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Roscosmos announced plans to resume the lunar program

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Roscosmos announced plans to resume the lunar program

Roscosmos planned to launch the automatic interplanetary station "Luna-25" to the Earth’s natural satellite in the fall of next year. Testing of the device should end in the summer of 2021. This was reported by the press service of the corporation.


It is reported that the launch is scheduled for October 1, 2021, the reserve date will be October 30. By launching the Luna-25 automatic station on Earth’s satellite, Roscosmos intends to resume the lunar program, which was discontinued in Soviet times (the last Soviet interplanetary automatic station was Luna-24, which launched in 1976). IN stories modern Russia, lunar launches were not made.

The Russian spacecraft Luna-25, which will be a continuation of the Soviet stations of the same series, is scheduled to be launched in 2021. Currently, the Luna-Glob development work, within the framework of which the Luna-25 spacecraft is being created, is at the stage of ground development of experimental products

- said in a statement.

In the future, as part of the lunar program, after sending the Luna-25 spacecraft, it is planned to send the Luna-2024 orbital station to the Earth satellite in 26, and the Luna-2025 landing station in 27.
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  1. convoy
    convoy 5 July 2020 12: 48 New
    +2
    We’ll mine the moon ..)))) Joke!
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 5 July 2020 12: 55 New
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      Would survive to 27 years to the moon 25, Maybe they will sit next to some kind of Apollo, would you clearly be Americans on the moon? Of course, it’s a joke. The latest news from Roskosmos cause laughter through tears.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 5 July 2020 13: 07 New
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        There were no Apollos on the surface. They remained in near lunar orbit. A landing module of the "Eagle" type, etc. landed on the surface. Probably sat down
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 5 July 2020 13: 15 New
          +1
          Heat affects the brain. Sorry. For inaccuracy.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 5 July 2020 13: 18 New
            +1
            Not surprising. We have up to 40 in the shade. I started working today at 4 in the morning, or at night ...
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 5 July 2020 13: 20 New
              0
              Where are you in Sochi. Yandex is lying that 30 is in the shade.
              1. 210ox
                210ox 5 July 2020 17: 14 New
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                Yes, the same in the Kuban. Only not on the coast.
                1. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 5 July 2020 17: 20 New
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                  It’s clear that you generally have tin. Tomorrow a shift to the Olympic Park is not designed for 40, the promise is until 39. We will be hungry. Athletes miss the ice. From children to adults. Full house !!!
      2. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 5 July 2020 13: 19 New
        +1
        The latest news from Roskosmos cause laughter through tears.


        And you secretly bind and put your Rogozin on the Moon 25 ..... maybe Musk will pick him up there on the way to Mars and he will completely tear the colony out for them ... laughing
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 5 July 2020 14: 04 New
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          Quote: Keyser Soze
          tie and put your Rogozin on the moon 25.

          It is impossible, it is approximately 150 kg of useless load.
          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 5 July 2020 15: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: Karabin
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            tie and put your Rogozin on the moon 25.

            It is impossible, it is approximately 150 kg of useless load.

            And let them pay for the flight! I hope there is where.
      3. donavi49
        donavi49 5 July 2020 13: 22 New
        +2
        Do not sit down (all landing sites are very far away). In a month and a half, Photon will fly at Beck. Here the price of the issue will be 8-10 million dollars. Gather a 100kg camera, buy from Bek Electron with Photon and fly to take off landing sites in the highest resolution. A repeater on a photon is good, it will allow you to send data from the Moon from a regular rubbish bin in large volume.

        NASA has already bought one rocket in this configuration for $ 9,9 million for the Kapston apparatus.
        1. slipped
          slipped 5 July 2020 15: 15 New
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          buy from Bek Electron


          What if the accident happened yesterday? belay

          Rocket Lab: “There was an issue during launch today that resulted in the loss of payload. We deeply regret the workload of our clients aboard Electron.
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 5 July 2020 19: 28 New
            +2
            Well, that’s how everyone crashes. Beck's first payload file. At the final stage, something went wrong and did not enter orbit.

            In general, it will be a very busy month. After 3 days, a new LV - KZ-11 (up to 1,5 tons of load) carries a satellite for TV + a pack of laser communication demonstrators between the satellites.

            After 9 days, the first Martian flies. Suddenly, the first Arab satellite to go beyond the orbit of the earth. If the Japanese firecracker does not smell of course. The goal is to study the weather on Mars.

            On July 23, a Chinese Martian mission flies with a landing platform and a rover.

            in the last days, a new heavy rover (improved Curiosity) flies with the first ever extraterrestrial helicopter-type UAV.

            also in the last numbers they will try to squeeze another new launch vehicle (or rather the version) - Astra 3.1

            and also as an additional load in Ariana, MEV-2 - a satellite tow truck (well, rather, a pusher for the necessary upholstery) will fly from Kuru, Intelsat will pump out which has exhausted its fuel and leaves the orbit in fully operational condition.
            1. slipped
              slipped 5 July 2020 20: 08 New
              +3
              Quote: donavi49
              Well, that’s how everyone crashes.


              In the frame and on the wall. And then some began to be forgotten. laughing

              Quote: donavi49
              Beck's first payload file. At the final stage, something went wrong and did not enter orbit.


              It happens. I remember Zuma, too, was not found in orbit. And still. But the adapter is to blame, yes, sir.

              Quote: donavi49
              In general, it will be a very busy month.


              From the Baikonur cosmodrome, on the 23rd, another TGC Progress MS-15 flies. The assembly of the rocket for him is already underway.



              And on the 29th, launch of a new generation navigation satellite Glonass-K No. 15 from Plesetsk is possible. A feature of the satellite is its expanded functionality and an extended warranty period of active existence up to 10 years.

              The launch of the Proton-M LV with the Briz-M upper stage is scheduled for July 30 from Baikonur; the rocket will launch two new Russian Express communication satellites. The uniqueness of this launch is that this time the payload has a total mass of 4 kg, despite the fact that the rocket itself directly brings only 400 tons into geostationary orbit. The satellites are planned to be put into the target orbit of 3,4 km using their own SPRD, using them as cruise ships.
      4. slipped
        slipped 5 July 2020 15: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: tralflot1832
        Would survive to 27 years to the moon 25


        It is written above - launch in October 2021.

        Quote: tralflot1832
        Maybe they’ll sit next to some Apollo


        Landing in the crater of Boguslavsky at the South Pole.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 5 July 2020 15: 20 New
          -2
          We agreed with NASA, anywhere except where the Eagles sat. The intrigue persists.
          1. slipped
            slipped 5 July 2020 15: 28 New
            +5
            Quote: tralflot1832
            We agreed with NASA, anywhere except where the Eagles sat. The intrigue persists.


            what does NASA have to do with it ?! belay Landing at the South Pole is not just because of the bulldozer - it was there that in our area, clusters of water ice were discovered from our orbit by our neutron detector.
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 5 July 2020 15: 42 New
              -1
              I see. Thanks.
      5. Gennady Fomkin
        Gennady Fomkin 5 July 2020 19: 24 New
        +1
        You are so patiently collecting all the failures of Roscosmos.

        Well what do you want? In Russia, bears walk the streets, so they will be sent. Will pedal. laughing
      6. Machito
        Machito 5 July 2020 21: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: tralflot1832
        Would survive to 27 years to the moon 25, Maybe they will sit next to some kind of Apollo, would you clearly be Americans on the moon? Of course, it’s a joke. The latest news from Roskosmos cause laughter through tears.

        Just a laugh.
      7. Machito
        Machito 5 July 2020 21: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: tralflot1832
        Would survive to 27 years to the moon 25, Maybe they will sit next to some kind of Apollo, would you clearly be Americans on the moon? Of course, it’s a joke. The latest news from Roskosmos cause laughter through tears.

        Just a laugh.
      8. pmkemcity
        pmkemcity 6 July 2020 06: 09 New
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        "Moon-glob". Lgogozin does not pronounce the letter "r"?
  2. Indifferent
    Indifferent 5 July 2020 12: 55 New
    +6
    If Soviet cosmonautics developed at such a pace, then soil would not have been brought from the moon so far. Glory to Rogozin, the most effective manager!
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 5 July 2020 13: 27 New
      12
      Quote: indifferent
      If Soviet cosmonautics developed at such a pace, then soil would not have been brought from the moon so far. Glory to Rogozin, the most effective manager!

      For six flights to the moon, the Americans brought to Earth 382 kilograms of lunar soil. For comparison: Soviet stations - 326 grams. Scientists of the two countries exchanged samples. Soviet scientists never questioned the authenticity of the samples.
      1. Deniska999
        Deniska999 5 July 2020 13: 33 New
        +5
        To measure who brought more than the lunar soil looks extremely funny.
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 5 July 2020 13: 33 New
        +6
        But we dug deeper into the ground, as one cool journalist wrote “the cries of sinners from the underground hell didn’t let the drillers sleep.” I am not a member of any sects.
      3. poquello
        poquello 5 July 2020 13: 52 New
        -8
        Quote: A. Privalov
        Soviet scientists never questioned the authenticity of the samples.

        but also did not examine the authenticity)))))))))))))))))))))
        1. Avior
          Avior 5 July 2020 18: 46 New
          0
          that way. This is a study of the soil from Apollo 11 and 12, which the Americans gave us, in comparison with the soil delivered by the Soviet Moon16
          A.P. Vinogradov, V.I. Nefedov, V.S. Urusov, N.M. Zhavoronkov. X-ray electron study of lunar regolith from the Seas of Plenty and Calm // DAN SSSR. 1971. T. 201. Number 4. C.957-960.
          DAN is the Reports of the Academy of Science, if that. and here too
          I.I. Antipova-Karataeva, Yu.I. Staheev, K.P. Florensky. Optical characteristics of regolith from the Sea of ​​Plenty, Sea of ​​Tranquility and the Ocean of Storms // Lunar soil from the Sea of ​​Plenty, M .: Nauka, 1974, ss. 496-500

          M.V. Akhmanova, B.V. Dementiev A.V. Kartashev, A.V. Karjakin, M.N. Markov, M.M. Suschinsky. Infrared spectroscopy of regolith of the lunar seas // Lunar soil from the Sea of ​​Plenty, M .: Nauka, 1974, ss. 503-511

          I.D. Shevaleevsky, M.S. Chupakhin. Rock-forming and rare elements in the lunar soil from the Sea of ​​Tranquility and the Ocean of Storms // Lunar soil from the Sea of ​​Plenty, M .: Nauka, 1974, ss. 297-298
          and here it is
          Australia
          Compston, W., Williams, IS, & Meyer, C. U-Pb geochronology of zircons form lunar Breccia 73217 using a sensitive high mass-resolution ion microprobe. American Geophysical Union and NASA, Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, 14th, Houston, TX, Mar. 14-18, 1983 Journal of Geophysical Research, Supplement (ISSN 0148-0227), vol. 89, Feb. 15, 1984, p. B525-B534.

          England
          Runcorn, SK, Collinson, DW, O'Reilly, W., Battey, MH, Stephenson, A., Jones, J. M Magnetic properties of Apollo 11 lunar samples. Proc. R. Soc. London, A325, 157-74

          Abell, PI; Draffan, CH; Eglinton, G .; Hayes, JM; Maxwell, JR; Pillinger, CT Organic analysis of the returned Apollo 11 lunar sample. Proceedings of the Apollo 111 Lunar Science Conference, Vol. 2, pp. 1757 to 1773

          China
          Li Wenzhong Yang Suizi Xu Yun (Kunming Metallurgical Institute) Wang Daode Cao Jianqiu Hou Wei (Institute of Geochemistry, Academia Sinica); PETROGRAPHIC AND MINERALOGICAL STUDIES ON APOLLO-17 MARE BASALT [J]; Geochimica; 1980-03

          Hu Guohui Zhong Honghai Xu Hanqing Ling Yuyuan (Analysis Institute of Guangdong Province) Yi Weixi (Institute of Geochemistry, Academia Sinica); 14 MeV NEUTRON ACTIVATION ANALYSIS OF APOLLO-17 MARE BASALT [J]; Geochimica; 1980-03

          Ji Guiquan Wu Weifang Li Shi (Institute of Sigh Energy Physics, Academia Sinica) Zhong Puhe (Institute of Geochemistry, Academia Sinica); MOSSBAUER STUDY OF APOLLO-17 MARE BASALT [J]; Geochimica; 1981-02

          Norway
          Brunfelt, AO; Heier, KS; Nilssen, B .; Sundvoll, B .; Steinnes, E. Distribution of elements between different phases of Apollo 14 rocks and soils. Proceedings of the Lunar Science Conference, vol. 3, p. 1133

          Poland
          P. Staszczuk. Thermogravimetry Q-TG studies of surface properties of lunar nanoparticles. Journal of Thermal Analysis and Calorimetry. December 2011, Volume 106, Issue 3, pp 853-857

          Finland
          HB WiiK, Pentti Ojanpera. Chemical Analyses of Lunar Samples 10017, 10072, and 10084. Science 30 Jan 1970: Vol. 167, Issue 3918, pp. 531-532

          France
          Deuterium Content of Lunar Material. Merlivat, L., Lelu, M., Nief, G., & Roth, E. Abstracts of the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, volume 5, page 498, (1974)
          1. poquello
            poquello 5 July 2020 20: 16 New
            -1
            Quote: Avior
            that way. This is a study of the soil from Apollo 11 and 12, which the Americans gave us, in comparison with the soil delivered by the Soviet Moon16
            A.P. Vinogradov, V.I. Nefedov, V.S. Urusov, N.M. Zhavoronkov. X-ray electron study of lunar regolith from the Seas of Plenty and Calm // DAN SSSR. 1971. T. 201. Number 4. C.957-960.
            DAN is the Reports of the Academy of Sciences, ...

            but how many were transmitted and in what place were they examined?
            1. Avior
              Avior 5 July 2020 20: 40 New
              +1
              It was changed to the ground, delivered by Luna-16, I think a little, because a lot of research is not needed.
              Vinogradov led the study of the soil of ours, that of America, he is the first in the list of authors, a geochemist, vice-president of the USSR Academy of Sciences.
              The studies were probably carried out at the V.I.Vernadsky Institute of Geochemistry and Analytical Chemistry (GEOKHI USSR Academy of Sciences), Vinogradov was a student of Vernadsky and the creator of the institute, all Soviet samples were also examined there.
              Lunar soil and now can be seen in the museum of the institute.
              The Americans gave the lunar soil in small quantities, since a lot of research is not needed, large pieces are given only for a while for specific studies.
              But for review they are available, not for everyone, essno.
              Here is a box with large samples, on the left is the Russian cosmonaut Oleg Skrypochka

              This is the repository itself.

              smaller samples and directly the soil are in the same storage, only in other boxes, sorted by samples.
              1. poquello
                poquello 5 July 2020 21: 04 New
                -1
                Quote: Avior
                I think a little, because a lot of research is not needed.

                why is it so? brought for 20kg and "you don't need much for research"
                and here is the mentioned Vinogradov crying
                ))))) "in the literature available to the authors", the same one who has researched everything, then writes his own from specialized literature and periodicals
                1. Avior
                  Avior 5 July 2020 21: 36 New
                  +3
                  if you have information that academician Vinogradov lied, and, like all other scientists in the world, organized a conspiracy, you should give evidence.
                  and if not, then there’s nothing to discuss.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 6 July 2020 20: 45 New
                    0
                    Quote: Avior
                    if you have information that academician Vinogradov lied,

                    I have information that the unoxidized metals of the LH of the USSR were discovered by Bogatikov, but they could not repeat this with the LH of the USA, but they declared their complete identity))))))) and when the "scientists in the world" learned about this feature, they began to carry any blizzard.
                    https://aftershock.news/?q=node/738679&full
                    and you can send this link to a pretzel with Vakhnenko a life logbook that first climbs on the lunar soil, it climbs
      4. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 6 July 2020 12: 56 New
        -5
        Quote: A. Privalov
        Soviet scientists never questioned the authenticity of samples

        They ordered not to bet, so they did not. The contract was at the highest level.
    2. slipped
      slipped 5 July 2020 15: 18 New
      -2
      Quote: indifferent
      If Soviet cosmonautics developed at such a pace, then soil would not have been brought from the moon so far.


      Tell why they did not launch Lunokhod-3? laughing So much money was given to the moon in the USSR that the developers did not find it necessary launch an apparatus delayed on Earth in the absence of a rocket.

      In Russia, they don’t give so much money for this.
  3. Junior Warrant Officer
    Junior Warrant Officer 5 July 2020 12: 57 New
    -1
    In today's topic about RD-180, it was said about Rogozin’s answer ...
    He did not take long to wait)
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 5 July 2020 12: 59 New
      +4
      Words not confirmed by deed cause laughter, words confirmed by deed cause respect.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 5 July 2020 13: 09 New
        +5
        So he has to tell the truth ?! "We will use this money to ..."
      2. Shuttle
        Shuttle 5 July 2020 19: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Grazdanin
        Words not confirmed by deed cause laughter, words confirmed by deed cause respect.

        It’s you who very definitely said about hyperloop now. Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 8 July 2020 11: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Shuttle
          Quote: Grazdanin
          Words not confirmed by deed cause laughter, words confirmed by deed cause respect.

          It’s you who very definitely said about hyperloop now. Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!

          You do not understand this other
          1. Shuttle
            Shuttle 8 July 2020 12: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: Narak-zempo
            Quote: Shuttle
            Quote: Grazdanin
            Words not confirmed by deed cause laughter, words confirmed by deed cause respect.

            It’s you who very definitely said about hyperloop now. Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!

            You do not understand this other

            From the night! ... wassat drinks
  4. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 5 July 2020 13: 14 New
    +3
    = Currently, Luna-Glob development work, in the framework of which =
    So who will explain to me what the word Glob means in the phrase Luna-Glob?
    Here Nikulin explained to us what operation "Y" means
    Is there really no Nikulin in Roscosmos?
    But the constitution was amended regarding the Russian language.
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 13: 20 New
      -3
      Nothing, there are a lot of Nikulins. Now they will catch up and explain everything.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 5 July 2020 13: 58 New
        +5
        Quote: Thunderbringer
        Nothing, there are a lot of Nikulins. Now they will catch up and explain everything.

        Yuri Vladimirovich Nikulin - a participant in the WWII - was alone. There were many clowns ... Like royal jesters ...
    2. loki565
      loki565 5 July 2020 13: 24 New
      -1
      At present, the Luna-Glob development work, within which =
      So who will explain to me what the word Glob means in the phrase Luna-Glob?

      Especially for people like YOU, it was renamed the Moon 25)))
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 5 July 2020 15: 34 New
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        Quote: loki565
        Especially for people like YOU, it was renamed the Moon 25)))

        Especially for people like YOU explain, - Luna-25, this is part of the Luna-Glob program.
        So, in your explanations you hit the sky with your finger.
        1. loki565
          loki565 5 July 2020 15: 53 New
          0
          Especially for people like YOU explain, - Luna-25, this is part of the Luna-Glob program.
          So, in your explanations you hit the sky with your finger.

          You at least opened Wikipedia ...
          Luna-25 (until April 2013 the device was called “Luna-Glob”) [3] - part of the Russian lunar program, the first Russian lunar mission carried out by the S. A. Lavochkin NPO to research and use the moon and near-moon space automatically interplanetary stations. As part of the assignment, the lander will be launched first, and in a year, the orbiter.
    3. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 5 July 2020 15: 05 New
      +2
      Sounds like a coffin moon ....
    4. slipped
      slipped 5 July 2020 15: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      So who will explain to me what the word Glob means in the phrase Luna-Glob?


      This is a reduction in the still old Soviet project "Luna-Global" of the late 80s. At that time, in the wake of euphoria from the successful Vega, they planned to launch two orbiting satellites of the Moon and hang them over the North and South Poles. Hence the "global" or "glob" (remember abyrvalg laughing )

      It is fortunate that for thirty years after the collapse of the USSR, that program, even having undergone fundamental changes in the composition of both the equipment and the spacecraft, was not closed.
  5. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 5 July 2020 13: 55 New
    -6
    Roskosmos has planned to launch the automatic interplanetary station Luna-25 to a natural satellite of the Earth in the fall of next year. The tests of the device should end in the summer of 2021. This was reported by the press service of the corporation..

    Do you know what the humor of this statement is? The son of a smartphone seller said that a new smartphone model is expected next fall ...
    Whoever believes that having no idea about space technology, a former journalist, a former and current member of Rodina, a doctor of technical sciences with a degree in weapons theory, military-technical policy, and weapons systems is capable, at least, of organizing flights to the moon ? "East" completed and functioning at full capacity? wassat
    It remains to find out which party will win the upcoming elections to the State Duma ... Only in this way can we connect the end of the trials and the parliamentary elections somehow ... wassat
    1. slipped
      slipped 5 July 2020 15: 40 New
      0
      Do you know what the humor of your illiterate comment is?

      The fact that "NPO named after Lavochkin", where the apparatus is created, is part of the state corporation Roscosmos.
    2. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 8 July 2020 13: 45 New
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Whoever believes that having no idea about space technology, a former journalist, a former and current member of Rodina, a doctor of technical sciences with a degree in weapons theory, military-technical policy, and weapons systems is capable of at least organizing flights to the moon ?

      However, you believe the words of a fraudster, businessman and planner in addition, who received no technical education at all.
  6. BAI
    BAI 5 July 2020 14: 08 New
    -3
    These tales that Roscosmos would start something, once, somewhere, were no longer tired, but disgusted. For starters, you need to finish building the spaceport and working out the carriers. Even Medvedev, and he could not bear to listen to these tales.
    Currently, the development work of "Luna-Glob"

    Globe is a globe of Ukraine. As you call, it will fly.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 July 2020 20: 05 New
      -2
      However, the Spectrum WG was sent. And he will send moon rovers in the future.
  7. mitrich
    mitrich 5 July 2020 14: 18 New
    -1
    The main thing is that the result would not be like with Phobos soil.
    Instead of landing, splashdown.
  8. Igoresha
    Igoresha 5 July 2020 14: 19 New
    -5
    money nowhere to go, let's throw it to the moon again, all our show-offs
    1. Shuttle
      Shuttle 5 July 2020 19: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: Igoresha
      money nowhere to go, let's throw it to the moon again, all our show-offs

      Do you know how a pig differs from other pets? No, not by eating the most. The fact that her skeleton is arranged so that she can not raise her head with the help of turning her neck to look up. All her joys and sorrows are on the earth. The sky is unnecessary to her. Do not blame her or despise her. It is just an animal.
      Man is arranged differently.
  9. pexotinec
    pexotinec 5 July 2020 14: 26 New
    +2
    Regular Rogozin tales against the backdrop of the appearance of an engine for rockets in the Americans? I no longer believe these statements, how many have already been. Everything claimed is unfinished and in the archive.
    1. slipped
      slipped 5 July 2020 15: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: pexotinec
      Regular Rogozin tales against the backdrop of the appearance of an engine for rockets in the Americans?


      Russians also have new engines. How do the engines for the still defunct Vulcan rocket relate to our lunar program? lol
  10. nikant
    nikant 5 July 2020 14: 33 New
    -16
    everything is so good in rashka that there is extra money? when, finally, the sofa experts will no longer rave about the flights of the Yamerikos to the moon? nobody was there and never will be!
  11. ont65
    ont65 5 July 2020 14: 34 New
    +2
    The keyword is resume. Long live the 'epic' launch of the Dragon. Finally, Roscosmos received funding for some of the launched programs thanks to him. In our country, unfortunately, they react to problems retroactively and exclusively with political instructions. Well, nothing changes in the heads. Any undertaking, as before, turns into a rustle of newspapers and unsubstantiated decrees of top officials. Where's the money?
    1. Brancodd
      Brancodd 5 July 2020 14: 54 New
      +2
      The budget of Roscosmos is $ 3 billion. In 2017, funding for the space program was cut by Medvedev 2 times.
      The cost of space in the United States, why only NASA expenses are always indicated. But this is only 40% of the US budget for space.
      In 2017, NASA expenditures amounted to $ 18,1 billion. Total US budget expenditures amounted to $ 47,5 billion. That is 13 times more than Russia’s expenses.
      EKA European Space Agency has a budget 4 times the budget of Roscosmos.
    2. Klingon
      Klingon 5 July 2020 15: 09 New
      -3
      and grandmothers at the sawmill wassat
  12. prodi
    prodi 5 July 2020 14: 43 New
    -7
    They are fucked up! No lunar programs and peaceful space exploration, all resources - only for the development of the military component; at least until the US surrenders
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 July 2020 20: 08 New
      +1
      Russia is no longer participating in the arms race. And what he does in the military sphere above the roof is enough at the moment.
  13. Klingon
    Klingon 5 July 2020 15: 06 New
    -1
    promise, promise, honestly honestly! wassat
    Now the sawmill will begin to work and the terms will move smoothly to the right wassat
  14. Avior
    Avior 5 July 2020 15: 43 New
    -4
    Interestingly, if you organize a mission to the moon to the American landing sites in order to photograph the results, or even better, a video with live broadcasting from voluntary donations, would you raise money?
    Maybe this is worth doing?
    They gathered in Israel their jumper.
    And for this mission and development will be, the accumulation of experience, and no need to pay
    1. strelokmira
      strelokmira 5 July 2020 15: 59 New
      0
      and even better, a video with live broadcasting from voluntary donations - would you collect money?
      Maybe this is worth doing?

      Flag in your hands, start collecting smile
    2. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 5 July 2020 16: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      Interestingly, if you organize a mission to the moon to the American landing sites in order to photograph the results, or even better, a video with live broadcasting from voluntary donations, would you raise money?
      Maybe this is worth doing?
      They gathered in Israel their jumper.
      And for this mission and development will be, the accumulation of experience, and no need to pay

      In four days, Russian enthusiastic engineers raised a million rubles for a spacecraft project, which is supposed to shoot from lunar orbit in high resolution the American Apollo and Lunokhod rovers on the lunar surface.
      MOSCOW, October 5, 2015 - RIA Novosti, Alexander Kovalev. Space enthusiasts from the Russian Federation in just four days managed to collect more than a million rubles for a small satellite project, which should put an end to the debate about the "lunar conspiracy", the initiator of the project, Vitaly Yegorov, told RIA Novosti on Monday.

      As reported, Russian enthusiastic engineers announced the start of fundraising for a project of a micro-class spacecraft, which is to enter lunar orbit and take pictures in high resolution of Apollo and Lunokhod on the surface of the Earth satellite. For the theoretical study of the satellite project to the moon, according to the initiators, 800 thousand rubles were required.

      1. Avior
        Avior 5 July 2020 18: 17 New
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        the idea hung in the air.
        if they tried to collect in English, I think, they would have scored much more
        There are many curious.
  15. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 5 July 2020 19: 26 New
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    Quote: A. Privalov
    Quote: indifferent
    If Soviet cosmonautics developed at such a pace, then soil would not have been brought from the moon so far. Glory to Rogozin, the most effective manager!

    For six flights to the moon, the Americans brought to Earth 382 kilograms of lunar soil. For comparison: Soviet stations - 326 grams. Scientists of the two countries exchanged samples. Soviet scientists never questioned the authenticity of the samples.

    Oh dear and hde he disappeared? belay laughing
    1. Red Dragon
      Red Dragon 5 July 2020 19: 49 New
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      Yes, never gone, dear. Read about Johnson's space center, for example. Do you speak English, I hope? winked
  16. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 5 July 2020 19: 30 New
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    Quote: A. Privalov
    Quote: Avior
    Interestingly, if you organize a mission to the moon to the American landing sites in order to photograph the results, or even better, a video with live broadcasting from voluntary donations, would you raise money?
    Maybe this is worth doing?
    They gathered in Israel their jumper.
    And for this mission and development will be, the accumulation of experience, and no need to pay

    In four days, Russian enthusiastic engineers raised a million rubles for a spacecraft project, which is supposed to shoot from lunar orbit in high resolution the American Apollo and Lunokhod rovers on the lunar surface.
    MOSCOW, October 5, 2015 - RIA Novosti, Alexander Kovalev. Space enthusiasts from the Russian Federation in just four days managed to collect more than a million rubles for a small satellite project, which should put an end to the debate about the "lunar conspiracy", the initiator of the project, Vitaly Yegorov, told RIA Novosti on Monday.

    As reported, Russian enthusiastic engineers announced the start of fundraising for a project of a micro-class spacecraft, which is to enter lunar orbit and take pictures in high resolution of Apollo and Lunokhod on the surface of the Earth satellite. For the theoretical study of the satellite project to the moon, according to the initiators, 800 thousand rubles were required.


    "... The Vasyukin chess players listened to Ostap with filial love. Ostap suffered. He felt a surge of new strength and chess ideas. Dazzling prospects unfolded in front of the Vasyukin amateurs. the palace of chess thought. In each of its halls, in each room and even in the elevators sweeping by the bullet, thoughtful people were sitting and playing chess on boards inlaid with malachite ... " laughing
  17. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 5 July 2020 19: 34 New
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    Write a promise story Mask write offensively?

    Or history, how many times did the United States promise to fly to the moon from 1997 to 2020? laughing
  18. JonnyT
    JonnyT 5 July 2020 19: 34 New
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    This is all wonderful, of course, but why ????? Outrun and outrun America with its gateway?
    Amuse pride and raise ratings?
    Why is Rogozmos going to the moon?
    Again file all without result?
  19. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 5 July 2020 20: 16 New
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    Quote: Red Dragon
    Yes, never gone, dear. Read about Johnson's space center, for example. Do you speak English, I hope? winked
    Thank you!
    Very interesting!
    Munchausen is resting! The photographs are very good, they have only one, a small flaw - they do not have a lunar SOIL.

    There are stones, and there are a couple of dozen dust particles. But for some reason there is no soil as such.

    Go to Moscow in GEOCHI, to the museum of meteorite matter - and see how the lunar soil really looks like.
    laughing
    Do not argue with the greencot, he firmly believes that politics is not connected with science
  20. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 5 July 2020 20: 22 New
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    Ostap Bender would do business))). You take any stones, forge papers, since the Americans claim that almost 300 kg of soil was brought)))). And voila - on Internet sites you are selling. Beautiful labels, solid inscriptions)). laughing
  21. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 5 July 2020 20: 38 New
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    Mission Mass Year
    Apollo 11 22 kg 1969
    Apollo 12 34 kg 1969
    Apollo 14 43 kg 1971
    Apollo 15 77 kg 1971
    Apollo 16 95 kg 1972
    Apollo 17 111 kg 1972
    And here is the chronology of the appearance of Soviet lunar soil on Earth and its weight
    Mission Mass Year
    Moon 16 101 g 1970
    Moon 20 55 g 1972
    Moon 24 170 g 1976
    The study of two types of lunar matter - regolith and stones - has a fundamental difference from the point of view of exposing the NASA forgery, which falsified the lunar soil in one way or another. The physicochemical properties of matter are supplemented with such an important identification parameter as the shape of a particular stone, which leaves an indelible imprint on photographs, and closes the possibility of substitution in the future, when the required number of moon stones as a result of technological progress could be at the disposal of NASA. Considering the massive distribution of gift stones by the US government under the guise of lunar stones (and this is more than half a thousand separate samples)), [3], and also taking into account the size of this or that sample on the experimental table of this or that scientist, investigation of all the circumstances of the study of lunar soil and verification scientific data should go in two directions - physicochemical and related to the shape of a particular sample. If a group of scientists announced a series of studies of a substance issued by NASA under the guise of lunar soil; or if the US government donated a stone to a particular country, for a statistical assessment of the phenomenon, it is necessary to collect available information (including photographs) about the fate of the samples. After all, if, as the leading US selenologist Judith Frondell claims, NASA issues microscopic doses of lunar soil to scientists, and then selects them, passing them on to others, then it is appropriate to say that the United States only managed to repeat the achievement of Soviet astronautics, delivering, for example, Surveyors to Earth LG in the same approximately volumes in which they were delivered to Earth by domestic "Moon".

    Everything related to the statistics of lunar-stone distribution, with photographs, with the fate of gift and museum samples, with the size and weight of objects of research, etc. - all this is described in the article "Stones brought by the Apollo missions." This article also touches on the physicochemical aspect of the substance that NASA claims to be lunar. She will introduce the reader to individual researchers and the location of research laboratories; with the weight and appearance of the lunar soil that crossed the US border; with the addresses of electronic articles with reports on scientific work done, etc. laughing
  22. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 5 July 2020 21: 04 New
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    An interesting story with the exchange of Soviet and American soil. Here is the message dated April 14, 1972 of the main official publication of the Soviet period - the Pravda newspaper: “On April 13, NASA representatives visited the Presidium of the USSR Academy of Sciences. The transfer of lunar soil samples from the number delivered to Earth by the Soviet automatic station Luna-20 took place. At the same time, Soviet scientists were given a sample of lunar soil obtained by the crew of the Apollon-15 American ship. The exchange was completed in accordance with the agreement between the USSR Academy of Sciences and NASA, signed in January 1971. ”
    Now you need to go through the deadlines. July 1969 Apollo 11 astronauts allegedly bring 20 kg of lunar soil. The USSR does not give anything out of this amount. At this moment, the USSR has no lunar soil.
    September 1970 Our Luna-16 station delivers lunar soil to Earth, and from now on, Soviet scientists have something to offer in exchange. This puts NASA in a difficult position. But NASA expects that at the beginning of 1971 it will be able to automatically deliver its lunar soil to Earth, and counting on this in January 1971, an exchange agreement has already been concluded. But the exchange itself does not occur for another 10 months. Apparently, something went wrong in the USA with automatic delivery. And the Americans are starting to pull the rubber.
    July 1971. In good faith, the USSR unilaterally transfers 3 g of soil from the Moon-16 to the USA, but does not receive anything from the USA, although an exchange agreement was signed half a year ago, and 96 kg of the moon soil (from Apollo 11, Apollo 12 and Apollo 14). Another 9 months pass. April 1972. Finally, NASA passes a sample of lunar soil. It was allegedly delivered by the crew of the American ship Apollo 15, although 15 months have passed since the flight of Apollo 1971 (July 8). By that time, 173 kg of moonstones (from Apollo 11, Apollo 12, Apollo 14 and Apollo 15) were allegedly already in NASA’s pantries. Soviet scientists get a sample from these riches, the parameters of which in the newspaper "Pravda" are not reported. But thanks to Dr. M.A. We know to Nazarov that this sample consisted of regolith and did not exceed 29 g by mass. It is very similar to the fact that until about July 1972 the USA did not have any real lunar soil at all. Apparently, somewhere in the first half of 1972, the Americans got the first grams of real lunar soil, which was delivered from the moon automatically. Only then did NASA show a willingness to make an exchange. laughing Continue to continue?
    1. Avior
      Avior 5 July 2020 22: 13 New
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      yep
      By 1971, the USSR not only received samples from Apollo 11 and 12, but also managed to conduct research under the guidance of Academician Vinogradov and publish the result.
      A.P. Vinogradov, V.I. Nefedov, V.S. Urusov, N.M. Zhavoronkov. X-ray electron study of lunar regolith from the Seas of Plenty and Calm // DAN SSSR. 1971. T. 201. Number 4. C.957-960.
      In the summer of 1971, on June 10, there was an exchange, as everyone writes


      Before that, in 1969, NASA distributed 8 kg of various types of soil to American and foreign scientists.
      [Center]

      and in the 70s they handed out

      And everyone lies, it turns out
      A kind of global conspiracy of lies of scientists all over the planet
      1. Gennady Fomkin
        Gennady Fomkin 5 July 2020 22: 27 New
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        Whistle no bags tossing and turning laughing We have grams, and then kilograms laughing
        1. Avior
          Avior 5 July 2020 22: 34 New
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          as I understand it, from the story with lies that supposedly they didn’t give samples in 1971, and about the fact that they didn’t have samples before 1972, you decided to merge.
          I know that this primitive lie is not what you came up with, it was done before you ..
          Just wondering how you manage to select the most primitive lies for copy-paste with such enviable regularity?
          1. Gennady Fomkin
            Gennady Fomkin 6 July 2020 06: 12 New
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            You are constantly engaged in forgery and outright lies. Avior (Sergey) laughing
  23. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 5 July 2020 21: 39 New
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    However, the list of non-Anglo-Saxon recipients (and minus the Max Planck Institute, Germany, which is discussed separately) and the portions of soil they have taken are discouraged by their weightlessness.

    The list is already reduced.

    South Korea - 1 gr. moonstones (rocks), 2 gr. moon dust (fines)

    Italy - 11 (4 + 7) gr. rocks, 1,5 gr. fines

    Belgium - 8 (6 + 2) gr. rocks, 4,5 (2,5 + 2) gr. fines

    Norway - 5 gr. rocks, 1 gr. fines

    Japan - 81,5 (21 + 50 + 10,5) gr. rocks, 2 (1 + 1) gr. fines

    France - 7 (3 + 4) gr. rocks, 3 (1 + 2) gr. fines

    Czechoslovakia - 1 gr. rocks, 1 gr. fines

    Switzerland - 34 gr. rocks, 16 gr. fines

    Spain - 1 gr. rocks, 1 gr. fines

    Finland - 18 gr. rocks, 0 gr. fines

    India - 12 gr. rocks, 1 gr. fines

    Total: 179,5 gr. rocks, 33 gr. fines. Or 1.3% of the total weight of 13 kg.

    Of the 1620 samples outside the United States, if we even believe NASA, only 27 soil samples were found, in other words, 1.5% of the total. And those are in great question, because the countries and recipient institutions refuse to import portions to themselves categorically.

    But only two US scientists received stones and regolith with a total weight of almost 10 kg, which is 50 times more than the rest of the world received in February 1970, on behalf of which the Americans landed "on the moon." laughing
  24. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 5 July 2020 22: 01 New
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    Quote: Avior
    It was changed to the ground, delivered by Luna-16, I think a little, because a lot of research is not needed.
    Vinogradov led the study of the soil of ours, that of America, he is the first in the list of authors, a geochemist, vice-president of the USSR Academy of Sciences.
    The studies were probably carried out at the V.I.Vernadsky Institute of Geochemistry and Analytical Chemistry (GEOKHI USSR Academy of Sciences), Vinogradov was a student of Vernadsky and the creator of the institute, all Soviet samples were also examined there.
    Lunar soil and now can be seen in the museum of the institute.
    The Americans gave the lunar soil in small quantities, since a lot of research is not needed, large pieces are given only for a while for specific studies.
    But for review they are available, not for everyone, essno.
    Here is a box with large samples, on the left is the Russian cosmonaut Oleg Skrypochka

    This is the repository itself.

    smaller samples and directly the soil are in the same storage, only in other boxes, sorted by samples.

    With tyrneta unified? I already saw these pictures, but you can buy them, documents can be done in aglitsky laughingThank you!
    1. Avior
      Avior 5 July 2020 23: 00 New
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      Do you know who took the pictures?
      Contact him and just say so, conspiracy writer desires documentation .....
  25. DPN
    DPN 5 July 2020 22: 14 New
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    By that time, these science fiction novelists in Roskosmos will no longer exist.
  26. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 5 July 2020 22: 16 New
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    And here in 2009 such news began to come out. According to the Associated Press, Dutch experts conducted an analysis of the “moonstone” - an object officially donated by the then US Ambassador to the Netherlands, William Middendorf, during a Goodwill visit to the land of astronauts Neil Armstrong and Michael Collins through the State Department. and Edwin Aldrin after they completed the Apollo 11 mission in 1969. The date of handing the precious gift on October 9, 1969 is known. After the death of Mr. Dries, the most valuable relic, insured for $ 500 thousand, became an exhibit at the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam. And only now studies of the “moonstone” have shown that the US gift officially displayed next to Rembrandt’s canvases turned out to be a simple fake - a piece of petrified wood. living William Middendorf, apparently, became an involuntary accomplice of embarrassment - the most precious relic, symbolizing both the technological power of the United States and the openness of its space program, handed him to the US State Department. Suspicions aroused in 2006 - experts doubted that the Americans would transmit with such difficulty, an obtained instance of lunar soil was only three months after the landing of Apollo 11. Employees of the local university with a cursory glance appreciated that this stone was hardly once on the moon. laughingWell, yes, the lunar engines have lost, now they can’t fly anywhere, Still, like, the lunar films were washed away. laughing
    1. Avior
      Avior 5 July 2020 22: 53 New
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      Dutch experts conducted an analysis of the “moonstone” - an item officially donated by the then Dutch Ambassador to the Netherlands, William Middendorf, to the Dutch Prime Minister William Middendorf during the Goodwill visit to the land of astronauts Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin Aldrin after completion of the State Department they mission "Apollo 11" in 1969. The date of delivery of the precious gift is known - October 9, 1969.

      so many primitive inventions in one quote!
      Willem Driez was not prime minister long ago — he resigned in 1958.
      At the time of the astronaut's visit, he was 83 years old.
      The fact that he was allegedly given a moonstone is not the slightest evidence.
      Not a single paper, not a single photo, none of the participants confirmed that the gift was not reflected in the documents, and all the samples brought by the Apollo were strictly documented - that is, there is not the slightest evidence of the existence of such a stone. Why did his grandfather give-a mystery.
      Man, do you have posts without fiction? Just wondering...
  27. Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge 5 July 2020 23: 08 New
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    Rogozin sewed a new trampoline?
  28. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 July 2020 06: 16 New
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    So, in the early 70s of the last century, the entire scientific world of the planet was notified of the non-oxidizable phenomenon of “lunar iron”. Ours and American scientists knew about this, since they themselves were the first to discover this phenomenon. At first, as follows from the memoirs of Beregovoy and the explanations of O.A. Bogatikov, this was done by Soviet scientists, and then by American ones, on the tip of Soviet colleagues.

    It remains to return to the beginning of the chapter and quote the Americans again:

    If the samples were exposed to the humid atmosphere of the Earth, they will react with it. Small grains of iron in lunar samples will combine with oxygen to form rust; glasses and minerals would combine with water in the air to form clay ... [19]

    But the Americans discovered the diametrically opposite property of lunar samples — the “phenomenon of rusting” of lunar stones — instantly — just as Soviet scientists discovered the opposite property — the phenomenon of non-oxidizability. And even faster because a quick visual inspection of the samples delivered from the Moon was enough LH.

    So, in the samples delivered to Earth by the Apollo 16 mission, the so-called “Rusty rock” (sample 66095), which contained obvious traces of both external and internal rust. Then, in the early 70s, American scientists, who had not yet listened to the sensational (for them) report of the Soviet academician Bogatikov, explained this by the fact that the stone rusted in the hot and humid cabin of the Apollo command module (which, among other things, also landed in a stuffy humid tropics)




    However, a certain time passes, and almost the entire batch of soil of the Apollo 16 mission is covered with rust.
  29. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 July 2020 06: 17 New
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    NASA's lunar soil studies by South African scientists
    Before us is the work of scientists from South Africa:

    Some Inter-Element Relationships between Lunar Rocks, Fines and Stony Meteorites.
    Authors: Willis, JP; Ahrens, LH; Danchin, RV; Erlank, AJ; Gurney, JJ; * Hofmeyr, PK; Orren, MJ
    Publication: Abstracts of the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, volume 2 (1971). * Lunar and Planetary Science Institute., Pp. 36-36
    Publication Date: 01/1971
    Origin: ADS
    Bibliographic Code: 1971LPI ..... 2 ... 36W + [25] wink
  30. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 July 2020 06: 23 New
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    Quote: Avior
    Dutch experts conducted an analysis of the “moonstone” - an item officially donated by the then Dutch Ambassador to the Netherlands, William Middendorf, to the Dutch Prime Minister William Middendorf during the Goodwill visit to the land of astronauts Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin Aldrin after completion of the State Department they mission "Apollo 11" in 1969. The date of delivery of the precious gift is known - October 9, 1969.

    so many primitive inventions in one quote!
    Willem Driez was not prime minister long ago — he resigned in 1958.
    At the time of the astronaut's visit, he was 83 years old.
    The fact that he was allegedly given a moonstone is not the slightest evidence.
    Not a single paper, not a single photo, none of the participants confirmed that the gift was not reflected in the documents, and all the samples brought by the Apollo were strictly documented - that is, there is not the slightest evidence of the existence of such a stone. Why did his grandfather give-a mystery.
    Man, do you have posts without fiction? Just wondering...

    By the way, here's a link for you: https: //www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/aug/28/dutch-doubt-authenticity-of-moon-rock/ LIH laughing
    1. Avior
      Avior 6 July 2020 07: 41 New
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      Stop dragging on all sorts of garbage.
      In 1969, the Prime Minister of the Netherlands was Petrus Joseph Sitze de Jong
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Де_Йонг,_Пит
      and not Willem Dries.
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_премьер-министров_Нидерландов

      Willem Dries, then a deep pensioner, 84 years old, was the last time Prime Minister in 1958, 11 years before the flight, and after him five prime ministers were replaced at that time.
  31. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 July 2020 06: 36 New
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    Quote: Avior
    Do you know who took the pictures?
    Contact him and just say so, conspiracy writer desires documentation .....

    Quote: JonnyT
    This is all wonderful, of course, but why ????? Outrun and outrun America with its gateway?
    Amuse pride and raise ratings?
    Why is Rogozmos going to the moon?
    Again file all without result?

    Well, we were even on Venus, not like there is some kind of moon laughing
  32. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 July 2020 07: 50 New
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    I believe that in this case we can again recall the prophetic words of Orwell: "in the days of universal lie, telling the truth is extremism" laughing
  33. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 July 2020 07: 52 New
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    Quote: Avior
    Stop dragging on all sorts of garbage.
    In 1969, the Prime Minister of the Netherlands was Petrus Joseph Sitze de Jong
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Де_Йонг,_Пит
    and not Willem Dries.
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_премьер-министров_Нидерландов

    Willem Dries, then a deep pensioner, 84 years old, was the last time Prime Minister in 1958, 11 years before the flight, and after him five prime ministers were replaced at that time.

    Cited wikipedia laughing THERE ALL WRITE TO THERE laughing
    The famous words are ascribed to Abraham Lincoln: "You can deceive a part of the people all the time and the whole people for a while, but you can not deceive the whole people all the time."
  34. zwlad
    zwlad 6 July 2020 14: 57 New
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    And fly on what? What rocket is it on?