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TOS-2 "Tosochka": from tests to series

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On June 24, the first samples of the newest TOSochka-2 Tosochka heavy flamethrower system passed along Red Square as part of a ceremonial column of military equipment. The development of this project was completed recently, but experimental equipment has already been built and is being tested. Also, some details of current plans and the expected future of the new model become known.


In the wake of the parade


Four promising vehicles with launchers of a new type took part in the Moscow parade. This technique was created by several enterprises, and shortly after the parade, they published relevant press releases.

So, the developer of TOS-2, JSC NPO Splav, once again in his message revealed the main design features of this combat vehicle and advantages over other flamethrower systems.

Similar information on the trail of the parade was published by PJSC Motovilikhinsky Plants, which completed the construction of the equipment shown. At the same time, they told not only about the technical features of “Tosochki”, but also about the progress of work. It is reported that new products are now undergoing combined arms tests. No further details were provided.

In early July, the Rostec state corporation, which includes all the TOS-2 project participants, held a meeting in Perm on the prospects of ammunition and new weapons systems. During this event, the leadership of the NGO “Splav” again raised the topic “Socks”. It is alleged that tests of experimental equipment are currently being completed. Developers expect orders from both the Russian army and foreign countries.

On July 7, Rossiyskaya Gazeta clarified this information. It is about completing preliminary tests. According to their results, the project will be assigned the letter "O", which allows them to enter state tests. These events will last until next year. And only then will the issue of adopting TOS-2 into service with the launch of the series be resolved.

Production cooperation


Recent posts on the topic of TOS-2 regularly mention the modernization of production facilities and other activities, as a result of which the industry will be able to produce new equipment. The further fate of “Tosochki” directly depends on the success of a number of enterprises responsible for both the manufacture of individual units and the final assembly.

Self-propelled flamethrower installation is being built on a wheeled chassis "Ural-63706" or "Tornado-U". This is a three-axle four-wheel drive vehicle with an armored cab, capable of carrying various target equipment. The total weight of the Tornado-U is 30 tons, of which 16 tons fall on the payload. The car shows high driving characteristics both on the highway and on rough terrain.


Over the past few years, the Ural-63706 has been repeatedly shown at various military-technical exhibitions; in parallel, tests continued and a series was being established. In October last year, the Ural automobile plant announced the start of deliveries of serial Tornado-U to the armed forces.

Thus, “Tosochka” received a modern platform, tested and completed, as well as being in production. It can be assumed that the new project of the flamethrower system in the future will not have problems along the chassis line.

The artillery unit for TOS-2 is produced by the Motovilikhinsky factories. There they completed the final assembly of equipment for testing and for the parade. In the future, the company will start mass production. Recent meetings have focused on modernizing production facilities and optimizing control loops.

It is expected that all these measures will simplify the interaction between enterprises in the region, as well as create new production links and additional jobs. As a result, production of modern military equipment will be ensured, moreover, not only Tosochki, but also the economic situation in the Perm Region will improve.

Upgrading production and changing control loops will take some time. However, the TOS-2 project is not yet ready for mass production, and its completion will take some time. It is likely that both of these processes will be completed in a short time. Accordingly, Tosochka will be ready for production at the same time that the plants are ready for it.

Mastering new


The main features of TOS-2 "Tosochka" are already well known and show that this project is significantly different from previous developments of its own or related classes. A number of already tested and proven solutions are used, but at the same time new components are introduced that have the most serious impact on the result. Thus, the development of the production of new equipment will not be overly complicated, but one cannot also expect excessive simplicity.

The TOS-2 project provides for equipping the basic chassis with a launcher and other units for various purposes. The use of a wheeled platform has given significant advantages over previous flamethrower systems. Such a combat vehicle is characterized by improved mobility and easier to operate.


The launcher with 18 guides provides the use of rockets for TOS-1 (A). It was also reported on the development of new ammunition with enhanced characteristics. TOS-2 is equipped with a modern automated fire control system. In preparation for the shooting, "Tosochka" does not need the help of a transport-loading machine. Ammunition is reloaded from vehicles using its own crane.

Developer organizations mention that TOS-2 gets some means of reducing visibility. A complex of optoelectronic suppression is also used to increase survivability. Thus, not having a tank reservation, like its predecessors, "Tosochka" can protect itself from attack.

It is assumed that in the troops the new TOS-2 will become easier to operate and more mobile addition to the existing TOS-1 and TOS-1A. Depending on the specific situation and the conditions that have arisen, it will be possible to apply one or another technique that is most convenient at the moment - and have a close destructive effect on the enemy.

In the early stages


The TOS-2 project is based on both proven and completely new ideas. Their correct combination allows you to get a promising model of a combat vehicle with significant advantages over existing ones. Moreover, such samples already exist in the metal. However, so far it is only about testing.

In the near future, “Socks” will go through a full cycle of testing and refinement. In parallel, the enterprises participating in the project will prepare their production facilities for the future series. The adoption of TOS-2 into service is still a matter of the future, but all current work brings this moment closer. So far, the situation around the project and organizational issues looks good and gives cause for optimism. The army will not be left without new equipment - it will receive it in a reasonable amount of time.
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  1. Mooh
    Mooh 9 July 2020 04: 28 New
    +3
    Katyusha of the XNUMXst century turned out. Generational continuity in action.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 9 July 2020 07: 27 New
      +2
      Interestingly, how many military Katyushas are capable of replacing one Tosochka in efficiency?
      1. arkadiyssk
        arkadiyssk 9 July 2020 09: 20 New
        -10
        Not a single one. Grad (Katyusha) has a typical operating range of 20-30 km. Tosa (Socks) because These are mortar systems. The maximum firing range is 5-6 km. In general, a machine that is difficult to understand, a very narrow niche - why have it in the troops? For point targets such as blocks - easier to work with conventional mortars. As a threat - we will drive to the village with terrorists and burn everyone along with the locals with their wives and children? Very humane. Yes, even if there is such a goal - this can be done by aviation.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 9 July 2020 09: 40 New
          +1
          I meant Katyusha during WWII.
        2. Romka47
          Romka47 9 July 2020 11: 52 New
          +3
          I personally know people who have survived the hail attacks, but from TOS there is no (well, again, thank God our enemies do not have them). As far as I understand the point is that from the "classic" MLRS a la grad, you can dig into the ground, or hide in a cave, and this shaitan will get from any gap

          As a threat - we will drive to the village with terrorists and burn everyone along with the locals with their wives and children? And in your opinion, “hail” is a point weapon that in the same village will only kill terrorists, but will not hook women and children?
        3. venik
          venik 9 July 2020 12: 38 New
          +8
          Quote: arkadiyssk
          why have it in the troops?

          ========
          For this - you need to be able to think!
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          Quote: arkadiyssk
          For point targets such as blocks - easier to work with conventional mortars.

          ========
          And HOW MUCH time is needed to crush (mortar battery / company) well fortified company strong point with an area of, for example, 200 x 200 m? 10 minutes? 20 minutes? Half an hour? More? So during this time you can get the otvetka too!
          And TOS-2 does it all in 8-15 seconds! And “with a guarantee” (that NO ONE will stick out anymore and WILL NOT shoot! Simply - there WILL BE SOME.
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          Quote: arkadiyssk
          Yes, even if there is such a goal - this can be done by aviation.

          ========
          And WHEN will she arrive? After half an hour? In an hour? And if - "weather - non-flying" (fog in the mountains for example)?
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 9 July 2020 15: 06 New
            +8
            Quote: venik
            For this - you need to be able to think!

            In fact, the question is correct.
            The original TOC was essentially a jet flamethrower tank, the successor of the TO-55, operating at the forefront and therefore having armor protection. She had no competitors in this niche.

            With an increase in the flight range of the TOC ammunition, the system moves away from the leading edge and more and more moves away from the assault flamethrower towards the conventional MLRS. And the question arises: why for new missiles specialized PU? Isn’t it better to introduce these ammunition into the serial warhead rocket launchers, and not to spread the rocket artillery between the artillery itself and the RBMF troops?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 9 July 2020 15: 50 New
              +4
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Isn’t it better to introduce these ammunition into the serial production rocket launchers

              Not better.
              MLRS-not barrel systems, quickly change the types of ammunition does not work. Yes, and the stewards have problems with this.

              Quote: Alexey RA
              With an increase in the flight range of the TOC ammunition, the system moves away from the leading edge and more and more moves away from the assault flamethrower towards the conventional MLRS.

              But this is the wrong development of events. Duplication of functions. For TOS do what they can not do MLRS-shoot close.
              1. Alien ...
                Alien ... 10 July 2020 01: 23 New
                +1
                And why come close to the enemy / enemy? That they definitely banged you?
                For a quick change of b / p, universal PUs have long been invented in the world, into which the necessary cartridge with the necessary shells is stupidly inserted. In the fleet, our log breakers to this quietly, but almost came.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 10 July 2020 11: 14 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alien ...
                  And why come close to the enemy / enemy?

                  To hit targets as deep as possible.

                  Quote: Alien ...
                  For a quick change of b / p, universal PUs have long been invented in the world, into which the necessary cartridge with the necessary shells is stupidly inserted.

                  And even for this you need stupid time. In order to remove one cartridge from the PU and install another. Not only to carry such a cartridge, you need a stupid truck.
                  Here you have stupidly 6 launchers. One battery
                  They are stupidly 3 volleys of normal high-explosive fragmentation RS. Plus stupidly 1 volley of short-range thermobaric. Plus stupidly 1 volley of cassette with KOBE. Plus stupidly 1 volley for remote mining.
                  Universal? Universally.
                  And here is EdD such a battery ... only PUs and ammunition trucks - 36 cars.
                  A division of 108 vehicles, about 5-6 km convoy .... quietly ....

                  For reference: no one has yet learned how to teleport munitions to launchers. Even aspirated, Americans. With the "universal" long-conceived and of little use PU
                  1. Alien ...
                    Alien ... 10 July 2020 11: 53 New
                    0
                    "To hit targets as deep as possible."

                    For this, they make a large range. You’ll still pull it to the front edge ...

                    "And even this takes a dumb time. In order to remove one cartridge from the PU and install another. Moreover, to carry such a cartridge, you need a stupid truck."

                    But for individual shells all this is not necessary? Do they go themselves charge? Have you served in the army, friend? Did anything charge full b / c manually?

                    "And here is EdD such a battery ... only PUs and ammunition trucks - 36 cars.
                    A division of 108 vehicles, about 5-6 km column .... "


                    Yes, friend, this is the modern army. For reference: Are you looking at the Victory Parades? So: the total number of equipment involved there lessthan in a regular SME (motorized rifle regiment). In pieces, of course. And this is just the beginning ...
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 10 July 2020 13: 02 New
                      0
                      Quote: Alien ...
                      For this, they make a large range. You’ll still pull it to the front edge ...

                      Exactly. Long range and as close to the enemy as possible. This ensures defeat to a greater depth.
                      Elementary geometry, what could be incomprehensible here?

                      Quote: Alien ...
                      But for individual shells all this is not necessary?

                      Of course you need. Actually, I wrote about this above. The barrel artillery also has these problems, they are simply less pronounced.
                      For example, a 152 mm howitzer battery. 6 guns 60 shells each. Not enough, but bearable, several fire tasks ...
                      But we want universalism ... 10 ARS, 10 smoke, 10 cassette, five controlled, five lighting .... Suddenly it will be needed.
                      And there are a dozen HE shells per gun ... One fire task of the level of "scare"
                      "This is the modern army" (c)

                      Quote: Alien ...
                      Have you served in the army, friend? Did anything charge full b / c manually?

                      Incredibly strange question ....
                      Is it like trying to stuff 80 shots into one gun? I'm afraid more than one is not included laughing
                      The concept of "ammunition" thing is much more complicated than you think laughing laughing laughing


                      Quote: Alien ...
                      Yes, friend, this is the modern army.

                      No, this is not a "modern army".
                      For reference, the brigade, as far as I remember, drags with it at different levels 2.5 BC for the MLRS. That is 2.5 volleys. And that’s it. And no open spaces for imagination.
                      1. Alien ...
                        Alien ... 10 July 2020 13: 57 New
                        -2
                        That is, did not serve ...
                        So: long range is as far as possible from the enemy. Damn, elementary things.
                        By the way, why did you decide that for each salvo there is a separate cartridge? Goes to himself immediately the desired number, the rest in bulk.
                        Here's a task with an asterisk: the Smerch-U battery stands in your position. Equipped with, say, RP (high-explosive fragmentation). And I have the same next. On universal cassettes only. And here is an introduction to us: blah blah-adversary, blah blah blah coordinates, blah blah urgently, blah blah homing cumulative (or whatever they are called correctly). I will quickly change the tapes. But what will you do?
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 10 July 2020 16: 28 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alien ...
                        That is, did not serve ...

                        Well, of course... laughing That is why in the course, what is "BC"

                        Quote: Alien ...
                        By the way, why did you decide that for each salvo there is a separate cartridge?

                        laughing laughing laughing
                        Because I know the materiel.
                        By the way, the cassettes are different. laughing laughing laughing

                        Quote: Alien ...
                        Goes to himself immediately the desired number, the rest in bulk.

                        In standard capping. Occupying even more space.

                        Quote: Alien ...
                        Here's a task with an asterisk: the Smerch-U battery stands in your position.

                        And my knowledge of the materiel allows me to know for sure that a system called "Tornado-U" does not exist.

                        Quote: Alien ...
                        I will quickly change the tapes.

                        "Fast" is how much?
                        Okay, suppose it's about Hurricane 1M
                        A team arrives at firing shells with SPBE.
                        Point one, send TZMki 9T249 to the launchers. Three minutes, no less.
                        Point two, put the TZM in the position for loading - 3 minutes.
                        Point three, remove standing on the starting TPK. I don’t know where ... probably on the ground. Three more minutes.
                        The fourth item to install the necessary TPK - 6 minutes
                        Point five, lift the removed TPK to the transport and loading machine for three minutes
                        Point six, the TK itself should be transferred to the camp 2.5 minutes
                        Point seven to drive off to a safe distance one and a half to three minutes.

                        Total "fast change tapes" is more than 20 minutes.

                        Quote: Alien ...
                        But what will you do?

                        I will work out HE shells. And it will be more efficient.
                      3. Alien ...
                        Alien ... 10 July 2020 18: 44 New
                        -1
                        For example, and for clarity, I stupidly took the caliber under TOC.
                        That is, after a maximum of 20 minutes, I will be ready for battle. And that is not a fact, for it can be replaced entirely. I do not know how Amers and others like it. And you will be engaged in garbage. Type of debate about what is more effective ... That's what I mean ... Well, or rocket out rockets with a banner. wassat
                        ... What is BC, many who did not serve know. Only here how to apply it, without ditching the darkness of their l / s, they do not know ...

                        Once again: not needed for each volley separate cassette. I hope you understand that it is reusable? The shot is removed and recharged with shells, which is corked. And in its place is already full. I’m not an artilleryman, but they say in nete that the reload time of the Hurricane is 15 minutes. What is it with you just with the replacement of cassettes?

                        In general, there is nothing to argue about, for in Tornado-S they have already come to this. I know?
                        ... PS: what did I write there? Tornado-U? Gee ... It happens. I thought of one, wrote the third.

                        Summary: TOS-2 is another garbage from the factory, which has nothing to do ... The only plus is to sell to the Arabs. They love the wheelbase.
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 10 July 2020 19: 06 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alien ...
                        For example, and for clarity, I stupidly took the caliber under TOC.
                        That is, after a maximum of 20 minutes, I will be ready for battle.

                        Right And I immediately.

                        Quote: Alien ...
                        And that is not a fact, for it can be replaced entirely.

                        This is the "whole"

                        Quote: Alien ...
                        What is BC, many have not served.

                        They don’t know. Not only that, the majority of “servants” do not know either.

                        Quote: Alien ...
                        Once again: no separate cassette is needed for each salvo. I hope you understand that it is reusable? The shot is removed and recharged with shells, which is corked.

                        Of course reusable. And most of the "cassettes" that are actually called "TPKs" are actually charged in factories. laughing


                        Quote: Alien ...
                        I’m not an artilleryman, but they say in nete that the reload time of the Hurricane is 15 minutes.

                        Exactly. With the help of TZM.
                        And the installation time on two shopping malls on "Hurricane-1M" is 6 minutes.

                        Quote: Alien ...
                        In general, there is nothing to argue about, for in Tornado-S they have already come to this.

                        No 8)))))))
                        Tornado-S is charged one rocket at a time.

                        Quote: Alien ...
                        Summary: TOS-2 is another garbage from the factory, which has nothing to do ...

                        laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
                        For reference: "Hurricane-1M" cannot shoot closer than 8 km. And TOS-2 can.

                        That is, "Hurricane" works on targets in the depths of the battle formation of the enemy. Up to 120 km.
                        And TOS-2 for targets directly on the line of contact. First of all, on platoon strongholds
                      5. AK1972
                        AK1972 11 July 2020 06: 33 New
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        Of course reusable. And most of the "cassettes" that are actually called "TPK" actually charge at the factories.

                        You are mistaken, TPK on these machines are disposable and are stored equipped in RAV warehouses, believe me, I know what I'm saying. Your recharge time calculations are also not entirely correct. The combat vehicle moves forward to the already equipped position; install the jacks - 2 minutes maximum. Further volley and retreat. Reloading on a position is suicide, therefore it is carried out at a safe distance, in the rear.
                      6. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 11 July 2020 09: 25 New
                        0
                        Quote: AK1972
                        You are mistaken, TPK on these machines are disposable and are stored equipped in RAV warehouses, believe me, I know what I'm saying.

                        They and reusable can be stored in RAV warehouses. And to equip at enterprises above written in black and white.
                        As an example, the Israeli multi-caliber MLRS for Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan. All calibers, except 122, are equipped at the enterprise, TPKs are reusable, TPKs for 122 mm RS can be equipped in the field, immediately after use.

                        Quote: AK1972
                        Your recharge time calculations are also not entirely correct. The combat vehicle moves forward to the already equipped position; install the jacks - 2 minutes maximum. Further volley and retreat.

                        And here you read inattentively. According to the conditions of the task, a change of ammunition occurs. From installed TPKs with RP warheads on a PC with a cluster warhead.

                        Quote: AK1972
                        Position reload - suicide

                        ?
                        laughing
                        If from this position not a single volley has been fired, no more suicidal than from any other place.
                        In this case, the PU remains attached and oriented.
                        And if you shoot and charge in another place, the time will leave even more.


                        Quote: AK1972
                        The combat vehicle moves forward to the already equipped position; install the jacks - 2 minutes maximum.

                        Without normal orientation, this is shooting "the other way." And normal orientation is a gyrocompass. For the operation of which even the engine will have to be shut off.
                      7. AK1972
                        AK1972 11 July 2020 09: 58 New
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        They and reusable can be stored in RAV warehouses. And to equip at enterprises above written in black and white.

                        I had in mind the specific TOS-1A machine, as well as the ISDM project of the Agriculture project. TPK disposable on them. I know this, because an experimental batch of TPK frames was manufactured and delivered to the customer at our enterprise and under my direct supervision.
                      8. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 11 July 2020 15: 11 New
                        0
                        Quote: AK1972
                        I had in mind the specific TOS-1A machine, as well as the ISDM project of the Agriculture project. TPK disposable on them.

                        Hard to believe ...
                        Throwing it out after one start is simply stupid. For example, they write that Americans equip their own up to three times

                        Maybe you just misunderstood? TPK, which after application is taken to the factory for reloading is not "disposable", it is disposable when it is thrown after use.
                2. Alien ...
                  Alien ... 11 July 2020 10: 28 New
                  -1
                  Again 25 ... Why closer ??? Closer to your life, seconds will be measured.
                  Once again: modern warfare - shooting from the safest distance. Do you need to destroy the platoon / company OP? No problem, the data is on the CP. And cover. whatever you want from the depths. This weapon is for this purpose created.
                  By Tornado-S. Infu took from here http://xexe.club/215671-tornado-s-novye-dalnoboynye-rakety-rossiyskoy-armii.html, because he himself did not come across them, es-but.
                3. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 11 July 2020 15: 19 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alien ...
                  Again 25 ... Why closer ???

                  Firstly, in order to be able to shoot.
                  Secondly, for the sake of accuracy. The closer, the less dispersion



                  Quote: Alien ...
                  Closer to your life, seconds will be measured.

                  laughing laughing laughing
                  And closer and further ...
                  The enemy also knows how to shoot far. Often, very far.
                  Therefore, an increase in the range to it has not been used for a very long time as a protective measure.
  • venik
    venik 9 July 2020 16: 13 New
    +5
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Isn’t it better to introduce these ammunition into the serial warhead rocket launchers, and not to spread the rocket artillery between the artillery itself and the RBMF troops?

    =======
    Do you think there are none ??? Both the “Tornado” and the “Hurricane” have developed and have long been in service with thermobaric shells (9M55S and 9M51, respectively).
    Here the “trick” is in the arc: with the same caliber (220 mm) as the “Uragaea” - the “Pinocchio” and “Solntsepek” (MO.1.01.04 and MO.1.01.04M) shells are much lighter and shorter ( due to the smaller dimensions and mass of the engine), which allows you to use them with a lighter chassis ("Tosochka") or increase your ammunition load ("Pinocchio" and "Solntsepek");
    The second - a small firing range - allows you to aim faster and more accurately (shooting - essentially not needed!) And greatly reduces the launch time - no more than 15-20 s. from the moment of the first shot to the full consumption of ammunition). After that, MLRS quickly removed from position and leaves!
    Moreover, during this time (given the high accuracy - the range is small!), The system can completely burn out the company strong point (200 x 200 m)! The main thing is for this need not battery or division - enough "with the head" - one single PU. Because such systems (unlike conventional MLRS) are very many and do not build!
  • toha124
    toha124 10 July 2020 13: 02 New
    0
    And at the right moment, the "gods of war" will say that they have no other fire missions and the necessary missiles
  • Couchexpert
    Couchexpert 10 July 2020 15: 22 New
    +1
    I agree in the sense that, increasing the range for shells, power will inevitably decrease (while maintaining the overall dimensions, larger internal volumes go to fuel), alas, miracles do not happen.

    But the presence of a protected platform from MBT allowed us to approach the enemy close enough to have enough range / accuracy, without fear of getting an “answer”. Now the platform has become defenseless against the word “completely”, and the range is something far from artillery (and, moreover, a bulk of other reactive and barreled artillery).

    And here on my sofa IMHO the platform does not need to be lightened, but on the contrary, to increase its capabilities in terms of protection against promising anti-tank equipment (they are also constantly being improved). Ideally, it is necessary, as for MBT, to achieve a low probability of destruction from ATGM (whether by armor, interference, KAZ, due to range or something else), even due to a slight decrease in performance characteristics (for example, ammunition). Otherwise, the tactics of application will be a big question.
  • Private-K
    Private-K 9 July 2020 12: 57 New
    +2
    The BM-13 ("Katyusha") was just a brutal spread in both range and sideways.
    Warhead power is not comparable.
    An absolute advantage in control and guidance accuracy including the use of weather data, the quality of production of ammunition (without lap-like play in the specifications) ...
    Security of combat vehicles ...
    Well, probably, a battery of 4-6 TOS-2 will be equal to the BM-13 brigade of 6-7 divisions of 70-80 vehicles.
  • Bar1
    Bar1 9 July 2020 09: 24 New
    -10
    A toschka is a heavy flamethrower little system. Here you would find this noun and put him on the head.
    1. Private-K
      Private-K 9 July 2020 12: 57 New
      +4
      What to call? Pinocchio-san? wassat
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 9 July 2020 15: 03 New
        -7
        Quote: Private-K
        What to call? Pinocchio-san? wassat

        hell - fuck you a thousand ...

        in general, the Russian is rich and making a serious product a kindergarten name is a demonstration of sheer stupidity and lack of culture.
    2. AK1972
      AK1972 9 July 2020 14: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: Bar1
      A toschka is a heavy flamethrower little system. Here you would find this noun and put him on the head.

      Timur, I propose to approve the name of the complex "Great Tartaria". You will not mind?
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 9 July 2020 15: 07 New
        -5
        Quote: AK1972
        Quote: Bar1
        A toschka is a heavy flamethrower little system. Here you would find this noun and put him on the head.

        Timur, I propose to approve the name of the complex "Great Tartaria". You will not mind?

        then Tartarara.
        1. AK1972
          AK1972 9 July 2020 16: 43 New
          +1
          Ha ha ha Credit, accepted!
  • svp67
    svp67 9 July 2020 05: 19 New
    +4
    "Tornado-U", an excellent base chassis, for many artillery and rocket systems. It would be worth to use it more widely
    1. Lebed
      Lebed 9 July 2020 06: 26 New
      13
      Quote: svp67
      It would be worth to use it more widely

      By the way, there is a noticeable tendency towards the increasing use of armored cabs. And here is still
      a complex of optoelectronic suppression is used to increase survivability

      Apparently, protection from the actions of the DRG and snipers
      1. svp67
        svp67 9 July 2020 06: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: Lebed
        By the way, there is a noticeable tendency towards the increasing use of armored cabs. And here is still

        Front End Machines. Quite normal
        Quote: Lebed
        Apparently, protection from the actions of the DRG and snipers

        And also from various guided land mines ...
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 July 2020 11: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      "Tornado-U", an excellent base chassis, for many artillery and rocket systems. It would be worth to use it more widely

      I support with all paws. Grad and his counterparts are asking for this chassis from Mias!
      1. svp67
        svp67 9 July 2020 12: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Grad and his counterparts are asking for this chassis from Mias!

        As well as guns and howitzers
      2. Private-K
        Private-K 9 July 2020 13: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Grad and his counterparts are asking for this chassis from Mias!

        It makes no sense.
        Tornado-U is Mrap class.
        MRAP-class is not needed for long-range MLRS and SG. But booking cabs and something else - yes, it’s necessary, and this is not in dispute.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 9 July 2020 16: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: Private-K
          It makes no sense.

          Rather "redundant"
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    4. venik
      venik 9 July 2020 13: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      "Tornado-U", an excellent base chassis, for many artillery and rocket systems. It would be worth to use it more widely

      =========
      And what? Really do not ?:
      BA "Typhoon-U"


      SAU "Phlox"


      Armored truck "Ural-53099"


      Ural-432009 ("Ural-VV") - a protected vehicle, for law enforcement agencies


      Motovoz-M


      Formally, not all of these chassis belong to the Tornado-U, but de facto: the differences are insignificant
    5. Grits
      Grits 9 July 2020 14: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      "Tornado-U", an excellent base chassis, for many artillery and rocket systems. It would be worth to use it more widely

      Things are good. That's just that too much we have divorced all sorts of "Typhoons" and "Tornad" under different letters, numbers. You can get confused. Is it really impossible to come up with something different from the already named systems?
      1. svp67
        svp67 9 July 2020 14: 21 New
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        Quote: Gritsa
        . That's just that too much we have divorced all sorts of "Typhoons" and "Tornad" under different letters, numbers.

        These are the “codes” of the ROC, as a result of which the cars of the Kama and Maass automobile plants were presented for comparative tests, according to the results, both found a place in the power structures, and so we got Typhoon-K (amaz) and Typhoon-U (ral ) ", and with the" Tornadoes "
  • Free wind
    Free wind 9 July 2020 06: 56 New
    +7
    Soldiers have been drivers since 80, from Afghanistan they asked to reserve cabs, after 40 years they realized.
    1. vargo
      vargo 9 July 2020 11: 26 New
      -1
      Somehow, some leaders minus 10-20 years were thrown out of the country by their perestroika. Could this armor and not wait at all, the benefit taxied as could
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 9 July 2020 08: 05 New
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    According to the new system, even the most general characteristics would be added ... the question is not idle ... but has the range been increased compared to the previous system?
    1. AK1972
      AK1972 9 July 2020 10: 02 New
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      As far as I know, the range has increased since shells of a new generation, and most importantly increased mobility, significantly reduced time to leave the position.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 9 July 2020 10: 57 New
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        Quote: AK1972
        As far as I know, the range has increased since new generation shells

        And about this ... "the grandmother said in two ..."! Yes, there was a conversation that they are trying to increase the range to 10 km ... but so far, there is no serious information that this happened! It is possible that the "new shells" are the promised "Eres" with remotely programmable fuses ...
    2. Private-K
      Private-K 9 July 2020 13: 11 New
      +4
      The range for such a system, with such a purpose, is not critical. In any case, if the increase in range will come at the expense of the deterioration of other characteristics, then it is not necessary.
      The purpose of TOC: stealthily and quickly advance to a pre-selected position; conditionally instantly (due to advanced surveying and navigation) to attach (or it will even be done in advance by a surveyor); hydroelectric drives set PU at pre-calculated angles; fast high-precision salvo with very high-power ammunition; quick departure from the firing position.
      In a way, CBT is assault MLRS.
      1. Saxahorse
        Saxahorse 9 July 2020 21: 39 New
        +2
        Quote: Private-K
        CBT is an assault MLRS.

        On a triaxial chassis from a heavy truck? And with the limited range of these missiles? The enemy will have to be asked to settle closer to the highway.

        It looks like some kind of niche solution. Well, maybe it will come down to support the Russian Guard in counter-terrorism operations. And as a full-fledged army machine is unlikely.
        1. Private-K
          Private-K 9 July 2020 23: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: Saxahorse
          On a triaxial chassis from a heavy truck?

          This is not just a truck. This is a special all-terrain chassis.
          Quote: Saxahorse
          And with the limited range of these missiles?

          It is the small range of Nurses that points to this. The main thing for an assault machine of fire suppression and destruction is not the range, but the ammunition power in combination with high accuracy.
          Quote: Saxahorse
          The enemy will have to be asked to settle closer to the highway.

          Very often pr-k does just that. Such a pr-to. Such are the goals of the avenue - they are precisely where they are located. And for places where there are no roads, there are other military means.
          Quote: Saxahorse
          It looks like some kind of niche solution.

          Of course, this is a niche weapon. And like any other niche weapon, it is much more effective in its niche than any other, as it were, "universal".
          Quote: Saxahorse
          Well, maybe it will come down to support the Russian Guard in counter-terrorism operations. And as a full-fledged army machine is unlikely.

          In this case, the “counterterrorism” looks like a complement. For it is precisely with the "terrorist" units that will have to be fought in the near foreseeable future. Samples of such detachments you can observe in Syria, Libya, etc. beautiful southern countries.
          However, it seems to me at least strange that some people may consider the artillery system capable of ensuring the complete destruction of everything in the "counter-terrorism" area. I recommend that you carefully watch the videos available on the Internet on the application of NURS TOS - the battery of such systems takes out in one gulp the Rotary Support Point with everything located there.
          1. Saxahorse
            Saxahorse 10 July 2020 21: 50 New
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            Quote: Private-K
            This is not just a truck. This is a special all-terrain chassis.

            You say some kind of cliches .. Just look at this elongated miracle, it’s immediately clear that this is a very heavily weighted Urals, in addition to worsened geometric cross-country ability. "a special cross-country chassis" is, for example, the DT-30, the chassis for the Arctic version of TOR-a "Tor-M2DT", this miracle will really go everywhere, but where it will float deeply and easily .. The Urals for Tosochka are Mrap, with concrete on this is better not to move out.

            Quote: Private-K
            TOC - the battery of such systems in one gully carries out the Company Support Point with everything located there.

            Let me remind you once again that we still need to get to the ROP somehow .. With Pinocchio or Solntsepek everything is clear, they go along with the tanks. But here's how to drag this same Sock in all sorts of uh ... holes .. The question is mysterious.

            Therefore, I repeat, if this is a niche for explosives, then it can be considered a normal proposal. But for the army this is definitely not good.
    3. psiho117
      psiho117 11 July 2020 21: 42 New
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      Quote: silberwolf88
      and increased range compared to the previous system?

      No, the missiles are old (from Sunshine) and very old (from Pinocchio).
      The conversation about a new long-range missile has been going on for a long time, but so far there is no rocket, no understanding - is it needed at all.
  • AK1972
    AK1972 9 July 2020 09: 57 New
    +7
    "Tosochka" is the brainchild of not only Motovilikha and ALLOY, it is a product of cooperation of many enterprises - co-executors. In particular, manipulators for TZM are designed and manufactured at our factory. This work was very difficult, but interesting and creative, and the designers and technologists had to suffer, and of course the production. But now the design and technology are proven. Ready for mass production.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 9 July 2020 12: 12 New
    +5
    The main thing is that this complex is much cheaper and more portable than on the basis of a tank chassis and is easier to maintain.
    1. AK1972
      AK1972 9 July 2020 13: 47 New
      +2
      This is one of the rare cases when I agree with you. Plus
    2. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav 9 July 2020 20: 00 New
      0
      I agree against the Barmalei, but not on a Western European TVD against Poland, which is not badly stuffed with tanks and other armored vehicles and the same ptursi and other buns, here protection means very much very rarely fire at maximum speed, there is a great spread
    3. toha124
      toha124 10 July 2020 13: 05 New
      0
      So this base is also cheaper. Perhaps they decided to focus on the number of new cars.
  • Private-K
    Private-K 9 July 2020 13: 02 New
    +6
    TOS-2 is a very useful and necessary device. Especially for mobile forces capable of quick transfer, long march.
    A fire platoon of 2-3 of these machines will provide high-precision heavy destruction of railway w / c in a couple of minutes in a space of several tens of hectares regardless of the landscape (mountains, city, village, steppe).
    1. Private-K
      Private-K 9 July 2020 13: 19 New
      +3
      Wow! Someone has already messed up! See igilovets islamist excited and sets bricks in advance.
      Yeah. Pralna. She will burn you tongue in Turkestan, Syria, further everywhere.
    2. AK1972
      AK1972 9 July 2020 15: 05 New
      -1
      Quote: Private-K
      A fire platoon of 2-3 of these machines will provide high-precision heavy destruction of railways, for a couple of minutes in a space of several tens of hectares, regardless of the landscape (mountains, city, village, steppe).

      It remains to add that the system is particularly effective against railways located in shelters (crevices, dugouts, bunkers, etc.), because the mixture burns oxygen in limited volumes and, as a result, sharply reduces the pressure in this volume. In contrast to the igilovites plus.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 9 July 2020 15: 56 New
        +4
        Quote: AK1972
        because the mixture burns out oxygen in limited quantities

        No.
        The thermobaric mechanism of application is somewhat different. In fact, it is a high-explosive charge with a higher temperature of the shock front and with conservation of its energy longer.
      2. Private-K
        Private-K 9 July 2020 23: 21 New
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        Particularly effective destruction and suppression of railway systems right now is of particular importance. And it is just important to destroy / suppress the enemy railway: as quickly as possible; using the smallest quantity (and weight) of ammunition (important in the face of logistics difficulties); in the folds of the terrain, buildings, shelters, in rocky crevices, etc., places from where the railway is difficult to “smoke”, debt, boring, expensive.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 9 July 2020 17: 14 New
    +3
    The range of 5-6 km for a car based on the Urals is clearly insufficient. If in Syria it rolls, then for a war with a modern army it will be very risky just to be shot. The distance to defeat a large number of different means from MLRS artillery to anti-tank weapons.
    1. Lebed
      Lebed 9 July 2020 17: 17 New
      11
      I also hope that in the future the range will be increased.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 9 July 2020 19: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: tank64rus
      The range of 5-6 km for a car based on the Urals is clearly insufficient. If in Syria it rolls, then for a war with a modern army it will be very risky just to be shot. The distance to defeat a large number of different means from MLRS artillery to anti-tank weapons.

      Do you think that the rest of the artillery will be much further?
  • garri-lin
    garri-lin 9 July 2020 18: 46 New
    +1
    What is difficult to increase the range? A little less warhead a little more fuel and a greater range. I think that with a range of not particularly bother. They brought up to a value greater than the anti-tank equipment of the infantry and calmed down on that. And this is logical. Stealth and maneuver save from other, less flexible, threats. The most common and fast-responding do not reach. Why further increase the range thereby deteriorating the "lethality" of ammunition.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 9 July 2020 19: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: garri-lin
      What is difficult to increase the range?

      It is difficult that with an increase in the maximum range, the minimum range also increases
      And this is a big problem.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 9 July 2020 20: 03 New
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        So about this I say that it’s not necessary, it’s not Sunshine or Tosochka. They can work going into the coverage area of ​​most ATGMs and excellent.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 9 July 2020 19: 50 New
    +3
    as with a firing range of 6000 m, even if the carrier truck is armored, I think this system follows the terminator, that is, essentially in the first echelon, and here patency, mobility on rough terrain and the protection of the base tank are important
    1. TatarinSSSR
      TatarinSSSR 10 July 2020 17: 00 New
      0
      Apparently the generals see her work like this - the infantry rested in the well-fortified positions of the enemy, lay down. Then these same Tosochki and broads on a bus-man fly up behind the smoke and immediately tick back, away from the front.
  • Serpet
    Serpet 10 July 2020 15: 46 New
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    Put on the wheels! Not bad, a long time ago.
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 10 July 2020 16: 58 New
    +1
    The main thing at the Parade was a ride, grabbed the medals, listened to the boast and that's all. The rest is not important ... We have already forgotten that the VICTORY PARADE is the power of the Russian (Soviet) army, it is the force that must stop the aggressor and punish him for attacking the country. It is the power that the army has in service. And not the prototypes that are available piece by piece in all sorts of enterprises and design bureaus, which drag them from one exhibition to another, hoping to at least get it involved. And the modern parade has now been remade into an exhibition, everyone is called to it, who can buy it.
  • Pamir
    Pamir 11 July 2020 16: 00 New
    0
    Well, what can I say about Bulgaria, in the spirit of modern eastern Europe, it refused the modern verbiage from the South Stream project. Did the Poles decide to indulge? Stupidly, not very smart. And what were you guilty of? The unsubstantiated icons of Anglo-Saxon democracy? If only the redemption billions of $ 80 were requested from the United States, and payment before refusal, or simply as it is, so with their problems, the flow of "RF" would give more over time. Everyone in the EU, still will not understand , NOT ALL MONEY IS MEASURED. There will be Bulgarians when they remember Alyosha’s permission to remember, they will remember more. And in the case of the Russian Federation and they would have received something in the defense industry, they won’t here from Russia. Germany does not intend to refuse the flow from the Russian Federation, they’re playing on two strings, they assigned the completion of the flow to the Russian Federation to otmazatsya in front of Washington, such as the Germans did not insist and nothing, "Rusy" took over the completion of their hands. And be calm, the Germans will receive their dividends when distributing gas. "RUSSIA "they don’t refuse their own, they execute, but the Saxons-words do not take for execution .That's why, the Bulgarians should have raised a rebellion, unlike Euromaidan. Money could earn money from the Bulgarians, the Turks turned out to be more forward-looking, and this is a NATO country, a war is a war, even an information one, and they like pocket money. they didn’t miss. And about the army and navy of Bulgaria, what can I say? They are unlikely to decide in favor of Bulgaria, even against Greece alone, not to mention the coalition around Bulgaria. As for the Bulgarian Armed Forces today, this is a shadow of past influence.
  • Barnabas
    Barnabas 11 September 2020 11: 02 New
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    How much Toosachku wants ...

    I'm talking about the troops, of course about the troops!