Destroy the operator, not the drone: Israeli vision of fighting UAVs

Researchers from the Ben-Gurion University in the Israeli Negev, specializing in cybertechnology, have created algorithms for determining the location of operators drones. The key to finding them is the flight path. drone.

The corresponding report was submitted on July 3. The developers of the new technology are primarily interested in ensuring the safety of airports and airspace.

As the researchers explain, radio frequencies are used to control drones. Currently, in order to identify the operator from them, it is necessary to install special sensors in the UAV flight zone, thanks to which triangulation is carried out - one of the ways to determine the location of a radio emission source. However, this task complicates many other signals: WiFi, Bluetooth and others, which hide the signals sent to the drones.

However, the researchers taught the deep neural network (DNN) to indicate the location of UAV operators using only the trajectory of their movement. In this case, sensors in the flight zone are not required.

Now our system can identify patterns in the drone's travel route and use them to detect the operator

- explained the experts.

During the tests, the model was able to predict the location of the operator with an accuracy of 78%.
New technology can prove itself on the battlefield. For example, instead of fighting a flock of small drones in emergency mode, it is enough to calculate the location of the control point and destroy the operator.

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[Victor_B]

Destroy the operator, not the drone: Israeli vision of fighting UAVs

Mo-lod-tsy!
And from "our" side, the carriers of missiles and bombs must also be destroyed over the territory of Lebanon!

[avg]

Yes, it was Putin who prompted them: "... let them not hope we will strike at the decision-making centers"

[mdsr]

Quote: avg

Yes, it was Putin who prompted them: "... let them not hope we will strike at the decision-making centers"

To grind with tongue - he is an expert. But this is not the same as bagging. How many decision centers did he destroy for the killed Peshkov, for the downed Il over the Mediterranean Sea, for the downed St. Petersburg airliner over the Sinai, for the thousands of killed Russians in the Donbass and many, many other tragedies?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: mdsr

for downed silt over the Mediterranean Sea

Do you propose to bomb Damascus?

[mdsr]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: mdsr

for downed silt over the Mediterranean Sea

Do you propose to bomb Damascus?

I suggest in vain not to grind with the tongue, but to do things. Israeli leaders do not engage in many hours of boltology, but silently do things, protecting their national interests. Do you prefer the leaders of talkers instead of business people?

[credo]

Quote: mdsr

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: mdsr

for downed silt over the Mediterranean Sea

Do you propose to bomb Damascus?

I suggest in vain not to grind with the tongue, but to do things. Israeli leaders do not engage in many hours of boltology, but silently do things, protecting their national interests. Do you prefer the leaders of talkers instead of business people?

Well, you so zealously defended Israel, completely forgetting that each action has its own opposition.
It is possible that this option of fighting with drones' operators will work against DAIS barmales and the like, but the militarily high-tech countries of the world will unambiguously protect their operators most likely with an air defense system. So it’s too early to praise Israel because it was not the first to express this proposal and not the first to seek ways to destroy the enemy’s decision-making headquarters. The rest, too, are not fools and are equally concerned about the same issue.

[cat Rusich]

credo, I watched a news story on TV, about how "gallant" US UAV operators "work" on targets in Afghanistan while at their Control Center in Miami (Florida), the MQ-9 Reaper themselves take off somewhere at jump bases, range "Grim Reaper" 1 km ...

[Interlocutor]

Do you prefer the leaders of talkers instead of business people?

The thing is that you are the talker. Also crazy, with populist inclinations, since you want to strike at decision centers for a soldier who died on the battlefield (in battle).

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Alexey RA

Do you propose to bomb Damascus?

If a criminal pushes a person under the wheels of a train passing by, then blaming the driver for this is an extreme measure of stupidity.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

If a criminal pushes a person under the wheels of a train passing by, then blaming the driver for this is an extreme measure of stupidity.

If a guard at the sight of an attacker is firing indiscriminately, then accusing the attacker of the death of an accidental passerby is at least strange.

[orionvitt]

Come on, litter, "hot Estonian guys", in any case, all the fault lies with Israel. Especially arrange such a setup, and with an "honest air", always declare that we are friends. That's where the rotten gut is.

[yfast]

As well as the dead in the Second World War.

[Herman 4223]

If we had fought back for Peshkov, we would now be at war with Turkey. One hundred percent of the Turks would capture Armenia as our ally, and we would have to attack Azerbaijan or Georgia to help the latter. Ukraine would be assisted in the destruction of the republics.
And this is a mild version of the development of events, since Turkey is a member of NATO.
Sometimes it’s not as simple as it seems.

[Alex777]

The solution is very interesting.
Syria and Libya are super suited for all kinds of tests.
And there is little interference, and they arrive regularly.

[tikhonov66]

... the researchers taught the deep neural network (DNN) to indicate the location of UAV operators using only the trajectory of their movement ...

- from the point of view of physics - complete insanity.
Unless you assume that the drone starts flying at the point of location of its operator ...
Then - if a UAV take-off point is determined - then no neural network is needed! Love at the take-off point - and that’s it.
- well, and if the take-off point could not be established, then no depth of the neural network will be enough, because the operator of the UAV has the "depth of the neural network" - all the same will be MORE.
8-))
- took off and (if the range permits) - at a height of 5 meters "crawled" perpendicular to the director "to the target". Then he got up - and forward. And here - any neural network - will be powerless.

During the tests, the model was able to predict the location of the operator with an accuracy of 78%

- here, finally - WHAT ABOUT ?!
How can "accuracy (!) Of position prediction" - that is, you have to understand - TWO-DIMENSIONAL (!) COORDINATES to indicate ... IN PERCENTAGE? !!!
- and what is - vaasche - "prediction (!) location" ?!
Could it be that a "deep neural network" - supposed that the UAV operator IS DREAMED (!) In the process of UAV control - and it is necessary to solve the PREDICTION problem (!) - where that operator will "dash" at an arbitrary specified moment in the FUTURE ?!
- Das fantastish! - insanity grew stronger ...
8 - ((

[alstr]

I remember that we had the subject of Audit. There, we were also asked to find the missing documents using the median of the triangle. Type at the intersection of medians is the missing document.
We laughed for a long time

But seriously. That thought is correct, but not feasible.
It's simple.
While the operator is detected (even if exactly), the time for detection and the flight time to the operator will be longer than the flight time of the drones to the target.

[Grazdanin]

Cool. The more drones a single operator controls, the easier it is to calculate it.

[svp67]

Well done. But how will this method work if control is done using a network of repeaters?

[Grazdanin]

For this technology, it doesn’t matter how the signal is transmitted, it’s important how the UAV moves. The operator is a person, we all have approximately the same thinking.

[Gnefredov]

Clear. It is necessary to fly from the rear :-)

[alexmach]

For this technology, it doesn’t matter how the signal is transmitted, it’s important how the UAV moves. The operator is a person, we all have approximately the same thinking.

And how, then, how does the drone move in connection with the operator’s location, if there is no direct radio contact between them? How can I find out the operator – repeater – drone chain from the operator’s motion path? The maximum location of the repeater. And if the repeater itself is mobile, God forbid a satellite?

Again - let's say such a technology appeared, operators using radio-controlled drones became smarter and banal began to "confuse tracks." Fly there from a different direction at least.

[Grazdanin]

Questions to the news, you need to read the original. Most likely there are restrictions on the use and we are talking about small drones. Normal army UAVs of the MALE class and above are extremely difficult to detect, and the control point is practically impossible.

[qQQQ]

Quote: Grazdanin

For this technology, it doesn’t matter how the signal is transmitted, it’s important how the UAV moves. The operator is a person, we all have approximately the same thinking.

This is true in the case when the operator drives the UAV to the target along the shortest route, and if you make a flight with a sufficient number of maneuvers immediately at the start, determining the place is the same as sticking a finger at the sky.

[Grazdanin]

War is the way of deception, deceit is the way of war.

[dauria]

The operator is a person, we all have approximately the same thinking.

I agree. I remembered the phrase of the Mi-8 crewman after customs - "These customs officers opened hatches, which I did not know about." That is, customs officers only need statistics "where and how they hide."

Only this system is more likely a police and special services system, not a military one. By the location of buildings, obstacles, reactions to their flying around, even by the disturbing bright sun, in principle, you can determine where the "bully" is sitting. And there are not many typical popular methods - visual from the third person (from the ground), visual from the first person (using the camera on board), telemetry (using instruments on board). And the most vile autonomous flight for calculating a bully according to a program with inertial navigation.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: dauria

Only this system is more likely police and special services

It's about destroying the operator for a second

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Grazdanin

No matter how the signal is transmitted, it is important how the UAV moves

If the UAV moves heavily, heavily, then the operator, obviously, sits in the nearest restaurant and gobbles up. If the UAV sways on the course, the operator in the nearest bar will be able to know.

[Gnefredov]

Or another drone. Or from a cloud of Drones.
In the second case, a neural network will not do without a half-liter :-)

[Hey]

But how will this method work if control is done using a network of repeaters?

So first you need to destroy the repeater. If you want to break the network of repeaters. How to cause network congestion. Make the UAV operator approach the front line or demarcation line.

[svp67]

Quote: MUD

So first you need to destroy the repeater.

But with this the problem ... There are many different schemes and with the involvement of satellites, aircraft, helicopters and the construction of "honeycomb" ...

[Hey]

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There are many different schemes with the involvement of satellites, aircraft, helicopters and the construction of "honeycomb" ..

If at least one of the transponders fails, as I already wrote, the load on the remaining communication channels increases, and they will be given to priority consumers. And if only the UAV does not conduct special operations, then their communication channels will be taken from them, which in turn will lead to the disruption of the combat mission or force the operator to approach direct radio visibility. And then the discussed counteraction algorithm comes into effect.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: svp67

how will this method work if it is controlled by a network of repeaters?

Or the UAV follows the target in automatic mode, and the operator either does not connect at all, or connects to the final section of the trajectory.

[Alex777]

Well done. But how will this method work if control is done using a network of repeaters?

If a space repeater - Relight to help him.
I’m joking, and the barmels have no time to bother with such difficulties.
Ordinary, and even in the desert - the same goal as the operator.
A very budgetary approach is obtained.
The costs of attackers will rise sharply. The costs of the defenders will decrease.
In most cases, the art will cover the discovered targets.
SAM missiles will be saved for more interesting purposes.

[cat Rusich]

Alexander, what if the "barmaley" will use suicide operators? - then the question is in the time of detection of the "operator" and the time to destroy the "operator". There were "martyrs" - there will be "martyrs" ... old methods with new technologies.

[Alex777]

The competition of shell and armor has been going on for centuries.
The drone operator is a piece of goods.
Not confused boys, but well-educated cadres.
In short, they will be killed, new ones will not climb. I think so.

[cat Rusich]

Alexander, drone operator = PC operator, UAV operator for one takeoff, flying to the target, for example, in a straight line and pressing the "red button" upon reaching the "destination" or simply "crashing into the" target "-" you don't need much mind ", day - another for training and in battle.The main thing is PSYCHOLOGICAL processing, so that the "operator" is not distracted from the "target" and brings the UAV to the "target".

[Alex777]

My friend is an amateur operator.
This is the whole story of how much you need to train to feel the device in the air. And since it flies slowly - the topic of programming has gone - it is unlikely IMHO. Our drones that shot rockets and other attacks were also controlled by operators, IMHO.

[cat Rusich]

Alexander, for "shahid-mobiles" the same is necessary to train "drivers", for whom do they sell UAVs on "Aliexpress"? - I'm talking about them. They will train a "shahid operator" - a month or 2 months, with a whole "class" of people for 30 (platoon) - the meaning is in the very ideology of "fighters for 1 attack".

[Alex777]

Attacks from Idlib no more than once a week. So they don’t have so many people and so many drones.

[cat Rusich]

While Turkey and other "guardians of democracy" are "protecting" Idlib, the UAV operator can "work" in safety and do not need to bother about other methods of "war".

[Alex777]

Nobody is safe from a "accidental" shell or missile.

[cat Rusich]

Alexander, along the way (the war in Syria) Turkey is just "insuring" "bearded" from "accidental" shells and missiles (for example, Caliber). How many years SAA has been "marking time" on the threshold of Idlib, and SAVVS does not "work" on targets in Idlib.

[Alex777]

Headquarters in Aleppo were covered in caliber, in which the Yanks, Turks, the British, the Saudis, the Franks, and others sat.
And nothing prevented them from jamming if necessary.
Then, yes, we agreed on "de-escalation".

[cat Rusich]

Alexander, or SAA WINS and liberates Idlib and its surroundings, or "negotiates de-escalation" - today the offensive on Idlib has stalled - the "insurer" is fulfilling its "duties", and we (Russia)? - "we agree". The conversation was about "shahids-operators" - "preparing" them for the "bearded" is not a problem "the technology is debugged" - I remember a report in the news about Syria, in which the CAA advisor spoke about the offensive of the "bearded" with the help of "shahid-mobiles" CAA positions were advancing every 10-15 minutes (until the vehicles apparently ran out). UAV operator training is also not a problem - they will teach within the limits necessary for 1 attack.

[su25]

Likewise, there will be no more "intellectuals" capable of hitting the UAV operator according to the neural network data.

[Alex777]

This is true. But they will not be attacked.

[Flurry]

This is crap. The trajectory depends on the flight mission, and not on the location of the operator (who can sit overseas). If we are talking about drones with a short lead, then they are already choked by electronic warfare, and the operator is detected by RTR with 100% accuracy. If the drones are large, then they have a flight according to the task (program) and / or communication with a highly directional antenna via satellite.

[alexmach]

When it comes to drones with a short leash

So this is the point. The article itself refers to civilian drones near airports.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: alexmach

The article itself refers to civilian drones near airports

Yeah, finding a civilian drone near Ben-Gurion Airport will be using artillery or tactical missiles to hit Tel Aviv's quarters to cover its operator with a 78% probability.

[alexmach]

No, they will find the approximate location of the operator and send a "radio reconnaissance" vehicle to that area, it will make a circle around the area and find the exact place, then polite people will come out of it and write them out to the operator.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: alexmach

then polite people will come out of it and write out a lyuley to the operator.

The article expressed a different opinion:

just calculate the location of the control point and destroy the operator

[Poetry]

Not a fact, it seems to me. Americans hammer on Afghans, sitting in Ramstein Germany.

[Alex777]

Americans are not the goals of this system.
They control via satellites. Not about them.

[APASUS]

The idea is certainly wonderful, but there are problems. How will the search be carried out if the UAV goes according to the program to a specific target or receives the same signal via satellite?

[Galleon]

Quote: APASUS

How will the search be carried out if the UAV goes through the program for a specific target or receives the same signal via satellite?

I think you are already talking about large UAVs that are not used by a swarm. The meaning of the swarm is to overload the enemy’s air defense with targets that are inconspicuous for him, operating in his air defense zone and strike a target. Accordingly, the swarm should be inexpensive, because the UAV in it is disposable. In the video, just like that. IMHO, this is another class of UAVs, without a satellite channel.

[Oquzyurd]

The Turkish Armed Forces have a functioning system called "Kemend". The essence of the matter is that many platforms - land, air and sea - are integrated according to the program of this system, and all of them can online monitor the launched cruise missile in one of these platforms, they can follow the flying drone, most importantly, transfer control to each other these winged rocket and combat drones ... That is, one and the same drone or a swarm of drones can simultaneously have operators at several points monitoring the process and control. In this case, detecting and "removing" the operator, a swarm or UAV will not remain ownerless.

[Galleon]

Thank. A pretty important addition to the topic under discussion.

[Retvizan 8]

In general, the idea is certainly cool.
For a "drone", you can buy a new one, but it is time to prepare a competent operator.
Just need to learn how to calculate them.

[rocket757]

The idea is not so reliable. Dron operators are also not Bourbaki, send the drone to loop a bit, then find it along the trajectory.
Perhaps this is so, a smoke screen, and the method of determining the operator will be much more complicated ... if it is, of course.

[A. Privalov]

This is not an "Israeli vision", but a small laboratory at the Institute. Ben Gurion.

The laboratory is located in the building of Carol and Markus Weinstein Software and Information Systems Engineering and Cybersecurity (Building 96), 3rd floor, room 318.

Indeed, such a study was presented at the Fourth International Symposium on Cybersecurity, Cryptography and Machine Learning (CSCML 2020) on July 3. However, it deals exclusively with small drones.

Small commercial unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), called drones, pose a significant security risk due to their flexibility, high availability and low cost. In this regard, there is a growing need to develop methods for detecting, localizing and preventing the harmful and other harmful actions of these drones. This article presents our work on the autonomous localization of drone operators, based only on following their path in the sky. We use a realistic simulation environment and collect the drone trajectory when flying from different angles. A deep neural network was trained to be able to predict the location of unmanned aerial vehicle operators, given the path of the drones. The model is capable of predicting the location of the operator with an accuracy of 73%.

For testing, we used the open-source AirSim cross-platform simulator for unmanned aerial vehicles using 10 km of roads and realistic obstacles such as buildings. According to the researchers, improving algorithms in the future may even provide information on operator skills.
Original report here:
https://orenlab.sise.bgu.ac.il/p/DroneLocation.pdf

[Interlocutor]

The laboratory is located in the building of Carol and Markus Weinstein Software and Information Systems Engineering and Cybersecurity (Building 96), 3rd floor, room 318.

Definitely well done guys.

[voyaka uh]

In addition, Israel developed the first interceptor drone. He flies up to the reconnaissance drone (or striker) and first tries to cut it off from the control (EW), if it does not succeed, damage it with a weapon, if it does not work out, it goes to ram.
"Close combat" is also provided in offline mode.

[Alexey RA]

Hawk for the Sentinel Birds?

“Listen,” he asked, still looking up at the sky, “and who will the Hawks hunt for when they kill all the Guardian Birds?”
- That is, as? - confused MacIntyre. “N-well ... after all ...”
“You would have designed something for hunting the Hawk for safety.” Just in case, you know.

[voyaka uh]

Like ... a drone is a drone hunter.
I wonder what he will do if the eagle attacks him?
Or a flock of ravens?

[Eugene-Eugene]

You did not read Robert Sheckley ...

[voyaka uh]

I read "The Bird Experience", of course. And I love Sheckley.

[Oquzyurd]

“I wonder what he will do if an eagle attacks him?” I would add to this drone the “Signal from the cars of the Baku auto hooligans” in order to peacefully disperse If he doesn't understand, then your version is applicable against the eagle, "first he tries to cut it off from the control (EW), if it fails, damage it with a weapon, if it doesn't work, goes to the ram."

[yfast]

But he will not confuse him with a civilian aircraft? And then, no matter how worse it was with a ram.

[Grazdanin]

Are there any links to materials on this drone?

[rotfuks]

This technology is good if the drone is launched from a desert area from a dugout and is controlled by the operator in real time. But now the drones fly along a pre-programmed trajectory and the control point is simply absent there. And if the drone is controlled from a control point located on the plane? Aircraft detection and guidance complex type AWACS for this is very often used. Then what, AWACS to shoot down?

[Cowbra]

Wild people. Space exploration is required for this! And yet, the simplest drone is not controlled, it flies along a given trajectory. Sculpted))) Sitting on the ground by the "Triangulation method" will calculate the location of the antenna, assuring everyone that the antenna is the operator)))

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

having noticed the RQ-4 Global Hawk, with 100% probability we can say that the operator is ... somewhere in the USA ... :))

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

having noticed the RQ-4 Global Hawk, with 100% probability we can say that the operator is ... somewhere in the USA ... :))

Pffff ... this is from documents for Congress and the Senate. And then suddenly it turns out that, as part of the military budget, drones are outsourced to Indians.

[alexmach]

But specifically this bird, both because of its cost and its tasks, can very well fly without an operator, why does it even need an operator?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

The key to finding them is the flight path of the drone.

Deep thought.

Instead of fighting a flock of small drones in emergency mode, it is enough to calculate the location of the control point and destroy the operator.

Better yet, return to the past and destroy the ancestor of the operator. Or the inventor of the UAV. Or the inventor of the plane. Or a radio. And to be sure for sure, you can dunk the villain that he invented - after his invention people had too much free time and energy for all sorts of dirty tricks.

[Kostadinov]

A very good and healthy idea, but only against remote-controlled drones.

[Allex]

Well duck is not a sensation!

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

Quote: tikhonov66

... the researchers taught the deep neural network (DNN) to indicate the location of UAV operators using only the trajectory of their movement ...

- from the point of view of physics - complete insanity.
Unless you assume that the drone starts flying at the point of location of its operator ...
Then - if a UAV take-off point is determined - then no neural network is needed! Love at the take-off point - and that’s it.
- well, and if the take-off point could not be established, then no depth of the neural network will be enough, because the operator of the UAV has the "depth of the neural network" - all the same will be MORE.
8-))
- took off and (if the range permits) - at a height of 5 meters "crawled" perpendicular to the director "to the target". Then he got up - and forward. And here - any neural network - will be powerless.

During the tests, the model was able to predict the location of the operator with an accuracy of 78%

- here, finally - WHAT ABOUT ?!
How can "accuracy (!) Of position prediction" - that is, you have to understand - TWO-DIMENSIONAL (!) COORDINATES to indicate ... IN PERCENTAGE? !!!
- and what is - vaasche - "prediction (!) location" ?!
Could it be that a "deep neural network" - supposed that the UAV operator IS DREAMED (!) In the process of UAV control - and it is necessary to solve the PREDICTION problem (!) - where that operator will "dash" at an arbitrary specified moment in the FUTURE ?!
- Das fantastish! - insanity grew stronger ...
8 - ((

Also, drones can take off in a completely different place from where the operator is. And the transmitter may not be where the operator is. But then "new technologies" - crowed, and then even the sun does not rise.

[su25]

I think that any modern electronic warfare system will be more effective than a guessing game with a search for operators. Moreover, it can affect the whole "swarm" at once.

[doubovitski]

Quote: su25

I think that any modern electronic warfare system will be more effective than a guessing game with a search for operators. Moreover, it can affect the whole "swarm" at once.

The threat of the death of the operator himself creates a completely different psychological situation. It’s one thing, not hiding, and not being afraid, alternating control with smoking a cigarette and a cup of coffee, and when you realize that at any moment something will hit your head on the head ... It's like at the front when you are waiting for a sniper shot.

[doubovitski]

And who said that multiple signals from one place interfere with accurate direction finding? They help. The only thing that needs to be taken into account is multiple reflections from objects surrounding the transmitter that create various echoes. But the multi-frequency signals that can be analyzed by technology do not distort, but supplement the data. They behave differently. And they create different echo pictures.