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March missile cruiser extended marching readiness until 2040

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March missile cruiser extended marching readiness until 2040

ФлР° РіРјР ° РЅ Черноморского fleet the Nakhimov Guards Order missile cruiser "Moscow" will serve at least another 20 years, until 2040. This was reported by TASS with reference to a source in the Russian military-industrial complex (MIC).


According to the source, the cruiser was removed from the dock last Friday after repairs. It is assumed that in the future, “Moscow” will remain in service until 2040, which will be a record of service life for ships of the 1st rank.

During the repair, the second bottom, tanks, part of the underwater hull were replaced on the cruiser, which, according to experts, will allow it to be operational for at least another 20 years. (...) for domestic warships of the 1st rank this will become one of the records of the total service life

- the agency quotes the source’s words, while emphasizing that it does not have official confirmation of this information.

As previously reported, after the repair, "Moscow" will undergo the necessary tests and at the end of summer will go to the Mediterranean Sea, where it will become part of the permanent group of the Russian Navy.

The previous time the cruiser was on a long hike from September 2015 to January 2016. The ship provided air defense from the sea direction of the Russian air base Khmeimim in Syria.

The cruiser "Moscow" was laid on the stocks of the Nikolaev shipbuilding plant named after the 61 communard in the 1976 year as the Slava missile cruiser, is the leading missile in the series of missile cruisers. Launched 27 July 1979 g., Was put into operation in 1983 year. Displacement - 11380 tons. It is equipped with 16 launchers of Vulkan missiles, artillery, air defense systems, torpedo tubes and depth-fire bombs.
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  1. mdsr
    mdsr 4 July 2020 12: 31
    16
    What just do not write journalists. Being in the ranks does not mean that he will be needed in this ranks. If you do not carry out modernization on it, at least, as on Marshal Ustinov, then the military value of Moscow will tend to zero. Think for yourself, it has the ancient S-300F, which is absolutely not able to work in conditions of RE interference. You can dazzle him without any difficulty. Its land analogues which are being decommissioned. Yes, and other systems. Next, the main caliber is the RCC Volcano (?). They have not been produced for a long time, and the life of existing ones is ending. A similar situation is with the CEO. And the ship’s electrical and electronic system now needs to be replaced. When repairing Ustinov, they were first replaced.
    1. nPuBaTuP
      nPuBaTuP 4 July 2020 12: 39
      -7
      what is wrong?
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 4 July 2020 12: 41
      +7
      It is assumed that in the future "Moskva" will remain in service until 2040, which will be a record of service life for ships of the 1st rank.

      Perhaps the corps will be able to serve even more, and a complex of weapons?

      Without deep modernization for modern mine-based launchers, the ship can only conditionally be called "1st rank ship", and then, only because of the displacement and dimension ...

      And the ship, after all, is "tailored" according to the concept of already dense years, its modernization for "Caliber" and "Zircon" will be difficult and expensive. If at all practically possible.

      A ship of a powerful (so far) concept, but outgoing ...
      1. seti
        seti 4 July 2020 12: 58
        15
        It is possible that very soon his missile rearmament and a change in the radar filling will occur. After all, if he serve another 20 years, then this is inevitable.
        This is all one thing better than losing it. And so he will still serve the Fatherland all the more so the casing and turbines in acceptable condition.
        7 feet to him under the keel and happy sailing.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 4 July 2020 13: 04
          +1
          Quote: seti
          It is possible that very soon his missile rearmament and a change in the radar filling will occur.

          Considering the architecture of the cruiser and the location of the "twin" PU "on-board" on the waist, this will be extremely difficult and costly to do.
          Such modernization will probably entail a radical restructuring of the ship.
          1. Night sniper
            Night sniper 4 July 2020 13: 16
            10
            Not necessary. Deck containers RCC Vulcan can be replaced by the same deck containers, for example with RCC Onyx-M, with a range of 800 km. After all, they are installing Uran-M anti-ship missiles in deck containers on new corvettes of the 20380 type.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 4 July 2020 13: 20
              0
              Quote: Night Sniper
              Deck containers RCC Vulcan can be replaced by the same deck containers, for example with RCC Onyx-M, with a range of 800 km. After all, they are installing Uran-M anti-ship missiles in deck containers on new corvettes of the 20380 type.

              You can give a "breakdown" about how many missiles can carry cruiser (and whether it will be possible to name it "1st rank cruiser") with such a modernization, and it is definitely clear to indicate whether their number will somehow radically surpass that on the new corvettes?

              Is the game worth the candle?
              1. Night sniper
                Night sniper 4 July 2020 13: 29
                10
                Well, if you recall the MRK type Ovod, Soviet-built, then he could carry 8 anti-ship missiles Onyx instead of 6 old anti-ship missiles Malachite. Now such vessels are re-equipping URN-M anti-ship missiles, installing 16 anti-ship missiles each. Of course, in terms of the number of missiles in the ammunition complex of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Moscow will not reach the capabilities of new super-destroyers like Leader, but so far they are not, and large ships are needed by the Russian fleet today, and not sometime. I think that one twin Vulkan anti-ship missile system can be easily replaced with one Onyx-M four-missile anti-ship missile system, which will increase the ammunition load of the Moscow RK from 16 Vulkan anti-ship missiles to 32 Onyx-M anti-ship missiles. This is better than nothing.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 4 July 2020 16: 57
                  -3
                  Well, if you remember the MRK type Ovod, Soviet-built, then he could carry 8 anti-ship missiles Onyx

                  Could not. The inclined PU Onyx did not justify itself and was not put anywhere else. And the Gadfly was quickly removed from service.
                  1. Night sniper
                    Night sniper 4 July 2020 23: 03
                    +1
                    The Ovod type missile defense system armed with anti-ship missiles Onyx was called Nakat; it became part of the USSR fleet in December 1987. It was decommissioned from the Russian fleet in February 2012, having served for 25 years. Do you think it’s quickly written off ?! Do not grind nonsense!
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 5 July 2020 01: 41
                      -1
                      Grinding rubbish is your business. yes
                      Well, if you recall the MRK type Ovod, Soviet-built, then he could carry 8 anti-ship missiles Onyx instead of 6 old anti-ship missiles Malachite.

                      Count how many Onyxes were on Nakat, then clever. lol



              2. alexmach
                alexmach 4 July 2020 13: 39
                0
                and say - will their number somehow radically exceed that on the new corvettes?

                Strictly in the eye - will be. More than that, the corvette is accurate, and more than the frigate as well.
                A minimum of 6 Onyx missiles can be placed at the starting position, possibly more, which will increase the stock of anti-ship missiles to 48
                1. Bashkirkhan
                  Bashkirkhan 4 July 2020 13: 54
                  +9
                  Quote: alexmach
                  A minimum of 6 Onyx missiles can be placed at the starting position, possibly more, which will increase the stock of anti-ship missiles to 48

                  I read on one forum that, according to the Onyx developers, the rocket is not comfortable with the launch from an inclined launcher. Vertical start only. The cruiser "Moskva" will serve for some time until the resource of the Ukrainian turbines is exhausted and will go into hitch due to the lack of spare parts. Upgrading the ship is not advisable.
                  1. Night sniper
                    Night sniper 4 July 2020 13: 57
                    0
                    RCC Onyx stood on the MRK Ovod and it was in deck containers. The ship was decommissioned after many years of operation.
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 4 July 2020 14: 29
                      +6
                      They were tested regularly, as far as I understand, they were not standing. But yes, it was originally designed to replace old missiles, including inclined launchers.

                      If suddenly the rocket is not comfortable with the start from an inclined launcher, then the rocket can be modernized and add such an opportunity to it. And it is simpler and cheaper than building a new ship, and than "reshaping" the old one for a VPU.
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 4 July 2020 17: 01
                        0
                        Colleague Bashkirkhan he said everything correctly. yes
                        No downhill PUs for Onyx. And they won’t do it.
                        Zircon on the nose ... wink
                      2. alexmach
                        alexmach 4 July 2020 19: 04
                        +1
                        Zircon when it will be.

                        But even if there are none right now, making them is not a problem. Starting from VPU is a bit more complicated than starting from an inclined launcher. It’s not difficult to finalize a rocket launching from a runway for launching from an inclined launcher even with a subsequent 180-degree turn. There would be a desire and the expediency of re-equipping the Atlanteans. I probably agree that the service until 2040 Moscow is rather a jungle fiction. He probably will not reach the level of 2040 by GEM, not to mention weapons.
                      3. Alex777
                        Alex777 4 July 2020 20: 44
                        0
                        Zircon is already there. In 2022 they will be adopted. yes
                        Moscow is a good ship. Of the real ones.
                        With GEM - you are right, the situation is not entirely clear. But there is also a solution that is too early to voice. smile
                        Air Defense in Moscow - Fort-M. He was put first there. So today it is the best complex that the fleet has. I have not yet heard that the 9M96D flies as it should.
                        As for the Volcanoes, they will not be exchanged for Onyx. The "Partners" have developed interceptors for the Onyxes. And "Sea Ceptor", and "Aster", and others, targets up to 3M intercept on one side, and on the other - the range of the "Onyx", although different, up to 800 km is indicated, but how real it is is unknown.
                        So Zircon is our future. And under it, IMHO, it makes sense to make inclined PU for Atlantis. Even if instead of 2 Volcanoes they put 3 Zircons each - the ship will be the most powerful. 24 rockets.
                        I can assume that the life of Moscow in 20 years includes 4-5 years of modernization.
                        Then a total term of 60 years will be like the truth. Indeed, in the repair of the 90s, Moscow stood for 9 years. And the last couple of years, too, was at the pier.
                        Unless, of course, solve the problem with the state power plant. hi
            2. Insurgent
              Insurgent 5 July 2020 08: 11
              -3
              Quote: alexmach
              A minimum of 6 Onyx missiles can be placed at the starting position, possibly more, which will increase the stock of anti-ship missiles to 48

              Cruiser, 1st rank ship, and total 48 units of URO ???
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 5 July 2020 10: 29
                +1
                Cruiser, ship of the 1st rank, and only 48 units of URO ???

                First is the minimum
                Secondly, in conjunction with large missile launchers, it’s quite at the Burke level.
                Well, in the third and what, is a cruiser of the first rank with 16 anti-ship missiles much better or what?
          2. Local from the Volga
            Local from the Volga 4 July 2020 16: 39
            0
            Better on needles?
            1. ZAV69
              ZAV69 4 July 2020 17: 35
              -7
              Better on the eternal ally ship museum
          3. bayard
            bayard 4 July 2020 16: 54
            0
            Quote: Insurgent
            You can give a "breakdown" on how many missiles a cruiser can carry (and whether it will be possible to call it a "rank 1 cruiser") with such a

            Now nuclear submarines of type 949 are being modernized, they will have 3 launchers for Onyx, Caliber or Zircon in each launcher. The launchers for 949 are unified from launchers for 1164, so they can be upgraded in the same way. If you dismantle the launchers themselves on 48 and place the launchers for the "Onyx" \ "Caliber" \ "Zircon" in their place, then instead of one paired launcher, you can place up to 1164 launchers for new missiles. But this will be more serious and complex modernization and are unlikely to go for it.
            Of course, no one will adapt the CD for an oblique launch for the sake of installing those on one old ship, but linking such an upgrade to projects 949 and 1164 is a completely different matter. So if everything works out on "Batons", then you can expect the same on "Slava".
            The modernization of the cruiser’s radar is inevitable and I suspect that in part it has already been carried out.
            Quote: Insurgent
            Is the game worth the candle?

            This is indeed an expensive pleasure, and if the construction of new ships for the 22350 and 22350M fleets nevertheless reaches an acceptable pace, then a deep modernization of the old ships is impractical - the cost of modernization and its terms can equal the cost of a new ship. So - the extension and maintenance of combat and marching readiness for 10 - 15 years (these 20 years are also good, but hard to believe) and replacement with new ships. If these 10 - 15 years of the main caliber of the Kyrgyz Republic are ready, then rearmament with new ones is inexpedient.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 4 July 2020 21: 47
              +2
              Launchers for 949 are unified with launchers for 1164, so they can be upgraded in a similar way.

              This is not true. unification is only between PU Granite pr.949 and 1144. On pr.1164 there is Basalt
              1. bayard
                bayard 4 July 2020 22: 25
                +1
                This is not important, the diameter is about the same, and the main problem is to adapt the RC (Caliber, Onyx, Zircon) for starting with an inclined launcher. This makes sense only if it is not for one old ship, but for a series. Such a series can be 949 and 1164. Moreover, without modernization of 949, work on 1164 does not matter - the costs will not justify the result.
                They will solve the problem for 949, and it will be possible to do 1164.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 4 July 2020 22: 32
                  +2
                  On 949AM there will be an inclined start of Onyx
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 5 July 2020 00: 44
                    0
                    Their (949) main task is to fight between AUG and KUG, so Onyx is objectively the main weapon for them. As well as in the case of 1164.
                    And Caliber is also capable of starting not only from inclined, but also horizontally located TA. So, if desired, the range of weapons can be expanded.
                    About "Zircon" so far only talk. But in the future there should be nothing fundamentally different from the start of Onyx. However, it is better to install the Zircon on new ships - they will serve for a long time.
                  2. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 5 July 2020 07: 40
                    -1
                    PU missiles should have a single standard, and this was also solved in Soviet times ....
                    - there is no evidence of the inclined start of the Caliber to this day unfortunately - which means that it must be taught and in my opinion is more than real.
                    What is Zircon is unknown to me from the word in general.
                  3. bayard
                    bayard 5 July 2020 13: 32
                    +1
                    "Caliber" is the son of "Pomegranate", and dad quite started off with an inclined launcher. Ground. Mobile. So there should be nothing difficult in mastering the skills of an ancestor. But the expediency is questionable, if for one or two ships. But if for the series 949 + 1164 ... the meaning already appears, and therefore - the prospect.
                  4. Vladimir1155
                    Vladimir1155 5 July 2020 16: 37
                    0
                    in general I support ... only 949 are not young and will their modernization be? and in what quantity? then it’s better to upgrade one more 949 (extremely necessary for the country) than to invest in 1164, which without modernization is quite capable of replacing a patrol frigate, and what else is needed from a surface ship?
                  5. bayard
                    bayard 5 July 2020 17: 38
                    +1
                    Quote: vladimir1155
                    in general I support ... only 949 are not young and will their modernization be? and in what quantity?

                    They promised to drive everything through the modernization ... well, at least 4 - 6 pieces. Here everything depends on the capacity of ship repair facilities. If another plant in the north is connected to the work, besides the Zvezda shipyard in Bolshoy Kamen.

                    Quote: vladimir1155
                    then it’s better to upgrade by one 949 more (which is extremely necessary for the country) than to invest in 1164,

                    It is unlikely that this is possible on the same shipyard, moreover, the problem is in rearmament only in the availability of missiles adapted to an inclined launch and the skill to stick three Onyx or Caliber missiles into one launcher.
                    Such modernization can be carried out during the next average repair.
                    And only if it makes sense if the "Basalts" \ "Granites" \ "Volcanoes" lose their combat readiness before the ships are decommissioned.
  2. Alex777
    Alex777 4 July 2020 17: 12
    +1
    Is the game worth the candle?

    It is very unwise to compare the cruiser with Fort M and any of the corvettes or frigates. yes
  3. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 4 July 2020 21: 54
    +3
    On the Marshal Shaposhnikov BPK 8 "bells" were replaced by 12 "uraniums". In the future, I think it is possible to replace it with more modern anti-ship missiles. What prevents you from doing the same on "Moscow"?
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 5 July 2020 02: 46
      0
      On the Marshal Shaposhnikov BPK 8 "bells" were replaced by 12 "uraniums".

      Only 8 Uraniums were replaced. 2x4.

      Art installation, but reflects the real situation.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 5 July 2020 09: 12
        0
        Judging by the place on the deck, there is still a pair of packages can be delivered. And there will be enough space and even a gain in weight will remain. Repair is not finished yet.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 5 July 2020 11: 26
          +1
          Not in this case. In purchases - 2x4 Uranium and more will not be placed.
          If there was my will, I would put 8x4. wink
          Apparently, this place can no longer be loaded. hi
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 5 July 2020 15: 50
            0
            I don't think that 2 packages of "uraniums" weigh more than 4 TPK "Rastrub". You can put it later. There is enough space on the deck
          2. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 5 July 2020 16: 52
            +1
            Quote: TermNachTER
            2 packages of "uraniums" weigh more than 4

            there is also stability, not everything heavy can be placed on the deck ... otherwise it will be like with a gustav vase
          3. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 5 July 2020 17: 26
            0
            So I say that 4 packages of uranium weigh less than eight TPK "Rastrub", so there should be no problems with the "upper" weight.
          4. bayard
            bayard 5 July 2020 17: 49
            0
            There, before cutting, there are also 16 (2 x 8) launchers for missiles. And slightly buried beneath the deck. So if 8 launchers go half the PLR, then the other 8 - under the RCC. 8 + 8 anti-ship missiles - apparently decided that was enough.
            ... Although if for me, then there is enough space on the tank for 3 UKKS with placement as on the latest version 22350.
            A 8 pcs. The Kh-35 is quite enough for less priority surface targets. On "Burks" sometimes they are content with 4 "Harpoons".
          5. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 5 July 2020 18: 10
            0
            Well, there is a PU SAM "Dagger" in the tank. I don't think it will be removed. They said that they would remove the second, upper 100-mm tower. and they will put something in its place. Three UVPs would be great - 24 missiles, but it is unlikely - the entire nose will have to be redone.
          6. bayard
            bayard 5 July 2020 18: 56
            0
            Quote: TermNachTER
            They said that they would remove the second, upper 100-mm tower. and they will put something in its place.

            It has long been removed and put, but two UKKS. In place of the second tower. But there could fit 3 UKKS with placement as on the last mortgaged 22350.
            "Dagger" remains in place, but at the stern (behind the hangar) they are going to put something like "Pantsir-M".
  4. Alex777
    Alex777 5 July 2020 17: 54
    +1
    So you see in the picture that the Uraniums are not on a stand under the Bell, but on the deck. wink
    Knowledgeable comrades still mentioned the difficulty of reloading .. hi
  5. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 5 July 2020 19: 02
    -1
    I don’t think that they will reload during the battle. But the database should not be problems.
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 5 July 2020 16: 42
    0
    at 1155 they found a place for vertical pu, removed the gun mount on the tank and part of the internal premises, if 1164 is similarly modernized, then it will turn out no more than 12 uraniums ..... the size is not the same ... and in order 6-8 1155 and modernization turns out serial (if the first pancake is not lumpy), and for 1164 the project is also drawn and everything is coordinated and as a result 1155 is received but long
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 5 July 2020 16: 49
      -1
      Well, it’s not yet known what they are going to put in place of the second 100 mm. Different options voiced
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 5 July 2020 19: 50
        +1
        2 UKKS instead of the second 100 mm and AK-190 instead of the first. Already stand. The picture shows. hi
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 5 July 2020 19: 51
          -1
          I have not seen this picture yet.
        2. Alex777
          Alex777 5 July 2020 19: 52
          +1
          A little higher in correspondence, look laughing
        3. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 5 July 2020 21: 51
          0
          I saw that picture, but what they are going to mount there is a question for now. I thought there was a photo more specific.
        4. Alex777
          Alex777 10 July 2020 08: 44
          0
          Shaposhnikov has already entered the running gears, but you still don’t see what you put on him ...
        5. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 10 July 2020 11: 57
          0
          I see packages of "uraniums". But I don't know what they put instead of the elevated tower. You can see some kind of hatches.
        6. Alex777
          Alex777 10 July 2020 13: 21
          0
          2 UKKS. 16 missiles. The picture in the new branch is clearly visible.
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 4 July 2020 13: 12
    +1
    Quote: Insurgent
    And the ship, after all, is "tailored" according to the concept of already dense years, its modernization for "Caliber" and "Zircon" will be difficult and expensive. If at all practically possible.
    its design does not allow the installation of mine missiles, but the modernization of volcanoes does not make much sense, for three very old ships, the cruiser performs the functions of a guard, there is an art installation, maybe there are missiles, there is a move, that is, it turned into a kind of Inquisitive, .. .and what exactly is needed? The concept of surface cruisers and battleships is outdated in principle, they are not needed, and he thinks he can fulfill the frigate functions, and he even has less pitching, It is not clear why he needs such a large team if part of the equipment still does not work.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 5 July 2020 09: 10
      0
      Just why neither mattress covers, nor other sworn friends on NATO, are going to abandon large surface ships. Mattresses even design new cruisers.
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 5 July 2020 16: 20
        0
        Where? the Americans switched to destroyers there a long time ago, and the cruisers are being written off in batches, and in Europe there have been no cruisers for a long time, and they are not building destroyers either. Large surface ships can only be used as part of a large formation of ships of a superpower, that is, China or the United States, and all other countries are not able to create kug, and logically abandoned not only battleship cruisers, but also destroyers ... they build patrol frigates much weaker than even in the Russian Federation, they are not fools. Only we have enthusiasts of huge single monsters thinking in the 18th century, for the "projection of force" that will be destroyed by the first torpedo mine or the third missile ...., with the death of the entire crew and weapons, as was the case with battleships and cruisers in Tsushima, in the first and WWII, and even in the Falklands, learn history if you are not able to learn materiel
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 5 July 2020 16: 50
          0
          They write off the "Ticonderogs", and not all, but only the oldest. A new cruiser URO is being designed instead.
  • Night sniper
    Night sniper 4 July 2020 13: 13
    -2
    Ustinov is armed with the more ancient anti-ship missiles Basalt, whose range is significantly inferior to the Volcanoes, although I agree with you that further modernization is needed. Soviet-built cruisers are needed by the Russian Federation, at least until they build an adequate replacement. The government promises to build 6 nuclear-powered super destroyers like Leader. In general, this is not bad, but for the Black and Baltic Sea large ships with ordinary turbines are needed. Let's see what happens in reality.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 4 July 2020 17: 08
      0
      Do not write nonsense. On Ustinov, heat-resistant PU with a full-fledged Volcano. yes
  • ankir13
    ankir13 4 July 2020 14: 19
    -4
    Probably not smart specialists repaired and modernized it .... How many, about 5 years, probably fools worked ...
  • Megatron
    Megatron 4 July 2020 15: 52
    -1
    All Eagles would still be restored.
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 5 July 2020 16: 45
      0
      the whole pair of eagles? Nakhimov seems to be so dear that Petya is waiting for a very sparing VTG (, or directly cancellation
  • sailor roman
    sailor roman 4 July 2020 16: 46
    -3
    I agree. As a warship decisive, this ship is only suitable in conflicts with "banana" countries. It is very expensive to use this ship for solving other combat missions, for example, tracking the strike forces of a potential enemy. But for ship repairers, keeping the ship on the balance sheet of the aircraft is beneficial. Unfortunately, today it is very difficult for a country to build a ship of this class for several reasons.
  • Alex777
    Alex777 4 July 2020 17: 07
    +1
    What just do not write journalists. Being in the ranks does not mean that he will be needed in this ranks.

    That just do not write critics from the couch. wink
    Think for yourself, it has the ancient S-300F, which is absolutely not able to work in conditions of RE interference.

    Here it is not necessary to think, but to know. Fort-M stands in Moscow. Long. lol
    And the antenna post is not the one you "think" about, but which you need. yes
  • Andylw
    Andylw 4 July 2020 20: 23
    +1
    On Ustinov, neither the fort, nor the volcano, nor the CEO was changed ...
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 4 July 2020 20: 50
      -1
      Where did you get this information from? wink
      1. Andylw
        Andylw 4 July 2020 21: 40
        +2
        everyone knows that
        only the wild boar was put in place of the wave.
        rockets and gas did not touch
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 4 July 2020 21: 57
          +2
          Everything cannot be known to everyone. When they tell me that, everyone answers: “It's strange, but I didn't know.
        2. Alex777
          Alex777 4 July 2020 22: 04
          -1
          As far as I know, on Ustinov they replaced the volcano launchers with heat-resistant ones and installed regular accelerators on the volcanoes. Now the Volcano flies 1000 km. smile
          Did they deliver Fort-M and when - I won’t say for sure. But they should have.
          And not only on Ustinov. On Peter 1, for example, the old one was changed.
          For I heard from the corner of my ear that there were no missiles for the old Fort. hi
          So they replaced the missiles and upgraded the Fort everywhere.
  • nPuBaTuP
    nPuBaTuP 4 July 2020 12: 39
    +7
    7 feet under the keel .... and good luck on subsequent trips ...
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 4 July 2020 12: 46
    -3
    There is a marching readiness of the ship-
    the readiness of the ship for the campaign, the condition of the ship, in which it can be removed from the anchor (mooring lines) in a specified time and follow to complete the task. Based on the situation and technical capabilities, the following marching readiness of the ship exists: immediate, readiness determined by the clock (from 1 to 12), and readiness determined by the day.
    Well, then immediately and until 2040 the cruiser’s preparedness for the campaign was extended laughingIt happens. But the article sounded cool!
    March missile cruiser extended marching readiness until 2040
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 4 July 2020 12: 50
      +1
      Well, where they can extend it for 10 years, if they wish, they can extend it for 20 years. Moreover, with our then deficit of surface ships of the 1st rank.22350M, if they build it only by the beginning of 2030.
      The Project 1164 Moskva guards missile cruiser, Atlant code, will serve for at least another ten years: the service life of the Black Sea Fleet flagship has been extended. Two informed industry sources told Mil.Press FLOT about this.


      It is planned to complete the repair and restore the technical readiness of the cruiser in the second quarter of 2020. The main attention was paid to the repair of the main power plant, including gas turbine generators, gearboxes, fuel equipment, gas ducts of marching gas turbine engines and other elements of the power plant.

      https://flot.com/2020/349341/?sphrase_id=580112
  • Alexander Zima
    Alexander Zima 4 July 2020 12: 54
    -19 qualifying.
    What a replacement for weapons ..... just the name CRUISER "MOSCOW" .... will scare potential partners even when leaving the US bases .... And who wants to experience this "old thing" .... let him try ... here everything is decided by the team ... remember the antediluvian boat MARENESCA ... but how cleverly he put a torpedo into the side ... moreover, from the sea and not from under the water ... and you can say in front of the amazed Germans ... after all they saw him but took for their own.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 4 July 2020 13: 02
      +8
      Quote: Alexander Zima
      boat MARENESCU.

      Absolutely trouble, Zemo ... wassat
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 4 July 2020 13: 05
      +7
      I agree. If the Vulcan anti-ship missile with its mass of 7-8 tons flies at a speed of Mach 3 into the side of a cruiser or an aircraft carrier, then the damage will be fatal, and even given the powerful warhead of the Vulcan anti-ship missile. Many modern anti-ship missiles do not even have the characteristics that the "old "The volcano.
      Despite more than 25 years of service, Vulcan is far from retirement. With a speed of more than 600 meters per second (and at the final part of the trajectory - more than a kilometer per second), the Volcano is even now head and shoulders above most foreign missiles. The Harpoon and Tomahawk subsonic missiles did not even dream of maneuvers at such speeds. Experts note that, despite the high speed characteristics, the P-1000 still carries a 500 kg warhead that can render harmless and seriously damage any ship, including a large cruiser, destroyer or aircraft carrier.

      https://m.tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201601050731-ddon.htm
    3. Night sniper
      Night sniper 4 July 2020 13: 21
      +1
      Marenesku went on type C submarines, while the Ski then was considered one of the best submarines of the USSR (6 torpedo tubes 533 mm, 100 mm deck guns, 45 mm deck semi-automatic anti-aircraft guns), inferior in terms of armament to only larger type K submarines (cruising)
    4. NOMADE
      NOMADE 4 July 2020 16: 31
      +3
      Hand face .. Wake up
  • convoy
    convoy 4 July 2020 12: 59
    +5
    Well, now everyone will vulgarize and curse ..))
    And I'm happy for the cruiser! Able to do in the days of the USSR! hi
    1. mdsr
      mdsr 4 July 2020 13: 10
      -2
      If everyone except Urya, you consider it
      Quote: Konvoi
      Well, now everyone will vulgarize and curse ..))
      then most likely it will be so for you yes
      Quote: Konvoi
      Able to do in the days of the USSR!

      Yes, there were people nowadays
      Not that the current tribe
      Heroes! Not you!
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 4 July 2020 13: 15
    +5
    Well, it is obvious that if it were not for the wild shortage of living ships in our Navy, they would have already written off it. SAM has not been a cake for a long time, electronics has become hopelessly outdated. Yes, and the Volcanoes are too vulnerable for adversary defense.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 4 July 2020 13: 26
      +2
      Yes, and the Volcanoes are too vulnerable for adversary defense.

      Seriously? Explain this "vulnerability." Almost Mach 3 when approaching the target at the Vulcan anti-ship missile. The speed of the Vulcan anti-ship missile is at or slightly higher than that of the Onyx anti-ship missile. The range is also quite good. Where did you get the idea that the Vulcan anti-ship missile is vulnerable?
      1. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 4 July 2020 13: 40
        0
        Huge for rocket EPR and flight altitude.
        1. Night sniper
          Night sniper 4 July 2020 14: 05
          +2
          Well, not huge, but just big. Well, everything is not so simple. Firstly, the supersonic missiles, this is not the American subsonic RCC Harpoon. Secondly, missiles go to the target at the wave level, only one of them goes at high altitude and corrects the direction of flight to the target of the flock. If it is knocked down in its place, another rocket rises. In general, Moscow will be able to completely break through the enemy’s missile defense and at least destroy one large target of the Republic of Kazakhstan (Volcano missiles attack the largest target if the enemy is a group of ships)
      2. Charik
        Charik 4 July 2020 16: 33
        -4
        figured it out myself
    2. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 6 July 2020 02: 20
      0
      Quote: Sahalinets
      Yes, and the Volcanoes are too vulnerable for adversary defense.
      but there is AT LEAST ONE CASE (!) Of interception of the Vulcan anti-ship missile, well, at least some ship complex SAM / ZRAK (yes anything), any of the US / NATO ships (as a possible / probable adversary) ?! .... belay honestly, I'm just wondering (!) ... winked
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 4 July 2020 13: 56
    12
    Not from a good life in the ranks of 50-year-old cruisers ..
    1. ankir13
      ankir13 4 July 2020 14: 28
      -4
      If you are 50 years old, then throw you too, for a good life?
  • Dikson
    Dikson 4 July 2020 14: 34
    +3
    Everything will depend on how long it will last for the SU ... how the car will sprinkle - and it will become a joke ...
  • Klingon
    Klingon 4 July 2020 16: 27
    +1
    instead of weaving new bast shoes, we darn old ones.
    inclined PUs are now not quite in the subject, and other systems are already outdated and do not quite correspond to modern requirements
    1. Charik
      Charik 4 July 2020 19: 30
      +1
      and for some reason Harpoons from the slopes let
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 4 July 2020 19: 43
        +1
        Do we need to focus on harpoons?
        harpoons are also ancient, therefore they are launched from sloping ones. Such a launch system was relevant in the 70-80s. Now all the CR and RCC vertical launch, shopping mall. vertical PCs can be crammed into the deck more compactly and much more than inclined PUs. after being pushed out with a kick charge from the PC, the rocket turns in the right direction with the help of gas rudders.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 4 July 2020 17: 20
    +1
    In the current situation, it is important to maintain, as a platform for future weapons, large cruisers (1164 and 1144 projects) in working condition. After all, about 10 years, nothing like the NK of a displacement of 10-18 thousand tons will not be built at domestic shipyards. Only frigates 4-5 t.t.
    1. Adimius38
      Adimius38 4 July 2020 18: 14
      0
      That's right. We have not built a single strike ship with a displacement of more than 10 thousand tons. And at 4 thousand tons, with all this, the desire not to place a rich arsenal of weapons capable of controlling a large radius around and providing air cover not only for itself but also for more than 100 km around
  • Adimius38
    Adimius38 4 July 2020 18: 10
    0
    quite a logical move, to the super potted and all kinds of Leaders there is still far away and the country needs warships here and now
  • Old26
    Old26 4 July 2020 18: 18
    -2
    Quote: Night Sniper
    I think that one twin installation of RCC Vulcan can be easily replaced with one quad installation of RCC Onyx-M

    Which is also missing and what they will be in size - is still unknown.

    Quote: Charik
    figured it out myself

    No, he repeated the stupidity that they regularly write on the internet ... And the fact that the adversary, along with the French several years ago, conducted exercises to destroy supersonic missiles - also fell out of his sight. And the rocket on his 3 Machs goes above the wave itself ...
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 4 July 2020 19: 07
      -2
      Quote: Old26
      Which is also missing and what they will be in size - is still unknown.


      There is a more adequate option in each Basalt PU to push 2-3 TPK Caliber (as they fit). The proposal is quite adequate for itself; restructuring of the ship is required. True, there is a problem. Onyx can start obliquely, but Caliber must be taught to take off obliquely.
      It was such a modernist scheme that adequate officers in the General Staff of the Fleet suggested back in 2006-2008, for the BOD pr.1155. As a result, it was supposed to replace 8 Sockets with 16 Gauges. What eventually happened and so everyone is in the know.
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 4 July 2020 20: 11
      +3
      Onyx and Onyx-M have the same dimensions, since the range was increased due to more compact electronics and new fuel.
      In Russia, they developed the Onyx-M sea-based cruise missile with a maximum firing range of 800 km and increased accuracy for hitting sea and ground targets. According to TASS, a source in the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation, the missile is equipped with an advanced control system and will be able to hit both sea and ground targets with greater accuracy.


      The new missile is highly protected from the effects of electronic warfare. According to a source in the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation, the missile is capable of carrying conventional and nuclear warheads. The maximum speed of Onyx-M and the overall dimensions are the same as the basic version of the rocket.

      https://aif.ru/society/army/chto_predstavlyaet_soboy_krylataya_raketa_oniks-m

      And the fact that the adversary, along with the French several years ago, conducted exercises on the destruction of supersonic missiles, also fell out of his sight.

      And what does this prove? How many and what supersonic Raman engines
      destroyed during the exercise?
  • huntsman650
    huntsman650 4 July 2020 18: 24
    +1
    Aurora is still part of the Navy?))))
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 4 July 2020 18: 36
    -2
    Quote: mdsr
    Ustinov in the first place they were replaced.

    The modernization of Atlantes is, in principle, not promising. The main caliber in inclined mines can only be replaced by the likeness of Uranus, which is squalor for such a ship. And if you add Fort replacement there, then the price of all this will be sky-high. With this money you can build a full-fledged frigate with the letter M.
  • Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 4 July 2020 19: 16
    +1
    This ship is really not visible successors and he will have to serve for a long time
  • Old26
    Old26 4 July 2020 20: 37
    0
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    Onyx and Onyx-M have the same dimensions, since the range was increased due to more compact electronics and new fuel.

    Yeah. a source in the weapons complex, despite the fact that the work has just begun and there is not a single rocket in metal - this is of course a source. Two hundred kilometers because of the weight of the electronics? How much does it weigh there: 50 - 80 kg? Well, it will decrease by 10 kg. Ramjet engine. New fuel? Maybe But only hydrogen will give the advantage, and a hydrogen engine on a combat missile is nonsense. Therefore, all the talk about the weight and dimensions of even "Onyx-M", even though "Caliber-M" is nothing more than just talk

    Quote: Alex777
    Well, if you remember the MRK type Ovod, Soviet-built, then he could carry 8 anti-ship missiles Onyx

    Could not. The inclined PU Onyx did not justify itself and was not put anywhere else. And the Gadfly was quickly removed from service.

    But the Indians use them. And this does not mean that Onyx cannot start from an inclined launcher.
  • Old26
    Old26 4 July 2020 20: 39
    0
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    And what does this prove? How many and what supersonic Raman engines
    destroyed during the exercise?

    EMNIP - 3. Analogues of our Mosquito rocket. At least they have experience in intercepting supersonic missiles following the HI-HI-LO trajectory. And then we are very fond of saying that our enemy is clumsy and incapable of anything. Alas - this is the position of the ostrich
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 4 July 2020 22: 49
    +2
    If he is not re-equipped and modernized to modern needs, then he can only push in the sea with US ships. A pure mass will push any cruiser off the road.
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 6 July 2020 02: 13
    -1
    if Moscow receives life, then Peter the Great means
    ps means they respect us (they are afraid)
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 6 July 2020 02: 17
    0
    Quote: Old26
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    And what does this prove? How many and what supersonic Raman engines
    destroyed during the exercise?

    EMNIP - 3. Analogues of our Mosquito rocket. At least they have experience in intercepting supersonic missiles following the HI-HI-LO trajectory. And then we are very fond of saying that our enemy is clumsy and incapable of anything. Alas - this is the position of the ostrich

    how many fragments destroyed our missiles, come on data?