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Military expert criticized the Ukrainian anti-ship complex "Neptune"

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Military expert criticized the Ukrainian anti-ship complex "Neptune"

The possibilities of the “newest” Ukrainian cruise missile of the Neptune complex are greatly exaggerated, said the scientific secretary of the military-scientific society of the Black Sea fleet, professor of the Academy of Military Sciences of Russia Sergey Gorbachev.


According to him, the anti-ship missile R-360 of the ZhK-360MTs Neptune complex, which Russia had been “threatened” with by the new commander of the Navy Neizhpapa on the eve of Russia, is outdated by modern standards and easily knocked out by a subsonic missile. At the same time, Gorbachev emphasized that there is no secret in this complex for Russia and there are all means to neutralize missiles.

The Ukrainian side greatly exaggerates the dignity of the Neptune rocket. It is subsonic, easily knocked down, and significantly outdated by modern standards of weapons. Although there are some innovations, it’s a kind of military secret for the Black Sea Fleet in terms of neutralizing it weapon does not represent

- said the expert.

Earlier, Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Navy, Rear Admiral Aleksey Neizhpapa announced his preparations for military operations against Russia, while he placed great hopes in this on the new Neptune missile system, which is currently not even mass-produced. According to him, in the event of an invasion, the Neptune rockets "will reach Sevastopol."

According to data released by the Ukrainian side, the "new" R-360 RCC weighs 870 kilograms and can carry a warhead weighing 150 kilograms. Its launch range is up to 280 kilometers, speed - about 900 kilometers per hour, flight altitude above the crest of waves - from three to ten meters.
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  1. Doccor18
    Doccor18 7 July 2020 10: 10 New
    +6
    The Ukrainian side greatly exaggerates the dignity of the Neptune rocket

    Who would doubt that...
    1. CAT BAIYUN
      CAT BAIYUN 7 July 2020 10: 24 New
      16
      Who would doubt that...

      Yes, no one doubts.
      From my point of view, the Ukrainian side greatly exaggerates not only the merits of its rocket, but also its own merits, capabilities and, above all, its own significance.
      Ukraine in its current format is a misunderstanding. Annoying and annoying.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 7 July 2020 10: 39 New
        +6
        Ukraine in its current format is a misunderstanding. Annoying and annoying.


        there Yarosh promised to shoot kiwu yesterday. Good luck with this vomit! and full ammunition
        And to those millions who have a hut on the edge - I wish you survival and also good luck, although they did not deserve to be on the same side with luck

        And yes, the clown - the president - is not just like that, it is such a shit. Honored Guidness.
        Each state received the power that it deserved. This is the law of life.


        In this century, the Selyuk from the "panovati" is postponed. Will you work for food - Russian-made drinks
        1. novel66
          novel66 7 July 2020 11: 40 New
          +1
          let them go give up!
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 7 July 2020 11: 43 New
            0
            these waffles are just waiting - that Russia will capture them and balance. Let them whip each other directly on the forehead.

            or make like a Tymchuk wafer - they will shoot at themselves. I dreamed a waffle, twirling a gun in my hands - and shot myself in the empty head

            The ideal scheme for every fennel

            1. novel66
              novel66 7 July 2020 12: 42 New
              +2
              here you are angry lol and there are decent people crying
              1. St Petrov
                St Petrov 7 July 2020 12: 57 New
                +2
                the decent ones have figured out for a long time - that everything is not very good with Ukrainian patriotism
                Decent there in opposition to the state now

                And when a waffle sits here, calls me to the Moscow Maidan - what a decent one it is. An ordinary animal that broke its state, turning it into a stable - and now it wishes me the same
                1. novel66
                  novel66 7 July 2020 12: 59 New
                  +1
                  in Moscow on the Maidan, noise and commotion .. (almost according to Rosenbaum)
                2. novel66
                  novel66 7 July 2020 13: 00 New
                  +1
                  Khimki - hello! soldier
                  1. St Petrov
                    St Petrov 7 July 2020 13: 30 New
                    -2
                    I'll tell you how to get there. I'm on the Gorky direction drinks
  2. bad
    bad 7 July 2020 10: 30 New
    +4
    Ukraine finished the Soviet X-35 on its own
  3. donavi49
    donavi49 7 July 2020 10: 33 New
    -6
    Almost all RCC in the world are subsonic and due to this compact. Only the USSR relied on monster missiles, around which it was necessary to build a ship (1164/1144) or a submarine (949). The latest mode is a compact RCC with a marching detachable step and a 2-2,5 M breakthrough section at the final stage (20-50 km after capturing the GOS target).

    These are just different concepts a bit:
    Western - we’ll throw so many missiles that the air defense / missile defense system will tell my authority everything. Well, at that stage it doesn’t matter what speed it will be. Neptune also goes with this concept, they will not shoot at one rocket at a ship or formation, but the point is in volleys (maybe all sorts of newfangled things are introduced there, such as gathering in a dense group on a marching section, breeding groups along routes, etc.) . According to this concept, and the X-35 by the way. The main goal is to minimize the EPR in all planes, various maneuvers and route changes, to minimize the height of the marching section, which means to move the detection line closer to the target, etc.

    Soviet - we’ll build a 7-9 ton rocket around which we’ll have to build a carrier. But like a bang. How they will go in packs to 2-3M, but to a good range, and then if at least one gets there (even without a core, and you can screw a core and a vigorous core, not a cracker, for volume and mass allow), then there’s a ticket to Neptune right away .
    1. mvg
      mvg 7 July 2020 12: 29 New
      +2
      How will they go in packs at 2-3M, but at a good range

      You didn’t quite draw like that. And at a distance of 20 km (Basalt, Granite, Volcano), then, descent 5-10 m, 40 km to the target, when the GOS detects a target with an EPR of 150 meters, such as a destroyer. And about this we still need to bring this flock of 16-24 rockets, inertial, astrocorrection to a target for 500 km, which also goes in an indirect way 25-30 nodes (if without support vessels). Also, it’s possible to detect this target for 500-700 km. Neither the A-50 nor the Tu-142 are capable of that. Liana is not alive, Space is also not all in orbit, there is no continuous coverage.
      Every Onyx (1978) and Caliber-NE also need a TS.
      To break through PRO AUG with 1-2 Ticanderogs, 3-4 Burks, with SM-6, and Phalanxes, with no chance for RCC. All sorts of Uranus (also the development of the end of 70 years), Mosquitoes, this is on ships without missile defense, such as our RTOs, 11356, UDC. In the West there are none, all normal countries or Aegis, or Samp-T with Aster, plus the Phalanxes and Goalkeepers. Or Barak-8.
      If you do not sleep, then a volley of 3-4 anti-ship missiles will do nothing
      PS: 1989, one 956 shot down 11 of 12 goals .:
      1. And Makarov
        And Makarov 7 July 2020 13: 46 New
        10
        Quote: mvg
        PS: 1989, one 956 shot down 11 of 12 goals

        And what did they work there? Bee wasps? They don’t seem to have daggers ...
        1. mvg
          mvg 7 July 2020 14: 09 New
          0
          [quoteA what worked there?] [/ quote]
          In October 1989, the Combat, together with the destroyer of the same type, the Prudent, and the Admiral Tributs, carried out an experimental night firing of an anti-aircraft missile system. Shooting was carried out on seven target missiles, suitable for a group of warships simultaneously from different directions. As a result of the firing, all target missiles were shot down, and 6 of 7 were shot down precisely by “Combat” with their air defense systems “Hurricane”. The destroyer "Prudent" shot down one target, and fired another one together with the "Battle". To obtain a positive assessment by the detachment as a whole, the “Combat” was counted as five, and the “Prudent” - two targets. This shooting was counted as a prize for the prize of the Navy commander in chief for air defense
          PS: I did not find the necessary article (I am friends with the numbers, I have already laid out a description of the detailed exercises. These were extreme large exercises, still Soviet ones. Maybe I can recall the name, but not the Ocean. Pacific Fleet
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 7 July 2020 15: 07 New
            -1
            Romanov. Binoculars from the commander in chief. 1995.
            There is an article in the PDF for whom you need to write in a personal
        2. sivuch
          sivuch 7 July 2020 18: 03 New
          +1
          And what did they work there? Bee wasps? They don’t seem to have daggers ...
          And Os is not, but there is M-22
      2. sivuch
        sivuch 7 July 2020 15: 19 New
        +2
        And where does the AUG go without support vessels and all the time at maximum speed? So we’ll trim the sturgeon. As for the space TsU, then yes, somewhere in the southern part of the Indian Ocean there is nowhere without it, but if the goal itself goes to the Far East - it’s a completely different matter.
        To break through the AUG air defense is a moot point. For example, I don’t know (and if I knew, I wouldn’t say wink ) whether the Granit EW has been modernized and how effective it will be against the above. On the Meteorite, there was a lot that was planned, up to the LC and, since it did not go into the series, something leaked to the Internet.
        1. mvg
          mvg 7 July 2020 17: 29 New
          0
          this AUG goes without supply vessels and all the time at maximum speed

          Dial aug photos, quite often without support vessels. In wartime, it will be more common. The speed of Nimitz, 33+ knots, like that of Burke, the Granites are 40+ years old, yes, they were shot at the Syrian side, but 99% that they didn’t hit. You can get into the city. Granite is too smart a rocket (for that time), changing something there is very expensive, which is why 949 and 1144 are rearmament on Onyx, Zircons. I somehow argued with Timokhin about 1164 that he was not subject to modernization. The result, Moscow, restored the course, patched up and that's it. Basalt, 1983 Volcano. Not everything was done in Russia. There are other problems. At 1143.5 they will cut it out altogether.
          Yes, by the way, imitations of Granites knocked down. It is unlikely that all 16 or 24 will take off.
          There are numbers on AUG defense, if 949 releases all 24, by a miracle, everyone will find a target, then the chances are less than 10%. It was before, now less.
          PS: I think, for example, PAK YES pairs have chances, if they make stealth there, and they will place a drum for 12-16 Zircons in the inner compartment. But these are dreams. Or really a Dagger with a special warhead. One with an air blast, the other in the AUG.
          If it comes to this, it will no matter how much they have not sunk. We will finish with hammers.
          1. sivuch
            sivuch 7 July 2020 17: 57 New
            +2
            Anything and anywhere can go in the photo. But, since most of the warrant is not vigorous, it will have to go in an economic move. And if with supply vessels - then even more slowly.
            Granites mocked in Syria? belay Shot a hundred Granites and 99 of them did not hit anywhere? Wow. About the possible modernization of existing missiles commemorated at Abaza in zero, if not mistaken, years. imitation - why not knock down, the only question is the reliability of the imitation.
            Another thing is that we deviated too much from the topic.
            1. mvg
              mvg 7 July 2020 18: 14 New
              0
              Shot a hundred Granites and 99 of them didn’t hit anywhere

              One Granite with a nuclear submarine, I think they just checked where it would fly. As usual, where you fell, there are barmaleys.
              About satellites, more recently, there was nothing. Six months ago, about a box said they had restored. But this info is classified. When I raised the question, it was generally sad from open sources.
              PS: On modernization, I wrote to you. What is there not only to change the filling. There are starting engines there, which have not been produced for a long time, for rockets of 30+ years, what can I catch? This is not an ICBM R-36.
              PPS: Well, for Neptune. Let's just say he can stop the Navy, there are only 3 ships for 2020 that will surely bring him down. Admiral series of frigates. My opinion, of course.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 7 July 2020 21: 46 New
                -1
                Quote: mvg
                One Granite with a nuclear submarine, I think they just checked where it would fly. As usual, where you fell, there are barmaleys.


                Granite was fired in the North along the coastal range. Hit well.
          2. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 7 July 2020 21: 42 New
            -1
            Quote: mvg
            I somehow argued with Timokhin about 1164 that he was not subject to modernization.


            Put a bunch of 2-3 TPK Caliber / Onyx in the Basalt PU and deal with the end. Everything is solvable. There is a big problem of personality-ideological ....
            1. mvg
              mvg 7 July 2020 22: 06 New
              0
              2-3 TPK Caliber / Onyx in Basalt PU and deal with the end

              And we somehow did not think of it (((Did you see the Caliber in an inclined container?
              Yes, Granite, the Barents Sea, journalists have inflated it. When Peter and the Premier League entered Middle-earth.
              AUG without support vessels does not happen

              Photo sea. I looked with a special. Then a large marine directory of supply vessels and tankers. From 19-25 ловzlov. They will aim at AUG. She is going faster. That's when flights, then the nuances.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 7 July 2020 22: 49 New
                -1
                Quote: mvg
                And we somehow did not think of it (((Did you see the Caliber in an inclined container?

                I present to you the real proposal of the concerned specialists of the General Staff of the Navy 2006-2008 .., regarding the BOD pr.1155. Insert TPK Caliber in PU Bell. Instead, we went for resource-intensive and saw-promising and extremely long-lasting. variant of modernist Shaposhnikov.
                - I saw an inclined PU. Onyx with an oblique flies. Start obliquely Caliber should. I will draw your attention to the modernization of pr.949AM.
                Tests for inclined start have not yet been carried out ...
                1. sivuch
                  sivuch 8 July 2020 12: 22 New
                  0
                  Do not poison the soul. Our Nakat stood almost under the windows. The lads from the 51st department said - another year or two - we will bet on everything that floats. And then - soup with cat you know yourself.
                  1. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 8 July 2020 12: 38 New
                    -1
                    There a lot of things were squandered precisely because of the naval command ...
          3. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 7 July 2020 21: 44 New
            -1
            Quote: mvg
            Dial aug photos, quite often without support vessels.


            AUG without support vessels does not exist. Nonsense. Just the rear can follow at a greater distance.
  4. Guards turn
    Guards turn 7 July 2020 10: 46 New
    +2
    As Semyon Arkadievich Baghdasarov said yesterday, “An outdated Soviet X-35 rocket which has been slightly modernized, only five of them have been made” ...
  5. Eldorado
    Eldorado 7 July 2020 10: 50 New
    +1
    Tse zrada or peremoga?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 7 July 2020 11: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: El Dorado
      Tse zrada or peremoga?

      And here? lol
      1. Eldorado
        Eldorado 7 July 2020 15: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Quote: El Dorado
        Tse zrada or peremoga?

        And here? lol

        Peresradamoga winked
  6. Holgerton
    Holgerton 7 July 2020 10: 53 New
    -7
    Congratulations, comrades! Our fleet is armed with an obsolete missile, according to of an expert. If Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall believes that his arguments about the fact that
    It is subsonic, easily knocked down, and significantly outdated by modern standards of armament. Although there are some innovations, this weapon does not represent any military secret for the Black Sea Fleet in terms of its neutralization

    true, it’s not difficult to conclude that the most massive modern anti-ship missile system armed with the RF Armed Forces X-35 is just trash that is only miraculously produced and purchased. Yes, and not only the X-35, but all the most massive anti-ship missiles of the world can already be sent for cancellation, but the negligent bourgeois do not know that subsonic anti-ship missiles are outdated.
    And everything goes so smoothly, if you do not remember that no one denies the fact that subsonic anti-ship missiles easily go astray, so no one is going to make single salvos on ships.
    Or the expert wants to say that the R-360, a direct clone of the X-35, subsonic, easily knocked down, significantly outdated by modern standards of weaponsbut is the X-35 already an unexpired RCC?
    And all foreign subsonic anti-ship missiles Harpoon, NSM, LRASM, Exocet, HF-2E, RBS, Atmaca, YJ-83 ... then obsolete or not? Or maybe all the same, you need to at least sometimes look at the method of using subsonic anti-ship missiles.
    1. 5-9
      5-9 7 July 2020 11: 23 New
      0
      Everything is so-so, except, perhaps, LRASM and then due to the range and the ability to redirect in flight.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 7 July 2020 11: 28 New
      +4
      We, unlike Ukraine, do not boast about the X-35. This is the time. We have more powerful tools, such as Caliber, Onyx, in the future Zircon. These are two. We are not talking about attacking someone with 5 subsonic missiles and 3 sub-boats. These are three.
      Only in Crimea there are more weapons than in all of Ukraine. If you jerk, the answer will be very unpleasant.
      1. Holgerton
        Holgerton 7 July 2020 14: 33 New
        -3
        Well, firstly, we still boast of the Kh-35, and equipping them with the next “Balls” and RTOs is an example (I mean the elevation of statements and events), and this usually happens with fanfare, remember only the Su-34 exercises with combat launches X-35, how much was praised.
        Secondly, the “Caliber” is not the most frequent guest on MRCs and even larger ships, unless they are of a new construction and then, not all launchers are given for it, and with an incomparably greater range it costs about twice as much as the X-35U. Onyx is mainly betting on new frigates, since for the corvettes and RTOs these anti-ship missiles are either incompatible or unnecessary, due to the fact that there are no means of detecting the corresponding Onyx technical characteristics. About "Zircon" is too early to say, already. 3 years they say that he is ready and soon "just about", but the RCC is interesting.
        Thirdly, there was never any talk of an attack, if VO was distorting everything, then the only one who spoke of the Crimean bridge attack was the “bloody pastor” Turchinov, and it was a long time ago and no one said that the only thing for which these RCCs were needed, but media people love to cling to everything. In Ukraine itself, if you read what the officers say the same gene. Designer "Luch", anti-ship missile R-360 is considered as an anti-airborne weapon, as well as a means to combat ships of the corvette and frigate classes.
        And here we are slowly approaching the main message that you missed. I’m not saying that it’s bad, that it’s good, I generally mentioned casually about Ukraine. I was outraged by the statement of "expert" in which he says that the obsolete rocket only because it is subsonic, and that the whole world is sitting tight on subsonic anti-ship missiles, including Russia, he apparently forgot to mention. In addition, the X-35 is also obsolete based on its statement, only because it is easy to shoot down subsonic and its logic, but the flaw in its logic is that it is customary to shoot subsonic anti-ship missiles with volleys, such as Ball, and even Caliber-NK it is supposed to be launched in volleys, because even having a finite supersonic section, it is still considered vulnerable, and the same single launch of Onyx will have little effect, given the development of modern air defense systems. Therefore, all anti-ship missiles must be launched at least a few in a salvo, to increase the likelihood of hitting a target. And here it all depends on the type of anti-ship missiles, if it’s a conditional X-35, then in a salvo there can be 20 missiles, if the Onyx, then it’s already 3-6.
        And if in the end it turns out that regardless of the "outdated" anti-ship missiles or not, but you need to make a mass launch, then only the price plays a role, one Onyx can cost as much as four X-35s, but there are goals for which Onyx redundant, but there are goals for which the X-35 is not enough. Subsonic anti-ship missiles are not obsolete, they have a different concept of application, which does not make them less effective than supersonic ones, especially considering 10-20 + anti-ship missiles for coastal systems, but our "expert" simply stated that subsonic anti-ship missiles are not effective. Either because the subsonic anti-ship missile system turned out to be Ukrainian this time, or simply because he said so. And in any case, it turns out that if the direct clone of the X-35 is already obsolete, then the X-35 is also obsolete?
        However, it is good that the military does not think so.
        PS In Crimea, I still would not have such hopes as you. There aren’t as many weapons there as in all of Ukraine. Actually, it is not necessary there, Crimea was never considered as an offensive line, but purely as a defensive one.
        Of course, there are a lot of aviation and air defense troops there, but with respect to them, tank and motorized rifle units, as well as artillery, are enough to protect the isthmus.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 7 July 2020 15: 05 New
          +2
          As far as I’ve observed, together with the BALs we usually also have the Bastions nearby. Not without reason, apparently. Caliber at MRK, although not a frequent visitor, but he is!
          Subsonic RCCs are not obsolete, they have a different application concept, which does not make them less effective than supersonic ones.

          I agree with a couple of additions: Ukraine does not have a large number of Neptunes for volleys, therefore, it is not clear what it boasts about for the whole world. Any massive attack involves a certain outfit of forces, and missiles (of any speed) are only one of these forces. I strongly doubt the existence of such forces in Ukraine.
          Crimea was never considered an offensive line

          I wrote about the defensive component. More than enough to cause unacceptable damage to the attacker.
  7. HAM
    HAM 7 July 2020 11: 01 New
    +5
    It seems that Ukrainians are full of nonsense just to tear up the Russian blogosphere ....

    Although I, perhaps, have too high an opinion about the mental abilities of ukrovoyak and their rulers ...
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 7 July 2020 11: 07 New
      +4
      it’s for domestic consumption - every waffle considers it my duty now to tell in roulette - how the Neptune will fly to the Crimea in one gulp

      They don’t even remember about the Javelins there. Mankurt was given a new candy, and when a yellow-black mankurt sucks a new information lollipop-lollipop - there’s no longer any logic and turning on the head

    2. rocket757
      rocket757 7 July 2020 11: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: HAM
      It seems that Ukrainians are full of nonsense just to tear up the Russian blogosphere ....

      But they still have to do it, from the curvature of the earth, beyond the horizon, to do ... only to stir up from afar, because even it will not work out to reflect due to the same curvature of the earth.
      Probably in vain they discovered the very curvature, and even the fact that it is spinning .... that's all now spinning, there is no peace for anyone!
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 7 July 2020 11: 11 New
    -2
    In Saudi Arabia, too, no Tomahawks fired at the oil industry. And the Bridge is not AUG with the Aegis destroyers.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 7 July 2020 11: 15 New
      -2
      Saudi Arabia sets fashion in the production of air defense systems?
      You compared the Hussites with Ukrainian patriots (!) And then another Saudi army with ours

      Hussites are warriors. Ukrainian patriots - ATO veterans who kill Ukrainians in Ukrainian cities - do you feel the difference?

      These are opposites.

      PS The Saudis would envy the air defense group in the Crimea, and in addition to the Crimea, the peninsula is blocked by the capabilities of the complexes standing in the Krasnodar Territory

      + airplanes.

      There is no chance of causing significant damage
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 7 July 2020 11: 24 New
        0
        The Saudis have everything that the Patriots and low-altitude air defense systems and F15 with AFAR need. Both desert and rockets were not few high-altitude with envelope relief.
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 7 July 2020 11: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Zaurbek
      And the Bridge is not AUG with the Aegis destroyers.

      There would be the same Aegis, then there would be a reason to worry, and so ... they won’t reach, but it will fly back, that's for sure!
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 7 July 2020 11: 22 New
        -1
        And the highlands ...? Low altitude flight.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 7 July 2020 11: 44 New
          0
          That's why there is no need, like Aegis with frigates and Patriots, who out of the blue managed to defend so much ... theirs work as they should and where necessary. And at the expense of mountainous and other things do not worry. The SYSTEM controlling this area of ​​responsibility works as it should, everything is taken into account now.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 7 July 2020 11: 49 New
            0
            I then ride a car in the South and Crimea and see basic air defense systems. In the fight against such threats, 50% success is the monitoring of launch sites and the destruction of launchers before launch or at the time of launch and drifted off missiles with air defense.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 7 July 2020 11: 53 New
              +2
              Quote: Zaurbek
              50% success in combating such threats

              100% success, these are your “tanks” at airfields, enemy launching positions ... this is well known, but .... until you die, let them just let them out from behind the horizon.
              We, from serious and responsible ones, do not make any deb / b / l plans, which can be advised to others!
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 7 July 2020 11: 54 New
                +1
                That is correct.
  9. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 7 July 2020 11: 19 New
    0
    Initiative shelling by Ukraine of the Crimean bridge or Sevastopol by these Pkr, as well as possible human casualties, will put it on a par with rogue countries and create the prerequisites for the liquidation of this country as a state, the GDP has already warned them before, so that the threatening speeches of ukrovinism will only remain words
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 7 July 2020 11: 43 New
      0
      Ukraine overcame the dictates of the bloody Morder and is now a bright and democratic country.
  10. 5-9
    5-9 7 July 2020 11: 19 New
    +1
    Why all this all hype on Neptune? The usual light and simple RCC, there are about a dozen in the world. And then while in experimental quantities and incomprehensible performance. What they are / will be (which is unlikely), what is not - absolutely no difference.
  11. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 7 July 2020 11: 22 New
    +3
    It flies, hits. It’s still necessary to bring it down on approach. Before the Malvinas conflict, the British with their Sea Dart shot down shells for advertising purposes, but it turned out like the Argentinean pilots did .. They don’t have to relax. Pully in our direction, for many it will be the last to see the flight retreating Neptune and not only for them. Well, not everyone has a mind, in Ukraine.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 7 July 2020 13: 42 New
      -1
      Sea Wolfe shot down shells. Sea Dart had nothing to do with it.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 7 July 2020 14: 11 New
        0
        I apologize for a long time at that time. At that time I served in the GSVG. The officers put mail into the pen of the office. It was a sleepless night until morning. Foreign military review was a serious magazine. After Colonel Vilyuzin allowed the chief of the communications division to read the magazine before him, it became easier.
  12. Avior
    Avior 7 July 2020 11: 26 New
    -2
    I wonder what the expert said about the tests yesterday by the Turks of a similar rocket?
  13. pepVvo
    pepVvo 7 July 2020 11: 39 New
    0
    If Neptune is our X-35, and experts call Neptune ineffective and easy to save, then the question is - how effective is our Ball and all ships and aircraft carrying the X-35 in this case?
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 7 July 2020 14: 56 New
      0
      Watching against which opponents. For shooting any little thing, ships without a serious anti-aircraft cover - will do. (And on the Black Sea Fleet such by the way is full)
  14. Karaul73
    Karaul73 7 July 2020 12: 22 New
    -5
    Quote: CAT BAYUN
    Who would doubt that...

    Yes, no one doubts.
    From my point of view, the Ukrainian side greatly exaggerates not only the merits of its rocket, but also its own merits, capabilities and, above all, its own significance.
    Ukraine in its current format is a misunderstanding. Annoying and annoying.

    Already eat and can not sleep. But rejoice that there are places where it’s even worse than yours. Such a marker for Russia.
  15. Old26
    Old26 7 July 2020 12: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Doccor18
    The Ukrainian side greatly exaggerates the dignity of the Neptune rocket

    Who would doubt that...

    And who would doubt the opinion of military expert Sergei Gorbachev. In his opinion, "Neptune" is an obsolete rocket that can easily go astray. True, at the same time, a bunch of Western anti-ship missiles should be attributed to these missiles, which for some reason the locals do not consider obsolete (probably stupid, if they think so). Plus, the Russian Uranus complex with the Kh-35U missile is also outdated. And scary to think - even anti-ship "Caliber" ....

    Quote: Rothmans
    Specialists, explain how a rocket is clearly tracked at a height of 3 meters? laughing

    The issue of tracking low-flying targets has always been quite complicated. First and foremost. At what height above sea level is the radar of the ship (the range of the radar is secondary here).
    For example:
    1. If the radar is located at an altitude of 5 meters above sea level, then the detection range of an anti-ship missile going at 4 meters will be approximately 18 km (the time required to overcome this distance is approximately 18 seconds)

    2. If the radar is located at an altitude of 10 meters above sea level, then the detection range of an anti-ship missile going at 4 meters will be approximately 21 km (the time required to overcome this distance is approximately 75 seconds)

    3. If the radar is located at an altitude of 20 meters above sea level, then the detection range of an anti-ship missile going at 4 meters will be approximately 27-28 km (the time required to overcome this distance is approximately 100 seconds)

    This is of course with optimal parameters: calm, not the use by ships of both sides of electronic warfare.

    Quote: Rothmans
    I read that "Neptune" showed itself well in the face of counteraction against electronic warfare

    Well. I also met infa that when tested it was tested in the conditions of counteraction of electronic warfare equipment. But how reliable is the information is unknown.

    Quote: newbie
    Speaking of invisibility: yesterday I read out how our 57s took the fly of F35 in Syria.

    And why not, when you consider that the F-35 fly with Luneberg lenses
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 7 July 2020 13: 53 New
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      Quote: Old26
      when you consider that the F-35 fly with Luneberg lenses

      Strongly not the fact that in a DB zone it is so.
      Quote: Old26
      If the radar is located at an altitude of 20 meters above sea level, then the detection range of an anti-ship missile going at 4 meters will be approximately 27-28 km (the time required to overcome this distance is approximately 100 seconds)

      Is there 25 meters for sure?


    2. sivuch
      sivuch 7 July 2020 15: 03 New
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      Well. I also met infa that when tested it was tested in the conditions of counteraction of electronic warfare
      Well, you understand that it’s just about nothing. First of all, what was the name of this electronic warfare, where was it located, what was it crushed (most likely -GOS, but might also be a data line)
  16. xomaNN
    xomaNN 7 July 2020 13: 09 New
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    This is a common practice - the military-industrial complex "overestimates" the possibilities of its developments. Those S-400 SAMs need to be sold abroad, and it turns out. Although real in the fighting in Syria, they were not tested in combat. But a positive image works.

    As for uk. developments based on the Soviet still “Uranus” rocket: not only are ideologies and main TTDs 25 years old; and comprehensive testing of "products", as was customary in the USSR, is not. In the defense industry owls. time participated in tests of military equipment. Full cycle, including typical, etc., etc. took several years. ; and with the serial production of URO taking into account the collapse of industrial plants is unlikely to go smoothly winked
  17. Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 July 2020 16: 08 New
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    How tired of these pan-bearers, they would already have begun. Would have finished faster
  18. Old26
    Old26 7 July 2020 16: 10 New
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    Quote: Cyril G ...
    Strongly not the fact that in a DB zone it is so

    And where are the database zones, Cyril? In Syria? In Iraq? No need to fly without them. It is fraught with the fact that the enemy will be able to know exactly from what distance and angle this plane will be visible

    Quote: Cyril G ...
    Quote: Old26
    If the radar is located at an altitude of 20 meters above sea level, then the detection range of an anti-ship missile going at 4 meters will be approximately 27-28 km (the time required to overcome this distance is approximately 100 seconds)

    Is there 25 meters for sure?



    Maybe higher. But these systems do not stand at the water's edge. And this is an anti-ship use case

    Quote: sivuch
    Well. I also met infa that when tested it was tested in the conditions of counteraction of electronic warfare
    Well, you understand that it’s just about nothing. First of all, what was the name of this electronic warfare, where was it located, what was it crushed (most likely -GOS, but might also be a data line)

    Kamrad! I just wrote that such infa reached me. Of course, there were no clarifications. Therefore, I wrote that how reliable it is - "unknown"
  19. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 7 July 2020 21: 49 New
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    Quote: Old26
    But these systems do not stand at the water's edge.


    What prevents to come to the beach?
  20. Evgeny Zadunaysky
    Evgeny Zadunaysky 8 July 2020 17: 11 New
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    Quote: Insurgent
    Quote: Steffan
    And I saw how rabble from the DNR people are robbing in the DNI under the guise of high ideas.

    That's about the "general" something and do not La-la " yes Were и Yes yes SEPARATE CASES, which do not go in any comparison with targeted policy of the state of Ukraine by force "Europeanization of Donbass"just did not accept the state, maidan coup ...

    How did they themselves vote in a referendum for joining Russia? Taken to Russia? There was a referendum in Crimea too. They were taken, and you? You see from another test.
  21. Old26
    Old26 8 July 2020 22: 04 New
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    Quote: Cyril G ...
    Quote: Old26
    But these systems do not stand at the water's edge.


    What prevents to come to the beach?

    Yes, and under the water to stop nothing prevents. But these S-300 / S-400 systems are object-based air defense systems. It stands around protected objects and standing on the water's edge is not the task of such systems.