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Destroy the operator, not the drone: Israeli vision of fighting UAVs

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Researchers at Ben Gurion University in the Israeli Negev, specializing in cyber technology, have created algorithms to determine the location of drone operators. The key to finding them is the flight path of the drone.


The corresponding report was submitted on July 3. The developers of the new technology are primarily interested in ensuring the safety of airports and airspace.

As the researchers explain, radio frequencies are used to control drones. Currently, in order to identify the operator from them, it is necessary to install special sensors in the UAV flight zone, thanks to which triangulation is carried out - one of the ways to determine the location of a radio emission source. However, this task complicates many other signals: WiFi, Bluetooth and others, which hide the signals sent to the drones.

However, the researchers taught the deep neural network (DNN) to indicate the location of UAV operators using only the trajectory of their movement. In this case, sensors in the flight zone are not required.

Now our system can identify patterns in the drone's travel route and use them to detect the operator

- explained the experts.

During the tests, the model was able to predict the location of the operator with an accuracy of 78%.
New technology can prove itself on the battlefield. For example, instead of fighting a flock of small drones in emergency mode, it is enough to calculate the location of the control point and destroy the operator.

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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 8 July 2020 10: 18 New
    +2
    Destroy the operator, not the drone: Israeli vision of fighting UAVs
    Mo-lod-tsy!
    А с "нашей" стороны еще и носителей ракет и бомб надо над территорией Ливана уничтожать!
    1. avg
      avg 8 July 2020 10: 38 New
      +8
      Да это Путин им подсказал: "...пусть не надеются удары будем наносить по центрам принятия решений " wink
      1. mdsr
        mdsr 8 July 2020 11: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: avg
        Да это Путин им подсказал: "...пусть не надеются удары будем наносить по центрам принятия решений " wink

        To grind with tongue - he is an expert. But this is not the same as bagging. How many decision centers did he destroy for the killed Peshkov, for the downed Il over the Mediterranean Sea, for the downed St. Petersburg airliner over the Sinai, for the thousands of killed Russians in the Donbass and many, many other tragedies?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 8 July 2020 12: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: mdsr
          for downed silt over the Mediterranean Sea

          Do you propose to bomb Damascus?
          1. mdsr
            mdsr 8 July 2020 12: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Quote: mdsr
            for downed silt over the Mediterranean Sea

            Do you propose to bomb Damascus?

            I suggest in vain not to grind with the tongue, but to do things. Israeli leaders do not engage in many hours of boltology, but silently do things, protecting their national interests. Do you prefer the leaders of talkers instead of business people?
            1. credo
              credo 8 July 2020 14: 57 New
              +2
              Quote: mdsr
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Quote: mdsr
              for downed silt over the Mediterranean Sea

              Do you propose to bomb Damascus?

              I suggest in vain not to grind with the tongue, but to do things. Israeli leaders do not engage in many hours of boltology, but silently do things, protecting their national interests. Do you prefer the leaders of talkers instead of business people?

              Well, you so zealously defended Israel, completely forgetting that each action has its own opposition.
              It is possible that this option of fighting with drones' operators will work against DAIS barmales and the like, but the militarily high-tech countries of the world will unambiguously protect their operators most likely with an air defense system. So it’s too early to praise Israel because it was not the first to express this proposal and not the first to seek ways to destroy the enemy’s decision-making headquarters. The rest, too, are not fools and are equally concerned about the same issue.
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 8 July 2020 23: 03 New
                +4
                кредо, смотрел сюжет новостей по ТВ, о том как "бравые" операторы БПЛА сша "работают" по целям в Афганистане находясь в своём Центре Управления в Майами (штат Флорида), сами MQ-9 Reaper взлетают где то на базах-подскока, дальность "Мрачного Жнеца" 1 900 км...
            2. Interlocutor
              Interlocutor 8 July 2020 19: 47 New
              +1
              Do you prefer the leaders of talkers instead of business people?

              The thing is that you are the talker. Also crazy, with populist inclinations, since you want to strike at decision centers for a soldier who died on the battlefield (in battle).
          2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 July 2020 13: 47 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Do you propose to bomb Damascus?

            If a criminal pushes a person under the wheels of a train passing by, then blaming the driver for this is an extreme measure of stupidity.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 8 July 2020 19: 26 New
              +4
              Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
              If a criminal pushes a person under the wheels of a train passing by, then blaming the driver for this is an extreme measure of stupidity.

              If a guard at the sight of an attacker is firing indiscriminately, then accusing the attacker of the death of an accidental passerby is at least strange.
              1. orionvitt
                orionvitt 9 July 2020 04: 51 New
                -1
                Да ладно вам сорить, "горячие эстонские парни", в любом случае, вся вина лежит на израиле. Специально устроить такую подставу, и с "честным видом", всегда заявлять, что мы друзья. Вот где гнилое нутро.
        2. yfast
          yfast 8 July 2020 12: 10 New
          -2
          As well as the dead in the Second World War.
        3. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 10 July 2020 07: 02 New
          0
          If we had fought back for Peshkov, we would now be at war with Turkey. One hundred percent of the Turks would capture Armenia as our ally, and we would have to attack Azerbaijan or Georgia to help the latter. Ukraine would be assisted in the destruction of the republics.
          And this is a mild version of the development of events, since Turkey is a member of NATO.
          Sometimes it’s not as simple as it seems.
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 8 July 2020 14: 46 New
        -1
        The solution is very interesting. good
        Syria and Libya are super suited for all kinds of tests.
        And there is little interference, and they arrive regularly. hi
    2. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 8 July 2020 13: 35 New
      +1
      ... the researchers taught the deep neural network (DNN) to indicate the location of UAV operators using only the trajectory of their movement ...

      - from the point of view of physics - complete insanity.
      Unless you assume that the drone starts flying at the point of location of its operator ...
      Then - if a UAV take-off point is determined - then no neural network is needed! Love at the take-off point - and that’s it.
      - ну, а если точку взлета устаноить не удалось - тады никакой глубины нейронной сети не хватит, ибо у опреатора БПЛА - "глубина нейронной сети" - все одно будет БОЛЬШЕ.
      8-))
      - взлетел и (если дальность позволяет) - на высоте 5 метров "пополз" перпендикулярно директрисе "на цель". Потом поднялся - и вперед. И тут - любая нейросеть - будет бессильна.

      During the tests, the model was able to predict the location of the operator with an accuracy of 78%

      - here, finally - WHAT ABOUT ?!
      Как можно "точность(!) предсказания местоположения" - сиречь, надо понимать - ДВУМЕРНЫХ(!) КООРДИНАТ указывать... В ПРОЦЕНТАХ ?!!!
      - и что такое - вааще - "предсказание(!) местоположения"?!
      Неужто "глубокая нейросеть" - предполагала, что оператор БПЛА - МЕЧЕТСЯ(!) в процессе управления БПЛА - и нужно решать задачу ПРЕДСКЗАНИЯ (!) - куда тот оператор "метнется" в произвольно-указанный момент в БУДУЩЕМ ?!!
      - Das fantastish! - insanity grew stronger ...
      8 - ((
      1. alstr
        alstr 8 July 2020 19: 58 New
        +1
        I remember that we had the subject of Audit. There, we were also asked to find the missing documents using the median of the triangle. Type at the intersection of medians is the missing document.
        We laughed for a long time

        But seriously. That thought is correct, but not feasible.
        It's simple.
        While the operator is detected (even if exactly), the time for detection and the flight time to the operator will be longer than the flight time of the drones to the target.
  2. Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 8 July 2020 10: 21 New
    +5
    Cool. The more drones a single operator controls, the easier it is to calculate it.
  3. svp67
    svp67 8 July 2020 10: 23 New
    12
    Well done. But how will this method work if control is done using a network of repeaters?
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 8 July 2020 10: 29 New
      -3
      For this technology, it doesn’t matter how the signal is transmitted, it’s important how the UAV moves. The operator is a person, we all have approximately the same thinking.
      1. Gnefredov
        Gnefredov 8 July 2020 10: 36 New
        +6
        Clear. It is necessary to fly from the rear :-)
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 8 July 2020 11: 12 New
        +8
        For this technology, it doesn’t matter how the signal is transmitted, it’s important how the UAV moves. The operator is a person, we all have approximately the same thinking.

        And how, then, how does the drone move in connection with the operator’s location, if there is no direct radio contact between them? How can I find out the operator – repeater – drone chain from the operator’s motion path? The maximum location of the repeater. And if the repeater itself is mobile, God forbid a satellite?

        Опять же - допустим появилась такая технология, операторы использующие радиоуправляемые дроны поумнели и банально начали "путать следы". Подлетать там с другого направления хотя бы.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 8 July 2020 11: 18 New
          -1
          Questions to the news, you need to read the original. Most likely there are restrictions on the use and we are talking about small drones. Normal army UAVs of the MALE class and above are extremely difficult to detect, and the control point is practically impossible.
      3. qQQQ
        qQQQ 8 July 2020 11: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Grazdanin
        For this technology, it doesn’t matter how the signal is transmitted, it’s important how the UAV moves. The operator is a person, we all have approximately the same thinking.

        This is true in the case when the operator drives the UAV to the target along the shortest route, and if you make a flight with a sufficient number of maneuvers immediately at the start, determining the place is the same as sticking a finger at the sky.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 8 July 2020 11: 19 New
          +1
          War is the way of deception, deceit is the way of war.
      4. dauria
        dauria 8 July 2020 11: 42 New
        +2
        The operator is a person, we all have approximately the same thinking.


        Согласен. Вспомнилась фраза бортача с Ми-8 после таможни -" Эти таможенники открывали лючки , о которых я и не знал". То есть таможенникам нужна только статистика "куда и как прячут".

        Только эта система скорей полицейская и спецслужб , а не военных. По расположению зданий, препятствий, реакции на их облёт , даже по мешающему яркому солнцу в принципе можно определить ,где сидит "хулиган". Да и типовых ширпотребных методов немного - визуальный от третьего лица ( с земли), визуальный от первого лица ( по камере на борту ), по телеметрии ( по приборам на борту). И самый -самый паскудный для вычисления хулигана автономный пролет по программе с инерциальной навигацией.
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 July 2020 15: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: dauria
          Only this system is more likely police and special services

          It's about destroying the operator for a second
      5. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 July 2020 13: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: Grazdanin
        No matter how the signal is transmitted, it is important how the UAV moves

        If the UAV moves heavily, heavily, then the operator, obviously, sits in the nearest restaurant and gobbles up. If the UAV sways on the course, the operator in the nearest bar will be able to know.
    2. Gnefredov
      Gnefredov 8 July 2020 10: 35 New
      +3
      Or another drone. Or from a cloud of Drones.
      In the second case, a neural network will not do without a half-liter :-)
    3. Hey
      Hey 8 July 2020 10: 56 New
      +1
      But how will this method work if control is done using a network of repeaters?

      So first you need to destroy the repeater. If you want to break the network of repeaters. How to cause network congestion. Make the UAV operator approach the front line or demarcation line.
      1. svp67
        svp67 8 July 2020 11: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: MUD
        So first you need to destroy the repeater.

        А вот с этим проблема...Там много разных схем и с привлечением спутников,самолетов,вертолетов и построением "сот"...
        1. Hey
          Hey 8 July 2020 16: 05 New
          +1
          .
          Там много разных схем и с привлечением спутников,самолетов,вертолетов и построением "сот"..

          If at least one of the transponders fails, as I already wrote, the load on the remaining communication channels increases, and they will be given to priority consumers. And if only the UAV does not conduct special operations, then their communication channels will be taken from them, which in turn will lead to the disruption of the combat mission or force the operator to approach direct radio visibility. And then the discussed counteraction algorithm comes into effect.
    4. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 July 2020 13: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      how will this method work if it is controlled by a network of repeaters?

      Or the UAV follows the target in automatic mode, and the operator either does not connect at all, or connects to the final section of the trajectory.
    5. Alex777
      Alex777 8 July 2020 14: 51 New
      +1
      Well done. But how will this method work if control is done using a network of repeaters?

      If a space repeater - Relight to help him. wink
      I’m joking, and the barmels have no time to bother with such difficulties.
      Ordinary, and even in the desert - the same goal as the operator.
      A very budgetary approach is obtained. good
      The costs of attackers will rise sharply. The costs of the defenders will decrease.
      In most cases, the art will cover the discovered targets.
      SAM missiles will be saved for more interesting purposes.
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 8 July 2020 23: 13 New
        +1
        Александр, а если "бармалеи" будут использовать операторов-смертников ? - тогда вопрос во времени обнаружения "оператора" и времени на уничтожение "оператора". Были "шахид-мобили" - станут "шахид-операторы"... старые методы с новыми технологиями.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 8 July 2020 23: 24 New
          0
          The competition of shell and armor has been going on for centuries.
          The drone operator is a piece of goods.
          Not confused boys, but well-educated cadres.
          In short, they will be killed, new ones will not climb. I think so.
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 8 July 2020 23: 35 New
            +1
            Александр, оператор-беспилотника = оператор ПК, оператор БПЛА для одного взлёта, пролёта до цели например по прямой и нажатием "красной кнопки" по достижению "пункта назначения" или просто "врезаться в "цель" - "много ума не надо", день-другой на тренировку и в бой. Главное ПСИХОЛОГИЧЕСКАЯ обработка, что бы "оператор" не отвлекался от "цели" и довел БПЛА до "цели".
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 8 July 2020 23: 44 New
              0
              My friend is an amateur operator.
              This is the whole story of how much you need to train to feel the device in the air. And since it flies slowly - the topic of programming has gone - it is unlikely IMHO. Our drones that shot rockets and other attacks were also controlled by operators, IMHO.
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 8 July 2020 23: 53 New
                +1
                Александр, для "шахид-мобилей" то же необходимо готовить "водителей", для кого продают БПЛА на "Алиэкспрессе" ? - я про них речь веду. Будут готовить "шахид-оператора" - месяц или 2 месяца, целым "классом" человек на 30 (взвод) - смысл в самой идеологии "бойцов на 1 атаку".
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 8 July 2020 23: 56 New
                  0
                  Attacks from Idlib no more than once a week. So they don’t have so many people and so many drones.
                  1. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 9 July 2020 00: 01 New
                    0
                    Пока Идлиб "крышует" Турция и прочие "радетели демократии" - оператор БПЛА может "работать" в безопасности и заморачиваться о других методах "войны" им не надо.
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 9 July 2020 00: 43 New
                      0
                      От "случайного" снаряда или ракеты никто не застрахован. bully
                      1. cat Rusich
                        cat Rusich 9 July 2020 19: 14 New
                        0
                        Александр, по ходу дела (война в Сирии) Турция как раз и "страхует" "бородатых" от "случайных" снарядов и ракет (например Калибр). Сколько лет САА "топчется" на пороге Идлиба, а САВВС не "работает" по целям в Идлибе.
                      2. Alex777
                        Alex777 9 July 2020 19: 17 New
                        0
                        Headquarters in Aleppo were covered in caliber, in which the Yanks, Turks, the British, the Saudis, the Franks, and others sat.
                        And nothing prevented them from jamming if necessary.
                        Потом, да, договорились о "деэскалации". hi
                      3. cat Rusich
                        cat Rusich 9 July 2020 19: 32 New
                        0
                        Александр, или САА ПОБЕЖДАЕТ и освобождает Идлиб и его окрестности или "договаривается о деэскалации" - сегодня наступление на Идлиб заглохло - "страховщик" выполняет свои "обязанности", а мы (Россия) ? - "договариваемся". Разговор был про "шахидов-операторов" - "подготовить" их для "бородатых" не проблема "технология отлажена" - вспоминаю репортаж в новостях про Сирию, в котором советник САА говорил про наступление "бородатых" с помощью "шахид-мобилей", которые наступали позиции САА каждые 10-15 минут (пока видимо не закончились машины). Подготовка оператора БПЛА тоже не проблема - научат в пределах необходимого для 1 атаки.
      2. su25
        su25 9 July 2020 13: 24 New
        0
        Так и "интеллектуалов", способных по данным нейросети поразить оператора БПЛА будет ничуть не больше.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 9 July 2020 15: 21 New
          0
          This is true. But they will not be attacked. smile
  • Gust
    Gust 8 July 2020 10: 31 New
    12
    This is crap. The trajectory depends on the flight mission, and not on the location of the operator (who can sit overseas). If we are talking about drones with a short lead, then they are already choked by electronic warfare, and the operator is detected by RTR with 100% accuracy. If the drones are large, then they have a flight according to the task (program) and / or communication with a highly directional antenna via satellite.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 8 July 2020 11: 14 New
      +3
      When it comes to drones with a short leash

      So this is the point. The article itself refers to civilian drones near airports.
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 July 2020 15: 35 New
        0
        Quote: alexmach
        The article itself refers to civilian drones near airports

        Yeah, finding a civilian drone near Ben-Gurion Airport will be using artillery or tactical missiles to hit Tel Aviv's quarters to cover its operator with a 78% probability.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 8 July 2020 17: 24 New
          0
          Нет, обнаружат примерное местоположение оператора и вышлют в тот район машину "радиоразведки", она сделает круг по району и запеленгует точное место, потом из неё же выйдут вежливые люди и выпишут люлей оператору.
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 9 July 2020 15: 53 New
            0
            Quote: alexmach
            then polite people will come out of it and write out a lyuley to the operator.

            The article expressed a different opinion:
            just calculate the location of the control point and destroy the operator
  • Poetry
    Poetry 8 July 2020 10: 39 New
    +3
    Not a fact, it seems to me. Americans hammer on Afghans, sitting in Ramstein Germany.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 8 July 2020 22: 08 New
      +1
      Americans are not the goals of this system.
      They control via satellites. Not about them.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 8 July 2020 10: 39 New
    +2
    The idea is certainly wonderful, but there are problems. How will the search be carried out if the UAV goes according to the program to a specific target or receives the same signal via satellite?
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 8 July 2020 12: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      How will the search be carried out if the UAV goes through the program for a specific target or receives the same signal via satellite?

      I think you are already talking about large UAVs that are not used by a swarm. The meaning of the swarm is to overload the enemy’s air defense with targets that are inconspicuous for him, operating in his air defense zone and strike a target. Accordingly, the swarm should be inexpensive, because the UAV in it is disposable. In the video, just like that. IMHO, this is another class of UAVs, without a satellite channel.
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 8 July 2020 14: 07 New
        +2
        У ВС турков есть действующая система, по называнию "Kemend". Суть дела в том,что многие платформы- наземные,воздушные и морские интегрированы по программе этой системы и все они могут в онлайн режиме следить за выпущенной крылатой ракетой в одном из этих платформ,могут следить за полетевшим беспилотником,главное,передавать друг-другу управления этих крылатых рокет и боевых беспилотников...То есть,у одного и того же беспилотника или у роя беспилотников одновременно может быть в нескольких точках операторов,следящими за процессом и управлением.При таком случае,засекая и "убирая" оператора,рой или БПЛА не останется бесхозным.
        1. Galleon
          Galleon 8 July 2020 15: 24 New
          0
          Thank. A pretty important addition to the topic under discussion.
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 8 July 2020 10: 41 New
    +3
    In general, the idea is certainly cool.
    Ибо "беспилотник", можно новый купить, а вот подготовить грамотного оператора это время.
    Just need to learn how to calculate them.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 8 July 2020 11: 30 New
    +2
    The idea is not so reliable. Dron operators are also not Bourbaki, send the drone to loop a bit, then find it along the trajectory.
    Perhaps this is so, a smoke screen, and the method of determining the operator will be much more complicated ... if it is, of course.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 8 July 2020 11: 33 New
    +5
    Это не "израильское видение", а маленькая лаборатория в Институте им. Бен-Гуриона.

    The laboratory is located in the building of Carol and Markus Weinstein Software and Information Systems Engineering and Cybersecurity (Building 96), 3rd floor, room 318.

    Indeed, such a study was presented at the Fourth International Symposium on Cybersecurity, Cryptography and Machine Learning (CSCML 2020) on July 3. However, it deals exclusively with small drones.
    Small commercial unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), called drones, pose a significant security risk due to their flexibility, high availability and low cost. In this regard, there is a growing need to develop methods for detecting, localizing and preventing the harmful and other harmful actions of these drones. This article presents our work on the autonomous localization of drone operators, based only on following their path in the sky. We use a realistic simulation environment and collect the drone trajectory when flying from different angles. A deep neural network was trained to be able to predict the location of unmanned aerial vehicle operators, given the path of the drones. The model is capable of predicting the location of the operator with an accuracy of 73%.


    For testing, we used the open-source AirSim cross-platform simulator for unmanned aerial vehicles using 10 km of roads and realistic obstacles such as buildings. According to the researchers, improving algorithms in the future may even provide information on operator skills.
    Original report here:
    https://orenlab.sise.bgu.ac.il/p/DroneLocation.pdf
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 8 July 2020 19: 50 New
      +1
      The laboratory is located in the building of Carol and Markus Weinstein Software and Information Systems Engineering and Cybersecurity (Building 96), 3rd floor, room 318.


      Definitely well done guys.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 8 July 2020 12: 01 New
    +4
    In addition, Israel developed the first interceptor drone. He flies up to the reconnaissance drone (or striker) and first tries to cut it off from the control (EW), if it does not succeed, damage it with a weapon, if it does not work out, it goes to ram.
    "Ближний бой" предусмотрен и в автономном режиме.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 8 July 2020 12: 13 New
      +3
      Hawk for the Sentinel Birds? wink
      “Listen,” he asked, still looking up at the sky, “and who will the Hawks hunt for when they kill all the Guardian Birds?”
      - That is, as? - confused MacIntyre. “N-well ... after all ...”
      “You would have designed something for hunting the Hawk for safety.” Just in case, you know.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 8 July 2020 12: 42 New
        +1
        Like ... a drone is a drone hunter.
        I wonder what he will do if the eagle attacks him? belay
        Or a flock of ravens?
        1. Eugene-Eugene
          8 July 2020 13: 04 New
          0
          You did not read Robert Sheckley ...
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 8 July 2020 13: 46 New
            +1
            Я "Стаж-птицу" читал, конечно. И Шекли люблю.
        2. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 8 July 2020 14: 15 New
          0
          "Интересно, что он сделает, если на него орел нападет? " Я бы добавил к этому дрону "Сигнал с машин Бакинских автохулиганов",чтоб мирно разойтись laughing Если не поймет,то ваш вариант применим против орла,"сначала пытается отрезать его от управления ( РЭБ), если не удается - повредить его оружием, если не получилось - идет на таран." laughing
    2. yfast
      yfast 8 July 2020 12: 14 New
      +1
      But he will not confuse him with a civilian aircraft? And then, no matter how worse it was with a ram.
    3. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 8 July 2020 13: 37 New
      0
      Are there any links to materials on this drone?
  • rotfuks
    rotfuks 8 July 2020 12: 22 New
    +1
    This technology is good if the drone is launched from a desert area from a dugout and is controlled by the operator in real time. But now the drones fly along a pre-programmed trajectory and the control point is simply absent there. And if the drone is controlled from a control point located on the plane? Aircraft detection and guidance complex type AWACS for this is very often used. Then what, AWACS to shoot down?
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 8 July 2020 12: 57 New
    0
    Дикие люди. Космонавтика для этого требуется! А еще, простейший беспилотник - не управляется, летит по заданой траектории. Лепилы))) Сидя на земле "Методом триангуляции" будут вычислять расположение антенны, уверяя всех, что антенна и есть оператор)))
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 8 July 2020 13: 20 New
    +2
    having noticed the RQ-4 Global Hawk, with 100% probability we can say that the operator is ... somewhere in the USA ... :))
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 8 July 2020 14: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      having noticed the RQ-4 Global Hawk, with 100% probability we can say that the operator is ... somewhere in the USA ... :))

      Pffff ... this is from documents for Congress and the Senate. And then suddenly it turns out that, as part of the military budget, drones are outsourced to Indians. laughing
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 8 July 2020 20: 03 New
      0
      But specifically this bird, both because of its cost and its tasks, can very well fly without an operator, why does it even need an operator?
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 July 2020 13: 43 New
    0
    The key to finding them is the flight path of the drone.

    Deep thought.

    Instead of fighting a flock of small drones in emergency mode, it is enough to calculate the location of the control point and destroy the operator.

    Better yet, return to the past and destroy the ancestor of the operator. Or the inventor of the UAV. Or the inventor of the plane. Or a radio. And to be sure for sure, you can dunk the villain that he invented - after his invention people had too much free time and energy for all sorts of dirty tricks.
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 8 July 2020 16: 16 New
    +1
    A very good and healthy idea, but only against remote-controlled drones.
  • Allex
    Allex 8 July 2020 18: 39 New
    0
    Well duck is not a sensation!
  • Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 8 July 2020 20: 56 New
    0
    Quote: tikhonov66
    ... the researchers taught the deep neural network (DNN) to indicate the location of UAV operators using only the trajectory of their movement ...

    - from the point of view of physics - complete insanity.
    Unless you assume that the drone starts flying at the point of location of its operator ...
    Then - if a UAV take-off point is determined - then no neural network is needed! Love at the take-off point - and that’s it.
    - ну, а если точку взлета устаноить не удалось - тады никакой глубины нейронной сети не хватит, ибо у опреатора БПЛА - "глубина нейронной сети" - все одно будет БОЛЬШЕ.
    8-))
    - взлетел и (если дальность позволяет) - на высоте 5 метров "пополз" перпендикулярно директрисе "на цель". Потом поднялся - и вперед. И тут - любая нейросеть - будет бессильна.

    During the tests, the model was able to predict the location of the operator with an accuracy of 78%

    - here, finally - WHAT ABOUT ?!
    Как можно "точность(!) предсказания местоположения" - сиречь, надо понимать - ДВУМЕРНЫХ(!) КООРДИНАТ указывать... В ПРОЦЕНТАХ ?!!!
    - и что такое - вааще - "предсказание(!) местоположения"?!
    Неужто "глубокая нейросеть" - предполагала, что оператор БПЛА - МЕЧЕТСЯ(!) в процессе управления БПЛА - и нужно решать задачу ПРЕДСКЗАНИЯ (!) - куда тот оператор "метнется" в произвольно-указанный момент в БУДУЩЕМ ?!!
    - Das fantastish! - insanity grew stronger ...
    8 - ((

    Ещё и беспилотники могут взлетать совсем не там, где находится оператор. Да и передатчик может находится не там, где оператор находится. Но тут же "новые технологии" - прокукарекал, а дальше хоть солнце не вставай.
  • su25
    su25 9 July 2020 13: 28 New
    0
    Думаю, любая современная система РЭБ окажется эффективнее "угадайки" с поиском операторов. К тому же и воздействовать она может сразу на весь "рой".
    1. doubovitski
      doubovitski 9 July 2020 13: 39 New
      0
      Quote: su25
      Думаю, любая современная система РЭБ окажется эффективнее "угадайки" с поиском операторов. К тому же и воздействовать она может сразу на весь "рой".

      The threat of the death of the operator himself creates a completely different psychological situation. It’s one thing, not hiding, and not being afraid, alternating control with smoking a cigarette and a cup of coffee, and when you realize that at any moment something will hit your head on the head ... It's like at the front when you are waiting for a sniper shot.
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 9 July 2020 13: 35 New
    0
    And who said that multiple signals from one place interfere with accurate direction finding? They help. The only thing that needs to be taken into account is multiple reflections from objects surrounding the transmitter that create various echoes. But the multi-frequency signals that can be analyzed by technology do not distort, but supplement the data. They behave differently. And they create different echo pictures.