Estonia will supply Ukraine Makarov pistols to fight the "pro-Russian separatists"

Tallinn will supply Kiev with a batch of Makarov pistols (PM) for "the fight against pro-Russian separatists in the Donbass." This was announced today, July 7, by the Minister of National Defense of Estonia, Yuri Luik.

According to the head of the Estonian military department, about 2,4 thousand Makarov pistols (PM) will enter the party. All weapon will be deployed by Ukrainian troops in the Donbass for use against "pro-Russian separatists." Delivery is at the request of the Ukrainian side.

We deliver this support to our allies, who have been at war for six years

- said the Estonian Minister of Defense.

At the same time, it is explained that Makarov’s pistols are no longer used in the Estonian army for a long time, since they do not correspond to the standard caliber of small arms of NATO countries. Most likely, the guns will be taken from long-term storage. However, in Tallinn it was emphasized that for the Ukrainian army PM, "without any doubt, will become an important component in equipping Ukrainians with weapons."

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine announced the transition of the Ukrainian armed forces to NATO standards, including Western-style weapons. All this is done with the goal of "confronting Russia."

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[Insurgent]

According to the head of the Estonian military department, the party will include about 2,4 thousand Makarov pistols (PM). All weapons will be sent to Ukrainian servicemen in Donbass for use against "pro-Russian separatists."

So that they, dogs, drunk each other and shoot .

[CAT BAIYUN]

Gossipidya ..... That Estonia is an enraged dwarf, that Ukraine is a misunderstanding .... But everything has a global meaning. something tells me that in Ukraine the Makarychs have in store for another 100 years. All Bandera podgryukivatel will have enough "to shoot themselves" and suddenly the deal of the century is direct. In this case, from my point of view, a corruption component is seen. Well, ukrovoyaks cannot buy anything without a privarochka .... Moreover, there is some reason - a fight, right, with the separatists .... Bortsuny, forgive the state ...

[Cowbra]

This is just the beginning of the pack. The fact is that the only thing that really happened after the collapse of the USSR in the outskirts was the launch of a series of Fort pistols, about which they all howled in chorus that they were incomparably better (which, hey, is somewhat different even in terms of build quality). And then we’ll fuck you - on you, Ukraine, Bosyatskiy’s fit - a gun of the middle of the last century, otherwise you don’t have anything And from the dwarf

[tihonmarine]

Quote: KOT BYUN

something tells me that in Ukraine Makarychev is still in reserve for 100 years.

Probably everything is already empty, not for nothing that the warehouses were burning. Probably part of it was sold to Africa, part of the bandits, part of it was stolen in reserve. They can’t let out their own.

[CAT BAIYUN]

It cannot be ruled out that everything was sold ... But, back in 13, I out of the corner of my eye saw the utilization of military property near Kharkov. He visited with a friend. Really ..... cavalry drafts, harness, saddles ..... What was there! So, personally, I don’t believe something in the complete absence of the Makarychs. But in a comment from above it was correctly noted:

that the only thing that really happened at the outskirts after the collapse of the USSR was to launch a series - Fort pistols, about which they all howled in chorus,

A question in this connection: and WHERE IS OWN?
Well, I didn’t verb about the presence of veracity in statements about motivation of body movements of ukrobortsuns and hot Estonian guys.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: KOT BYUN

But, back in 13, I out of the corner of my eye saw the utilization of military property near Kharkov.

Before that, there were warehouses with German weapons of the WWII, they were also disposed of, but that was before all the Maidans, and so now Banderas with MP-38/40 and Mauser 98k would run around.

[Cowbra]

Both - got it! ZVO what is it - and where are the warehouses? Forget about the Mousers, tell about the teaching staff, or do you understand yourself ?!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Cowbra

Both - got it! ZVO what is it - and where are the warehouses?

Near Slavyansk in the former salt mines.

[Cowbra]

O. Knows Camping

[TermNachTer]

Problems with ammunition for PM were in the 90s, part of the militia had to arm TT, but then everything worked out. They even made a new pistol for PM, although it is no better than the "Makara", but that doesn't matter - the money is already bye-bye.

[Livonetc]

The goods on the black market are undercarriage.
You can continue to sell in small batches

[Tank jacket]

Exactly, everything will come up in Europe. Ukraine has long been the number 1 provider to European criminals. Yes, in the cellars of European mosques some will settle ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Tank jacket

Exactly, everything will come up in Europe. Ukraine has long been the number 1 provider to European criminals. Yes, in the cellars of European mosques some will settle ...

This is definitely a PM very popular item.

[L-39NG]

Makarov? In modern world? Better a board, well, maybe a board with a nail and splinters.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: L-39NG

Makarov? In modern world? Better a board, well, maybe a board with a nail and splinters.

Well, you guys are stuck, give you a Glock. In the 90s, and "Nagan" was for happiness.

[TermNachTer]

You can buy anything you want on the black market for Banderland. But "Makar" is not very popular, so-so pistol.

[Eldorado]

Do the APUs have their own? Completely all sold or what?

[1976AG]

Quote: El Dorado

Do the APUs have their own? Completely all sold or what?

Separatists selected (

[Eldorado]

Separatists selected ([/ quote]
Probably, the warehouse with them "accidentally" burned down))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: 1976AG

Separatists selected

Themselves for a three-liter jar gave vodka. Although you need to ask the Insurgent, maybe I exaggerated.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: El Dorado

Do the APUs have their own? Completely all sold or what?

Judging by their news, today they have only a cleaning lady from a general store without a "premium" trunk from Avakov, she still walks - the rest of the cogs of the state machine are already under the volynes. Here's another "expense item" for Soviet weapons stockpiles.

[Eldorado]

Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver

Quote: El Dorado

Do the APUs have their own? Completely all sold or what?

Judging by their news, today they have only a cleaning lady from a general store without a "premium" trunk from Avakov, she still walks - the rest of the cogs of the state machine are already under the volynes. Here's another "expense item" for Soviet weapons stockpiles.

General store cleaning lady with American Javelin

[tihonmarine]

Quote: El Dorado

Do the APUs have their own? Completely all sold or what?

Probably fell into the "black hole".

[Eldorado]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: El Dorado

Do the APUs have their own? Completely all sold or what?

Probably fell into the "black hole".

Are you a racist ?! They failed in the black hole, you know! Not in black, but in yellow-black!

[Quadro]

And why the hell? To shoot the myrrh near the wall? Like igloids, a gun in the back of the head and a bullet. I learn from my brothers, I remember how recklessly they rejoiced over the blown up plane over Egypt and how they supported the igiloids in order to kill more of them.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Quadro

And why the hell? To shoot the myrrh near the wall?

Maybe. And presented as "separatist atrocities."
The amount is just super-redundant.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Quadro

To shoot the myrrh near the wall?

There are revolvers needed. So that the shells are not dug up later.

[faterdom]

Separatists (from the tank): "Wai, bayus-bayus!"

[tuts]

left Mosin rifles, sorry of course put Mauser 98k and then it’s sure that it will come

[Cowbra]

Only Berdan, only hardcore! And muzzle-loading guns. Although no, guns are not necessary - Maidan catapults are riveted

[sharp-lad]

And muzzle-loading guns. Although no, guns are not necessary - Maidan catapults are riveted
How is it not necessary? Well, they dream of acquiring nuclear weapons!

[Evdokim]

Tallinn will supply Kiev with a batch of Makarov pistols (PM) to "fight against pro-Russian separatists in Donbass."
the party will include about 2,4 thousand pistols Makarov (PM).

As an economist, I’ll tell you a terrible secret. On the Ukrainian and European black arms market, a fall in the price of Makarov pistols and an increase in the price of cartridges for him are expected.

[Prisoner]

In order to self-shoot chi sho? E-e-e-oo-o-o-o-o-n-n men are not without humor.

[RoTTor]

SELL as antiques - at inflated prices.
For museums: there are no cartridge factories in Ukraine

[Zeev zeev]

Ukrainians say the opposite:
"At the Vinnitsa plant Fort, which is part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, a line has been launched on which bullets and casings for 9x18mm (Makarov) and 9x19mm (Luger) cartridges are produced in a closed cycle," the Ministry of Internal Affairs reported.

The line will make it possible to produce up to 14 million cartridges per year. Its launch cost UAH 69 million. "

[tihonmarine]

Quote: RoTTor

For museums: there are no cartridge factories in Ukraine

There are no museums in Ukraine, the PM's echoes pushed, and the cartridges will be sold at 10 euros apiece.

[Ros 56]

And where did banderlogs drop their reserves of PMs? Are they really broke up?

[AU Ivanov.]

Sold through Voentorg

[Ros 56]

How much for the trunk?

[AU Ivanov.]

If with a hangover, then about a liter.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ros 56

How much for the trunk?

Do not offer dollars, only liquid currency.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Ros 56

And where did banderlogs drop their reserves of PMs? Are they really broke up?

everyone is missing. What kind of babosy do not. And banderlogov’s hands are crooked, or Estonian pistols with a crooked barrel, specially shoot from around the corner.
In childhood there was a book about a fascist with a filthy pistol, with a crooked muzzle. From which he shot in the back of a soldier Ivan in Berlin.

[APASUS]

Switch to NATO standards and accept Soviet weapons as a gift?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: APASUS

Switch to NATO standards and accept Soviet weapons as a gift?

They don't look a gift horse in the mouth, what are the standards, "freebie pliz".

[Rzzz]

Well, "to understand as a gift" is also a NATO standard. True, then usually you have to pay money for such gifts in some indirect way.

[APASUS]

Quote: rzzz

Well, "to understand as a gift" is also a NATO standard.

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

Ay-yay-yay, supplying Makarov pistols is so shameful for Estonia, because the pistol is Russian. And you need something Estonian. For example, a slingshot "Great Tallinn" or a bow with arrows from a purely Estonian tree. The separatists will be afraid of Ukrainian soldiers with Estonian bows.

[Mavrikiy]

Estonia will supply Ukraine Makarov pistols to fight the "pro-Russian separatists"

No, not right. Russia will supply Makarov pistols to Estonia to fight Estonian Nazis. That's right.

[svp67]

To have huge stocks of weapons on its territory and receive such "handouts" ... Yes, it's not funny.

[iouris]

Yeltsin "crushed the communist monster", left this weapon and reported on the work done to the White House.

[Hhrist]

Estonia will supply Ukraine Makarov pistols to fight the "pro-Russian separatists"

For the PM army categorically is not suitable, since it is a police pistol. And to kill them someone (except himself), it is still necessary to try.

[impostor]

It all depends on the hands (where they grow from). In the words of the janitor Tikhon, to whom the bride mare was. The weapon is excellent, it proved itself. In its niche, an indispensable thing.

[Hhrist]

Quote: impostor

It all depends on the hands (where they grow from).

And here are the hands?
Do you even know how army (killing) weapons "work"?
And how does it differ from other types of weapons? From the same cop as PM?

Quote: impostor

The weapon is excellent, it proved itself. In its niche, an indispensable thing.

Only this niche, the police.
And the police have other goals and objectives. Not like the military.

[impostor]

My dear, if 9x18 does not give you the opportunity to rid yourself of the world, then higher pulse cartridges are unlikely to help you ...

[Hhrist]

Quote: impostor

My dear, if 9x18 does not give you the opportunity to rid yourself of the world

Well, okay.
Another lame, but knowing nothing boots.

[impostor]

Tearing up, honey? That's good. And now, honey, count it up - you came to my trench and got 9 SP7 GJ in turnips. If you don’t have k6-3 on your turnip (and you don’t have it, because you lie with it about 500 meters before the trench), then your mother will not be able to open zinc with your body, because instead of a nape you will have the Universe. Truncated, honey?

[Hhrist]

some. Probably the boyar had already pumped up as usual and "went to the Runet to communicate."
Such cretins in RuNet, more than enough.

[ssergey1978]

I can list the mass of pistols and revolvers that were in service in a number of countries of equal power or a weakening PM. In Yugoslavia, for example, PM was produced for the army in caliber 9x17 mm

[Hhrist]

Quote: ssergey1978

I can list the mass of pistols and revolvers that were in service in a number of countries of equal power or a weakening PM.

It is not only and not so much the power.
The ratio caliber-power matters.
Further, in the army of THREE different classes of pistols. For different consumers.

Quote: ssergey1978

In Yugoslavia, for example, PM was produced for the army in caliber 9x17 mm

"PM in caliber 9x17 mm" does not exist. This is another gun.
Strongly different.
And by the way, nothing good. Although the attempt is very reasonable and interesting for such a country. There are no weapons designers there and never will be.
To make a good army pistol is impossible for the south. As, by the way, and the USSR / RF. No constructors.

[ssergey1978]

Is IZH-71 another gun too?

[Hhrist]

Quote: ssergey1978

Is IZH-71 another gun too?

Also. Something like Yugovsky.
Neither in the USSR nor in the RF could they create good weapons chambered for 9x18 mm.
No frames. But you can’t get far at pontoons.

[ssergey1978]

which also? IZH-71 is a PM chambered for 9x17 which, as you say, is not.

[Hhrist]

Quote: ssergey1978

which also?

Nothing. Mixed up.

Quote: ssergey1978

Is IZH-71 another gun too?

I am not familiar with all sorts of funny farts.
IZH-71 is exactly a funny little thing. 240 joules and no penetration. Good for civilian weapons.

[ssergey1978]

It is funny for you because you do not use weapons and have not seen its effect. PM is a good gun and there are no complaints about its effectiveness in people using it.

[ssergey1978]

The effectiveness of the PM at a distance of 8 meters is not inferior to a pistol chambered for 9x19 mm

[Hhrist]

Quote: ssergey1978

The effectiveness of the PM at a distance of 8 meters is not inferior to a pistol chambered for 9x19 mm

DEP (effective damage range) PM is 0 (zero) meters. For a police pistol, this is great. For the army, no good at all. And by DEP and by penetration, which is about zero.

[ssergey1978]

At a distance of 45 meters, the energy of the PM bullet is 250 J

[Hhrist]

Quote: ssergey1978

At a distance of 45 meters, the energy of the PM bullet is 250 J

I agree.
So what?

[ssergey1978]

Regulate a double hit for a 100% guarantee from any gun. Two hits is 500-600 J. For complete neutralization, the carcass should receive 5 JL per 1 kg of live weight. that is, the PM is guaranteed a jack of 100 kg of Maine at a distance of 45 meters.

[Hhrist]

Quote: ssergey1978

Regulate a double hit for a 100% guarantee from any gun.

Hit is one thing.
A lethal defeat is different.

Quote: ssergey1978

Two hits is 500-600 J.

No no. So no one thinks.
The M9 has 50 m 430 J. This is what counts. Together with the characteristics of the bullet.
And in total, nothing is considered. The central nervous system of the enemy is struck by one blow, causing pain shock and death.

Quote: ssergey1978

For complete neutralization, the carcass should receive 5 JL per 1 kg of live weight.

Cool.
But wrong.

Quote: ssergey1978

that is, the PM is guaranteed a jack of 100 kg of Maine at a distance of 45 meters.

PM at a distance of 0 (zero) meters does not knock anyone if they are not affected by LRW. A bullet PM of the central nervous system does not take a person even at point blank range.
For police weapons, this is a great result. But for the army this is no good.

[ssergey1978]

5 J for a man, 10 for an animal is a scientific fact, but for you it’s fun, funny.
PM doesn’t bring anyone this pearl, it makes no sense to discuss it is nonsense.
The m9 has a cartridge of ohm 9x19 NATO more joules.

[ssergey1978]

When the pretzel was detained, 4 shots were made in the leg from the PM, the pretzel died from a combat shock

[Skarpzd]

do not try. can't explain. now the rash of all kinds of inflated from the Internet TTX will begin and it turns out that when a bullet is fired from a distance of 5 meters with a PM, it bounces off the skin of a person and flies back into the barrel))) connoisseurs are such experts)))

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: HHrist

For the PM army categorically is not suitable, since it is a police pistol. And they should kill someone (except himself), it’s still necessary to try

I’ll tell you a secret that in the army, a fight with the enemy in pistols is not provided for at all.

[Shelest2000]

They have these PMs, new, something around 350-400 euros cost in ormages, and used ones are even less, because. since the time of the Union, thousands have been in warehouses. Only few people buy them now.

[Hhrist]

Quote: Shelest2000

Only few people buy them now.

Specific weapon. Few people need it in principle. But, thanks to the USSR, it is available in huge quantities in the world.

[Shelest2000]

Yes, what is the specifics ... Normal, I would even say - an excellent, civilian weapon for self-defense. It was developed as officers' self-defense weapons. And if you also tune it a little, putting the Israeli-made Fab Defense handle with a button to reset the store under your thumb, then as a civilian weapon, the SB is just fine. I watched the video with the PM shooting with such a handle - excellent reviews. And in Russia it costs only about 3,5 tr. Honestly, I would not refuse PM as a civilian weapon. But where do we live ... :(

[Hhrist]

Quote: Shelest2000

It was developed as an officer’s self-defense weapon.

There are no such weapons in wildlife.
There is an OFFICIAL army weapon (but it is not for line officers).
But the PM does not pull on him, the caliber is not the same.
This is a typical police gun. Non-lethal action, as it should be a police weapon.
His great-image was called, Walter PP (police station).

Quote: Shelest2000

it’s like a civilian weapon of CO, just fine.

Well, maybe it’s also a civil thing. Just because of his weak mortality.
Although, for civilian weapons it will be powerful. Civilian weapons need less power.

[VIP]

Generally, it was developed as a civil service: "Baikal" is the same "PM", but weaker

[Finn]

The gun does not have to be powerful, it is for close combat, and in close combat you need a pain shock, otherwise, after making a hole in the enemy, he can still run and harm his health.

[Shelest2000]

There are no such weapons in wildlife.
There is an OFFICIAL army weapon (but it is not for linear officerat).

Something new

But the PM does not pull on him, the caliber is not the same.
This is a typical police gun. Non-lethal action, as it should be a police weapon.

In the USSR there were no police and policemen. There were police and police officers. And with low criminality, he was enough for the police. As for the army, because the times when an officer raises the attack, waving a pistol, went back to the years of World War II, with rare exceptions. PM and was developed as a personal weapon of the officer / command staff. not for the battlefield, but for self-defense in emergency situations. Well, specialists worked with him, because there were no other modern pistols. unless Stechkin. But he really has his own specifics.

His great-image was called, Walter PP (police station).

For a couch war I advise you to curiosity with the inner, t.s. filling both pistols. Talking about Makarov’s sluggishness with PPK is the same as arguing about Kalashnikov’s sluggishness of his machine with STG-44.

Non-lethal action

He has a normal lethal effect. And already stopping

the ability of his bullet with its 300j is not worse than 9 * 19.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Shelest2000

civil defense weapons

Quote: Shelest2000

tune by placing the Israeli-made Fab Defense handle with a store reset button

Yeah. Citizens walk the streets in unloading with a dozen stores conveniently located for excavation. He shot the first one into a bad guy, quickly dropped it, thrust the second one with lightning speed, shot it off, then the third ... tenth. So, in civil self-defense, I’ll tell you, without dumping the store under the thumb, well, you can’t do anything.

[Shelest2000]

Well, you know, there are situations
Just according to the comments of foreign, alas, PM owners and those who installed this pad (yes, with a store reset ), the gun began to play with new colors. More convenient retention, more convenient aiming, more convenient retention of the aiming line ... Yes, and the speed of the store change has never bothered anyone.

[grigorii]

All of these weapons will soon appear in markets around the world.

[Fan]

Quote: grigorii

All of these weapons will soon appear in markets around the world.

Well, not everything, but the Crimemanal of Ukraine and Russia for sure ..

[Fan]

We deliver this support to our allies, who have been at war for six years

These Makarovs, as I understand it, will add unwanted and then accuse them of "agents of the Kremlin"))) Well, entertainers ..

[Cat]

It would be better if a batch of pomegranates from warehouses of very long storage. Two for each banderlog - otherwise it will not explode.

[Well done]

And they didn’t have the Nagans? Blunderbuss?

[Fan]

Quote: Welldone

And they didn’t have the Nagans? Blunderbuss?

I won’t be surprised if Shmaserov is hustled somewhere in the warehouses in the forest .. But they are embarrassed and kept for sebe .. To carry out punitive operations ..))) They know how!

[Alf]

However, the irony ..

[Doctor]

Once again proved - there are never too many weapons. It seems like a gun of the last century, but in war it works no worse than Glock. But try to do these Glitches quickly, when necessary and how much it will cost.

[Poetry]

Slowly slowly the sun rises at dawn
Sleepy Estonian wielding a finger in the nostril.
In the local quarry, crucians barely swim
They can not faster, no matter how you ask them.

The local crutch slowly tapped the stone,
Slow wind shakes the Estonian feather grass.
The Estonian Boeing seems to hang in the clouds,
Local flies slowly crawl on the ceilings.

The Estonian boxer slowly beat the uppercut
Slowly, even the local cat was licking eggs.
I'm afraid to imagine how a tortoise crawls here,
Slowly the puffer is played by the organ of the composer Bach.

Someone will say that Estonians are such brakes,
The Estonian will be against, all the rest are in favor.
The Estonian does not have the words "immediately" and "soon",
They live as if in slow motion.

[Topol M]

They’ll disperse to the bandits, as an officer I can say that this fart does not play a role during the fighting. Just let him shoot him

[Kerensky]

I can say that this fart does not play a role during the fighting.

How to play! Especially the cord with which it is fastened ... It perfectly clings to everything, leaving the owner out of the shelter at the right moment.

[Dembel]

Well, in fact, Ukraine has long established the production of its Fort pistols, so the supply of PM from Estonia is probably nothing more than a corrupt deal, with not sickly kickbacks to the leaders of the ukrovermacht who "help" their sprat allies who have switched to NATO standards to implement old Soviet stocks.

[VIP]

But what about the vaunted Fort pistols? They cracked a lot, that the Fort meets all Western standards, and Glock should beware of an independent competitor.
It’s a pity that Makara will be used against ours