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The Indian government has allocated funds for the purchase of Russian fighters

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The Indian government has allocated funds for the purchase of Russian fighters

All the same, India will buy 33 fighters for the country's air force in Russia. According to Indian media reports, the Defense Acquisition Council (DAC) of the Cabinet of Ministers of the Government of India approved the acquisition in Russia of 12 new Su-30MKI aircraft and 21 MiG-29 aircraft from the Russian military.


According to published data, the Government of India on July 2 approved the accelerated acquisition of 33 fighters for the country's air force in Russia. 181,48 billion rupees (2,43 billion dollars) are allocated for the purchase of aircraft. At the same time, it is specified that out of a total amount of 107,3 billion rupees ($ 1,44 billion) is allocated for the purchase of 12 new Su-30MKIs, and 74,18 billion rupees ($ 990 million) is allocated for the purchase of 21 MiG-29 fighters.

The new Su-30MKIs will be assembled from delivered car kits at the Indian aircraft manufacturing association Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). These fighters should make up for the operational losses of the Indian Su-30MKI fleet.

The MiG-29 fighters delivered from the presence of the Russian Ministry of Defense are planned to be upgraded to the MiG-29UPG level. The resulting aircraft will go to equip the fourth squadron of the Indian Air Force in addition to the three that are currently armed with the MiG-29.
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  1. newcomer
    newcomer 5 July 2020 10: 19
    12
    For some reason, it seems to me that the hawks upgraded in the KB MIG will be more reliable than the Sushki collected by the Indians.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 5 July 2020 10: 24
      32
      According to Indian media reports, the Defense Acquisition Council (DAC) of the Cabinet of Ministers of the Government of India approved the acquisition in Russia of 12 new Su-30MKI aircraft and 21 MiG-29 aircraft from the Russian military.

      And what did Rafali decide not to buy anymore? It was necessary to make up for the transfer of the MiG-29 from the presence of the Russian military department with the purchase of a large consignment of the MiG-35 in the Russian Air Force.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 5 July 2020 10: 28
        13
        I just read that the paddling pool promised to deliver the party ahead of schedule. Although, according to the remarks of Indian flyers, the expensive "Rafale" does not meet the promised characteristics. But for MIG35, I'm only for, let them take more. May God grant memory, 6 pcs. it seems so far ordered.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 5 July 2020 10: 33
          28
          Ofiget. Rafal is 2 times more expensive than the F-35, and even does not meet the declared characteristics. The MiG-35D would be nice to start mass-supplying to the Russian Aerospace Forces, because even the USSR could not afford to fly only on heavy Sushki.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 5 July 2020 11: 57
            0
            Ofiget.Rafal 2 times more expensive than the F-35

            Not 2 times more expensive. The Poles were initially offered F-35s for 203 million units.
            Then they gave a discount. But the F-35 has a much higher cost of ownership. Coverage must be restored after flights constantly. Therefore, the Indians proposed the modification of the F-16 States.
            The main argument for the Rafals was also in this. That they say on Russian fighters it is often necessary to change the engines and 2, and on Rafale rarely 1. wink
            And among the Indians, the Rafale value also includes the EMNIP weaponry.
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 5 July 2020 12: 01
              20
              The main argument for the Rafals was also in this. That they say on Russian fighters it is often necessary to change the engines and 2, and on Rafale rarely 1.

              Rafal also has 2 engines. They are simply located nearby.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 5 July 2020 12: 14
                +5
                Yes you are right. Summed up the memory ...
                I missed this moment. At Mirages 1 bull. repeat
                1. yehat2
                  yehat2 5 July 2020 13: 35
                  12
                  carburetor laughing
          2. orionvitt
            orionvitt 5 July 2020 22: 45
            0
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            even the USSR could not afford to fly only on heavy Sushki.

            The USSR could afford a lot, but that's not the point. Just Sushki and MIGs, these are two different classes of aircraft, sharpened for different conditions of combat use. And the Indians, after long "dancing with tambourines", made the expected and logical decision.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 6 July 2020 00: 42
              +3
              And the Indians, after long "dancing with tambourines", made the expected and logical decision.

              This decision clearly showed that Indians are more afraid of Chinese with sticks than Americans with sanctions. smile
          3. ltc35
            ltc35 6 July 2020 06: 19
            +2
            Rafaly also relies on promises to train pilots, spare parts and their quick delivery to the place, as well as eternal friendship. It costs a lot. laughing
            1. zwlad
              zwlad 6 July 2020 09: 00
              +2
              as well as eternal friendship. It costs a lot

              well made fun
        2. Alex777
          Alex777 5 July 2020 11: 49
          +6
          But for MIG35, I’m only for, let them take more. God give me memory, 6 pcs. sort of so far ordered.

          Support! wink
          We will sell the old ones - we will buy new ones. hi
          https://ria.ru/20190617/1555619124.html
      2. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 5 July 2020 10: 31
        23 th
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        And what did Rafali decide not to buy anymore?

        Of course they will buy, the first batch delivered.
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        the purchase of a large batch of Mig-35 in the Russian Aerospace Forces.

        Who needs this stuff? Su 30,34,35 per head superior, they need to buy, extremely successful aircraft.
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 5 July 2020 10: 35
          11
          "Trash"??? Listen, what, by the way, is SU34 superior to MIG35? lol
        2. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 5 July 2020 10: 37
          19
          Junk? The most advanced fighter developed in our country, after the Su-57, of course. Compared to the MiG-35, which, like the Su-57, has AFAR, albeit optionally, the same Su-30 can be called junk.
          It is necessary to rely on the heavy Su-57, light MiG-35 and Su-34M as a drummer and carrier of the long-range missile launcher. The rest are duplicating each other in the functions of the machines, which were produced for patching holes after the collapse of the USSR.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 5 July 2020 10: 45
            24 th
            Yea Yea. In addition to the written performance characteristics there is a reality. In general, the Mig 29/35 series is unsuccessful. Just think a bit why our Army and foreign countries buy hundreds of Su27 (30,34,35) aircraft, and Mig 35 has delivered 6 pieces to our army and is not interesting to anyone abroad. Mig 29 is distributed to everyone in a row, for free (it’s more expensive to dispose of). That's all with you.
            1. newcomer
              newcomer 5 July 2020 10: 56
              12
              Well, do not confuse b.u.29e with the new ones35i. First SU and MIG are different machines for different tasks. Why SU has advanced in sales and development has long been known. By the way, the same SU27 and MIG29 are the same in terms of characteristics, with the exception of the class of machines and tasks for them. MIG35 is the same SU35 in a light, cheap class for ground, water, and strike missions, and its main task is a light front-line fighter, if you like, let it be an average front-line soldier. Throughout the filling is not inferior to SU35mu.
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 5 July 2020 11: 03
                18 th
                And with you everything is clear. Easy? The Mig 35 is heavier than the F35A and the first F15. At the price of operation, it is slightly cheaper than dryers, according to its capabilities, it is a bit weaker.
                Quote: newbie
                light front-line fighter
                It’s only in your head. At the same moment, they have the same tasks; they are fourth-generation multipurpose fighters.
                1. newcomer
                  newcomer 5 July 2020 11: 05
                  +8
                  And what have the F35 and the first 15s to do with, you already sort of begin to be called for something without hitting, but if only "in my opinion".
                2. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg 5 July 2020 11: 16
                  12
                  Someone download the comparison of weight and performance characteristics of the Mig-35 and F-35 from this link for clarity. I can’t do it. The F-35 is close in weight to the Su-57 and is not lighter, but much heavier than the Mig-35.

                  https://resize.yandex.net/si?key=a13a8573445e01138e1ea70e7c03f430&url=https%3A%2F%2Favatars.mds.yandex.net%2Fget-zen_doc%2F1712117%2Fpub_5e723ff2b22d3c6dcc1e6145_5e724034f6d9d7377d6e2831%2Fscale_1200&width=592&height=578&typemap=gif%3Agif%3Bpng%3Apng%3B*%3Ajpeg%3B&crop=no&enlarge=0&goldenratio=yes&use-cache-headers=yes&attachment=image.jpg&proxy=yes

                  It’s only in your head. At the same moment, they have the same tasks; they are fourth-generation multipurpose fighters.

                  Su-27 and Mig-29, F-15 and F-16 are also only in someone’s head divided into heavy and light fighters?
                  1. sedoj
                    sedoj 5 July 2020 12: 45
                    +3
                    There are two good articles on this topic:
                    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279186519_O_sravnenii_istrebitelej_cetvertogo_i_patogo_pokolenia_c1
                    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279186537_O_sravnenii_istrebitelej_cetvertogo_i_patogo_pokolenia_c2
                    and graphs from articles:

                3. newcomer
                  newcomer 5 July 2020 11: 59
                  +4
                  A colleague, a citizen, the characteristics are the same, taking into account the tasks they solve and the class of cars. You really bother not to twist my words.
            2. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 5 July 2020 10: 58
              +9
              In general, the Mig 29/35 series is unsuccessful.

              Therefore, India and Egypt see them and buy them. Mig-29K, Mig-29 KUB, Mig-29M.
              Just think a bit why our Army and foreign countries buy hundreds of Su27 (30,34,35) aircraft, and Mig 35 has delivered 6 pieces to our army and is not interesting to anyone abroad.

              And in what years did the state tests pass and the serial production of the Su-30 / Su-34 / Su-35 begin? Mig-35 only passes state tests and only prepares to enter the troops. There is not little interest in the Mig-35. But few will understand the raw fighter, which has not passed the state test, until they get into service with the Russian Air Force. The Mig-29M is in demand.
        3. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 5 July 2020 11: 12
          +4
          I will express a heretical idea. At least the MiG-35mi can rearm the BF and SF air forces. What is the point?
          - Firstly, Dry from the aircraft carrier will leave. They will most likely order a series of ship MiGs. If we even want to have an AV, you can’t do without buying a further 24 units.
          - further a personnel question. It is advisable, as part of the preservation of flight personnel in the fleet and the exchange of service areas, it is quite advisable to re-equip the Pokryshkinsky IAP from the Su-27S / P to the MiG-29SMTR / MiG-35. Next 2 deck regiments in the North + squadron as part of the Yeisk CA, Something like this.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 5 July 2020 11: 19
            -3
            I agree about the aircraft carrier, moment 29 will be better on it, unless of course the aircraft carrier is in service. But it’s unprofitable to keep in service 2 types of fighter targets identical in objectives, especially since one of them is fundamentally superior to the other. You can retrain pilots.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 5 July 2020 11: 24
              +5
              I. If there will be.
              II. A proposal for a Baltic MiG regiment - in order to?
              - be able to rotate personnel without retraining, and serving in more civilized regions. This is important believe me. After all, I served a quarter century behind the Arctic Circle. I have the right to say so.
              - in the Baltic, the distances are minimal, there the MiG-29SMTR / 35 will feel quite adequately.
              - Well, the Su-27S / P should be changed already. It seems that the Su-27S / P is no longer in the Air Force. Either in the navy, or in training.
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 5 July 2020 11: 29
                0
                I agree about this theater. My opinion is that MiG29 will be removed from service in the coming years, the resource is being developed, Sushi is being replaced, we are actively distributing MiGs to our allies.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 5 July 2020 11: 35
                  0
                  All true.
                  With regard to the fleet, this is still the level of Wishlist and the question is complex. What I have no doubt will order the MiG-35 for Swifts + SMT will remain in 116 pulp and paper industry. VKS will not have combat MiGs.
              2. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 5 July 2020 11: 31
                -4
                I'm sorry KB MiG. In fact, he ate it dry. I can not hear about new projects, old ones live their lives. It’s sad.
                1. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg 5 July 2020 11: 43
                  +2
                  Quote: Grazdanin
                  I'm sorry KB MiG. In fact, he ate it dry. I can not hear about new projects, old ones live their lives. It’s sad.

                  About PAK DP and LMI have not heard?
                2. Kolka Semenov
                  Kolka Semenov 5 July 2020 14: 58
                  -1
                  MiG ate himself.
            2. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 5 July 2020 11: 45
              +6
              Quote: Grazdanin
              I agree about the aircraft carrier, moment 29 will be better on it, unless of course the aircraft carrier is in service.

              Quote: Cyril G ...
              If we even want to have an AV, you can’t do without buying a further 24 units.

              Colleagues, the whole point is that the MiG-35K needs to reduce landing speed ... The eyes of flyers get out of their orbits and the retina exfoliates at such landing loads (speeds)!
              Therefore, there are 2 ways: either to improve the mechanization of the wing, or to increase its area ... True, there is a third - to increase the flight deck of TAVKR-a by 30 m. But this path is not for Kuzi, who, according to the promises of Rakhmanov, will be patched up by 2022. Boom to wait!
              AHA.
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 5 July 2020 11: 53
                -5
                There are many ways to resolve the issue, which in the end will not be clear.
        4. tomket
          tomket 5 July 2020 16: 58
          0
          Quote: Grazdanin
          Who needs this stuff? Su 30,34,35 per head superior, they need to buy, extremely successful aircraft.

          By the way, the same MiG-29SMT in Syria proved itself extremely well, and the military liked it.
      3. svp67
        svp67 5 July 2020 11: 00
        +4
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        And what did Rafali decide not to buy anymore?

        The French can not deliver the required number of aircraft within the specified time. And so they put the next pair faster, but said that was the limit. And the Indians need airplanes already yesterday ...
      4. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 5 July 2020 11: 14
        0
        Better let them buy the Su-35
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 5 July 2020 11: 25
          +3
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          Better let them buy the Su-35

          The Su-35 is a heavy vehicle of a transitional generation, until the Su-57 enters the troops. On heavy vehicles alone we will not fly far. Let them buy the Su-57 and MiG-35.
          1. Grits
            Grits 5 July 2020 14: 14
            +1
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            Let them buy Su-57 and MiG

            No, really. You need such a cow yourself. If the Mig-29 is sold to them with the aim of replacing the Mig-35 in their parts, then it is very commendable. But something to me the pessimistic chuyka suggests that there will be no stupid replacement ...
      5. 1976AG
        1976AG 5 July 2020 11: 24
        0
        It refers to the MiG-29s that are in storage, and not in combat units. As for the MiG-35, there is no information about the end of its tests and how long they will last. Again, there is no clarity about the readiness of the Zhuk-A radar.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 5 July 2020 11: 36
          +3
          Quote: 1976AG
          It refers to the MiG-29s that are in storage, and not in combat units. As for the MiG-35, there is no information about the end of its tests and how long they will last. Again, there is no clarity about the readiness of the Zhuk-A radar.

          Test MiG-35 will end at the end of 2021. In a year. Zhuk-AM already exists.
          1. 1976AG
            1976AG 5 July 2020 14: 21
            +1
            Where did the information from the end of the test come from, and why so long? There was no talk about Zhuk-AM, they were going to put Zhuk-M. The fact that there is a radar does not mean that it is tested and ready for production. There is also a MiG-35, but the tests will not end in any way.
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 5 July 2020 16: 35
              +2
              Information from the Russian Aerospace Forces. 5 years of testing (from the beginning of 2017 to actually the beginning of 2022) for a long time, but let's hope that the car is brought to the requirements of the Russian Aerospace Forces for so long, which means that there is real interest in mass production on its part.
              State tests of the new light Russian MiG-35 fighter are scheduled to be completed at the end of 2021. The Air Force Commander - Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces (VKS) Sergei Dronov told the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper this in an interview timed to coincide with the Day of the Air Force (VVS).

              "State tests of the MiG-35 are planned to be completed at the end of 2021," Dronov said.

              He noted that the MiG-35 differs from the Su-30SM and Su-35S fighters in service with its efficiency. "The cost of its flight hour is approximately one and a half times lower than that of modern aircraft of the Sukikh family," Dronov said.

              https://www.ng.ru/news/654740.html
              1. 1976AG
                1976AG 5 July 2020 17: 07
                0
                Thanks for the information.
          2. 1976AG
            1976AG 5 July 2020 14: 36
            0
            They were going to put the Beetle-A
      6. mdsr
        mdsr 5 July 2020 12: 01
        +7
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        It is necessary to make up for the transfer of the MiG-29 from the presence of the Russian military department with the purchase of a large batch of MiG-35s in the Russian Air Force.

        Be sure to make up! I remember that they were exported, but Algeria rejected them and, in such an interesting way, our Air Force replenished with new MiGs. They were based in Kursk and were driven very intensively. The pilots were very pleased with them. Recently, they kind of relocated to Krasnodar. But at the expense of the MiG-35 I'm not sure that it will be better than the same Su-30SM.
        Selling these MiGs is generally a super deal. good For this money, you can buy new aircraft for the VKS. I know this doesn’t work like that, but I hope that at the top they’ll figure out what’s going to be bought and at least 1 additional squadron of brand new aircraft in addition to the already contracted ones.
      7. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 5 July 2020 16: 08
        0
        MiGs already exist, they only need to make pre-sale preparation, and when will they be "rafali"? The Indians fussed when they smelled of fried))))
    2. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 5 July 2020 11: 00
      10 th
      And what kind of MiG is it for them, when they buy their own Teigas?
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 5 July 2020 11: 06
        +4
        Looks like MIG will be better.
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 5 July 2020 12: 23
          -6
          Looks like MIG will be better.

          Hindus think differently. For them, as it turned out, their own light fighter is better.
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 5 July 2020 16: 52
            +1
            With Tejas, the story is a bit different. For some reason, it is essential for them to have a single-engine passenger car of the MIG21 class. I would advise them not to waste the time already spent, but initially contact the MIG Design Bureau with an order. I am sure the order would have been fulfilled long ago, over the years.
      2. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 5 July 2020 11: 10
        +1
        Mig 29 can be quickly obtained, ground infrastructure is ready, pilots are trained. Maybe there are some internal problems. And the Hindus have a different head structure than ours.
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 5 July 2020 12: 25
          -4
          Mig 29 can be quickly obtained, ground infrastructure is ready, pilots are trained. Maybe there are some internal problems. And the Hindus have a different head structure than ours.

          Used ones can be quickly obtained, but new ones must be made first. It's not that fast.
          Well, they really have infrastructure for the MiG-29, you can’t argue with that.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 5 July 2020 12: 27
            -3
            About b / ear speech and it comes, there is no point in buying new ones from the word at all.
            1. Jack O'Neill
              Jack O'Neill 5 July 2020 12: 30
              -2
              About b / ear speech and it comes, there is no point in buying new ones from the word at all.

              Why B / U's? What year is the car?
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 5 July 2020 12: 31
                0
                The MiG-29 fighters delivered from the presence of the Russian Ministry of Defense are planned to be upgraded to the MiG-29UPG level.
                1. Jack O'Neill
                  Jack O'Neill 5 July 2020 12: 33
                  +1
                  The MiG-29 fighters delivered from the presence of the Russian Ministry of Defense are planned to be upgraded to the MiG-29UPG level.


                  Ahh, I’m gouging into my eyes.) Thank you!
                  Then yes, it would not be bad to replenish your MiG UPG fleet.
                  1. Grazdanin
                    Grazdanin 5 July 2020 12: 38
                    -9
                    Distribute and forget about these MiGs is necessary, except in addition to the naval
              2. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 5 July 2020 12: 33
                -1
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                We are talking about the Kursk SMT, 36 such units. Their service life in the region is 12 years.
                Newly built SMT, we have 16 + 2 new UB ...
                A total of 21 CMTs are for sale. Newly built and the rest of Kursk will be concentrated in Astrakhan. Well, ship's of course. Kursk MiGs have been withdrawn to the reserve for at least a year now.
              3. tomket
                tomket 5 July 2020 17: 01
                +1
                Quote: Jack O'Neill
                Why B / U's? What year is the car?

                It is thought that it will be the Kursk SMT which are being put out for repair due to the re-equipment of the regiment on the Su-30SM
      3. Zeev zeev
        Zeev zeev 5 July 2020 11: 11
        +4
        Own teijas still need to produce. And the MiG-29 needs only to be delivered
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 5 July 2020 12: 28
          -1
          Own teijas still need to produce. And the MiG-29 needs only to be delivered

          Those. Do we have MiG-29M warehouses for Indian hotels? Otherwise, where are you going to supply them from right away?
          Maybe they will want to cram AFAR into the MiG-29, make a "glass" cockpit, and even a square chassis. Is all this ready for transfer to India?)
          And Teidas flies, already how many boards are made there.
          1. Zeev zeev
            Zeev zeev 5 July 2020 13: 12
            +3
            There are no warehouses. But to satisfy the rather modest Indian Wishlist (they urgently need to increase the number of MiG-29 in the troops in order to reduce the quantitative and qualitative gap with the PLA air force) is enough. And pre-sale preparation of the vehicles withdrawn from service in Russia will in any case be faster than the construction of new Tejas
      4. mdsr
        mdsr 5 July 2020 12: 10
        +6
        Quote: Jack O'Neill
        And what kind of MiG is it for them, when they buy their own Teigas?

        On these MiGs, you can even go to battle today. The pilots are trained, the infrastructure is available, the mechanics know the car. And Tejas is a crude machine, a designer from products of many countries.
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 5 July 2020 12: 29
          -3
          On these MiGs, you can even go to battle today. The pilots are trained, the infrastructure is available, the mechanics know the car. And Tejas is a crude machine, a designer from products of many countries.

          See answers Zeev zeev и Grazdanin.
      5. alexmach
        alexmach 5 July 2020 13: 27
        +1
        And what kind of MiG is it for them, when they buy their own Teigas?

        They want to increase the number of aircraft as quickly as possible. And not to the detriment of all current programs.
      6. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 5 July 2020 16: 12
        +1
        It's not even funny to compare a flying misunderstanding and a MiG, at least not correctly
    3. Bar1
      Bar1 5 July 2020 11: 54
      -2
      I wonder why bypass mig35 is it almost a new car? A ban, is it something in Russia and India too?
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 5 July 2020 16: 15
        +2
        Quote: Bar1
        I wonder why bypass mig35 is it almost a new car? A ban, is it something in Russia and India too?

        At least their trials must be completed.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 5 July 2020 17: 32
          -6
          Quote: 1976AG
          Quote: Bar1
          I wonder why bypass mig35 is it almost a new car? A ban, is it something in Russia and India too?

          At least their trials must be completed.

          and how many will you complete them, a hundred years?
          India is already offering them, so everything is ready, so do not invent.
          1. 1976AG
            1976AG 5 July 2020 17: 40
            +1
            Quote: Bar1
            Quote: 1976AG
            Quote: Bar1
            I wonder why bypass mig35 is it almost a new car? A ban, is it something in Russia and India too?

            At least their trials must be completed.

            and how many will you complete them, a hundred years?
            India is already offering them, so everything is ready, so do not invent.


            Firstly, I’m not experiencing them and the claims are not for me.
            Secondly, they were offered to India for the first time several years ago, I don’t even remember which year. You want to say that their trials have long been completed? So I’m not making it up, but informing you that the MiG-35 tests are not yet complete.
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 5 July 2020 22: 09
              -4
              Quote: 1976AG
              Quote: Bar1
              Quote: 1976AG
              Quote: Bar1
              I wonder why bypass mig35 is it almost a new car? A ban, is it something in Russia and India too?

              At least their trials must be completed.

              and how many will you complete them, a hundred years?
              India is already offering them, so everything is ready, so do not invent.


              Firstly, I’m not experiencing them and the claims are not for me.
              Secondly, they were offered to India for the first time several years ago, I don’t even remember which year. You want to say that their trials have long been completed? So I’m not making it up, but informing you that the MiG-35 tests are not yet complete.

              and you want to say that India did not offer an exhausted exterminator? That's impossible.
              Obviously, Mink35 is restrained in production, and this is clearly at hand for the enemies of the Russians.
              1. 1976AG
                1976AG 6 July 2020 05: 50
                0
                It was the unfinished offered. We have some kind of strange system, the main thing is to conclude a contract, and there we will somehow bring it to mind.
  2. Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 5 July 2020 10: 22
    -7
    A great deal sold car kits, upgrades and got rid of Mig29. They have not all been distributed yet?
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 5 July 2020 11: 52
      10
      Quote: Grazdanin
      got rid of Mig29. They have not all been distributed yet?

      In vain you are so ... Vaughn, Poland (there was a dash of ambition!) Is buying MiGs from the countries of the former socialist camp ... Germany gave it its MiG-ari, they bribed it from its brothers ... What can they put into operation, that they can’t - cannibals for flying ...
      And until the amas supply them with the F-35s, the proud panS will fly on the "useless" (- in your words) MiG-29s ... And nothing, by the way, about low flight characteristics, etc. they do not curl, although the dermis in them is "a huge volume!" (from).
      Sincerely.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 5 July 2020 11: 58
        -7
        Poland receives these blinks for free or almost for free, buying new 4s when you wait for new 5s is really stupid. It is more correct to maintain what is. Aircraft is not only the machine itself; it is ground-based infrastructure, pilots, maintenance personnel, etc. Making vinaigrette from different machines with the same tasks is really stupid.
    2. mdsr
      mdsr 5 July 2020 12: 11
      +4
      Quote: Grazdanin
      and got rid of Mig29. They have not all been distributed yet?

      It was fresh, Algerian SMT
  3. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 5 July 2020 10: 32
    +8
    As soon as a real war loomed ... long-term dances with purchases were temporarily stopped ... I want effective and combat ... and most importantly now and quickly ...
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 5 July 2020 10: 55
      +4
      Quote: silberwolf88
      As soon as the real war loomed ...

      Yes, there’s not even a matter of war. Comrades, and without war, much:
      These fighters should make up for the operational losses of the Indian Su-30MKI fleet.
    2. michael2000
      michael2000 5 July 2020 11: 19
      -2
      To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear?
  4. Sergey39
    Sergey39 5 July 2020 10: 33
    0
    The Chinese are well done. In time fussed.
  5. jekasimf
    jekasimf 5 July 2020 10: 36
    +2
    Roasted cock, still pecked.
  6. evgenii67
    evgenii67 5 July 2020 10: 45
    -1
    Yeah, Hindus guys, everyone is dancing and dancing back and forth. For Russia it would be better if India ordered the MiG-35, there would be a good incentive for the enterprise and the future aircraft. And so to give the available letaki from the sost, I don’t know, I don’t know.
    Is there an aviator here? As far as I know, Russia does not buy new MiG29 / 35s, only a part has been upgraded to smt, well, how many of them are left in Russia capable of flying into the air, pieces of 100 plus or minus?
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 5 July 2020 10: 52
      10 th
      Quote: evgenii67
      And so give the available letaki from Sostova, well, I don’t know

      Very good deal, more expensive to dispose of. In exchange, you can buy normal Dryers. All of them have exhausted resources, are very outdated, their maintenance is more expensive than new ones.
      Quote: evgenii67
      get dressed in the air, pieces 100 plus or minus?

      Maybe 20-30 left, I think in the near future will be distributed to the allies. MiGs at the price of service are slightly less than Sushki, according to their capabilities a cut below.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 5 July 2020 11: 03
      +7
      We are talking about the Kursk SMT, 36 such units. Their service life in the region is 12 years.
      Newly built SMT, we have 16 + 2 new UB ...
      A total of 21 CMTs are for sale. Newly built and the rest of Kursk will be concentrated in Astrakhan. Well, ship of course.
      Old MiGs that can be transferred to the Allies in the region of 30-60 units withdrawn to the reserve.
      And so to give the available letaki from the sost, I don’t know, I don’t know.

      Kursk MiGs have been withdrawn to the reserve for at least a year.
      1. tomket
        tomket 5 July 2020 17: 02
        0
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        Kursk MiGs have been withdrawn to the reserve for at least a year.

        It seems that they started to capitalize on a few
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 6 July 2020 09: 58
          -1
          Well, if so. The question is, why not Eribuni rearm on SMT?
    3. 1976AG
      1976AG 5 July 2020 16: 17
      0
      Not from the current composition, but those that are in storage.
  7. 416D
    416D 5 July 2020 10: 48
    10
    And the Chinese for organizing kipish at the right time in the right place, is it supposed to roll back from this transaction?
  8. bar
    bar 5 July 2020 10: 54
    +2
    All the same, India will buy 33 fighters for the country's air force in Russia.

    Sharply, they did not even dance. Apparently, the Chinese provided good assistance in promoting our weapons to India. laughing
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 5 July 2020 11: 44
      0
      Quote: bar
      Apparently, the Chinese provided good assistance in promoting our weapons to India.

      Here, I’m directly asking:
  9. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 5 July 2020 10: 57
    +4
    21 MiG-29 aircraft from the presence of the Russian military.

    Oops As I thought, we should talk about Kursk SMT.
  10. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 5 July 2020 11: 00
    -2
    We are waiting for an article in Zemin Ribao on the Russia-India plane deal, if they are silent, it means that China has some interest from us.
  11. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 5 July 2020 11: 04
    +3
    Quote: Grazdanin
    Very good deal, more expensive to dispose of.


    Undoubtedly.
  12. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 5 July 2020 11: 09
    -1
    One IAP in the Russian Aerospace Forces will be less?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 5 July 2020 11: 26
      +6
      Which side? Kursk MiG-29SMT is already 1-2 years in reserve. The regiment was rearmament on the Su-30SM.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 5 July 2020 11: 28
        -1
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        Kursk MiG-29SMT is already 1-2 years in reserve. The regiment was rearmament on the Su-30SM.

        Do you think the Russian Aerospace Forces have one IAP?
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 5 July 2020 11: 32
          +4
          There was only one regiment left on the MiG-29 - a ship regiment. 100th KIAP. The 14th IAP (Kursk) has already been rearmament on the Su-30SM, part of the MiGs are also in reserve there. The remaining SMTs are concentrated in Astrakhan, 116 pulp and paper industry.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 5 July 2020 12: 40
            -1
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            On the MiG-29 there was only one regiment — a ship’s.

            According to the Wiki, only in the Russian Air Force - 114 MiG-29 ....
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 5 July 2020 13: 39
              +1
              I'm not interested in Vicki.
              I spoke about the military personnel and here are the facts:
              The Navy - 22 MiG-29K
              As part of the VKS, I really forgot about another separate IAE still flying on the MiG-29 old. This is Eribuni. 16-18 sides.
              Everything in the combat crew is no longer a single machine.

              In training centers - there are about 20 SMT / UBM in Astrakhan (116 pulp and paper / https: //bmpd.livejournal.com/1652578.html), and about the same number of boards in Kubinka.
              There are 10-12 more operational UB in Kushchevskaya in UAP of the Krasnodar Institute.
              There are 30 SMT aircraft in reserve in Halino / Kursk.
              Total total - 88 (22 + 16 + 20 + 20 + 10) +30 standby.
              Of the reserve, apparently planning to sell 21 boards to India.
              In addition, a number of old 29s are still in the crap. Of these, a certain amount was transferred to Syria and 6 pieces of Serbia
              The combat staff of the Russian Air Force here, in principle, does not lose anything.
              1. d4rkmesa
                d4rkmesa 5 July 2020 14: 02
                0
                I wonder where in this case they will find the application of the Mig-35.
  13. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 5 July 2020 11: 41
    +1
    According to published data, the Government of India on July 2 approved the accelerated acquisition of 33 fighters for the country's air force in Russia.

    To the campaign, the thunder struck, the cancer whistled, the dances ended ...
  14. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 5 July 2020 11: 50
    -5
    Su-30 - understandably, I agree with the Indians.
    But what about the used MiG-29? recourse
    How were they kept? Plus, how will the Indians be kept? Plus, the plane itself has problems - a weak radar, for example.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 5 July 2020 12: 07
      -4
      Apparently, we really need airplanes, we do not know the real state of the Indian Air Force. These MiGs will be delivered by the end of the summer, the infrastructure is ready, the pilots and maintenance staff are ready. If you need airplanes right here and now, then a reasonable choice. In fact, they have no choice. If India had F16 in service, then they would be ordered, before the end of the summer several hundred Fok would be))
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 5 July 2020 13: 35
        +1
        The real state is known. Their auditors periodically check the state of the army. And their reports are sad. Two-thirds or more of the aircraft are pinned down. There are, like, elite squadrons. Some fly on "Frenchmen" and, accordingly, lobby the French. Hence - Rafali. Others fly on Sushki. And that's why Russian planes are lobbying.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 5 July 2020 16: 20
          +1
          So after a couple of years, and this supply will rot in the hangars, they will buy new ones))
    2. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 5 July 2020 14: 09
      0
      Weak radar can be upgraded, in particular, Zhuk-M2E was mentioned before this purchase in the context of upgrading Indian MiGs, not AFAR, of course (for AFAR it would be necessary to build the entire architecture of on-board systems around the radar, which explains the long development of the MiG-35) But for an upgrade there will be norms. The main thing is the ability to use missiles at targets like the Su-27K and Su-35 at a range of 100+ km.
    3. tomket
      tomket 5 July 2020 17: 06
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      But what about the used MiG-29?
      How were they kept?

      There are full photos of the Kursk SMT. But here it is, they will paint it and everything will be normal.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Plus, how will the Indians be kept?

      It seems to be normal they contain MiGs.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Plus, the plane itself has problems - a weak radar, for example.

      The beetle seems to descend for the first time. Then maybe something more interesting
    4. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 6 July 2020 10: 01
      -1
      Contained as usual. 6 MiG-29 (9-13) handed over from the sludge to the Serbs - fly.
  15. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 5 July 2020 12: 51
    +1
    Quote: Lara Croft
    Quote: Cyril G ...
    On the MiG-29 there was only one regiment — a ship’s.

    According to the Wiki, only in the Russian Air Force - 114 MiG-29 ....

    Russia
    Maritime aviation - 19 MiG-29K, 3 MiG-29KUB, as of 2020 [14]
    The Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy - 19 MiG-29K, 4 MiG-29KUB, as of 2020 [15]
    Aerospace forces - 70 MiG-29 and MiG-29UB, 44 MiG-29SMT, 6 MiG-29UBT as of 2020 [16]
    4th Army Air Force and Air Defense - 12 MiG-29, as of 2020 [17]
    Old modifications are gradually being phased out of the videoconferencing system. There is a rearmament to new models, for example, on the MiG-29SMT and Su-30CM. [18] Modernization of fighters of an old building is recognized as inexpedient due to physical deterioration and corrosion [19] [20] [21] [22].
    THIS IF A SUBJECT FROM WIKI
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 5 July 2020 18: 55
      0
      Quote: Ovsigovets
      Quote: Lara Croft
      Quote: Cyril G ...
      On the MiG-29 there was only one regiment — a ship’s.

      According to the Wiki, only in the Russian Air Force - 114 MiG-29 ....

      THIS IF A SUBJECT FROM WIKI

      Apparently we have different WIKI laughing

      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8B_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8#%D0%90%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%B8_%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%86%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 6 July 2020 10: 04
      -1
      Re-equipment on SMT does not go. Only 18 old MiGs in Eribuni are in combat. Kursk SMT in reserve. New SMT in 116 pulp and paper industry in Astrakhan. Kubinka and Eribuni fly on old MiGs.
  16. Prisoner
    Prisoner 5 July 2020 13: 00
    +2
    As a war smell and Russian apparatus wanted. And how they danced, how they danced!
    1. Grits
      Grits 5 July 2020 14: 31
      0
      "Wait, Wait, wait, wait!"
  17. Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto 5 July 2020 15: 08
    +1
    ... and then you need to think carefully and take Mig 35 at least 2 regiments
  18. DEVIL LIFE`S
    DEVIL LIFE`S 5 July 2020 20: 13
    0
    Let them pay extra for the speed of delivery, as usual with deliveries.
  19. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 5 July 2020 21: 13
    0
    Quote: Lara Croft
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8B_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8#%D0%90%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%B8_%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%86%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0

    you just have an unreleased tablet .... for 2019 ... I have it as of 2020 ... by the way 44 mig-29cm and they sounded for me, and 70 UBTs, if you count all my blurred ones, it’s possible
  20. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 5 July 2020 21: 14
    0
    Quote: Lara Croft
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    Quote: Lara Croft
    Quote: Cyril G ...
    On the MiG-29 there was only one regiment — a ship’s.

    According to the Wiki, only in the Russian Air Force - 114 MiG-29 ....

    THIS IF A SUBJECT FROM WIKI

    Apparently we have different WIKI laughing

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8B_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8#%D0%90%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%B8_%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%86%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0

    and by the way about the main thing, which is clear from my and yours - there will be no new 29 produced, some will be upgraded to the SMT version, some will be written off due to decrepitude
  21. zwlad
    zwlad 6 July 2020 12: 10
    0
    Fine. Saved jobs, plus a small investment in the economy.
  22. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 6 July 2020 12: 46
    -1
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    part will be upgraded to the SMT version,


    I believe, reasonably, this will not happen.
  23. Inspector
    Inspector 6 July 2020 19: 07
    0
    Don’t you care about the Indians? When will the caponiers begin to build ?? Sun's glorious temple built !! About caponiers - SILENCE.
  24. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 6 July 2020 20: 45
    0
    Quote: Cyril G ...
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    part will be upgraded to the SMT version,


    I believe, reasonably, this will not happen.

    if there is no justification then it won’t be ...