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Feast of the Disappeared Sea Power

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Ukraine celebrated Navy Day. It is clear that we cannot but notice this holiday. We can’t already because, according to new data from Ukrainian historians, this is one of the most “age” fleets in the world. It was the Ukrainian sailors back in 907 CE made a brilliant sea voyage to Constantinople and won in June-July of the same year near Constantinople. And they were led by the great Ukrainian Kiev prince Oleg!


For quite some time I was looking for a fact to which the holiday was “attached”. And found it. On July 5, 1918, a law on uniform for the Ukrainian was promulgated fleet. It’s a good date. True, there are other, reserve, dates “just in case”. So, on July 18, 1918, the law on the naval flag of Ukraine was adopted, and a little later a whole naval compound of Ukraine was created - a team of minesweepers! ..

It is clear that studying the finds of Ukrainian historians today is quite interesting. How interesting it is to listen to any specialist who is “turned” in some business. However, there were real facts. Already in modern stories Ukraine. July 21, 1992 patrol ship SKR-112 raised the Ukrainian flag and came under the jurisdiction of Ukraine. There were the first tactical exercises "More-96" July 30 - August 1, 1996.

The uniforms turned out to be more important simply because the remaining dates are very close to Russian Navy Day. Although the first Day of the Ukrainian Navy, which was established by decree of President Kuchma by a decree of August 17, 1996, was celebrated on August 1, it was tied to the Sea-96 exercises.

But there was a time when Ukraine was truly a sea power. Recently. Some 20-25 years ago. Remember the painful division of the USSR Black Sea Fleet? Decrees of Kravchuk (April 6, 1992) and Yeltsin (April 7) on the transfer of the fleet to the jurisdiction of Ukraine and Russia. Remember the reaction of the crews of the ships to these decrees? Almost open confrontation, which led to the abolition of both decrees.

And then five painfully long years of division of the fleet. Remember the famous scene of taking the oath by the crew of a submarine? This is almost a documentary story through which many sailors and fleet officers went then. But on July 1, 1997, the Ukrainian Navy was formed. Look at the composition of the fleet at the end of 1997:

- a large submarine Zaporozhye (B-435);
- three frigates: Sevastopol (Striking), Dnepropetrovsk (Selfless), Nikolaev (Immaculate);
- corvettes "Odessa" and "Sumy";
- sea minesweepers "Cherkasy" and "Yellow Waters";
- three missile boats;
- 39 supply vessels;
- 4 command posts;
- 2 communication nodes;
- 2 hospitals, etc.

I will specially list the total composition of the Ukrainian Navy: 43 ships, 132 ships and boats, 12 aircraft, 30 helicopters, 227 coastal fleet facilities, a large number of equipment and weapons, a huge amount of ammunition. How all this was exploited by the Ukrainian fleet, we saw in 2014.

I recall conversations in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine at that time. To questions about equipment and ammunition that were thrown in the Crimea, they then directly said: "Unsuitable for use." At the same time, Russia was actually accused of the fact that twenty years ago the Russians specially transferred unsuitable combat vehicles and ammunition.

By the way, according to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, in 2014, 51 ships remained in the Crimea. Only 10 ships and vessels went under the Ukrainian flag to Odessa. The rest "surrendered." The layout of the fleet then was as follows: a third went to Ukraine, a third quit and a third went to the Russian Navy. Agree, this is an indicator of the attitude of the sailors themselves to the Ukrainian fleet.

Russia returned 35 ships to the Ukrainian sailors that could somehow sail, well, or sail - more precisely in this case. Remember, removing hats, about the submarine "Zaporozhye".

Today, the Ukrainian fleet corresponds to the status of the state. Alas, all the talk about the revival and the “great sea power” is just a pipe dream. A warship is not a picture on the wall. Bought, hung and see. A ship is a living creature that needs a lot to live. Therefore, there are no "sailors in general." Each sailor is part of his “own” ship for life.

Today, the Navy consists of two brigades of surface ships, two security and support divisions, and a search and rescue vessel division. The fleet is located at three bases, however, one is still under construction. The main base is in Odessa, the Western Naval Base. The southern base of the Navy is in Nikolaev, where Donuzlav was moved from the Crimean Gulf. The Azov base is in Berdyansk with additional bases in Mariupol and Genichesk.


Photo from the parade on the Day of the Navy APU

The combat strength of the fleet is 18 ships. The flagship of the fleet is the frigate “Getman Sagaidachny” (age 25). There is also a landing ship “Yuri Olefirenko” manufactured in 1970, a missile boat “Priluki”, a landing boat “Svatovo” (now under repair), 10 artillery boats, two landing assault boats “Centaur” and two patrol boats of the Island class. Add to the combat structure of 40 auxiliary vessels and boats. Some, like the tugboat Yana Kapu, have machine guns.

I will not mention about a dozen border boats and about 30 auxiliary vessels of border guards. Just because they are not part of the fleet of the "great sea power."

I imagine how mockingly the congratulations on the holiday were sounded for veterans of the USSR Navy, which were voiced by the first persons of Ukraine. Here is what the speaker of the Rada Dmitry Razumkov said:

The naval forces have always played an important role in ensuring the defense capability of our country. Ukraine is a sea power, and we are proud of those who protect its citizens and borders on the water.

But President Zelensky outdid everyone:

Crews of ship and boat personnel and marine aviation, divisions of the maritime sector - we will never allow anyone to destroy the Black Sea security system. And our state goal is to systematically increase your power. We know how in past years the Naval Forces of Ukraine in many senses of this word tried to destroy and sink. I will not just not allow this. I will do everything for the Ukrainian fleet to be a model of power, modernity and become the real pride of Ukraine. So that we are a sea power not in the distant memories of the past, but in the real present and near future.

The Navy will be the strongest fleet in the Black Sea ... Even me, a land person, is sad to hear this heresy. Especially in the context of the further speech of the leader of Ukraine:

The most important are state tests of the Ukrainian rocket complex Neptune. Its adoption will make us an even stronger player in the waters of the Black and Azov Seas. Also in the immediate plans is to get the Island and Mark VI boats as part of US military assistance.

That's why Zelensky’s congratulations to military sailors look like a mockery:

Today the whole country congratulates on the professional holiday of the guardians of the sea borders of our country. Brave and indestructible people who are day and night standing in defense of the south of our country. Those who, quoting the march of the Navy, "will become a breast for the Black Sea, our wonderful and magical Crimea." These are our Ukrainian sailors. We are proud of you. We thank you.



Of course, they will become breasts ... On American decommissioned "Islands" and Poroshenko-made artillery boats. Such is the festival of the vanished sea power.

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  1. Rusland
    Rusland 6 July 2020 08: 31 New
    +6
    There, during the parade, some admiral “revolver” instructed in the direction of Russia. An example is visible to all the ships with the crews filed. smile
    1. Shurik70
      Shurik70 6 July 2020 08: 47 New
      +9
      The author is a troll! drinks
      1. Machito
        Machito 6 July 2020 10: 02 New
        34
        In fact, the Great Ukrainian naval commander, Grand Duke of Kiev Prophetic Oleg is a Russian Novgorod prince who came from Veliky Novgorod (an ancient Russian city near St. Petersburg) and captured Kiev by force, taxing Kiev residents. So even more than a thousand years ago, St. Petersburg had Kiev.
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 6 July 2020 13: 29 New
          -25
          Quote: Bearded
          In fact, the Great Ukrainian naval commander, Grand Duke of Kiev Prophetic Oleg is a Russian Novgorod prince who came from Veliky Novgorod (an ancient Russian city near St. Petersburg) and captured Kiev by force, taxing Kiev residents. So even more than a thousand years ago, St. Petersburg had Kiev.

          I must admit that Helg was neither Russian nor Ukrainian prince.
          But he willingly ascribe to himself that the Russian Federation that Ukraine.
          Our peoples were so dense in comparison with the newly arrived Vikings that there was no one even to pay tribute to .. But the trade route was what was important.
          All the same, the climate squeezed out the excess population from Scanadinavia.
          1. mister-red
            mister-red 6 July 2020 22: 21 New
            +7
            I must admit that Helg was neither Russian nor Ukrainian prince.
            But he willingly ascribe to himself that the Russian Federation that Ukraine.
            Our peoples were so dense in comparison with the newly arrived Vikings that there was no one even to pay tribute to .. But the trade route was what was important.
            All the same, the climate squeezed out the excess population from Scanadinavia.

            Oleg, as it were, was not a prince at all, he was the brother of Rurik (possibly) and was regent of the young prince Igor. But he came from the North, from Russia, to Kiev, which was the main city (the capital of the present) glades. But the city was captured before him by Askold and Dir, who were some military leaders of Rurik. In fact, they are all invaders for Ukrainians. And Olga genocide their other branch, Drevlyan. So Ukrainians attribute them at least stupid, especially the Pskov Olga.
            Regarding the Vikings or the Vikings - at that time it was a force and they had nightmares all over Europe, from the Germans to the Franks.
            At the expense of the denseness of peoples, I would be careful: in fact, the Vikings are the same Mongols - they themselves did not produce anything and lived in robberies. But the Mongols had an empire, and the Vikings were ordinary robbers - they came by water (sea or river), they robbed and left. So they are dense.
            1. Cristall
              Cristall 6 July 2020 23: 02 New
              -11
              Quote: mister-red
              Oleg, as it were, was not a prince at all, he was the brother of Rurik (possibly) and was regent of the young prince Igor

              I agree, but under his command there was military force. And the one who possesses the power already represents something.
              It’s just funny how Helga and Helga are made “Russian” “Russian” or “Ukrainian” ..
              YES they were neither those nor these. Vikings they were.
              Although the story is written by politicians. Today, for the sake of pleasing them, they call it that. Otherwise they will not pay
              So Helg / Helga and other Vikings became Oleg (namesake) Olga, Igor, etc.
              Although the option of slagging in the future also had a place to be. But later!

              Quote: mister-red
              In fact, they are all invaders for Ukrainians. And Olga genocide their other branch, Drevlyan. So Ukrainians attribute them at least stupid, especially the Pskov Olga.

              It would be not the first time to explain that if Ukrainians, like Russians, consider Russia their history, then they will completely privatize it.
              So Novgorod, Ladoga, Pskov were their own in the Ukrainian version of history. And there were purely internal disassemblies.
              You take into account that Ukraine and the Russian Federation consider everything to be their own equally.
              Although it was neither Ukrainian nor Russian.
              Quote: mister-red
              Regarding the Vikings or the Vikings - at that time it was a force and they had nightmares all over Europe, from the Germans to the Franks.
              At the expense of the denseness of peoples, I would be careful: in fact, the Vikings are the same Mongols - they themselves did not produce anything and lived in robberies.

              slight contradiction. Strength and produced nothing ..
              In the course that it is enough to have the strength to banal conducting (protection) trade?
              Especially good conditions for trading were knocked out for themselves. And the empire often hired.
              The Varangians were more developed and united than the Slavs in a certain period of time.
              Then yes .. Helgi dissolved and turned into Olegov / Ol ..
              1. mister-red
                mister-red 7 July 2020 19: 48 New
                +1
                Quote: Cristall
                The Varangians were more developed and united than the Slavs

                To begin with, we will decide on the teminology. The Vikings were called the military units of the Scandinavians, who were hired for service.
                Vikings are different tribes at a fairly low level of development, no statehood. No writing. They didn’t produce anything, so at the expense of development this is not the topic. Cohesive - yes of course. Warlike and skillful warriors.
            2. ver_
              ver_ 7 July 2020 05: 01 New
              -4
              .. well, yes - Mongolia was founded in 1920-1922 by Lenin = Blank and Baron Ungern .. - with what hangover do you identify Mogolia (great) and Mongolia ...
          2. gsev
            gsev 7 July 2020 16: 44 New
            -3
            Quote: Cristall
            All the same, the climate squeezed out the excess population from Scanadinavia.

            Tur Heyerdahl at the end of his life studied the hearth of the Scandinavian peoples, conducting excavations in the Melitopol region. He believed that it was from there that the ancestors of the Vikings moved to Scandinavia. Apparently about 2000 years ago. Among the elite of the Slavs, it was customary to hire guards from non-Slavs. The Tatar cavalry was the first to attack in the Battle of Grunwald. Chechen special forces beautifully neutralized the militants from the Crimean Tatars upon the return of Crimea. The decision of immigrants from the Caucasus not to impede the redistribution of land in Ukraine and no longer serve the landlords ensured the triumphal march of Soviet power in southern Russia, and then a successful guerrilla war against the German, French occupiers and their White Guard puppets.
          3. DeKo
            DeKo 9 July 2020 13: 54 New
            +2
            But nothing that Outskirts did not exist then?
          4. Machito
            Machito 9 July 2020 14: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: Cristall
            Quote: Bearded
            In fact, the Great Ukrainian naval commander, Grand Duke of Kiev Prophetic Oleg is a Russian Novgorod prince who came from Veliky Novgorod (an ancient Russian city near St. Petersburg) and captured Kiev by force, taxing Kiev residents. So even more than a thousand years ago, St. Petersburg had Kiev.

            I must admit that Helg was neither Russian nor Ukrainian prince.
            But he willingly ascribe to himself that the Russian Federation that Ukraine.
            Our peoples were so dense in comparison with the newly arrived Vikings that there was no one even to pay tribute to .. But the trade route was what was important.
            All the same, the climate squeezed out the excess population from Scanadinavia.

            In fact, the Vikings called Russia Gardarika - a country of cities. The dense England and France had a different name. So, in comparison with urban Russia, savages lived in the West. The Vikings traveled all over Europe and they could compare who lives and how.
        2. andrew42
          andrew42 10 July 2020 14: 57 New
          +1
          In addition, Oleg - this was only the beginning of a long-playing historical tradition. And then Vladimir from Novgorod came to Kiev “on the hard line” (although I do not like this Christianizer, but a fact is a fact). And Yaroslav Vladimirovich the Wise, he went to Kiev TWICE with Novgorodians to expel Svyatopolk the Cursed. Maybe Kiev is the “mother of Russian cities”, but not all of them, and the mother is very bad. Daddy Novgorod constantly had to bring his darling to jittery :))
        3. zenion
          zenion 10 July 2020 20: 42 New
          0
          Shame on you, do you think that Oleg would have popped anywhere? He didn’t find it in the garbage.
        4. Uralean
          Uralean 1 August 2020 20: 09 New
          0
          There was no Peter then. Peter was founded only in 1703. At that time there were Novgorod, and Staraya Ladoga, the capital of Rurik. That is, the Novgorodians had Kievs. At first, Rurik's boyars Askold and Dir had them. And then Prince Oleg had Kiev and Askold with them. That is, the people of Kiev have someone all the time. Either the Khazars, or the Rus from Ladoga and Novgorod.
      2. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa 6 July 2020 10: 13 New
        +7
        A submarine pull on the bottom?
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 6 July 2020 10: 14 New
        +5
        we will never allow anyone to destroy the Black Sea security system. And our state goal is to systematically increase your power. We know how in past years the Naval Forces of Ukraine in many senses of this word tried to destroy and sink. I will not just not allow this

        ANOTHER 2-3 YEARS OF SUCH POPPAGANDA AND UKRIANS WILL BEGIN TO BUILD Aircraft carriers of 70 tons for export.
        JACK, VATNIKI.
      4. Eldorado
        Eldorado 6 July 2020 10: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Shurik70
        The author is a troll! drinks

        Level 80 Troll!
        1. zenion
          zenion 10 July 2020 20: 44 New
          0
          Are you right that they allow themselves ?! About the dead - only good, or not a word!
    2. Civil
      Civil 6 July 2020 19: 07 New
      +3
      Yes, all these are the bits of a powerful Navy of the USSR.
    3. Lohmatyi_imperator
      Lohmatyi_imperator 11 July 2020 06: 52 New
      0
      The fleet of Ukrainians looks deplorable.
  2. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 6 July 2020 08: 31 New
    +5
    Thank God that none of the ships during the parade went to the bottom .... what are all the same clowns and headed by the Main Clown ....
    1. Pavel73
      Pavel73 6 July 2020 08: 55 New
      40
      You can squeeze as much as you like, but all these baustriks of the already new young westernized generation. And when they are completely de-Russified, they will put real weapons in their hands. The West found a brilliant solution: to kill Russians with the hands of other Russians, previously ossified. To do this, all this crap called "Ukraine" was invented.
      1. Asad
        Asad 6 July 2020 11: 30 New
        0
        The most sober comment!
      2. lopvlad
        lopvlad 7 July 2020 18: 13 New
        -1
        Quote: Pavel73
        they will put real weapons in their hands


        and now, in your opinion, it is apparently a toy. Or is a javelin a children's toy?
        Since 2014, the West has been arming Ukraine with real lethal weapons, but it does not forget about economic benefits. It only sells for what the Ukrainian authorities can pay, and therefore some have the false opinion that the West is in no hurry to equip Ukraine with lethal weapons.
        If Ukraine had money from the United States, I believe that even one of their decommissioned aircraft carriers would be sold to them.
        1. Pavel73
          Pavel73 8 July 2020 06: 34 New
          -1
          A cracker called Javelin is a flower. Berries will be called F-16, Apache, BGM-109 (better known as Tomahawk), Abrams, and others. Free of charge, for the sake of "protecting the civilized world from the Eastern barbarians" (but in fact for the sake of direct benefit by the economic weakening of Russia and Europe through a large but sluggish squabble between the Russians and the so-called "Ukrainians").
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad 11 July 2020 03: 09 New
            0
            Quote: Pavel73
            Berries will be called F-16, Apache, BGM-109 (better known as Tomahawk), Abrams, and others. Gratis


            The West and gratuitousness are the same incompatible things as a woman with reduced social responsibility and virginity. We saw this in the 90s by all the people of Russia on ourselves.
            1. Pavel73
              Pavel73 11 July 2020 09: 03 New
              +1
              Combine if they find it profitable.
  3. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 6 July 2020 08: 34 New
    +3
    Big Top))) all the Black Sea countries shuddered that day) though laughing)
    1. Pavel73
      Pavel73 6 July 2020 09: 14 New
      11
      There’s nothing to laugh at, alas. Ahead of a big war. And I still do not see the slightest reason that it was not there. Under our careless laughter in Ukraine, cannon fodder is grown against us. The West is growing. And he does not care who wins this war, the main thing is that no one win as long as possible.
      1. your1970
        your1970 7 July 2020 18: 14 New
        -1
        Quote: Pavel73
        Ahead of a big war. And I still do not see the slightest reason that it was not there. Under our careless laughter in Ukraine, cannon fodder is grown against us. The West is growing.

        So you think that if a big war begins with Ukraine, then Europe and the US will sit aside?
        Мы economically more than half a year of war
        И all they understand this very well ...
        That in the event of a war of the level "from 100 tanks or more crossed the border of the Russian Federation" we will be FORCED out depending on "Brotherly / partially fraternal / not at all fraternal people" use the entire arsenal of military equipment, including nuclear weapons ...
        And everyone will get here ... Even if they sit quietly and be silent in a rag to all NATO ....
        1. Pavel73
          Pavel73 8 July 2020 06: 27 New
          +1
          So there will be a war of "up to 99 tanks" level. The problem is that the West raised pogans who are capable of any nasty things outside of logic and common sense, but at the same time are not directly responsible for this. The West will arm these pogans, they will arrange a provocation for a provocation, increasingly large-scale and arrogant. But directly blaming the West for this will be impossible. Accordingly, nuclear weapons cannot be used, otherwise we will immediately become “bad guys” not only for the West, but also for the East. Here the West will maintain the state of such a squabble between Russians and former Russians. To turn Ukraine into an impassable wall and prevent an economic unification of Russia and Europe.
          1. your1970
            your1970 8 July 2020 09: 06 New
            -1
            Quote: Pavel73
            Accordingly, it will not be possible to use nuclear weapons, otherwise we will immediately become "bad guys" not only for the West, but also for the East.

            If the question arises about possible the use of nuclear weapons - good or bad will be irrelevant ...
    2. Eldorado
      Eldorado 6 July 2020 11: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: carstorm 11
      Big Top))) all the Black Sea countries shuddered that day) though laughing)

      Not all. Georgia was really scared of power - the weaknesses of the Navy. bully
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    2. Pavel73
      Pavel73 6 July 2020 09: 17 New
      +4
      What difference is both shit. Kuchma is perhaps even worse.
      1. alone
        alone 6 July 2020 09: 26 New
        0
        Well, there’s enough shit everywhere ... But the fact remains the fact .. The factory director signs a presidential decree .. Do you see the difference?
  5. barin
    barin 6 July 2020 08: 52 New
    10
    Yes, it’s sad, of course, such a Fleet is torn apart (I'm talking about the BSF of the USSR Navy)
  6. Galleon
    Galleon 6 July 2020 09: 06 New
    -3
    Just rejoice that "the cow died from a neighbor"? Somehow vile and primitive ...
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 6 July 2020 09: 52 New
      -3
      Quote: Galleon
      Just rejoice that "the cow died from a neighbor"? Somehow vile and primitive ...

      Another article about the Ukrainian Navy, to the delight of local cheers-patriots. Together with the Arctic, two win-win topics in recent years
      1. Oleg Skvortsov
        Oleg Skvortsov 6 July 2020 10: 59 New
        +8
        Sorry, Michael. Personally, I took this article as a simple banter of the author. especially about the "Ukrainian fleet" in the 10th century. further it was possible not to read. Since Ukraine is just a political Frankenstein, everything that was before the end of the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st does not apply to it.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 6 July 2020 11: 17 New
          0
          Oleg, simply the Ukrainian fleet since 2014, there is no word at all. But at the same time on VO, articles about him are regularly published. It somehow got to the point of absurdity - at the same time articles were published about our fleet (they took the ship into the composition) and Ukrainian (they didn’t accept anything, everything was bad). So to the article about our fleet of a dozen two comments, about theirs for a hundred fellow
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 6 July 2020 12: 10 New
            +4
            Generally, the chief of their Navy said that he was ready to fight with our fleet. if this is not a reason for the article then what then?)
            The naval forces of Ukraine are preparing for full-scale military operations with Russia, Rear Admiral Aleksey Neizhpapa, commander of the military fleet, said in an interview with the Duma newspaper. He also noted that Ukraine intends to "return" Crimea
            The prophet of these clowns no one would have recalled if not for such constant statements. every year they are invading ... something else ... you realize that we are talking about a country that is an open enemy.
    2. Cristall
      Cristall 6 July 2020 13: 32 New
      -5
      Quote: Galleon
      Just rejoice that "the cow died from a neighbor"? Somehow vile and primitive ...

      If Ukraine did not exist, it should be invented ...
      It would be very bad without this topic.
      And pride and comparison, and spitting, and ridicule ..
      and so .. US debt, America is about to collapse ... EU will collapse ...
      The volcano will wake up and other REN TV pieces are already tired.
      However, the Ukrainian theme is also in the liver ..
      But this holy-cow is a neighbor.
      (two expressions at once, about the log and about the cow)
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 6 July 2020 16: 07 New
        0
        That's right, Crystal.
        Annoying here is this attempt to "educate" the reader through "someone else's trouble - double joy." This was not the case under the Union: they stigmatized (and in the case) imperialism, militarism, but they wrote about other people's foreign troubles with concern, and not rubbing their hands joyfully. Your minusers do not understand that gloating over the enemy leads to the loss of their honor. Customers have no honor in honor, the task is to create a herd.
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 6 July 2020 23: 07 New
          -3
          Quote: Galleon
          Annoying is this attempt to "educate" the reader through "someone else's trouble - double joy"

          Well, it’s easiest to direct “utilize” the attention of the people to what they are familiar with.
          In this case, Ukraine is perfect.
          Otherwise, its log creeps out unsightly. But focusing on someone else's mote and the neighbor’s cow can always be distracted. At the same time, get proud = we are better at our place.
          Double benefit. And kicked and proud.
          Quote: Galleon
          This was not the case under the Union: they stigmatized (and in the case) imperialism, militarism, but they wrote about other people's foreign troubles with concern, and not rubbing their hands joyfully.

          because it was the USSR. The second superpower. She is not up to the neighbor's cows or logs.
          She led politics all over the planet.
          A shtetl (oh, sorry regional) showdown and impoverished propaganda had no time to do.
        2. your1970
          your1970 7 July 2020 19: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Galleon
          This was not the case under the Union: they stigmatized (and in the case) imperialism, militarism, but they wrote about other people's foreign troubles with concern, and not rubbing their hands joyfully.

          Yeah, C. Haidar was especially pleased with his hunger strike
    3. Mikhail Alexandrov
      Mikhail Alexandrov 11 July 2020 15: 00 New
      0
      And who prevented it from being restored ????? Since the raguli are stupid and French ... What fleet is ?????? What are you talking about ????? They could not put one submarine on the move ..., tfu !! !
  7. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 6 July 2020 09: 07 New
    +3
    ... a vanished sea power

    It remains to ask what victories and over whom this “naval power” won? We would be glad that the name of the country began to be mentioned in connection with the whipping to Russia ... And then the sphincters tore themselves, blowing "glory to the Ukrainian fleet" ... lol
  8. svp67
    svp67 6 July 2020 09: 18 New
    +2
    I imagine how mockingly the congratulations on the holiday were sounded for veterans of the USSR Navy, which were voiced by the first persons of Ukraine.
    Zelensky is an artist, his ability to read any texts should already be automatic, but how he read out congratulations .... negative It's just a shame. Well, you can’t do that.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 6 July 2020 09: 58 New
    +1
    Is the author worried about ukroflot?
    1. Oleg Skvortsov
      Oleg Skvortsov 6 July 2020 11: 00 New
      +3
      he doesn’t worry - you just need to write something about what is not
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 6 July 2020 11: 07 New
        +1
        Ahhhh ..... type of topic about a bigfoot, flying saucers smile
    2. Cristall
      Cristall 6 July 2020 13: 34 New
      -7
      Quote: parusnik
      Is the author worried about ukroflot?

      just compared to it - things in the Russian Federation can always be rated very well.
      All subjects are focused on distractions. Comparisons with other fleets of leading and even medium-sized countries cannot be written. Although it is necessary.
  10. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 6 July 2020 11: 47 New
    +1
    Crying Ukraine, crying. You yourself are a traitor and executioner ...
  11. iouris
    iouris 6 July 2020 12: 16 New
    0
    Ukraine has never been a power. Under the treacherous Bandera government power does not become. This is the path of decay, decay and self-destruction. "Nothing" can disappear, it is a logical mistake.
  12. xomaNN
    xomaNN 6 July 2020 12: 42 New
    +2
    The flagship of the Navy is the PSKR without strike URO, with one 100 mm AU. Three TFR 1135 projects, inherited from the section, went into scrap. And out of 3 of the same type, quite one “running” frigate could be assembled. Such is the attitude to ships in the “sea power” of U. And now any “used” Yankee boat is welcome.
    1. Mikhail Alexandrov
      Mikhail Alexandrov 11 July 2020 15: 06 New
      0
      Indians are glad and beads and panties ... laughing
  13. BAI
    BAI 6 July 2020 13: 16 New
    +1
    To study the finds of Ukrainian historians is quite interesting today

    Not just interesting, breathtaking.
    Especially at the junction with other sciences, such as geography.
    A geography textbook for Grade 8, recommended for Ukrainian schools by the Ministry of Education. page 271:
    “... the geographical names of western and southern countries and peoples, such as Galatea, Galilean, France (Gaul), Galicia in Spain or Portugal (Porto Gallia), probably indicate that the ancestors of modern French, Spanish, Portuguese, Jews and Turks could come to these lands from Ukrainian Galicia. "

    Where is Russia with its thousand-year history. Ukrainians are the ancestors of all, including Pithecanthropus. Therefore, the fleet they have is the oldest (maybe in the literal sense of the word).
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 6 July 2020 13: 38 New
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      Quote: BAI
      probably indicates that the ancestors of the modern French, Spaniards, Portuguese, Jews and Turks could come to these lands from Ukrainian Galicia

      A school geography textbook for the 8th grade of authorship by Peter Maslyak, which became widely known on Saturday May 16 due to statements about the origin of the world's peoples from the Galicians and the non-Slavic origin of Russians, Belarusians and Bulgarians, was already deleted from the official website of the Ministry of Education on Sunday May 17.
      They reacted on time. Although they should have not put it at all.
      And then the laurels of LDNR and other authors of the "diggers" of Ukrainians and Russian superethnoses - do not let many sleep.
      According to the article. The author deliberately touched the old topic about the Ukrainian fleet.
      Well, they have a holiday - no, you have to spit, and then be surprised ... well, then this is no respect for the Russians .. Bandera probably because .. Russophobes ..
      Forgive the respected author - you yourself have raised more than one thousand “Bandera” riveting articles for cheers of patriots ...
      The Russians themselves made a lot of “Bandera” their comments. And at least pushing themselves away from others in their greatness.
      Until soft power and respect you still grow and grow. Not yours.
      If you want respect for at least neutrality, do not write anything about Ukraine. Do not give food for the cheers of the Russian spill patriots. Better write news about the Russian fleet.
      Each topic is an extra "Bandera" from Russian Ukraine.
      And you and many others have already done them, "Kamenev, Kharaluzhny, etc."
      And further. As it turned out, you also translate and weakly Ukrainian words of your own in the article ..
      attributed what is not.
      Very bad. Despite the fact that in the article you put yourself in the knowing person.
      1. BAI
        BAI 6 July 2020 14: 03 New
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        was removed from the official website of the Ministry of Education

        So what? They removed it from the site, left it for sale and at schools.
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 6 July 2020 23: 12 New
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          Quote: BAI
          So what? They removed it from the site, left it for sale and at schools.

          honestly, if there is one in schools, then in very small quantities.
          In addition, after removal from the list, they will get rid of it quickly.
          There are many different textbooks for geography of the 7th grade.
          Maslyak is generally a scandalous author to acquire it initially.
          On sale, we can have anything. A free country - if there is a demand from what and not to sell.
          But the schools will be removed. He was disgraced greatly.
  14. alone
    alone 6 July 2020 13: 59 New
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    Strange .. Of course, I was pleased to note that the author corrected the mistake that he made in the article, but for what the respected Staver (Domokl) deleted my comment, it is not clear. Under the rules there was nothing to delete the comment ... Very sorry negative
  15. Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 6 July 2020 15: 17 New
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    Joke. 3 rust troughs of under-territory-404: D
  16. Suslin
    Suslin 6 July 2020 15: 32 New
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    Hmm, but there was much to be proud of. All galloped on the Maidan.
  17. Nikita, f
    Nikita, f 6 July 2020 17: 21 New
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    Hah, and taking into account the lack of horizontal target designation for Neptune, its range is only 70 km (the range of the radio horizon for radars on the shore), although Ukraine has not yet purchased these radars)
  18. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 6 July 2020 18: 45 New
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    yes, how much you need to write has never been this country and, accordingly, never had its fleet
  19. Revolver
    Revolver 6 July 2020 19: 03 New
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    And why didn’t the article even mention the beauty and pride of the Ukrainian fleet, the Ukraine missile cruiser? What is not a counterweight to “Moscow”, and Moscow, and we swear mos ... ? Oh, sorry, they can also ban us for this word, so let's just say those "hto not jump." lol
  20. Alf
    Alf 6 July 2020 19: 11 New
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    Remember the painful division of the USSR Black Sea Fleet? Decrees of Kravchuk (April 6, 1992) and Yeltsin (April 7) on the transfer of the fleet to the jurisdiction of Ukraine and Russia. Remember the reaction of the crews of the ships to these decrees?

  21. Pushkar
    Pushkar 6 July 2020 19: 51 New
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    Well, I'm glad for Zelensky, as the Ukrainian proverb says - "
    God forbid our calves ’vka z'ysti."
  22. Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 7 July 2020 05: 41 New
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    . Ukraine celebrated Navy Day. It is clear that we cannot but notice this holiday.

    Well, the theme of coronavirus subsides for a while and the theme of "Ukraine" begins to be downloaded into the brain of a layman
  23. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 7 July 2020 11: 41 New
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    ***
    Twenty Pairs of Lace Briefs

    And one battle toilet

    Lost in an unequal battle

    Ukrainian maritime special forces ...

    ©
    ***
  24. pleschakovai
    pleschakovai 7 July 2020 20: 46 New
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    "Strength", scary already horror !!! laughing fool soldier
  25. Vdi73
    Vdi73 8 July 2020 02: 11 New
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    Okay, they don’t have a fleet, they have iron, they’ll cut it, they will hand over the loot, they will order, but they don’t have to go to the sea, if not for the generous souls of our leaders
  26. Pavel57
    Pavel57 8 July 2020 16: 44 New
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    The flute player is pretty.
  27. RoTTor
    RoTTor 8 July 2020 17: 36 New
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    Near-Sea Pririchnapya country that has corrupted everything that it inherited from the OI and the USSR.
    The Russian Federation needed compensation to demand the plundered maritime merchant, fishing, scientific, technical, space fleet, naval construction, ports and naval ships - which were maintained at the expense of the UNION budget.

    But how much stink from any ... neishpop
    https://narodna-pravda.ua/2020/07/08/zsu-pokazali-yak-znishhat-okupantiv-u-chornomu-mori/?fbclid=IwAR2fcb37bnwo6LJbyHQAV5cq8v-NLkiijjtxiEI-m92BpLz3uldDuqo2iKA
  28. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 8 July 2020 21: 38 New
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    By God ... Some kind of baby talk ...
    For a moment, the Navy UA is increasing its fleet. Real capable units. If from somewhere from Nizhnevartovsk this is not to be seen, then it is wonderful to see from here.
    And all this grouping will be the Black Sea Fleet and the Russian Federation "poison all hard labor" with all possible forces and methods. Is it really necessary to explain simple things ?!
    With the advent of a sufficient grouping of the same boats, UA has the freedom of maneuver. They will actively begin to conduct provocative / very likely sabotage actions.
    Guided by the doctrine that they consider all territories their own. And they can do what they want there.
    Nowhere by the way, this doctrine has not been canceled in the world community.
    I mean, as it seems, Comrade Sylvester (and he is a very clever guy) said just now, obviously not cold events are planned in the end ...
  29. Shura Wii
    Shura Wii 9 July 2020 00: 18 New
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    Tseevpprpa ... Embroidery breasts will cover the geyropeytsy from hordes of damned Muscovites.
  30. Alexander Barinov
    Alexander Barinov 9 July 2020 05: 13 New
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    Sagaidachny, Mazepa, Shevchenko, Grushevsky, Skoropadsky, Petliura, Banderka Shukhevychna, Karavchuk, Yushchenko, Mrs. Timoshenko, Waltsman, Avakov, Kolomoisky, Zelensky - which of them was a naval commander? These are nits.
  31. DeKo
    DeKo 9 July 2020 13: 29 New
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    Ushakov and Nakhimov were also Ukrainians. So once Poroshenko said
  32. Dmitry Donskoy_2
    Dmitry Donskoy_2 10 July 2020 06: 48 New
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    Free Slavs.
  33. andrew42
    andrew42 10 July 2020 15: 00 New
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    Ukrainian Navy? - they don’t speak badly about the dead. Better be silent.
  34. georggy
    georggy 10 July 2020 15: 41 New
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    There was never a naval power called Ukraine; there was the USSR.
  35. Lohmatyi_imperator
    Lohmatyi_imperator 11 July 2020 06: 50 New
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    I remember how the boat "Priluki" sank during the parade.
  36. Dmitry Popov
    Dmitry Popov 30 July 2020 16: 52 New
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    Guys. I was once again shamed. I am a reserve officer of the Navy since Soviet times. An absolute patriot of Russia. But Ukraine is somehow all the same ... I have a bunch of relatives there, we communicate normally. Well a shame. Look, even a land man on the shelves puts everything quite competently. And I can't look at the neighbors without crying. Their hetman sai gai dacha ... Well, the thunderstorm of the depths of the 641 project, which already in the early 80s, could not be anything else than a museum exhibit ... In short. In short, some kind of vague inner shame. Interspersed with laughter, of course.
  37. Polar Bear
    Polar Bear 16 August 2020 10: 26 New
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    You can certainly laugh the good reason is. But you can also look at how many people from Ukraine were admirals in the USSR, how many ships were built there and which ones. Ukraine is a tragedy for Russia and the Russians living in Ukraine. The enemies managed to split us, play off and embroil, bringing Bandera's underdogs to power. Ukraine is not a power, not a state, it is a severed part of Russia.
  38. Roman Lenivov
    Roman Lenivov 9 September 2020 20: 04 New
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    Mdaaa "Saiga Dachny" is a ship !!! I wouldn't put a finger in his mouth.
  39. Sergey Gintner
    Sergey Gintner Yesterday, 21: 24 New
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    "Также в ближайших планах — получение катеров «Айленд» и «Марк VI» в рамках военной помощи со стороны США...." Позорище...