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Back to the drawing board: the Australian frigate was too heavy

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Australia confidently embarked on the path of building up the military power of its armed forces. On July 1 of this year, the army renewal program was approved and fleetwithin the framework of which it is planned to spend $ 2030 billion by 187,5 only for technical re-equipment.


Among the already implemented defense programs is the construction of Hunter class frigates, nine of which were ordered for $ 24 billion from the British company BAE Systems. The basis for the ship was Type 26, the lead ship of the project, Glasgow, is now being built for the British Navy. Canada also intends to build a series of 15 Type 26 frigates (for $ 60 billion).

At the same time, problematic issues revealed by the Hunter project were announced. According to the Australian publication Financial Review, “senior naval officers are beginning to raise concerns, although not as serious as in the case of French submarine designers [meaning an order for 12 small submarines such as Shortfin Barracuda Block 1A with an unclear cost of 36,6 billion Doll.]".

We are talking about increasing the displacement of the frigate from 8 to 800 tons, which caused concern about the cost and performance. The defense department confirmed that the Hunter class frigate has become longer and its weight has increased. BAE Systems acknowledged that the ship may need to increase in size, but insist that it will still meet the requirements of the fleet.

As indicated, the reason for the weighting of the frigate was the demand of the Australian side to equip the locally developed CEA Technologies radar ship. Aegis combat system from Lockheed Martin is required to service this radar. The introduction of these amendments ultimately affected the performance characteristics of the ship.

As a result, according to the Financial Review, "the frigate goes back to the drawing board."

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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 5 July 2020 06: 52
    +5
    "The frigate is heading back to the drawing board."

    Fie! Drawing board! The century before last!
    We even drew on kulmans ...
    And what German kulman were ... wonderful!
    1. halpat
      halpat 5 July 2020 07: 09
      +4
      Quote: Victor_B
      "The frigate is heading back to the drawing board."

      Fie! Drawing board! The century before last!
      We even drew on kulmans ...
      And what German kulman were ... wonderful!

      Britain :) good old traditions :))
      how to do without a kulman, a whatman and a raiser :))?
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 5 July 2020 07: 30
        +8
        Quote: Halpat
        Britain :) good old traditions :))

        The Titanic was drowned by a pilot, a boatswain and an iceberg!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 5 July 2020 07: 37
          0
          Quote: Victor_B
          The Titanic was drowned by a pilot, a boatswain and an iceberg!

          Well, nafig, but I thought ...
          Vasil Ivanovich and Petka swim on an ice floe.
          - Vasil Ivanovich, look, the ship!
          - Row Petka, row ...
          - Vasil Ivanovich, look through binoculars, what is the name of the ship?
          - Ti-ta-nick ... Row Petka, row!
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 5 July 2020 09: 45
            +7
            Back to the drawing board: the Australian frigate was too heavy

            Who invents such names for the article?
            From the name you might think that the ship was calculated incorrectly and that it will sink during the descent.
            But in reality, just the Australians want a larger ship.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 5 July 2020 09: 50
              0
              Quote: Shurik70
              From the name you might think that the ship was calculated incorrectly and that it will sink during the descent.

              There are such examples in history.
        2. halpat
          halpat 5 July 2020 07: 54
          0
          Quote: Victor_B
          Quote: Halpat
          Britain :) good old traditions :))

          The Titanic was drowned by a pilot, a boatswain and an iceberg!

          laughing Timely addition
          You can’t trust these six very much :)) Hiley Like ...
    2. gregor6549
      gregor6549 5 July 2020 08: 02
      +6
      The drawing board in this case is a figure of speech. In Australian and not only shipbuilding, all design documentation has long been developed using computer systems and corresponding graphic applications, including using three-dimensional graphics, which allows to obtain volumetric drawings and models of ship compartments with all their fillings (pipes, cables and other entrails). In addition, in parallel with the construction of ships, construction of ground simulation and training centers, which are a combination of computer software and hardware and real ship systems, is underway.
      There is nothing surprising in the design of complex ships such as frigates. The one who does nothing is not mistaken. Well, you need to consider that Western firms rarely keep everyone who is needed for the design and construction of ships as permanent personnel. There is an order for a new vessel - the necessary personnel are being recruited, and not necessarily local ones, and forward. The contract is completed - personnel are being reduced. Only the minimum number of employees remains. Naturally, with this approach to personnel, among them there are also not quite suitable for the work for which they are hired, and, therefore, errors in their work are quite likely. But companies deliberately take the risk associated with the possibility of errors, believing that a quality control system will be able to identify errors, the correction of which will be cheaper, than to constantly maintain an army of workers whose services are needed only with contracts and financing.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 5 July 2020 08: 04
        10
        Quote: gregor6549
        The drawing board in this case is a figure of speech.

        And the men didn’t know! (from)
        1. gregor6549
          gregor6549 5 July 2020 08: 18
          +8
          If they knew, they would not joke in vain. Besides, for some commentators, VO banter is the only way to earn an extra star on "shoulder straps", tk. they usually have nothing to say on the merits of the topics discussed, especially technical ones.
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 5 July 2020 08: 21
            +2
            Quote: gregor6549
            because to say something essentially discussed topics, especially technical, as a rule, they have nothing.

    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 5 July 2020 10: 43
      +4

      "Fi! Drawing board! Last century!"
      -----
      This is a figurative expression. Not literal. Culmans disappeared back in the 90s. There are no printouts on paper for a long time
      1. forpost
        forpost 5 July 2020 12: 52
        -3
        no one knows laughing peeling drives good
  2. Mitroha
    Mitroha 5 July 2020 06: 56
    +6
    So beloved by the Ministry of Defense of the whole world, the lesson - "let's install this on it" in action.
  3. Shiden
    Shiden 5 July 2020 07: 02
    0
    Australians remember history and draw conclusions. History has properties that will repeat itself. During World War II, they relied on Britain and the fortress of Singapore. As a result, the war rolled to the shores of Australia and there was nothing to defend. Now, amid the strengthening of the Chinese fleet and expansion to the Pacific islands, the Australians are preparing to prevent the situation from happening again.
    1. gregor6549
      gregor6549 5 July 2020 08: 12
      +5
      Not only. Australia is very dependent on imports of petroleum products, other raw materials and manufactured goods that are delivered by sea, including via Singapore. And Australia exports a lot of things, and usually also by sea. And in light of the growing threat to these routes from China, Australia pays great attention to the creation of the Navy, which could provide
      an acceptable level of protection for these paths. The blockade of Great Britain by Doenitz submarines during WWII is also remembered here. Well, they don’t forget about the other components of the armed forces: the Air Force, over-the-horizon radars, AWACS and anti-submarine aircraft and helicopters, air defense systems, ASUV, etc.
      1. 5-9
        5-9 5 July 2020 10: 11
        +4
        But the main buyer of natural resources (the basis of Australia's exports) is just China, and the investor too.
        1. gregor6549
          gregor6549 6 July 2020 14: 52
          +1
          Hitler was also the main buyer of many types of raw materials from the USSR. But this did not stop him from attacking this supplier of raw materials when the need arose for an attack. I mean, neither the buyer nor the investor can guarantee anything to anyone.
      2. GTYCBJYTH2021
        GTYCBJYTH2021 5 July 2020 12: 20
        0
        Carcasses of kangaroos were transported from Kamchatka to Australia in 1992 ... chaos and raval began in the country ...
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 5 July 2020 12: 51
          +1
          Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
          Kangaroo carcasses were brought to Kamchatka from Australia in 1992 ...

          Shit. Found the newspaper "Izvestia" for the 91st year, there are such events that mom do not cry.
  4. svp67
    svp67 5 July 2020 07: 32
    +3
    Type 26
    It’s an interesting ship’s project that the British were seriously worried about the re-equipment of their fleet, and moreover they received enough orders from other countries for the construction ...
    1. halpat
      halpat 5 July 2020 08: 07
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      Type 26
      It’s an interesting ship’s project that the British were seriously worried about the re-equipment of their fleet, and moreover they received enough orders from other countries for the construction ...

      I am surprised when they use the term “other countries” when speaking of Britain and Canada. Australia, New Zealand.
      These are the Anglo-Saxon countries, and they are friendly, the formal head of state is the Queen of England with all the consequences, as they say.
      And all together they are friends with the United States, which are an overgrowth in this friendly family.
      In terms of territory, population, economic opportunities, including natural resources, this association surpasses Russia several times (in each of the positions).
      Given their geographical location, and historical component, they control the whole world, with the exception of Eurasia.
      The enemy is very serious.
      1. svp67
        svp67 5 July 2020 08: 13
        +1
        Quote: Halpat
        These are the Anglo-Saxon countries, and they are friendly, the formal head of state is the Queen of England with all the consequences, as they say.

        Here the key word is "FORMAL" and the Queen has not played a leading role in these countries for a long time, so is the nominal leader and nothing more, which proves the purchase of the same submarines from France, then how the Anglo-Saxon world ordered?
        1. halpat
          halpat 5 July 2020 08: 35
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Halpat
          These are the Anglo-Saxon countries, and they are friendly, the formal head of state is the Queen of England with all the consequences, as they say.

          Here the key word is "FORMAL" and the Queen has not played a leading role in these countries for a long time, so is the nominal leader and nothing more, which proves the purchase of the same submarines from France, then how the Anglo-Saxon world ordered?

          formally / informally there is no difference. They are so comfortable. Manageability is better. In places it is more visible that yes how it is necessary to do.
          But if necessary, they act together.
          Intelligence - "five eyes", a coalition to create - you are always welcome (what an independent Australia is to Syria, for example), and any provocation in the style of high-likly is always always in the forefront of support.
          Conveniently.
          And look at the Slavs. Full confusion and reeling, as they say.
          Even Lukashenko even looks into the forest, although they feed him to the dump, he strives to give a bite to his hand, or to spit in the well ...
          1. svp67
            svp67 5 July 2020 08: 55
            0
            Quote: Halpat
            let alone any provocation in the style of “highly like” to support always always in the forefront.

            Well, the merit of the United States is more than the Queen of Britain
            1. convoy
              convoy 5 July 2020 09: 00
              -3
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: Halpat
              let alone any provocation in the style of “highly like” to support always always in the forefront.

              Well, the merit of the United States is more than the Queen of Britain

              This is the merit of some "tovaischey" who hope to sit out in Australia in the event of a global world conflict .... There is an optimal option, they think ..
              But Russia does not think so .. Especially warrant officers, at the points ..)))
              1. svp67
                svp67 5 July 2020 09: 01
                +1
                Quote: Konvoi
                This is the merit of some "tovaischey" who hope to sit out in Australia in the event of a global world conflict .... There is an optimal option, they think ..
                But Russia does not think so .. Especially warrant officers, at the points ..)))

                The Australian "comrades" are not so much afraid of Russia as they are more afraid of China, knowing full well that the latter will definitely not let them "sit out".
      2. forpost
        forpost 5 July 2020 12: 54
        -1
        But if you compare with the BRICS?
  5. Avior
    Avior 5 July 2020 07: 36
    +5
    Representatives of the local manufacturer of the radar pressed all the levers in order to earn money.
    This is an old song - the fleet needs the best version of the ship, and the industrialists can earn on it.
  6. Shiden
    Shiden 5 July 2020 07: 44
    +3
    If you put a minus then at least justify. Indeed, the article says not only about the frigate, but also about the fact that the budget for military spending has increased.
  7. Doccor18
    Doccor18 5 July 2020 08: 18
    +5
    the construction of Hunter class frigates, nine of which were ordered for $ 24 billion from the British company BAE Systems. 

    Canada also intends to build a series of 15 Type 26 frigates (for $ 60 billion).

    SUCH means go to the defense in countries that have no decent geopolitical opponents.
    Whom are Australia and Canada stepping up against? Really against the "monstrous" Chinese fleet?
    Not at all.
    Just the owners of world military-industrial corporations always want to eat black caviar in their own castles, on their own islands ....
    1. CommanderDIVA
      CommanderDIVA 5 July 2020 11: 14
      +1
      Protection of commercial maritime and other communications in the event of an aggravation of the military-political situation
  8. smart fellow
    smart fellow 5 July 2020 08: 20
    +2
    These frigates are larger than many displacement destroyers. Yes, and at a cost.
  9. convoy
    convoy 5 July 2020 08: 25
    -8
    And who is Australia going to defend itself ..? Or rather whom to protect?
    Where did the gentlemen come from on this island, far from world centers ..
    Have you built bunkers? Oh well..
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 5 July 2020 09: 52
      +3
      Quote: Konvoi
      And who is Australia going to defend itself ..?

      From rabbits ...
      1. convoy
        convoy 5 July 2020 12: 45
        -2
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Konvoi
        And who is Australia going to defend itself ..?

        From rabbits ...

        And a kangaroo with penguins))))
    2. Doccor18
      Doccor18 5 July 2020 12: 38
      +4
      Where does the gentlemen have money on this island ..

      This "island" is called the mainland ... an area of ​​7,7 million square meters. km. and has so many natural resources that many large countries can only envy ..
  10. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 5 July 2020 09: 34
    +2
    If it grows in size, then it will grow in price. 10 tons of displacement is already a cruiser.
  11. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 5 July 2020 09: 46
    +2
    Ours is also weird, the long-suffering icebreaker Chernomyrdin was overloaded by thousands of tons. Then it took a long time to fix it. But what about the electric motor of the new Arctic, was restored after mooring trials? I understand that only those who don’t do anything are mistaken. But I wanted our shipbuilders to be smaller were mistaken!
    1. D16
      D16 5 July 2020 22: 25
      +1
      And what about the electric motor of the new Arctic, restored after mooring tests?

      In a year they will change at the dock of the Kronstadt Marine Plant. In the meantime, it will go into trial operation as the LK-50 laughing
      https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4308068#:~:text=Как%20стало%20известно%20“Ъ”%2C,не%20позже%20мая%202020%20года.
  12. 5-9
    5-9 5 July 2020 10: 08
    +1
    Nice price and the size of the "frigate". And why should you stick your radar curve and someone else's BIUS into a ready-made ship?
    In general, the ore-mining country got into a mess with militarization.
  13. bk0010
    bk0010 5 July 2020 10: 24
    +3
    Mdaaa ... Washington agreements: "Heavy cruisers - up to 10000 tons, no more!" Australia: "10000 tons - frigate (slightly overeating)"
  14. Kunich80
    Kunich80 5 July 2020 11: 15
    +2
    Article title of course atas
    The increase in the size of the ship made under the pretext of new equipment will allow it to further carry out a deeper modernization and, as a result, be longer in service. I am sure that for sure the installation of new equipment is something that the military, by agreement with the contractor, was leaked to the surface.
    Here many wrote that Australia like China would compete ... Well, well. Globe in hand - next to decently militarized, densely populated and not calm Indonesia with which conflicts are many times more likely. And yes, Australia has been growing steadily in the economy for many years in a row, which allows us to make us think about strengthening our defense capabilities.
  15. Alien ...
    Alien ... 5 July 2020 22: 32
    -1
    What kind of indignation and oohs with ahs? What did you expect from the furniture makers and rescuers of the kittens? Do you have a little temple? Ungrateful ...
  16. mvg
    mvg 6 July 2020 23: 49
    +2
    Enviously. Baye Systems, world's best frigate, Aegis. Only at the cost of the Burke destroyer in the latest configuration. A worthy replacement for Oliver Perry.