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AR-500. Semi-automatic rifle for hunting elephants

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Semi-automatic rifle AR-500, photo: bighornarmory.com


Created by the arms makers of the American company Big Horn Armory, the semi-automatic rifle AR-500 is the most powerful in the world. At the same time, a unique model of small arms weapons built on the basis of the well-known semi-automatic rifle AR-15, widely used by US intelligence agencies, police and actively sold in the civilian market. Today, residents of the United States can purchase an AR-500 rifle under the cartridge .500 Auto Max, having paid at least 1999 dollars.

Semi-automatic rifle AR-500


Created back in the late 1960s, the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle has become such a successful weapon platform that it still serves as an occasion for various adaptations, upgrades and modifications by manufacturers around the world. Especially a lot of models made in the style of AR-15, created in the United States. To date, the AR-15 rifle is recognized by experts as one of the most modifiable small arms in stories. In this regard, the American rifle competes with the domestic Kalashnikov assault rifle and the endless modifications of weapons built on its basis.

Big Horn Armory decided to follow the beaten path, presenting its vision of the American classic of the weapons world. At the same time, the designers of the company emphasized increasing the power of weapons, turning to the caliber, non-traditional for semi-automatic rifles. Usually in caliber .50 large-caliber machine guns or anti-material sniper rifles are created, for ordinary rifles this is a very rare caliber. However, now in the US civilian arms market, a semi-automatic rifle of the same caliber as the famous Soviet DShK machine gun is available. Perhaps more powerful than a rifle in the civilian market for small arms is impossible to find.

The rifle was specially created for the .500 Auto Max cartridge, which, in turn, is a modification of the .500 Smith & Wesson (12,7x41 mm). The cartridge received minor changes aimed at making it possible to use it in automatic weapons. This ammunition is rightly considered the most powerful pistol cartridge in the world and the most powerful cartridge available on the civilian small arms market.


According to the developers, the semi-automatic rifle AR-500 is suitable for hunting any large game. With such weapons, you can really go out if not to an elephant, then to any bear, and even to a medium-sized dinosaur, if they still lived on our planet. The Big Horn Armory claims that their rifle allows you to kill "any animal dangerous to humans on Earth," and is also effective against various vehicles. The latter attracts the attention of not only professional hunters, but also special forces soldiers who could use this weapon to solve various tactical tasks.

Technical features of the AR-500 rifle


The semi-automatic rifle AR-500 inherited a lot from its famous ancestors. Structurally, it is close to the AR-10 model, which was the predecessor of the famous AR-15. At the same time, the last rifle also has a sufficient number of solutions. There is no need to talk about the similarity of the appearance of these models. The recognizable silhouette of American AR rifles cannot be confused with anything. The AR-500 rifle is functionally identical to other popular models of the large AR family, so people who are familiar with the AR-15 rifle should not have any problems switching to the Big Horn Armory semi-automatic large-caliber rifle.

At the same time, the AR-500 is made in a non-standard caliber of 12,7 mm, and the manufacturer claims that this is the most powerful semi-automatic rifle when shooting at short and medium distances. Especially effective weapons at a distance of up to 200 meters. According to the manufacturer, at this distance the rifle is equally effective against meadow dogs, and against thick-skinned rhinos. In addition, at such a distance, she will easily deal with a classic American truck or Peterbilt truck tractor.

The AR-500 rifle received a high-strength 18-inch barrel (457 mm) made of special nitride-coated stainless steel. Such a coating gives the metal extra hardness, and also provides high corrosion resistance. There is a thread on the muzzle of the barrel, which makes it easy to install a device for silent and flameless firing on the weapon or a muzzle brake compensator. A feature of the AR-500 model is the presence of an adjustable gas unit. This solution allows the use of rifle cartridges with different bullet weights and equipment.


The designers of the AR-500 semi-automatic rifle traditionally paid great attention to ergonomics. The shooter has at his disposal a full-size Picatinny rail, which occupies the entire upper part of the weapon and switches to the forend. This strap allows you to easily install on a rifle a wide variety of sights. Designers also worked with the butt. The shooter has a telescopic adjustable six-position butt, outwardly resembling those that can be found on M4 rifles. The rifle butt is made of impact resistant polymer. Also, for the convenience of the user, the model has a rubberized pistol grip of the Ergo company, which provides the maximum level of fixation even after moisture or dirt gets on it.

The standard for the rifle is a box magazine, designed for five rounds .500 Auto Max. The store’s capacity is largely limited by the laws that apply in most US states for such weapons. At the same time, there is a version of the rifle with a magazine of increased capacity - 10 rounds.

Cartridge Power .500 Auto Max


A special feature of the AR-500 semi-automatic rifle is the .500 Auto Max cartridge, created on the basis of the .500 S&W cartridge, which has a huge stopping effect. According to the developers, with this cartridge, the AR-500 rifle will be suitable for hunting the largest game, including the "big African five" (elephant, rhino, buffalo, lion and leopard). And in this regard, the transition to a more powerful caliber is quite justified and obvious.

Numerous 5,56 mm cartridges of the AR rifle family are poorly suited for hunters, as they do not allow them to confidently, and, most importantly, quickly cope with a medium-sized deer. No less important is the fact that 5,56 mm cartridges are ineffective against vehicles. Cartridges of this caliber are often not able to pierce and damage the engine, which means they are poorly suited to stop various vehicles. Switching to 12,7 mm ammunition solves these problems. In addition, according to the arrows, who have already managed to test the AR-500 in action, the return on the rifle is not as great as it might seem. With the correct and reliable fixation of the rifle, it does not exceed the sensation of the return on firing from a weapon with .300 Winchester Magnum cartridges (7,62x67 mm).


At the same time, the differences between the .500 Auto Max cartridge and the traditional ammunition of 5,56 and 7,62 mm caliber are quite obvious. Such a bullet does not have a high speed, its maximum flight speed does not exceed 660 m / s (for a bullet weighing 25,9 g). As they say, you will feel the difference. A standard .223 Remington cartridge weighs an average of 4 grams. And although the 5,56-mm munition can accelerate to a speed of more than 1000 m / s, the energy of such a bullet does not even come close to .500 Auto Max, which demonstrates truly colossal values. The AR-500 rifle, depending on the .500 Auto Max cartridges used, shows a muzzle energy of 4000 to 6000 J. This is approximately three times the muzzle energy of a standard NATO 5,56x45 mm munition.

Of course, the AR-500 is a niche weapon. The model was not created as a weapon for everyone. The same numerous AR-15 clones in the popular 5,56 and 7,62 mm calibers are much more in demand on the market. But if you are going to hunt big game or you need to be guaranteed to stop any vehicle, even a light armored car, then the AR-500 is what the doctor ordered. The rest of the model will be scared off by a relatively small effective range, small capacity of a standard store and a lot of weight. By the way, the rifle itself weighs more than 4,5 kg, and with a magazine for five rounds .500 Auto Max can add another half a kilo, which also becomes a problem: after all, the shooter usually has to carry more than five rounds.
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 7 July 2020 18: 17
    13
    Poor elephants ... It’s better to use this rifle against poachers ...
    1. Deck
      Deck 7 July 2020 18: 59
      15
      Poor elephants ...


      Elephants will survive. Bullshit journalists and do not kill. To begin with, the author would need to check the material he comments on. The energy of a bullet depends on the mass of the bullet and its speed. Speed ​​depends on the amount of gunpowder and its energy. The amount of gunpowder depends on the size of the sleeve (volume) and is limited by the maximum allowable pressure in the breech (otherwise it will break). Therefore 3800 j. And this is approximately like Mosinki. Welcome to the world without ads! tongue
      1. Vicontas
        Vicontas 7 July 2020 19: 34
        0
        What is the impact of this "St. John's wort"? Will it not turn out that after a shot, a bullet will fly in one direction, and the owner of the weapon will fly in the opposite direction?
        1. Sergey_G_M
          Sergey_G_M 7 July 2020 19: 46
          +9
          No, it won’t work out. The cartridge, although powerful, but still pistol.
          Americans love rifles under pistol cartridges, a tradition and probably history.

          For big game and punching car engines at short and medium distances, there are specialized systems that will be much better.

          VSSK "Exhaust"
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 7 July 2020 21: 39
            0
            Quote: Sergey_G_M
            VSSK "Exhaust"
            The 12,7x55 cartridge is weaker than the .500 S&W. True, the elephant's forehead will probably pierce. And the .500 S&W is not.
            1. Sergey_G_M
              Sergey_G_M 7 July 2020 22: 07
              +6
              The article is trying to cross a hedgehog with a snake. And get the elephant and stop the car.
              12,7x55 is weaker in energy, but it will do better with an elephant and a car.

              And about the elephant (and the entire African Big Five), then hunting it is expensive fun and popular among the elites, and if you come to it with an arch or exhaust, and not with a fitting or bolt at least from HOLLAND & HOLLAND or the like, you will look like a laughingstock.
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 7 July 2020 22: 17
                0
                Quote: Sergey_G_M
                if you come to it with an arch or exhaust, and not with a fitting or a bolt from at least HOLLAND & HOLLAND or the like, you will look like a laughing stock.
                Well, Exhaust is more likely to hunt poachers.
                OSV-96 - wherever it goes.
                There is a video where Barrett is hunting for roe deer. It’s normal, if it’s in my head ...
                1. Outsider
                  Outsider 10 July 2020 13: 07
                  0
                  - Just roe head tear ...

                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 10 July 2020 17: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Outsider
                    Just a roe deer will tear off his head ...
                    No, oddly enough.
              2. Dmitry 80
                Dmitry 80 8 July 2020 09: 44
                +1
                It is rather a weapon against the African-American five)))
            2. Rostislav Prokopenko
              Rostislav Prokopenko 8 July 2020 13: 45
              0
              The elephant needs to be shot in the temporal part - between the eye and the ear. You can’t even break the forehead (Still old Jules Verne wrote ;-)) Yes, and the trophy will be spoiled after a frontal hit ...
            3. Interdum_silentium_volo
              Interdum_silentium_volo 21 July 2020 00: 12
              0
              I would like to note that at the same time, the VSSK bullet weighs under 48-76 grams, this is not 25 grams .500, but most importantly the core material, from the fact that it will have enormous energy and flatten against the obstacle there will be little sense.
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 22 July 2020 03: 19
                0
                Quote: Interdum_silentium_volo
                the most important core material,
                Well, so I say: you can kill an elephant / rhino, but for a long time. While you attack 30-50 times, until you wait for the elephant / rhino to lie down from loss of blood ...
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 7 July 2020 22: 00
          +2
          Quote: Vicontas
          What is the impact of this "St. John's wort"?
          Let's count and estimate ...
          Such a bullet does not have a high speed, its maximum flight speed does not exceed 660 m / s (for a bullet weighing 25,9 g)
          .
          By the way, the rifle itself weighs more than 4,5 kg, and with a magazine for five rounds .500 Auto Max can add another half a kilo
          Bullet pulse - P = 660x0,0259 = 17,094 kg x m / s,
          shotgun charge impulse is 12-15 kg x m / s, but shotgun mass is 3-3,5 kg usually. So it's about the same. The shotgun most likely kicks harder - there is almost always no DTC.
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 7 July 2020 19: 38
        +4
        Therefore 3800 j. And this is approximately like Mosinki. Welcome to the world without ads!
        .... And before that they didn’t kill elephants from a mosquito or something like that ... I am truly sorry for the elephants ... They cannot use the AR-500 against humans ... laughing
        1. Deck
          Deck 7 July 2020 19: 59
          +4
          They cannot use the AR-500 against humans.


          I regret it too.
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 7 July 2020 21: 42
          0
          Quote: parusnik
          And before that, elephants from a mosquito were not killed or something like that ...
          Moreover, there is a video on how an elephant is felled with spears (shooting in the 60-70s), he is dying of blood loss. You need to get a mosquito heavily in place, or a lot.
          Quote: parusnik
          I am truly sorry for the elephants ...
          It is possible to knock down an elephant from this "miracle", but for a long time: The bullet is expansive, it does not go deep, and the skin is thick. The elephant will die from blood loss.
      3. Simargl
        Simargl 7 July 2020 21: 37
        0
        Quote: Deck
        Therefore 3800 j.
        It says: 4-6kJ.
        1. Deck
          Deck 7 July 2020 21: 47
          +4
          It says: 4-6kJ.


          Three-letter advertisements are also written on the fence, and there is firewood. I checked!
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 7 July 2020 22: 27
            +1
            Quote: Deck
            Three-letter advertisements are also written on the fence, and there is firewood. I checked!
            You read further: the cartridge is made on the basis of.
            The barrel is longer, the pistol cartridge will push a bullet there, but not efficiently, most likely made with slower gunpowder, greater combustion efficiency.
            So an increase of 50-60% is quite real.
            3888 J for a barrel of 212 mm, and here 457 mm ...
            1. Deck
              Deck 8 July 2020 06: 04
              0
              3888 J for a barrel of 212 mm, and here 457 mm ...


              I do not read, but I think
              Calculation data: .500 bullet, Barnes Buster 400gr 25 grams, barrel 457 mm, ultimate pressure 4270 bar, gunpowder
              (pistol, fast) Vihtavuori N105 2.219 gr. Speed 572 m / s, energy 4237 j. But with such equipment, the barrel will burn out very quickly and this is the ultimate hitch. Coma of that sleeve is likely to inflate.
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 8 July 2020 06: 45
                0
                Quote: Deck
                I do not read, but I think
                So read it would be worth it:
                A feature of the AR-500 semi-automatic rifle is the .500 Auto Max cartridge, based on cartridge .500 S&W
                1. Deck
                  Deck 8 July 2020 08: 04
                  +1
                  All the changes are a crimped barrel, which is necessary for semi-automatic machines (that's all "created on the basis of the .500 S&W cartridge"). The dimensions of the sleeve do not differ.

                  You are certainly stubborn, but you should read something on this topic. The data is not confidential, though in English.
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 8 July 2020 08: 14
                    0
                    Quote: Deck
                    All changes are crimped dulce
                    Hardly. Gunpowder another or they nuttythat is unlikely.
                    1. Deck
                      Deck 8 July 2020 09: 02
                      0
                      or they are dull


                      Not them! laughing
                      Page of the seller and manufacturer https://www.bighornarmory.com/product/ar500-500-auto-max/
                      1. Simargl
                        Simargl 8 July 2020 11: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Deck
                        Not them! laughing
                        They, they! Are we talking about a cartridge?
    2. snerg7520
      snerg7520 8 July 2020 10: 00
      -1
      It is said that in the narrow, but quite wide circles of American white extremists this rifle called antiniggerskoy rifle, alluding to its applicability to extremely hard BLM suppress riots.
  2. Asad
    Asad 7 July 2020 18: 28
    +3
    Soon they will run with blasters for game! The grandmother told the great-grandfather with a knife and a hornbill for a bear walked with men!
    1. Russobel
      Russobel 8 July 2020 07: 41
      +2
      Just like in a joke
      great-grandfather with a knife and a hornbill for a bear went with men!

      Now the bear has both a knife and a horn ...
      laughing
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 11 July 2020 15: 20
      0
      Quote: ASAD
      Soon they will run with blasters for game!
      No matter how ridiculous, but such rifles, under an almost pistol cartridge (according to ballistics), in our reality there is - this is a BMT. Released on the civilian market OSV-96 ... make it a Lancaster, say, 14,2x114 ...
  3. tlauicol
    tlauicol 7 July 2020 18: 30
    +4
    with an anti-tank rifle on the beast - you don’t need much mind, now the old school is in fashion: slingshot, bow, spear
    .
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 7 July 2020 19: 22
      +1
      Quote: Tlauicol
      with an anti-tank rifle on the beast - a lot of mind is not necessary
      Will many 6kJ tanks open? This is a pistol cartridge. Redone.
      A real hunter tries to kill quickly so that the beast does not suffer. A spear, arrow, dart - blood loss / death from poison.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 7 July 2020 19: 37
        +5
        A man with a gun is more a killer than a hunter. The beast has no chance.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 7 July 2020 21: 46
          -6
          Quote: Tlauicol
          A man with a gun is more a killer than a hunter.
          What is this nonsense?
          Quote: Tlauicol
          The beast has no chance.
          The beast has no chance against the pack of wolves. Are they killers?
        2. mmaxx
          mmaxx 8 July 2020 05: 00
          +3
          You will get the elephant a little wrong, you will find out who has no chance wink wink
    2. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 7 July 2020 19: 29
      18
      the psychopaths who kill animals not for food but for their entertainment cause me a great deal of hostility.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 7 July 2020 19: 39
        +5
        So 99% of hunters get psychopaths. And 99% of them are psychopaths with a gun
        1. Sergey_G_M
          Sergey_G_M 7 July 2020 20: 07
          +7
          C'mon, most hunters eat their prey.
          True, there are hunters for trophies, such as getting the "Big African Five" in order to show off among friends, cause dislike. They are not psychopaths, of course, but such show-off is unpleasant to me.
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 7 July 2020 21: 02
            +1
            Quote: Sergey_G_M
            C'mon, most hunters eat their prey.
            True, there are hunters for trophies, such as getting the "Big African Five" in order to show off among friends, cause dislike. They are not psychopaths, of course, but such show-off is unpleasant to me.

            Quote: Sergey_G_M
            C'mon, most hunters eat their prey.
            True, there are hunters for trophies, such as getting the "Big African Five" in order to show off among friends, cause dislike. They are not psychopaths, of course, but such show-off is unpleasant to me.

            as a rule, not a lot of incorrect meaning is embedded in the word psychopath.

            in fact:
            psychopathological syndrome, manifested in the form of a constellation of such traits, like heartlessness in relation to others, reduced ability to empathize, inability to sincerely repent of harming other people, deceit, self-centeredness and superficiality of emotional reactions [1].
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 7 July 2020 22: 01
              0
              Quote: Maki Avellievich
              in fact:
              Where are the animals?
              1. Maki Avellevich
                Maki Avellevich 8 July 2020 20: 38
                0
                Quote: Simargl
                Quote: Maki Avellievich
                in fact:
                Where are the animals?

                animals also surround.
                1. Simargl
                  Simargl 8 July 2020 20: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Maki Avellievich
                  animals also surround.
                  Persecution mania? Phobia?
                  1. Maki Avellevich
                    Maki Avellevich 8 July 2020 20: 41
                    0
                    Quote: Simargl
                    Persecution mania? Phobia?

                    Fludophilia?
                    1. Simargl
                      Simargl 8 July 2020 20: 43
                      0
                      Quote: Maki Avellievich
                      Fludophilia?
                      Not. Honest interest.
                      1. Maki Avellevich
                        Maki Avellevich 8 July 2020 20: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Simargl
                        Quote: Maki Avellievich
                        Fludophilia?
                        Not. Honest interest.

                        if so then I have to the best of a healthy persecution mania, which saved a couple of times from unpleasant feelings. once being a soldier.

                        and on the topic of animals.
                        I don’t understand why you put yourself an opponent to my lines.
                        I repeat - if you need to feed a family I will kill any animal, including appetizing looking homo sapiens sapiens if it lays down.

                        for andrenaline I will not kill an animal.
                      2. Simargl
                        Simargl 9 July 2020 08: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Maki Avellievich
                        for andrenaline I will not kill an animal.
                        Those. let it do it for you?
                        Reasonable indulgence in vices - does not harm either nature or man.
                        Ducks were previously harvested on an industrial scale, now you can buy wild meat for expensive ... but in 99,99% of cases they kill for us.
                        And 99% of meat-eaters who are opposed to hunting will not even be able to put a rabbit into soup (in the sense of converting from a uti path to a carcass).
          2. novel66
            novel66 8 July 2020 10: 38
            +2
            impossible to devour an elephant
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 8 July 2020 20: 40
              0
              Quote: novel xnumx
              impossible to devour an elephant
              They say that the meat is normal. The main thing is that you don’t have one helmet ... or a bigger freezer.
              1. novel66
                novel66 9 July 2020 08: 52
                +1
                5 ton freezer ?? and you can’t eat lions at all .. I can understand - kill a hare and eat it, a wild boar ...
                1. Simargl
                  Simargl 9 July 2020 20: 29
                  0
                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  5 ton freezer ??
                  Well, if the elephant is 7 tons, then there are three tons of meat ...
                  But if necessary - I can find a freezer in which the blue whale will look like a herring in the home. True, renting is not cheap ...

                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  lions can’t be eaten at all
                  I can’t quite imagine how you can eat the city ... but the bears are eaten - they crunch with their paws. Wolves, dogs - eat. The boar is also not vegan. Surprise but chickens are predators tongue

                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  Well, the right word - to kill for the sake of murder
                  Protein, mink - they practically do not eat - they "give" the skin.
                  And in general: animals in nature almost never die of old age, like people - they are killed by other animals, sometimes relatives. And from hunger (we can assume that from old age, but not quite).

                  And so I think: to look at an old elephant that couldn’t eat (teeth were frayed by the age of 60-70), how did he die of hunger, or to end his life with a well-aimed shot? I don’t know ...
        2. tlauicol
          tlauicol 8 July 2020 04: 58
          +3
          to get and eat does not mean "get for food" at all. They kill for fun. Even the Chukchi have not been killed for food for a long time. 99% of hunters don't need food, they just kill
          1. Sergey_G_M
            Sergey_G_M 8 July 2020 05: 27
            +1
            Quote: Tlauicol
            to get and eat does not mean "get for food" at all. They kill for fun. Even the Chukchi have not been killed for food for a long time. 99% of hunters don't need food, they just kill

            For "feeding" now it is not necessary to eat meat at all, you can get by with vegetable substitutes, but meat tastes better and I prefer meat.
            Yes, 99% of hunters do not need food, but they kill not just, but because it is interesting (yes for fun) and to eat, if the animal was eaten and not lost, then I think this is normal.
            There are hunters who do not wear fur coats and boots made of crocodile skin, but they hunt crocodiles and fur-bearing animals, they can probably find another job to "feed", but this apparently suits them and I do not see anything wrong with that.
            Chukchi, why are you so? Even how they kill for "feed" and for them it is just as natural as in the middle lane to raise calves, pigs, chickens, etc. on collective farms and then kill them for "feed".
            1. tlauicol
              tlauicol 8 July 2020 06: 24
              0
              Chukchi hunt for a long time to preserve culture and identity, and not to satisfy hunger.
              1. Sergey_G_M
                Sergey_G_M 8 July 2020 06: 39
                +2
                But it’s nothing that many Chukchi live in remote areas where there are no supermarkets for 500 km in the district, and if there is beef and pork, it costs sky-high money.
                1. tlauicol
                  tlauicol 8 July 2020 06: 52
                  0
                  nothing. deer eat, canned food, cereals.
                  I mean whale and walrus hunting
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 9 July 2020 20: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Tlauicol
                    nothing. deer eat
                    But the deer does not want to live ...
                    1. tlauicol
                      tlauicol 10 July 2020 04: 23
                      0
                      Quote: Simargl
                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      nothing. deer eat
                      But the deer does not want to live ...

                      He wants a darling. But here it (and cattle in general) is killed for food, and not for pleasure
                    2. Simargl
                      Simargl 10 July 2020 07: 34
                      0
                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      But then he (and cattle in general) is killed for food
                      And whales, dolphins, walruses - for pleasure? USSR whaling flotilla - a bunch of maniacs?
                      But what about the fish? This is generally some kind of genocide, in your opinion - MULYONS are immediately networks.
                      Almost all hunted animals are eaten by animals (suddenly). And they regulate the number of animals (directly, by means of seizure, and indirectly, paying fees and licenses / permits ... it should be more accurate, but this is not the fault of the hunters - they are for a large number of game ... even poachers, although they do not contribute), which is squeezed out by industry and population growth.
                      So making hunters maniacs is not right. Even poachers (namely, maniacs, not criminals) ...
                      But what about me? Do I sometimes slaughter animals that I don’t eat (sometimes)?
                      And with professional slaughterhouses? Those generally crazy on s / n?
                    3. tlauicol
                      tlauicol 10 July 2020 08: 59
                      0
                      cattle are slaughtered for food, but not for pleasure - do not confuse with hunting. I don’t know how the slaughterhouse has its head ... I wouldn’t go, though it’s the right thing. Commercial hunting (initially all hunting was such) came to naught, even whaling, incl. and because of agriculture. Hunting has become a pleasant pastime. Mankind does not feed on hunting * - this is a long time entertainment. Everything else - excuses from the evil one.
                      * In addition to the primitive tribes of P-NG or South Africa and Africa
                    4. Simargl
                      Simargl 10 July 2020 17: 11
                      0
                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      cattle are slaughtered for feed, not for pleasure
                      You are not careful:
                      Quote: Simargl
                      Do I sometimes slaughter animals that I don’t eat (sometimes)?
                      Those. I act, periodically, in the role of a slaughterer. He scored, butchered, got his bone (sometimes not a bone) and left. Here's what to call them? Maniac, I guess.

                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      I don’t know how the slaughterhouse has its head ... I wouldn’t go, though it’s the right thing.
                      Fine, usually. After the first hundred, it doesn’t matter anymore. True, there are not very odors and specific vaccinations. And yes: you need to make meat from living beef for those who cannot, but love meat. Imagine a restaurant where food needs to be driven in person?

                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      Commercial hunting (initially all hunting was such) came to naught,
                      Not gone. It is flourishing. It's just that the product is expensive, for the average person it’s useless. Commercial moose - from 80 rubles, is a little expensive for one. In turn, cheaper, but wait more than one year.

                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      even whaling including and because of agriculture.
                      Not. There are no whales left.
                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      Humanity does not feed on hunting * - this is a long time entertainment.
                      Humanity is not. You cannot feed on hunting: there are too many people. However, some not very well-off citizens live with hunting. And the hare is on the table more often than the gutted chicken shop.
                    5. tlauicol
                      tlauicol 10 July 2020 19: 00
                      0
                      so what to talk about? 99% is humanity that does not need to be fed from hunting, and 1% are some feeding request The rest are excuses from the evil one in the style of "I kill because I love them, for their own benefit." Not a single hunter (incl. You will not admit it.No courage and honesty to admit)
                    6. Simargl
                      Simargl 10 July 2020 19: 47
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                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      excuses from the evil one in the style of "I kill because I love them, for their own benefit"
                      You mix concepts and ignore what I wrote.
                      A normal hunter is not a maniac (as you think), but a normal person who indulges some of his desires within the law. The law determines (at least - I hope) the terms and species so that animals are at least no less and / or they do not interfere with people.
                      For example, bears.
                      In some areas, oh, horror, swans are allowed to shoot. Guess why.

                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      Not a single hunter (incl. Does not recognize you. No courage and honesty to admit)
                      What does courage or honesty have to do with it? You want to say that for me there is a difference - to kill a forest animal or in a pen? So you fell for the bait: there is no difference for me - both feel pity for some extent, but I want to eat meat, because not vegan even once. And to the same woodcock, it’s more realistic to be pecked by a crow than to fall under a fraction. But under the shot he will most likely fall into adulthood and make room for other males, and the crow will gobble up the brood completely. The same drake, if there are a lot of them, will drive the duck from the nest and, possibly, it will no longer give masonry, and the former will become cold.
                      So who's the maniac? A hunter who observes the Law, or a lawmaker who does not understand anything about "natural resources", indulging the "green" who does not understand anything, but is very protested?
                    7. tlauicol
                      tlauicol 11 July 2020 05: 53
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                      "I want to eat" is in the store, but the hunter is interested in going and killing. And not because he is hungry - just for fun. You cannot admit it, no hunter can. So sculpt excuses "you want to eat", "the crow will bite anyway", "the bears are divorced", etc. To calm the conscience.
                      Where did I write about maniacs? Something you often repeat this word. He wrote about psychopathy — one of the signs of psychopathy: heartlessness, lack of guilt and regret — what do you mean maniacs whom you yourself attribute and pass off as my words in every comment?
                    8. Simargl
                      Simargl 11 July 2020 07: 06
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                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      "I want to eat" is in the store, but the hunter is interested in going and killing.
                      Again, all over again. I belong to those people who do not suffer from hypocrisy, even with regard to meat and animals. For me, meat in a store is an animal that once lived.
                      For most - a delicious substance. But take them to the slaughter - they will.
                      And if I clearly understand that these are animals that were killed, if I do not have any "high material" relationship to them, if I can, at least not quite calmly (I feel sorry for the bunny, but I want to eat), transfer the animal to a state of meat - what's the difference - will I do it myself or someone, for me? And what difference does it make if this animal was raised in a paddock, on free pasture (this is practically a wild existence, if that), or lived in nature). Well, I went to the store, to the pen, the flock and killed the animal. This animal didn't have a chance. And in nature - the chance to survive is greater than from a predator.
                      Eat meat - kill. And whoever does this for you - your hands are in the blood of animals, just hypocrisy does not allow you to admit that you are killing. Take a piece of meat in the store - kill. Steak in a restaurant - kill.
                      The meat in the hands - you killed. Animals do not give meat - they take it. With life.
                      And there is no difference: in the pen there was an animal, or in nature.

                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      So sculpt excuses "I want to eat", "the crow will bite anyway", "the bears are divorced"
                      Namely: I want to eat, but who and how to kill for this - there is no difference: the duck was from the farm, or from the swamp - they are ducks. Well, yes - they do not grow woodcocks, it seems, but only males shoot, and they do not create permanent pairs, therefore hunting (and not poaching) affects the population practically in no way.
                      But at the expense of bears - that you have not met him yet. A lot will be divorced, they will begin to enter settlements - they will certainly hang out a shooting license. And he will touch someone - so there will be a cry. Moose will often cross the road - also a so-so event: a car, usually in the trash at a meeting.

                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      Where did I write about maniacs? Something you often repeat this word.
                      Nuyuyu continued in the opposite direction ...
                      Some common characteristics of serial killers include ... mental illness of varying degrees or psychopathy, which can contribute to the commission of murders
                      .
                      The motivation for serial killers is the pathological desire to satisfy their perverted desires.
                      Quote: also from wiki
                      Maniac (Greek: μανιακός, maniakos) - a man obsessed with mania.
                      Also this:
                      Maniac - serial killer
                      ;
                      Those. You do not say, but, surelythink so ...

                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      He wrote about psychopathy - one of the signs of psychopathy: heartlessness, lack of guilt and regret- What does it have to do with maniacs whom you yourself attribute and pass off as my words in each comment?
                      When you eat meat, do you feel guilt and regret? Or a vegan? Or a prude?
                    9. tlauicol
                      tlauicol 11 July 2020 07: 24
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                      I love meat, eat and don’t feel guilty. This is a necessity.
                      You kill animals for pleasure, and you can’t admit it, but breed 6-page blab.
                      That makes all the difference
                    10. Simargl
                      Simargl 11 July 2020 07: 32
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                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      You kill animals for pleasure, and you cannot admit it,
                      You also kill animals with the wrong hands and think that your hands are clean. This is a hypocrisy. Eat meat for pleasure. I kill ... for food for pleasure. And pleasure is not murder itself, as you attribute to me, but eating own meat (this is a bonus) meat.
                      If I kill an animal and eat it, I won’t buy an extra piece of meat in the store. At the same time, legally I look like a gun in the swamp, I am a parrot / laugh animals.
                      Those. You are a prude, and I am a little less. That's the difference. The only difference is that you have less effort for "mining" - go to the store, and I have - to the store (for cartridges and other consumables), for a ticket, in a forest / swamp (it is less likely to get someone than you - buy), hand over the ticket ...
                    11. tlauicol
                      tlauicol 11 July 2020 08: 13
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                      I am a hypocrite, and you are a masochist? I hope that this is not so. In any case, you enjoy hunting, preparing for it, tracking and killing. And about food is just another excuse, like about a bear, but you do not find the strength to confess.
                    12. Simargl
                      Simargl 11 July 2020 08: 49
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                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      I am a hypocrite, and you are a masochist?
                      Why a masochist?
                      Do you think pleasure is masochism?

                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      In any case, you enjoy hunting, preparing for it, tracking and killing.
                      Hunting - tracking and prey (we don't call it killing, because killing is about a person, and about animals - slaughter, prey, catching, shooting). Preparing for a hunt is not much different from going for mushrooms and shooting at targets (plates, for example). A hunter can also track. into "murder" ... yes ... really, for food. I have already said that I do not greatly distinguish the slaughter of an animal by me and for me, because I know how it happens. The difference is in the cut. Most of the chicken has not been seen in full ...

                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      And about food, just another excuse
                      Hypocrisy? Village ones also have to carry chicken to a specially trained person (they do this with cattle, by the way)? And what is the difference - to catch a chicken in the pen and take her life, and get a bird? In your opinion - all livestock breeders - maniacs... oh! psychopaths? In your opinion, they should just be crazy: look at the animal for months and choke on drool ...
                      ... Yeah...

                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      like the bear
                      Meet a bear in the city - you will explain how you love the animal world along with police with machine guns. They will shoot, and he will lie down from the second horn, although a hunter with a shotgun will put him down with one or two shots ...
                      To meet moose during a hike with zagriboyagodami - also adrenaline full pants can be obtained.
                      And without hunters, the beast of a person will cease to be afraid very quickly.
                      Moreover, the little men are weak and tasty.

                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      but you do not find the strength to confess.
                      Confess what? Is the extraction / slaughter / shooting of an animal not psychologically insurmountable for me? I seem to have said that. I love to kill? Not.
                      Once you understand that meat-eating is always (at this moment, at least) the slaughter of animals, even if not a feeder, you will not understand me. Try a month to eat meat that you have killed yourself. And even better - fed.
                    13. tlauicol
                      tlauicol 11 July 2020 09: 00
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                      well, if every time you want to eat, you climb with bananas on a birch, then this is masochism. Do you want to convince me that you go hunting to satisfy your hunger? This is also masochism, and most importantly this is not true. The truth is that you are not hunting for food. But feel free to talk about it. However, you are not alone
                    14. Simargl
                      Simargl 11 July 2020 09: 12
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                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      well, if every time you want to eat, you climb with bananas on a birch, then this is masochism.
                      The birch does not hold me - the branches break. However, if this is a birch shop - why not?

                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      Do you want to convince me that you go hunting to satisfy your hunger?
                      If you add the worthless "one of the ways", "enjoying the tracking, prey, being in nature", etc. - Yes. And so - this is a phrase taken out of context. It is not the main source of food.
                      The main, of course, is the store, then - eateries, then restaurants (however, hunting more often), all kinds of exotic sometimes ...

                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      The truth is that you are not hunting for food.
                      Reread the correspondence again 20, if you do not understand that hunting is a complex of events, emotions, etc. which includes the extraction (in your opinion - the killing) of animals, and all of the above (in this post and the previous ones) ...

                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      But feel free to talk about it. However, you are not alone
                      I have said, and more than once, what is the production / slaughter / shooting of animals for me. And I repeat: try to eat at least a month only those who are scored on their own - then we'll talk about who you are - a hypocrite or a consistent opponent of public hunting. Well, meet the bear. Or rat. In the household. Here is the last one - we can discuss it: murder for the sake of destruction, almost genocide ... but you can call specialists ...
  • Simargl
    Simargl 8 July 2020 05: 58
    -1
    Quote: Tlauicol
    Kill for fun.
    You go to the nearest hunting society, look for an intelligent game manager, ask: "What will happen if people don't hunt at all?"
    Get an answer, wonder.
    If anything, when correct organization of bird hunting will not be much anymore, and animals will begin to interfere with people. Which is especially unpleasant - predatory.
    We have a spring (hunting for males) is allowed precisely so that the number of ducks was moreif you don’t know.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 8 July 2020 06: 34
      +3
      You didn’t tell me anything new. I know what hunting is for. But if 10 out of 10 hunters tell you that they hunt to save or increase the number of animals, you can spit in the face of all ten, because they lied. Hunting is entertainment for 99% of hunters, it’s stupid to deny it
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 8 July 2020 06: 54
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        Quote: Tlauicol
        But if 10 out of 10 hunters tell you that they hunt to save or increase the number of animals, you can spit in the face of all ten, because they lied.
        You are misinterpreting.
        I will say this: I follow the rules of hunting, so that my "entertainment" helps to regulate the number.
    2. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 8 July 2020 06: 40
      -2
      Quote: Simargl
      If that - with the proper organization of hunting, the birds will no longer be much, and the animals will begin to disturb people. What is especially unpleasant is predatory.

      kill a beast dangerous to you - yes. kill the beast with friends on the hunt, another.
      the instinct of aggression is inherent in us, I understand this and he himself is guilty.
      but on the contrary, we and the crown of creation so as not to succumb to any instinct like a beast.
      I eat meat, and to kill the owner of the meat so that I eat it I think is normal.
      I do not accept the excitement of hunting for entertainment. those who want sharp sensations can always put on a uniform and take up arms. there are enough places on the planet where soldiers are needed.
      will receive more sensations than from hunting animals.
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 8 July 2020 06: 51
        -1
        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        but on the contrary, we and the crown of creation so as not to succumb to any instinct like a beast.
        Look from the wrong side. Instead of allocating huge money to the army of specially trained maniacs (in your opinion), they take money from thousands of lovers ...
        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        those who want sharp sensations can always put on a uniform and take up arms. there are enough places on the planet where soldiers are needed.
        Well ... I can hardly imagine a duck biting his leg ...
  • would
    would 8 July 2020 08: 39
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    Look at it from the other side. Few people know, but hunting the "Big Five" is of great benefit to animals.

    In order to hunt, you need to pay a lot of money that will be used to protect animals, after which you often need to wait for a quota, and in some cases the hunter is generally led to a specific animal. All this is done so that the hunt does not damage the population. In this case, the hunter can pick up only certain parts of the animal, the rest remains to the local residents (who, on this occasion, arrange a holiday) and / or animals. And it turns out that the hunter is show off and pleasure, and the animals money for protection, including from poachers.
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 10 July 2020 20: 40
      0
      Quote: rait
      in some cases, the hunter is generally led to a specific animal.
      So there is such darkness of these elephants and "unicorns" that everyone has a "passport", so it is not surprising that a non-resident is substituted for a bullet (and there are several of them at any given time, I think). So they can also arrange so that the "hunter" himself (of course himself!) Tracked down ...
  • Asad
    Asad 8 July 2020 09: 01
    +1
    An acquaintance, a hunter mainly behind a boar. But boar meat never eats, it is afraid of parasites!
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 11 July 2020 08: 56
      0
      Quote: ASAD
      But boar meat never eats, it is afraid of parasites!
      Almost all animals can contain parasites, and wild ones contain. You need to take the meat for inspection and heat treatment well.
      If a friend leaves a carcass in the forest, and even with many firearms and knife guns, he’s definitely crazy lol
  • Simargl
    Simargl 7 July 2020 21: 49
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    Quote: Maki Avellievich
    psychopaths who kill animals not for food but for their entertainment,
    Those. need to pick up prey (in your opinion - the victim) and eat? Well, so most do. True, there are purely fur-bearing animals and warmint (in Russia, it seems, it is not popular).
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 8 July 2020 09: 07
    +2
    The issue of African hunts, like all civilized hunts, is a matter of rational nature management and money. This refers to countries where hunting is under control, and not lawlessness.
    1. For these hunts they pay quite a lot of money. In countries where there is nothing, animals are a resource.
    2. The meat goes to the local. The arrival of hunters is almost a holiday.
    3. There are so many beasts that you won’t leave the house evenings. Eat to hell. And the elephant is a nervous animal. Affairs can do more lion. Yes, and eats everything around. Including harm to agriculture. Local people do not have weapons because of poverty.
    4. Never local guides will not allow to kill animals that cannot be killed. Those lions will be substituted by those who have already been kicked out of the pride. He is still not a tenant. Dying of hunger soon. I think that with elephants the same story. And most importantly, such animals are large and represent a good trophy.
    4. The most interesting thing is that in countries where hunting is correctly regulated, there are a lot of animals. And where everything is forbidden, poaching flourishes there, extermination for bribes, etc. The animals disappear and that's it.
    5. As for the chance to beasts ... Anything can happen there. Sometimes this is very dangerous fun. Sometimes a platoon with machine guns is put up next to the hunter to shoot the beast.
    If anything, I'm not a hunter myself.
    1. vonWolfenstein
      vonWolfenstein 11 September 2020 20: 01
      0
      At least someone added objective arguments. Now hunters (real, not poachers) do not shoot anyone. Trophies are obtained, the older the animal, the more it is valued. And for the gene pool, it is better when a younger male comes to the herd, instead of the old goat, which has already been taken out by the hunter, from which sand is pouring, a younger male, so to speak, to improve the breed. Real hunters follow the terms and rules of hunting. Do not shoot vigilantes, for example, or deer. And the number of the beast needs to be regulated is also important, because man has intervened so much in the life of the planet that there is almost no natural regulation. And what about hunting, our ancestors were hunters and this habit is inherent in all of us, just for some it is strongly driven into the nooks of the subconscious. The hunter is not a killer.
  • Bormanxnumx
    Bormanxnumx 7 July 2020 18: 30
    +1
    . This ammunition is rightly considered the most powerful pistol cartridge in the world and the most powerful cartridge available in the civilian small arms market

    Regarding "the most powerful cartridge on the civilian market," the author clearly got excited) Probably a more correct formulation of "the most powerful cartridge for civilian free-charge weapons"
    1. Deck
      Deck 7 July 2020 19: 05
      +4
      And what then is the Barrett M82 with a 50bmg cartridge and an energy of about 20 J? 000-7 thousand dollars, redneck’s dream.
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 7 July 2020 19: 13
      +3
      Quote: BORMAN82
      Probably a more correct formulation of "the most powerful cartridge for civilian freezing weapons"
      Even funnier: this is the redone most powerful cartridge for self-loading pistols (under the long trunk - below wrote).
  • Catfish
    Catfish 7 July 2020 19: 09
    +3
    [quote ...] stop any vehicle, even a light armored car, [/ quote]
    Light armored car? I doubt it would be such a bullet to stop him. hi
  • Simargl
    Simargl 7 July 2020 19: 12
    +4
    Created by the arms makers of the American company Big Horn Armory, the semi-automatic rifle AR-500 is the most powerful in the world.
    And the author did not hear about PTSD?

    The AR-500 rifle, depending on the cartridges used .500 Auto Max demonstrates muzzle energy from 4000 to 6000 J.
    Cartridge 14,5x114 - this is for 30 kJ, i.e. 5-8 times more.

    The rifle was specially created for the .500 Auto Max cartridge, which, in turn, is a modification of the .500 Smith & Wesson (12,7x41 mm)
    All of a sudden ... this is a pistol cartridge (.500 S&W), so the first guess is more phlegmatic powder for a longer barrel.

    However, now in the US civilian arms market, a semi-automatic rifle of the same caliber as the famous Soviet DShK machine gun is available.
    Understood that under a pistol cartridge.
    But even the Russian hunter is available OSV-96 (12,7x108, 16 ++ kJ).

    According to the assurances of the developers, with this cartridge, the AR-500 rifle is suitable for hunting the largest game, including the "Big African Five" (elephant, rhino, buffalo, lion and leopard).
    Only a person with a normal trunk should insure foolishness wassat
    ... and then shoot first tongue

    In short!
    The author did not understand the issue and issued a super-gun (for those who are pained to shoot from the Desert Eagle) for some kind of prodigy.
  • Usher
    Usher 7 July 2020 21: 28
    +5
    What about Barrett? Did not hear? Why did the author decide that they do not know semiautomatic machines 12,7?
  • KSVK
    KSVK 7 July 2020 22: 58
    +2
    made of special stainless steel with nitride coating. Such a coating gives the metal extra hardness, and also provides high corrosion resistance.

    Extra hardness, yes. But the carbonitration of the barrel gives corrosion resistance mainly to “black” trunks.
    Perhaps more powerful than a rifle in the civilian market for small arms is impossible to find.

    It is not.
    and also effective against various vehicles. The latter attracts the attention of not only professional hunters, but also special forces soldiers who could use this weapon to solve various tactical tasks.

    The author, well, about the "efficiency against vehicles" and tactical tasks, I laughed.
    I understand that most likely this is a repost of the brochure, but on VO, then post a similar nonsense nonsense is somehow not comme il faut. wink
    With the correct and reliable fixation of the rifle, it does not exceed the sensation of the return on firing from a weapon with .300 Winchester Magnum cartridges (7,62x67 mm).

    If wrong too. Cartridges with comparable energy.
    And although the 5,56-mm munition can accelerate to a speed of more than 1000 m / s, the energy of such a bullet does not even come close to .500 Auto Max,
    .....
    This is about three times the muzzle energy of the standard NATO munition 5,56x45 mm.

    And if this 500th compare with a 152mm howitzer? laughing
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 8 July 2020 08: 00
      0
      Quote: KSVK
      And if this 500th compare with a 152mm howitzer?
      And what, strongly kicks in a shoulder? wassat
      Shoot from the "Separatist" - how?
  • KSVK
    KSVK 7 July 2020 23: 09
    0
    Quote: Deck
    Poor elephants ...


    Elephants will survive. Bullshit journalists and do not kill. To begin with, the author would need to check the material he comments on. The energy of a bullet depends on the mass of the bullet and its speed. Speed ​​depends on the amount of gunpowder and its energy. The amount of gunpowder depends on the size of the sleeve (volume) and is limited by the maximum allowable pressure in the breech (otherwise it will break). Therefore 3800 j. And this is approximately like Mosinki. Welcome to the world without ads! tongue

    Please do not mix warm with soft. 25,9 grams at a speed of 660 m / s will give 5641J. This is more than the "mosinki".
  • KSVK
    KSVK 7 July 2020 23: 15
    0
    Quote: Sergey_G_M

    12,7x55 is weaker in energy, but it will do better with an elephant and a car.

    Do not confuse ABSOLUTELY different cartridges. For different purposes.
    But with an elephant ... a round bullet of 500-ki on supersonic is preferable.
    Look at the design of 500 and 700 nitroexpress.
  • KSVK
    KSVK 7 July 2020 23: 21
    +1
    Quote: Maki Avellevich
    the psychopaths who kill animals not for food but for their entertainment cause me a great deal of hostility.

    And I have a strong dislike of the bigots who eat animal food, but at the same time yelling about the innocently killed cows and pigs on every corner. And also even more insane hmm, people who personally limit the normal functioning of their body, refusing to use animal protein.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 7 July 2020 23: 42
    +3
    But if you are going to hunt big game or you need to be guaranteed to stop any vehicle, even a light armored car, then the AR-500 is what the doctor ordered.
    Do not listen to stupid advice.
  • Freedim
    Freedim 7 July 2020 23: 53
    0
    Hunters laughing

    500 Nitro Express
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 8 July 2020 06: 28
      +1
      Quote: FreeDIM
      Hunters
      It . Impulse - about 25 kg x m / s. It’s like from an MP-153 with 89 rounds of maximum chamber weight: it hurts, but the barrel is dropped ...

  • sen
    sen 8 July 2020 05: 24
    +1
    This rifle and cartridge were shown in the documentary series "Weapons of the Future". They shot at the car's engine to stop it.
  • KSVK
    KSVK 8 July 2020 10: 29
    0
    Quote: Simargl

    Shoot from the "Separatist" - how?

    You constantly compare smooth with rifled. This is fundamentally wrong.
    Firstly, in a smooth one, a fast-burning gunpowder is used, which gives a powerful impulse in a short time, since the acceleration of a shot charge mainly occurs until the main wad comes out of the case. Those. a very short period of time. In rifled, slow-burning gunpowder is used and the acceleration of the bullet continues along the entire length of the barrel. Since the bullet goes tightly along the barrel on one side and the sleeve closes the barrel on the other. The pressure acts on the bullet until it leaves the barrel. And the recoil is much more "extended" in time than in a smoothbore. Plus, don't forget about the weight of the weapon. The lower its weight, the stronger the recoil, other things being equal. And sniper rifles usually have thick, long, heavy barrels. Unlike thin-walled smooth ones.
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 10 July 2020 02: 30
      0
      Quote: KSVK
      You constantly compare smooth with rifled. This is fundamentally wrong.
      Why? Does the bullet not spin? Is the accuracy different?

      Quote: KSVK
      Firstly, quick-burning gunpowder is used in smooth
      For starters, gunpowder is very different for different shells.

      Quote: KSVK
      which gives a powerful impulse in a short time, since the acceleration of the shot charge mainly occurs until the main wad comes out of the sleeve. Those. a very short period of time.
      As in the rifled - the first about 25 cm.

      Quote: KSVK
      Since the bullet runs tightly along the barrel on one side and the sleeve closes the barrel on the other.
      The rupture of gases in the rifled, sometimes stronger than the smoothbore. And at a smooth trunk, strangely enough, gases press in a lock through a sleeve.

      Quote: KSVK
      Pressure acts on the bullet until it leaves the barrel.
      As in smooth.

      Quote: KSVK
      And the recoil is much more "extended" in time than in a smoothbore.
      Not. A smooth barrel is usually longer and a slower projectile.

      Quote: KSVK
      Plus, do not forget about the weight of the weapon. The lower its weight, the stronger the return, all other things being equal.
      Not the lower the weight, but the smaller the difference in mass between the projectile and the weapon. You are not very good at physics, it seems. And my fault - I did not fully describe the impact of recoil: I thought comparing impulses would be enough. The fact is that the bullet momentum and the recoil momentum are approximately the same (the recoil is stronger if there is no DTC due to the momentum of the powder gases), but the arrow affects the arrow - energy. But it is difficult to calculate it - here it is also necessary to take into account the moments, and the influence of the rate of gas outflow ...
      Okay, I’ll add in an extremely simple form ...

      Quote: Simargl
      Quote: Vicontas
      What is the impact of this "St. John's wort"?
      Let's count and estimate ...
      Such a bullet does not have a high speed, its maximum flight speed does not exceed 660 m / s (for a bullet weighing 25,9 g)
      .
      By the way, the rifle itself weighs more than 4,5 kg, and with a magazine for five rounds .500 Auto Max can add another half a kilo
      Bullet pulse - P = 660x0,0259 = 17,094 kg x m / s,
      shotgun charge impulse is 12-15 kg x m / s, but shotgun mass is 3-3,5 kg usually. So it's about the same. The shotgun most likely kicks harder - there is almost always no DTC.
      The speed of that rifle is 3,8 m / s, the energy, respectively, is 33 J.
      For a gun it will be 22-35 J.
      But due to the moment (balance relative to the barrel bore) the gun can kick stronger even with a lower momentum.

      Quote: KSVK
      And sniper rifles usually have thick, long, heavy trunks.
      They are still trying to attract central heating on the axis of the barrel.

      Quote: KSVK
      Unlike thin-walled smooth.
      What does it have to do with it?
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 10 July 2020 02: 51
      0
      ... I forgot for 64g and MP-153 ... it's almost 90 J - not at all weak.
  • psiho117
    psiho117 11 July 2020 22: 07
    0
    semi-automatic rifle AR-500 is the most powerful in the world

    Hmm, the author, maybe the sturgeon should be cut back?
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 14 July 2020 02: 35
    0
    The article inspired by: https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2020-07/1594683323_127-mm.jpg
  • LeftPers
    LeftPers 21 August 2020 16: 05
    0
    "..to hunt an elephant ..." why hunt him? I'd love to shoot this stinking hunter.