Where the Type 003 Chinese aircraft carrier under construction “disappeared” from the shipyard: hypotheses are put forward in the USA

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Where the Type 003 Chinese aircraft carrier under construction “disappeared” from the shipyard: hypotheses are put forward in the USA

In American sources, materials appeared that presented data (including satellite images) about the “disappearance” of the Chinese aircraft carrier Type 003 under construction from the shipyard. This aircraft carrier was laid down at the Jiannan shipyard in Shanghai.

In the United States, they began to hypothesize where the Chinese aircraft carrier “disappeared”.



Recall that Type 003 is the 3rd aircraft carrier being built in China. The first of the built has already been put into service with the PLA Navy under the name "Shandong."

Among the American versions about the fate of Type 003, one appeared:

China could refuse to build a new aircraft carrier or postpone work in connection with the problems that China has with the creation of the J-31 carrier-based fighter. This China fighter belongs to the fifth (in the Chinese version - to the 4th) generation of fighters.

However, the Chinese media reported that the Type 003 aircraft carrier under construction did not disappear. It is transferred to a closed dry dock, where one of the phases of its construction will be carried out, including the installation of certain equipment. It was for the reason that the ship under construction was in a closed dock that it "disappeared" from the field of view of American spy satellites.

China intends to build a total of six aircraft carriers in the coming years. Moreover, the first series of aircraft-carrying ships according to the project has a deck with a springboard, and the second is flat. Type 003 aircraft carrier in China is planning to put into service by the end of 2021. The declared displacement of this ship is about 80 thousand tons. At the same time, its power installation in the project is designated as non-nuclear.
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    1. +26
      7 July 2020 08: 23
      And they have such a huge dock, and an aircraft carrier ... Okay. I'll go "Doshirak" and think about how to answer China!
      1. +6
        7 July 2020 08: 29
        Already answered.
        The posters "New Constitution - Affordable Health Care" are still hanging in my city.
        Everything will be fine now.
        1. +19
          7 July 2020 08: 55
          Quote: Pereira
          Already answered.
          The posters "New Constitution - Affordable Health Care" are still hanging in my city.
          Everything will be fine now.

          I liked the poster posted by the officials "We prohibit officials to have dual citizenship!" It still hangs. wink
          1. +2
            7 July 2020 14: 04
            Well, fine
          2. 0
            7 July 2020 18: 31
            I hope in OVIR? :)
      2. +6
        7 July 2020 09: 32
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        I'll go "Doshirak" and think about how to answer China!

        You don't have to answer China, but the Americans need to advise, about one place to kick their scouts. How did the Chinese manage to drag such a healthy "bandura" into a closed dock, and this is not an hour of work, and the American satellites did not notice this, and the shtatovskie shpiguns probably eat bread for nothing in Shanghai. It's time for Trump to deal with this mess.
      3. +2
        7 July 2020 09: 42
        News at the level of inf. noise. Withdraw such a ship from the slipway and enter the dock, how much time? There spy satellites fly 10 times. An object of paramount importance for US control. request
        1. +1
          7 July 2020 11: 00
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Withdraw such a ship from the slipway and enter the dock, how much time? There spy satellites fly 10 times. An object of paramount importance for US control.

          Hmm ... a muddy story.
        2. +1
          7 July 2020 19: 56
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          There spy satellites fly 10 times. An object of paramount importance for US control.

          Take advantage of dense clouds Yes bully .
          Or they were so carried away by the Negro pogroms that they were no longer up to the Chinese aircraft carriers. lol
          It seems soon theirs America ... kirdyk.
      4. +1
        7 July 2020 20: 53
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        how to answer China!
        Poseidon
    2. +15
      7 July 2020 08: 31
      It is transferred to a closed dry dock, where one of the phases of its construction will be carried out, including the installation of certain equipment.

      1. Aircraft carrier.
      2. In the closed.
      3. Dry dock.

      Communists can do anything.
      1. +4
        7 July 2020 08: 45
        Quote: Civil
        Communists can do anything.

        Second place in the number of dollar billionaires in the world after the United States. One of the strongest stratifications in the world
        by income (which is only growing from year to year - the gap between rich and poor in China is growing). So would you like to see communism?
        1. +11
          7 July 2020 08: 55
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          So would you like to see communism?

          Let's go in sequence. For starters, we would like to see socialism really developed, which is characterized, first of all, by powerful, advanced, modern production. Producing the best products in the world in any required quantities. AND?
          Or, better, miserable raw capitalism, with a huge stratification of society, with a proportionally first in the world number of billionaires, with "industrial successes", partly drawn on a piece of paper, partly ensured by the placement of foreign factories on their territory, in which local Pithecanthropus do not understand anything even, but just half-and-half served?
          Yearning...
          1. +5
            7 July 2020 09: 27
            Quote: Mikhail3
            socialism, which is characterized, first of all, by powerful, advanced, modern production. Producing the best products in the world in any required quantities.

            In the USA, it turns out, socialism? But the boys did not know!
            1. +3
              7 July 2020 12: 04
              The USA shamefully merges its production to China, being out of favor with it) No, in the USA it is not socialism. The presence of advanced production is the most important sign of socialism; without it, socialism is impossible. It's just that this sign is not the only one. And your comment is as logical as the statement that a person is a spider, on the basis that the spider also has legs. Yes, there are legs. Not like that, really ...
              1. 0
                7 July 2020 15: 40
                Michael, but the fact that in China all production was built by the West does not bother you? In Russia, the factories (in your words) are being built by the West and is it bad?
                1. +2
                  7 July 2020 16: 12
                  Doesn’t bother at all. All production in the USSR was built by the West. And then the USSR acted as China is doing now - it trained a lot of engineers who first mastered Western production, and then began to build their own.
                  Unlike modern Russia. We prepared a mass of economists and managers to replenish the ranks of thieves, and began to plunder the Soviet legacy. We no longer train engineers. Absolutely. Those diplomas that are now issued are just paper. The opportunity to buy a test or an exam completely and completely destroys the very possibility of obtaining a higher education, even if you do not use it.
                  Those factories that stand on our land are not ours. There is no one to master them, and such a task is not set. We are simply a lower-level servant on a stranger.
                  1. -3
                    7 July 2020 16: 44
                    Quote: Mikhail3
                    We are simply a lower-level servant on a stranger.

                    I understand your position. "Everything is gone" and "we are all going to die."
                    1. +2
                      8 July 2020 08: 53
                      I am very sorry, but my position is based on extensive practical experience, both communicating with "engineers" of modern production, and observing various modern "our" industries. I'm glad you are immortal, but I will die.
                      Our countries had a choice - to work or steal. China chose to work, our power is to steal. The selection results are in front of us.
              2. +1
                7 July 2020 19: 17
                Quote: Mikhail3
                USA shamefully merges China

                The topic is undeniably interesting. But our conversation is not about that.
                You did not answer my question. Do you see communism or socialism like that? When does a minority in its purest form exploit an absolute majority? Do you like communism / socialism? Should this be sought? Is this a fair society?
                1. -1
                  8 July 2020 08: 57
                  Answered. I will try to answer again. As for the minority exploiting the majority, this is your speculation. You cannot build speculation on speculation. Chinese entrepreneurs make profits by expanding production in every way. So far, no choice has been made in this regard. The fact is that the well-being of Chinese workers is growing rapidly, albeit from a very low base. What will happen next - we'll see. In any case, this provision has a development prospect, in contrast to what has developed in our country, and is characterized by a steady decline in wealth and living standards.
                  1. 0
                    8 July 2020 19: 39
                    Quote: Mikhail3
                    As for the minority exploiting the majority, this is your speculation

                    This is clearly indicated by the structure of income distribution in China. This is elementary.

                    Quote: Mikhail3
                    The fact is that the welfare of Chinese workers is growing rapidly

                    For a slave, after working on a plantation under the scorching sun with the overseer's whip in close proximity and moving to the kitchen to wash the dishes, it is a rapid growth.
                    In China, the entire economy is built on cheap labor, by definition there cannot be a decent life for the worker - he must be poor and agree to work for a penny
                    1. 0
                      9 July 2020 08: 50
                      The trick is that the Chinese are not slaves. The Chinese introduced a mass of capitalist elements into the socialist structure. Having retained the most important thing, which is the essence of socialism - the unified management of the economy, reliance on science, social orientation, the development of a person who is becoming more intelligent and educated.
                      That is why China is now calmly and systematically winning the rest of the planet in economic competition. And the United States can only bubble up helplessly, and to a country that has decided that thieves, bandits and murderers will lead it ahead, what remains for this country? Oh ...
                      1. 0
                        9 July 2020 10: 36
                        Quote: Mikhail3
                        Having retained the most important thing, which is the essence of socialism - a single management

                        Uhh. You wrote above that the main thing in socialism is developed production. Does this phrase of yours mean that you were mistaken before?
                        And again. There is unified management in the United States as well - who prints dollars controls the economy.
                        So that you no longer wander in the wilds of incorrect messages, we simply define communism and socialism as systems designed to ensure social equality.
                        Communism - means of production belong to to the people.
                        Socialism - means of production controlled by by the people.

                        Total. The state apparatus under socialism is only a conductor of the will of the people to control production and the economy. As soon as the state (and, as a consequence, the economy with production) begins to be controlled not by the people, but by "representatives of big business" - the system ceases to be socialist and begins to work for the benefit of a narrow group of people. How to define this moment? It's very simple: you need to go back to the beginning and remember that the goal of both communism and socialism is social equality / justice. If we see how social inequality is growing in the country, then there can be no talk of any socialism / communism there.

                        Quote: Mikhail3
                        The Chinese introduced a mass of capitalist elements into the socialist structure

                        Mostly the oligarchy and exploitation of the majority by the minority.
                        1. 0
                          10 July 2020 10: 01
                          The main message of the dispute is not mentioned in every paragraph, so I was not "mistaken before", and even now not very much)
                          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                          So that you no longer wander in the wilds of incorrect messages, we simply define communism and socialism as systems designed to ensure social equality.

                          No, of course, neither communism nor socialism can be defined. This is something at the level of Khrushchev's chatter, which promised to fill everyone with goods and products, and imagined socialism with communism as a mountain of good, from which anyone can take as much as you want.
                          I can’t imagine any social equality under communism, I’m not even talking about socialism, nor why would people need it. I’ll write an article on this topic, as the hands reach. May be.
                        2. 0
                          10 July 2020 10: 24
                          Quote: Mikhail3
                          No, of course, neither communism nor socialism can be defined.

                          Well, as it were, the definitions themselves are somewhat lower. Through the means of production.

                          Quote: Mikhail3
                          I can not imagine any social equality

                          This is the goal of both systems.

                          Quote: Mikhail3
                          . I will write an article on this topic

                          It’s good to study theory first
        2. +5
          7 July 2020 08: 57
          The CCP of China simply determines the direction of development, if you want to build ships, do this and that. AND DESIRE FOR YOUR MONEY. They steal but not in such quantities. He stole, fled from China and you can’t hide anywhere. China Towns exist everywhere and you don’t live there just just emigrants!
          1. +8
            7 July 2020 09: 13
            Uh ... about the lack of theft among the Chinese - I would not be so categorical, you know. East is a delicate matter.
            We also have one time, and there was no sex)
            1. +7
              7 July 2020 09: 36
              Quote: Vlad.by
              We also have one time, and there was no sex)

              Without love :))) The phrase was torn out of context, but it sounded like "there is no sex without love." Which, of course, too ... but still not so much
              1. 0
                7 July 2020 15: 53
                It wasn’t there "without love" initially! I saw this teleconference
                1. 0
                  7 July 2020 20: 30
                  Then you saw that the poor girl was simply not allowed to tell!
                  1. 0
                    8 July 2020 19: 22
                    Wow "girl"!
                    This lady was definitely over 30!
                    And then, she very definitely, with a pause, declared that there is no sex. Then laughter in two halls on two continents
                    1. 0
                      8 July 2020 19: 35
                      At my age, any lady in only 30 is a girl! smile hi
                      1. 0
                        8 July 2020 19: 41
                        Strange, but in my 60s thirty is no more than my likely partner. Prize.
                        Younger - most likely it’s not interesting to communicate during breaks, after 40 already ...
                        But 30 is not a “poor girl”)))
                        Do not be discouraged!
            2. +5
              7 July 2020 09: 58
              I don’t deny that they steal, but they have a return system. I don’t understand how they influence a corrupt official, but thieves come back to China voluntarily after a while !!! It is not clear how they achieve this ?.
              1. +3
                7 July 2020 10: 20
                For such a program operates the heavenly network. Pay to the state, pay part of the celestial network, and we will remove the criminal of mercy from you.
            3. +2
              7 July 2020 10: 24
              Quote: Vlad.by
              Uh ... about the lack of theft among the Chinese - I would not be so categorical, you know. East is a delicate matter.

              In the East, many problems are easier to solve than ours. I stood in Dalian at the shipyard. Upon arrival, a builder climbed aboard and put on the table a package "Master here for you for two and with grandfather $ 20 to solve all problems." The renovation went well.
              1. +1
                7 July 2020 12: 28
                The repair question wasn’t on paper, or should you just not give your advice?
                1. 0
                  7 July 2020 14: 30
                  Quote: tralflot1832
                  The repair question wasn’t on paper, or should you just not give your advice?

                  Normal normal repair, housing, painting, mechanisms, DG, dock. Somewhere in the middle of dollars. It came out cheaper than in Europe by almost half. It was simpler that there was no need to write a bunch of rem.news, many issues were resolved on the go. Two translators of Russian.
                  1. +1
                    7 July 2020 15: 09
                    I understand you. Sorry, Master cuts my ear. The captain is the captain. Always with respect. Whether you are a cap, good or bad. The cap is always responsible for everything that happened on board, he is both God and the sovereign. You have a separate contract. I'm simple refmashinist. under the USSR and Russia always had "awards" for repairs. Never envied, it was over to study. Because of this, the captains always signed a personal demand while I was sitting on the shore. A month, two not more after our sea vacations. Shaft is something. I made it out to computers. I knew FSE, the chief executive rescued from the article, "competently" wanted to pay a report. Then they got drunk in the Arctic in Murmansk. Not a master, but a KDP. In Murmansk, the joke: "Major" fishing gear,) you will never be a captain. Good luck, health and seven feet under the keel. 2.5 meters is not enough!
                    1. +1
                      7 July 2020 16: 37
                      Quote: tralflot1832
                      "Major" (captain's assistant to the field, responsible for fishing gear,) you will never be a captain.

                      I remember that "Major". After the navy, I went to the "father" for 4 months. And the master was in the shipping company and under the flag. So I got used to it for 25 years.
          2. +4
            7 July 2020 09: 54
            God, you are mine! You have the illusions of the times of Mao.
        3. +10
          7 July 2020 09: 35
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          Second place in the number of dollar billionaires in the world after the United States. One of the strongest stratifications in the world

          Is this something fundamentally different from us? Yes, nothing. We also have the strongest stratification and also a lot of dollar billionaires.
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          which only grows from year to year - the gap between rich and poor in China is growing

          Like ours. But at least they have industrial results. And we have...
          1. 0
            7 July 2020 10: 16
            The stratification is the same. How much China has a super ferfe and how many do we have. A star in the Far East is a super ferf?
        4. +1
          7 July 2020 11: 29
          Let the Chinese think about this. We have our own problems.
      2. -1
        7 July 2020 09: 53
        Where did you find the communists there? Firewood is also written on the fence, and behind it is anything but firewood.
        The CCP is a sign for quite a historical state tradition of China.
      3. +2
        7 July 2020 10: 03
        Quote: Civil
        1. Aircraft carrier.
        2. In the closed.
        3. Dry dock.

        Well, it looks something like this

        Or like this
      4. 0
        7 July 2020 12: 35
        Or maybe during the transfer used masking agents.
      5. 0
        7 July 2020 12: 57
        Quote: Civil
        Communists can do anything.

        And Komsomol members!
    3. +4
      7 July 2020 08: 36
      The declared displacement of this ship is about 80 thousand tons. At the same time, its power installation in the project is designated as non-nuclear.

      - in the early 2000s: "we survived, we keep aircraft carriers, in order to transfer Kuzya from wall to wall, the diesel fuel composition must be burned." and sold "Gorshkov" and "Kuzya" for repairs (the longer - the better for the budget)

      again about the cons and 7x70 t VI - don’t build aircraft carriers,
      and first create a BASIS (do we have somewhere walls of this length and size? are it just closed puddles?) - UNDER SUCH LARGE SHIPS WITH CHP AND AIR DEFENSE, KECh and storage facilities + air base and deck repair, docks and ship-repair plant (live! !!!)
      and most importantly - they calculate all the costs of maintaining an aircraft carrier for 50 years (or how long will it be?) - not the cost of construction, but the cost of maintenance for the entire life cycle

      haven’t gotten that much money (including roads and hospitals in the Central Federal District + Far Eastern Federal District) and there is no prospect of getting them for 50 years ahead, so as to divert to the trough of 70 TVI
      1. +2
        7 July 2020 10: 08
        Quote: antivirus
        haven’t gotten that much money (including roads and hospitals in the Central Federal District + Far Eastern Federal District) and there is no prospect of getting them for 50 years ahead, so as to divert to the trough of 70 TVI

        So you have answered all the questions, with one answer "where is the ZIN money". As my grandfather used to say, "If I have money, I will buy a cow, and if there is little money, I will buy a goat."
        1. 0
          7 July 2020 11: 53
          I just suggested the train of thought of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation, and not the MO (they are in 3rd place, after the Ministry of Finance and the President)
    4. +3
      7 July 2020 08: 40
      Stripes dream that he would self-destruct ....... but this is fake))) The Chinese are quickly learning))))
      1. +2
        7 July 2020 10: 13
        Or maybe under his nose to see. It doesn’t matter what the Chinese say about the indoor dry dock! Joke!
        1. +1
          7 July 2020 12: 50
          Schyutka)) and even what)))
      2. 0
        7 July 2020 13: 51
        Quote: Alien From
        Chinese learn fast

        If there is enough money, it’s not difficult to study, but when there is no money ...... study not study, but you won’t build a fleet.
        1. 0
          7 July 2020 14: 45
          True of course) ..... but only in part ...... there is our good saying: make a fool pray to God, he will break his forehead)
    5. +20
      7 July 2020 08: 42
      The article about American nuclear carriers:
      Fu, troughs are not needed


      Article about Chinese non-atomic:
      Wow; what cool ships
      1. 0
        7 July 2020 09: 26
        As they say, not in the eyebrow, but in the crotch.
        1. +1
          7 July 2020 11: 54
          crotch - is it about tenderness? or vice versa?
    6. 0
      7 July 2020 09: 34
      However, in the Chinese media ...
      Sohu knows everything about this Yes
      In mid-June, due to prolonged rains in the southern region, the construction site was covered with clouds, and the satellite could not catch the dynamics of the aircraft carrier construction project over the past few days. After cleaning, the sudden disappearance of parts of the aircraft carrier 003 surprised the American intelligence analyst ... On July 2, Forbes reported that parts of the aircraft carrier that had disappeared some time ago suddenly reappeared in Shanghai, in a dry dock, not far from the original construction site. The giant modules pre-built by these aircraft carriers are located in an open dry dock, waiting for further assembly.
      https://www.sohu.com/a/406164513_100185072
    7. +5
      7 July 2020 10: 12
      The Chinese began to roof their shipyards. From satellites. And the shipyards are huge - with a city square. Particularly disturbing to the Americans is the shipyard building submarines. It was built covered from the very beginning.
      And how many submarines are stamped there per year is unknown.
      1. +2
        7 July 2020 12: 35
        All self-respecting countries build submarines in closed hangars. And the USSR also had screws at supply bases along the railway roads, screws from submarines scattered for spies. In the summer of 20, I observed this picture in the north.
    8. 0
      7 July 2020 16: 14
      What is there to guess. The gypsies stole. Only they can crank up such a feint.
    9. 0
      7 July 2020 19: 16
      Which disappeared"
      Where where. I went into scuba diving.
    10. 0
      7 July 2020 21: 05
      For some reason, the question arose ...
      How many aircraft carriers fit in a Chinese dry dock?
    11. -2
      8 July 2020 09: 50
      He was cut into needles. laughing
    12. 0
      8 July 2020 14: 50
      The Chinese have run in stelestehnologii. They work.

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