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“Commissars rule the fleet”: in the USA, the command in the Chinese Navy was evaluated

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The provocative or irrational actions of Chinese warships and aircraft can be caused not by the daredevil commander, but rather by the decisions of a pennant political commissar.


As Jeff Benson of the Center for Strategic and International Studies (USA) explains, the command structure in the PLA is radically different from the American hierarchy. Each ship has a commander and a commissar, combining command and control into a single whole.

The commissioner's duties include evaluating personnel, maintaining military-political discipline, checking morale, and completing missions that coincide with captains. Moreover, they are able to take command themselves. The commissioner acts through a party committee consisting of at least two other members. This body makes fundamental decisions about the actions of the ship.

At the same time, the pennant commander is in a somewhat subordinate position, because, according to expert Zi Yang, chairman Xi Jinping “slightly tipped the scales to the commissioner” to ensure party loyalty throughout the army. CPC members influence naval operations on a daily basis. In a critical or emergency situation, the commander can act independently, but after its settlement his decisions will be evaluated by the commissioner. This gives him real control over the ship.

According to Benson, the Kremlin tried to use the dual command system, but abandoned it. The commissar in the Soviet system obeyed the commander when it came to military operations. The Communist Party under Xi Jinping "does not want to fall into the same mistake as the Soviets," which lowered loyalty in their armed forces, Benson said.

Moreover, there is a precedent in China itself: during the 1949 revolution that brought the Communists to power, most ships fleet came under the command of Chiang Kai-shek.
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  1. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 7 July 2020 05: 51 New
    +5
    The commissar in the Soviet system obeyed the commander

    Yeah, how did he obey.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 7 July 2020 05: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      Yeah, how did he obey.

      In general, never!
      Moreover, he had the right to shoot the commander.
      On the submarine, the political officer had a second launch key.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 7 July 2020 07: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Victor_B
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Yeah, how did he obey.

        In general, never!
        Moreover, he had the right to shoot the commander.
        On the submarine, the political officer had a second launch key.

        "This tin!" (C)
        But how then will he launch it alone, having shot the commander? laughing
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 7 July 2020 07: 39 New
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          Quote: Doliva63
          But how then will he launch it alone, having shot the commander?

          Alone can not, there are two keys.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 7 July 2020 19: 18 New
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            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: Doliva63
            But how then will he launch it alone, having shot the commander?

            Alone can not, there are two keys.

            But he shot the commander before this! laughing
    2. Finches
      Finches 7 July 2020 06: 22 New
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      Komissarov was abolished by Joseph Vissarionovich after the worst defeats of 1941-42, realizing that in a warring army there was no time for discussion - only one-man management! But he left the political leaders and nachpo ... Black colonels spoiled many of the commanders at one time! As it is with the Chinese, this is a private matter of the Chinese. In the USA, there must be a woman (preferably a lesbian), a black (best blue) and white (best transgender) in your leadership - you will think about it, it’s better to rewrite Lenin’s handwriting in your office than to go to the office of the American commander on the carpet - God knows what kind of thoughts a pervert has under his cap! laughing
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 7 July 2020 07: 04 New
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        Quote: Finches
        his god knows what thoughts a pervert has under his cap!

        If he openly expresses these thoughts, or even hints, then a denunciation to a higher authority is practically guaranteed, and there, at best, a transfer to a place far away from civilization and career opportunities, and at worst, the scrapping of this very career. It used to be that honored officers were kicked out of the "green berets" for such trifles as selfies in front of the fresh corpses of the enemy. Or a submarine officer was imprisoned "for violating the secret regime" for, again, a selfie on a submarine, and there was nothing secret in the frame, some pipelines and pointers that fucking figure out what they are measuring. Naturally, with demotion and subsequent shameful dismissal.
        1. Finches
          Finches 7 July 2020 07: 05 New
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          Oh, how strictly, poor fellow right - a step to the right, a step to the left ... shooting! laughing
    3. Doliva63
      Doliva63 7 July 2020 07: 23 New
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      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      The commissar in the Soviet system obeyed the commander

      Yeah, how did he obey.

      Who submitted to whom was written in the Disciplinary Charter. Have you read?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 7 July 2020 07: 36 New
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        Quote: Doliva63
        Who submitted to whom was written in the Disciplinary Charter. Have you read?

        It’s worthless of what is written there. The commissar will take and gang the party line commander. So it’s better not to mess with them, it's more expensive for yourself.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 7 July 2020 19: 15 New
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          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: Doliva63
          Who submitted to whom was written in the Disciplinary Charter. Have you read?

          It’s worthless of what is written there. The commissar will take and gang the party line commander. So it’s better not to mess with them, it's more expensive for yourself.

          So they didn’t read it. laughing And don’t bring nonsense, please, this is a publicly available site, people can read it, and someone will believe it. This is how the brains of society are washed out by stupid and illiterate people via the Internet.
    4. Civil
      Civil 7 July 2020 07: 55 New
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      That's right, in general, communist China is already the first economy, the Communists also pulled up the army.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 7 July 2020 08: 06 New
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        Quote: Civil
        the Communists also pulled an army.

        Yes, if only there were no such as the Komsomol Vovochka described by Ovechkin.
      2. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 7 July 2020 11: 47 New
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        Communist China is already the first economy


        This is in what universe?

        2018 US GDP - 21,44 trillion
        2018 China GDP - 14,14 trillion

        And in terms of GDP per capita, China is a completely developing country.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 7 July 2020 20: 06 New
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          Have you ever heard of GDP at purchasing power parity (PPP)? According to him, China is in first place in the world. You have given GDP at par. Both indicators have a right to exist, and among economists there is no unity in which of the indicators is more correct.
          1. Liam
            Liam 7 July 2020 20: 10 New
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            Quote: Sergej1972
            among economists there is no unity in which of the indicators is more correct.

            Among forum economists, there is no unity. And among real ones, there is. PPS is the GDP for the poor, so that they would console themselves that their torn ports are equal in PPS pants from Armani
          2. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 7 July 2020 21: 32 New
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            Have you ever heard of purchasing power parity GDP


            I heard a colleague. I am an economist. You can call me an effective manager :)

            and among economists there is no unity in which of the indicators is more correct.


            I offer you not economic theories, but following the principle of Okam to compare two numbers - 21 and 14 and think which one is larger. And then, about to go with you to buy one Mercedes, a tank or a ship - do you think the two of us will be given the same price or yours will be lower, because you have less money and therefore you are supposed to have a PPP price ...?

            China is just one developing country with GDP per capita, like Russia or Bulgaria. About the same range, plus or minus ....
  2. evgen1221
    evgen1221 7 July 2020 05: 54 New
    +1
    And let’s someone else rewrite something from the charter of any army in a copy-paste way, sign it below with his own name and ascribe from himself that this is different from his army — the rank of a brilliant military expert is guaranteed!)))
  3. Victor_B
    Victor_B 7 July 2020 05: 54 New
    +2
    We have broken this system, and now they are trying to restore it, but somehow through the rear axle ...
  4. VIP
    VIP 7 July 2020 06: 05 New
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    In some ways, the Chinese are right: you never know what kind of cockroaches live in the captain’s head. Just in case, and safety net.
    1. syndicalist
      syndicalist 7 July 2020 08: 10 New
      +3
      Now everyone is ruled by the commissioner's cockroaches
    2. Marconi41
      Marconi41 7 July 2020 08: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: VIP
      In some ways, the Chinese are right: you never know what kind of cockroaches live in the captain’s head. Just in case, and safety net.

      On this, when appointing a commander, you need to think, not after.
      I think this expert goes overboard. The commissars in the Chinese army are more like the Soviet political commissars, for they are created "in the image and likeness."
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 7 July 2020 20: 07 New
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        No, they are exactly like the Soviet commissars until 1942.
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 7 July 2020 08: 25 New
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      Quote: V I P
      you never know what kind of cockroaches in the captain’s head live

      And you never know what kind of cockroaches in the head of the political officer. There, Sablin was just the political officer, and the revolt on the Watchdog BOD in 1975 staged. And yet, everything was a little more successful for him; he had a chance to hijack a ship to the Swedes.
  5. 1976AG
    1976AG 7 July 2020 06: 06 New
    +2
    Poor Americans, they all provoke them constantly. They do not allow to calmly administer their justice.
  6. Revolver
    Revolver 7 July 2020 06: 10 New
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    No wonder Stalin at the end of 1942 returned to unity of command. He abolished political ranks, re-certified commissars to the usual commander ranks, usually with a decrease (in particular, the brigadier commissar - a rank equivalent to general - L.I. Brezhnev was demoted to colonel), and reduced commissars from equal commanders and independents to political positions, subordinate to the commanders. This two-headed Chinese still hiccups.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 July 2020 06: 13 New
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    And what do you (the Americans) care about the hierarchy of command personnel in the Chinese navy? Or does it really hinder you from downloading the rights in the South China Sea? Take care of your navy, introduce a gay and transgender rights monitor, "black life is important," etc., do what you see fit, but don't try to teach others. For the Americans, as well as for the German fascists, the word “commissar” hurts the ear and begins to distort them from him.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 7 July 2020 09: 51 New
      +1
      Learn a potential adversary.
      This is always useful.
      For example, they will send SMSku to commissars on mobile phones during the battle: "The party orders to immediately attack the imperialists with all its might!"
      And the Chinese fleet will rush into an ambush.
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 7 July 2020 14: 07 New
        +1
        So they do not study, they complain about the Chinese.
  8. Asad
    Asad 7 July 2020 06: 22 New
    0
    How the Chinese dispersed the protesters in Hong Kong, and the most odious Americans planted, they realized that the next revolution would not work! We started, with muscles, to play. Finish out!
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 7 July 2020 20: 09 New
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      Protesters in Hong Kong were dispersed by local police, subordinate to the Hong Kong authorities.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 7 July 2020 08: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: Finches
    Komissarov was abolished by Joseph Vissarionovich after the worst defeats of 1941-42, realizing that in a warring army there was no time for discussion - only one-man management! But the politicians and nachpo left ...

    This is the FACTS! There was a zampol, he obeyed, only then could he slander the slogans.
    A boat with vigorous arguments is a separate option, but everything was also strictly regulated there, no amateur activity!
    Like the Chinese, it’s not our business, but everything is regulated there too, strictly according to the CHARTER !!!
  10. Olddetractor
    Olddetractor 7 July 2020 09: 17 New
    0
    Apparently mosques on aircraft carriers no longer surprise anyone, they stuck to the commissars
  11. +5
    +5 7 July 2020 10: 32 New
    0
    Well, if these commissars do not force the military to kneel down, swear allegiance to the LGBT people in word and deed, and do not promote positive discrimination, then they won’t ...
  12. Cowbra
    Cowbra 7 July 2020 11: 03 New
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    And the American fleet, without commissars, reached a collision with a dry cargo ship because the officer on duty on the bridge did not report that a cargo ship was rolling on them - on the bridge, because it had a falling out with someone on the bridge))) What's worse?