Russian EMR-guns increased the range of defeat

The prototypes of Russian electromagnetic guns have increased range to 10 km. This was reported by TASS with reference to two sources in the military-industrial complex (MIC).

According to sources, the Russian samples of EMR-weapons pass field tests, within which it was possible to achieve guaranteed destruction of targets at a distance of 10 km. Previously, the defeat range was no more than 1-2 km.

Tests of electromagnetic weapons have been going on since 2015, the last polygon firing from EMP guns took place in the spring. Currently, the average effective range of electromagnetic guns firing at air targets is 7-8 km, the maximum is approximately 10

- leads the agency the words of one of their sources.

According to another source, the destruction of aircraft at a distance of 10 km occurred by "burning electronic components of their on-board equipment." During the tests, the EMP weapon destroyed various devices without the possibility of their recovery, as well as unmanned aerial vehicles.

However, it is noted that today the main problem of the new electromagnetic weapon is the huge need for electricity, so in the near future the creation of compact mobile complexes of EMR weapons is hardly possible.

Comments

[Siberian 66]

Move in the right direction! As soon as this thing gets into the IL-76. it will be very, very buzzing.

[newcomer]

Alternatively, it is possible to use a mini-nuclear power plant (fits in the body of an army KAMAZ), work on which seems to be either being conducted, or being carried out on an initiative basis.

[carstorm 11]

work on such reactors is certainly not an initiative. it is too important.

[newcomer]

They just need to be brought to the required parameters. After all, experimental models were already in the Union. And why on an initiative basis, because either they reduced it, or completely removed it. The developer at his own expense brings.

[carstorm 11]

I mean, now they cannot help but allocate a lot of funds. Bringing to mind such devices is an extremely important action. state important.

[newcomer]

Apparently, the importance of this installation is number two, after Lomonosov.

[Alex777]

Going to work. Term - 2023.

The cost of creating product samples will exceed 20 billion rubles, and therefore the project will take longer

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4508435
I could be wrong, but something tells me that such sources can also be put on ships with partial electric propulsion.
The principle is not reactor. That would be too complicated. There is heating of bimetallic plates, as I understand it.

[newcomer]

Of course it is possible. Pretty versatile station. Initially, in the Union, their use was planned by our Arctic units of the Ministry of Defense. I am very glad that the work has resumed.

[Desert Battleship]

Energy weapons definitely have a future. Mini NPPs are of course a good thing, but somehow in the mobile version, the issue of biological protection is not resolved in any way and whether they will be solved and in my opinion this is the lot of stationary plants. In the mobile version, it seems to me that super capacitors and all kinds of lithium batteries that can give maximum power in a split second will be relevant. There will already be a game in battery capacity with the number of salvos and generator power with a reload speed and physical dimensions where to put all this.

[PN]

Well, in the IL-76 it will fit. By the way, for an airplane it will be a good missile defense, it will burn out any electronics of a flying rocket.

[Zeev zeev]

Ballistic missiles have electronics protection. Moreover, the protection is designed for the electromagnetic effects of a nuclear explosion.

[PN]

Well, a ballistic missile, yes, it's hard to bang. But here’s an air defense missile launched by plane, you can try ...

[Zeev zeev]

The same story, anti-aircraft missiles were designed in the 1960s so that the effects of a nuclear explosion did not kill electronics.

[yfast]

Any protection can be bent. And the rocket cannot be just an iron ball, there must be some non-metallic areas on it.

[convoy]

Well Kulibiny, edrit them in the leg .... Well done!

[Victor_B]

If it is really possible to knock down UAVs at such distances, then - URA.
Although, on the other hand, if these are real ARMY drones, then they are necessarily tested on EMR.
And must keep.
In any case, all our military equipment is tested on EMR.

[Vyacheslav gomanov]

And the West does not test its technology on EMP?

[NIKN]

Quote: Vyacheslav Gomanov

And the West does not test its technology on EMP?

Experiencing. That's just the test of bulletproof vests, but from armor-piercing 12,7 or 14.5 the bulletproof vest is rather weak. So here, a purposeful powerful EMP, the existing protection of the avionics will break through, and the additional protection is visible and the weight and cost ...

[Vyacheslav gomanov]

Modern equipment is difficult to burn EMR.

[hydrox]

EMP from a nuclear explosion and the effect of EMF are two different physical phenomena: in one case it is a single impulse (of known amplitude, duration and steepness of the front, smeared away from the epicenter), in the other case it is a beam of directed EM radiation of unknown modulation beforehand, power and duration of impact on the target - so for now that protection will be created ...

[Sergey M. Karasev]

However, it is noted that today the main problem of the new electromagnetic weapon is the huge need for electricity, so in the near future the creation of compact mobile complexes of EMR weapons is hardly possible.

A common problem. In the West, they also rested in the absence of a light and compact EU with the highest specific power. Now the question is for power engineers. Whoever first puts the required EI into production will be the king of the EMP weapon.

[poquello]

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

In the West, they also rested in the absence of a light and compact EU with the highest specific power. Now the question is for power engineers. Whoever first puts the required EI into production will be the king of the EMP weapon.

prick, prick, I have not heard about the success of the bourgeoisie in the EMP

[Eug]

On ships can be placed for close defense, it is easier to provide the required power there.

[orionvitt]

How much power the power plant does not increase, but the installation itself has its own limit. In any case, a decrease in the electromagnetic field is inversely proportional to the square of the distance. If you want to double the damage range, you need to increase your power by four.

[Nikolaevich I]

According to another source, the destruction of aircraft at a distance of 10 km took place by "burning the electronic components of their onboard equipment." or ...The prototypes of Russian electromagnetic guns have increased range to 10 km.Duc, would have decided to start! Sho tse take !? "Cannons" or EMP weapons? After all, these are two "Odessa" differences!

[newcomer]

Pordon, a colleague, isn't a gun a weapon, or a gun a gun?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: newbie

Pordon, a colleague, is not a gun a gun, or a gun is not a gun

Uuuu ... as it turns out on the site, "everything is running"! Some concepts that have become "commonplace", that is, familiar, have already settled down! That is, when they talk about "electromagnetic guns", they usually mean "analogs" of artillery guns, firing "kinetic projectiles"! Here are just "propelling charges" they have, not powder! But there is also the concept of EMP-weapons, when objects (targets) are hit not by "kinetics", but by "pure" electromagnetic energy! So there is, for example, the abbreviation EMP (electromagnetic impulse) ... although, this is not "our everything". ..electromagnetic! That is, there is still "a difference between a fork and a bottle"! And in the article he gets confused by the concepts of "fork and bottle" ....

[newcomer]

The throwing charge can be both an impulse and a shell. 21st century, colleague. About the plug and the bottle_ how many times I said to myself: not to chat on the site on weekends, a lot of wonderful. Well, if you have only a bottle and a fork in sight ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Mdaaa ... "launched" turned out to be much more than originally thought! One "pearl": "A propelling charge can be both an impulse and a projectile "-What's worth! There is nothing for me to do in this TsPSh!

[newcomer]

You would have to figure out what this or that impulse consists of, then we can clearly.

[atos_kin]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

I have nothing to do in this CPH!

You are not alone, colleague. The terminological mess in the heads of article authors is boiling at an unprecedented rate, and the VO site swallows everything.

[sen]

But there is also the concept of EMP weapons, when objects (targets) are hit not by "kinetics", but by "pure" electromagnetic energy! So there is, for example, the abbreviation EMP (electromagnetic impulse)

Well yes. And then there are EM cannons that "shoot" microwave radiation. In the USA, such emitters have been created to destroy UAVs.

[riwas]

And then there are EM cannons that "shoot" microwave radiation.

In a very long term, the use of artificial plasmoids is possible. Well, so far there is deaf.
In 1961, Shakhparonov I.M. I got something similar.
http://www.sinor.ru/~bukren6/shahparonov.doc
http://www.sinor.ru/~bukren5/manykin1.doc

[sen]

I read about Shakhparonov’s experiments. He has several Soviet patents, including and chipboard. And he does not work alone - he has a Belgorod group.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: sen

more EM guns

Decide! EM guns are railguns.

[sen]

At one time, there was a conversation at VO about microwave guns based on micro-EM radiation.
https://topwar.ru/147971-mikrovolnovye-pushki-na-vooruzhenii-i-v-planah.html

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: sen

And then there are EM cannons that "shoot" microwave radiation. In the USA, such emitters have been created to destroy UAVs.

So emitters or guns? Emitting or shooting? You will decide, in the end! For, for, several comments, I am waiting for the "so gifted" readers of VO to finally understand the meaning of the expression: "do not confuse a fork with a bottle!" That is, do not confuse the concepts: "emitter" and a gun .... "emit" and "shoot"! All sorts of ... "microwave guns", "acoustic guns", even "laser guns" - these are unofficial or, at best, "semi-official" names! If anyone has the right to officially claim the "cannon rank", then these are electromagnetic cannons of a rail type (railgun) or a solenoid type (Gaussgang) that shoot "mass"! The rest is emitters emitting energy ... even impulsively ... even continuously ... even with a beam ... ... even for the entire 360 ​​degrees. !

[sen]

Well, if you approach strictly, then the railgun is not a cannon. And judging by the materials of the article, we are talking about microwave radiation. This is how "Foliage" works, for example, but only at a short distance.

[sen]

shooting "mass"

Under this description, and catapults fall.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: sen

Under this description, and catapults fall.

Under the ,, description ,, the frigate and the bird fall! And the ability to distinguish in one case or another, xy from xy depends on the mental abilities of the individual, who blurt out one or another, I declare!

[Sergey39]

And interestingly, all the news media are repeating this confusion.

[BAI]

Journalists could confuse terminology. Easy. For example, in 2000, a photograph of a prototype American rifle was published. It was called an EMI rifle. Principle of action: The laser beam created an ionized track to the target, along which a powerful electric discharge was transmitted. It was a portable weapon (weight up to 12 kg) and it was reported that during the tests a car was stopped by a shot (distance was not reported). Those. it turned out a defeat controlled by lightning. Well, what does EMR have to do with it?

[Genry]

However, it is noted that today the main problem of the new electromagnetic weapon is the huge need for electricity, so in the near future the creation of compact mobile complexes of EMR weapons is hardly possible.

The author is very mistaken.
For funds defeats (not suppression) energy is consumed short-periodically, narrowly directed to a specific target and therefore does not require large amounts of it.

[newcomer]

And the concentration of energy in the suppression and defeat does not matter? And the goal is usually not one.

[Genry]

To destroy several targets in a short period, you need to have an appropriate energy storage-storage system, which will determine the "ammunition" and differ in the capacity of capacitor, ionistor and storage batteries. The power input will determine the average "rate of fire" and be severely limited by the cooling system (as in lasers).

[newcomer]

Indeed, in any case, it will require energy at an industrial scale.
By concentration of energy, I did not mean accumulation, but the power of an impulse / shot.

[Genry]

Quote: newbie

Indeed, in any case, it will require energy at an industrial scale.

You show with your hands apart ...
Let's get the numbers!

[newcomer]

Henry, do not be clever, maybe you also have the key to the apartment ...

[Genry]

Quote: newbie

don't be smart

What industrial scale are you here?

[newcomer]

Much larger than your outlet in the computer produces.

[Genry]

Quote: newbie

Much larger than your outlet in the computer produces.

How many orders?

[newcomer]

Henry, a colleague, I already missed our debate, but not now. For questions of interest_ in SMERSH.

[Genry]

Quote: newbie

For questions of interest_ in SMERSH.

Which one do you mean?

[newcomer]

The closest FSB site for you. But I do not advise, I like to debate with you.

[Genry]

Quote: newbie

The closest FSB site for you. But I do not advise, I like to debate with you.

How preoccupied you are ... I guess you used to worry about the terrible KGB.

About the author's (erroneous) view of the necessary enormous necessary power, you have not said anything.

[newcomer]

Henry, do not cross the line of cultural communication. Anyway, get away from the zfira, call my debate colleague.

[Genry]

Quote: newbie

call my debate colleague.

Your problems don't bother me. Do it yourself ...

[newcomer]

Definitely not Henry, but a pity.

[Boratsagdiev]

Supercapacitive capacitors to help and features of "shooting".

[Bacha]

Right! And the men do not even know ...

[Mountain shooter]

The range is already quite "combat". Drones have an Achilles heel receiver. He simply must have a high sensitivity ... And he is the most difficult to protect from exposure.

[newcomer]

Specifically, in this case, probably yes, to suppress drones. We burned equipment to predators. I don’t think that they would fly at a distance of 10 km.

[Boratsagdiev]

Are you ... this can’t be!
Specialists on the site have repeatedly stated this.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Drones have an Achilles heel receiver. He simply must have a high sensitivity ... And he is the most difficult to protect from exposure.

And if the UAV is autonomous, with an AI board, according to the program?
Interestingly, and the optics (OLS) EMP can also "stir up", like a laser?
If not, then the kinetic "slingshot" remains in the form of a physical body at the meeting point ...

[gregor6549]

From the article "However, it is noted that today the main problem of the new electromagnetic weapon is a huge need for electricity, therefore, in the near future, the creation of compact mobile complexes of EMP weapons is hardly possible."

The author is somewhat mistaken. Quite possible. And this possibility was proved theoretically and experimentally back in the late 60s and early 70s. And the possibility consists in obtaining coherent microwave oscillations in a system of independent microwave generators and adding the radiation power of these generators in space. Such technology was then developed by a group of teachers at the Minsk Higher Anti-Aircraft Missile School and was highly appreciated by academician Kobzarev. Unfortunately, the USSR industry was not very interested in ideas from the outside and this technology was not brought to OCD and its subsequent implementation. It is noteworthy that with this technology, each of their microwave generators can be supplied with electricity from quite compact sources.
But in the States, apparently, this technology was "smelled" and tried to introduce in their developments microwave weapons conducted by the Directorate of directed energy weapons https://www.kirtland.af.mil/Units/AFRL-Directed-Energy-Directorate/

[Narak-zempo]

However, it is noted that today the main problem of the new electromagnetic weapon is the huge need for electricity, so in the near future the creation of compact mobile complexes of EMR weapons is hardly possible

I do not believe that ROSATOM cannot create an appropriate mobile power unit.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Narak-zempo

I do not believe that ROSATOM cannot create an appropriate mobile power unit.

Well, why can’t it? - Maybe! For space made. But there is no BZ for uninhabited spacecraft. And for Peresvet, too, he did ... But there is a separate block, heavy.
And for the battlefield you need it quickly and easily. Therefore - capacitor-drives and DG in addition (maybe a turbine as a drive) and from a closed position, it will be the very thing to fly around avionics. Guidance from an autonomous (unrelated to the installation of an EMP) radar air situation.
It seems to me that somehow it should be so.

[Klingon]

This is the thing! now and kamikaze drones and smart rockets so powerful
EW, EMP guns and lasers are just what you need to create advanced air defense! it was up to mini Y. reactors, ITERs, well ... or Dilithium

[thinker]

... the destruction of aircraft at a distance of 10 km took place by "burning the electronic components of their onboard equipment."

Is this EMP gun worse than lightning striking a plane? Something noodle-like ...

The greatest damage that an airplane caught in a thunderstorm can get is minor reflows at the place of the lightning strike.

https://yandex.ru/turbo/s/samoletos.ru/perelety/popadanie-molnii

[Krasnoyarsk]

How much are these EMP guns more economical than classical artillery?
What new will she bring with her appearance on the battlefield?

[Fidel]

I was always puzzled by what is achieved (and how) the direction of the impulse? So that you don’t burn yourself and get where you want)) Well, but the source of energy is yes. Batteries are the most important issue everywhere)

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Fidel

I was always puzzled by what is achieved (and how) the direction of the impulse?

The easiest way - the emitter is placed in the focus of the parabolic antenna. Remember from the school curriculum how a concave mirror works.

[Boratsagdiev]

Are you kidding!
And here they once said to me that I once again rave and threw cons.
What is it that I am a visionary ?!

[immobile2008]

Quote: PN

Well, in the IL-76 it will fit. By the way, for an airplane it will be a good missile defense, it will burn out any electronics of a flying rocket.

If it were true. The brain must be included in such stuffing. If this were so, then this completely changed the alignment. Imagine nothing flying in a radius of 10 km. Yes, the Americans have everything on electronics, the radios would not work, satellites, even ships. Just who is the news for?

[BAI]

This was reported by TASS with reference to two sources in the military-industrial complex

And someone is being planted for a mere trifle, which has the most distant relation to state secrets. All that is associated with weapons on new physical principles - owls. secretly. As always, laws are not for everyone. Someone can do everything, someone - nothing.

[lvov_aleksey]

EMP is always cooler than any laser