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Estonia will supply Ukraine Makarov pistols to fight the "pro-Russian separatists"

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Estonia will supply Ukraine Makarov pistols to fight the "pro-Russian separatists"

Tallinn will supply Kiev with a batch of Makarov pistols (PM) for "the fight against pro-Russian separatists in the Donbass." This was announced today, July 7, by the Minister of National Defense of Estonia, Yuri Luik.


According to the head of the Estonian military department, about 2,4 thousand Makarov pistols (PM) will enter the party. All weapon will be deployed by Ukrainian troops in the Donbass for use against "pro-Russian separatists." Delivery is at the request of the Ukrainian side.

We deliver this support to our allies, who have been at war for six years

- said the Estonian Minister of Defense.

At the same time, it is explained that Makarov’s pistols are no longer used in the Estonian army for a long time, since they do not correspond to the standard caliber of small arms of NATO countries. Most likely, the guns will be taken from long-term storage. However, in Tallinn it was emphasized that for the Ukrainian army PM, "without any doubt, will become an important component in equipping Ukrainians with weapons."

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine announced the transition of the Ukrainian armed forces to NATO standards, including Western-style weapons. All this is done with the goal of "confronting Russia."
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  1. Insurgent
    Insurgent 7 July 2020 15: 51 New
    21
    According to the head of the Estonian military department, the party will include about 2,4 thousand Makarov pistols (PM). All weapons will be sent to Ukrainian servicemen in Donbass for use against "pro-Russian separatists."


    So that they, dogs, drunk each other and shoot yes .
  2. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 7 July 2020 15: 54 New
    16
    Gossipidya ..... That Estonia is an enraged dwarf, that Ukraine is a misunderstanding .... But everything has a global meaning. something tells me that in Ukraine the Makarychs have in store for another 100 years. All Bandera podgryukivatel will have enough "to shoot themselves" and suddenly the deal of the century is direct. In this case, from my point of view, a corruption component is seen. Well, ukrovoyaks cannot buy anything without a privarochka .... Moreover, there is some reason - a fight, right, with the separatists .... Bortsuny, forgive the state ...
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 7 July 2020 16: 00 New
      12
      This is just the beginning of the pack. The fact is that the only thing that really happened after the collapse of the USSR in the outskirts was the launch of a series of Fort pistols, about which they all howled in chorus that they were incomparably better (which, hey, is somewhat different even in terms of build quality). And then we’ll fuck you - on you, Ukraine, Bosyatskiy’s fit - a gun of the middle of the last century, otherwise you don’t have anything laughing And from the dwarf
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 7 July 2020 17: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: KOT BYUN
      something tells me that in Ukraine Makarychev is still in reserve for 100 years.

      Probably everything is already empty, not for nothing that the warehouses were burning. Probably part of it was sold to Africa, part of the bandits, part of it was stolen in reserve. They can’t let out their own.
      1. CAT BAIYUN
        CAT BAIYUN 7 July 2020 18: 39 New
        0
        It cannot be ruled out that everything was sold ... But, back in 13, I out of the corner of my eye saw the utilization of military property near Kharkov. He visited with a friend. Really ..... cavalry drafts, harness, saddles ..... What was there! So, personally, I don’t believe something in the complete absence of the Makarychs. But in a comment from above it was correctly noted:
        that the only thing that really happened at the outskirts after the collapse of the USSR was to launch a series - Fort pistols, about which they all howled in chorus,

        A question in this connection: and WHERE IS OWN? request
        Well, I didn’t verb about the presence of veracity in statements about motivation of body movements of ukrobortsuns and hot Estonian guys.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 7 July 2020 18: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: KOT BYUN
          But, back in 13, I out of the corner of my eye saw the utilization of military property near Kharkov.

          Before that, there were warehouses with German weapons of the WWII, they were also disposed of, but that was before all the Maidans, and so now Banderas with MP-38/40 and Mauser 98k would run around.
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 17 July 2020 02: 25 New
            0
            Both - got it! ZVO what is it - and where are the warehouses? Forget about the Mousers, tell about the teaching staff, or do you understand yourself ?!
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 17 July 2020 08: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: Cowbra
              Both - got it! ZVO what is it - and where are the warehouses?

              Near Slavyansk in the former salt mines.
              1. Cowbra
                Cowbra 17 July 2020 09: 14 New
                0
                O. Knows Camping
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 7 July 2020 20: 27 New
      +1
      Problems with ammunition for PM were in the 90s, part of the militia had to arm TT, but then everything worked out. They even made a new pistol for PM, although it is no better than the "Makara", but that doesn't matter - the money is already bye-bye.
  3. Livonetc
    Livonetc 7 July 2020 15: 59 New
    +6
    The goods on the black market are undercarriage.
    You can continue to sell in small batches
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 7 July 2020 17: 20 New
      -1
      Exactly, everything will come up in Europe. Ukraine has long been the number 1 provider to European criminals. Yes, in the cellars of European mosques some will settle ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 July 2020 17: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Tank jacket
        Exactly, everything will come up in Europe. Ukraine has long been the number 1 provider to European criminals. Yes, in the cellars of European mosques some will settle ...

        This is definitely a PM very popular item.
        1. L-39NG
          L-39NG 10 July 2020 14: 07 New
          -1
          Makarov? In modern world? Better a board, well, maybe a board with a nail and splinters.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 10 July 2020 14: 32 New
            0
            Quote: L-39NG
            Makarov? In modern world? Better a board, well, maybe a board with a nail and splinters.

            Well, you guys are stuck, give you a Glock. In the 90s, and "Nagan" was for happiness.
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 7 July 2020 20: 28 New
      0
      You can buy anything you want on the black market for Banderland. But "Makar" is not very popular, so-so pistol.
  4. Eldorado
    Eldorado 7 July 2020 15: 59 New
    +4
    Do the APUs have their own? Completely all sold or what? request
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 7 July 2020 16: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: El Dorado
      Do the APUs have their own? Completely all sold or what? request

      Separatists selected (
      1. Eldorado
        Eldorado 7 July 2020 17: 15 New
        +1
        Separatists selected ([/ quote]
        Probably, the warehouse with them "accidentally" burned down))
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 July 2020 17: 44 New
        0
        Quote: 1976AG
        Separatists selected

        Themselves for a three-liter jar gave vodka. Although you need to ask the Insurgent, maybe I exaggerated.
    2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 July 2020 01: 28 New
      0
      Quote: El Dorado
      Do the APUs have their own? Completely all sold or what?

      Judging by their news, today they have only a cleaning lady from a general store without a "premium" trunk from Avakov, she still walks - the rest of the cogs of the state machine are already under the volynes. Here's another "expense item" for Soviet weapons stockpiles.
      1. Eldorado
        Eldorado 8 July 2020 13: 56 New
        0
        Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Quote: El Dorado
        Do the APUs have their own? Completely all sold or what?

        Judging by their news, today they have only a cleaning lady from a general store without a "premium" trunk from Avakov, she still walks - the rest of the cogs of the state machine are already under the volynes. Here's another "expense item" for Soviet weapons stockpiles.

        General store cleaning lady with American Javelin fellow
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 July 2020 14: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: El Dorado
      Do the APUs have their own? Completely all sold or what?

      Probably fell into the "black hole".
      1. Eldorado
        Eldorado 10 July 2020 15: 19 New
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: El Dorado
        Do the APUs have their own? Completely all sold or what?

        Probably fell into the "black hole".

        Are you a racist ?! They failed in the black hole, you know! Not in black, but in yellow-black!
  5. Quadro
    Quadro 7 July 2020 16: 03 New
    +2
    And why the hell? To shoot the myrrh near the wall? Like igloids, a gun in the back of the head and a bullet. I learn from my brothers, I remember how recklessly they rejoiced over the blown up plane over Egypt and how they supported the igiloids in order to kill more of them.
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 7 July 2020 22: 30 New
      0
      Quote: Quadro
      And why the hell? To shoot the myrrh near the wall?

      Maybe. And presented as "separatist atrocities."
      The amount is just super-redundant.
    2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 July 2020 01: 30 New
      0
      Quote: Quadro
      To shoot the myrrh near the wall?

      There are revolvers needed. So that the shells are not dug up later.
  6. faterdom
    faterdom 7 July 2020 16: 04 New
    +1
    Separatists (from the tank): "Wai, bayus-bayus!"
  7. tuts
    tuts 7 July 2020 16: 05 New
    +5
    left Mosin rifles, sorry of course put Mauser 98k and then it’s sure that it will come
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 7 July 2020 16: 11 New
      +5
      Only Berdan, only hardcore! And muzzle-loading guns. Although no, guns are not necessary - Maidan catapults are riveted
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 7 July 2020 21: 33 New
        +2
        And muzzle-loading guns. Although no, guns are not necessary - Maidan catapults are riveted
        How is it not necessary? Well, they dream of acquiring nuclear weapons! laughing
  8. Evdokim
    Evdokim 7 July 2020 16: 06 New
    18
    Tallinn will supply Kiev with a batch of Makarov pistols (PM) to "fight against pro-Russian separatists in Donbass."
    the party will include about 2,4 thousand pistols Makarov (PM).

    As an economist, I’ll tell you a terrible secret. On the Ukrainian and European black arms market, a fall in the price of Makarov pistols and an increase in the price of cartridges for him are expected. bully
  9. Prisoner
    Prisoner 7 July 2020 16: 11 New
    +1
    In order to self-shoot chi sho? E-e-e-oo-o-o-o-o-n-n men are not without humor.
  10. RoTTor
    RoTTor 7 July 2020 16: 16 New
    -1
    SELL as antiques - at inflated prices.
    For museums: there are no cartridge factories in Ukraine
    1. Zeev zeev
      Zeev zeev 7 July 2020 16: 22 New
      -2
      Ukrainians say the opposite:
      "At the Vinnitsa plant Fort, which is part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, a line has been launched on which bullets and casings for 9x18mm (Makarov) and 9x19mm (Luger) cartridges are produced in a closed cycle," the Ministry of Internal Affairs reported.

      The line will make it possible to produce up to 14 million cartridges per year. Its launch cost UAH 69 million. "
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 7 July 2020 17: 48 New
      0
      Quote: RoTTor
      For museums: there are no cartridge factories in Ukraine

      There are no museums in Ukraine, the PM's echoes pushed, and the cartridges will be sold at 10 euros apiece.
  11. Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 July 2020 16: 37 New
    +1
    And where did banderlogs drop their reserves of PMs? Are they really broke up?
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 7 July 2020 16: 41 New
      +2
      Sold through Voentorg
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 7 July 2020 16: 42 New
        0
        How much for the trunk? lol
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 7 July 2020 16: 43 New
          +2
          If with a hangover, then about a liter.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 7 July 2020 17: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Ros 56
          How much for the trunk?

          Do not offer dollars, only liquid currency.
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 7 July 2020 17: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Ros 56
      And where did banderlogs drop their reserves of PMs? Are they really broke up?

      everyone is missing. What kind of babosy do not. And banderlogov’s hands are crooked, or Estonian pistols with a crooked barrel, specially shoot from around the corner. recourse
      In childhood there was a book about a fascist with a filthy pistol, with a crooked muzzle. From which he shot in the back of a soldier Ivan in Berlin. repeat
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 7 July 2020 16: 54 New
    +1
    Switch to NATO standards and accept Soviet weapons as a gift?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 7 July 2020 17: 52 New
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      Switch to NATO standards and accept Soviet weapons as a gift?

      They don't look a gift horse in the mouth, what are the standards, "freebie pliz".
    2. Rzzz
      Rzzz 7 July 2020 18: 55 New
      0
      Well, "to understand as a gift" is also a NATO standard. True, then usually you have to pay money for such gifts in some indirect way.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 8 July 2020 08: 55 New
        0
        Quote: rzzz
        Well, "to understand as a gift" is also a NATO standard.

        good good good
  13. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 7 July 2020 17: 05 New
    0
    Ay-yay-yay, supplying Makarov pistols is so shameful for Estonia, because the pistol is Russian. And you need something Estonian. For example, a slingshot "Great Tallinn" or a bow with arrows from a purely Estonian tree. The separatists will be afraid of Ukrainian soldiers with Estonian bows.
  14. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 7 July 2020 17: 19 New
    0
    Estonia will supply Ukraine Makarov pistols to fight the "pro-Russian separatists"
    No, not right. Russia will supply Makarov pistols to Estonia to fight Estonian Nazis. That's right.
  15. svp67
    svp67 7 July 2020 17: 20 New
    0
    To have huge stocks of weapons on its territory and receive such "handouts" ... Yes, it's not funny.
  16. iouris
    iouris 7 July 2020 17: 22 New
    0
    Yeltsin "crushed the communist monster", left this weapon and reported on the work done to the White House.
  17. Hhrist
    Hhrist 7 July 2020 17: 26 New
    -2
    Estonia will supply Ukraine Makarov pistols to fight the "pro-Russian separatists"

    For the PM army categorically is not suitable, since it is a police pistol. And to kill them someone (except himself), it is still necessary to try.
    1. impostor
      impostor 7 July 2020 17: 41 New
      +2
      It all depends on the hands (where they grow from). In the words of the janitor Tikhon, to whom the bride mare was. The weapon is excellent, it proved itself. In its niche, an indispensable thing.
      1. Hhrist
        Hhrist 7 July 2020 17: 45 New
        -1
        Quote: impostor
        It all depends on the hands (where they grow from).

        And here are the hands?
        Do you even know how army (killing) weapons "work"?
        And how does it differ from other types of weapons? From the same cop as PM?
        Quote: impostor
        The weapon is excellent, it proved itself. In its niche, an indispensable thing.

        Only this niche, the police.
        And the police have other goals and objectives. Not like the military.
        1. impostor
          impostor 7 July 2020 17: 58 New
          0
          My dear, if 9x18 does not give you the opportunity to rid yourself of the world, then higher pulse cartridges are unlikely to help you ...
          1. Hhrist
            Hhrist 7 July 2020 18: 11 New
            -3
            Quote: impostor
            My dear, if 9x18 does not give you the opportunity to rid yourself of the world

            Well, okay.
            Another lame, but knowing nothing boots.
            1. impostor
              impostor 7 July 2020 18: 31 New
              +2
              Tearing up, honey? That's good. And now, honey, count it up - you came to my trench and got 9 SP7 GJ in turnips. If you don’t have k6-3 on your turnip (and you don’t have it, because you lie with it about 500 meters before the trench), then your mother will not be able to open zinc with your body, because instead of a nape you will have the Universe. Truncated, honey?
              1. Hhrist
                Hhrist 7 July 2020 18: 53 New
                -1
                some. Probably the boyar had already pumped up as usual and "went to the Runet to communicate."
                Such cretins in RuNet, more than enough.
        2. ssergey1978
          ssergey1978 7 July 2020 18: 20 New
          +1
          I can list the mass of pistols and revolvers that were in service in a number of countries of equal power or a weakening PM. In Yugoslavia, for example, PM was produced for the army in caliber 9x17 mm
          1. Hhrist
            Hhrist 7 July 2020 18: 27 New
            -4
            Quote: ssergey1978
            I can list the mass of pistols and revolvers that were in service in a number of countries of equal power or a weakening PM.

            It is not only and not so much the power.
            The ratio caliber-power matters.
            Further, in the army of THREE different classes of pistols. For different consumers.
            Quote: ssergey1978
            In Yugoslavia, for example, PM was produced for the army in caliber 9x17 mm

            "PM in caliber 9x17 mm" does not exist. This is another gun.
            Strongly different.
            And by the way, nothing good. Although the attempt is very reasonable and interesting for such a country. There are no weapons designers there and never will be.
            To make a good army pistol is impossible for the south. As, by the way, and the USSR / RF. No constructors.
            1. ssergey1978
              ssergey1978 7 July 2020 18: 30 New
              +1
              Is IZH-71 another gun too?
              1. Hhrist
                Hhrist 7 July 2020 18: 51 New
                -5
                Quote: ssergey1978
                Is IZH-71 another gun too?

                Also. Something like Yugovsky.
                Neither in the USSR nor in the RF could they create good weapons chambered for 9x18 mm.
                No frames. But you can’t get far at pontoons.
                1. ssergey1978
                  ssergey1978 7 July 2020 19: 07 New
                  +1
                  which also? IZH-71 is a PM chambered for 9x17 which, as you say, is not.
                  1. Hhrist
                    Hhrist 7 July 2020 20: 00 New
                    -2
                    Quote: ssergey1978
                    which also?

                    Nothing. Mixed up.
                    Quote: ssergey1978
                    Is IZH-71 another gun too?

                    I am not familiar with all sorts of funny farts.
                    IZH-71 is exactly a funny little thing. 240 joules and no penetration. Good for civilian weapons.
                    1. ssergey1978
                      ssergey1978 7 July 2020 20: 07 New
                      +1
                      It is funny for you because you do not use weapons and have not seen its effect. PM is a good gun and there are no complaints about its effectiveness in people using it.
            2. ssergey1978
              ssergey1978 7 July 2020 18: 32 New
              +1
              The effectiveness of the PM at a distance of 8 meters is not inferior to a pistol chambered for 9x19 mm
              1. Hhrist
                Hhrist 7 July 2020 18: 49 New
                -3
                Quote: ssergey1978
                The effectiveness of the PM at a distance of 8 meters is not inferior to a pistol chambered for 9x19 mm

                DEP (effective damage range) PM is 0 (zero) meters. For a police pistol, this is great. For the army, no good at all. And by DEP and by penetration, which is about zero.
                1. ssergey1978
                  ssergey1978 7 July 2020 19: 09 New
                  0
                  At a distance of 45 meters, the energy of the PM bullet is 250 J
                  1. Hhrist
                    Hhrist 7 July 2020 19: 52 New
                    -1
                    Quote: ssergey1978
                    At a distance of 45 meters, the energy of the PM bullet is 250 J

                    I agree.
                    So what?
                    1. ssergey1978
                      ssergey1978 7 July 2020 20: 01 New
                      +2
                      Regulate a double hit for a 100% guarantee from any gun. Two hits is 500-600 J. For complete neutralization, the carcass should receive 5 JL per 1 kg of live weight. that is, the PM is guaranteed a jack of 100 kg of Maine at a distance of 45 meters.
                      1. Hhrist
                        Hhrist 7 July 2020 20: 15 New
                        -1
                        Quote: ssergey1978
                        Regulate a double hit for a 100% guarantee from any gun.

                        Hit is one thing.
                        A lethal defeat is different.
                        Quote: ssergey1978
                        Two hits is 500-600 J.

                        No no. So no one thinks.
                        The M9 has 50 m 430 J. This is what counts. Together with the characteristics of the bullet.
                        And in total, nothing is considered. The central nervous system of the enemy is struck by one blow, causing pain shock and death.
                        Quote: ssergey1978
                        For complete neutralization, the carcass should receive 5 JL per 1 kg of live weight.

                        Cool.
                        But wrong.
                        Quote: ssergey1978
                        that is, the PM is guaranteed a jack of 100 kg of Maine at a distance of 45 meters.

                        PM at a distance of 0 (zero) meters does not knock anyone if they are not affected by LRW. A bullet PM of the central nervous system does not take a person even at point blank range.
                        For police weapons, this is a great result. But for the army this is no good.
                      2. ssergey1978
                        ssergey1978 7 July 2020 20: 18 New
                        +1
                        5 J for a man, 10 for an animal is a scientific fact, but for you it’s fun, funny.
                        PM doesn’t bring anyone this pearl, it makes no sense to discuss it is nonsense.
                        The m9 has a cartridge of ohm 9x19 NATO more joules.
                      3. ssergey1978
                        ssergey1978 7 July 2020 20: 22 New
                        +1
                        When the pretzel was detained, 4 shots were made in the leg from the PM, the pretzel died from a combat shock
                      4. Skarpzd
                        Skarpzd 8 July 2020 03: 40 New
                        0
                        do not try. can't explain. now the rash of all kinds of inflated from the Internet TTX will begin and it turns out that when a bullet is fired from a distance of 5 meters with a PM, it bounces off the skin of a person and flies back into the barrel))) connoisseurs are such experts)))
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 July 2020 01: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: HHrist
    For the PM army categorically is not suitable, since it is a police pistol. And they should kill someone (except himself), it’s still necessary to try

    I’ll tell you a secret that in the army, a fight with the enemy in pistols is not provided for at all.
  • Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 7 July 2020 17: 45 New
    0
    They have these PMs, new, something around 350-400 euros cost in ormages, and used ones are even less, because. since the time of the Union, thousands have been in warehouses. Only few people buy them now.
    1. Hhrist
      Hhrist 7 July 2020 17: 49 New
      -3
      Quote: Shelest2000
      Only few people buy them now.

      Specific weapon. Few people need it in principle. But, thanks to the USSR, it is available in huge quantities in the world.
      1. Shelest2000
        Shelest2000 7 July 2020 18: 10 New
        +2
        Yes, what is the specifics ... Normal, I would even say - an excellent, civilian weapon for self-defense. It was developed as officers' self-defense weapons. And if you also tune it a little, putting the Israeli-made Fab Defense handle with a button to reset the store under your thumb, then as a civilian weapon, the SB is just fine. I watched the video with the PM shooting with such a handle - excellent reviews. And in Russia it costs only about 3,5 tr. Honestly, I would not refuse PM as a civilian weapon. But where do we live ... :(
        1. Hhrist
          Hhrist 7 July 2020 18: 16 New
          -3
          Quote: Shelest2000
          It was developed as an officer’s self-defense weapon.

          There are no such weapons in wildlife.
          There is an OFFICIAL army weapon (but it is not for line officers).
          But the PM does not pull on him, the caliber is not the same.
          This is a typical police gun. Non-lethal action, as it should be a police weapon.
          His great-image was called, Walter PP (police station).
          Quote: Shelest2000
          it’s like a civilian weapon of CO, just fine.

          Well, maybe it’s also a civil thing. Just because of his weak mortality.
          Although, for civilian weapons it will be powerful. Civilian weapons need less power.
          1. VIP
            VIP 7 July 2020 22: 08 New
            0
            Generally, it was developed as a civil service: "Baikal" is the same "PM", but weaker
          2. Finn
            Finn 7 July 2020 22: 31 New
            +1
            The gun does not have to be powerful, it is for close combat, and in close combat you need a pain shock, otherwise, after making a hole in the enemy, he can still run and harm his health.
          3. Shelest2000
            Shelest2000 8 July 2020 17: 28 New
            0
            There are no such weapons in wildlife.
            There is an OFFICIAL army weapon (but it is not for linear officerat).

            Something new laughing
            But the PM does not pull on him, the caliber is not the same.
            This is a typical police gun. Non-lethal action, as it should be a police weapon.

            In the USSR there were no police and policemen. There were police and police officers. And with low criminality, he was enough for the police. As for the army, because the times when an officer raises the attack, waving a pistol, went back to the years of World War II, with rare exceptions. PM and was developed as a personal weapon of the officer / command staff. not for the battlefield, but for self-defense in emergency situations. Well, specialists worked with him, because there were no other modern pistols. unless Stechkin. But he really has his own specifics.
            His great-image was called, Walter PP (police station).

            For a couch war I advise you to curiosity with the inner, t.s. filling both pistols. Talking about Makarov’s sluggishness with PPK is the same as arguing about Kalashnikov’s sluggishness of his machine with STG-44.
            Non-lethal action
            He has a normal lethal effect. And already stopping
            the ability of his bullet with its 300j is not worse than 9 * 19.
        2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 July 2020 01: 42 New
          0
          Quote: Shelest2000
          civil defense weapons

          Quote: Shelest2000
          tune by placing the Israeli-made Fab Defense handle with a store reset button

          Yeah. Citizens walk the streets in unloading with a dozen stores conveniently located for excavation. He shot the first one into a bad guy, quickly dropped it, thrust the second one with lightning speed, shot it off, then the third ... tenth. So, in civil self-defense, I’ll tell you, without dumping the store under the thumb, well, you can’t do anything.
          1. Shelest2000
            Shelest2000 8 July 2020 17: 41 New
            0
            Well, you know, there are situations laughing
            Just according to the comments of foreign, alas, PM owners and those who installed this pad (yes, with a store reset wassat ), the gun began to play with new colors. More convenient retention, more convenient aiming, more convenient retention of the aiming line ... Yes, and the speed of the store change has never bothered anyone.
  • grigorii
    grigorii 7 July 2020 17: 46 New
    +1
    All of these weapons will soon appear in markets around the world.
    1. Fan
      Fan 7 July 2020 18: 03 New
      0
      Quote: grigorii
      All of these weapons will soon appear in markets around the world.

      Well, not everything, but the Crimemanal of Ukraine and Russia for sure ..
  • Fan
    Fan 7 July 2020 17: 53 New
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    We deliver this support to our allies, who have been at war for six years

    These Makarovs, as I understand it, will add unwanted and then accuse them of "agents of the Kremlin"))) Well, entertainers ..
  • Gato
    Gato 7 July 2020 18: 07 New
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    It would be better if a batch of pomegranates from warehouses of very long storage. Two for each banderlog - otherwise it will not explode.
  • Well done
    Well done 7 July 2020 18: 15 New
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    And they didn’t have the Nagans? Blunderbuss?
    1. Fan
      Fan 7 July 2020 18: 18 New
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      Quote: Welldone
      And they didn’t have the Nagans? Blunderbuss?

      I won’t be surprised if Shmaserov is hustled somewhere in the warehouses in the forest .. But they are embarrassed and kept for sebe .. To carry out punitive operations ..))) They know how!
  • Alf
    Alf 7 July 2020 18: 23 New
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    However, the irony .. good
  • Doctor
    Doctor 7 July 2020 18: 50 New
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    Once again proved - there are never too many weapons. It seems like a gun of the last century, but in war it works no worse than Glock. But try to do these Glitches quickly, when necessary and how much it will cost.
  • Poetry
    Poetry 7 July 2020 19: 01 New
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    Slowly slowly the sun rises at dawn
    Sleepy Estonian wielding a finger in the nostril.
    In the local quarry, crucians barely swim
    They can not faster, no matter how you ask them.

    The local crutch slowly tapped the stone,
    Slow wind shakes the Estonian feather grass.
    The Estonian Boeing seems to hang in the clouds,
    Local flies slowly crawl on the ceilings.

    The Estonian boxer slowly beat the uppercut
    Slowly, even the local cat was licking eggs.
    I'm afraid to imagine how a tortoise crawls here,
    Slowly the puffer is played by the organ of the composer Bach.

    Someone will say that Estonians are such brakes,
    The Estonian will be against, all the rest are in favor.
    The Estonian does not have the words "immediately" and "soon",
    They live as if in slow motion.
  • Topol M
    Topol M 7 July 2020 19: 31 New
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    They’ll disperse to the bandits, as an officer I can say that this fart does not play a role during the fighting. Just let him shoot him
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky 8 July 2020 11: 34 New
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      I can say that this fart does not play a role during the fighting.

      How to play! Especially the cord with which it is fastened ... It perfectly clings to everything, leaving the owner out of the shelter at the right moment.
  • Dembel
    Dembel 7 July 2020 20: 14 New
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    Well, in fact, Ukraine has long established the production of its Fort pistols, so the supply of PM from Estonia is probably nothing more than a corrupt deal, with not sickly kickbacks to the leaders of the ukrovermacht who "help" their sprat allies who have switched to NATO standards to implement old Soviet stocks.
  • VIP
    VIP 7 July 2020 21: 59 New
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    But what about the vaunted Fort pistols? They cracked a lot, that the Fort meets all Western standards, and Glock should beware of an independent competitor.
    It’s a pity that Makara will be used against ours