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“They had a right ...” How Crimean rhetoric is changing in Ukraine

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One of the rather prominent Ukrainian politicians, the mayor of Kharkov, Gennady Kernes, in a recent interview, allowed himself a statement, which is actually a recognition of the legality of the annexation of Crimea to Russia in 2014. Not so long ago, such liberties for any public person in the "winter" were impossible without serious risk to a career, or even to life and health. Has something really changed?


For a better understanding of the essence of the issue, it is perhaps worth recalling the tone in which Ukrainian politicians, officials and the media spoke about Crimea, the choice made by its residents, and the prospects for further developments, starting from the moment when the peninsula civilized and legitimately designed divorce ”with Ukraine.

First of all, of course, a wave of anger and resentment was raised: “But how is that? They beat ours! Robbed in broad daylight! ” The fact that no one robbed anyone, much less beaten, did not matter at all. The main thing was to "wind up" their own fellow citizens, and above all the world community. Alas, in many ways the goal was achieved. Sanctions were imposed against Russia, and many Ukrainians to this day continue to moan sadly: “Why did they take the Crimea from us ?!”

Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who climbed into the chair of the Prime Minister of Ukraine on the Maidan wave, I remember, soberly evaluating his own strengths, he said that the peninsula would certainly return to the bosom of the Nenki, but certainly not during the lifetime of the current generation. In the course of time, both the media and the politics of the “wholehearted” from lamenting and sorrowful cries of the lost switched to vicious and gloomy predictions about the incalculable calamities awaiting Crimea and its inhabitants, who so recklessly got into “the greedy hands of Russia”. What they did not predict: hunger, drought, the collapse of the tourism industry, the general sending of Crimeans either to Siberia, or even further.

All kinds of “experts” on the topic of the Crimean bridge, which would certainly “collapse”, “collapse”, and so on, were particularly active and inventive. The most unpleasant thing is that if not all the infamous "horror stories", then Kiev tried to realize many of them, so to speak, with their own hands, starting trade, transport, energy, water and other blockades of Crimea. According to the plan of the strategists from the “unfathomable”, terrified of what is happening and afraid of a possible continuation, the Crimeans either had to massively request back, or even “expel the invaders”. At a minimum, become for the Russian authorities a source of very big problems.

That was precisely what the then President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko firmly counted on, saying that sooner or later Crimea would “become an overwhelming burden for Russia,” and she would “leave it herself.” The calculation was made on international sanctions, but also on the “revolt” of the Crimeans as a result of the unbearable conditions created by him, too. Nevertheless, the inhabitants of the peninsula, of course, not without the help of the "mainland", steadfastly and courageously endured all the hardships and hardships organized by Ukraine. After that, of course, they became even stronger in dislike for the former “homeland” and in the thought of the correctness of the choice made.

Meanwhile, in Ukraine, the "Crimean question" turned into a kind of fetish, a "litmus test" to test the "patriotism", but in fact - the degree of loyalty of the post-Maidan authorities and the ideals of deep-seated Russophobia cherished by it. The question "Whose Crimea?" invariably asked not only politicians or public figures, but also people of art, athletes and representatives of show business, and not only those who have Ukrainian citizenship. Thus, they tried to calculate all sorts of malicious “separs” and “quilted jackets,” that is, people who have their own opinion, recognize the right to it for others, and, most importantly, categorically do not want to hate Russia and Russians.

The fading interest in the topic leaped with renewed vigor during the last presidential election. Some particularly unscrupulous applicants like Oleg Lyashko hung the country with billboards, from which they directly promised to "return the Crimea", without explaining, however, exactly how. The more sane, like Yulia Tymoshenko, promised the Crimeans (as well as the residents of Donbass) "de-occupation and restoration", hinting at the eternal "abroad will help us." Poroshenko, tearing for a second term, continued to shake the air with assurances that the Ukrainian flag, coat of arms and Ukrainian authorities would certainly return to the peninsula.

The current head of state, Vladimir Zelensky, during the election race, as usual, when it came to serious things in which he did not have his own position, mumbled something unintelligible about the “lost information war” and that the Crimeans, choosing their fate, "were influenced."

Only the opposition candidate, Yuriy Boyko, said more or less honestly, saying that not a single politician in Ukraine, unless he is a suicide, will say that Crimea is legally owned by Russia, and adding that Kiev consistently and purposefully does everything to ensure that Crimea hated him more and more ...

Has anything changed since then? Yes and no. In the heads of Kiev pro-government politicians and "patriots" absolutely nothing has changed. They are still trying to speculate on the topic of “annexation of the peninsula”, asking for something from Western “partners” or trying to attract Russia to another lawsuit in international instances. Well, except that they had to somewhat reduce the tone of their own whining, which already tired of the order of even the most supportive listeners. As an internal agenda, the “Crimean question” has completely depreciated: Ukrainians are not fools and they see very well that not one of the “predictions” about the fate of the peninsula, chilling, has come true. There are no crowds of defectors seeking to get from the peninsula to Russia that finally became part of Russia. So, everything there is not so bad as they have been told all these years!

Best of all, perhaps, the change in the rhetoric of Ukrainian authorities in Crimea was described in an interview with Voice of America by one of the most consistent fighters for the return of the peninsula Refat Chubarov, leader of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, banned in Russia. This figure bitterly complains that the representatives of official Kiev, "continuing to say that Crimea is Ukrainian territory," however, "no longer mention Russia as a factor in its loss" and "the occupying country." He reproaches the current government for “seeking peace, not for the fullness of truth” and therefore “does not seek to find ways of cardinal pressure” on our country.

But how to find what is not? And frankly Russophobic attacks over time are becoming more expensive. At least in Kiev they began to learn a little bit of it. That's why the passions in the speeches of even “fiery patriots” are reduced, and people who were not originally related to them, like the same Kernes, are already starting to allow themselves to express seditious thoughts that “Crimeans had every right to a referendum”, feeling the wind change.

Will this lead to the fact that in Kiev they will eventually come to terms with the obvious and recognize the legitimacy of the will of their own former citizens? In the current local political coordinate system - in no case. But the nasty things about Crimea and Russia from there will certainly sound somewhat less.
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  1. maxim1987
    maxim1987 9 July 2020 15: 11 New
    +8
    you can’t deceive hohland chuyka
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 9 July 2020 15: 41 New
      11
      This is Kernes then Ukrainian belay ?
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 9 July 2020 16: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: Hagalaz
        This is Kernes then Ukrainian

        In the above comment, did the "Ukrainians" be mentioned? On the face - another definition that is defining state... There is no soul no - the insanity of an entire nation ...

        Quote: maximNNX
        hohland you can’t fool a chuik
        1. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz 9 July 2020 18: 16 New
          +3
          So I wrote it as it should laughing, but only the right word IN automatically redo into Ukrainian lol (simplest programming). So there’s no difference in understanding things with you hi .
      2. Avior
        Avior 9 July 2020 16: 25 New
        +1
        Gennady Adolfovich? But what about smile
        Actually, he always said that.
        Famous character. He is in a jacket and pit in the video
        "Dopa and Gepa Make a movie" smile
        https://youtu.be/Lr1nt0ploFo
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 9 July 2020 17: 01 New
          +4
          Quote: Avior
          Famous character

          Hepa will soon be able to pass between the drops in the rain - like Comrade Mikoyan. smile
          His political maneuvering in 2014 alone is worth what.
        2. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz 9 July 2020 18: 29 New
          0
          Quote: Avior

          Actually, he always said that.

          AND! Well then I believe! Then you also need to believe what is written on the fence laughing
      3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 July 2020 11: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Hagalaz
        Ukrainian

        Why do you call all Ukrainians hohhlamami? Among them are many normal people. You should not identify these concepts. Hochhol is a special state of the brain caused in that territory by some local infection.
        PS: everything, I understand, it's not you - these are website tools from people from Ukraine scratching one comb.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 July 2020 16: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: maximNNX
      you can’t deceive hohland chuyka

      Troubles ass for a kilometer feel laughing
      1. novel66
        novel66 9 July 2020 16: 44 New
        +2
        but still get involved ... lol hi hi
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 July 2020 17: 04 New
          +2
          National tradition
          Hey Ya hi
    3. Civil
      Civil 9 July 2020 16: 44 New
      +3
      Benya quick to change caps)
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 9 July 2020 18: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: Civil
        Benya quick to change caps)

        One of the rather prominent Ukrainian politicians, the mayor of Kharkov, Gennady Kernes, in a recent interview, made a statement,

        So it happened today in Ukraine, clever thoughts often haunt current politicians, but winked politicians are faster.
  2. Evdokim
    Evdokim 9 July 2020 15: 18 New
    +5
    Will this lead to the fact that in Kiev they will eventually come to terms with the obvious and recognize the legitimacy of the will of their own former citizens?

    And where do they get to !!! And they are wiping their snot and tears and ask for a loan. laughing tongue
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 9 July 2020 16: 32 New
      +8
      Quote: Evdokim
      And where do they get to !!! And they are wiping their snot and tears and ask for a loan.

      I have one Madame from Kharkov in VK answered my post. My post was about the fact that I was nowhere other than Russia, I was just going to Ukraine in Crimea, as Crimea became Russian. She was indignant only at the fact that I wrote IN Ukraine and not a word about the Russian Crimea.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 9 July 2020 17: 06 New
        12
        Quote: evgenii67
        She was indignant only on what I wrote IN Ukraine

      2. Evdokim
        Evdokim 9 July 2020 17: 20 New
        +6
        Quote: evgenii67
        She was indignant only on what I wrote IN Ukraine

        Listen, what's the difference where to send "B" or "ON", the road is well-known to everyone, at least in Ukrainian, at least in Russian. hi
        1. Vestovoi
          Vestovoi 9 July 2020 17: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: Evdokim
          Quote: evgenii67
          She was indignant only on what I wrote IN Ukraine

          Listen, what's the difference where to send "B" or "ON", the road is well-known to everyone, at least in Ukrainian, at least in Russian. hi

          I remember Chernomyrdin popularly explained this to Ukrainians ..))))
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 9 July 2020 18: 20 New
          +5
          Quote: Evdokim
          what difference does it make where to send “B” or “ON”, the road is well known to everyone, at least in Ukrainian, at least in Russian.

          And the end point of this journey is in Peru.
          1. Poetry
            Poetry 9 July 2020 19: 22 New
            +1
            Well done Peruvians! Our people. Not in vain did I go to films with Goiko Mitich.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 9 July 2020 19: 43 New
              +3
              Quote: Poetiszaugla
              Not in vain did I go to films with Goiko Mitich.

              And he is Yugoslav lol
              1. Poetry
                Poetry 9 July 2020 19: 56 New
                +2
                I know. But he is Chingangchuk !? To the cinema.
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 9 July 2020 20: 00 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Poetiszaugla
                  I know. But he is Chingangchuk !? To the cinema.

                  And vinita smile
                  1. Poetry
                    Poetry 9 July 2020 20: 03 New
                    +4
                    In short for ours, for the redskins. fellow
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin 9 July 2020 20: 27 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Poetiszaugla
                      In short for ours, for the redskins.

                      I read books about them, watched films about them
                      For them drinks
          2. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 9 July 2020 19: 42 New
            +5
            Quote: Nagan
            And the end point of this journey is in Peru.

            Well yes
        3. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 July 2020 18: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: Evdokim
          everyone knows the road

          And the place is the same laughing
      3. svp67
        svp67 9 July 2020 18: 42 New
        +5
        Quote: evgenii67
        She was indignant only at the fact that I wrote IN Ukraine and not a word about the Russian Crimea.

        And you ask this madam, who is she? Ukrainian or Russian? If she’s Ukrainian, then there’s nothing to teach her Russian, you don’t learn Ukrainian, and if she’s Russian, then let us remember that we have always visited not only Ukraine, but also Russia
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 July 2020 19: 44 New
          +4
          Quote: svp67
          that we always traveled not only to Ukraine, but also to Russia

          And to the north for earnings lol
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 9 July 2020 20: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          traveled not only to Ukraine, but also to Russia

          Usually they didn’t go to Russia, but rather they drove in, and these visits were clearly not friendly or there were “goodwill”. All sorts of Pechenegs, Polovtsy, Tatars, including Crimean. And where are they all now? It is good if autonomy is a part of Russia, and then only mention is made on the dusty pages of chronicles.
          1. svp67
            svp67 9 July 2020 20: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: Nagan
            Usually they didn’t go to Russia, but rather they drove in, and these visits were clearly not friendly or there were “goodwill”

            But why? Pskov and Novgorod did not consider themselves Rus and from there the merchants traveled with goods ...
  3. svp67
    svp67 9 July 2020 15: 20 New
    0
    But the nasty things about Crimea and Russia from there will certainly sound somewhat less.
    Blessed is he who believes ...
    1. Vestovoi
      Vestovoi 9 July 2020 17: 24 New
      -2
      Quote: svp67
      But the nasty things about Crimea and Russia from there will certainly sound somewhat less.
      Blessed is he who believes ...

      Also hard to believe .. "Brothers Ukrainians" revealed themselves in all its glory .. Maybe for the better. hi
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. Vestovoi
          Vestovoi 9 July 2020 20: 21 New
          -5
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: Vestovoi
          . "Brothers Ukrainians" revealed themselves in all its glory .. Maybe for the better.


          Well, something goes Sergey !!!! Debriefing will be still ... MANDATORY!
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 9 July 2020 20: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: Vestovoi
            Well, something goes Sergey !!!!

            But the photo was deleted laughing
            Debriefing will be still ... MANDATORY!

            Yes, only an idiot can think that everything will get away with him
            1. Vestovoi
              Vestovoi 10 July 2020 14: 32 New
              -4
              Quote: Lipchanin
              But the photo was deleted

              But not with me ...)) Then the minuses are a rod ..)))
  4. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 9 July 2020 15: 23 New
    +7
    But the nasty things about Crimea and Russia from there will certainly sound somewhat less.
    I doubt it very much. He who does not conduct anti-Russian rhetoric in the Outskirts is removed from real power, has no political and power prospects!
  5. alone
    alone 9 July 2020 15: 27 New
    +5
    And what do the words of Kernes, who does not have real power in Ukraine, give? It’s the same as the time the Germans said the opposite.
  6. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 9 July 2020 15: 35 New
    +3
    In Ukraine, if you want to enter the stall of "big Ukrainian politicians" and the ruling class you need to observe three rules

    1. Promise, upon appointment "in place", return Crimea.
    2. Russia is at war with Ukraine (or wants to attack Ukraine).
    3. Russia always has something for us.

    must know the pillar of Ukraine

    1. Ukraine went from the Sumerians, Ukrainian princes ruled in Russia.
    2. Bandera come, order navide.
    3. Ukraine is Europe.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 July 2020 16: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: tihonmarine
      3. Russia always has something for us.

      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 9 July 2020 17: 04 New
        +3
        Humanitarian fat probably overwhelmed the whole of Russia. Lucky people.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 July 2020 17: 12 New
          0
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Humanitarian fat probably overwhelmed the whole of Russia. Lucky people.

          Aha. And a vodka laughing
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 9 July 2020 19: 36 New
            +3
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Aha. And a vodka

            I do not advise you to drink vodka, they insist on dust.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 9 July 2020 19: 45 New
              0
              Quote: tihonmarine
              I do not advise you to drink vodka, they insist on dust.

              Duc mnu pervachek my own much nicer laughing
              so or
              HOME RECIPE OF ELITE COGNAC !! 100 TIMES BETTER BUYING !!

              2 years ago, a friend brought a bottle of brandy. I really thought it was an elite, but it turned out that he was cooking it himself! Now I also make my homemade cognac! One to one to taste with Hennessy!

              Making cognac from vodka or from moonshine is up to you. This is not so important, although there is a difference, only real gourmets can feel these differences.

              Homemade Cognac Recipe

              To prepare our homemade cognac we need:
              - Two tablespoons of dried bark of young oak shoots.
              - One tablespoon of black tea.
              - Three tablespoons of sugar.
              - One teaspoon of baking soda.
              - Eight dry clove inflorescences. (ordinary seasoning).

              We take a bottle of vodka or moonshine, whoever has what, and pour all our prepared ingredients into a bottle. You can mix all this for your reassurance. We close the bottle tightly with a lid and put in a dark place for two weeks. In such proportions, our homemade cognac will have a rich taste. If you don’t like this taste of cognac, then you can add less oak. From my experience I will say that oak bark is different, and even for the first case I would reduce the dose of bark in cognac. This you can then adjust to your liking.
              You can also take tea not weighted, but packaged. In this case, two bags of tea are enough for a bottle of vodka or moonshine.
              After two weeks, you filter your homemade cognac, and roll up the pure cognac already with a lid. Unless of course you are not going to drink already. You can drink it right after draining, but I usually close it with lids and put it in a dark, cool place for storage.

              If you are worried that our homemade cognac will smell like vodka or moonshine, do not worry. I usually use home-made moonshine, I like to be confident in my products, and after two weeks of settling home-made cognac, I do not observe the smell. And if you are stockpiling for the future, and not for now, then you should not even worry.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 9 July 2020 19: 53 New
                +3
                Quote: Lipchanin
                Duc mnu pervachek my own much nicer

                I also prefer my
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 9 July 2020 20: 02 New
                  +1
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  I also prefer my

                  It will not fail lol
              2. Avior
                Avior 9 July 2020 20: 20 New
                +2
                The classic recipe for annealed oak is much better.
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 9 July 2020 20: 32 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Avior
                  The classic recipe for annealed oak is much better.

                  I have been doing this recipe for a year, the taste is indescribable. good
                  What can you experiment with indigrieds
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 9 July 2020 22: 50 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    I have been doing this recipe for a year, the taste is indescribable.

                    And the oak bark tastes great, like a whiskey.
                  2. Avior
                    Avior 9 July 2020 22: 56 New
                    +1
                    it gives a masking taste, like other additives.
                    The annealed oak changes its structure, absorbs all sorts of muck from moonshine, only the heads — I pour too many fusel oils on the brazier’s kindling.
                    Actually, this is the technology of cognac or whiskey.
                    I’ve been doing this for quite some time. Usually infused for about six months, but the effect is felt after a couple of months.
                    hi
        2. major147
          major147 9 July 2020 18: 17 New
          +3
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Humanitarian fat probably overwhelmed the whole of Russia. Lucky people.

          Speaking of Ukraine and fat.
          "An average Ukrainian eats about 15 kilograms of fat per year, while a resident of the EU about 45 kilograms. Such data from the Association of the Meat Industry on Thursday, July 2, announced on the air 1 + 1. Analysts also noted that in China they consume about 40 kilograms. fat per year. In Belarus - 38, and in Russia - 30 kilograms. Reducing the consumption of fat in Ukraine also led to a reduction in the industry. It is noted that now in Ukraine contain only about 5 million pigs, and five years ago this figure was close to 8 to millions. Experts say that according to the most optimistic forecasts, this trend will continue in the next 10 years. "
          Source: https://rusnext.ru/news/1593674551219321
          There is confusion in my opinion. This reduction in industry has led to a reduction in consumption.
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 9 July 2020 21: 29 New
            +2
            I don’t want to refute the TV, but ... I'm afraid the TV people are a little wrong ... You see, I have been to Europe and watched what they eat. The Germans still eat bacon ... Hungarians, too ... But to imagine a Pole chewing fresh bacon is difficult. They call it elephant and is sold exclusively for lining when frying. But the Poles eat barrel and it’s something like smoked brisket or bacon.
            I think it's just a mistake in determining what fat is!)))
            Well, it’s not realistic to imagine a Frenchman, a Portuguese or an Italian chewing white fresh!)))
            1. major147
              major147 10 July 2020 09: 59 New
              0
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              I'm afraid the television people are a little wrong ...

              "meat industry association data"
            2. your1970
              your1970 10 July 2020 09: 59 New
              +1
              Here, most likely they divided the total amount produced + imports per population.
              But sausage has the whole of Europe ...
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 9 July 2020 18: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: tihonmarine
      In Ukraine, if you want to enter the stall ... you need to observe three rules

      There’s nothing to add no
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 9 July 2020 15: 42 New
    +2
    By bah to bah. If they say something, it’s not something that many people really want, it means that they want to beg for something from us, nothing more.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 July 2020 16: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      that means they want to beg something from us, nothing more.

      Lyuley
      1. novel66
        novel66 9 July 2020 16: 46 New
        +2
        well, they won’t interrogate anything
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 July 2020 17: 08 New
          +2
          Still time
          Georgians begged
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 9 July 2020 19: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Still time
            Georgians begged

            Are you by any chance talking about this?
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 9 July 2020 19: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Are you by any chance talking about this?

              And about it


      2. rocket757
        rocket757 9 July 2020 16: 48 New
        +3
        Not all of them are obvious masahists, there are cadres and more cunning.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 9 July 2020 19: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Lyuley

        They love the mates.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 July 2020 19: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: tihonmarine
          They love the mates.

          Always ready to give them something unusual
  8. fn34440
    fn34440 9 July 2020 15: 47 New
    +3
    Gepa is not the most important person in Ukraine. Few people drew attention to his words.
    And then why trash insignificant verbal garbage.? And roll up an analytical empty-handed article.
    It would be better, to take, to our leadership, ACTUAL MEASURES to speed up the enforcement of Ukraine to end the occupation of Donbass., Because The Armed Forces of Ukraine is already arming the whole world, from the USA and Canada to Estonia and Turkey.
    And the axiom of "quantity turning into quality" has not been canceled.
    WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR. ??? After JULY 01, to hell with us, not a brother.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 July 2020 19: 40 New
      0
      Quote: fn34440
      .to. The Armed Forces of Ukraine is already arming the whole world, from the USA and Canada to Estonia and Turkey.

      They wrote that Guinea Papua would also send help - beads and ostrich feathers.
    2. your1970
      your1970 10 July 2020 10: 02 New
      0
      Quote: fn34440
      ACTUAL MEASURES to promptly force Ukraine to end the occupation of Donbass., Because The Armed Forces of Ukraine is already arming the whole world, from the USA and Canada to Estonia and Turkey.

      Do you propose to strike at nuclear weapons in Kiev and Lvov?
  9. Undecim
    Undecim 9 July 2020 15: 58 New
    +1
    [i] One of the most prominent Ukrainian politicians, the mayor of Kharkov, Gennady Kernes
    A valid joke.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 9 July 2020 16: 03 New
      +2
      Oh minus! Hepa, are you on the VO site?
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 9 July 2020 17: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: Undecim
        Oh minus! Hepa, are you on the VO site?

        This is from Dopa. smile
    2. Avior
      Avior 9 July 2020 16: 26 New
      +1
      Gepa is known for his humor department. smile
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 9 July 2020 15: 59 New
    +1
    One of the most prominent Ukrainian politicians, the mayor of Kharkov, Gennady Kernes
    ... And where is he, and most importantly, what is noticeable? Does the policy of Zelensky’s cabinet somehow influence? ... What is the article about? .. That nothing has changed in the minds of Ukrainian politicians? ... So it's not a secret ...
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 9 July 2020 16: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      ... And where is he, and most importantly, what is noticeable?

      Interesting question yes ... Moreover, in the same "recent interview", and this was an interview with Anatoly Sharia (video), Kernes said that in 2014 it was he, the mayor of Kharkov, who by his active actions contributed to the suppression of the "Russian Spring" in the city ...

      A politician is not a politician? Noticeable - not noticeable?

  11. K-50
    K-50 9 July 2020 16: 04 New
    +1
    Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who climbed into the chair of the Prime Minister of Ukraine on the Maidan wave, I remember, soberly evaluating his own strengths, he said that the peninsula would certainly return to the bosom of the Nenki, but certainly not during the lifetime of the current generation.

    For any one he won’t return, they didn’t stock up the second “Khrushchev”, or rather he shot himself not long ago or he was shot.
  12. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 July 2020 16: 04 New
    0
    Well, we already estimated these dopu and gepu back in '14, now they are uninteresting. They have very low social responsibility.
    1. major147
      major147 9 July 2020 18: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: Ros 56
      Well, these dopu and gepu

      There are enough jesters there without them. This one, for example!
      "Ukrainian journalist Dmitry Gordon called the" only option "to return the territories of the DPR and LPR to Ukraine.
      "If the COVID-19 pandemic provokes the economic collapse of Russia, Ukraine will be able to reintegrate Donetsk and Lugansk." According to him, only mass protests and demonstrations will be able to distract the Kremlin from the Ukrainian territories. This will give a chance for reunion, passes argumenti.ru. "
      That is, in his deep conviction, when the “COVID-19 pandemic will provoke the economic collapse of Russia,” then Ukraine will be on the economic rise !? It remains to wait for the "economic prosperity" of Ukraine! belay
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 10 July 2020 05: 42 New
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        Come on, Sergey, do not pay attention to the cries of this used rubber product No. 2?
        1. major147
          major147 10 July 2020 10: 05 New
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          Quote: Ros 56
          Come on, Sergey, do not pay attention to the cries of this used rubber product No. 2?

          Even Peter the Great ordered me to say "not in writing, so that the nonsense would be visible to everyone," so I look at one of them more dope. Can it be that the inhabitants do not see who rules them there. Or is it normal for them, for they themselves are the same?
  13. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 9 July 2020 16: 12 New
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    in a recent interview, he allowed himself a statement that is actually a recognition of the legality of the annexation of Crimea to Russia in 2014
    well, the truth is far from it
  14. iouris
    iouris 9 July 2020 16: 23 New
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    Rhetoric is the tenth thing. So far, nothing has changed there, but it's time.
  15. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 9 July 2020 16: 25 New
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    In order not to scribble such little articles, it is better to just live in Crimea for three days in each large town and village and ask Crimeans from 16 to 60 years. Ask for their opinion. And this will be the very truth. But appropriating their opinion to all Crimeans, speaking on their behalf is unfounded. Whom they hate, whom they love, they will understand without you. And judging by the fact that in the Crimea now - no one there hates anyone, and does not particularly love. Everyone lives calmly, busy with their own affairs and concerns. And they do not care either about the Ukrainian-Russian butting, or about a showdown about "whose Crimea".
    1. DeKo
      DeKo 9 July 2020 18: 46 New
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      You are not right. Brother's wife, Tatar. Her relatives live in Crimea. Simple people. By God. So, they all say that life was much worse under Ukraine. And there were more requisitions. And the truth was less. And the bureaucrat Ukrainians stung their own, Tatar officials stung
      1. TatarinSSSR
        TatarinSSSR 9 July 2020 19: 03 New
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        I don’t argue how many people have so many opinions. And since bureaucrats in Ukraine were stinging people, and now they are not allowed to do this, then now they are just unhappy. Someone is glad, someone is not. All can not be under one comb. That year I was in Evpatoria. Two weeks. And I heard a lot of local conversations. And satisfied and dissatisfied. But all this talk is sluggish. Everyone is more interested in the holiday season and future profits. All.
  16. Avior
    Avior 9 July 2020 16: 35 New
    +2
    Something two articles in a row of one plan.
    One Frenchwoman, who has long lived and worked in Donetsk, is the second about Gep, who is known in Ukraine a long time ago as a comedic character and who stands out for her atypical views.
    But what is common - the opinion of both of them is presented as a tendency.
    In reality, it is understandable that just as Gepa does not represent Ukrainian politics, so a Frenchwoman from Donetsk clearly does not represent French journalism.
    Why this is necessary is incomprehensible.
  17. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 9 July 2020 16: 38 New
    +1
    Ah ... for me, so Ukraine should honestly be divided into 3 parts - the "Westerners", "Kiev" and "Russian" - quietly and peacefully with love !!! drinks
    For even in the worst dream, while still serving in the army at the end of the 1980s, I did not see the “Westerners” as citizens of the USSR — I am silent about Ukraine laughing
    1. DeKo
      DeKo 9 July 2020 18: 41 New
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      You give Ukraine as part of the EU. Like areas of Poland and Hungary
  18. Fitter65
    Fitter65 9 July 2020 17: 58 New
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    One of the rather prominent Ukrainian politicians, the mayor of Kharkov, Gennady Kernes, in a recent interview, allowed himself a statement, which is actually a recognition of the legality of the annexation of Crimea to Russia in 2014. Not so long ago, such liberties for any public person in the "winter" were impossible without serious risk to a career, or even to life and health.
    I apologize for quoting the paragraph in full - G. Kernes showed by his own deeds that the Dutch rainbow is Malevich’s plain square. Yes, "rear-wheel drive" (I'm talking about Lada-if that) compared with it, generally without orientation ... laughing laughing laughing
  19. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 9 July 2020 18: 01 New
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    What they weave there does not matter. It is known who riches with a thought. So there’s no point in responding to all these “miscarriages”. And the fact that these gangster tricks continue to shoot in the Donbass is a problem that must be resolved sharply and unambiguously. Preferably with global cleanings.
  20. Gato
    Gato 9 July 2020 18: 12 New
    +3
    There are no politicians in Ukraine. There are puppets of oligars who have gone astray on the dough, small town figurines and bandering village fools.
  21. DeKo
    DeKo 9 July 2020 18: 40 New
    +1
    Poroshenko himself admitted that at the end of 2015 Crimea was going to lease the United States
    1. Captivity
      Captivity 10 July 2020 15: 14 New
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      Do not confuse propaganda with reality. This is just unrealistic.
      1. DeKo
        DeKo 10 July 2020 16: 23 New
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        And the fact that Ukrainians will burn people in Odessa, or kill children and the elderly? How is it then
        1. Captivity
          Captivity 10 July 2020 16: 26 New
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          I just said that renting a whole peninsula to the United States is simply unrealistic, physically. And this can only blurt out. If Poroshenko blurted out such a thing, then he is real.
          If you have a video of this conversation, please show.
          1. DeKo
            DeKo 10 July 2020 16: 27 New
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            2015 year. On the news drove. ICTV Channel
            1. Captivity
              Captivity 10 July 2020 16: 28 New
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              Maybe you misunderstood. But I do not believe
              1. DeKo
                DeKo 10 July 2020 23: 45 New
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                And about the fact that Gelety declared the use of nuclear weapons by Russia, in Ukraine, do not you believe? Believe me, it's purple. You, Ukrainians, it makes no sense to prove anything
                1. Captivity
                  Captivity 11 July 2020 15: 19 New
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                  And what does Geletey have to do with it? And why do you always change the subject and wag from the answer? Do you Jews think that if you add a couple of real facts and blame your opponent for being Ukrainian, then you will not be a liar? Not. You were caught lying, and instead of recovering, you blame your opponent.
                  Such a statement is simply not real. Firstly, Poroshenko was not the president then and he did not solve such issues. Such questions were decided by Yanukovych. So I doubt that they were going to lease Crimea. Secondly, how do you imagine renting out such an area in half of the Moscow region? This is not physically real.
                  What you lied to may be an accident. But the fact that you rest against your lies does not honor you.
                  1. DeKo
                    DeKo 11 July 2020 16: 26 New
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                    Jew is you. Or a Ukrainian. It is the same. Further: For any question: Google to help. Like you, you will never prove anything. There is a good expression about throwing beads in front of pigs. People like you still believe that in Volyn, disguised soldiers of the NKVD killed Polyakov, and Bandera saved them. Well, about Ukraine, your IP address shows that you are in Ukraine
                    1. Captivity
                      Captivity 11 July 2020 18: 30 New
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                      In fact, you can not poke. All the same, I did not pass my cows with you.
                      I was deep down hoping you were right. And you turned out to be an ordinary hollow bream. Although I assumed that you were lying. But I did not expect you to be so impudent. As they say: we’ll write it for ourselves. This is not worth talking to. Find a video, I will be very happy. And so, sorry. I don’t communicate with such
                      1. DeKo
                        DeKo 12 July 2020 06: 16 New
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                        The word you are written with a capital letter. This is the time. Well, two, the weakest?
  22. harpsichord
    harpsichord 9 July 2020 19: 38 New
    -1
    And where do the authors find information?
    "Crimea will return to Ukraine, and the Crimean Tatar flag will be hoisted over the peninsula, promised Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky. He made such a statement on the Day of the Crimean Tatar flag, which is celebrated in Ukraine on June 26. A day earlier, Kiev sent a note of protest to Moscow because of Victory Parades in Crimea. "
    https://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2020/06/26_a_13132849.shtml
  23. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 10 July 2020 00: 10 New
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    Quote: rocket757
    By bah to bah. If they say something, it’s not something that many people really want, it means that they want to beg for something from us, nothing more.

    I remembered ----- the pig promised to make such a good life in the country that the Crimeans will see envy and ask him back!
  24. madjik
    madjik 10 July 2020 05: 34 New
    0
    Ukrainians seem to be cunning, but Jews go through all this cunning!
  25. Li17
    Li17 10 July 2020 06: 24 New
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    my comrade-in-arms, a true Ukrainian and a fan of Poroshenko .... got on with me on this issue after all lamenting that we would all return ..., in the end, said that he understood that they (residents of the Crimea and Donetsk) were always Muscovites, but for good, we will return money to them for these territories, so be they for us .... And why are they the best in Krajina professionals in the field of intimate services?
    And where are our colleagues going, if instead of designating a simple word for a girl selling and serving ... I had to express myself in such a complicated way! Well, this is already a fall in the field of combat training!
    1. DeKo
      DeKo 13 July 2020 07: 39 New
      -1
      I went on the train Vienna-Berlin. Upon learning that I was a damned Muscovite, a naughty pan sat down on me. He wanted to talk. So, the whole point of talking with him came down to the fact that .... give us money and gas with oil for free, and leave Crimea and Novorossia to yourself
  26. Private-K
    Private-K 10 July 2020 07: 48 New
    0
    Has something really changed?

    Interested in learning what will happen to Ukraine and in general on the situation, I recommend listening to three performances by Andrei Shkolnikov.
    First.
    Second.
    Third.
  27. iouris
    iouris 14 July 2020 10: 14 New
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    This issue has been resolved. And what do Euro-Natsiks think - it does not matter. Their goal is the final destruction of the USSR.
  28. Promsol
    Promsol 15 July 2020 17: 13 New
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    as in the old joke: do it, goldfish, so that I know THAT BEFORE what the Ukrainian knows AFTER
  29. Andrey Vasilievich
    Andrey Vasilievich 16 July 2020 09: 38 New
    -1
    Quote: Hagalaz
    This is Kernes then Ukrainian belay ?

    No Kernes is not Ukrainian, but katsyap or maybe w_d, in your terminology.
  30. Andrey Vasilievich
    Andrey Vasilievich 16 July 2020 09: 49 New
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    Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Quote: Hagalaz
    Ukrainian

    Why do you call all Ukrainians hohhlamami? Among them are many normal people. You should not identify these concepts. Hochhol is a special state of the brain caused in that territory by some local infection.
    PS: everything, I understand, it's not you - these are website tools from people from Ukraine scratching one comb.

    Khakhol is a self-name of people in Ukraine, the ethnonym "Ukrainian" was artificially imposed in the 20th century, and people themselves calmly called themselves hahly and there is no offensive meaning in this word. When I was little, I asked my grandmother (born 1918): - Are we Ukrainians? She replied: - We hahly.
    So your tales of a “special mindset or brain condition” is your personal nonsense, your sore imagination.
    Just those who shout "about the great Ukrainian nation, mov, faith" have a "special mindset." Ideas about banning the Russian language, about filtration camps for all non-Ukrainian speakers come into their heads. I look at your comment and try to find the differences between your statements and theirs. Fascism stinks a mile away.