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HFA combat aircraft attacked Turkish air defense systems

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HFA combat aircraft attacked Turkish air defense systems

The Libyan national army of Khalifa Haftar attacked the important air base of El Watiy, 100 km from Tripoli. According to TASS, citing a Libyan military source, the strike was dealt a military aviation LNA.


According to the agency’s source, the LNA Haftara’s combat aircraft struck the territory of El-Vatyy air base, which is of strategic importance, last night. It is emphasized that during the attack, air defense systems deployed at the base of the Turkish military were destroyed. The exact amount of destroyed equipment is not called, nor is it reported on the number and composition of the aircraft of the VLA participating in the attack on the base.

The Libyan National Army Air Force attacked military equipment at the base of El-Batu. The Turkish Hawk anti-aircraft missile systems deployed there, the radar systems and the KORAL EW systems were destroyed

- said the source of the agency, adding that the presence of the wounded and dead among the Turkish military is not excluded, but there is no official information about this.

The interlocutor also said that the raids were carried out only after the Minister of National Defense of Turkey Hulusi Akar and the head of the General Staff of the Turkish Armed Forces Yashar Guler left the territory of Libya, who arrived in the country at the invitation of the Government of National Accord (PNS).
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  1. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 5 July 2020 14: 04
    36
    Good summary)
    1. WILL
      WILL 5 July 2020 14: 07
      10
      All in color! Still to understand - what kind of aircraft used ....
      1. mdsr
        mdsr 5 July 2020 14: 33
        17
        Quote: ANIMAL
        All in color! Still to understand - what kind of aircraft used ....

        Logically, it was the Su-24 or MiG-29, recently delivered by Russia. To make it ancient Egyptian 21 MiGs would be very, very difficult. It’s good that they destroyed the Corals. It was under their cover that the Turkish Bayraktars could imperceptibly come close to the Shells and destroy them. Without cover, the Corals and Anok Bayraktaras are not so effective.
        1. Eldorado
          Eldorado 5 July 2020 15: 34
          +3
          Quote: mdsr
          Quote: ANIMAL
          All in color! Still to understand - what kind of aircraft used ....

          Logically, it was the Su-24 or MiG-29, recently delivered by Russia. To make it ancient Egyptian 21 MiGs would be very, very difficult. It’s good that they destroyed the Corals. It was under their cover that the Turkish Bayraktars could imperceptibly come close to the Shells and destroy them. Without cover, the Corals and Anok Bayraktaras are not so effective.

          It seems like a MiG-23.
      2. Eldorado
        Eldorado 5 July 2020 15: 33
        +2
        Quote: ANIMAL
        All in color! Still to understand - what kind of aircraft used ....

        The attacks were allegedly inflicted by the MiG-23.
      3. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 5 July 2020 15: 40
        +9
        Quote: ANIMAL
        All in color! Still to understand - what kind of aircraft used ....

        They say about MiG-29. The answer for the Carapace crept unnoticed.
        Libyan Air Force MiG-29 fighters famously cracked down on Turkish MIM-23 Hawk air defense systems.

        The Air Force of the Libyan National Army, using the MiG-29 fighters, which were recently handed over to the Haftar army, successfully cleared the al-Vatiya airbase, spreading Turkish air defense systems. As a result of the launch of 9 missiles, all four Turkish air defense complexes were destroyed, while two tanks and one of the shelters were destroyed, where, according to preliminary data, Turkish attack drones were located. It is noteworthy that the MIM-23 Hawk complexes defending the airbase not only could not oppose anything to Russian-made aircraft, but did not even notice their approach.

        https://avia.pro/news/rossiyskie-mig-29-nanesli-udary-po-aviabaze-al-vatiya-unichtozhiv-tureckie-pvo-mim-23-hawk
        1. Gorecc
          Gorecc 5 July 2020 16: 07
          -26 qualifying.
          copy and paste these fake guns more)
      4. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 5 July 2020 15: 57
        +4
        I wonder what kind of air defense systems were there. Here already advertised almost one of the best Turkish air defense in the world, and here such anti-advertising))))
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 5 July 2020 18: 10
          +2
          Quote: TermNachTER
          I wonder what kind of air defense systems were there. Here already advertised almost one of the best Turkish air defense in the world, and here such anti-advertising))))

          SAM "Hawk" + mobile control center + loaders. The Turks swear at the Emiratis, allegedly for the fact that it was their Mirage-2000 planes that took off from Egypt, and not the Haftar Air Force, who takes responsibility for it. It is not yet clear exactly who is involved.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 5 July 2020 18: 24
            +1
            Is the hawk old or modified by the Turks? Something has been unlucky for our sworn friends lately, then the "bayraktars" are massively "pouring in", now their air defense has been "washed away"))))
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 5 July 2020 21: 03
              0
              Quote: TermNachTER
              Old hawk or modified by the Turks? Something is unlucky for our sworn friends lately, then the "bayraktars" are massively "pouring in", now their air defenses are "washed away"))))

              This is the second air defense system "Hawk", which they have lost since the beginning of this year.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 5 July 2020 21: 46
                0
                A trifle, but nice. More often than such news. Maybe then the Turks will cease to engage in designer crazy hands, and buy medium-range air defense systems from Russia.
          2. Charik
            Charik 6 July 2020 00: 37
            -2
            And Mirage2000 can shoot PRR or how it will kill an air defense system (unless Hawk is hello)
        2. The comment was deleted.
      5. g1v2
        g1v2 5 July 2020 22: 25
        +2
        Infa slipped that the Turks were actually hit by the French, who arrived from Mali. And LNA only took responsibility. Macron at the Sultan was greatly offended by the incident with the frigates.
      6. Grits
        Grits 6 July 2020 06: 58
        0
        Quote: ANIMAL
        All in color! Still to understand - what kind of aircraft used ....

        There was infa that Mirages
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 5 July 2020 14: 24
      14
      It is a pity that high-ranking officials were missed; they would have discouraged for a long time the desire to meddle in other people's affairs.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 5 July 2020 16: 16
        +7
        Satellite images of the Turkish Hawk air defense systems deployed at the Al-Watia airbase have appeared on the network. In total, the presence of at least two systems is noted. Libya's NTC has officially granted Turkey access to military facilities in Tripolitania for Turkish deployment. This applies to military bases, airfields and ports.






        Chevron of Turkish air defense deployed on al-Vatiya.

        fellow And with the onset of night, reports of intense airstrikes on al-Vatiya began to arrive - numerous explosions were reported.
        It is not known whose planes attack the Turks, but either this LNA will use the MiG-29 and Su-24, or Egyptian planes from the Al-Jufra air base. On the other hand, French planes from Mali could also work.
        Sources of VLA claim that air defense systems, ammunition depots and hangars were affected. Only 8 goals.
        1. Ryaruav
          Ryaruav 5 July 2020 20: 07
          +6
          good on the chevron sounds a bunch tact
        2. Retvizan 8
          Retvizan 8 5 July 2020 20: 15
          +8
          If this is true, then this is a serious answer. And then the Turks began to present themselves as the most successful and victorious army in the world.
          1. Charik
            Charik 6 July 2020 22: 32
            +2
            only after Ukrainian
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 July 2020 14: 09
    +9
    Who, where, when? Quiz laughing information not verified. Let's wait for something more substantial. So far, one thing is clear. Haftara is too early to write off ... He has serious support.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 5 July 2020 18: 26
      +4
      Erdogan has many enemies. The guy recently managed to quarrel with everyone. Not to mention the internal problems.
  3. fn34440
    fn34440 5 July 2020 14: 09
    -20 qualifying.
    They didn’t spoil the Turkish S-400s well, all the more so they didn’t pass the test tests on the F-16 and, Erdogan, has not yet allowed Pentagon military industrial complex officers to study the interior. Turkobatka thinks.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 5 July 2020 14: 18
      +7
      Well, you have advertised With 400, we are waiting
      the State Department’s concerns about the range of application of C 400. How many there through Middle-earth from Turkey to Libya. They gave out military secrets. And we kept it so in the VO. F 16 Turks took for escort on take-off and they liked it very much. They also want C 400.
      1. fn34440
        fn34440 5 July 2020 14: 34
        -2
        It is a pity that a disproportionate amount has accumulated here. former warrant officers with 30 years of service with atrophy of humor neurons.
        S-400s are currently based at Myrted Air Base, which is located near the Turkish capital. Tests are scheduled to continue until November 26. Turkey began testing radars associated with its new Russian S-400 using the American F-16 Viper and F-4 Phantom II fighters, contrary to US warnings that this “activation” of anti-aircraft missile systems could trigger the transfer of some NATO secret information - Of Russia.
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 5 July 2020 21: 27
          0
          using american fighter f-16 viper


          The Turks do not have blocks 70/72.
  4. businessv
    businessv 5 July 2020 14: 13
    +6
    the raids were carried out only after the Minister of National Defense of Turkey Hulusi Akar and the head of the General Staff of the Turkish Armed Forces Yashar Guler left the territory of Libya, who arrived in the country at the invitation of the Government of National Accord (PNS).
    That's how interesting the girls dance, if you look from below !!! First, we will agree on when to hit, and then it’s not a sin to hit, like "no, no, no, today is impossible, we have distinguished guests, we must not upset them, let's go tomorrow afternoon, as soon as we see off, and let's ..." ! Soon the number and addresses of objects to be bombed will be coordinated.
    1. signifera
      signifera 5 July 2020 14: 18
      +2
      Maybe the author simply embellished this coincidence? But if you compare with Iran’s attack on the US bases, Syria (you can’t shoot at those. You can’t), then a strange war can be traced. Or maybe while the high officials were in, the cover was too tight and the attack was impossible. Flew away, the protection weakened and shlopotali ...
      1. businessv
        businessv 5 July 2020 14: 21
        +3
        Quote: Signifer
        Maybe the author simply embellished this coincidence?

        Yes, Allah knows them, but such hostilities look strange. The guard, of course, was powerful - not ordinary pawns, after all, arrived, and some guarantees were required during their stay.
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 5 July 2020 14: 37
        +8
        Quote: Signifer
        But if you compare with Iran’s attack on the US bases, Syria (you can’t shoot at those. You can’t), then a strange war can be traced.

        Rather, reluctance to take conflict to a new level. While ordinary soldiers are dying, things can be let go on the brakes, but the death of high ranks can greatly increase the degree of the database.
    2. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 6 July 2020 00: 01
      0
      Quote: businessv
      First, we will agree on when to hit, and then it’s not a sin to hit, like “no-no-no, today is impossible, we have distinguished guests, we must not upset them, let's tomorrow afternoon, as soon as we see them off,
      I think now the trend is (!), and everywhere there are wars. Including our Donbass too ....
      Quote: businessv
      Soon there will be a number and addresses of objects to be bombed, to coordinate.
      not soon but almost a long time ago ... request
      Quote: Signifer
      But if you compare with Iran’s attack on the US bases, Syria (you can’t shoot at those. You can’t), then a strange war can be traced.
      wars have always been strange (!)... and WWII too (!). yes For some, Operation Lend Lease has literally become - "manna from heaven", and led the huge country out of the" Great Depression ", giving food and orders for industry .... And someone at this time (Germany / USSR), paid millions of lives of citizens .... ?! winked I’m only afraid that it always has been, and always will be (!), and not much at all, we can change this ... and then, if we can (!). recourse
  5. mitrich
    mitrich 5 July 2020 14: 15
    -4
    This is for a long time, a fight with an unpredictable result. For opponents are serious countries.
    And what are our oligarchs going to catch in this situation?
  6. Igoresha
    Igoresha 5 July 2020 14: 15
    0
    ours win or what?
    1. Grits
      Grits 6 July 2020 07: 12
      +1
      Quote: Igoresha
      ours win or what?

      It depends on who yours is Qatar or Saudi Arabia.
  7. Gorecc
    Gorecc 5 July 2020 14: 24
    -5
    Well, if hedgehogs is true, then this is a significant slap in the face not even the CCP, namely Turkey. I wonder what planes and what struck? It turns out that the Americans did not lie when they said that Russia handed over to Haftar Mig-29 and Su24, and it seems that they are not Libyans at the helm of these aircraft ... We are waiting for a reply from Turkey, it is time to transfer a couple of f16 to Libya at least)
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 5 July 2020 14: 37
      11
      Previously reported ..
      Libya: MiG-29 struck Erdogan counter strike 

      July 3, 2020 According to the Greek media, citing their sources in Libya, Su-24 and MiG-29 aircraft bombed hard in the Kampo 50 area near Sadada Bridge, south of Misrata. More than 50 transporters, including Turkish FNSS ACV-15 armored vehicles, were destroyed. At least 37 Turkish soldiers and Syrian fighters were killed.

      It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/africa/44447475/?utm_content=news_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
      1. Gorecc
        Gorecc 5 July 2020 16: 09
        -17 qualifying.
        but what about the embargo, but what about the truce? why is Lavrov silent? where is the indignant Macron and Sisi?) silence .. but if Haftaru again begins to give on the Bosko, then the curators of the General-Limit immediately wail again)
        1. Charik
          Charik 6 July 2020 00: 46
          +2
          Yes, let them shred all the Bosko there, most importantly, submit the bits on time
          1. Grits
            Grits 6 July 2020 07: 15
            +1
            Quote: Charik
            Yes, let them shred all the Bosko there, most importantly, submit the bits on time

            If you ask for sports brass knuckles, we will throw it.
  8. Doccor18
    Doccor18 5 July 2020 14: 29
    +4
    that the raids were carried out only after the Minister of National Defense of Turkey Hulusi Akar and the head of the General Staff of the Turkish Armed Forces Yashar Guler left the territory of Libya, who arrived in the country at the invitation of the Government of National Accord (PNS). 

    Why? The effect of the blow would be much greater if these important persons were present. Maybe for myself what conclusions have been made ..
    1. Gorecc
      Gorecc 5 July 2020 14: 32
      -15 qualifying.
      Of course, they would draw conclusions .. when Shoigu and Co. fly next time to Syria, they’ll beat next to Assad somewhere nearby ..
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 5 July 2020 14: 39
        +5
        Well, if you are going to solve the problems of the world, to decide the fate of countries and peoples, then you need to have a steel crotch and a sharp mind. If not, then you should not try.
  9. Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 5 July 2020 14: 29
    +8
    Arab night.
    The magical east.
    There is enchantment and revenge
    Courage and honor.
    Palaces and sand.
    Oh wondrous east!
    Oh fairy land!
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 5 July 2020 14: 48
      -20 qualifying.
      Haftarin's tales have already gone, without a single dock in the form of photos, videos, and other sources that could also see and write, show, etc.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 5 July 2020 16: 22
        -14 qualifying.
        Well, the fact that in the direction of the Turkish air defense shots were fired, I believe, so for 200-300 kilometers))
      2. K-612-O
        K-612-O 6 July 2020 06: 08
        +1
        The Turkish authorities through Anadola confirmed the fact of the strike and the loss of 6 MIM-23, the strike was inflicted by the Mirage 2000-9 of the UAE Air Force, taking off from Egypt. And the LNA fanboys posted the video of the strikes right away.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 6 July 2020 09: 15
          0
          And links to all this?)
      3. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 6 July 2020 17: 36
        -1
        But this doesn’t stop the Turks from declaring 25 killed old women, oh sorry Pantsire (with two reliably lost) ... Now it’s the old Hufftar’s turn to draw the old women in their limousine with the same percentage of certainty.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 6 July 2020 19: 30
          0
          It seems to be real Mirage 2000 UAE, naturally Haftar has nothing to do with these attacks. A tricky move, as if Egypt had nothing to do with it, cannot be reached by the Turks in the UAE.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 6 July 2020 19: 36
            -1
            It’s clear that Hufftar isn’t capable of this, but curators can slightly salt
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 6 July 2020 19: 48
              0
              Yeah, Mirage 2000 is a great airplane, it can do it real. The UAE last year signed a contract for modernization with the French, they could manage to complete the work, at least partially.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 6 July 2020 19: 49
                -1
                Rafal is the case when the new is worse than the old ..... Mirage 2000 good great car ...
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 6 July 2020 19: 52
                  0
                  What was the Mig 29 supposed to be :) then he would have been the most massive 4 generation aircraft :)
                  1. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 6 July 2020 20: 00
                    0
                    Exactly. Moreover, it had to be done on one Al-31. By weight, AL-31 and Sneckma are comparable. But ours is more powerful ...
                    However, the fakir was drunk and the trick failed.
                    By the way, I found a picture
          2. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 7 July 2020 14: 26
            -1
            With all this hype around Vatiya, the PNS moved south from the village of Al-Shwa, in 2 days in places 100-150 km, towards the city of Sabiha. https://libya.liveuamap.com/en
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 7 July 2020 15: 21
              0
              As I understand it, they want to get to the southern oil fields and cut off the forces of Haftar. Although conditional, there is a desert.
              1. Oquzyurd
                Oquzyurd 7 July 2020 15: 27
                -1
                Desert and few ways for transport. Cut the road, conditionally 100 thousand square kilometers in your pocket ..
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 7 July 2020 15: 31
                  0
                  Yeah. What do they say in Turkey, will they continue to fight or will they simply divide the country in two?
                  1. Oquzyurd
                    Oquzyurd 7 July 2020 16: 35
                    -1
                    In no case, they do not even think about it. This is due to the agreement of the maritime border of the economic zone between Turkey and Libya. And this is the very east of Libya, in the Tobruk region, "seeing" the Turkish coast. opposed to the Turks) the naval agreement between Tripoli and Ankara. And other powers will be against the division of Libya. Libya has long had a diarchy, but legally navryatli to split, will not allow it.
                    1. Grazdanin
                      Grazdanin 7 July 2020 16: 41
                      0
                      Then there will be casualties among the Turkish soldiers, just like that they will not give up all of Libya.
                      1. Oquzyurd
                        Oquzyurd 7 July 2020 17: 03
                        -1
                        Why do they need all of Libya? I don’t think that they will go forward headlong. The main thing is that they considered the legal capital of Tripoli. And so, this is for a long time, the actual separation. There will be negotiations, bargaining, negotiations again, and eventually find a solution. But before that, military actions are expected , on both sides. Victims may be, since they took up such a thing.
              2. Oquzyurd
                Oquzyurd 7 July 2020 19: 53
                -1
                Lenta.RU The forces of the Government of National Accord (PNS) of Libya destroyed in the area of ​​the military airfield al-Jufra anti-aircraft missile-gun complex (ZRPK) "Shell".
                https://lenta.ru/news/2020/07/07/pantsir
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 7 July 2020 19: 56
                  0
                  Yeah, I saw. Interesting place of destruction. For an hour now I’m waiting for the news here and the sracha that he will cause))
                2. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 7 July 2020 20: 03
                  0
                  In Turkey, they write that in the Kufra region, it seems to be closer to the border with Egypt?
                  1. Oquzyurd
                    Oquzyurd 7 July 2020 21: 41
                    0
                    According to the interactive map, everything happened 20 kilometers west of the Jufra airport, near the village of Sukhnakh, four kilometers from the main road.
                3. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 7 July 2020 20: 42
                  0
                  In addition, the deaths and injuries of mercenaries from a private military company Wagner. The number of victims and victims is not called.

                  So they write about 3 dead, 7 wounded musicians. You can’t directly believe the translation, you must always look at the original.
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 July 2020 14: 42
    +2
    In Libya, the best anti-aircraft gunners gathered. .
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 5 July 2020 14: 46
      +3
      And on both sides. Where is the air defense of the Turkish corvette?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 5 July 2020 14: 53
        -13 qualifying.
        Far from the sea ...
        However, it seems that aviation missed without counteracting anti-aircraft gunners laughing There will be the following satellite pictures, it will become clearer.
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 5 July 2020 16: 24
          -16 qualifying.
          In general, anti-aircraft gunners are aware that they were attacked? I hope they were not distracted from drinking tea?))
        3. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 5 July 2020 16: 25
          -17 qualifying.
          The Turks, before adopting weapons, yesterday conducted a final test against the ATMACA ship missile. Amazing hitting accuracy from a distance of 220 km https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9HI19EGk4M&t=4s
          1. bayard
            bayard 6 July 2020 02: 32
            +2
            Libya has few ships.
            I would even say no.
            But France has it. wink
            And RCC on them is better than Turkish.
            And the planes.
            And France is very unhappy with Turkey in Libya.
            And in general - Turkey.
        4. K-612-O
          K-612-O 6 July 2020 06: 19
          0
          https://t.me/new_militarycolumnist/38102, вот ссылка на видео хафтаровских фанбоев
  11. 013Azer
    013Azer 5 July 2020 14: 50
    -12 qualifying.
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3001733.html

    It talks about allegedly strikes on the base, where MIM 23 was previously noted. Not a word about the destruction of anything, especially not a word about "Radar systems and electronic warfare Coral") TASS fantasizes harshly, and it is not yet clear whether this news is fundamentally true , or not. Well at least Sunday, let's see what Turkish news TV and Internet channels say, this is definitely not hidden in Turkey, in its free press, never. So they are waiting for something like this to spend 2 days on TV as the opposition rushes at Erdogan because of such losses.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 5 July 2020 16: 37
      -10 qualifying.
      If this were the case, the news feeds would be full of news about the attacks of Turkish aircraft and the fleet on troops loyal to a US citizen.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 7 July 2020 09: 13
        -1
        This is not at all necessary. Such a strange movement there
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 7 July 2020 09: 31
          0
          I'm talking about the defender of the US Constitution, Haftar, as they wrote in the news, if the UAE mirages really did it, the situation complicates, but most importantly people did not die, they don’t give a damn about the equipment.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 7 July 2020 09: 43
            -1
            Quote: Grazdanin
            but most importantly people did not die,


            The result is unknown. We will see.
    2. LCD
      LCD 5 July 2020 16: 51
      +7
      "... this is definitely not hidden in Turkey, in its free press ..." - you should not believe so much in the Turkish media. At your leisure, read how journalists are persecuted in Turkey who tell the truth about the same losses in Libya and Syria:
      https://atalayar.com/en/content/erdogan-accused-covering-deaths-turkish-soldiers-syria-and-libya
      https://balkaninsight.com/2020/03/09/turkey-arrests-journalists-due-to-reports-on-turkish-intel-agents-funeral/
      https://cpj.org/2020/06/turkish-police-arrest-2-journalists-in-espionage-investigation/
      https://cpj.org/2020/03/turkey-arrests-4-more-journalists-for-covering-int/
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 5 July 2020 17: 16
        -13 qualifying.
        Let's say that "journalists are being persecuted in Turkey." Well, okay, then where are the other countries and their sources about this, about the news that you wrote about? I do not think that they are all supporters of the Turks, on the contrary, they are looking for an opportunity to prick, and would not miss the opportunity to cover such news.
      2. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 5 July 2020 18: 16
        -6
        When I was riding the Istanbul metro, I was in shock. Televisions were broadcasting on TVs against Erdogan and his project to create a new channel. You will definitely not see this in Russia. And the fact that Erdogan is blamed on local television channels and is not worth talking about, of course, there are Erdogan channels. There is normal democracy, with strong opposition, the same measures of Istanbul as an open adversary of Erdogan and his party.
      3. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 5 July 2020 18: 22
        -4
        The persecution needs to be understood, it is one thing to criticize the authorities, and another is to give knowingly false information.
    3. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 6 July 2020 00: 16
      +1
      Quote: 013Azer
      .... in his free press, never.
      stop you (!). "Free Press"as such a concept does not exist in principle (!).... There are individual copies, conventionally "gifted scribblers", whose funding sources (like the degree motivation / order) is not immediately possible and easy to track (!). but as a rule (due to the fact that we are all human beings and far from angels (!), and on the old woman, there is a breakthroughif you like then "misfire") ... Then "the secret becomes not only obvious, but also obvious"as if it was clear "a long time ago" .... (!).
    4. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 6 July 2020 17: 39
      -1
      Well, at least Sunday, let's see what Turkish news TV and Internet channels say, such they certainly do not hide in Turkey, in their free press, never.

      Are you a clown?
  12. Ngauro
    Ngauro 5 July 2020 20: 29
    -2
    yes, in general, figs, the main thing is that Muslims kill Muslim
  13. Fat 459
    Fat 459 5 July 2020 20: 55
    -1
    UAE planes bombed 9 "mirage2000" from the territory of Egypt fired 9 missiles, no casualties. There will be an answer, like a blow has already been dealt to al Jufra.
    1. Grits
      Grits 6 July 2020 07: 31
      0
      Quote: Fat 459
      There will be an answer, it seems that al-Dzhufra has already been hit.

      Than? In addition to "tractors", Sarange has nothing
  14. demo
    demo 5 July 2020 21: 34
    +1
    The interlocutor also said that the raids were carried out only after the Minister of National Defense of Turkey Hulusi Akar and the head of the General Staff of the Turkish Armed Forces Yashar Guler left the territory of Libya, who arrived in the country at the invitation of the Government of National Accord (PNS).

    In a gentlemanly manner.
    And they could and vice versa.
    They made it clear that it is not safe for Turks to roam here. Can and cover. Lid of the drawer.
  15. Charik
    Charik 6 July 2020 00: 29
    -2
    Is such a strike possible only with the use of PRR? On the Su24M you can’t hang a lot of them, pieces 4 maximum?
    1. Charik
      Charik 6 July 2020 22: 34
      -1
      where are you mouse-well, tell me that I did not write correctly
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 6 July 2020 16: 22
    0
    It seems that the Turks crossed the red line, it remains to understand whose planes restore the status quo?
    1. rumpeljschtizhen
      rumpeljschtizhen 6 July 2020 21: 10
      0
      Everything is already known mirages ... Aoe
      1. Charik
        Charik 6 July 2020 22: 37
        -1
        UAE - as of 2017 [8] 66 aircraft: 15 Mirage 2000-9DAD, 44 Mirage 2000-9EAD, 7 Mirage 2000RAD (reconnaissance aircraft). In service since 1989. Any of them?
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 7 July 2020 09: 32
          -1
          Last year, a contract was signed to upgrade them with France. Great planes.
          1. Charik
            Charik 7 July 2020 18: 40
            +1
            With the custodians, signing a contract is such a pleasure, you can either wait or even beard
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 7 July 2020 18: 42
              -1
              The French are extremely reliable partner, I have no doubt in them.
              1. Charik
                Charik 7 July 2020 18: 44
                +1
                And what do you mean, are you going to buy and upgrade planes for the emirates
  17. vavilon
    vavilon 7 July 2020 09: 48
    0
    I think that there was a good opportunity for us to come off on pro-Turkish barmels for the Syrian Idlib
  18. Charik
    Charik 7 July 2020 18: 43
    0
    I brought the number of Turkish Mirages from pikivedia, but some kind of mouse set a minus, it’s all the same to me + - write with what the mouse doesn’t agree