in comparison with this - trifles.
        http://realtribune.ru/news/people/4616?utm_source=finobzor.ru
        1. 0
          9 July 2020 20: 40
          Quote: harpsichord
          http://realtribune.ru/news/people/4616?utm_source=finobzor.ru

          Oh, you read the "Realist" news agency, especially want to impress with the story "Poverty at the gates of Red Square" ... It is immediately obvious that you love jokes, laughter and anecdotes.
    19. +3
      9 July 2020 20: 15
      International Laboratory for the Study of World Order and New Regionalism

      Olga Puzanova is convinced ..

      There are no laboratories in the world ...
      But I am convinced that not only Sakhalin, Kunashir, Iturup, Shikotan and Habomai, but also Hokkaido, Honshu, Kyushu and Shikoku do not belong to the Japanese either. They at one time ousted and destroyed local residents - the Ainu. Can raise this issue?
    20. +1
      9 July 2020 20: 16
      "The author of the article, teacher and researcher at the International Laboratory on World Order Studies and the New Regionalism, Olga Puzanova"
      Well, what can I say ... A professor of sour cabbage soup, a self-appointed academician and super-expert somehow leaked past the orderlies and crawled out of the room. A combat duo of cleaners was sent in search. So catch and return within half an hour.
    21. BAI
      -2
      9 July 2020 20: 37
      Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov believes that creating an atmosphere of mutual trust that will set the stage for further resolution of the territorial dispute

      Well, what about the famous "reinforced concrete amendment" and hastily introduced criminal liability? The ink on the paper has not yet dried, and the Foreign Ministry is already preparing to further resolve the dispute. What was the garden for?
    22. -1
      9 July 2020 20: 46
      The National Interest praised the prospects of the Russia-Japan dispute over the Kuril Islands

      I also appreciated. Conclusion: Japan has no prospects.
    23. 0
      9 July 2020 20: 57
      It's funny! What "controversy"? There is a wish of the Japanese to get the RUSSIAN islands and the Russian authorities' unwillingness to give them away. True, the Russian authorities respond diplomatically and politely. After the introduction of the amendments, we expect a more specific refusal!
    24. DPN
      0
      9 July 2020 21: 14
      Although to be on the Kuril Islands, for this Japan should precisely become the region of Russia, that's all. Otherwise, there is nothing to talk with the mongrel, and only in the face and the more painful, the better for Russia.
      1. 0
        10 July 2020 01: 31
        Quote: DPN
        Although to be on the Kuril Islands, for this Japan should precisely become the region of Russia, that's all. Otherwise, there is nothing to talk with the mongrel, and only in the face and the more painful, the better for Russia.

        This "mongrel" has the third economy in the world, one of the highest living standards, and more scientific achievements than Russia (not to be confused with the USSR). So you shouldn't be like that.

        And for that matter - if Russia hadn’t nuclear weapons, these islands would have been squeezed long ago. Their forces in the Pacific Ocean are significantly superior to ours.
        1. 0
          10 July 2020 07: 19
          Yeah, they are so much stronger than their strength that once they were completely gathered and plundered. Their diplomats packed their bags in Japan, but Fukushima burst out ...
        2. DPN
          0
          12 July 2020 23: 01
          The Russian Federation is a splinter from the USSR, so there is no comparison, but the Russian Federation got the "nuclear DUBINA" from the USSR and then no third economy will help. You yourself understand that because of this "DUBINA" the Russian Federation is not touched YET !! ...
    25. +1
      9 July 2020 21: 36
      "... it will be able to quickly convince Moscow of the safety of the model for resolving the territorial dispute on which it insists."
      - The author is a clear political provocateur. The author, read the new edition of the Russian Constitution, and then everything will become clear in your head! Russia NOW does not trade its territories!
      1. -5
        9 July 2020 21: 42
        But why?
        The Japanese hope that the disputed territories are given to the Chinese. They gave half of the water area with oil and gas to the Norwegians, two Dagestan villages and half of the water intake were given. And to them - figs. To whom we want, to that we give. The GDP has considered everything, and there is no need to tell tales here. It will be necessary - and give Kurilshy, the Constitution in the case can be changed three times a year. it’s not for you to soap.
      2. DPN
        0
        12 July 2020 23: 06
        The Constitution is subject to the Supreme, therefore, it’s as drawbar as it turns and it leaves. It guarantees only a minimum wage.
    26. +2
      9 July 2020 22: 16
      Perhaps if Japan becomes more independent in its foreign policy from the United States, it will soon be able to convince Moscow of the security of the model for resolving the territorial dispute on which it insists.

      Don't even hope
    27. +1
      9 July 2020 22: 46
      As soon as Putin or Lavrov, or whoever else has spoken about the transfer of the islands to the Japanese, he will immediately receive Maidan in Russian. Compared to that, Ukrainian will seem like an easy walk in the park. And no Russian Guard under pressure to disperse the people will save them. And I will be one of the millions who will raise such a government that will distribute Russian lands to the forks.
      1. +1
        9 July 2020 23: 08
        Calm down, no one will transmit anything.
        The Russian Foreign Ministry is simply mocking the land-eaters))
        Yes, and dragged into the constitution a law banning the transfer of territory.
        So you can sleep well hi
        1. -2
          10 July 2020 00: 56
          Let's hope.
      2. DPN
        -1
        12 July 2020 23: 09
        If he says about transferring the islands to the Japanese, he will immediately receive a maidan in Russian.
        No one will notice or sweeten as with a pension.
    28. +1
      9 July 2020 23: 05
      Banana Japs on the collar.
    29. 0
      9 July 2020 23: 58
      How long something. And just three letters are needed to formulate.
    30. -6
      10 July 2020 00: 10
      Salam, putriots! Drew off, trampled on japs ​​in full! Oooh! good They are already trembling, and do not think about the Kuril Islands at all! wassat Have you already opened champagne wine? Do not forget Lavrov congratulatory, general ... send. lol bully tongue
    31. +2
      10 July 2020 04: 02
      The Japanese themselves, in addition to developing rare earth, do not need anything there - in the warmer parts of their islands they mostly live, they are not really eager to go to Hokkaido. But the amers, in a geopolitical sense, really want to transfer the islands to close our exit to the ocean tightly, hence the lamentation of the transfer.
    32. 0
      10 July 2020 04: 42
      And we can’t live without this trust? From what moment do we begin to feel it already? And what does the subsequent resolution of this dispute mean. That the people joyfully voted for demarcation, delimitation and delimitation of borders?
    33. +2
      10 July 2020 06: 02
      What nonsense, well, we have no dispute. The Japanese beg for the islands, and we are not scattered with our lands, as unfortunately sometimes happened. That's all, the topic is not worth a damn egg and not a horseradish striped to raise it. And this is our answer to those wishing to grab a Russian fellow countryman.
    34. 0
      10 July 2020 07: 09
      What a dispute? After a new amendment to the Constitution, any territorial concessions are a state crime!
    35. +1
      10 July 2020 07: 47
      These disputes and demands of an endless theater, like the Arab war. No diplomat will ever say categorically NO! The rules are as follows.
    36. 0
      10 July 2020 08: 20
      Initially a wrong message, as there is NO "dispute" between Russia and Japan about the Kuriles (from the word "absolutely"). The Kuril Islands belong to Russia. And it is pointless to argue about what belongs to one and what the other will covet. It is necessary either to repulse this covetous person, or simply not to deal with him. In the case of the Japanese, it is necessary to suppress all their attempts to impose their point of view in Russian society on the territorial integrity of our country. If you look back centuries, then the Japanese are an alien people in those places. And to say that this "original Japanese land" is not necessary, because it did not belong to them.
    37. 0
      10 July 2020 08: 30
      According to Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, create an atmosphere of mutual trust, which will pave the way for further resolution of the territorial dispute.
      But what about the amendment to the constitution2 about the inviolability of borders?
    38. 0
      10 July 2020 10: 56
      In my opinion, the argument has a bold constitutional point.
      The Japanese can now argue arbitrarily long, but now only with themselves.
    39. 0
      10 July 2020 15: 23
      There are no disputes.
      There are corrupt creatures in Russia.
    40. 0
      11 July 2020 11: 02
      Why was this comment posted? They decided to violate the constitution? )))

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