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Will the S-400 retain the status of an advanced missile defense instrument? Events in the sky of Syria mixed maps for military observers

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As shown by superficial monitoring news and military analytical sites of the Russian segment of the Internet over the past several months, information about the upcoming launch into large-scale production and the beginning of deliveries to combat units of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Russian Aerospace Forces of the multi-channel medium / long-range anti-aircraft missile systems S-350 "Vityaz" there are lively discussions in the observing circles regarding the feasibility of further serial production of the S-400 Triumph long-range air defense systems, as well as the level of competitiveness of these complexes in the world arms market.


So, guided by information about the alleged "complete inaction" of the S-300PM2 anti-aircraft missile regiment of the Syrian air defense forces deployed on the northern approaches to the Syrian Masyaf, as well as the S-400 "Triumph" air defense missile defense system covering the Khmeimim air base during numerous massed missileaviation strikes by tactical aircraft of the Israeli Air Force on the strategically important military infrastructure of the Syrian army and the elite division of the IRGC Al-Quds, the authors and audience of the military-analytical portal militaryparitet.com ("Military Parity") in a brief review entitled "S-400 and S- 350. Let's go apart ”came to the erroneous opinion that the key reason for the extremely low anti-missile potential demonstrated by the 48 and 6 in the Syrian theater of operations was the presence in their ammunition only of outdated anti-aircraft guided missiles of the 2NXNUMXEXNUMX / DM family, equipped with semi-active radar seeker and unable to intercept air attack weapons, operating in the mode of following the terrain and hiding behind the "screen" of the radio horizon.

As a result, the effectiveness of the S-400 air defense systems in modern theaters of war, replete with promising low-visibility and low-altitude high-precision weapons a potential adversary was called into question, as well as the continued maintenance of the Triumph’s high export potential in the global arms market, while the promising S-350 anti-aircraft missile system was given the status of the only highly effective anti-ballistic missile system in the Russian Armed Forces.

Does this opinion correspond to the real situation?

The ignorance of military observers about the technological features of the S-400 and S-350 Vityaz air defense system element base, as well as about the flight-technical parameters of the 48N6E / DM and 9M96E2 missiles, continued a series of speculations regarding the future of the “Fourteenths” on the world arms market


First of all, it should be noted that not one of the observers-commentators of the “Military Parity” bothered to take into account the fact that on October 9, 2015 (just a month and a half before the deployment of the S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile regiment near Aviation Aviation Agency “Khmeimim”, triggered by a tragic incident with a pre-planned covert interception of the Russian Su-24M front-line bomber by the Russian Air Force AIM-9X, launched by a Turkish multi-role fighter F-16C) between senior representatives of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces and the Israel Defense Forces, was reached agreement on coordination between tactical aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces and Hel Haavir to avoid incidents during operations in the airspace of the Syrian Arab Republic. Moreover, a few months later, the above agreement was supplemented by an unofficial unofficial clause on the exclusion of the possibility of using S-400 air defense systems of the Russian Air Force both against tactical aviation of the Israeli Air Force and against tactical missile weapons of the IDF used against the strategically important infrastructure of the Syrian army and the elite unit of the IRGC “ Al-Quds ”throughout the Syrian Arab Republic.

Similar guarantees were received by Tel Aviv from Moscow and regarding the S-300PM2 anti-aircraft missile battalions Syrian anti-aircraft missile regiments near Macyaf who entered the combat duty in the Syrian air defense missile regiment, to implement combat modes of operation of which (from tying tracks / escorting to the passage to capture on exact auto-tracking and launching of SAM 48N6E2 missiles for enemy air targets) to this day, Syrian combat crews can only after coordination with the commands of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Russian air forces and the grouping of Russian troops in Syria. An eloquent argument in favor of the above thesis is the repeated unhindered use by Israeli F-16I Sufa multi-functional fighters of Rampage heavy aviation guided missiles and Rocks aeroballistic missiles in the SAA and Al-Quds fortified areas in the provinces of Homs and Damascus.

As is known, during these raids, despite the use of Rampage rockets and Rocks rockets, a flat and / or ballistic flight path (characterized by mid-altitude and high-altitude flight profiles included in the angular viewing sector of the 30H6E2 illumination radars of S-300PM2 systems), and also on their impressive effective reflective surface of the order of 0,1-0,15 square meters. m, the Syrian "three hundred" in these facilities were not used, which also says a lot. Indeed, for example, during the fire tests that took place at the Kapustin Yar missile range, as well as numerous exercises of the Russian Air Force, even the earlier S-300PM1 / 2 SAMs (not to mention advanced S-400s) repeatedly demonstrated their ability detection, stable tracking on the aisle and the final “capture for accurate auto tracking” with further interception of 96M6M Kaban ballistic target missiles, which have noticeably higher flight performance parameters than Rampage and Rocks (speed on the marching section trajectories of the order of 4,4 M and the height of the ballistic trajectory at the peak of about 50 km).

Conclusion: in light of the agreement reached between the General Staffs of the Russian Federation and the IDF on coordination of actions in the SAR airspace, the “silence” of the Syrian S-300PM2 and the S-400 VKS of Russia deployed near the Khmeimim Aviation Base cannot be considered as an objective criterion for evaluating the effectiveness of these systems in battle environment.

Secondly, taking into account the presence of 54K6E2 / 55K6 combat control centers (S-300PM2 / 400 complexes) and 30 / 92N6E illumination radars of the element base necessary for software and hardware integration of 9M96E / E2 / DM anti-aircraft missiles in the open radio-electronic architecture, it is quite expected that the ammunition of the “three hundred” and “four hundred” combat ammunition will be updated with these missile interceptors. This conclusion is also indirectly confirmed by a well-known photo taken by the photo correspondent of the Krasnaya Zvezda news publication during a visit by officers of the Serbian air defense forces to the exhibition exposition of the Ashuluk training ground as part of the Slavic Shield 2019 air defense / missile defense exercises. The photo depicted a prototype of the improved 5P85S launcher, equipped with both a standard transport and launch container with a heavy 48N6E / E2 SAM, and a quad pack, presented by compact TPKs with 9M9E / E2 anti-aircraft missiles equipped with active Slate radar radar and the method intercept over-the-air targets for target designation from third-party radar reconnaissance equipment.

Thirdly, it is still very early to discuss the feasibility of completely replacing the S-400 with the Vityaz S-350, since the 9M96E2 interceptor missiles included in the Vityaz ammunition despite the presence of "gas dynamic belts" of transverse control engines for intercepting highly maneuverable ballistic objects in oncoming courses, they have a maximum flight speed of the order of 4,5 M, which does not allow them to intercept high-speed supersonic and hypersonic targets on catch-up courses (after), while 6,6-7-fly missiles 48N6E2 / DM of S-300PM2 / complexes 400 can brag of this opportunity.

Therefore, in modern theaters of war, teeming with advanced highly maneuverable elements of high-precision weapons, the most effective concept for using the S-400 Triumph and S-350 Vityaz anti-aircraft missile systems will be their integration into a single network-centric air defense-missile defense system (using automated control systems "Polyana-D4M1" and "Baikal-1ME"), presented by mixed anti-aircraft missile brigades.

In these air-defense air defense systems, the Vityaz S-350 systems will compensate for the low potential of the “four hundred” in operations to intercept ultra-maneuverable ballistic targets, as well as work on enemy aerospace objects in a more difficult jamming environment by equipping 50N6A multi-function radars on based on active headlamps (92H6E backlight radars of the S-400 complexes are represented by less noise-protected passive headlamps, the transmitting and receiving modules of which do not have individual microwave transistors and attenuators for leveling the "interference rays" from enemy electronic warfare systems). At the same time, the Triumphs compensate for the Vityaz’s inability to destroy the outgoing high-speed anti-radar, anti-ship and aeroballistic missiles in the rear hemisphere.
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  1. alma
    alma 7 July 2020 05: 25 New
    28
    There are few technical characteristics for the use of air defense. We need more political will.
    1. Asad
      Asad 7 July 2020 06: 27 New
      25
      Well, in Israel, Israeli ,, friends ,, and American ,, partners ,, fly, whom to shoot down?
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 7 July 2020 08: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: ASAD
        Well, in Israel, Israeli ,, friends ,, and American ,, partners ,, fly, whom to shoot down?

        Duc, as the saying goes, folk wisdom ,,? "Bullshit war! The main thing is maneuvers!" .... And what about the Syrian anti-aircraft gunners? And what did the Old Soldier say in the cartoon "Mezha"? "How long does it take to sport a little boy ..."! It is evident that the escho for a serious mess ... let them train for the time being ... on ,, cats ,,,!
        1. Asad
          Asad 7 July 2020 11: 56 New
          +3
          And cats, who will be?
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 7 July 2020 14: 18 New
            0
            Quote: ASAD
            And cats, who will be?

            Eka, my friend, how curious you are! But what about the "surprise" .... "the secrets of the investigation" ...? Well .... the Syrians shoot at "something" .... they even shoot down "some" Israeli rockets .... here you have the "cats"!
      2. vavilon
        vavilon 7 July 2020 12: 04 New
        +1
        All partners must be landed, without them it will become easier to breathe
    2. Civil
      Civil 7 July 2020 08: 06 New
      19
      Israeli "partners" bomb Iranian "friends" in the territory of "ally" Assad ... and Assad too ... is this normal?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 7 July 2020 08: 18 New
        +5
        Let us return to the stated GOAL of our leadership, which determined the appearance of the Russian military there - Preservation of the Syrian state, assistance to the legitimate government of Syria .....
        So sho NOT SO, so sho NOT DONE?
        1. anykin
          anykin 8 July 2020 00: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          assistance to the legitimate government of Syria

          In the fight against igil or in everything?
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 8 July 2020 06: 23 New
            +2
            And I have the same question. The state is a little more than the presidential palace. It is for the normal life of the people living in it. This is not observed in Syria. Assad saved, then a dead end.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 8 July 2020 07: 54 New
              +2
              And in Afghanistan, Iraq, after other "experiments" of others, is something better obtained? Tell WHERE ???
              When the big ones get into the affairs of the little ones, nothing really good remains.
          2. rocket757
            rocket757 8 July 2020 07: 49 New
            +2
            The Yankees "helped" to overthrow the "tyrant" in Iraq, the geyropeyts helped to overthrow the "tyrant" in Libya, well, sho, there was dermocracy and prosperity ???
            When the big ones interfere in the local showdowns, they tailor according to their ... interests, basically, it's useless to talk about something else! Other examples can also be cited ...
            So what did you want to ask about?
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 9 July 2020 17: 51 New
              0
              So there is no need to talk about the implementation of the declared. The state of Syria does not exist.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 9 July 2020 17: 57 New
                +2
                I understand that in the same UN they will not agree with you.
                1. Vestovoi
                  Vestovoi 9 July 2020 18: 10 New
                  -2
                  Quote: rocket757
                  The Yankees "helped" to overthrow the "tyrant" in Iraq, the geyropeyts helped to overthrow the "tyrant" in Libya, well, sho, there was dermocracy and prosperity ???

                  Blood flows in a stream while they are robbed ..
                  And with the USSR they did almost such a thing ..
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 9 July 2020 19: 46 New
                    0
                    Quote: Vestovoi
                    And with the USSR they did almost such a thing ..

                    Here we deceived ourselves, did not preserve what our ancestors created ... not without outside help, of course, but all this is our common mistake.
                2. Essex62
                  Essex62 9 July 2020 20: 02 New
                  +5
                  I expressed my position on the basis of understanding what a state is. The ideal was the USSR. We were taught and educated like that. The UN has long been an empty place. Masons bend down whoever they want and when they want. Some who consider themselves great do not avoid this. An example is a capitulary white rag at the Olympics. The curtain.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 9 July 2020 20: 15 New
                    0
                    Quote: Essex62
                    We were taught and educated like that.

                    They taught not to lose their sanity, to take into account the surrounding situation.
                    We were prepared for different things, see.
                    An example is a capitulary white rag at the Olympics. The curtain.

                    Also, I do not look this disgrace, but this is my personal decision.
                    1. Essex62
                      Essex62 9 July 2020 20: 28 New
                      +2
                      Your sanity, comrade led to the loss of the homeland. Only you read now - we were deceived, they gave a blunder, they didn’t guess. And everything is just like a nail, a generation of true believers has gone and life bent under this faith. Pofigizm and selfishness, here is a picture from the 80s. Socialism is a continuous struggle. The selfishness is only to be uprooted, tirelessly and everywhere, instead of "stormy prolonged applause" and the boring bubbling of the political leaders. About nothing.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 9 July 2020 23: 15 New
                        0
                        After the fight they don’t wave their fists ....
                        It’s stupid to blame now .... those who were taught, educated only to believe and go ... with the ranks / ranks behind the "great upper leaders" who led them where they should and how they should .... they were taught that way. And the cries of those who knew how to think themselves and didn’t like to go in such a system, that we were going in the wrong direction !!! nobody listened. There were few of them, orderly rows did not shout out. So he got ... bald / marked his .... line / ranks, very wrong way .... others, by the way, there, at the same time.
                        And now the joke itself !!! Those who are at the same time skidded, those who are not in the ranks are not blamed for everything! because everyone also continues to THINK, for themselves and for that guy .... therefore, again, they are not in service and the current top / leaders are not kindly treated.
                      2. Essex62
                        Essex62 10 July 2020 08: 56 New
                        +1
                        There is no way. Not any rows
                        Everything has decomposed into separate egoistic elements. Visibility of cohesion of society, a set of slogans, peppy songs, like “Lenin is so young ...” but in fact, you want to live spinning. Carpets in rolls, crystal tons, OBKhSniki and Krushniki warning thieves about checking. The society was psychologically ready for the bourgeois blossom . And at the last stage, the agent of the freemasons, hunchbacked, cleaned up the last bearers of the idea. It’s not the matter at the top, these were in the mind, they didn’t deviate from the idea. The point here is the absence, in developed socialism, of a real class struggle, because it is a classless society. Formally, where did allotment from the people with backbone psychology come from after the coup?
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 10 July 2020 09: 27 New
                        +1
                        The Soviet government was really PEOPLE, THE AUTHORITY OF WORKERS, when leaders were nominated and controlled by labor collectives, a united group of the same workers !!!
                        Recall the film "Baltic Deputy" !!!
                        But, the time has come and the leading party nomenclature, this principle has successfully buried !!! So the period has come when everything has rolled to the point that we had by the end of the USSR.
                        For some period, the system worked, due to the tight control of the SERIOUS HEAD, but it was not replaced by geniuses who, by inertia, continued to broadcast the correct slogans, but in fact the collapse began precisely from the top.
                        And no ideology could preserve unity in society, when people really saw how they behave top, their loved ones and attendants.
                        WE LOST ALL, people of labor, a lot. It makes no sense, now it’s even harmful for us to swear, blame each other, it is necessary to UNITE all who are for our country, for our people and correct, change, everything that the last destroyers have done.
                        There can be only one ideology, we must make our country strong, prosperous, and a worthy, happy life for all people!
                        The idea is fixed, but as a basic definition for our struggle, you can accept.
                      4. Essex62
                        Essex62 13 July 2020 08: 07 New
                        +2
                        Here the guarantor also fastens, unites tirelessly. With whom, with the Rothenbergs, Prokhorovs, Potanins. Or with bandits, on blood and racket, who made their fortunes. Within the framework of the existing system, the task voiced by you is not feasible, in principle. There can be no halftones, only two colors - red and white. As for the "fat" party workers, sorry did not notice. The secretary of the district committee of Komsomol, our region had occasion to be at home. A little more than the area and not any special excesses. The most ordinary toilet was, well, perhaps an imported one. The son of the secretary of the party’s district committee drove the ball with us at the school stadium and in the legs, and even raked in turnips, during the boy’s showdown, more than once. And none of us bother with this fact. Normal were the communists. Gorbachev’s degenerates subsequently ate them. Those who have become aligarchs.
                      5. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 July 2020 09: 39 New
                        +1
                        I appeal to the proletariat and others who are ready to join us.
                        Those who are upstairs now, the capitalists and their servants ... will have to talk to them, but very specifically. They have appropriated a lot, but we are many more and having united we can defend our rights .... this is our country and everything in it should work for the benefit of all, not a handful of the elect.
                        On the issue of the late Soviet party nomenclature .... the state was then so arranged that it was impossible to flaunt its privileges !!! Even the topmost had, had a lot, but behind a very high fence they all hid it.
                        It so happened, I was on the other side of these high fences a couple of times .... They had, not a little, BUT, in comparison with the current oh ... figurines, it’s not even necessary to compare.
                      6. Essex62
                        Essex62 13 July 2020 19: 01 New
                        +1
                        The Politburo was sitting on a serious state security. Only a handful of them were; everyone else was on a hard-earned salary. Not very fatty. I have a dad, on a business trip abruptly earned Raikomovsky. What could you see behind the fences, what is the private property of the apparatchiks? All these summer residences and sanatoriums were state. No way they could profit from the word at all. Otherwise, a party card on the table and you can shoot. Well, they did manage heart attacks. And I estimated the length of the working day for the secretary of the district committee by the way my brother-in-law went away before dawn and came to turn the steering wheel of the district committee of the Volga. The system did not allow enrichment. They hid who stole, stunted and shook. They will take it to the wall. This of course only applies to Russia. In the republics, everything had decayed earlier and launched metastases for us.
                      7. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 July 2020 20: 24 New
                        0
                        Do not have illusions! There was a "golden youth" that ignited, burned through, there were accumulations among some ... not the first, second, third, who no longer needed anything (they just always had it when they needed it), but in the fifties, hundredths, two hundred and even thousandths in a row of desks of the nomenclature was, because they wanted to have and could!
                        About those that are very far away in that series of their availability, the estate was all very different.
                        Everything is known in comparison ..... I was "lucky" to see compare.
                      8. Essex62
                        Essex62 14 July 2020 07: 57 New
                        0
                        And I was lucky - in the turnip of this golden youth, about whether there was a goal or not. They lived among us, fences and snouts with rattles and trellises were not fenced off like the current ones. In the district committee at the entrance, only one cop was sitting, even without weapons. If desired, it was possible, not agreeing with the party’s policies, to block and criticize the obstacle, in the form of a secretary, with assault.
                      9. rocket757
                        rocket757 14 July 2020 10: 23 New
                        0
                        All this is in the past, which we .... will remember, while there is someone to remember.
                        We must move forward.
                      10. Essex62
                        Essex62 14 July 2020 13: 18 New
                        0
                        A little wall in front, comrade. Dead end. A society of social justice is not being built with a social abyss and class inequality. The dictatorship of the man of labor is the only way to a more just society, a ban on personal enrichment. If this is not done, the contradictions will only get worse.
                      11. rocket757
                        rocket757 14 July 2020 15: 19 New
                        0
                        There are no walls that cannot be overcome with the help of fellow friends when everything is together.
                        You need to get together and learn, all together, to overcome any obstacles in your path.
  • Alexey G
    Alexey G 12 July 2020 01: 01 New
    +1
    Yes, unfortunately, this is normal so far. Recently I read an article on VO and there, in comments, one interesting comrade wrote that all the electronics we have are imported, because their own does not pull out the tasks that need to be performed. Prots like we have Xilinx or something, the boards are also Chinese. And so you know convincingly wrote that they say he himself is a specialist in iron and manns aircraft with them. In general, if something is wrong, then they will impose sanctions on electronics and then ek! It even became sad ...
  • avg
    avg 7 July 2020 10: 50 New
    +5
    Quote: alma
    There are few technical characteristics for the use of air defense. We need more political will.

    Anyway, what’s the point, if they simply don’t shoot. And if we talk about drones, the Golden Eagles do not catch sparrows, for this there are smaller predators.
    A little about the headlines (pent). VO should not be compared to MK, luring visitors with catchy headlines off-topic.
    Will the S-400 retain the status of an advanced missile defense instrument
    recourse
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 7 July 2020 12: 43 New
    +1
    Political will and plus advanced survey systems and aviation.
  • Bar1
    Bar1 7 July 2020 17: 26 New
    +2
    would Putin, somehow decide whether he is Arabs or Jews? And doing extreme air defense in this situation is mean.
  • Fan
    Fan 7 July 2020 17: 46 New
    +3
    Quote: alma
    There are few technical characteristics for the use of air defense. We need more political will.

    Directly removed from the language .. Thanks Alex hi And then they will begin here tyagomutin ..
  • iouris
    iouris 7 July 2020 22: 35 New
    0
    Quote: alma
    We need more political will.

    "Will of the will - as long as you can ..." (Song of the long-distance runner)
  • PPD
    PPD 7 July 2020 22: 59 New
    +1
    That's right!
    Even more, nothing inflicts such damage on the reputation of weapons in particular and in general, as the absence of this very will! request
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 7 July 2020 05: 30 New
    +6
    The need for separation of air defense has been proven by time. Air defense systems are created different in order to compensate for each other's shortcomings and at the same time receive 100% efficiency.
  • Flinkfan
    Flinkfan 7 July 2020 05: 44 New
    -3
    Isaac Izrailevich Smirnover knows EVERYTHING!
    https://pravdoryb.info/na-voennom-obozrenii-raskryt-zagovor.html
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 7 July 2020 06: 12 New
    -9
    "Destruction of outgoing missiles"
    Author, do your missiles fly in the opposite direction, or what? That is, first the adversary launched the missile, and then it flew in the opposite direction?
  • Avior
    Avior 7 July 2020 06: 43 New
    +7
    It is not clear at all whom to bring down?
    Airplanes in that region are only with friends-partners.
    What was the point of putting one S-400 if there was nobody to shoot down anyway?
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 7 July 2020 08: 21 New
      +1
      These are the "fellow travelers" there who have to hint-remind that ours have a "long arm" that WILL REACH, if sho. This is a BV, there is no baton in the hands, it is NOT possible to talk to someone!
      1. Avior
        Avior 7 July 2020 08: 25 New
        +5
        and something - got someone?
        There is aviation for this purpose, there are calibers.
        Air defense - a specific weapon
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 7 July 2020 08: 35 New
          0
          And who WAS to get it? Who attacked OUR MILITARY by air means of attack, on which it was worth spending the "big rocket"?
          1. Avior
            Avior 7 July 2020 08: 46 New
            +4
            Well, I ask, why did they put it, if there is nobody to get it?
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 7 July 2020 09: 09 New
              -1
              Put on every fireman, this is understandable. Here are some people who made a fool of noise that right now, for all of us right away ... it was stupid.
              By the way, we could not because it could have been received in response.
        2. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 7 July 2020 08: 51 New
          +4
          The very ability to shoot down the same AWACS significantly cools hotheads.
          Not for nothing that the “partners” are screaming about Russian access restriction zones.
          Air defense is not only a specific weapon, but it also involves separation and integration.
          Until there was a knight there was a gap, the Torah and the Shell of C1 could not close it with Khmeimim.
          The expansion of the borders of the ZP at the Shell C2 and the installation of Vityaz dramatically increased the possibilities.
          It’s clear that not a single air defense will give 100% protection. But, it can guarantee unacceptable losses.
          Because - more missiles, good and different!
          1. Avior
            Avior 7 July 2020 08: 54 New
            +4
            What kind of avax are you going to shoot down?
            which aircraft attacked Khmeimim, except for drones with an ali-express?
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 7 July 2020 08: 48 New
      0
      The S-300V and S-400 in Hmeimim completely solve the task by covering our base and air base and relieving us of the temptation to launch a massive missile strike with Tomogavkami from an unidentified Ohio-class submarine and close the question with our presence. Next, are we at war with Israel? Someone is ready to boast that he saw how Putin signed under the return of the Gollan of Syria? Or was there probably all the same to assist ASADU in winning the civil war?
      So what did Russia not do? If Assad wants to push Israel into the sea, for God's sake - the flag in his hands. Only at first, he, as a minimum, must end the civil war. To rebuild and develop industry to grow several generations of soldiers capable of not only firing aimlessly from Kalashnikov, making money, there is not a lot of money, not so much money and buying everything he needs for such a war. What is nonsense for the next 50 years.
      1. Avior
        Avior 7 July 2020 08: 57 New
        +5
        s-400 set to protect against the Tomahawks?
        Tomahawks shot at Hmeimim?
        you didn’t confuse anything?
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 7 July 2020 08: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: Avior
          Tomahawks shot at Hmeimim?
          you didn’t confuse anything?


          And where did I say about IT?
          1. Avior
            Avior 7 July 2020 09: 02 New
            +2
            then explain your assumption.
            and at the same time, where did you get the idea that the s-40 is designed to protect against the Tomahawks.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 7 July 2020 09: 07 New
              -1
              Did not read but condemn? I literally said the following -
              S-300V and S-400 in Khmeimim completely solve the task, covering our base and air base and relieving the temptation to sow a massive missile strike by Tomogawks from an unidentified Ohio-class submarine and close the question with our presence.


              The only thing is because of the dicky keyboard instead of s. ... it turned out that the "s". BUT nevertheless, the meaning of the phrase is more than clear and so.
              Next, who told you that the S-400 cannot work on the Tomogavkas? That is, if we do not see the carrier, then we sleep further?
              1. Avior
                Avior 7 July 2020 09: 25 New
                +2
                you, as a carrier, called a submarine like.
                the s-400 is definitely not working on it.
                Yes, and on the Tomahawks, completely different air defense systems are working.
                And can you confirm with what that the Tomahawks strike on the Russian base is a real threat?
                someone threatened, were there any attempts?
                if not, then why pull the tomahawks here.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 7 July 2020 09: 28 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Avior
                  And can you confirm with what that the Tomahawks strike on the Russian base is a real threat?


                  Can you prove the opposite? They would only prepare for drones, would bring a couple of Torahs and God be with him.

                  The S-400 statement is not for Tomogavkov, I won’t even comment.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 7 July 2020 09: 29 New
                    +2
                    you made a statement, and prove to you ...
                    1. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 7 July 2020 09: 39 New
                      +1
                      Why prove the axiom? S-400 in the Kyrgyz Republic is working successfully, a matter of price. For the first time, a target imitating Harpoon at a height of 5-7 meters was shot down by Fort S-300F in 1984 Kirov. It hasn't gotten worse since then.
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 7 July 2020 09: 49 New
                        +2
                        and what of the fact that long-range air defense systems are capable, in principle, of working with cruise missiles? this is not their purpose.
                        But shipbuilders have no wide choice, they shoot with what they have.
                        why exactly the c400?
                        and where did you get the idea that there was a threat of shelling, and it was Khmeimim, and not Tartus, for example?
                2. The popuas
                  The popuas 7 July 2020 09: 48 New
                  +1
                  Because of the s400i they are not threatened, if this complex were not there, unidentified aviation could have bombed the base, the Turks did not hesitate to bring down the plane hi
            2. rocket757
              rocket757 7 July 2020 09: 19 New
              +1
              An empty argument .... BECAUSE AND DO NOT FLY, it is impossible.
              Quote: Avior
              that s-40 is designed to protect against the Tomahawks.

              By the way, the system is universal, within TTX. It can extinguish cruise missiles. The question of expediency, nothing more.
              1. Avior
                Avior 7 July 2020 09: 29 New
                +2
                and in Lamborghini you can bring bricks to the country in principle.
                but explaining the purchase with such a goal is ridiculous
                1. Igor Aviator
                  Igor Aviator 7 July 2020 22: 19 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Avior
                  and in Lamborghini you can bring bricks to the country in principle.
                  but explaining the purchase with such a goal is ridiculous

                  Judging by the rhetoric, you are very few years old, and you did not serve in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Otherwise, you would clearly know the axiom that the appropriateness of using a means of protection against an enemy’s means of destruction is determined not so much by the ratio of the cost of the enemy means of defense and means of protection against it, but by the size of the potential harm (damage) that this means may cause in case of failure to take action.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 7 July 2020 23: 48 New
                    0
                    I served in the USSR Armed Forces.
                    Judging by your post, you either poorly understand the essence of the discussion or the meaning of the statement that you made.
                    hi
                2. anykin
                  anykin 8 July 2020 00: 17 New
                  0
                  Bricks are funny, KP is not funny. Plus running in combat conditions.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 8 July 2020 04: 16 New
                    0
                    While there is no evidence of the above statement that the -400 set to repel the attacks of the Tomahawks
                    1 that there was a real threat of attack by the Tomahawks
                    2 S-400 is designed to repel such an attack
                    This is all empty talk.
                    While it’s clear 1 that the s-400 is capable of shooting down cr, it doesn’t mean that it is designed for this, other means
                    2 no data on the threat of attack by Tomahawks
        2. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 7 July 2020 09: 19 New
          +3
          s-400 set to protect against the Tomahawks?
          Tomahawks shot at Hmeimim?
          you didn’t confuse anything?


          So, therefore, they didn’t shoot at Khmeimim Tomogavki, because they put the S-400.
          There would be no crowbar, “sworn friends” would certainly have spread out, and did not go to the grandmother.
        3. Igor Aviator
          Igor Aviator 7 July 2020 22: 05 New
          -1
          The S-400 was installed to protect the base from possible air strikes, in other words, from potential danger, and, due to the very high potential of the complex, there is no focus on the possible method of delivering such a strike (or means). In view of the fact that the ability of the complex to defend the object is checked by the KABAN target simulator (missile), it can be confidently stated that the equivalent means of striking ability (ability to overcome the defense line of the S-400 complex) will appear in a probable enemy only after several decades since the adoption of the complex into service.
      2. Charik
        Charik 7 July 2020 21: 49 New
        0
        do not write nonsense, an unidentified nut with axes
  • Al Asad
    Al Asad 7 July 2020 07: 30 New
    +5
    Now let's imagine Iranian aviation bombing the Afghan army several times a year for some reason during the presence of US troops and the coalition there, and this all happens during the active phase of the fight against the Taliban.
    And the Americans are so-and-so, we have agreements with the Iranians.
    fellow
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 7 July 2020 07: 54 New
      +2
      With a check this would be quite possible)).
  • rocket757
    rocket757 7 July 2020 08: 12 New
    -3
    discussions regarding the feasibility of further mass production of the S-400 Triumph long-range air defense systems, as well as the level of competitiveness of these systems in the global arms market.

    And what's wrong there ???
    Each product has its own time and place!
    A year will pass, another and NEW SYSTEMS will appear, even better, even more killer !!! and what's wrong, what's new ... it always has been.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 7 July 2020 08: 17 New
    +1
    Okay ... convinced the author that 48N6x has advantages that should not be scattered! But, they can be modernized, for example, by equipping them with active RGSN. What has been done was in the Zur 9M82 / 83 family. !
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 7 July 2020 23: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      The author convinced that 48N6x has advantages that should not be scattered!

      Do you think this is so important - to convince YOU? However ... Well, you have self-conceit ... no
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 8 July 2020 00: 39 New
        +2
        Judging by your meaningless words, you have a fever! Eat better aspirin and calm down! And please ... don’t bear it anymore, the fruit of your ailment on the VO page!
  • Cypa
    Cypa 7 July 2020 08: 27 New
    +3
    Why the hell are they needed there at all? they will not be used anyway. High politics go it to the left
    1. mag nit
      mag nit 7 July 2020 08: 54 New
      +1
      To participate in parades.
      1. Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator 7 July 2020 23: 12 New
        0
        Quote: mag nit
        To participate in parades.

        And THIS - too! yes
    2. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 7 July 2020 22: 43 New
      0
      Quote: Cypa
      they will not be used anyway

      Who is theirs? Complexes S-400? So instead of them, the OTRK Iskander, SRZO Smerch, Hurricane, TOS-1M complexes VERY SUCCESSFULLY work ... Therefore, there is no need (for now, thank God!) In their application that the “opponent” knows their potential. But if they WAS NOT, be sure that the need for their application would arise CONSTANTLY! I’ll make a small excursion into the Recent History: why the Drop Shot and Unthinkable plans were not implemented, precisely because of the high potential of the air defense and the USSR Air Force.
  • SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 7 July 2020 09: 04 New
    0
    Another “excuse” by “verbal agreements” ..
  • huntsman650
    huntsman650 7 July 2020 09: 17 New
    0
    Each product has its own purpose. Ilya Muromets everyone knows))). For a long time he lay on the stove))). See an analysis of the use of the Air Force in Yugoslavia. When the unavailable avax hangs and directs the planes to everything that is boasting))).
  • stone
    stone 7 July 2020 11: 03 New
    +6
    “The ignorance of military observers about the technological features of the S-400 and S-350 Vityaz air defense system’s element base, as well as about the flight and technical parameters of the 48N6E / DM and 9M96E2 missiles, again continued a series of speculations regarding the future of the“ Fourteenth ”in the global arms market"
    Where already there to any military observers to the cool strategist and specialist of the multi-operator - Damantsev! laughing
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 7 July 2020 23: 10 New
      0
      Quote: stone
      Where already there to any military observers to the cool strategist and specialist of the multi-operator - Damantsev!

      And even more so - where is there any Damantsev to such a genius as YOU wassat
      1. stone
        stone 8 July 2020 06: 49 New
        +1
        I, unlike Damantsev, do not pretend to play this role from my couch, and I don’t write stupid articles stuffed with numbers and names. I express my value judgment, of course.
  • rica1952
    rica1952 7 July 2020 13: 46 New
    +4
    So far, there has not been a single downed target, therefore there is nothing to talk about.
    1. Charik
      Charik 7 July 2020 21: 54 New
      -1
      and at the training grounds they train on birds or something or on balloons
      1. Avior
        Avior 7 July 2020 22: 11 New
        0
        real combat conditions are very different from training ranges
        1. Charik
          Charik 7 July 2020 22: 14 New
          0
          and do they not create conditions close to combat at the training grounds, such as many goals, jamming with a reb-not? -for pure goals, chtol train, I think there are all the options worked out
    2. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 7 July 2020 22: 52 New
      0
      Quote: rica1952
      So far, there has not been a single downed target, therefore there is nothing to talk about.

      Because there is not a single downed target, "schO bad dumb!" fellow however, before barking toward the S-400, they would specify "purely for themselves", and for what purposes does this complex "train"? You will be surprised that the combat impact equivalent of this "training" projectile - the Kaban target missile - in the arsenal of "probable partners" will appear VERY soon!
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 7 July 2020 16: 02 New
    -2
    The only reason for the low effectiveness of anti-aircraft defense is that fighting is necessary. They hit Israel - no! Sooner or later, all complexes will be destroyed. Delivering was a big mistake. Now you have to put the blame on crooked hands and stuff, nothing more
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 7 July 2020 22: 57 New
      -1
      Quote: imobile2008
      They hit Israel - no!

      Hot You are a young man. I'll see! But were we supposed to? fool You should NOT be involved in politics - grab the lyule, to the fullest, even from partners! And do not sit down to play cards - this is not yours! stop
  • Svateev
    Svateev 7 July 2020 16: 47 New
    +2
    supplemented by an unspoken unspoken clause on the exclusion of the possibility of using S-400 VKS systems of Russia against both tactical aviation of the Israeli Air Force and against tactical missile weapons of the IDF used against the strategically important infrastructure of the Syrian army and the elite KISIR Al-Quds throughout the Syrian Arab Republic.

    Does the author have evidence of this claim?
    Or just guesses?
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 7 July 2020 23: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Svateev
      Does the author have evidence of this claim?
      Or just guesses?

      And what do you need "stamp, signature, protocol"? (C) Diamond hand "
      You are a strange subject, however! In politics, often, the conclusion about intentions is made only on one sideways glance. Remember the "Glass of water." After all, the conclusion made by Damantsev in the article most likely does not belong to him himself!
      1. Svateev
        Svateev 17 July 2020 12: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Igor Aviator
        In politics, the conclusion is ... only one sideways glance.

        Then the author had to write like that: "I guess." And he claims to have such an agreement on hand. Not good, sir.
  • alekszeit
    alekszeit 8 July 2020 01: 25 New
    +1
    why they don’t shoot, I don’t understand, but what is incomprehensible here? In my opinion, the main goal of Russia is to have a base there and to control the entire Mediterranean swimming pool. Mission accomplished. For her life, two conditions are needed - protecting the base and maintaining the Assad regime. Also successfully completed. Jews bomb the vast majority of Iranian targets, since long ago to it. don't breathe evenly. We cannot or do not want to expel him from Syria, but who else will help militarily resist Assad? We do not need a direct conflict with Israel, as well as with Turkey. This will jeopardize the very existence of the base. And why then was the fence garden?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 8 July 2020 09: 57 New
      -1
      That's right .... In general, it is ...
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 8 July 2020 13: 29 New
    0
    Quote: Igor Aviator
    Quote: imobile2008
    They hit Israel - no!

    Hot You are a young man. I'll see! But were we supposed to? fool You should NOT be involved in politics - grab the lyule, to the fullest, even from partners! And do not sit down to play cards - this is not yours! stop

    And then there was no need to climb. And so we grab the lyuli, and get nothing, even theoretically there is no chance to get
  • Alexey Petrovichev
    Alexey Petrovichev 8 July 2020 21: 11 New
    0
    I would say it easier: one complements the other.
  • storm
    storm 9 July 2020 00: 14 New
    0
    Russia's main goal in Syria is not Assad at all, but how to prevent the construction of oil and gas pipelines from Saudi Arabia through Turkey to Europe.
    If Russia loses Syria, then within a few years it will lose the European oil and gas market as well. the cost of oil production in Saudi Arabia is several times lower.
    Strong Assad, the winner of Russia's igil, is also not needed. he, like any other independent ruler, will begin to dictate his conditions to us and demand too much ....
    Assad now understands that without Russia he will be overthrown in several months and torn to pieces like Gaddafi, therefore he is content with what Russia offers him and nothing more ...
  • Prahlad
    Prahlad 9 July 2020 11: 37 New
    0
    Honestly, I can’t understand how this complex detects targets at 400km. There the curvature of the earth and all that. I think its capabilities are simply exaggerated by marketers. This complex has no radars reflecting signals from the ionosphere. Not friends, he will lose the f-35 in battle