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Su-30MKI is out of work: The high altitude turned out to be the combat niche of Indian MiG-29 fighters

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The theater of war, which is forming in the disputed areas of Tibet, has a unique geographical position. The front line is located in the highlands, allowing military equipment to demonstrate its willingness to work effectively in specific conditions.


As the American edition of Military Watch, Indian aviation It has a number of advantages in comparison with the opposing Chinese forces. It is armed with AH-64E Apache attack helicopters, optimized for high-altitude combat operations. Moreover, their firepower is significantly higher than that of the Chinese Z-10 rotorcraft.

An appropriate combat “partner” of the “Apaches”, already transferred to the designated theater, is the MiG-29 fighter. The French Rafals, which have a low flight ceiling, are clearly out of place. Therefore, it is logical that it was Soviet cars that were sent to the Ladakh region. MiG-29s have a higher flight altitude and the ability to take off from shorter runways, which is especially important, given the underdeveloped infrastructure. The Su-30MKI, requiring longer runways, apparently, for this reason remained out of work after the Rafals.

In combat conditions, the functional niche of various military equipment is quickly determined. Therefore, it should be expected that the MiG-29 optimally suited for the highlands will be supplemented with a more modern modification of the MiG-35, the Military Watch believes.
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 9 July 2020 05: 20 New
    14
    Maybe everything is much simpler? For those tasks, the MiG29 is enough, the more expensive Su30s were simply decided not to be used in the mountains, because in the case of a zaporoshka they can work from the foothills, and now they are available in difficult mountain conditions, where their operation and maintenance are more expensive than on plain landfills superfluous.
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 9 July 2020 06: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      Maybe everything is much simpler? For those tasks, the MiG29 is enough, the more expensive Su30s were simply decided not to be used in the mountains, because in the case of a zaporoshka they can work from the foothills, and now they are available in difficult mountain conditions, where their operation and maintenance are more expensive than on plain landfills superfluous.

      Still easier. Just an American edition praises and promotes its defense industry.
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 9 July 2020 06: 19 New
        13
        And he discourages the Indians from acquiring the Su-30MKI :)
      2. venik
        venik 9 July 2020 07: 27 New
        +7
        Quote: Bulls.
        Still easier. Just an American edition praises and promotes its defense industry.

        ========
        What is this "way", father? The article is only about the "Apache", and that - briefly, about their other (American) equipment, they do not speak at all ....
        On the contrary - it turns out that the Russian MiG-29 is the most successful choice for these conditions!
      3. gurzuf
        gurzuf 9 July 2020 09: 57 New
        +5
        Still simpler. Just Americans are asleep and see the clash between the Indians and the Chinese.
    2. Civil
      Civil 9 July 2020 07: 17 New
      0
      An appropriate combat “partner” of the “Apaches”, already transferred to the designated theater, is the MiG-29 fighter.

      Be sure to drag your "Apache")
    3. Maz
      Maz 9 July 2020 08: 09 New
      +1
      They have already begun to breed troops. The Franks are waging war and want to strike their planes, at the same time making excuses.
  2. svp67
    svp67 9 July 2020 05: 26 New
    10
    MiG-29, fighter aircraft, aircraft soldier. Being a battlefield airplane, and even adapted for use at poorly trained airfields, he now best of all approached the work that could be demanded there, namely, supporting the actions of his troops and gaining air superiority over the battlefield. Yes, and he is cheaper than all his "visa-a-vi", which is also a lot of important point
    1. mvg
      mvg 9 July 2020 10: 04 New
      -11
      fighter plane, fighter plane.

      Again it began ... "The cuckoo praises .... for praising the one ...". Where did this “fighter" show himself? In Iraq, Yugoslavia or in Africa, where he lost dry and F-16 and Su-27.
      The results of greenhouse training fights are usually different from real life. The MiG-29 has significantly worse radar than the J-10C / D. Like the Chinese missiles are more interesting than the old P77 / 27, and the training of pilots, I think it’s not in favor of the gypsies. Already let Rafal'i disgrace
      1. svp67
        svp67 9 July 2020 10: 11 New
        +4
        Quote: mvg
        Where did this “fighter" show himself?

        Now In Libya ...
        Quote: mvg
        In Iraq, Yugoslavia or in Africa, where he lost dry and F-16 and Su-27.

        But how many Ethiopians tormented themselves with the Su-27, eliminating all its technical “bugs”, the “Eritreans” had no problems with the reliability of the MiGs and they used them to support the troops on the ground, which helped them defeat, although by losing three MiGs .. .
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 9 July 2020 18: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: mvg
        The MiG-29 has significantly worse radar than the J-10C / D.

        MiG-29M / M2, which passes as MiG-35-1, is armed with a radar with AFAR
        Radar with AFAR Beetle-a
        The maximum detection range of ground targets is up to 60 km
        The maximum detection range of an aerodynamic target with an EPR of 5 sq. M is up to 200 km (for export, up to 148 km)

        For some reason, the whales are modestly silent about this.
        And the second one. The new aircraft demonstrated excellent technical characteristics, including high speed, maneuverability, survivability, and advanced weapons. At the same time, the price of the MiG-35 flight hour was almost 2,5 times lower than that of the predecessor MiG-29. Our 29m / m2 was the only aircraft that passed the high altitude test at the tender, when other child prodigies simply "did not start." But according to the political-corruption scheme, Raffaello defeated! And when the smell of gunpowder and it became necessary to pay blood, suddenly the brahmanas came to their senses!
        That's why Indians buy our MiG for some reason.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 9 July 2020 21: 51 New
          0
          Quote: BoA KAA
          MiG-29M / M2, which passes as MiG-35-1, is armed with a radar with AFAR

          Alas, no-slot. There is no option with AFAR even for its own Air Force, there is an advertisement which has been 15 years old. Now the next deadline for the emergence of the option with AFAR is the end of 2020. There are two difficulties: the first is the production of the AFAR itself, the second is its cost.
          Quote: BoA KAA
          But according to the political-corruption scheme, Raffaello defeated!

          In the 2012 tender, Mig flew one of the first. Then he was not ready at all. Now the situation is better, but he still has little chance of a new Indian tender.
          Quote: BoA KAA
          That's why Indians buy our MiG for some reason.

          Bought in the 80s) Now 9-12 to 9-20 modernize. The last thing they bought from Miga-ship. And frankly, they are not happy with her.
          1. bayard
            bayard 10 July 2020 00: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: Odyssey
            In the 80s they bought

            And now they are buying.
            In an emergency.
            NOT NEW.
            With storage bases with modernization.
            And for GOOD money.
            And the MiG-35 also in the light of recent events greatly strengthened its position in the upcoming new tender series.
            And AFAR will finish. Under the Indian contract - for sure.
            1. Odysseus
              Odysseus 10 July 2020 00: 45 New
              0
              Quote: bayard
              And now they are buying.
              In an emergency.
              NOT NEW.
              With storage bases with modernization.

              Right. I missed the latest news. Thank you for clarifying. 21 board for 990 is normal money. Even taking into account modernization to the level of 9-20. It’s a pity to give your sides, of course, but there is an opportunity to deliver quickly.
              Quote: bayard
              And AFAR will finish. Under the Indian contract - for sure.

              Finished. If the contract will be. However, they promise to finish it like that. We'll see.
              Quote: bayard
              And the MiG-35 also in the light of recent events greatly strengthened its position in the upcoming new tender series.

              Perhaps I agree. What our people definitely win is their efficiency. But still, I think they won’t take the Mig-35s for the future. However, I will only be glad to make a mistake.
              1. bayard
                bayard 10 July 2020 01: 26 New
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                Quote: Odyssey
                It’s a pity to give your sides, of course, but there is an opportunity to deliver quickly.

                These sides are from the storage base, so this contract is an extremely beneficial disposal option. lol ... with modernization.
                In the amount from this contract, you can either launch the MiG-35 series or start financing AFAR.
        2. Stalllker
          Stalllker 13 July 2020 18: 53 New
          0
          Now it’s not about a new plane) Of course Mig 35 is an interesting device, but it is not there)
      3. Pavel57
        Pavel57 10 July 2020 03: 35 New
        0
        Can you learn more about Chinese missiles, which is more interesting especially for the R-77?
      4. Adimius38
        Adimius38 10 July 2020 06: 53 New
        +1
        In Iraq, Yugoslavia)))))) and you compared the forces of the parties that was thrown against Yugoslavia and Iraq? so compare. Multiple numerical advantage of NATO aviation in the sky with early warning aircraft. A large percentage of aviation in particular in Iraq was lost without even taking off. There is no fault Mig-29, he could not do anything in such conditions, put in its place F-35, Su-57 and they would not do anything either
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 9 July 2020 05: 31 New
    -2
    Apparently, for this reason the Su-30MKI, requiring longer ranges, remained out of work after the Rafals.
    Write in Russian. No farther and closer runways. There are longer runways.
    1. Aviationism
      Aviationism 9 July 2020 06: 35 New
      +3
      The author wrote correctly. Runways long enough for Sushki are far from the theater of operations. This is a distant GDP.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 9 July 2020 06: 41 New
        -1
        Quote: Aviationism
        The author wrote correctly. Runways long enough for Sushki are far from the theater of operations. This is a distant GDP.
        The author does not need baby talk and has already made a correction.
        The Su-30MKI, requiring longer runways, apparently, for this reason remained out of work after the Rafals.
        1. ancient
          ancient 9 July 2020 17: 54 New
          -1
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          The author does not need baby talk and has already made a correction.

          The author wrote utter stupidity !!! type - Requiring longer runways Su-30MKI, apparently, for this reason remained out of work.
          The difference in meters and then ... "must see", but the range, weight b / c, the capabilities of PrNK ..... UPG .. quietly resting.
          In short, why argue ... we open the RLE of both ..... we choose the same conditions for take-off and landing and forward ... by nomograms wink
        2. Aviationism
          Aviationism 10 July 2020 08: 10 New
          -1
          Rudeness is a sign of weakness of reasoning!
  4. Lebed
    Lebed 9 July 2020 05: 50 New
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    So Migushi came in handy. And then they all snorted and turned their nose.
    1. Pavel73
      Pavel73 9 July 2020 06: 22 New
      0
      Migusha is good. But for its class (light front-line fighter), it is too complicated and expensive. If he had one engine, at least the same AL-31F, he would be a worthy competitor to the F-16. Yes, and maintenance would be simplified thanks to unification with the Su-27th family. And so neither this nor that.
      1. Lebed
        Lebed 9 July 2020 06: 35 New
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        Yes, they do not want to refuse two engines in our military leadership. Although, if desired, it would be possible to create a plane with one engine from the SU, in the weight category between the Yak-130 and Mig-29/35. But this is a terrible heterogeneity is obtained.
        1. sivuch
          sivuch 9 July 2020 09: 14 New
          +1
          This train has long left. In the 80-90s there were very good projects of single-engine LFI, but now to create a car from scratch, including with Stealth elements (and who needs it without them) - very unlikely.
          1. mvg
            mvg 9 July 2020 10: 07 New
            -1
            very good projects of single-engine LFI

            More, pliz ... We did not have such an engine. But there are the words of one of the designers: If we had our own F-100/110, then the MiG-29 would be single-engine (maybe a legend)
            1. sivuch
              sivuch 9 July 2020 10: 31 New
              +4
              Honestly - I’m already tired of answering this nonsense. This is Belyakov’s excuse (although I’m not sure that he really said that - it’s not durak) that appears every few months.
              It’s not funny to yourself - they created Mig-15/17, Mig-21, Mig-23 - there were suitable engines, and then -bats, and disappeared. And this is at the time when the Al-31 appeared, which in terms of specific parameters was not inferior to the F-100 series (and the 110th too). I only yielded by the resource - all the more it is better to change 1 rather than 2 engines. By the way, in addition to Al-31, there were 2 other projects - R-59F-300 and D-30F-9.
              And I gave a reference to projects quite recently -
              “Russia has nothing to offer ... like others”: in Vietnam on the replacement of MiG-21 fighters
              I recommend - it reads like a novel
              http://forums.airbase.ru/2005/11/t35600_7--v-rossii-mozhet-byt-razrabotan-odnodvigatelnyj-istrebitel-py.html
              In Russia, a fifth-generation single-engine fighter can be developed (part 7, and beyond, too). And also it
              http://forums.airbase.ru/2008/02/t59670_23--neskolko-voprosov-pro-mig-29.html
              A few questions about the Mig-29 (part 23 onwards) are also here about the choice of 1 or 2-motor schemes.
              1. mvg
                mvg 9 July 2020 10: 51 New
                -1
                I read and answer. D-30F embodied, gluttonous, like "a new loaf for a million." hi
                1. sivuch
                  sivuch 9 July 2020 11: 26 New
                  +2
                  Incarnated D-30F6 - for the Mig-31. And with gluttony it was not bad at all - 0.72 at maximum and 1.9 at afterburner. http://www.tmkb-soyuz.ru/42
                  1. mvg
                    mvg 9 July 2020 14: 32 New
                    0
                    Incarnated D-30F6

                    In various versions, still in civilian life. Consumption is the same 0,7 - 0,78, and our civilian engines were always gluttonous than the western ones, therefore, in the heyday of the USSR, nobody took our airliners except for the ATS. By the way, it is not released now. Not needed. Fortunately, when 500 MiG-31s ​​were riveted, there is cannibalism
                    http://avid.ru/avia/?id=28
                    1. sivuch
                      sivuch 9 July 2020 15: 36 New
                      0
                      Actually, for a fighter, 0.72 kg / kg / hour at maximum and 1.9 in afterburner is very bad for the 4th generation, and for the 5th too (other requirements came to the fore there)
                      1. mvg
                        mvg 9 July 2020 16: 01 New
                        0
                        for a fighter 0.72 kg / kg / h

                        I do not know the valid parameters. Depends on what it gives out at maximum. But here is an example: Two Snekm engines on Rafal give out 2 * 11200 pounds force ~ 10160 kgf, One D0F6 ~ 12000 kgf. Around equal. Only at the highs of the engine Snekma ud consumption 2 * 0,22 =0,44 and D30F6 =0,72
                        Calculations, links to give, or believe? This despite the fact that the Frenchman and intercontinental and kapitalka three times higher
                      2. Lozovik
                        Lozovik 9 July 2020 17: 31 New
                        +2
                        Quote: mvg
                        Two Snekm engines on Rafal give out 2 * 11200 pounds force ~ 10160 kgf, One D0F6 ~ 12000 kgf.

                        Where did such wild meanings come from?

                        Quote: mvg
                        Only in the highs of the Sneckma engines, the flow rate is 2 * 0,22 = 0,44 and in D30F6 = 0,72

                        At M88, the Court is kr = 0,78 (from the Safran website https://www.safran-aircraft-engines.com/military-engines/training-and-combat-aircraft/m88). What is the point of this comment? Fate the Soviet?

                        Quote: mvg
                        Calculations, links to give, or believe?

                        Multiply the unit costs by 2 and without bringing Pcr this of course fool
                      3. sivuch
                        sivuch 9 July 2020 17: 35 New
                        0
                        Sorry, didn’t notice.
                        However, the opponent seems to have forgotten himself how the discussion began - that there were supposedly no engines. similar to the F-100. It would seem - and what does Rafali with the M-88 have to do with it? winked
                      4. mvg
                        mvg 9 July 2020 18: 50 New
                        0
                        Where did such wild meanings come from?

                        Sorry, drove away

                        https://ru.qwe.wiki/wiki/Snecma_M88#General_characteristics
                      5. mvg
                        mvg 9 July 2020 19: 00 New
                        +3
                        What is the point of this comment? Fate the Soviet?

                        Yes, I need to spoil the Soviet. I lived normally under the Soviets. I do not like the MiG-31, and it is not clear why it was banged in such a quantity. The party said?
                      6. Odysseus
                        Odysseus 9 July 2020 21: 36 New
                        0
                        Quote: mvg
                        Yes, I need to spoil the Soviet. I lived normally under the Soviets. I do not like the MiG-31, and it is not clear why it was banged in such a quantity. The party said?

                        As a complex for intercepting bombers and cruise missiles for the North. High-speed aircraft with long-range missiles and powerful radar. He changed the Tu-128 and Su-15. It’s better to do such tasks on it than on the 128th.
                        In terms of production, in the current miserable times, 510 boards seem fantastic. according to Soviet, not so much was produced. For example, the Mig-25 was caught somewhere by 1200 aircraft.
                        And then the Mig-25/31 is a great platform for anything. You never know where you will find where you will lose. Now when we can’t do anything new, they’re even trying to adapt them to Iskander)
                        P / S. Another thing is that the entire late Soviet military strategy, IMHO, is absolutely wrong. If we were only defending ourselves and the world-peace, it would be possible to reduce the production of conventional weapons. And if we attack, we either build aircraft carriers and expeditionary forces, or we don’t pull the cat for the well-known place and attack in Europe. Then nuclear weapons could be produced 2 times less. And, of course, a quarrel with China is simply absurd.
                        But within the framework of the adopted military strategy, the Mig-31 is quite a normal and correct aircraft. This Mig-29 did not work out, it is too expensive and the range is small.
                      7. mvg
                        mvg 9 July 2020 23: 15 New
                        +3
                        Another thing is that the entire late Soviet military strategy, IMHO, is absolutely wrong

                        I reason like this, here the radar detects an armada of B-52s breaking through the North Pole, and what, after that? Chasing solitary Tomahawks? It is necessary to answer the SNF and pray.
                        It is possible, but not sure, to shoot down bombers in-in bombers. In a battle with the Phantoms (wherever they take it) the MiG is useless. Just like a platform for a miracle weapon. What ultimately happened, because The 130 remaining MiGs need to be put somewhere. For me it would be better if the same Tu-22 were saved.
                        PS: No country was interested in him, not even for free. Kazakhs are heirs.
                      8. Pavel57
                        Pavel57 10 July 2020 03: 33 New
                        0
                        The strategy changed from the preferences of the commander in chief. The Tu-128 was supposed to be replaced by the Tu-148.
                2. sivuch
                  sivuch 9 July 2020 17: 33 New
                  +1
                  This is what parrots 0.22? because in kg / kg / hour at M-88 the consumption is quite close - Specific fuel consumption, kgf per hour: afterburner - 1,75 kg, without afterburner - 0,875 kg
                3. sedoj
                  sedoj 9 July 2020 20: 33 New
                  0
                  Parameter table:
                4. mvg
                  mvg 9 July 2020 21: 00 New
                  0
                  You gave those parameters that gave the Lion. At least it seems.
                  I have other data for the French
                  Maximum traction: 50 kN (11200 pounds of force) and 75 kN (16900 pounds of force) (with afterburner), this corresponds to 5080 and 7665 kgf
                  In principle, it is very similar.
                  Thank you, an interesting comparison. hi
                5. sedoj
                  sedoj 9 July 2020 21: 12 New
                  +1
                  The table is taken from an article by Pavel Bulat:
                  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279186519_O_sravnenii_istrebitelej_cetvertogo_i_patogo_pokolenia_c1
                  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279186537_O_sravnenii_istrebitelej_cetvertogo_i_patogo_pokolenia_c2
  5. Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 9 July 2020 11: 04 New
    -3
    In my opinion, with Su 57 we are stepping on the same rake. The USA closed its project of twin-engine 5ocs, all forces are thrown on a single-engine F35. It has a turn of at least 5 years. On Su 57, interest from other countries is extremely small. It is not clear to everyone why to buy a plane similar to Su30 / 35. The same F15 / F16 pair makes it clear which aircraft is needed. Mig 29 is needed for the fleet, as an analogue of FA 18. What made the twin-engine "light" fighter, this is clearly a mistake. At the purchase price, it is not much cheaper than Su27, the operation costs about the same, the possibilities are much less.
    1. +5
      +5 9 July 2020 11: 57 New
      0
      The USA closed its project of twin-engine 5ocs because they thought that there would no longer be a decent air enemy, but enough for the old MiG-29 and Penguin + AWACS ..... and today they are in a situation where Penguin has no air superiority (softly so speaking) over 4 ++, and he merges the Su-57 in everything ... and the F-22 is only 170 pieces and the farther, the less will be ... that is. air superiority will be lost
      1. mvg
        mvg 9 July 2020 14: 35 New
        0
        and he merges the Su-57 in everything ..

        Did I miss something? Is there a SU-57? And how many? And there was an imitation of air combat? Educate the results.
        1. +5
          +5 9 July 2020 15: 36 New
          0
          01.08.2020/35/XNUMX Earth will fly onto the celestial axis? Or Yellowstone on Kristamas smells and America - kirdyk? That's the Fy-XNUMX program for decades.

          Imitation??? Yes, you are from the penguin worshipers who are holier than LockheedMartin ... who made the Single Assault Fighter so that a 3in1, stealth and 1 engine .... even he or US AirFors (who ordered F-15 from his supernatural abilities) will not whistle about his outstanding abilities of an air fighter
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 9 July 2020 05: 57 New
    13
    This is either a poor translation or just an absurd article by an American publication.
    They just started getting rafals, and the Indians can’t deploy them in any way. Attempts to sell the Mig-35 to India for the past 15 years, and so far no progress has been made. The MiG-29 is really well adapted for operations from poor runways, but Indian aviation as a whole has no advantages.
    And the conflict, in fact, is already over - “timid Indians fled” An attempt to transfer the situation to the stage of armed confrontation will only lead to the fact that the line of actual control will only move even further into India.
    With the PLA to fight is not dancing around the gun to arrange.
    1. Aviationism
      Aviationism 9 July 2020 06: 58 New
      -1
      I agree with your comment, but the new MiG-35 has nothing to do with the old 35. And if India acquires them with a deflected thrust vector, then they will have the most capable fighter for air supremacy at the moment.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 9 July 2020 07: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Aviationism
        . And if India acquires them with a deflected thrust vector, then they will have the most capable fighter for air supremacy at the present time.

        Mig-35 which is being tested for our Air Force (VKS) has a slot radar. Why in 2020 a new, very expensive twin-engine aircraft with an initially outdated radar, this great secret is. But if our Air Force has no choice, although they shove as much as they can from happiness, then the Indians who are walking with their beloved wives among the Indians who are now in America cannot be fooled by this at all. There are simply no serial versions of AFAR in serial form, and even the Indians say that it will be a little expensive and it’s easier for them to upgrade 9-20.
        Of course, it is difficult to say that in the end they will decide, because they have 7 Fridays a week, a lot will depend on politics and on how much and to whom they will bring. money. But, in my opinion, the chances of the MiG-35 are not very high.
        1. Grits
          Grits 9 July 2020 08: 56 New
          0
          Quote: Odyssey
          Mig-35 which is being tested for our Air Force (VKS) has a slot radar. Why in 2020 a new, very expensive twin-engine aircraft with an initially outdated radar, this great secret is.

          Indeed, the Indians understand that they need a choice - either an expensive heavy twin-engine aircraft with a powerful AFAR, or a light, cheap, single engine with a simplified radar. And in no way a mixture of these two - there is still no balance of price and quality.
          And such aircraft are needed not only in India. Many countries are ready to buy a light single-engine front-line fighter. But we, unfortunately, have none. Even for myself
          1. sivuch
            sivuch 9 July 2020 09: 17 New
            0
            unsubscribed a little higher - it was necessary to think earlier - at the time of Belyakov and Korzhuyev. Now this market is lost.
          2. Odysseus
            Odysseus 9 July 2020 22: 08 New
            0
            Quote: Gritsa
            Indeed, the Indians understand that they need a choice - either an expensive heavy twin-engine aircraft with a powerful AFAR, or a light, cheap, single engine with a simplified radar

            By the way, I think that the option with a slot radar (Mig-29m2) has even more export prospects than the option with AFAR. A simple version can at least be dumped (as is the case with Egypt), but in the case of the AFAR option, a rich buyer is needed.
            1. Grits
              Grits 10 July 2020 08: 45 New
              0
              Quote: Odyssey
              A simple version can at least be dumped (as is the case with Egypt), but in the case of the AFAR option, a rich buyer is needed.

              Here I am about the same
        2. Aviationism
          Aviationism 9 July 2020 22: 46 New
          0
          Your information does not match the announced data of the MiG-35 (Russia and India).
          https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/india-likely-to-purchase-additional-mig-29-batches-they-could-be-its-last

          (The upcoming batch of MiG-29 fighters may be the last one India will purchase, as the country is expected to begin purchases of its next generation successor the MiG-35 in the near future. The MiG-35 makes use of much of the same maintenance infrastructure to the MIG-29 and has a similar weight, but benefits from integration of next generation technologies including R-37M hypersonic air to air missiles, AESA radars and three dimensional thrust vectoring engines. The MiG-35's operational cost is approximately one fifth of that of the MiG-29.)
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 10 July 2020 00: 49 New
            -1
            Quote: Aviationism
            Your information does not match the announced data of the MiG-35 (Russia and India).
            https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/india-likely-to-purchase-additional-mig-29-batches-they-could-be-its-last

            Under the Hindu contract, another Mig-2012 with AFAR was announced for the 35 tender. And even more so, it is announced now. The question is that there is no ready mass production of aircraft with AFAR, and the Indians did not want to modify the aircraft for their own.
      2. mvg
        mvg 9 July 2020 10: 14 New
        +2
        but the new MiG-35 has nothing to do with the old 35

        A small “but”: there is no MiG-35, there are no aircraft, nor its final configuration, nor pilots on it. The best we can offer is the MiG-29SM2 from the VKS, and maybe we will pick up a few air-to-air missiles, a couple of dozen.
    2. venik
      venik 9 July 2020 07: 22 New
      +4
      Quote: Odyssey
      They just started getting rafals, and the Indians can’t deploy them in any way.

      ========
      Absolutely right! They have only just received the first small batch there - they have not yet mastered it properly ..... Yes, and due to capriciousness and whimsicality, Rafal is poorly suited for working with poorly trained airfields. So, it’s unlikely that they will drive them into the mountains even when they receive everything and master it well .... As for the “dryers,” as I wrote above Thrifty - Thanks to a much wider range of action, they can perfectly work from remote bases. Driving them to the cutting edge is nonsense!
      So it turns out - you can’t imagine anything better than an unpretentious, reliable MiG capable of working from high-altitude airfields in this situation!
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 9 July 2020 07: 02 New
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    I’m just wondering what is so unique about the mountain plateau, with heights of 5000 m.? Like ... but I will not submit? Maybe there the sources of great rivers, or deposits of something valuable? Maybe we just don’t know something?
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 9 July 2020 09: 57 New
      +2
      India considers its territory. And what's the difference, are there any resources there or not? You need to protect your territory.
  • Tibul
    Tibul 9 July 2020 07: 46 New
    +2
    American edition of Military Watch ... On its arsenal are AH-64E Apache attack helicopters, optimized for high-altitude combat operations. Moreover, their firepower is significantly higher than that of the Chinese Z-10 rotorcraft.

    Apache, apache, our most apache ... Spring will show who crap where.
    1. Grits
      Grits 9 July 2020 08: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Tibul
      Spring will show who crap where.

      There will be no "snowdrops." Alpine glaciers do not melt.
  • Yrec
    Yrec 9 July 2020 08: 59 New
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    MW should be paid to such a very important detail as the color of the buttons on the outfit of the Indians and Chinese. The Chinese have green buttons, and the Indians have brown, which in the highlands, due to much more intense UV radiation, will have an extremely negative effect on the fighting efficiency of the Indians - the buttons will quickly become unusable and incapacitate military personnel. A joke, if that. wassat
  • Constanty
    Constanty 9 July 2020 09: 53 New
    +3
    Someone will explain to me why the Polish chessboard was removed from the cover photo of the MiG29 ???

    here in the original picture:


    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 9 July 2020 11: 30 New
      +1
      Cool picture!
    2. Antokha
      Antokha 9 July 2020 20: 19 New
      0
      We do not like Poles
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 July 2020 10: 40 New
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    And what are the limitations of Rafal and Su30, which the MiG29 does not have? The thrust-weight ratio of both is higher ..... And it was the Hindus who needed to buy Ka52 by helicopters. They have his ability to fly in the mountains is critically important.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 9 July 2020 11: 16 New
      -1
      As soon as the Ka 52 has working analogs of the AN / APG-76 Longbow radar, GM-114R-3 Hellfire II, it will become interesting. In the meantime, he is of no interest to the main weapon of the NAR.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 9 July 2020 11: 30 New
        +1
        For Hindus, this issue is completely resolved. They have contacts with Israel on weapons and equipment. Radars and Spikes are quite affordable. And no one, unlike business with the United States, will not learn how to live on.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 9 July 2020 12: 02 New
          -1
          Play constructor? Buy a car and then invest as much money in modernization? What for? When there is a ready.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 9 July 2020 12: 15 New
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            Why .... Buy Ka52 without or with minimal avionics. And put what you yourself want. I think in the end it will come to that. By the way, the Mi35 without anti-tank systems was already shown in the Military Acceptance. And with progressive IR, Optical systems, Communications and ATGM in combination with the Ka52 LA would be a good offer.
  • +5
    +5 9 July 2020 11: 58 New
    +1
    Apache is good in the mountains ???? If only in comparison with the Chinese ...
  • iouris
    iouris 9 July 2020 12: 37 New
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    This is called: "To go hunting - to feed the dogs."
  • jaroff
    jaroff 9 July 2020 17: 57 New
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    It is ridiculous to read about the fact that the Su30MKI needs a longer runway. The plane has a short take-off mode, which has been repeatedly shown at various air shows in the zero years, and it is with this mode that the planes are delivered to India.
  • av58
    av58 12 July 2020 22: 21 New
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    I don’t know anything about the capabilities of the Su-30MKI to take off from short lanes, but MiG-29 take-off from a 250m lane using a springboard is possible, and was demonstrated in Zhukovsky 25 years ago.