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Russia is confident that Turkey will not sell the S-400 to the United States: the Chinese Sohu argues

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Russia is confident that Turkey will not sell the S-400 to the United States: the Chinese Sohu argues

In the Chinese edition of Sohu, material was published in which the author discusses the initiative of one of the American senators regarding the possible redemption of Russian S-400 Triumph systems from Turkey. Recall that earlier Russian officials noted that such resale was impossible, and that Russia could impose sanctions.


An author in the Chinese Sohu, C. Changfeng writes that "Russia is so sure that Turkey will not resell the acquired S-400 to Americans." And then he tries to figure out where Russia has such confidence.

The author writes that Russian experts are training Turkish soldiers to operate an anti-aircraft missile system in Turkey.

And Turkey finds itself in a strange situation - either by selling the S-400 to the Americans, quitting the case without completing the training of its military personnel, or by completing the training course to its logical conclusion and after that selling the S-400 air defense system to the Americans. Both of these options look ridiculous in the first place for Turkey itself.

Moreover, there is no guarantee for Ankara that the United States will be “satisfied” with one requirement. If Recep Erdogan makes concessions to the S-400, then the pressure on him from the US will only increase, in addition, relations with Russia will come down to a completely different level - much lower.

And given the fact that only a few years ago, Erdogan could become a victim of a US-supported coup, and it was Russia that helped Erdogan then, the Turkish president clearly does not have much confidence in the United States.
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  1. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 5 July 2020 14: 13 New
    16
    Turkey will always sell hated Russia, and for expensive and promising.
    1. marchcat
      marchcat 5 July 2020 14: 29 New
      +3
      Whatever Turkey does, it will still be a loser. They will sell it, you can forget about good relations with Russia, and after taking what they need, the Americans will throw one hell out of it.
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 5 July 2020 15: 29 New
        0
        Without selling the S-400, you can simply provide quiet access to the system to NATO allies. Then prove that Turkey has broken something, and in the meantime secrets will go to the West.
        “At the moment, Ankara does not comment on the ongoing S-400 tests. The Turkish defense department reported that the deployment is already underway, which should confirm that the Russian systems are already tested and ready to be put on combat duty, however, this does not exclude that Ankara decided to show the Russian systems to its NATO partners in order to avoid critics - this is quite acceptable and therefore the timing of the adoption of the “Triumphs” into service was shifted to the end of this year, ”the analyst notes.

        https://avia.pro/news/turciya-rossiyskie-s-400-ne-proshli-ispytaniya-prinyatie-sistem-na-vooruzhenie-otsrocheno-do
        1. loki565
          loki565 5 July 2020 16: 06 New
          +2
          So we ourselves proposed to buy the US C400 without intermediaries))) Export options are always stripped down
          1. Charik
            Charik 6 July 2020 00: 04 New
            -2
            Not We, but He, and in my opinion not the S400 ZRS, but hyper-rockets
          2. Charik
            Charik 6 July 2020 22: 44 New
            -2
            did you disagree with a minus? We didn’t offer anyone, but he sold nonsense, say I’m wrong
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 July 2020 14: 15 New
    +1
    Are there really no "bookmarks" in our export versions of complex equipment? In the event of misbehaving buyers, a command is sent over the radio ... And the object's software is irreversibly damaged. Or not on the radio ... or a replacement key that works for a certain time, and then you need a fresh one, and there is no place to get it.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 5 July 2020 14: 24 New
      +4
      Export samples always have worse performance characteristics than those supplied to their own troops. The American air defense system Patriot did not shine, and does not shine with characteristics. And the study of Soviet complexes S-200 and S-300 did not help the Americans in any way. Even if the Turks sell themselves to the Anglo-Saxons once again and betray Russia, once again giving the S-400 for study, this is not the S-400 Triumph that guards our borders ..
      1. Roman123567
        Roman123567 6 July 2020 09: 41 New
        -2
        This is not the S-400 Triumph that guards our borders ..


        So straight and not that .. The engines are the same, but 95% percent is exactly the same !!
        The differences are most likely mostly in software ..
        And the construct itself, the technology - nothing will hurt to copy ..
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 July 2020 14: 31 New
      -4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Are there really no "bookmarks" in our export versions of complex equipment?

      And here is the latest news, an experienced, but rather promising weapon has appeared.
      MOSCOW, July 5. / TASS /. The range of guaranteed destruction of targets by prototypes of Russian electromagnetic guns in the framework of the ongoing field tests was brought up to 10 km, previously they could effectively shoot at a distance of 1-2 km. This was reported by TASS two sources in the military-industrial complex.
  3. businessv
    businessv 5 July 2020 14: 17 New
    0
    And given the fact that only a few years ago, Erdogan could become a victim of a US-supported coup, and it was Russia that helped Erdogan then, the Turkish president clearly does not have much confidence in the United States.
    As to Russia, judging by all his actions, Turkey is a member of NATO, but a temporary alliance with Russia is not supported by anything, except that we have built a gas pipeline and are building nuclear power plants at our own expense, which is very difficult to call profitable, and most importantly, reliable deal.
  4. Sergo go
    Sergo go 5 July 2020 14: 18 New
    +3
    American sanctions are significantly more significant than Russian ones
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 5 July 2020 14: 22 New
      0
      Really? As practice shows, the Turks are more worried about “tomatoes” and our resting byd lobbod than for the same
      F-35
      1. Sergo go
        Sergo go 5 July 2020 14: 24 New
        +1
        this is what they say in our tv, but in fact, Turkey is stubbornly bending its stick, despite any agreements
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 5 July 2020 14: 29 New
          0
          Stubbornly bends the stick and does not go on about the states.
          1. Sergo go
            Sergo go 5 July 2020 14: 32 New
            +2
            Quote: 1976AG
            Stubbornly bends the stick and does not go on about the states.

            ... while constantly merging Russia
          2. Left shot
            Left shot 6 July 2020 10: 26 New
            0
            Can supporting arguments be given for deeds, not words?
  5. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 5 July 2020 14: 18 New
    0
    the Turkish president clearly does not have much confidence in the United States.

    A big politician is such a thing that the logic of an ordinary person does not always work there. "Trustworthy" or not, but will do as it does.
  6. fn34440
    fn34440 5 July 2020 14: 22 New
    -2
    These gadgets were given to the Turks on credit, not a single payment was received for them, i.e. in fact, this product belongs to Russia.
    The cunning janissary holds Russia in this matter by the skin of cocktails.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 5 July 2020 14: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: fn34440
      These gadgets were given to the Turks on credit, not a single payment was received for them, i.e. in fact, this product belongs to Russia.

      This is not so ... the advance has been paid.
      12 September 2017 of
      1. fn34440
        fn34440 5 July 2020 14: 39 New
        -3
        "
        It is not ... the advance was paid. "
        What is the dollar amount? Rubles.? Turkish lira?
        Or maybe an Islamized Georgian paid in lari? Interesting to hear.
        Especially for you: According to the general director of Rostec Sergei Chemezov, Turkey is buying from Russia four S-400 divisions worth $ 2,5 billion, 55% of the contract amount - Russian loans. No payment has been made yet. "
        1. VyacheSeymour
          VyacheSeymour 5 July 2020 18: 58 New
          +2
          Especially for you: According to the general director of Rostec Sergei Chemezov, Turkey is buying from Russia four S-400 divisions worth $ 2,5 billion, 55% of the contract amount - Russian loans. No payment has been made yet. "


          And this is especially for YOU:

          In December 2017, Turkey and Russia entered into an agreement for the supply of four divisions of the Russian S-400 air defense systems. The cost of the contract is $ 2,5 billion. At the same time, the Russian loan for the supply of S-55 to Turkey will cover 400% of the deal, the head of Rostec Corporation Sergey Chemezov explained to the Kommersant newspaper.


          Maybe you should not juggle ???
      2. VyacheSeymour
        VyacheSeymour 5 July 2020 18: 33 New
        +1
        The advance payment was paid not on September 12, but on May 17th.
        On September 12, Erdogan announced that the advance payment was made (first installment).
        Well, on September 29th:
        The Kremlin talked about the entry into force of a contract for the supply of Turkey's S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) of Russian production. Relevant statement by the Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation on Military-Technical Cooperation Vladimir Kozhin TASS reports on Friday.

        At the same time, according to the official, no negotiations have been conducted on the supply of S-400 production technology to the Turkish side - the customer will receive only ready-made weapons.

        “The contract has entered into force, the advance payment has been paid, I can’t say yet for the terms”

        So, fn3444 ... made a dash (unproven) ... and requires evidence to the contrary ...- down to the penny, and to clarify who
        (only from only known and trusted persons) and at what angle did he hold the candle ...
        Armenia itself repeatedly receives weapons on bad loans, but it does not bother him.
      3. VyacheSeymour
        VyacheSeymour 5 July 2020 19: 09 New
        0
        Sorry, but in the previous comment I have a typo: "in May 17th.
        On September 12, Erdogan declared ... "- correctly on May 18, - because
        The contract was concluded in December 2017.
  7. fider
    fider 5 July 2020 14: 24 New
    0
    Place bets - Turkey will sell Russia or not.
  8. Lesorub
    Lesorub 5 July 2020 14: 56 New
    +2
    Turkey will not resell acquired S-400 to Americans

    The Sultan is not so stupid that he would go on a provocation with the sale of the C 400 to the Americans, after all, these complexes were acquired just taking into account the failed coup (second-hand USA).
  9. Klingon
    Klingon 5 July 2020 14: 58 New
    0
    Quote: marchcat
    Whatever Turkey does, it will still be a loser. They will sell it, you can forget about good relations with Russia, and after taking what they need, the Americans will throw one hell out of it.

    Now, if they sell the S-400 ,. All the same, they won’t get penguins, since striped snakes will start saying that they can’t supply such serious equipment to an unreliable NATO partner. wassat
  10. codetalker
    codetalker 5 July 2020 15: 01 New
    +1
    And most importantly, Turkey needs complexes to protect against air intrusion. Those that work if the invasion is on the part of NATO allies.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 5 July 2020 15: 08 New
      +1
      It is precisely at the consoles that the Turks should sit and not the Gaster from NATO with their own complexes. Otherwise, we’ll get these knocked down, we won’t knock them down, we’ll also point out the plane where Erdogan is located.
  11. Kelwin
    Kelwin 5 July 2020 15: 19 New
    +1
    Well, to study the mattresses, you don’t need to buy anything, you can dig deeper at the place of deployment, if you succeed in squeezing the sultan. Another thing, one must think such an option is provided and they won’t find anything useful there, well, or should not, at least. But we need to find out who and where tried to stick his nose) is also useful information.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 5 July 2020 15: 31 New
      +1
      They picked at 300, even Old Man at 90 sold something from C 300. Everything is clear how everything works, It is not clear why C 300 crashes, if in their opinion it should not be knocked down. We have non-translatable, obscene, dictatorial software, but not advanced demacratic. We are definitely not Indians writing it.
      1. Kelwin
        Kelwin 5 July 2020 17: 18 New
        0
        Quote: tralflot1832
        We have non-translatable, obscene, dictatorial software, not advanced demacratic software

        This is unambiguous) Plus, the element base is unprecedented, until you figure it out, three presidents will change. And there will be no Rayteon and Boeing trying to reverse all this - it will not bring money, only losses. They will study the modes and that's all ... But they are also not complete zeros, they probably understand that the "E" index is not just worth it. Kmk, they are just afraid of the presence of undocumented operating modes, otherwise the f35 will fall from heaven, well, or something like that. Maybe they are rightly afraid)
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 5 July 2020 17: 29 New
          0
          Many years ago. Someone on VO posted the article Dependence of Order Execution on the language of communication in time. And so the article was funny, and in general discussion "FIRE" Urzhal. The meaning is if our people switch to Russian folk two times faster, everything will be executed. So this is the modern language for programming Russian high-tech weapons.
      2. Mikhail Ya2
        Mikhail Ya2 6 July 2020 09: 18 New
        0
        Only one question, whom does the S-300 shoot down, where and when?
  12. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 5 July 2020 15: 29 New
    0
    I'm (of course) not a fan of the Turks, but they won't sell the C400. What do we have in Turkey's diplomacy today - from the policy of "zero problems" with neighbors, the Turks have quarreled today and with almost everyone (probably only with us they did not quarrel ...).

    Entered Syria, entered Libya, problems with Cyprus. Yes, even though the S900 will be sold to amers, they will again be under sanctions for their other tricks. So they do not need to sell your air defense systems - the West will crush them anyway. If not today, then tomorrow or next year - the Islamist Erdogan will not suit anyone.
  13. maiman61
    maiman61 5 July 2020 15: 58 New
    0
    Turkey bought the S-400 with one goal - to create its own air defense system of the country! If they sell the US complex, then Turkey will not have its own air defense system! Since the Americans learn to bypass the S-400, and this does not meet the national interests of Turkey!
    1. Polymer
      Polymer 5 July 2020 16: 24 New
      0
      Quote: maiman61
      it does not meet the national interests of Turkey!

      The most powerful argument, probably. But, and there are nuances here - everything is tied to the personality of Erdogan, and his interests are not the same as the "national interests of Turkey." But how will the Americans manage to ... remove him from power? Then the further behavior of Turkey becomes unpredictable. So there is still a risk with the sale of the S-400.
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 5 July 2020 17: 28 New
        0
        In the USA, they missed all chances to repeat the coups in Turkey. If the Turks have withstood all the onslaught, then in a few years it will not even be possible to talk about the theory of the coup and bring their man to power. The Turks caught the thread of government and technological development. years, and by days. It was not long left for Turkey to become a comprehensively developed power in all areas.
        1. Polymer
          Polymer 5 July 2020 17: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Oquzyurd
          Turks if now have withstood all the onslaught

          I don’t think this is "all onslaught." It just became unprofitable for the United States, for some reason, to eliminate Erdogan, they decided to wait and watch. Everything can still change, and even the NATO partnership will not stop them.
  14. VyacheSeymour
    VyacheSeymour 5 July 2020 20: 45 New
    0
    About 12-15 years ago, Israel gained access to its software encodings
    F-16x. Following them, the Turks struck him. From this moment only the USA, ISRAEL, TURKEY are able to attack any same F-16 of any country. Previously, all F-16s were shield friendly for each other.
    The same applies to other models, as well as air defense systems, etc. - this is the so-called NATO compatibility - protection against defeating a friendly target. The Israelis are the only ones who today can change the parameters of the F-35 ...
    PETRIOTS are also not able to fire on friendly ones (consider
    state and not only production) goals. So tell me: Can the Turks exchange the S-400 for the Patriot, despite the fact that Israel has completely controlled aviation and air defense (of its own production), and in Greece are not controlled by NATO S-300? And Arab litter (armed with NATO toys) is not the most calm neighbors.
  15. Left shot
    Left shot 6 July 2020 10: 13 New
    0
    Of course not sell. She is silent as a member of NATO will provide. Pray-Balabol added another article of treason.