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Deputy Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine: The coordinates of the columns of Girkin in 2014 were transferred, but there were no implementation of these coordinates

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Serviceman of the 72 brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (2020)


The Ukrainian media published an interview with the Deputy Secretary of the Council of National Security and Defense of Ukraine Sergey Krivonos. It is dedicated to the events of 6 years ago in the Donbass. Then Krivonos served as head of the defense headquarters of the Kramatorsk airfield.

According to Krivonos, the forces of the ATO (anti-terrorist operation - approx. “VO”) “could stop the convoys of militants.” By militants in Kiev continue to understand the defenders of the Donbass.

Krivonos states that “there was evidence of the preparation of Girkin’s columns from Kramatorsk.” According to him, the coordinates were available, but there was no "implementation of these coordinates."

How can it be explained in Ukraine that the coordinates of the ATO command had Igor Strelkov’s detachments, but no actions were taken against these detachments during their withdrawal from the encirclement?

The reference goes to the chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Viktor Muzhenko. In this position he was in the period from 2014 to 2019. According to Mr. Muzhenko, from using aviation and the artillery of the Armed Forces refused, as this could lead to civilian casualties. Muzhenko claims that in the case of a large number of civilian casualties "there would be a different attitude to the forces of the ATO."

Strange argumentation. For some reason, the AFU for some reason “caring for civilians” did not prevent the center of Lugansk from bombing. To crush people with armored vehicles in Mariupol - too ...

Recall that on July 5, 2014, the Armed Forces of Ukraine took control of the cities of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk after the detachment of Igor Strelkov (Girkin) detachments from there. Now the authorities of Ukraine celebrate July 5 as "the day of liberation of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk."
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  1. Rusland
    Rusland 6 July 2020 08: 50 New
    12
    Did Vysotsky sing about them, accomplish the feat of arms - burned the house, etc.
    1. novel66
      novel66 6 July 2020 08: 58 New
      10
      he wrote a lot about them - that’s: "orderlies rushed in and recorded us" my respect hi
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 6 July 2020 09: 11 New
        +8
        I'm out of business, out of such a good thing!
        He didn’t take anything - fell off in what the mother gave birth.
        Not then, what impatient to me, - just time has ripened,
        Because of the blue mountain, I got other things.
        Roma hi
        1. novel66
          novel66 6 July 2020 12: 18 New
          +3
          Volodya! hi
          Here I found out for sure
          How much is she - a penny. ...
      2. Rusland
        Rusland 6 July 2020 09: 36 New
        +4
        Greetings Roma hi there they also chopped all the oaks into coffins. smile
        1. novel66
          novel66 6 July 2020 12: 19 New
          +5
          Well, when will our battalion commander spin the earth ???
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 6 July 2020 12: 54 New
            +4
            Finally, we were ordered to advance,
            To take away our spans and crumbs,
            But we remember how the sun went back
            And almost went into the East.

            We wait !
      3. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 6 July 2020 18: 11 New
        +1
        The tales of these second-hand fabulists look ridiculous. In the Donbass alone, more than 150 children died. These scum should sit on the pancreas
  2. Pereira
    Pereira 6 July 2020 08: 53 New
    +2
    Turned up?
    They do not know how and were afraid.
    1. Alena Frolovna
      Alena Frolovna 6 July 2020 16: 03 New
      0
      Over the years, you can say anything and try to make yourself “good and smart” so that everyone thinks of them as the most “decent”. And after all, no one will check and dig in the past: "And in what has been said now that "Could stop the columns of militants". is there any truth? "Moreover, thinking normal people know that a lie is the main engine of everything and everything in this land, and various kinds of tubercles and tubercles from time to time try to remind themselves of themselves and credit themselves with an imaginary" victory ".
  3. Kerensky
    Kerensky 6 July 2020 09: 01 New
    +2
    Agreed?
    1. avg
      avg 6 July 2020 09: 19 New
      +4
      Idiocy! .
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 6 July 2020 10: 31 New
      +2
      the coordinates of the Ukrians were also known and they made the right decision - they were not realized according to Girkin’s coordinates
    3. makasan34
      makasan34 6 July 2020 15: 08 New
      +2
      Yes, a hundred pounds agreement, this whole situation 1 resembles Chechen
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 July 2020 09: 04 New
    +4
    The coordinates were transferred, but there were probably a lot of them ... And which of them were true - no one could find out. So we decided to do nothing ...
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 6 July 2020 09: 53 New
      +9
      Maybe you remember how the Mi-24 APU mistakenly hit a convoy of its own troops? I don’t remember what year it was, but after this article I thought, is this not the case when the coordinates of the type were, but lupanuli in their own way?
    2. Cananecat
      Cananecat 6 July 2020 09: 53 New
      0
      Hitting squares is not an “erroneous” spot air raid on civilians.
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 6 July 2020 09: 06 New
    +6
    Confusion and staggering in the minds of the Ukrainian military. No one can make a decision, in the same way they gave Crimea, there was no person ready to take responsibility
    1. Alexey Polyutkin
      Alexey Polyutkin 6 July 2020 09: 28 New
      +1
      Orders to open fire were given, but they were effectively intercepted and prevented from being reported to the units. Watch the movie Crimea Way Home.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 6 July 2020 09: 39 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexey Polyutkin
        Orders to open fire were given, but they were effectively intercepted and prevented from being reported to the units. Watch the movie Crimea Way Home.

        Are you exaggerating the possibilities of the militia during the climax that could have become a tragedy, comparing their capabilities with the capabilities of the RF Armed Forces?
        The question is not rhetorical, but from a person who is more or less aware of what was happening then ...
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 6 July 2020 10: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexey Polyutkin
        Orders to open fire were given, but they were effectively intercepted and prevented from being reported to the units. Watch the movie Crimea Way Home.

        Yes, stop it. The unit commander needed to get an order, otherwise he is not aware that the cities are occupied by units without identification marks? Well then, let's talk about the oath
    2. ver_
      ver_ 7 July 2020 05: 15 New
      0
      ... and they needed it? ..., in the name of which they could become a cargo of 200 ..
  6. Andrea
    Andrea 6 July 2020 09: 37 New
    +5
    The main thing in military affairs, as well as bureaucrats, is a quality excuse!
    10000 victims do not give rise to a bad opinion about the punitive.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 July 2020 10: 53 New
    +3
    If, yes, if only ... History does not have a subjunctive mood, therefore, what happened is what happened. And you cannot forbid appointing dates of holidays (celebrations), especially if there is nothing more to boast of.
  8. iouris
    iouris 6 July 2020 12: 33 New
    -3
    And what can you do?
    I can dig, but I can not dig.
  9. Cristall
    Cristall 6 July 2020 13: 54 New
    -14
    Strange argumentation. For some reason, the AFU for some reason “caring for civilians” did not prevent the center of Lugansk from bombing. To crush people with armored vehicles in Mariupol - too ...

    and someone fired at Kramatorsk Tornado ...
    And he called the loss of civilian-related and acceptable ..
    And for some reason Russian authors do not mention this.
    These are the "defenders" ...
    Kramatorsk and Slavyansk were indeed liberated, and now there is peace in these cities. Let it be a poor Ukraine. But not a gray shot zone with an incomprehensible present and future. Yes, and after the shelling of Tornado, which the inhabitants of Kramatorsk will remember these "defenders" for a long time.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 6 July 2020 15: 48 New
      +3
      Well, why, we know how the APU bombarded Kramatorsk with Tornadoes. And not only him. And not only the residents of Kramatorsk will remember their "liberators" for life.
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 6 July 2020 22: 15 New
        -7
        Quote: 1976AG
        hire as APU fired at Kramatorsk with Tornadoes. And not only him. And not only the residents of Kramatorsk will remember their "liberators" for life

        sure. Themselves.

        In general, despite the unfortunate side effect of the shelling in the form of losses among the civilian population of Kramatorsk, the purely military result of this unexpected shelling is very significant. In addition to the voiced 29 wounded and 5 killed military and two damaged helicopters, the shelling led to the evacuation of the ATO headquarters and the combined army aviation group from the airfield.

        https://bmpd.livejournal.com/1280471.html
        so here
        all this is an unfortunate side effect ... for the Russians.
        1. Prisoner
          Prisoner 8 July 2020 08: 41 New
          0
          Gone and to hell with them. Few of them with their own mortars "hammer" to the "heavenly hundred" added, a little they fell intoxicated and drunk each other? The experience of self-destruction is huge. And then heaped down from a sore head to a healthy one, they say Russian troops are blah.