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MC-21 certification is delayed due to restrictions on foreigners

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According to Industry Minister D. Manturov, the reason for the postponement of certification of the Russian MC-21 aircraft was the coronavirus pandemic. First of all, related to it restrictions on movement for foreigners.


During a pandemic, access to foreign specialists in Russia is virtually closed. It was difficult to move around the country and the Russian participants in the cooperation. Therefore, we are now receiving a certificate of the Russian type is expected around mid-2021. And a year later - European. In this case, the first commercial aircraft can be shipped to the operator at the end of 2021
- said Manturov.

At the same time, it is worth noting that the PD-14 engine, which is planned to be installed on a new airliner, managed to pass full certification in Russia, and the European one is scheduled for the end of 2022. It was then that the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) should give its “good”.

It is planned that flight tests will pass two aircraft MS-21. One of the gliders has already been assembled at the Irkutsk Aircraft Plant, and now they are assembling the layout of systems, primarily PD-14 engines. In the fourth quarter of this year, its transfer to flight tests is planned. Their completion will take place in the second quarter of 2022.

MC-21 is known to surpass its foreign counterparts in a number of indicators. MC-21-300 can carry, depending on the layout, from 165 to 211 passengers at a distance of up to 6000 km. Its maximum take-off weight is 79250 kg. In turn, the A320neo in a two-class layout can carry only 150-180 people. During test flights of the basic modification of the MC-21-300, the maximum values ​​of the following indicators were achieved: flight altitude of 12,5 thousand meters, speed of 949 kilometers per hour, flight duration of 6,2 hours. These are also better indicators than their western counterparts. Airbus Corporation about its A320neo says the following: the maximum height is not more than 11,8 thousand meters with a maximum speed of 876 km / h. The maximum flight altitude of the basic version of the Boeing 737 - 737MAX 8 - is 12,3 thousand meters, and its maximum speed is 925 kilometers per hour.

The number of orders for the MS-21 is stably kept at 175 aircraft. The number of orders under agreements of intent is 150 units.
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  1. pavelty
    pavelty 7 July 2020 16: 02 New
    -36
    How is that wing normal? optimists sucks ...
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      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 7 July 2020 16: 53 New
        0
        Everything at them rests against foreigners. We fly in our own country.

        need to read the article. Petrov will not advise bad.

        During a pandemic, access to foreign specialists in Russia is virtually closed.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 7 July 2020 17: 17 New
          -19
          Quote: c-Petrov
          Everything at them rests against foreigners. We fly in our own country.

          need to read the article. Petrov will not advise bad.

          During a pandemic, access to foreign specialists in Russia is virtually closed.

          Well, what does this mean?
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 7 July 2020 17: 26 New
            +2
            The fact that foreign systems cannot be certified even for their certificate.
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 7 July 2020 17: 30 New
              -24
              Quote: donavi49
              The fact that foreign systems cannot be certified even for their certificate.

              you must set your own, not foreign_ranny.
              The Arctic fox, how many superfluous words has been said FOR YEARS, what kind of aircraft it is, it is the PRIDE of this Putin Russia, but in reality, as is usually not ours, it is disgusting from this air company.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 7 July 2020 17: 40 New
                -18
                Quote: Bar1
                you must set your own, not foreign_ranny.

                For this, at least, there should be a comprehensive program for the development of domestic civil aviation. And where is it?
                Putinism is not capable of creation.
                1. Bar1
                  Bar1 9 July 2020 08: 29 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Quote: Bar1
                  you must set your own, not foreign_ranny.

                  For this, at least, there should be a comprehensive program for the development of domestic civil aviation. And where is it?
                  Putinism is not capable of creation.

                  Putinism is a colonial administration acting to please foreign capital and always to the detriment of the Russian people.
              2. donavi49
                donavi49 7 July 2020 18: 47 New
                11
                But no one puts it. For example, a certification and testing cycle costs 10005000 + development of another car + production = as a result, even for 500 sets, these are all-in-one platinum installations for money. Therefore, all sorts of large companies make them and sell them immediately to everyone. Everyone benefits:
                - The contingent Hamilton standard produces valves and fuel systems in the thousands, making a profit.
                - Conditional Boeing, Airbus, Irkut put a reliable and certified system with service support and logistics, without wasting money, time, without laying additional risks.
                - a passenger buys a ticket for a reasonable price, and not 8 times more expensive if you make the plane completely from scratch, laying all expenses and certifications, and most importantly wild risks and even more wild insurance in the price of the board.
              3. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 7 July 2020 19: 44 New
                +5
                Quote: Bar1
                you must set your own, not foreign_ranny.

                No problem. But at the same time, either the ticket price will fly sky high (airlines will need to beat off the sharply increased price of the plane), or the plane will be operated only in subsidized state-owned companies, without any prospect of exporting. Fully localized production rolls only for military orders, where the customer has no other options.

                And you will be the first to curse the authorities for nothing in vain spent money and inability to use world experience - they say built an expensive coffin with wings that no one buys; Well, why it was impossible to do like a Boeing - to assemble serial components from around the world from well-known manufacturers. smile
                1. Bar1
                  Bar1 7 July 2020 21: 34 New
                  -10
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  But at the same time, either the ticket price will skyrocket

                  No, if you do yours, then ALWAYS our spare parts will be cheaper than import.
                  And in addition, the cost of a product or service depends on the TARIFFS for gasoline / kerosene, the cost of land, the rental of anything, the salaries of the tops, etc. so that’s not the point.
                  How much can you TAKE our aircraft industry?
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 7 July 2020 21: 54 New
                    -7
                    Have we ever had it, our competitive aviation industry? So, we’re not ruining, but, almost for the first time, trying to build a world-class car.
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 8 July 2020 00: 06 New
                      +8
                      Quote: AU Ivanov.
                      Have we ever had it, our competitive aviation industry?

                      Of course it was - a third of the world fleet flew Soviet planes. At that time, the price of fuel was low and the efficiency of engines was not a critical condition.
                      Now the industry is being recreated from scratch. They refused carbon fiber - their production appeared.
                      They refused the components - now it is being decided on their production in Russia.
                      It is expensive .
                      And it doesn’t come out quickly.
                      But they left us no other way - we will make airplanes in domestic configuration. Maybe over time it will become our winning chip.
                    2. Bar1
                      Bar1 8 July 2020 07: 45 New
                      -5
                      Quote: AU Ivanov.
                      Have we ever had it, our competitive aviation industry? So, we’re not ruining, but, almost for the first time, trying to build a world-class car.

                      I don’t remember for the Ivanovs of kinship, I recall that there was such a USSR state that produced HUNDREDS of planes and helicopters a year, and ALL the equipment was OWN, not foreign. And the tickets were KOPEYKI, and not, as now, THOUSAND rubles.
                      1. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 8 July 2020 10: 10 New
                        -6
                        Yeah, let out. Hundreds of technically retarded planes eating kerosene, like hippo brooms. With primitive avionics, as a result of which there were 4-5 member crews. But your shit doesn't smell right? And tickets cost not so cheap: from Peter to Vladik a ticket cost 122 rubles, as I remember now - the whole salary of a young engineer. Now - 20 sput, no difference.
                      2. Bar1
                        Bar1 8 July 2020 19: 50 New
                        -4
                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        Yeah, let out.

                        Arctic fox and it’s called Ivanov, always for Russia.
            2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
              Uncle Vanya Susanin 7 July 2020 20: 06 New
              +4
              "Putin's Russia" -you've completely beguiled the shores fool
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 7 July 2020 23: 10 New
                +1
                It’s time in Russia to open dreams of enormous number of madhouses and psychiatric dispensaries - motley loonies and morons developed immeasurably.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 8 July 2020 00: 08 New
                  +1
                  The "world community" will be against - there will be no one to withdraw to protests.
                2. AlexSam
                  AlexSam 8 July 2020 07: 55 New
                  +1
                  they need all to be exported to pin.dosia, only there was, is and will be paradise on earth and there is no Putin ...
                3. Bar1
                  Bar1 8 July 2020 19: 46 New
                  -6
                  and this is said by the one who fiercely and furiously sputtered on the screen for amers on the moon. Your words are not worth a penny.
                4. Bar1
                  Bar1 8 July 2020 19: 47 New
                  -6
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  It’s time in Russia to open dreams of enormous number of madhouses and psychiatric dispensaries - motley loonies and morons developed immeasurably.

                  and this is said by the one who fiercely and furiously sputtered saliva on the screen for the amers on the moon. Your words are not worth a penny - a collaborator.
            3. NEOZ
              NEOZ 8 July 2020 10: 54 New
              0
              Quote: Bar1
              , disgusted by this aircraft.

              do not you disgust from reflection in the mirror?
  2. Fungus
    Fungus 7 July 2020 16: 51 New
    +3
    The wing is excellent. They began to do their job after the Americans throw. MC 21 is the best aircraft in the world at the moment.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 7 July 2020 17: 11 New
      +4
      AND! Unparalleled! No, of course - an airplane is badly needed for domestic airlines in order to move away from dependence, at least for flights within the country. And about the best .. Well, let's hope.
      1. Hhrist
        Hhrist 7 July 2020 17: 42 New
        -21
        Quote: 210ox
        AND! Unparalleled!

        Not having one.
        Get used to the new-old terminology.
        True, "unparalleled" in Soviet means "shit that no one else needs in the world."
        1. Cottodraton
          Cottodraton 8 July 2020 05: 58 New
          +1
          It’s about you directly. You, too, have an "unmatched bot" ... well, you understand
    2. keeper03
      keeper03 8 July 2020 23: 25 New
      0
      All feed us Wishlist! recourse Is it weak to launch a liner on domestic airlines? request Or will we say that he is the best, but he did not stand on the wing?!? am soldier
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 July 2020 16: 53 New
    12
    The wing is NORMAL, carbon fiber suppliers were REPLACED in Russian, tests were carried out! Information has long passed ...
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 7 July 2020 17: 07 New
      -18
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The wing is NORMAL, carbon fiber suppliers were REPLACED in Russian, tests were carried out! Information has long passed ...

      As a result, they did not make a single wing of their own ...
      For the third year, he went, as shown on TV, as in Ulyanovsk they began to weave wings ...
      But not one was intertwined ...
      So we are waiting for a few more years.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 7 July 2020 17: 48 New
        +6
        Quote: SovAr238A
        As a result, they did not make a single wing of their own ..

        Do not lie!!!
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 7 July 2020 19: 48 New
          -5
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Quote: SovAr238A
          As a result, they did not make a single wing of their own ..

          Do not lie!!!


          Show the article in which the Russian carbon fiber wings are shown on a assembled plane ...
          That's all.
          Do not need anything else.
          What is written, what exactly is assembled, and sent to the assembly.
          But do not "do it soon will be, etc." ..

          And all.

          In the meantime - only you are lying!
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 7 July 2020 19: 55 New
            0
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            Quote: SovAr238A
            As a result, they did not make a single wing of their own ..

            Do not lie!!!


            Show the article in which the Russian carbon fiber wings are shown on a assembled plane ...
            That's all.
            Do not need anything else.
            What is written, what exactly is assembled, and sent to the assembly.
            But do not "do it soon will be, etc." ..

            And all.

            In the meantime - only you are lying!

            https://tass.ru/ekonomika/6248945 заметка от 22 марта 19 года. Много времени прошло... Уже.
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 7 July 2020 21: 43 New
              -3
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              https://tass.ru/ekonomika/6248945


              I asked about the finished wings mounted on assembled aircraft ... and not about the first details ...

              Those. you are not able to find anything real, which is what we are talking about ...

              There are no wings! And the point.


              Though get out of my way.
              But the wings of your minuses and minuses of your fellow tribesmen. the same astonishing manuals, will not increase.
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 7 July 2020 23: 56 New
                +4
                Quote: SovAr238A
                Though get out of my way.
                But the wings of your minuses and minuses of your fellow tribesmen. the same astonishing manuals, will not increase.

                For those in an armored train. It was made 8 sets of wings, after which there were sanctions and a ban on the supply of carbon fiber. 6 aircraft were built so far ... Should I have thrown away ALL the finished wings, to please ukrootrollyak? We managed to replace, test, and are ready to produce further from our ... So is it more understandable?
              2. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 8 July 2020 08: 11 New
                0
                nonsense of adherents of bulk
      2. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 8 July 2020 08: 10 New
        0
        nonsense in all your topics
  • DPN
    DPN 7 July 2020 16: 09 New
    -4
    We are delayed, but why do the adversaries sleep peacefully?
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 7 July 2020 16: 15 New
      +6
      No one is sleeping. A similar liner in Japan - generally removed from development, Bombardier generally ended office. Wisely with competitors - everything ...
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 7 July 2020 16: 55 New
        0
        also with the superjet and its competitors (Europe, China, Japan)



      2. 5-9
        5-9 8 July 2020 10: 21 New
        0
        Which one is similar? MRJ, may peace be upon him and he was even less than Surzhik. Bombardier is now Binh ...
  • Nasrat
    Nasrat 7 July 2020 16: 20 New
    +7
    The article does not have comparisons on fuel consumption between competitors ... and there are no other "economic" characteristics ... but for operating companies this is a very significant point ... and if the plane flies higher, farther, faster, but eats and makes noise is disproportionate to competitors - the operators will refuse him ...
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 7 July 2020 16: 31 New
      +5
      In general, the higher the less you eat, and you can avoid flying at maximum, Boeing also flies 800-850, on a cruising one, at the airbase, respectively, less. Here the route already matters and the echelon congestion
      1. loki565
        loki565 7 July 2020 17: 29 New
        +5
        Actually, the higher the less you eat.

        Not quite so, Tu154 flies higher and eats more)))
    2. mark2
      mark2 7 July 2020 19: 35 New
      0
      Buy a plane and read the instructions. Everything is written there. And about the expense and about the range.
    3. bayard
      bayard 8 July 2020 00: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: Nasr
      There are no comparisons in fuel consumption between competitors ... and there are no other "economic" characteristics.

      Compared to the Boeing 737 of the latest version, in terms of fuel consumption per passenger per 1 km. flight, MS-21 is 15% more economical.
      Compared with the A-320 \ 321, the MS-21 is already 25–35% more profitable.
      These are very serious numbers. But they still need confirmation by practical operation. So far this is a comparison of tabular data. I will not give a table - I am writing from memory. Google yourself.
    4. 5-9
      5-9 8 July 2020 10: 22 New
      0
      Yes, the whole trinity (737, 320, MS-21) +/- 5% by TTX ... ours seems to be a little better.
  • snucerist
    snucerist 7 July 2020 16: 22 New
    -24
    And why is this news? With such a title?
    The fact that another miracle in the world has been created in a miracle does not surprise anyone.
    But what does certification with foreign specialists have to do with it?
    If at the moment only one of the gliders is assembled and everything else is being installed? And only in the fourth quarter of this year is it planned to be transferred to flight tests? Their completion will take place in the second quarter of 2022.
    What kind of certification delay can we talk about today?
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 7 July 2020 16: 34 New
      12
      Without European certification, it is needed only domestically, and to remind you that more than 1 million people flew from Europe only in March. Tourists damn it.
      All the same, this plane should provide flights for our companies, and nowhere without Europe.
      By the way, to fly to Asia, that certificate is needed, European.
      1. snucerist
        snucerist 7 July 2020 16: 56 New
        -18
        So what to certify if the car has not even started flight tests ???
        Think about the meaning of the title!
        What can be certified today? Paper TTX?
        1. Red Dragon
          Red Dragon 7 July 2020 17: 03 New
          15
          The machine has been in flight tests since 2017. You are confusing something winked
          1. snucerist
            snucerist 7 July 2020 18: 58 New
            -12
            I just read very carefully not only the title, but the article itself.
            And then I try to understand its meaning. Direct Quote:
            “It is planned that two MS-21 aircraft will undergo flight tests. One of the airframes has already been assembled at the Irkutsk aircraft plant and installation of systems, primarily PD-14 engines, is underway. It is planned to be transferred to flight tests in the fourth quarter of this year. Their completion will be held in the second quarter of 2022. "
            What to certify TODAY ???
            Foreign specialists?
        2. avg
          avg 7 July 2020 17: 37 New
          10
          The tests will be carried out on machines with PD-14. It is assumed that the operating costs of PD-14 will be lower by 14-17% than with existing similar engines, and the life cycle cost is lower by 15-20%. (Previously, flight tests with the PW1400G engine of the Canadian company Pratt & Whitney.)
          1. Red Dragon
            Red Dragon 7 July 2020 18: 09 New
            -2
            From the article it is difficult to understand what kind of delay is being said. I understand that about the option with Pratt and Whitney engines. winked
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 7 July 2020 22: 23 New
        -2
        Quote: K-612-O
        Without European certification, it is needed only domestically, and to remind you that more than 1 million people flew from Europe only in March. Tourists damn it.

        A wedge of light on European certificates did not converge? Engage on domestic lines, and how the virus will end, certify anything from tourists from Europe. In short, it smells like another excuse. I’m waiting for a guy from the Far East, it seems that he will fly on a Boeing, as usual, in recent years.
  • slipped
    slipped 7 July 2020 16: 23 New
    +7
    Side painting

  • Courier
    Courier 7 July 2020 16: 24 New
    +1
    Unfortunately, civil aviation will be restored to the levels of 5 for another 2019 years.
  • askort154
    askort154 7 July 2020 16: 42 New
    +4
    It seems that the author of the article entered the topic of aviation for the first time. As the saying goes, the first pancake is lumpy. Only this “com” is difficult for a professional to master. Sheer naivete, hung with incompetent numbers of flight technical data, voiced by him types of aircraft.
  • mvg
    mvg 7 July 2020 16: 43 New
    +1
    What difference does it make for a passenger to fly 10 thousand meters or 11 thousand? What is needed is not maximum speed, but cruising. Need fuel consumption in an economical mode, motor resources, services at airports. Trim and cost of the aircraft. If only Russia, it’s hard. And how much imported on board? There, like, alien avionics.
    And then there is the C919 and Embriere, China and Brazilians in this class. And those performance characteristics that are in the article are not even of interest to the military. Pushed to the market to return
    1. 5-9
      5-9 8 July 2020 10: 25 New
      +1
      In this class, 737MAX and 320neo .... well, and C919. Like no one else
      1. mvg
        mvg 8 July 2020 14: 24 New
        0
        Like no one else

        In January of this year, Boeing bought Embraer. Actually, C919 ~ $ 60 million, MS-21 ~ $ 90 million, west $ 110-115 million. Who will they buy? Boeing 40 aircraft per month.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 7 July 2020 16: 54 New
    -6
    TU, IL, AN, YAK, BE - 5 aviation scientific and production associations, each of which created world-class aircraft. The large market of the USSR was closed, and even built for export.
    Someone is still vilifying the USSR, and now ... They cannot create one project themselves, in cooperation with foreigners, and then sanctions ... and that’s all ....
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 7 July 2020 17: 30 New
      +9
      With the world level is very controversial. Rather, until the 70s they were at the level, and then they began to stagnate. They slept wide-body, slept through automation, slept through fuel efficiency. As a result, by the mid-70s, in fact, even in the top three countries were not leaders.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 7 July 2020 18: 43 New
        -6
        even in the top three countries were not.

        Come on...
        But now in the top three ....
        Built on a hundred boards per year. Tens of millions flew across the country and abroad. And now? Some ancient Boeing and Airbuses fly around the country. The entire Great Soviet Aviation Industry was killed.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 July 2020 19: 51 New
          +1
          And now all that Soviet planes do not answer is because the economy is now market in which profitability during operation is a decisive factor.
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 7 July 2020 20: 40 New
          +7
          A hundred boards per year is not an indicator. Especially if you look at competitors.
          Now they fly more than in the USSR, but on foreign cars and on different airlines, and not on one state one.
          Ancient Boeing and Airbuses fly only in third-rate AKs that balance on the brink of bankruptcy. The Reds (Nordwind) are less than 10 years old. The greens (S7) have 8 years. In Victory in general, the novice only flies.


          The great Soviet industry did not fall into any trend after the mid-60s. And in the 70s, a backward movement generally began. Technology, approaches, and more decides. And not riveting Tu-124/134/154 / Il18 / 62 according to the plan. As a result, when in the West they flew in triples and carried out certification for deuces, in the USSR the flight crew was 5 people. When in the west they began to make airbus and MD and other wide-body, in the USSR they considered this a bourgeois excess, rejecting all projects in favor of building up the plan. When they caught on with Il-86, the train was already leaving for the next generation, which in the 2000s completely killed all 4-engine passenger aircraft.
  • Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 7 July 2020 17: 01 New
    +3
    Cool plane. Another X-32 to add, and generally cool
  • bar
    bar 7 July 2020 17: 15 New
    -8
    Therefore, we are now receiving a certificate of the Russian type is expected around mid-2021.

    Those. is it impossible to fly in Russia without foreign approval? Interesting movie. Did you also get permission from the adversaries for the old TUSHKS?
    1. Hhrist
      Hhrist 7 July 2020 17: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: bar
      Did you also get permission from the adversaries for the old TUSHKS?

      If for flights abroad, then received.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 7 July 2020 17: 33 New
      +2
      It is impossible to conduct certification tests without the participation of company representatives. And there are 35-40% of foreign komplektuhi.
    3. loki565
      loki565 7 July 2020 17: 39 New
      +6
      To fly to Europe? Yes, they received, and many were wrapped in noise (Tu-134, Il-62, Il-86 and Il-76)
  • iouris
    iouris 7 July 2020 17: 19 New
    -1
    If the memory serves, the results of the confirmation of compliance of vehicles with the UNECE Regulations are recognized in any UNECE member state. The results of the certification of aircraft conducted in the Russian Federation, "colleagues" do not recognize. This is addiction and unequal "cooperation." Coronavirus restrictions can be introduced forever.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 7 July 2020 17: 38 New
    -2
    Why compare seats with the A320? Let it fly, earn a reputation.
  • 23424636
    23424636 7 July 2020 17: 45 New
    -2
    Dima Badminton, before his discharge, allowed Manturov to buy 74 mid-range airplanes from Airbus and Boeing. And there are considerable kickbacks and other beggars, and why do these guys need MC-21. If according to Stalin, then this Manturov had to be put to the wall for damage to the country. But here the slogan is different - the cache is above all.
    1. Hhrist
      Hhrist 7 July 2020 17: 52 New
      -14
      Quote: 23424636
      allowed Manturov to purchase 74 mid-range airplanes from Airbus and Boeing. and there are considerable kickbacks and other beggars, and why do these guys need MC-21.

      You are talking nonsense.
      They did not know how to build airplanes in the USSR.
      And in the Russian Federation do not know how. Therefore, until you learn (if you still learn) what to fly on? On flying Soviet coffins?
      So kerosene is now not free, as it was for Aeroflot in the USSR.
      And without free kerosene, “Soviet planes” (these are not real planes, these are ersatz planes) no one needs.
      1. sevryuk
        sevryuk 7 July 2020 18: 17 New
        +2
        You have to say "Ku!" and blow the bells into the nostrils. And so, compare how many people flew on the "coffins" before 1990, and how many are now on the racially correct Boeing and Airbus.
        1. Hhrist
          Hhrist 7 July 2020 18: 21 New
          -11
          Quote: sevryuk
          You have to say "Ku!" and blow the bells into the nostrils.

          All in your hands. Take action.
          Quote: sevryuk
          And so, compare how many people flew on the "coffins" before 1990, and how many are now on the racially correct Boeing and Airbus.

          Who cares?
          It is important that the planes (real) are planes.
          And “Soviet planes” are “Soviet planes”.
          Both fly. Only in different ways.
          From the ability to fly normally, everyone needs aircraft. But “Soviet planes”, from the Inability to do this, after the collapse of the USSR, no one needed them.
          Herein lies their fundamental difference.
          1. sevryuk
            sevryuk 7 July 2020 18: 31 New
            +8
            All aircraft with wings, motors and pilots are real aircraft. Soviet aircraft fully met these criteria. The issue of profitability existed, but if the alternative is to be completely without planes after the next sanctions (like Iran), then okay. But in the case of the MS-21, it is about becoming more economical than airplanes from countries where people live "with bright faces" and where "shining city on the hills."
            In my opinion, an interesting task.
            1. Hhrist
              Hhrist 7 July 2020 19: 18 New
              -9
              Quote: sevryuk
              All aircraft with wings, motors and pilots are real aircraft.

              Nifiga.
              Just as Porsche is different from Constipation, so is Boeing different from Tu.
              Quote: sevryuk
              but if the alternative is to be completely without planes after the next sanctions (like Iran),

              Nefig was around the world to not allow normal people to live. The evil empire, it was very accurately said about him.
              Quote: sevryuk
              But in the case of the MS-21, it is about becoming more economical than airplanes from countries where people live "with bright faces" and where "shining city on the hills."

              Even the statement of such a problem is ridiculous.
              After the SSJ100, you should at least not make the mistakes that exist in SSJ.
              A SSJ is a corpse. After Shermet, he has no future. There, all of his "charms" the world saw close-up. Constructors, crank, damn it.
              Quote: sevryuk
              In my opinion, an interesting task.

              Unrealizable in principle.
              1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                Uncle Vanya Susanin 7 July 2020 20: 18 New
                +4
                "And SSJ is a corpse. After Shermety, he has no future. There, the world saw all of his" charms "in close-up. Krivoruchki constructors, damn it."
                And here it is possible in more detail, what do the designers have to do with it, when there the pilots, when landing, managed to double-beat the plane about the runway !?
              2. Cottodraton
                Cottodraton 8 July 2020 06: 05 New
                -2
                Ssj did the whole world. This is an international project. There is a big question, who is the "designer-krivoruchka", Mr. "who does not have Analogs"
    2. iouris
      iouris 7 July 2020 23: 05 New
      -1
      Quote: 23424636
      ... this Manturov was necessary ...

      Manturov is not a surname, this is a position.
  • yoshkovoleg
    yoshkovoleg 7 July 2020 17: 52 New
    -9
    It is clear: one more reason was sucked out of the finger, so as not to bring to production ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 July 2020 19: 54 New
      +3
      It is already being produced for flight tests and firm orders are available.
      1. Liam
        Liam 7 July 2020 20: 06 New
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        firm orders are available.

        From whom?
  • Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 7 July 2020 18: 29 New
    0
    Our western "partners" always wish us well))
  • Nikolay87
    Nikolay87 7 July 2020 18: 35 New
    -4
    I, for other reasons, believe in its superiority over analogues, only after it is certified, the normal number is riveted and it flies stably for 5 years. Until then, he is on the list of everything else with a hashtag that has no analogues in the world hi
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 7 July 2020 19: 53 New
    +3
    During a pandemic, access to foreign specialists in Russia is virtually closed. It was difficult to move around the country and the Russian participants in the cooperation. Therefore, we are now receiving a certificate of the Russian type is expected around mid-2021.

    The familiar picture. So we sat down with a certificate for the elevator: the manufacturer of the elevators shipped, promised a new certificate ... and then sent a letter that the representatives of the certification body are not allowed out of the Russian Federation, and without their personal visit to the factory, none of the certification officers will draw up anything, because they don’t want to fall under the ax-head. The old certificate ended in March, but there is no new one in the near future. smile
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 7 July 2020 21: 35 New
      -2
      There is always something to the bad dancer, but it hinders .... Won the Boeing who accumulated in warehouses, “disgraced” 737 and gives it almost for free, if only they would take ... What, here, MS or SSJ ....
      1. 5-9
        5-9 8 July 2020 10: 28 New
        +1
        Are there organizers of mass deaths who are ready to take them and mass suicides ready to buy tickets for this flying coffin?
  • borys
    borys 7 July 2020 20: 21 New
    +2
    Comrade Hhrist belongs to that category of citizens, for
    which everything Western is always better than Soviet / Russian.
    Just because it is western. But take and compare
    over the whole range of parameters. These parameters on
    really a lot - cost, reliability,
    maintenance costs, loading of their enterprises
    (a large number of enterprises), their employment
    workers, engineers, designers in many high-tech
    major industries and much more.
    By the way, fuel efficiency in this list on
    actually not such an important parameter as about it
    They say in advertising. Oil in Russia is its own and there is a lot of it.
    If you think carefully, it will become clear that the West
    significant aircraft purchased for currency, significant
    part of which comes from the sale of this very oil
    and other natural resources. Still need to calculate which
    part of the cost of the total cost of the life cycle
    aircraft make up the cost of the actual fuel,
    and how much does the aircraft cost and its maintenance costs
    living and training of flight personnel abroad.
    Surely it turns out that the production and operation
    own equipment will be much cheaper
    purchase and operation of imported equipment.
  • Old26
    Old26 7 July 2020 21: 27 New
    +3
    Quote: Imperial Technocrat
    Cool plane. Another X-32 to add, and generally cool

    They did not try to think with brains, the "technocrat" sofa ???
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 July 2020 23: 14 New
      +2
      At its base, a good anti-submarine aircraft in the future can come out.
  • Wolf
    Wolf 7 July 2020 21: 54 New
    +3
    TTX comparation for civil aircraft is out of date! It is necessary to add fuel costs per passenger, and the cost of those services, as well as the cycle times of those services. A wonderful liner, and you need to quickly go to market, in 2021 with PD 14 engines.