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How amendments to the Constitution will affect the protection of the rights and freedoms of citizens: pending results

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The adoption of amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation in any case leaves open the question of observing the constitutional rights of citizens in practice. The updated text of the basic law is one thing, but will the power follow it in reality, and even at all levels?


The Constitution of the Russian Federation was adopted in 1993. Almost thirty years have passed since then, and throughout this period the topic of violation of the constitutional rights and freedoms of Russians has repeatedly been raised. Indeed, not only what is prescribed in the Constitution, it is also necessary that these provisions are observed in practice, and first of all, by those who must protect and protect the constitutional rights of citizens: officials, deputies, judges, police, counterintelligence, and so on.

The new version of the Constitution of the Russian Federation spells out the priority of Russian laws over those international acts that are at variance with the basic law of our country. The amendment is positive when it comes to asserting Russia's sovereignty in the global space, including protecting the political and economic interests of the state on an international scale.

However, if one descends from the world of big politics and international relations into the real life of citizens, then the amendment could contain dangerous potential. Appealing to international instances, such as the European Court of Human Rights, for a long time was the only way for Russians to appeal against unfair decisions of domestic courts. Unfortunately, there were many such decisions.

This possibility will continue, but will our judiciary now take into account the decisions of the ECHR in specific cases? It will be possible to say more definitely only when there is a sufficient layer of judicial practice with appeals to the ECHR, decisions made and refusals to execute them on the basis of an amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation. That is, it will take a considerable time period to assess the consequences of such an amendment for ordinary citizens. The ability of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation to reverse decisions of international instances that go (or supposedly go) contrary to Russian laws, in some cases, can deprive citizens of their last hope of protecting their rights.


For example, crimes and abuses committed by police or special services officers, in some cases did not receive the proper response from the Russian courts and the victims had to reach the ECHR, and only there to seek protection of their violated rights.

Personal human rights and freedoms enshrined in the Constitution of the Russian Federation have also been repeatedly violated, in the opinion of many lawyers and public figures, in the Russian Federation, including by lawmakers. What is worth, for example, one “Spring package”, which seems to have been adopted with the good goals of the fight against terrorist and extremist activity, but in practice allowed the state to accumulate information about the private life of any person.

At the same time, the new version of the Constitution of the Russian Federation means:
The Government of the Russian Federation takes measures to support civil society institutions, including non-profit organizations, and ensures their participation in the development and implementation of state policy.


The constitutional consolidation of support for civil society institutions creates legal prerequisites for more active participation of public organizations and initiatives in the political life of society. This is a big plus, since the development of civil society institutions helps to take into account public opinion and increase the openness of power to the people. Another question is whether the support of civil society institutions will be provided in practice, and who will be included in the number of “elected” public organizations?

In any case, the time will tell how the rights and freedoms of Russian citizens will now be respected and whether the adoption of amendments will be a significant step towards changing the situation. While there is no judicial practice, there is no practice of law enforcement agencies, taking into account amendments to the Constitution. We will expect the first results.
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  1. Clear
    Clear 4 July 2020 19: 04 New
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    How amendments to the Constitution will affect the protection of the rights and freedoms of citizens

    That's right, by themselves - no way. Only from activity
    officials, deputies, judges, police, counterintelligence, and so on.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 4 July 2020 19: 09 New
      12
      Golovan, in more detail about officials, judges, police? Are they completely awake now? Or will they start working under the law?
      1. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 4 July 2020 19: 21 New
        +1
        And it seems to me that we need to start with a clear definition of the terms "freedom" and "human rights."

        Let's agree on the terms! Then we define the boundaries.

        And we will convict, label, protect ... whoever likes what!
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 4 July 2020 19: 55 New
          +4
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          you need to start with a clear definition of the terms "freedom" and "human rights"

          Here you go:
          1) Freedom - the state of the subject in which he is the determining cause of his actions.
          2) Human rights - the rules that protect the freedom of each individual person.

          Quote: Ilya-spb
          define the boundaries

          The border of human freedoms in a society runs at a distance equidistant from each of the totality of free members of a given society.

          Quote: Ilya-spb
          And we will convict, label, protect ... whoever likes what!

          Start
          1. Pravodel
            Pravodel 5 July 2020 11: 03 New
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            The borders of freedom are somewhat incorrectly defined. In this regard, I clarify: the boundaries of the subject are free, the individual is not a distance, and it is indifferent to what is understood, but the right to act / inaction or the performance of an action limited by the right to action / inaction or the commission of an action by other entities, individuals. From here, the freedom of the subject, the individual ends where the freedom of another subject, the individual begins.
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 July 2020 12: 41 New
              0
              Quote: The Truth
              the boundaries are free of the subject, the individual is not a distance

              You simply did not try to imagine the n-dimensional space of permissible states of the subject, which is the essence of his freedom. And distance is a necessary measure of the characteristics of such a space.
              1. Pravodel
                Pravodel 5 July 2020 15: 04 New
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                Dear Boris, I don’t need to represent m-dimensional, n-dimensional or any other space: Hilbert, Lobachevsky, space of manifolds, function space, topological space, homology space, etc., etc. The freedom of the subject, the individual is not determined by space, distance, but is determined by law, the right to act / inaction, the commission / imperfection of an action. And this is the essence of freedom: freedom is a limitation. Where there is no right or the right is violated, such as in anarchy or in the unlimited freedom of liberals, which, however, is just anarchy, there is no freedom. Freedom, understood as “doing what I want,” is not freedom, but the absence of freedom. Freedom is a conscious need, and exists only in this awareness, therefore freedom is the right. Where there is no right, there is no freedom.
                By the way, I’ll notice, if you’ve talked about measure, then distance determines space, but there is no measure of space. Space exists before the introduction of the metric - measure. I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the theory of spaces in more detail, where you will see that there are spaces in which a measure is absent and cannot be introduced, therefore in geometry and in natural science there are metric spaces as a class of spaces distinguished from a common space, and considered as an antipode to nonmetric spaces .
                1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                  Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 July 2020 16: 40 New
                  -3
                  Quote: The Truth
                  The freedom of the subject, the individual is not determined by space

                  And the magnitude of the speed, for example, is not determined by the centimeters of the length of the vector on paper? It’s hard for you to understand, but try.

                  Quote: The Truth
                  the right

                  Set aside this right on the axis. If it still cannot be understood, then I wash my hands.
                  1. Pravodel
                    Pravodel 5 July 2020 17: 08 New
                    0
                    It is not clear, where does the speed and magnitude of the speed? If you are talking about space and the measure of space, then what does speed and magnitude of speed have to do with this. Aristotle also urged that it is not necessary to give birth to new entities where they can be perfectly dispensed with. Therefore, either you adhere to the principle of freedom based on space and at the same time conflict with yourself, with the theory of spaces, with the theory of natural science and psychology, or you recognize freedom as a form of law limited by the rights of other subjects and individuals, and at the same time you draw nothing and you don’t calculate, and then freedom necessarily follows from law.
                    By the way, I note that speed and the magnitude of speed are different concepts: speed in natural science is a vector, and the magnitude of speed is the module of the velocity vector. Therefore, also, please, decide for yourself what you are going to draw, taking into account the differences: speed or magnitude of speed, and do not confuse these concepts, please.
                    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                      Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 July 2020 19: 53 New
                      -2
                      Quote: The Truth
                      Unclear

                      Analogy

                      Quote: The Truth
                      no need to give birth

                      Then you and listen to the old man

                      Quote: The Truth
                      either you adhere <...> or you acknowledge

                      I choose the third option. Logic and consistency in judgment.

                      Quote: The Truth
                      a word, note

                      Really, not worth it. And so you have plenty of water and meaningless incoherent phrases
                2. DVR
                  DVR 6 July 2020 03: 52 New
                  -1
                  I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the theory of spaces in more detail, where you will see that there are spaces in which a measure is absent and cannot be introduced, therefore in geometry and in natural science there are metric spaces as a class of spaces distinguished from a common space, and considered as an antipode to nonmetric spaces .

                  Now prove that everything is not - consciousness. I will be happy for you if you can not :)
            2. Nikolai Korovin
              Nikolai Korovin 6 July 2020 19: 57 New
              0
              In other words (I forgot whom I am going to quote), "Your freedom to wave your fists ends at my nose." Here, I see below about the distance. I agree. This classic was somewhat sloppy. Distance also matters and should be mentioned. If the waving of fists ends directly at the nose, this will be a very significant restriction of the civil liberties of the holder of the nose, requiring a restriction on the freedom of waving of fists. A person who wants to wave his fists should move about five meters, turn his back to his nose and wave his fists in the opposite direction.
              1. Nikolai Korovin
                Nikolai Korovin 6 July 2020 20: 03 New
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                That is, referring to an open discussion, to which I did not immediately read, the velocity vector of the swinging fist in the positive direction should be, as a first approximation, antiorthogonal to the vertical plane passing through the nose. Of course, everything happens in Cartesian coordinates.
        2. Clear
          Clear 4 July 2020 19: 55 New
          +3
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          And it seems to me that we need to start with a clear definition of the terms "freedom" and "human rights."

          Let's agree on the terms! Then we define the boundaries.

          And we will convict, label, protect ... whoever likes what!

          Ilya, what terms to define !? Now we are completely confused in them. It’s just that you have to work in any position honestly and honestly, like most of the people around me.
          1. Deck
            Deck 4 July 2020 22: 07 New
            -3
            “Yes, they showed something about the one who works there. Not scary, ”Putin responded during a meeting between the president and a working group on the preparation of amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation


            1. lopvlad
              lopvlad 5 July 2020 00: 01 New
              +8
              Quote: Deck
              who works there. Not scary


              this is a picture of a rainbow and not an LGBT flag (they don’t have a blue color on the flag and only six colors, and the rainbow has seven).
              1. SOVIET UNION 2
                SOVIET UNION 2 5 July 2020 06: 50 New
                -1
                Every Hunter Wants to Know Where the Pheasant Sits! Where is brown in the rainbow?
                1. Deck
                  Deck 5 July 2020 09: 35 New
                  +2
                  Where is brown in the rainbow?


                  On the CEC emblem. Why dont know.
                2. Ilya Nikitich
                  Ilya Nikitich 6 July 2020 10: 36 New
                  +1
                  Not brown, but purple. The picture shows a color rendering defect ...
          2. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 5 July 2020 07: 56 New
            +6
            We will expect the first results.

            It is difficult to remain in eternal expectation from the "old goat of milk." To speak of amendments to the Constitution as a kind of farce, it allows me the absence in real life of equality of citizens before the law, already spelled out in the article of the old version:
            Article 19
            1. All are equal before the law and the court.

            No one wants to convince me of this equality?
            In Russia there has been, is and will continue to be a bacchanalia with laws, criminal prosecution, unfounded charges, social inequality, remuneration of labor and other “constitutional rights and freedoms,” enter (accept) at least two thousand amendments. Does anyone really have doubts that this injustice legalized by the constitution, as amended, could end?
            Article 17
            2. Fundamental human rights and freedoms are inalienable and belong to everyone from birth.

            I hope everyone understands that one cannot use equal rights “from birth”, and, having become (having received a warm place in the state apparatus) an official, self-denouncing oneself with the right of jurisdiction.
            Quote: Clear
            Just work in any position, honestly and honestlylike most of the people around me.

            In a request to clarify in more detail your place of work in order to determine the parameters of honesty and conscientiousness of the majority of people around you, will you refuse me? At least an approximate place of efforts? wassat
            You can determine the level of honesty and decency of the doctor, looking fiery eyes of his cemetery. You can talk about the honesty and decency of the seller, builder, air traffic controller, pilot ... But who knows?
            What honesty and decency of legislators from the State Duma can be said if they themselves do not live within the framework of the income determined for ordinary citizens, or in the footage of the living space, or in the conditions of “labor activity”?
            We can say with confidence that the author raised questions to which neither the constitution in “amended believe” form, nor the guarantor of this registry of law, nor his environment give us an answer. Take at least two positions.
            The first one. About the minimum wage, which cannot be lower than the subsistence minimum established by law ... wassat Someone setting this cost of living lived on it personally?
            The second one. Affordable healthcare ... wassat It’s good to dream about the availability of medicine being a hundred and fifty miles from the place of service ...
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 5 July 2020 09: 14 New
              -4
              Quote: ROSS 42
              It’s hard to stay in eternal expectation from “old goat milk


              And from young a goat, did you get it? belay lol
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Does anyone really have doubts that this constitutional injustice could it stop?

              WHERE in the Constitution legalization injustice, give a specific position, without empty talk
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Article 17
              2. Fundamental human rights and freedoms are inalienable and belong to everyone from birth.

              I hope everyone understands that one cannot use equal rights “from birth”, but, having become (having received a warm place in the state apparatus) an official, self-incriminate.
              What language is it in? lol
              "Self-expose ... right" ?! lol
              Quote: ROSS 42
              What honesty and decency of legislators from the State Duma can be said if they themselves do not live in the scope of income defined for ordinary citizens, neither in the footage of the living space, nor in the conditions of "labor activity"?

              And WHERE is such a measure of honesty and decency determined?
              1 All decent, are obliged to receive a little, and all poor people are already decent a priori? lol

              2. Where in the Constitution defined ... citizens' income?
              Quote: ROSS 42
              We can say with confidence that the author raised questions to which neither the constitution in “amended believe” form, nor the guarantor of this registry of law, nor his environment give us an answer.

              All of this is clearly answered by the Constitution and the guarantor.
              Quote: ROSS 42
              About the minimum wage, which cannot be lower than the subsistence minimum established by law ... Someone who establishes this subsistence minimum lived on it personally?

              WHAT doesn’t suit you in this norm, FORBIDDING existing in some places quite legal Wages BELOW A WAY?
              Quote: ROSS 42
              The second one. Affordable medical care ... It’s good to dream about the availability of medicine being a hundred and fifty miles from the service location ..

              Why is the adoption of this constitutional norm as binding?
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 5 July 2020 09: 31 New
                +3
                Quote: Olgovich
                WHAT DOESN'T YOU SUIT IN THIS Rule, FORBIDDING THE WAYS WHERE IT IS LEGALLY LEGALLY LICENSE BELOW?

                Every time I am struck not so much by the limitations of your intellect, but by slime and servility in adulthood ...
                You, at least, following Isinbayeva’s example, read the amendments.
                I am not satisfied with the amendment, in which the minimum wage is determined (not lower than the subsistence level), but the subsistence level itself has not been calculated and is not supported by any weighty arguments and arguments ...
                Henceforth, I earnestly ask you, do not ask me your stupid question, for:
                Deaf people do not serve deaf twice. Serve one and the faster. laughing
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 5 July 2020 12: 52 New
                  -5
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  I urge you don't ask me your stupid questionsм

                  belay
                  1.A THIS
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Nor who has no desire convince me
                  WHO requested? fool

                  you have asked you answered

                  2. your tongue-tied tongue: "your questionМ"just, after all, surprisingly, did they study with Klitschko?"

                  And to this: what is:
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  , self-identify ... right
                  Are you ours? Cicero? recourse lol

                  To the same: -Tell me how you have young goat...- milk were given yes ,
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Me every time striking not so much limitation your intellect, how much slander and servility in adulthood ...

                  You have to live with this: limited people constantly are amazed that exists only in their limited, t.s., "heads" hi

                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  I am not satisfied with the amendment, in which the minimum wage is determined (not lower than the subsistence level), but the subsistence level itself has not been calculated and is not supported by any weighty arguments and arguments ...

                  Wow, just the second time you managed to express, finally. the so-called "think" good
                  1. Once again I explain: the amendment that the EXISTING salaries today are lower than living. minimum - declared OUTSIDE the Law and will be raised to it.

                  Got it, no?

                  2. Prozh minimum must be calculated in the .... Constitution ?!
                  There are no words ....belay fool lol
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 16: 35 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    EXISTING salaries today are lower than living. minimum - declared OUTSIDE the Law and will be raised to it.

                    To do this, it was necessary to change the constitution? Then something was prescribed a little. It was necessary immediately as much as possible. And about the repair of fences to retired grandmothers, and about the timely payment of salaries, benefits and so on. And about the fact that during the construction of spaceports it is impossible to steal. laughing
                    1. l7yzo
                      l7yzo 6 July 2020 06: 11 New
                      +1
                      so there was already an article - "Article 37

                      3. Everyone has the right to work in conditions that meet the requirements of safety and hygiene, to remuneration for work without any discrimination and not lower than the minimum wage established by federal law, as well as the right to protection against unemployment. "
        3. Stalllker
          Stalllker 5 July 2020 02: 57 New
          -2
          How would you be right, everyone interprets the concepts of "freedom" and "human right" in their own way
      2. Leshy1975
        Leshy1975 4 July 2020 19: 24 New
        17
        Quote: Svarog
        Golovan, in more detail about officials, judges, police? Are they completely awake now? Or will they start working under the law?

        Volodya, is this really our "friend" Golovan? I do not recognize him in the image. Stylistically, it does not seem to be. But strangeness, of course, is still there: Registered on June 18, 2020 12:03. Only 158 (at the moment) posts, and judging by the epaulettes, when did she manage to get it? Maybe women on VO have different stars request
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 4 July 2020 19: 29 New
          +7
          Quote: Leshy1975
          Quote: Svarog
          Golovan, in more detail about officials, judges, police? Are they completely awake now? Or will they start working under the law?

          Volodya, is this really our "friend" Golovan? I do not recognize him in the image. Stylistically, it does not seem to be. But strangeness, of course, is still there: Registered on June 18, 2020 12:03. Only 158 (at the moment) posts, and judging by the epaulettes, when did she manage to get it? Maybe women on VO have different stars request

          There is a big suspicion that -Yes, moreover there is a suspicion that he also writes with Hagen .. it painfully emphasizes slipping .. although it is encrypted laughing
        2. Clear
          Clear 4 July 2020 19: 37 New
          -3
          Quote: Leshy1975
          Volodya, is this really our "friend" Golovan? I do not recognize him in the image.

          But who is it that everyone is afraid of him? I myself am beginning to fear him.
          Quote: Leshy1975
          our "friend" Golovan?
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 5 July 2020 20: 06 New
            -1
            And here recently he wrote a certain “Jack Golovan”, got a cloud of minuses and probably “changed his shoes”.
        3. cniza
          cniza 4 July 2020 21: 13 New
          -11
          Quote: Leshy1975
          Quote: Svarog
          Golovan, in more detail about officials, judges, police? Are they completely awake now? Or will they start working under the law?

          Volodya, is this really our "friend" Golovan?


          How can you be sausage from any opinion different from yours, do you get baptized or something ...
      3. Clear
        Clear 4 July 2020 19: 28 New
        -6
        Quote: Svarog
        Golovan, more about

        Vladimir, someone already wrote to me about this Golovnin.

        Quote: Svarog
        Are they completely awake now? Or will they start working under the law?

        Preferably by law.
      4. paul3390
        paul3390 4 July 2020 19: 44 New
        +8
        By law, they cut ...
        1. Clear
          Clear 4 July 2020 19: 57 New
          -12
          Quote: paul3390
          By law, they cut ...

          This should be monitored by prosecutors.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 5 July 2020 08: 11 New
            +5
            Quote: Clear
            This should be monitored by prosecutors.

            Who exactly? This:

            And the former prosecutor, Mr. Chaika, in the post-retirement age, for what purpose was sent:
            January 21, 2020 Russian President Vladimir Putin proposed to Yuri Chaika the post of Plenipotentiary Representative of the President of the Russian Federation in the North Caucasus Federal District

            To enjoy equal constitutional rights for all? wassat
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 5 July 2020 10: 04 New
            +2
            Quote: Clear
            This should be monitored by prosecutors.

            these?
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 4 July 2020 23: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: paul3390
          By law, they cut ...

          In the USA, blacks are strangled with their knees and shot with pistols in the absence of a reason, but the ECHR is not aware of it, they live like that. The whole world is also being called upon to follow their example. Here, one might say, the horse wasn’t lying around yet, but they’re already catching us terribly, saying that everyone has chaos the prisoner those. knock citizen. Where is it written that the patient can not appeal to the ECHR? Nowhere. Will a court decision be valid? It will, if it does not contradict our legislation and the Constitution. It’s just that in practice, the ECHR has accumulated quite a few “shoals”, when the decision was not made objectively and was openly politicized and at the same time was binding. Now the "cutlets and flies" will be separate from each other. Well, the fact that some representatives of law enforcement agencies sometimes "greyhound" and exceed their powers, this is in any country, and we, alas, are no exception. For this it is necessary to punish mercilessly.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 5 July 2020 08: 21 New
            +2
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            "In the hut" ... "endured"

            And our guarantor is also a fan of inserting words from St. Petersburg jargon to seem closer to the people. laughing
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            In the USA, blacks are strangled with their knees and shot with pistols in the absence of a reason, but the ECHR is not aware of it, they live like that.

            What is the use of talking about the ECHR when the constitution is amended:
            Decisions of interstate bodies adopted on the basis of the provisions of international treaties of the Russian Federation in their interpretation, contrary to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, not enforceable in the Russian Federation.

            Quote: Nyrobsky
            representatives of law enforcement agencies sometimes "greyhound" and exceed their powers, then this is in any country, and we, alas, are no exception. For this it is necessary to punish mercilessly ...

            good
            ... and not transfer them from chair to chair.
          2. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 16: 39 New
            0
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            For this it is necessary to punish mercilessly.

            When I hear the word “necessary,” it usually means that nobody needs a fuck. laughing
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 5 July 2020 22: 16 New
              +2
              That’s why it’s necessary because until now no one has needed it.
      5. cniza
        cniza 4 July 2020 21: 09 New
        -24
        Quote: Svarog
        Golovan, in more detail about officials, judges, police? Are they completely awake now? Or will they start working under the law?


        You’re funny, you’re all looking for problems for our country, maybe you would try to work?
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 4 July 2020 21: 31 New
          -23
          So they work. Grants work out.
          1. cniza
            cniza 5 July 2020 08: 23 New
            0
            And the number of minuses is easy to determine. yes
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 4 July 2020 22: 01 New
          +9
          Quote: cniza
          Funny you are rolled

          Navalny doesn’t promote communist ideas! wink
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 4 July 2020 22: 09 New
            -11
            It would be better if he pushed communist ideas, with all my disrespect for this party. If the communists are constructive, although they drag us into the past, then Navalny is more destructive than completely.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 4 July 2020 22: 14 New
              13
              I agree with the assessment of his goals, but this does not negate the veracity of the facts he cites about corruption in the upper echelons of power.
              P.S. Svarog (Vladimir) is by no means a supporter of Navalny, just like I did.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 4 July 2020 22: 23 New
                -9
                Truthfulness? It is either custom-made, or it is an attempt to push the snout to the trough. Let's remember Boris Yeltsin. He also drove out to painfully similar slogans and revelations. Honestly, from this company, Gudkov is more or less constructive, but not Navalny in any way.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 4 July 2020 23: 10 New
                  +1
                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  Let's remember Boris Yeltsin. He also drove out to painfully similar slogans and revelations.

                  The next time I expose, I always get a sense of deja vu and remember adolescence.
                2. Essex62
                  Essex62 5 July 2020 01: 54 New
                  +9
                  An interesting compote, but what for Ivanov ebn became objectionable? He, like yours, actively moved the counter-revolution, drove armor, with muddy carriages, to the Supreme Soviet, urged the receiver again that he had inflated wild capitalism in Russia to unacceptable chapels not compatible with normal life.
            2. Dmitry10SPb
              Dmitry10SPb 5 July 2020 02: 14 New
              +1
              Why is it destructive? It aims to make Russia an ordinary European country such as Spain, Italy or France. Fine, cho. There is something and why work. In my opinion, destructiveness in trying to oppose the EU and the US, without the resources and allies. A kind of imitation of opposition. I would believe in it if in the new amendments on the restrictions of our officials found the word “property” in the West. Not found. Property is allowed there.
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 5 July 2020 03: 33 New
                +5
                Quote: Dmitry10SPb
                Property is allowed there.

                And there was no talk about the ban ..... Here I have a castle in Nice. I need to contain it, so it will be SCORE abroad and on vacation I'll fly there, so there will be PASSPORT ! So this is an amendment to avert eyes. It’s good that I don’t have all this, my head doesn’t hurt on this subject! hi
          2. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 5 July 2020 00: 12 New
            -1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: cniza
            Funny you are rolled

            Navalny doesn’t promote communist ideas! wink

            There are no communist ones, however, like others. He doesn’t need ideas, but he needs a mess during which it will be possible to rush Russia as a subject of international law, resetting it as a geopolitical and geographical concept. Then it will be the same as Mishka Mechny, from London or from Berlin, to grieve over their lost homeland.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 5 July 2020 02: 01 New
              -4
              Torn off. This is not possible in principle. And in general, if there had been a real threat for a long time, the bunks were polished. Barking and let yourself. It seems like there is an opposition in the country. I know one more such thing, they aren’t the whole party, here they are, it’s like they are promoting ideas, communist. And the aligarch themselves are dragged to the throne of the Kremlin, guzzled from the belly, ride on their zubugs. Felix Edmundovich would not approve.
        3. Stas157
          Stas157 4 July 2020 22: 51 New
          +8
          Quote: cniza
          Funny you heaped

          What are you talking about?
          Confusionists are already packed under every bush and liberals seem to be! Understand for a start with your main liberal before throwing stones at people.

          Quote: cniza
          would try to work?

          So go work. What are you hanging around on the forum for days and teach people? Looks ugly anyway! Although for the confused, this is a normal situation - to blame for nagging and consider everyone unemployed.
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 4 July 2020 23: 56 New
            +7
            Quote: Stas157
            Quote: cniza
            Funny you heaped

            What are you talking about?
            Confusionists are already packed under every bush and liberals seem to be! Understand for a start with your main liberal before throwing stones at people.

            Quote: cniza
            would try to work?

            So go work. What are you hanging around on the forum for days and teach people? Looks ugly anyway! Although for the confused, this is a normal situation - to blame for nagging and consider everyone unemployed.

            They’re here at work, they probably get sn, scribbling posts like a real typist - they settled down in life laughing they are fine))) something with copying is not right - my post refers to the phrase Although for the confused, this is a normal situation - to blame for nagging and consider everyone unemployed.
        4. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 16: 42 New
          -1
          How are you? Not much money? And then, God forbid, if something happens, Russia will die without you.
    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta 4 July 2020 19: 11 New
      +9
      They do not influence in any way, only the people themselves can influence their fate!
      1. Finches
        Finches 4 July 2020 19: 16 New
        -13
        Right! Judging by the figures of the plebiscite, her people decided laughing
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 4 July 2020 19: 24 New
          15
          Quote: Finches
          Right! Judging by the figures of the plebiscite, her people decided

          Take a calculator and count. about 50% of 110 million voted “for”, and that’s with all the tricks, stretches, braces and other things, respectively, even according to official data “against”, also almost half of the registered voters.
          so you shouldn’t speak for all the people.
          Threat. Personally, I do not recognize this whole circus with horses initially. And since I flush with cheaters, then I can’t lose to them. hi
          1. Region68
            Region68 4 July 2020 19: 38 New
            -12
            However, you still lost
            1. New
              New Year day 4 July 2020 20: 44 New
              10
              Quote: Region68
              However, you still lost

              How can you win against cheaters?
              1. cniza
                cniza 4 July 2020 21: 15 New
                -18
                Lord, why are you all groaning, who are the cheaters of the people or are you trying to vote on his behalf?
                1. Region68
                  Region68 4 July 2020 21: 21 New
                  +3
                  Yes, we are not talking about this .. We are glad that soon as Asians and Africans will vote .. Unanimously almost for ..
                  Beauty will be, right?
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 4 July 2020 22: 40 New
                    -3
                    You wanted to say: as citizens of the USSR? 99,9 percent approval?
                    1. Region68
                      Region68 5 July 2020 06: 59 New
                      -3
                      Or as citizens of the USSR, yes .. Which led to what happened
                  2. Was mammoth
                    Was mammoth 4 July 2020 22: 46 New
                    +9
                    Quote: Region68
                    We rejoice that soon, Asians and Africans will vote.

                    "Russia needs an influx of migrants, said President Vladimir Putin." wink
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 4 July 2020 23: 21 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Was Mammoth
                      Russia needs an influx of migrants, said President Vladimir Putin.

                      Instead of correcting the demographic catastrophe, the king decided to replace the indigenous population with migrants. Strange ... like he really didn’t want like in France!

                      He’s all about it - at first he convinces everyone that you can’t raise the retirement age, redo the Constitution for yourself, go beyond the term of the presidency ... but do the opposite.
                  3. codetalker
                    codetalker 5 July 2020 00: 15 New
                    -5
                    Does someone make you vote in one way or another? Vote as you want ...
                    1. Region68
                      Region68 5 July 2020 07: 01 New
                      +4
                      As you want, it will not work .. When it is stretched out for a week and scattered on stumps and benches, it turns out as the authorities want .. I don’t want to draw
                      1. codetalker
                        codetalker 5 July 2020 09: 51 New
                        -7
                        Personally, no one will force you to vote in a different way than you want. There are questions about the procedure, you can go to the observers ...
                        And where was the vote on stumps and benches? Fakes that immediately debunked, no need to bring.
                      2. Region68
                        Region68 5 July 2020 10: 32 New
                        -1
                        I personally observed .. It’s not any fakes .. Went in our village in the yards
                      3. codetalker
                        codetalker 5 July 2020 14: 17 New
                        -1
                        This is called home voting. It was before.
                      4. Fan-fan
                        Fan-fan 5 July 2020 20: 16 New
                        -1
                        On YouTube there is a video of how crosses were placed on stumps and in the trunk of a car. Is this at home? There are no hemp houses and luggage racks.
                  4. KERMET
                    KERMET 5 July 2020 11: 35 New
                    -1
                    My wife and child went straight to the sandbox with a proposal to vote for those who have a passport with them, naturally, no one found passports in the sandbox fool
                  5. codetalker
                    codetalker 5 July 2020 14: 19 New
                    -1
                    I understand correctly that your relatives sent these idiots culturally? Have any sanctions been applied to your family?
                  6. KERMET
                    KERMET 5 July 2020 21: 06 New
                    -2
                    And where exactly are the rules for such a "popular vote" spelled out? There is no such concept in the law, so you can carry out such as you like anywhere
      2. New
        New Year day 4 July 2020 23: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: cniza
        Lord, why are you all groaning, who are the cheaters of the people or are you trying to vote on his behalf?

        are you talking to yourself? Who is voting? An alternative opinion from yours and no more.
        Your vote is a futile procedure that does not solve anything. Count the chickens in the fall, and count
        1. cniza
          cniza 5 July 2020 08: 28 New
          +2
          I didn’t specifically mean you, but your colleagues, you read their comments ...
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 16: 44 New
        -1
        Well, do not you speak on behalf of the people? Nothing unites you with him at all.
    3. Region68
      Region68 4 July 2020 21: 18 New
      -3
      So I thought so .. And also did not vote ..
      But as they say on another topic, the most beautiful score on the scoreboard
    4. lopvlad
      lopvlad 4 July 2020 23: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Silvestr
      How can you win against cheaters?


      go vote FOR and then watch how the cheats of the entire Internet atagi fight to the point of frenzy in hysteria.
      Well, we won’t go to demolish the power of Russia for the sake of and to the delight of the State Department.
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  • Finches
    Finches 4 July 2020 19: 59 New
    -12
    The fact that you do not recognize this, of course, substantially undermines the legitimacy of the referendum, but the fact remains that the majority of those participating answered “FOR”. After voting at our university, a pro-American professor tearing the last hair on his chest screaming about violating democracy ... When I reminded him that, for example, in the light of democracy, his beloved USA, observers are generally not allowed to polling stations, and the loser Trump became president because of an opaque system with electors, and more than 25 amendments were made to their Constitution and they were accepted at the Senate level, but not citizens ... He looked at me with bewilderment, and when I reminded him that in the USSR there were already three constitutions and this is quite normal for anyone who wants to develop and does not stand still in society, he screeched out on the sidelines! laughing
    So, it’s not bad that there are others who disagree like you, it’s good for Russia that you are a minority! hi
    1. WIKI
      WIKI 4 July 2020 21: 21 New
      15
      Quote: Finches
      The fact that you do not recognize it, of course, significantly undermines the legitimacy of the referendum

      Let's define in terms. If this is a referendum, then by law only a constitutional meeting can appoint it, which we do not have. By law, amendments must be adopted individually, not in bulk. With the referendum, it’s you who got excited.
      1. Finches
        Finches 4 July 2020 21: 35 New
        -13
        So why spend the money ... I really liked it - yes, no! I hate to smear snot on the countertop ... laughing
        1. WIKI
          WIKI 4 July 2020 21: 38 New
          10
          Clear. For the sake of saving money, you agree to continue to vote for lawlessness.
          1. Finches
            Finches 4 July 2020 22: 39 New
            -5
            You, absolutely peremptorily, think that lawlessness, but I see, perhaps also peremptorily, that this is for the good ... So everything is fine - democracy! About which dissidents and all "progressive" mankind have been talking for so long! laughing What do you, dear, do not like?
      2. codetalker
        codetalker 5 July 2020 00: 20 New
        0
        No, it was an all-Russian vote.
        1. aglet
          aglet 5 July 2020 08: 28 New
          +2
          "No, it was an all-Russian vote"
          if you use the terms of the present tense, it was self-voting- non-decisive and non-binding
          1. codetalker
            codetalker 5 July 2020 09: 54 New
            -1
            This is where you found the term tacos?
            1. aglet
              aglet 6 July 2020 10: 35 New
              -3
              and where Putin discovered self-isolation
      3. lopvlad
        lopvlad 5 July 2020 06: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: WIKI
        Let's define in terms


        well, let's decide. What do you call a “constitutional meeting” is going to when a completely new constitution is being written and not when amendments are being made to the existing one (for example, when no amendment was made to the Constitution on the Central Bank at the beginning of the Constitution and the people did not ask).
        By law, amendments must be adopted individually, not in bulk.

        show the text of the Russian law in which it is indicated.
        1. WIKI
          WIKI 5 July 2020 11: 31 New
          -2
          Quote: lopvlad
          Well, let's decide.

          Let's. CHAPTER 9.
          CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS AND REVISION OF THE CONSTITUTION

          Article 134

          Proposals for amendments and revision of the provisions of the Constitution of the Russian Federation may be made by the President of the Russian Federation, the Council of the Federation, the State Duma, the Government of the Russian Federation, legislative (representative) bodies of the subjects of the Russian Federation, and a group of at least one-fifth of the members of the Council of the Federation or deputies of the State Duma.

          Article 135

          1. The provisions of the chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation cannot be revised by the Federal Assembly.
          2. If the proposal to revise the provisions of chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation will be supported by three-fifths of the total number of members of the Federation Council and State Duma deputies, the Constitutional Assembly is convened in accordance with federal constitutional law.
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad 5 July 2020 16: 33 New
            -1
            Quote: WIKI
            Article 134


            Well, in it we learn that amendments to the current Constitution of Russia can be made without collecting the Constitutional Assembly. The requirements set forth in the article were met.

            Quote: WIKI
            Article 135


            and here we look at the main provisions of chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and whether they were revised in a referendum.

            "Article 1

            1. The Russian Federation - Russia is a democratic federal state with a republican form of government.

            2. The names of the Russian Federation and Russia are equivalent.

            Article 2

            Man, his rights and freedoms are the highest value. Recognition, observance and protection of human and citizen's rights and freedoms is the duty of the state.

            Article 9

            1. Land and other natural resources are used and protected in the Russian Federation as the basis of the life and activities of the peoples living in the relevant territory.

            2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership. "

            And again a miracle. Since the main provisions of chapters 1,2,9 have not been revised, the Constitutional Assembly can not be assembled to amend the 1993 Constitution.
            1. WIKI
              WIKI 5 July 2020 17: 21 New
              -2
              What does this have to do with Articles 1 and 2. We are considering Article 9.
              [bIf the proposal to revise the provisions of chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation is supported by three fifths of the total number of members of the Council of the Federation and deputies of the State Duma, the Constitutional Assembly shall be convened in accordance with federal constitutional law.] [/ b]
              Can you read?
              1. lopvlad
                lopvlad 5 July 2020 18: 16 New
                -1
                Quote: WIKI
                We are considering article 9.


                well, consider chapter 9 in the old and new Constitution in detail

                1993 Constitution

                Chapter 9. Constitutional amendments and revisions of the Constitution

                Article 134

                Proposals for amendments and revision of the provisions of the Constitution of the Russian Federation may be made by the President of the Russian Federation, the Council of the Federation, the State Duma, the Government of the Russian Federation, legislative (representative) bodies of the subjects of the Russian Federation, and a group of at least one-fifth of the members of the Council of the Federation or deputies of the State Duma.

                Article 135

                1. The provisions of the chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation cannot be revised by the Federal Assembly.

                2. If the proposal to revise the provisions of chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation will be supported by three-fifths of the total number of members of the Federation Council and State Duma deputies, the Constitutional Assembly is convened in accordance with federal constitutional law.

                3. The Constitutional Assembly either confirms the immutability of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, or develops a draft new Constitution of the Russian Federation, which is adopted by the Constitutional Assembly by two-thirds of the votes of the total number of its members or is put to the popular vote. When conducting a popular vote, the Constitution of the Russian Federation is considered adopted if more than half of the voters who participated in the vote voted for it, provided that more than half of the voters participated in it.

                Article 136

                Amendments to chapters 3 to 8 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation are adopted in the manner prescribed for the adoption of the federal constitutional law, and come into force after their approval by the legislative authorities of at least two-thirds of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation.


                Article 137

                1. Amendments to Article 65 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, determining the composition of the Russian Federation, are made on the basis of the federal constitutional law on the admission to the Russian Federation and the formation of a new constituent entity of the Russian Federation, on the change in the constitutional and legal status of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation.

                2. In the event of a change in the name of a republic, territory, region, city of federal significance, autonomous region, autonomous region, the new name of the subject of the Russian Federation shall be included in article 65 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.


                Constitution 2020

                Chapter 9. Constitutional amendments and constitutional review

                Article 134

                Proposals for amendments and revision of the provisions of the Constitution of the Russian Federation may be made by the President of the Russian Federation, the Council of the Federation, the State Duma, the Government of the Russian Federation, legislative (representative) bodies of the subjects of the Russian Federation, and a group of at least one-fifth of the members of the Council of the Federation or deputies of the State Duma.

                Article 135

                1. The provisions of the chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation cannot be revised by the Federal Assembly.

                2. If the proposal to revise the provisions of chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation will be supported by three-fifths of the total number of members of the Federation Council and State Duma deputies, the Constitutional Assembly is convened in accordance with federal constitutional law.

                3. The Constitutional Assembly either confirms the immutability of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, or develops a draft new Constitution of the Russian Federation, which is adopted by the Constitutional Assembly by two-thirds of the votes of the total number of its members or is put to the popular vote. When conducting a popular vote, the Constitution of the Russian Federation is considered adopted if more than half of the voters who participated in the vote voted for it, provided that more than half of the voters participated in it.

                Article 136

                Amendments to chapters 3-8 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation are adopted in the manner prescribed for the adoption of the federal constitutional law, and enter into force after their approval by the legislative authorities of at least two-thirds of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation.

                Article 137

                1. Amendments to Article 65 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, determining the composition of the Russian Federation, are made on the basis of the federal constitutional law on the admission to the Russian Federation and the formation of a new constituent entity of the Russian Federation, on the change in the constitutional and legal status of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation.

                2. In the event of a change in the name of a republic, territory, region, city of federal significance, autonomous region, autonomous region, the new name of the subject of the Russian Federation shall be included in article 65 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.


                and as you can see, amendments to it were not introduced, and since the provisions of chapters 1.2 and chapter 9 discussed above did not change, it is unnecessary to collect the Constitutional Assembly for amendments to the Constitution.
    2. Region68
      Region68 4 July 2020 21: 22 New
      -2
      And how did the USSR develop in the end, do not remind?
      1. Finches
        Finches 4 July 2020 21: 36 New
        -16
        But because of those who are always dissatisfied with everything and fell apart ... They sold themselves and sold the country!
        1. tatra
          tatra 4 July 2020 21: 46 New
          13
          Forever dissatisfied with everything in the USSR, they seized the USSR and divided it among themselves, and for 30 years they have carried a cowardly delirium that the USSR fell apart by itself, and seized the republics of the USSR seized by them with a death grip.
          1. Region68
            Region68 4 July 2020 21: 55 New
            -2
            That’s because our people are so bad. Dissatisfied were that I had to go to Moscow for a sausage and a newspaper True to wipe my ass .. The ungrateful bastards
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 4 July 2020 22: 41 New
            -6
            So forever dissatisfied with everything and in Russia thrive. Don't you see any analogies?
          3. lopvlad
            lopvlad 5 July 2020 06: 44 New
            +4
            Quote: tatra
            Forever dissatisfied with everything in the USSR captured the USSR and divided it between


            and most importantly, all communists and Komsomol leaders shared everything among themselves.
        2. Region68
          Region68 4 July 2020 21: 49 New
          +3
          Well, this of course, because of me .. And not because the three general secretaries went to another world in three years ...
          Surprisingly, only with such management and development of the country .. And here I am
          1. Finches
            Finches 4 July 2020 22: 43 New
            -3
            That is why it is not necessary to repeat the mistakes of the late USSR, constantly changing the steering — the far-fetched “best” tomorrow, the enemy of the “today's” good! laughing
            1. New
              New Year day 4 July 2020 23: 11 New
              +3
              Quote: Finches
              That is why it is not necessary to repeat the mistakes of the late USSR, constantly changing the steering — the far-fetched “best” tomorrow, the enemy of the “today's” good!

              therefore, after the funeral of Brezhnev, Chernenko, Andropov received Gorbachev. And after Putin we get Kudrin? laughing Or maybe Zolotova? laughing Well, what are not suitable figures and you feel good - stability
              1. Finches
                Finches 4 July 2020 23: 13 New
                -6
                No need to compare God's gift with fried eggs!
              2. New
                New Year day 4 July 2020 23: 30 New
                +2
                Quote: Finches
                No need to compare God's gift with fried eggs!

                and where is God's gift, and where is the fried egg? Are you a culinary specialist?
                Your message was this
                Quote: Finches
                That is why it is not necessary to repeat the mistakes of the late USSR, constantly changing the helmsman - a far-fetched “best” tomorrow, the enemy of “today's” good

                find the difference
            2. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 4 July 2020 23: 17 New
              -4
              If after Putin we get Navalny or someone else from his party, will you feel better? Just do not need about Platoshkin / Grudinin, nobody will let them drive. Behind them there is neither a cohesive party, nor solid financial support.
            3. New
              New Year day 4 July 2020 23: 31 New
              -1
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              If after Putin we get Navalny or someone else from his party, you’ll better

              Are you pretending or naive? Which Bulk? Kremlin project vs Kremlin?
            4. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 5 July 2020 00: 40 New
              -1
              So you acknowledge that all his disclosures are farce?
            5. Overlock
              Overlock 5 July 2020 10: 22 New
              +3
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              So you acknowledge that all his disclosures are farce?

              not a farce, but a fight in serpentaria, which crawled out. Kremlin towers look at what's happening differently
            6. New
              New Year day 5 July 2020 17: 36 New
              -1
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              So you acknowledge that all his disclosures are farce?

              as the court of Sechin-Ulyukaev. He is a viper
        3. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 5 July 2020 00: 03 New
          -1
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          If after Putin we get Navalny or someone else from his party, will you feel better? Just do not need about Platoshkin / Grudinin, nobody will let them drive. Behind them there is neither a cohesive party, nor solid financial support.

          But just after Putin’s funeral (God grant him health and long life !!! drinks ) we will get the President of Navalny - for there are no others ... we cleaned everyone up to the root ... wassat tongue
        4. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 5 July 2020 00: 38 New
          0
          So there will be a successor. Exactly as unexpected as Putin.
        5. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 5 July 2020 00: 46 New
          -5
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          So there will be a successor. Exactly as unexpected as Putin.

          Are you softly reminding me of a joke from the time of the USSR? laughing

          Editorial in Izvestia: "Central Committee of the Communist
          Party of the Soviet Union, Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR and the Council
          USSR ministers with deep sorrow reports that yesterday, in the 76th year
          life, after a serious long illness, without regaining consciousness,
          General Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU Leonid Ilyich resumed work
          Brezhnev "
        6. telobezumnoe
          telobezumnoe 5 July 2020 01: 29 New
          +1
          whom the media will advertise that will be .. that’s the whole point of democracy, and far from the fact that this actor will really make a decision
        7. Overlock
          Overlock 5 July 2020 10: 23 New
          -2
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Exactly as unexpected as Putin.

          Will he be just as smart or a liar?
        8. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 5 July 2020 10: 34 New
          -4
          Show me the politician who fulfilled all his campaign promises? Is that Hitler and then with a big stretch.
    3. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 08: 57 New
      -5
      That would be at least once to hear the name of these mysterious "all."
      Who are they, these titans of political and economic thought, which of course were strangled by the regime?
    4. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 5 July 2020 10: 36 New
      -2
      Khodorkovsky, for example. Choked on his bloody regime.
  • Fan-fan
    Fan-fan 5 July 2020 20: 26 New
    -1
    And it was very interesting to me to see how Bulk Presidency would become. It would not affect us, the common people, much, but thieves-officials would definitely have a universal commotion.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 5 July 2020 06: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Silvestr
    therefore, after the funeral of Brezhnev, Chernenko, Andropov received Gorbachev.


    just as you were afraid of the gerontocracy, you wanted a young and a new face, and the result of all this is that this new face has destroyed the world empire and blood is still pouring in the form of the consequences of this.
    Don't like stability? Well, there is a 404 state nearby, in which stability is not expected, and therefore you have a unique chance to get there.
  • Region68
    Region68 5 July 2020 07: 20 New
    +4
    But it was necessary to make a mummy from Brezhnev and tie a rope to his hand so that he would like to sign the documents and still consider him to be his head, yes?
    Problems began long before Gorbachev, and if they were resolved on time, then there would be no Gorbachev ..
  • Region68
    Region68 5 July 2020 07: 35 New
    +3
    By the way, have you thought about how one person can ruin an entire country?
    Where was the party, the KGB, the army?
  • Overlock
    Overlock 5 July 2020 10: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: Region68
    Where was the party, the KGB, the army?

    fit into new conditions
  • Region68
    Region68 5 July 2020 10: 30 New
    0
    Well, what new conditions are there in 85-87 ..
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 16: 52 New
    0
    But you, however, are completely insolent liars market opportunists. Now your gerontocracy is bad, now it's suddenly good. I don’t understand, of course, that you are lying on the basis of your own benefit, but you darned condoms lately have been tired of your dumb, cheeky lie.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 16: 47 New
    -1
    Quote: Finches
    the majority of those participating answered “FOR”.

    Most, unfortunately, understands the question from the word - nothing.
  • YOUR
    YOUR 6 July 2020 08: 48 New
    -1
    I went to the vote at 8 o’clock in the evening, while they were looking for the name of the list, they were leafing through, if 30 percent came to vote, then this is just fine. People do not believe in the honesty of vote counts and do not go. They think it will be the same anyway as they said from the TV screen.
    1. Finches
      Finches 6 July 2020 09: 01 New
      +2
      Different data may have different data - in my family of 3 people, 2 took part in the vote - so even with the example of one cell of society per person 70% laughing
  • codetalker
    codetalker 4 July 2020 20: 27 New
    -14
    “For” not about 50%, but more. This is the total number of voters. But seriously, the vast majority of Russian citizens who care about the future of their country.
    1. tatra
      tatra 4 July 2020 20: 53 New
      +5
      What, because of one percent will argue? There are 110 million voters in Russia, and about 2 million Russian voters abroad. And Putin, with all the stuffing, falsifications, the drive of state employees, was cast by 57 million votes. And do not need hypocrisy, it was a change in the Constitution specifically for Putin.
      1. codetalker
        codetalker 4 July 2020 22: 20 New
        -3
        You can bring at least one stuffing or falsification. Only, for God's sake, not the photoshop picture with the piles of ballots, it was disassembled on the bones on election day.
        I am a state employee. Never in my life has anyone driven me anywhere. And if they tried it, it wouldn’t work out.
        Concluding the topic of the veracity of the results, it is worth recalling the “vote” on amendments to the VO. Voting announced, but no results. Probably forgot ... And the results are very interesting. This myth is immediately smashed: "with whomever I talked, everyone voted against."
        And do not need hypocrisy, it was a change in the Constitution specifically for Putin.

        This is solely your opinion, which does not find confirmation in practice.
        1. Thunderbringer
          Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 09: 04 New
          -2
          Judging by the minuses to you, here again the sect of fighters with the regime is raging.
          Woke up from a grand blow to the greasy opposition lips.
          Expectedly, their struggle continues.
          And at first on the first day there was confusion and vacillation. But apparently the curators worked, pulled up fresh manuals, and the work began to boil.
          Only now the effect is not the same.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 5 July 2020 10: 37 New
            0
            Late to drink Borjomi.
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 16: 54 New
          -1
          Quote: codetalker
          I am a state employee.

          Well, at least not the officer’s daughter. Although the rhetoric is very similar.
        3. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 5 July 2020 20: 31 New
          -2
          I saw on YouTube how, in the nursing home, an old grandmother, who was no longer able to sit, was persuaded and shown where to put the cross.
      2. Finches
        Finches 4 July 2020 22: 35 New
        -7
        Personally, I went for the sake of zeroing - if there hadn't been this amendment - I would not have gone! And now I get great pleasure seeing how raging national traitors, Anglo-Saxons and ... Ukrainians! laughing
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 4 July 2020 22: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: Finches
          Personally, I went for the sake of zeroing - if there hadn't been this amendment - I would not have gone!

          You said that your wife ordered you to go because of her, because she is a bureaucrat and she was also ordered to bring household members, otherwise they’ll dismiss them, deprive them of pensions and benefits, take advantage of mortgages and take away a credit “logan”.
          Therefore, you are afraid of Colonel Shendakova, and then we just have nothing to fear from the Gapadin Colonel!
          1. Finches
            Finches 4 July 2020 22: 52 New
            -2
            Well, for example, I said a little differently - no need to juggle! I wrote that my wife invited me to go with her, to conduct ..., that is, this is a slightly different story - so I voted for the company, but I ticked the box opposite "YES" precisely because of the reset. This will not affect my life in any way, for it is already starting to give pleasure due to the screeching of those who disagree! laughing
            1. New
              New Year day 4 July 2020 23: 13 New
              -1
              Quote: Finches
              It will not affect my life

              will affect, you can not even guess. Let's start with the ruble exchange rate, then the decline in production, etc. How is your well-being in these conditions?
              1. Finches
                Finches 4 July 2020 23: 16 New
                +3
                The whole world lives in the conditions of the economic crisis, and Russia is also in the conditions of total sanctions, but so far I have not particularly watched those dying of hunger!
              2. New
                New Year day 4 July 2020 23: 33 New
                +7
                Quote: Finches
                but I don’t especially watch those dying of hunger!

                you are St. Petersburg. Take a trip to the Pskov region, for example, with. Shalakhovo Pustoshkinsky district and talk with the locals, look at the closed school, meet with the employees - ask about his salary. Just a hundred or two km
              3. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 5 July 2020 00: 44 New
                0
                I won’t say anything for Pskov, because I don’t know. We have a general practitioner, a village doctor, receives 46 rubles, plus a state-owned car under the seat, plus a quiet veterinarian. Also a hundred different from Peter. My friend, why should he lie?
              4. Malyuta
                Malyuta 5 July 2020 00: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                We have a general practitioner, a village doctor, receiving 46 rubles, plus a state-owned car under the seat, plus a quiet veterinarian. Also a hundred different from Peter. My friend, why should he lie?

                Well, you merged with the sidekick !!! Tell us together what a Putin general practitioner is!
              5. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 5 July 2020 01: 08 New
                +1
                I tell you: instead of the feldsher-midwife station, the "Office of the General Practitioner" was organized. That is, instead of a specialist with secondary medical care, a doctor, a specialist with higher education, plus a nurse to help him. The doctor was assigned a company car for emergency care in villages and for patient delivery to the central hospital if necessary. Hope the information is comprehensive?
          2. your1970
            your1970 5 July 2020 01: 55 New
            -2
            Quote: Silvestr
            meet fershalom- ask about his salary.

            Not a single NORMAL paramedic in the village will ever remain hungry ..... If he is a normal paramedic ....
            And if the exiled, then yes, he will sit on a bare salary and buy eggs in a magnet in a district center ...

            Found on whom the doctor refers in the village. .. You would remember about the salary of a veterinarian in the village., Yeah .....
            This is not a city for you .....
          3. Malyuta
            Malyuta 5 July 2020 02: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            Not a single NORMAL paramedic in the village will ever remain hungry ..... If he is a normal paramedic ....

            Are you in your mind? What are you talking about? That is, the village for you, these are people of the second or third grade? Grandmother owes you “chickens” - “eggs”, pah, damn it, completely putinoids are fucked up !!!
            The country is really sick of Putinism! And you will definitely become!
          4. Thunderbringer
            Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 09: 13 New
            0
            Ugh, surely a sectarian.
            You need at least a count on your head.
            All, late, your rattle wings no longer acts.
          5. Vadim237
            Vadim237 5 July 2020 10: 03 New
            -5
            By 2100, there will not be a single village in Russia - the entire population will live in urban settlements of small medium and large cities, the process of urbanization will never be stopped - and there will be nothing to do in the villages.
          6. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 5 July 2020 10: 40 New
            0
            And if not a grandmother, but a pig farmer? And if the summer residents with their pussy dogs? In your mind, moved by the fight against the bloody regime, this did not come?
          7. your1970
            your1970 5 July 2020 14: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: Malyuta
            Grandma owes you "chickens" - "eggs", pah, damn it, completely putinoids fucked up !!!

            word "must" cross out and remember, someone’s brandy and flowers with chocolates for doctors in the cities of the city to the doctors ??? there is such a word (very badly slandered unfortunately !!!) - "Thanks !!" ....
            И good grandma’s doctor’s testicles will be brought from Thanks for the help - It was, is and will always be while people live in the village ....
            I’ll even say more if even this rural doctor has a salary of 100 - grandmothers will bring it anyway if he is a good doctor. And this is not a bribe, not corruption - it is a gift from the heart ..
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 5 July 2020 07: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Silvestr
    Let's start with the ruble exchange rate


    judging by your inventions, the ruble exchange rate was only due to the fact that the 1993 constitution was in force for years without amendments. Only the reality does not confirm this. We all remember the percentage of inflation in the blessed 90s when the very “democratic” Constitution of 1993 was in force. When price tags for goods in stores they corresponded many times a day, but at the same time we remember how much the dollar exchange rate rose in 1998, in January 1 dollar was worth 5,9600 rubles and by the end of the year the dollar was worth 20,9900 rubles. As we see the "holy" Constitution of 1993 did not helped.
    And your scarecrow at a rate of 100 rubles is like a crumbling elephant for us.
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 5 July 2020 01: 51 New
    -4
    Quote: Finches
    Well, for example, I said a little differently - no need to juggle! I wrote that my wife invited me to go out with her ..

    Here you are.
    and you’re still a staff Putinist, it’s for you from us from the Communists
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 5 July 2020 07: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: Malyuta
      this is for you from us from the communists


      you flatter yourself, for those that in the video of modern communists would instantly be put against the wall and shot without delay and without any doubt.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 17: 02 New
      -3
      It's funny when a person who defends the system that generated fascism speaks on behalf of the Communists. They would have slapped you first and the unfinished fascist for the cause.
    3. your1970
      your1970 5 July 2020 18: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: lopvlad
      Quote: Malyuta
      this is for you from us from the communists


      you flatter yourself, for those that in the video of modern communists would instantly be put against the wall and shot without delay and without any doubt.
      -Yes, there’s not even a drop of doubt .. Those who are on the Communists have the same attitude - like me to the state of Michigan or to the space program ...
  • Thunderbringer
    Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 09: 17 New
    -4
    From what? Drawn in a movie and newspaper Really?
    In this you are, all your essence.
    Template communists differ from template Putinists only in that the former have a template drawn by propagandists half a century ago, while the latter can go out and see.
    If everyone is piled on and there are at least 10 percent of Yabloko, then your cardboard in general, taking into account the stat. inaccuracies.
    Why do you think so? Also the wrong people?
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 17: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: Thunderbringer
    Also the wrong people?

    Do you have one? And exactly the people? And whose cow would moo. Sami forever whining that for 70 years the people were not the same. Or tell tales how a country lived for 70 years in defiance. Pure schizophrenia. They whistle about legal succession from the USSR and block the Mausoleum at the Victory Parade, talk about the need for monuments to the Reds and hang signs on the mannerheim.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 16: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: Finches
    And now I get great pleasure seeing the national traitors, the Anglo-Saxons and ... Ukrainians rage about!

    So you are the national traitor, Anglo-Saxon and Ukrainian after you voted - in favor. Well, or just not very smart person. laughing
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 4 July 2020 23: 28 New
    0
    Quote: tatra
    And do not need hypocrisy, it was a change in the Constitution specifically for Putin.


    Well, not for the sake of Zyuganov, who betrayed us all in 1996, didn’t go?
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 09: 23 New
      -1
      That is precisely not for the sake of the mythical "American freedom", and even more so not for the sake of the myth of the "wonderful USSR".
      No, you don’t think, he was really beautiful, though not everywhere and not for everyone. But what these "communists" tell us is a "seed extract" from the history of the USSR, only good and excellent, milk rivers in the jelly banks. Such a USSR, as they write and say, never existed.
      And they want everyone to break what is for the sake of this.
      It is not surprising that there are so few of them, even fewer than destroyers of other types of countries.
      But the sect is as it is. Spiteful, aggressive, extremely limited in the options for expressing thoughts.
    2. Finches
      Finches 5 July 2020 17: 07 New
      +1
      R2-D2, you're not in Star Wars! Let me, a person of a distant mind, unlike you, but please ask me to contact you ... hi
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 17: 12 New
      0
      Zyuganov which in its pure form is the vile creation of the existing system. And maybe it’s better to change the constitution for the sake of the people? Or you can’t live without a master, is the lackey nature not allowing?
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 4 July 2020 23: 37 New
    -2
    Quote: tatra
    There are 110 million voters in Russia, and about 2 million Russian voters abroad.


    we go to the CEC website and lo and behold, in Russia 108 648 120 voters +1 903 406 voters outside of Russia + 13 106 in Baikonur = 110 564 632 voters in total.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 July 2020 10: 12 New
      -4
      And what bothers you 110 million voters, that is, those who have the right to vote - children under 18 understandably have no right to vote.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 4 July 2020 21: 00 New
    0
    Quote: Malyuta
    Take a calculator and count. about 50% of 110 million voted “for”, and that’s with all the tricks, stretches, braces and other things, respectively, even according to official data “against”, also almost half of the registered voters.

    Recognizing all those who did not come / did not vote, as NO, is also a stretch, as you want.
    Always and everywhere they consider only those who participate, and then they lead the rest as ...... they lead shorter.
    In principle, the current dermocracy, everyone is leading it .... such is la la vie.
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 09: 25 New
      -6
      Well, one must assume that the "then" (read Soviet) democracy was just a model in comparison with the "current" one.
      So what?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 July 2020 10: 45 New
        +1
        For the time being, and then, those who could lead just ran out of them. Then the wizards from the side rolled up!
        If you look closely, the whole history of mankind is an option, who leads whom and how!
  • Terenin
    Terenin 4 July 2020 21: 37 New
    -16
    Quote: Malyuta
    Quote: Finches
    Right! Judging by the figures of the plebiscite, her people decided

    Take a calculator and count. about 50% of 110 million voted “for”, and that’s with all the tricks, stretches, braces and other things, respectively, even according to official data “against”, also almost half of the registered voters.
    so you shouldn’t speak for all the people.
    Threat. Personally, I do not recognize this whole circus with horses initially. And since I flush with cheaters, then I can’t lose to them. hi

    Oh guys hello hi (Malyuta, Sylvester, Goblin, Svarog)
    Well, where else can you come across your group of "politically active", of course, under the Constitution yes
    The guys between us called from winked the State Department and asked, - in what taverns and with whom did you skip the grants issued to you for unconstitutional propaganda in cash?
    But, I did not surrender you no assured that you tirelessly, day and night, beat everyone with your intellect and did not go anywhere, well, if only quickly check with the manuals.
    But, the people in the VO turned out to be politically unprepared, and did not understand what your high intellectual overflows request with graphs, charts, photos ...
    But, you also continue to educate and teach him (the people), in the manner of the United States, true democracy yes
    So what do you owe me? drinks
    1. tatra
      tatra 4 July 2020 21: 50 New
      14
      Oh, the familiar manuals of Putin’s propagandists, whom the authorities have ordered everyone who is against Putin’s imposing on the Russian people as a life ruler, to write in “liberalists, agents of the State Department, hohlotrolls”. This is Putin, we have a "democrat" in all its glory.
    2. RitaNik
      RitaNik 4 July 2020 21: 55 New
      -3
      And your team is glad that a successful gesheft turned up?
    3. Malyuta
      Malyuta 4 July 2020 22: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Terenin
      But, I did not surrender you

      Passed and do not whistle !!! Therefore, the dollar was at 70 and the euro at 80, and it will be at 100 each, as the moonspots said.
      therefore you owe us all!
      1. New
        New Year day 4 July 2020 23: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: Malyuta
        therefore you owe us all!

        What can he produce and give? He sits on the pasture in EP and sings songs. like this young lady.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 5 July 2020 01: 18 New
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          What can he produce and give? He sits on the pasture in EP and sings songs. like this young lady.

          Comrade, these "young ladies" are already shaking skirts from their own lack of commitment negative I propose to abolish all Zaputinians' pensions altogether, after the victory of the proletarian revolution, and force them to WORK ALL before 70 years !!!
          Zy. look at the muskar zashkvar)))))
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 5 July 2020 01: 11 New
        -3
        Yeah, why not immediately 200, just like the ones you rubbed on our ears back in 2014?
    4. Stas157
      Stas157 4 July 2020 23: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Terenin
      called from winked State Department and tried to

      Quote: Terenin
      if only quickly check with training manuals

      The confusion does not change anything in spite of a heavily worn record - around the State Department and manuals.))

      Dying - you'll start again first
      And everything will repeat, as it was in old age:
      The night, the icy ripple of the canal,
      Pharmacy, street, lantern.
    5. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 09: 29 New
      -2
      But, you also continue to educate and teach him (the people), in the manner of the United States, true democracy yes
      So what do you owe me?

      These will not give up.
      The fight continues, shouting as if nothing had happened. Indication of such a received, continue.
      But looking at it is funny, yes.
      With one exception.
      Here in this company at least one state employee got a little too busy. That is, Putin’s power pays him, and he spits in her face for it.
    6. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 17: 16 New
      -1
      Go to school, grand. laughing
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 4 July 2020 23: 05 New
    -4
    Well, honestly admit that they purged. It’s forever with you, then your legs are limping, then your skis do not ride. And then the cheaters appeared. Well yes: something always interferes with bad dancers.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 4 July 2020 23: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      Well, honestly admit that purged.

      The people blew back in 1991. Since then, unchanged. And you seem glad?
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 5 July 2020 01: 13 New
        -1
        I did not blow it in 1991, but much earlier. In 1991, the final chord sounded. And the collapse of the State, which has been collected for centuries, is a tragedy.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 5 July 2020 02: 47 New
          0
          Not Ivanov, you won, what a tragedy for you? Ridge expanders. Businessmen Business in Russian is just a job. From the word slave, why did you suddenly become gentlemen, And who are your servants?
          CCCR purposefully threw down a team of traitors from above, physically or administratively eliminating all the resistance. Remember how many senior workers of the USSR in the late 80s “popped out” or shot themselves from three barrels at the same time. Top-level coup always and everywhere
          Mr. power ends in success. Anytime and anywhere. Because due to confront the state security organs, they carry out specific orders of the leadership. No one said that we are turning socialism off, tomorrow capitalism is advancing in the country. Labeled to the last screaming - more socialism. But when the Office began to consist of some careerists who were close in spirit, then they carried out the operation "the diffusion of vital goods." The main thing in Moscow, and kindled a flower, all according to the precepts of the pit of evil. Do you think you fell Soviet power at the call of the heart? You are mistaken. Standard, though you can’t argue with the grandiose, perfectly staged and conducted Masonic flower blossom. Of which they then riveted the mass of the ball, in a wider and thinner fashion. And they always find support in people - stomachs, money-grubbers and slaves of clothes and non-staff. Like you. You scold the USSR exclusively from the position of the stomach. It is as if for a person a pupil, clothes and a self-running wheelchair are the meaning of life. And, I also forgot the pink-blue foreign land where you like to ride after the labors of the unrighteous.
          1. Thunderbringer
            Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 09: 36 New
            -5
            Quote: Essex62
            But when the Office began to consist of some careerists who were close in spirit, then they carried out the operation "the diffusion of vital goods."

            It’s immediately clear that I didn’t live in the USSR, only from the Internet from propagandists.
            I tell.
            "a deficit of vital goods" in the USSR ALWAYS existed, throughout its history. It could only be explained in different ways, then devastation, then civil war, then the Second World War, then the construction of communism, then the shortcomings in the field.
            By the arrival of Gorbachev, the store shelves were ALREADY almost empty. He announced the restructuring and acceleration of the need to solve including these problems.
            As history has shown, only one option could work for survival, namely, a hidden transition to capitalism like China.
            All other Soviet economic chimeras do not work. An example is North Korea, or Cuba.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 6 July 2020 19: 10 New
              0
              Are you talking to me? I defended the USSR to the last, when the farce, the guild workers and the once-repainted party staff, the real Communists had already been cleaned up, the coup had muddied. That you about life in the Union do not know anything. Empty shelves to hunchback traitor? According to the recognition of the institutes of the USSR, by the year 88 was at the peak of economic power. And who are you hanging up noodles about Chinese capitalism?
              There are the same reincarnates in power, with the psychology of the skinners. A Chinese working man in a big ass, plows on his uncle bourgeois from dark to dark.
              A working man in the USSR felt like a master of the country and wanted to spit on any bosses. They will not send further the machine, locomotive or mine. Soviet power was on the side of the worker, and there was a government for any presumptuous bastard. I know from my own experience. The basis of equality in society, including in the field of perceiving a person’s place in it, is based on the unshakable postulates of socialism - a ban on personal enrichment and an equal start from birth.
              Today, any insignificance sitting on a stolen bag with loot considers itself to be the navel of the earth.
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 5 July 2020 17: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Essex62
            Standard, though you can’t argue with the grandiose, perfectly staged and conducted Masonic flower blossom.

            That is, the USSR was ruled by Masons?
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 17: 22 New
          -3
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          And the collapse of the State, which has been collected for centuries, is a tragedy.

          What is the tragedy? The fact that you could not snatch your billion?
  • kapitan92
    kapitan92 4 July 2020 23: 22 New
    +3
    Quote: Malyuta
    Personally, I do not recognize this whole circus with horses initially.

    good
    How amendments to the Constitution will affect the protection of the rights and freedoms of citizens:

    Yes, they will not! What has changed in the "vertical" of power and in the "system" built?
    There are "grandmothers", you will be otmazut from any articles, no you sit down! laughing
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 5 July 2020 11: 00 New
    -2
    Quote: Malyuta
    Take a calculator and count. voted in favor of about 50% of 110 million

    not even a calculator is needed to see the ridicule insignificant (a bit more error) 13% against.
    Quote: Malyuta
    even according to officersagainst "also almost half from registered voters.

    belay fool lol
    first class, skipped, you see, since you are floating in arithmetic

    Half-it's 55 millionAnd what do you have? Just Error 11 million ... lol
    Quote: Malyuta
    Threat. Personally, I do not recognize this whole circus with horses initially. And since I flush with cheaters, then I can’t lose to them.

    Your business respect the law and obey the lawwhether you like it or not.

    I do not like? Organize YOUR party, agitate, persuade, go underground, lol to hard labor lol link lol go in Switzerland, organize in a conference in London, everything, just like your ich.

    But the gut is thin, yes ... lol
    Strengths and abilities are already on ... the whistle is enough ... lol
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 17: 29 New
      -1
      Quote: Olgovich
      It is up to you to respect the Law and obey the Law, whether you like it or not.

      Ohh, of course. A very convenient approach to life when you prescribe these laws in your interests. As soon as these laws are in the interests of the majority, we will talk. And then I’ll think about it.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 6 July 2020 06: 14 New
        -2
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Ohh, of course. A very convenient approach to life when you prescribe these laws in your interests. As soon as these laws are in the interests of the majority, talk

        you, again a loser minority, what relation do you have to the majority that you have the courage to speak on his behalf?
  • New
    New Year day 4 July 2020 20: 40 New
    +3
    Quote: Finches
    Right! Judging by the figures of the plebiscite, its people and decide

    there is such an opinion ...
    1. Finches
      Finches 4 July 2020 20: 54 New
      -10
      You will quote Navalny’s opinion to me - also an extremely authoritative source! I attended the elections - the turnout was high, even in our country, in the infantile, but always fronting Petersburg ... Among my, albeit conservative army encirclement, the amendments were supported (from their words) by 99,9%. So conspiracy theories have the right to life, but they are at odds with the reality that I personally have observed and am observing! hi
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 4 July 2020 21: 29 New
        -13
        Moscow is the den of the front. Our Peter is much less infected with this dirty trick. On the gangways - one and a half crippled, and the same person, for any reason. Either the protesters are professional, or from the category “they didn’t get me”, which, in principle, is one and the same.
        1. Finches
          Finches 4 July 2020 21: 34 New
          -7
          In Moscow, a large concentration of informals bought by the State Department! And then you're right!
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 4 July 2020 21: 39 New
            -7
            There are those who have been bought, and there are those who are trying to fall to the trough. Well, or imagine a political capitalist cook up.
            1. New
              New Year day 4 July 2020 23: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              There are those who have been bought, and there are those who are trying to fall to the trough.

              how do you transfer everything to money. As they chased a long ruble, you continue to think only with money. Did anything useful without money be done in life?
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 4 July 2020 23: 44 New
                -2
                Well show me disinterested. Personally, I will put a monument for my hard-earned money. Although I admit, there is still a category for which power is an end in itself. Ambition.
                1. Thunderbringer
                  Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 09: 45 New
                  -6
                  Power is also money, oddly enough.
                  Often it is an opportunity not to spend this same money.
                  As it was in the USSR. The higher you are in power, the less money you need (still rowing), but in fact it is. You are completely provided by the state, that is, the people.
              2. Thunderbringer
                Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 09: 43 New
                -6
                Quote: Silvestr
                how do you transfer everything to money. As they chased a long ruble, you continue to think only with money. Did anything useful without money be done in life?

                Money is a universal, and most importantly understandable, means of expressing mutual gratitude.
                Well, not with an honorary diploma or a handshake before a person builds a family to feed his family?
        2. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 4 July 2020 22: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Moscow is the den of the front.

          Yes, okay to you! Fronda is the Nenets! wink
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 17: 32 New
        -1
        Quote: Finches
        Among my, albeit conservative army encirclement, the amendments supported (in their words) 99,9%.

        Why not? Power prudently feeds the army. The army logically supports the power that feeds it. True, as always, at the expense of the people, but these are little things that you should not pay attention to.
        1. Finches
          Finches 5 July 2020 17: 56 New
          +3
          Give up the army, what's the problem?
  • YOUR
    YOUR 6 July 2020 08: 44 New
    -1
    Well, Kaka will be affected. On the day of zeroing, housing and communal services tariffs were increased, the price of AI-92 soared by 45 kopecks, and the control one in the head.
    "The Russian economy, which received a powerful blow from the coronavirus and falling oil prices, will be able to recover due to the influx of migrants. The country is extremely interested in the arrival of migrant workers, President Vladimir Putin said on Friday, July 3. At the same time, the number of unemployed citizens in Russia by fall will grow to 20 million, experts say. "
  • Svarog
    Svarog 4 July 2020 19: 07 New
    20
    Before the Constitution was nullified, they scored, and now even more so. And you can forget about the rights .. now the right of Edra will work hard.
    1. kot423
      kot423 4 July 2020 19: 16 New
      -20
      Is there a time machine to say so categorically? Or a new training manual came, "we 100500% know that it will be worse, but from where - let's not say, this data is secret."
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 4 July 2020 19: 18 New
        22
        Quote: kot423
        Is there a time machine to say so categorically? Or a new training manual came, "we 100500% know that it will be worse, but from where - let's not say, this data is secret."

        So for 6 years it’s only worse .. as oil went down, everything is worse and worse .. or is it not? It is not necessary to have a time machine here, people are the same, if nothing fundamental has been done in 20 years, at high oil prices, now why?
        1. kot423
          kot423 4 July 2020 19: 21 New
          -13
          Do not translate arrows from the topic. Is the question above difficult to understand? I can simply: where does such a categorical infa come about worse, without nodding for oil, gas, etc., if the amendments are just adopted, the article says “time will tell” in plain text?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 4 July 2020 19: 25 New
            15
            Quote: kot423
            Does the article say “time will tell” in plain text?

            The fact that the article says so does not mean that you have to wait to make a conclusion .. This is my opinion whether you like it or not .. You will wait another 20 years to understand something .. well, wait ..
            1. kot423
              kot423 4 July 2020 19: 31 New
              -15
              Before the Constitution was nullified, they scored, and now even more so. And you can forget about the rights .. now the right of Edra will work hard.

              Where in this comment says about "this is my IMHO"? Or are you a god, a clairvoyant, a man from the future, the navel of the earth, "exceptional" to make such categorical announcements on the entire Internet? My IMHO - your style is very reminiscent of tear striped, so in my post there was a second assumption about the training manual. So which of the following is true?
          2. Leshy1975
            Leshy1975 4 July 2020 19: 29 New
            19
            Quote: kot423
            Do not translate arrows from the topic. Is the question above difficult to understand? I can simply: where does such a categorical infa come about worse, without nodding for oil, gas, etc., if the amendments are just adopted, the article says “time will tell” in plain text?

            I can answer. From life experience and many years of official statistics. According to which, the income of the population, in contrast to the income of the "elite", has been falling for the seventh consecutive year.
            If the authorities and the performers are the same, then what better will it suddenly become? Or maybe the conscience of those in power will wake up? And they had it at all, is there anything to wake up?
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 4 July 2020 20: 00 New
          -5
          I can’t understand everything. you speak 6 years. so you know after what events it all started. do you really think that could be otherwise? The Rubicon was crossed then. Crimea is the catalyst for all this. Do you think it was not worth it? No need to do so then?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 4 July 2020 20: 08 New
            11
            Quote: carstorm 11
            The Rubicon was crossed then. Crimea is the catalyst for all this.

            After Crimea, I was inspired and thought that if the guarantor agreed to this, then there will be changes in domestic politics, it was clear that the “partners” just wouldn’t leave it .. But there were no changes in domestic politics .. more precisely, they happened but with a sign minus .. As a result, degradation .. both in domestic politics and in the economy and social sphere.
            If I saw, in addition to his words, there are also real actions .. but they are not there, only words .. words that have been noodles for more than a year on the ears of the population ..
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 4 July 2020 20: 17 New
              -5
              it was a real action. and all that followed was consequences and attempts to survive them. somewhere the right steps somewhere the choice was not the best. but all that happens over the years is the consequences of that decision. For me personally, the fact that everyone knows why everything happens is surprising, but they suddenly refuse to bear responsibility for that choice. But this is not the end. it won’t get any better ...
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 4 July 2020 20: 21 New
                +9
                Quote: carstorm 11
                But this is not the end. it won’t get any better ...

                Exactly ... but it could have been better ..
                And so half measures .. Step forward, two back, that’s Putin’s style.
            2. codetalker
              codetalker 4 July 2020 20: 31 New
              -11
              Changes have occurred and are occurring. Internal change is a very viscous and long business.
              1. Observer2014
                Observer2014 4 July 2020 21: 34 New
                +6
                Quote: codetalker
                Changes have occurred and are occurring. Internal change is a very viscous and long business.

                Brilliant! laughing How old are you to be sorry that you are ready to wait endlessly for better times?
                1. codetalker
                  codetalker 4 July 2020 22: 22 New
                  -5
                  Nobody talked about endlessly ...
                  But it’s very naive to expect that everything will be decided by the flapping of fingers.
                  1. Observer2014
                    Observer2014 4 July 2020 22: 27 New
                    -1
                    Quote: codetalker
                    Nobody talked about endlessly ...
                    But it’s very naive to expect that everything will be decided by the flapping of fingers.

                    Thank you. We have heard this since 1991.
                    1. Thunderbringer
                      Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 09: 48 New
                      -6
                      And since 1991 nothing has changed at all?
                      1. Observer2014
                        Observer2014 5 July 2020 09: 57 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Thunderbringer
                        And since 1991 nothing has changed at all?

                        Are you kidding? Or do you write out the pros and cons in two columns?
                    2. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 5 July 2020 10: 16 New
                      -3
                      You hear, but you don’t do anything yourself - sit and listen further.
                2. New
                  New Year day 4 July 2020 23: 20 New
                  0
                  Quote: Observer2014
                  how old are you sorry that you are ready to wait for the best times forever?

                  how much did Jesus drive through the desert? And we don’t have Jesus request Unlimited travel dates laughing
                  1. Observer2014
                    Observer2014 5 July 2020 09: 54 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Quote: Observer2014
                    how old are you sorry that you are ready to wait for the best times forever?

                    how much did Jesus drive through the desert? And we don’t have Jesus request Unlimited travel dates laughing

                    Limited, limited. Thank God there is and remains death in old age. bully Well, instead of Jesus, the nation slipped our father, palm off. Already dabbled before jokes laughing
          2. Region68
            Region68 4 July 2020 21: 57 New
            -1
            And what was the event?
          3. aglet
            aglet 5 July 2020 08: 45 New
            +2
            "The Rubicon was crossed then. Crimea is the catalyst for all this. Do you think it was not worth it? Didn’t you have to do that then?"
            no, it was, but not so. no need to freeze in a jump. but it turned out strictly according to folk wisdom-swing ruble, blow ...
      2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 4 July 2020 21: 02 New
        +9
        Quote: kot423
        "we 100500% know that it will be worse, but from where - we will not say

        Remember that Vladimir Putin who said that you can’t raise the retirement age? So, his future depended on how much his actions would please the people of the country of which he was president.
        Now remember Putin, thanks to whom millions of pensioners lost several years of honestly earned pensions. This Putin is more like a person who relies on the elite and does not particularly look at the opinion of the broad masses of the population.
        And this is exactly what can be said: there are clearly no more reasons to look back on this opinion, after the similar results of the “vote on the Constitution”.
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 4 July 2020 23: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: kot423
        There is a time machineto state so categorically?

        If you have a cancer patient in the last stage, then a time machine is not needed to say what will happen next. And the weather forecast for tomorrow somehow learned to determine without a time machine. And the fact that liberal Putin will not lead the country to socialism, and is unlikely to honor the new Constitution, after he violated the old one many times, there’s no reason to go to the grandmother.
      4. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 17: 34 New
        -1
        Do you have a right prophet who sees the future? I guess in the 90s he ran in the front rows and screeched about "it's time to bring down." As a matter of fact, 99% of the current turbopsevdopatriotov.
    2. Clear
      Clear 4 July 2020 20: 09 New
      -1
      Quote: Svarog
      now the right of Edra will work hard.

      Yes, all parties eventually fall apart or change their name, Edro is no exception. Won Masha Maksakova (Edro), before escaping to Ukraine, she only changed dresses every day in the State Duma, and baked pancakes.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 4 July 2020 20: 19 New
        12
        Quote: Clear
        Yes, all parties fall apart or change their name over time,

        Namely, they change the names .. but essentially all the same people and the same system .. Where the parasites don’t eat bread for free ... and did this, reset it, he bought it all and hooked it on kukan .. now no one blames and people don’t expresses .. and why are they needed?
    3. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 09: 47 New
      -10
      Congratulations to the wrestlers with the regime with zeroing!
      You are zeroed nobly. Now you have to start all over again.
  • Leshy1975
    Leshy1975 4 July 2020 19: 08 New
    10
    NEVER INFLUENCE.
    1. marchcat
      marchcat 4 July 2020 19: 24 New
      +5
      Well, if someone believes that they will, then he will hold the flag!
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 4 July 2020 19: 17 New
    13
    The CEC has recently completed the counting of votes, and it’s straightforward to feel how it became easier for people to live.
  • flicker
    flicker 4 July 2020 19: 28 New
    -5
    For example, crimes and abuses committed by police or special services officers, in some cases did not receive the proper response from the Russian courts and the victims had to reach the ECHR, and only there to seek protection of their violated rights.
    There, the Israelis, for example, cannot appeal to the ECHR, even in cases where police and Israeli secret services commit “crimes and abuses” over them and do nothing like they live. belay laughing
    ---
    The ECHR doesn’t give a damn about the rights of Russian citizens, the main thing for him is to kick the Russian authorities ... and only then when they touch some sort of bulk, Makarevich and Shenderovich. bully
  • Hagen
    Hagen 4 July 2020 19: 41 New
    -1
    For example, crimes and abuses committed by police or special services officers, in some cases did not receive the proper response from the Russian courts and the victims had to reach the ECHR, and only there to seek protection of their violated rights.

    And really! "..... A court in Strasbourg condemned the practice of the Russian authorities, which automatically refuse to extradite the bodies of militants to their families. Thus, the ECHR judges sided with the relatives of the leader of the Chechen separatists Aslan Maskhadov and 55 militants killed in Nalchik in 2005, obliging Russia to pay legal costs in the amount of 32 thousand euros. Human rights activists believe that the ECHR has removed doubts about the need to repeal the law on the burial of terrorists .... "Author, are you not referring to these victims? Or this one: “.... Six consecutive decisions of the ECHR have now recognized in all parts of the process: what the Russian authorities did against me and my colleagues was not a“ fair trial, ”Khodorkovsky himself said in his Facebook .. .. "? And there is still a MN17 case ahead .... Do you really hope to establish justice there?
    1. New
      New Year day 4 July 2020 20: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: Hagen
      A court in Strasbourg condemned the practice of the Russian authorities, which automatically refuse to extradite the bodies of militants to their families. Thus, the chamber of judges of the ECHR sided with the relatives of the leader

      and court decisions regarding respectable citizens of Russia were?
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 4 July 2020 21: 07 New
        -1
        Quote: Silvestr
        and court decisions regarding respectable citizens of Russia were?

        Perhaps they were. Ask them ... But the statistics of the consideration of cases suggests that cases against Russia are considered with particular bias. And that worries me. After Yugoslavia, European justice does not inspire confidence in me.
        1. New
          New Year day 4 July 2020 23: 24 New
          0
          Quote: Hagen
          Perhaps they were. Ask them ...

          YOU set the court up as an organization that covers / encourages the enemies of Russia. That is your conclusion. To the legitimate question about the respectable citizens of our country, you dismiss. There is a tendentious approach. There are always 2 bowls on the scales, on yours - 1.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 5 July 2020 10: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: Silvestr
            YOU set the court up as an organization that covers / encourages the enemies of Russia.

            I see no reason to consider Europe competent to resolve the internal affairs of Russia. And so I voted for it. You can consider it normal for a neighbor to dictate how you keep order at home. For me, this is not acceptable.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 17: 41 New
              -3
              Quote: Hagen
              You can consider it normal for a neighbor to dictate how you keep order at home.

              Of course, I understand that you now have a market-oriented liberal student of a pseudo-patriot who will be shocked by what I say. But still, a neighbor can dictate how and what to do in the house. For you do not live in a vacuum, but in a society, and if my well-being, life or health do not depend on what order you have, I will not dictate to you, I will force you to restore order.
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 5 July 2020 20: 45 New
                +4
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                Of course, I understand that you now have a market-oriented liberal student of a pseudo-patriot who will be shocked by what I say.

                I will not humiliate myself by switching to your manner of communicating with strangers. But I’ll answer you that I don’t feel shock, because I know with whom I communicate. I know that no matter what I do at home, and no matter how it affects you, you will not produce anything and will do nothing except the unpleasant smell in the air. You are on your couch, and not only on it, humbly execute the decisions that we will make. You won’t go anywhere, and do not force anyone to anything. Do not tell me your "empty" determination ...
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                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 5 July 2020 23: 19 New
                    +2
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    That is, there is nothing to tell you on the topic?

                    Yes, you open your eyes. I have already expressed my opinion. There is no point in repeating. Your rating is not interesting to me.
                  2. Clear
                    Clear 6 July 2020 17: 54 New
                    0
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    Then just shut up, there’s a chance that you’ll be smart. Although perhaps no longer, you will not sit down.

                    Makar, why do you answer so rudely? Those responsible for the site are scolding you.
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 9 July 2020 01: 33 New
                      -2
                      Because I'm tired of fools. Which on the site the further the more. And there are less and less smart ones. What the heck was to ban Golovan? The site did not fulfill the plan for doodles visitors? Need to raise the percentage?
                      1. Clear
                        Clear 9 July 2020 19: 43 New
                        -1
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        What the heck was to ban Golovan? The site did not fulfill the plan for doodles

                        And this Golovan was banned, like a boob?
                      2. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 11 July 2020 12: 31 New
                        -2
                        Here I am talking about. Such alternatively gifted as you are the crowds on the site. And he was banned.
                      3. Clear
                        Clear 11 July 2020 19: 31 New
                        +1
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Here I am talking about. Such alternatively gifted as you are the crowds on the site. And he was banned.

                        Makarushka, did you collapse from oak? And you will poke your wife. Parenting is horror.
                      4. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 11 July 2020 19: 39 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Clear
                        Makarushka, did you collapse from oak? And you will poke your wife. Parenting is horror.

                        Should parenting interfere with calling a spade a spade? For you, I understand this is very convenient. Tolerant.
                      5. Clear
                        Clear 11 July 2020 19: 51 New
                        +1
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Should parenting interfere with calling a spade a spade?

                        I see your "upbringing" does not interfere with doing anything.
                        Such rotten flaring, to strangers like
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Such alternatively gifted as you are the crowds on the site.
                        You are like a quarrelsome woman. And, I won’t be surprised if you ever really run into a real man.
                      6. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 11 July 2020 19: 57 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Clear
                        to a real man.

                        It is strange that not in capital letters. So not at all impressive.
                      7. Clear
                        Clear 11 July 2020 20: 01 New
                        +2
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Quote: Clear
                        to a real man.

                        It is strange that not in capital letters. So not at all impressive.

                        Makar, I have no desire to engage in your complexes.
                      8. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 11 July 2020 20: 08 New
                        +1
                        I put you a plus for not lying.
                      9. Clear
                        Clear 11 July 2020 20: 11 New
                        +1
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        I put you a plus for not lying.

                        Well, I do not mind you (with Сthree letters, by gol Makar) put a plus sign
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 5 July 2020 22: 39 New
    -1
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    But still, a neighbor can dictate how and what to do in the house. For you do not live in a vacuum, but in a society, and if my well-being, life or health do not depend on what order you have, I will not dictate to you, I will force you to restore order.

    So you are forced to restore order. What are you dissatisfied with?
  • New
    New Year day 4 July 2020 23: 36 New
    -3
    Quote: Hagen
    Perhaps they were. Ask them ...

    asked:
    Russia in 2018 became the absolute leader in the number of complaints to the European Court of Human Rights, follows from the organization’s annual report. Russia is also the leader in the number of cases lost by the authorities.

    In total, over the past year, Russian citizens sent more than 12 thousand applications to the ECHR. Of these, 11 thousand 750 appeals are now at one stage or another of legal proceedings. Approximately half of the claims - 5,2 thousand appeals - are communicated (this means that the Russian authorities were informed of the complaint. - RBC).

    Read more at RBC:
    https://www.rbc.ru/society/24/01/2019/5c49a8349a7947572cf78497
    Are these all gangsters?
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 09: 50 New
      -6
      Well, why, not all.
      But the wooden-headed fighters with the regime are pretty present.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 5 July 2020 12: 09 New
      -1
      Quote: Silvestr
      In 2018, Russia became the absolute leader in the number of complaints to the European Court of Human Rights.

      What is the largest country in Europe, do you even know?
      Judging by the given "argument", no.

      And in terms of the number of complaints filed per 10 thousand people, Russia is in the Sixteenth place in Europe, behind the leader by almost TEN!
      In total, over the past year, Russian citizens sent more than 12 thousand applications to the ECHR.

      And in 2010 there was 40 hits

      Over 90% of complaints are rejected.

      in 2019, the number of definitions of complaints declaring a violation of the Convention by Russia decreased TWO TIMES.
      etc.

      and you have all-disaster around .....

      Quote: Silvestr
      Are these all gangsters?

      many, if you read the complaints
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 6 July 2020 05: 54 New
        +4
        Quote: Olgovich
        What is the largest country in Europe, do you even know?

        Thank you buddy! There’s even nothing to add .... It’s just that the “witness sect, part 4 st15” has faith in the original sinfulness of Russia instead of knowledge. And this is not adjusted by knowledge.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 6 July 2020 06: 33 New
          +3
          Quote: Hagen
          s "witness sect

          Albatians, sternum, McCain, etc.-in ... ONE build! yes belay request lol
  • fn34440
    fn34440 4 July 2020 19: 41 New
    10
    Hmayak Hakobyan envies Ella Pamfilova.
    His fame as an illusionist is confounded.
    The whitish Kustodiev diva fucked his gift.
    Don't go to Clichias.

    "We cook in a strange compote,
    where they lie for eyes and eyes
    where each individually is “against”,
    and together - strongly "for" "-
    it's about us Huberman.
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 09: 50 New
      -5
      How are things in Ukraine?
  • parusnik
    parusnik 4 July 2020 19: 47 New
    12
    The new version of the Constitution of the Russian Federation spells out the priority of Russian laws over those international acts that are at variance with the basic law of our country.
    The priority of Russian laws over international acts can only be in the case when Russia has not acceded to a particular international treaty, or has acceded, but not ratified. For example, the United States signed the Kyoto Protocol, but did not ratify ... If Russia sees that some new international law is at variance with the Basic Law of Russia, it may simply not sign it .. Like again, an international declaration prohibiting the hunting of whales ... the Japanese did not join it and how they caught whales and they catch them. ..And at the same time they are not considered international poachers ... they do not declare sanctions .. Regarding interstate treaties, here the states themselves decide which legislation will be applied in this or that case ...
  • fn34440
    fn34440 4 July 2020 20: 08 New
    +6
    The consumption of disposable ballpoint pens strictly corresponded to the turnout of voters in Moscow.
    But why did these pens, in droves, appear on the sale of stationery shops underground and metro passages in the capital?
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 09: 51 New
      -6
      Where did you come from? In Kuev?
  • Alexga
    Alexga 4 July 2020 20: 11 New
    -1
    [2. The people exercise their power directly, as well as through public authorities and local authorities.]
    Well, through the electoral structures this is understandable, but how is it "directly"?
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 4 July 2020 20: 23 New
    +6
    And what does it have to do with rights, freedoms, the Constitution. almost 20 years ago, someone said that the fact that Russia is for Russians, only pridurki believe in it. And yesterday, he announced that he needed more guest workers. But many have lost their sources of income for this spring.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 4 July 2020 21: 21 New
      +4
      How will the amendments? For example, an amendment was adopted that special laws and a special management system can be established on parts of the state — read the state can be divided into zemstvos and oprichnina, as under Ivan the Terrible or “private latifundia” called “TORs” —that is, in some territories you can limit the rights of citizens as the authorities so choose, or introduce their own "special" laws and so on. And considering that ATTENTION! and an amendment was adopted on the priority of domestic legislation over international, then international rules such as the presumption of innocence, the priority of universal values, freedom of the person within the law, freedom of expression of will and protest, inviolability of home and private property, etc., by the Russian government can now be freely rejected attention and be violated as he pleases under the usual pretext: "given the difficult external economic situation and taking into account the opinion-requests of the majority of the population." And now citizens will not even be able to complain about the arbitrariness of the authorities in the courts of international jurisdiction - by their amendments they deprived of this opportunity - now the decisions of such courts in Russia are not valid. Here it is. So, now, - at any arbitrariness in power in Russia, "hands are untied". And there’s nowhere to complain — only to the notorious one, which has already become an anecdote and a “parable in the tongues,” is a “bassman court” with a decision already known in favor of whom.
      Well, what about yesterday’s statement “nullified” about the fact that Russia needs more migrants .... well, one could say ... In Russia, no one is going to build an economy aimed at the domestic market, they are building an export economy aimed at exporting natural resources. such an economy does not require qualified citizens who are “tied” to their place of residence, such an economy needs mobile shift workers and so that they still work for the balance sheet and cannot complain to anyone about the hellish working conditions. See how the same diamonds and other minerals are mined in Africa - “nullified” has much to strive for “Africa in its own country”. It looks like the "ideal state of" nullified "" is: Migrant slaves from Bantustust working on a rotational basis without any social protection (worked their way back to Bantustan, to their pride), guarded by lured siloviki from the "indigenous population" or from the same Bantustanov, all this under the guidance of "effective managers" of a new formation of "nobles" formed on the principle of property qualification, kinship, inter-family marriages, personal devotion ....
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 4 July 2020 21: 58 New
      -9
      However, none of these who have lost income will pick up a broom - their fingers, mostly under the keyboard, are sharpened. And they will not go to the construction site for the same reason. And who will sweep the yards? Maybe, all the same, skilled work for the indigenous people, and leave the black gastritis. Fair, by the way.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 17: 48 New
        0
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        And they will not go to the construction site for the same reason.

        Maybe a few for other reasons? For example, that there salaries do not quite correspond to working conditions?
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Maybe, all the same, skilled work for the indigenous people, and leave the black gastritis. Fair, by the way.

        That is, do you propose that we arrange the same orgy with migrants as in Europe? But what about your rotten pseudo-patriotic lie about the fact that here you are not there and we have a special right way?
  • Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 4 July 2020 20: 33 New
    +5
    in no way affect.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 4 July 2020 20: 46 New
    +3
    Forgive the Lord ... As they will influence, so will they. You might think I ask someone will ....
  • demo
    demo 4 July 2020 21: 03 New
    +6
    The photo with the police is very revealing in the light of how the authorities can give a damn about all the laws and rules.
    In the photo, two police officers, as it turned out, have perfect identical badges.

    According to paragraph 2. of the Regulation on the badge of a police officer, approved by order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia dated July 22.07.2011, 868 No. XNUMX, the badge is a service badge of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, allowing identification of a police officer serving in public places.

    Order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia dated July 22.07.2011, 868 No. XNUMX established a list of types of badges: badge of a patrol officer, badge of a private security officer, badge of an officer of the road patrol unit, badge of a local police officer, general badge of a police officer.

    The procedure for wearing the badge by police officers is defined in the above Regulation on the badge of a police officer, approved by order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia dated July 22.07.2011, 868 No. 74, as well as paragraph 26.07.2013 of the Rules for wearing uniforms, insignia and departmental insignia by officers of the internal affairs bodies of the Russian Federation, approved by order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia dated July 575, XNUMX No. XNUMX. These regulatory acts establish the obligation to wear a badge by a police officer serving in public places.

    Can I order a badge?
    Yes I can.
    I ordered, paid, received.
    No one will even ask who I am and why I order it.
    But if I put it on, and even on uniform, then this is not an administrative, but a criminal offense.

    Question. Where did the police unit get two identical signs?
    The answer, most likely, is such, pre-made.
    Question. For what purpose?
    Answer. For the inability to identify an employee.
    It smacks of criminality?
    To me, yes.

    Now attention.
    "In Moscow, a company commander of the 2nd operational police regiment of the city was charged with two police officers who had detained protesters at the Petrovka building because of identical numbers on the badges. This was reported by RBC with reference to the department for interaction with civil society institutions and the media of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs.

    According to security officials, the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs conducted an internal audit and found violations of the regulations on the badge of a police officer. The company commander was foreclosed, and with the unit’s employees “carried out preventive work”.
    https://www.znak.com/2020-07-03/v_mvd_nakazali_komandira_policeyskih_zaderzhivavshih_piketchikov_s_odinakovymi_zhetonami

    Still naive will think that the authorities are preparing to push for delayed amendments to comply?
    The power to prepare you in the near future, how to transfer cockroaches, those who did not have time to get into the gap.
    And she is concerned that citizens could not even find out what kind of “horned” one they hit on the head for no reason.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 4 July 2020 21: 45 New
      -15
      I’ve been living in this world for 57 years and none of the cops ever hit me. There were certain excesses in youth - but here I am to blame. And if you look wider - maybe they kicked it right with a club? Deservedly, so to speak. So what's the difference who the author of this action is and under what number is it?
      1. New
        New Year day 4 July 2020 23: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        And if you look wider - maybe they kicked it right with a club?

        sorry not to the heads of your relatives. For prophylaxis. It’s just their flaw.
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        who cares who the author of this action is and what is its number?
      2. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 5 July 2020 00: 14 New
        -1
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        I’ve been living in this world for 57 years and none of the cops ever hit me. There were certain excesses in youth - but here I am to blame. And if you look wider - maybe they kicked it right with a club? Deservedly, so to speak. So what's the difference who the author of this action is and under what number is it?

        Have you been released from the ban ?! )))
        Then I personally explain to you "on the fingers" hi
        For a policeman, a badge with a number is like a passport for an ordinary citizen of the country - it’s the same as someone with your passport will come, for example, to a bank and get a loan - and you will have to give it back lol laughing So see? bully
        1. Thunderbringer
          Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 09: 53 New
          -2
          Yes, I see, I see.
          Only here the American training manual on combating the police does not work.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 5 July 2020 10: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: demo
      The photo with the police is very revealing in the light of how the authorities can give a damn about all the laws and rules.
      In the photo, two police officers, as it turned out, have perfect identical badges.
      This can be confirmed only when the numbers on the signs coincide, which is not observed in the photo provided, and therefore the statement that they are identical is incorrect.
      Still naive will think that the authorities are preparing to push for delayed amendments to comply?
      The power to prepare you in the near future, how to transfer cockroaches, those who did not have time to get into the gap.
      And she is concerned that citizens could not even find out what kind of “horned” one they hit on the head for no reason.

      It is just wild and outrageous. TWO !!! policemen, in masks, in gloves, observing the quarantine regime, transfer the lady across the road under her arms! What is most disgusting, they did not even crumple the opposition poster! Where are the sanctions on the part of human rights advocates on the name of the "mistranslated lady"? How long will this chaos happen? Is it the case in the USA !!! One police black man strangles his knee, and three of his companions-accomplices provide him with cover so that no one could stop the murder. Other mattress policemen, looking at this, decided that this was a new "flash mob" and picking it up, after a few days they shot another couple of unarmed blacks. You give the Russian police the same rights to carry out lawlessness as the American police! And then you damn it, the Sordimorda cunningly manipulating tokens the whole "non-living public" confuse and confuse, confuse and confuse. The ECHR does not have them!
      1. RitaNik
        RitaNik 5 July 2020 12: 48 New
        -1
        In America, such police actions are due to the fact that in the country, citizens can acquire weapons for self-defense.
        By the way, do you know what happened to the cops you are talking about? I heard that one of them, at least, is facing an electric chair.
      2. RitaNik
        RitaNik 5 July 2020 15: 20 New
        +2
        By the way, the murdered blacks are not Moscow protesters for you, one of them is a repeat offender (7th walker), the other also had problems with the law earlier.

        Quote: Nyrobsky
        You give the Russian police the same rights to carry out lawlessness as the American police!

        In Russia, police were allowed to shoot to kill too.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 5 July 2020 17: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: RitaNik
          In America, such police actions are due to the fact that in the country, citizens can acquire weapons for self-defense.
          Our citizens also have the right to purchase traumatic and hunting (smoothbore and rifled) weapons, which have 7 million trunks in their hands.
          Quote: RitaNik
          By the way, the murdered blacks are not Moscow protesters for you, one of them is a repeat offender (7th walker), the other also had problems with the law earlier.

          But how simple is Citizen? PERSON? By and large, he "served his sentence and was released with a clear conscience." As I understand it, you are positioning yourself as a human rights defender, however, the approach to protecting your rights is like that of mattresses to international law, i.e. when it is not beneficial to them, then they neglect it. So it is with you - our convicts are victims of the arbitrariness of the administration and the bloody Gulag regime, and their convicts themselves are to blame for asking for it.
          Quote: RitaNik
          By the way, do you know what happened to the cops you are talking about? I heard, that at least one of them faces an electric chair

          The key word is "Heard."
          Quote: RitaNik
          In Russia, police were allowed to shoot to kill too.
          There was no ban on the use of service weapons by police officers in Russia, but their use was due to a number of factors.
          1. RitaNik
            RitaNik 5 July 2020 19: 28 New
            +3
            It’s great that you are outraged by the tyranny of the mattress police and the violation of the rights of the oppressed American blacks. You are right, I have double standards - the rights and freedoms of our citizens are important to me and everything that the police in America do is indifferent.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 5 July 2020 22: 30 New
              +3
              Quote: RitaNik
              You are right, I have double standards - the rights and freedoms of our citizens are important to me and it’s all indifferent to what the cops in America do.

              Well, you yourself and contradict. Why, then, did you enter into polemics about my comment regarding what the police do in America?
              In America, such actions by the police are due to the fact that citizens can acquire weapons for self-defense in the country. By the way, you know what happened to the police ........ By the way, the murdered blacks are not Moscow protesters, one of them recidivist (7th walker), another also had problems with the law earlier.
              1. RitaNik
                RitaNik 5 July 2020 23: 55 New
                +1
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                Why, then, did you enter into polemics about my comment regarding what the police are doing in America?

                Yes, because the US police and the police in Russia are two very different organizations operating in the midst of two very different peoples mentality. And you, for some reason, all nod to the mattresses.
                1. RitaNik
                  RitaNik 6 July 2020 07: 40 New
                  0
                  Our police are also not Soviet uncles Styopa, they may not be strangling the camera with a knee, but this does not mean that they can exceed their powers without witnesses. And the mattress police is not only engaged in the fact that it kills blacks, but, perhaps, sometimes it takes women under their arms across the road.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 4 July 2020 21: 14 New
    -4
    Beneficial impact. Do not be so kind as to slip in.
    It would be desirable to still work at work.
    These are not constitutional issues to discuss, namely, work. Moreover, what is the light on. Moreover, each in his own workplace. It would be great....
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 5 July 2020 09: 57 New
      -6
      How it is?
      And if you hate the regime? Let him pay you, protect you, create conditions. All the same, all this is bad, you need to spit in it and do nothing.
      And after that they think that the people will follow them?
      It’s fortunate that overseas brainwashing experts are still underworking, they don’t fully understand what Russia is.
      Therefore, the result is so-so, about 10 percent of the most stubborn or greedy.
      People do not go to the streets to overthrow the regime, even cry.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 4 July 2020 21: 23 New
    +3
    Foreign judges simply cannot live, they are so eager to restore "legality in Russia." The author himself is not funny?
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 4 July 2020 21: 38 New
    +7
    How amendments to the Constitution will affect the protection of the rights and freedoms of citizens: pending results
    No way. Lawyers had to deal with amendments. And not a bunch of actors, athletes and other "respected" people
  • Diviz
    Diviz 4 July 2020 21: 41 New
    +1
    And for me, if it weren’t for American sanctions, then there would be no amendments. It remains only to establish what our country is
    shadow of America.
  • iouris
    iouris 4 July 2020 22: 06 New
    +3
    "No one will give us deliverance ..."
    1. demo
      demo 5 July 2020 07: 34 New
      +1
      So I want to add:
      "without target designation .."
      Although I know how it was in the original. hi
  • Avior
    Avior 4 July 2020 22: 57 New
    +1
    The amendment that domestic laws take precedence over international treaties is legally very strange and carries a lot of potential problems.
    This amendment is purely for domestic consumption; it has no effect on international authorities.
    And if, for example, a case is being considered by any judicial or arbitration court from among those of which the Russian Federation is a member, and appoints compensation, then the domestic court can cancel it, only at the international level will everything remain in force.
    And there are two options: either they will not actually apply this change, or they will be extremely limited, only in very special cases, or, if this amendment is applied widely, all Russian property abroad will be under arrest for many years to come, which will greatly complicate international activities of the Russian Federation.
    The experience of Poland and Ukraine has shown that it is quite possible to knock out even large sums even from the largest state-owned companies, which means that others will try, and companies with state shares will be threatened with property arrests for a long time, which is very unfortunate
    hi
  • Sandro1977
    Sandro1977 4 July 2020 23: 02 New
    +1
    "The new version of the Constitution of the Russian Federation spells out the priority of Russian laws over those international acts that are at variance with the basic law of our country." - why's that? Is something changed in the first chapter of article 15, paragraph 4? Any international treaty takes precedence over the constitution, does it seem to be written there ?,
    "The generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If an international treaty of the Russian Federation establishes rules other than those prescribed by law, then the rules of the international treaty apply."
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 4 July 2020 23: 18 New
    -9
    How amendments to the Constitution will affect the protection of the rights and freedoms of citizens


    if we are talking about ordinary citizens who are not related to political NGOs and other offices sponsored by the West to promote Western values ​​in Russia, then nothing.
    The praised ECHR appeals from ordinary citizens of Russia that were not related to politics, protecting the rights of LGBT people and other Western values ​​were, of course, accepted and put on the cloth, so it was unrealistic for ordinary citizens to live up to the consideration of their claim by the ECHR.

    So the article is rather an article about the fact that political NGOs and activists who advocate the promotion of Western values ​​in Russia will not have much room to cry and then wave in the Russian courts the decision of the ECHR.
    From now on, the decision of the ECHR for any of the most contingent Russian courts is automatically a piece of paper for the toilet, and this was the main point of the constitutional amendment on the priority of Russian law.

    If the author is so worried about human rights, I recommend that he turn his head towards the United States. After all, over the past few months, how the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens have been violated, and there is a priority of American law over the decision of any court in the world about the grief there in the United States.
    1. Avior
      Avior 5 July 2020 07: 31 New
      0
      Either you were deceived, or you are deceiving us.
      Article 15 on the superiority of international laws and treaties over domestic ones remained unchanged.
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 5 July 2020 17: 26 New
        -2
        Quote: Avior
        Article 15 on the superiority of international laws and treaties over domestic ones remained unchanged.


        in order to cancel it, we need to collect the Constitutional Assembly, and this is unnecessary for us, because it is enough to amend the chapter on the federal structure in Article 79 and the priority of international law over Russian is neutralized

        So it was in the 1993 Constitution;
        "
        Article 79

        The Russian Federation may participate in interstate associations and transfer to them part of its authority in accordance with international treaties, if this does not entail a restriction of the rights and freedoms of man and citizen and does not contradict the foundations of the constitutional system of the Russian Federation. "

        And so it became after the amendment to the Constitution of 2020 (highlighted in bold);

        “Article 79

        The Russian Federation may participate in interstate associations and transfer to them part of its powers in accordance with international treaties of the Russian Federation, if this does not entail restrictions on the rights and freedoms of man and citizen and does not contradict the foundations of the constitutional system of the Russian Federation.Decisions of interstate bodies adopted on the basis of the provisions of international treaties of the Russian Federation in their interpretation, contrary to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, shall not be enforced in the Russian Federation.»
        1. Avior
          Avior 5 July 2020 20: 10 New
          -3
          but you yourself do not see that this is far from the same thing.
          The priority of international laws and agreements remained in the Constitution, and in this regard, essentially nothing has changed.
          And article 15 is in place, and will serve as evidence in any international court.
          And in Russian, too, by the way.
          At every step, they emphasized the priority of Russian laws, and a zilch turned out
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad 6 July 2020 00: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: Avior
            And article 15 is in place, and will serve as evidence in any international court.
            And in Russian, too, by the way.
            At every step, they emphasized the priority of Russian laws, and a zilch turned out


            you apparently forgot how to read
            Decisions of interstate bodies adopted on the basis of the provisions of international treaties of the Russian Federation in their interpretation, contrary to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, shall not be enforced in the Russian Federation.»

            where is the key not enforceable in the Russian Federation. therefore, any decision internationally instantly turns into a piece of paper for the toilet and no one will accept your claim with the decision of the international court in any Russian court for consideration.
            Amendments to the Constitution are essentially brilliant since, without rewriting the 1993 constitution, they blocked all articles making a Western colony from Russia.


            The priority of international laws and agreements remained in the Constitution, and in this regard, essentially nothing has changed.


            from now on, any ruling of the international court that contradicts the Constitution of Russia is automatically sent to the bin. I see that you have not realized it yet.


            so there in article 15 it was said about the priority of international law
            and here
            "If other rules are established by an international treaty of the Russian Federation than those provided by law, then the rules of the international treaty shall apply."

            and now we look at the text and the meaning of the amendment and not at what chapter it is in

            Decisions of interstate bodies adopted on the basis of the provisions of international treaties of the Russian Federation in their interpretation, contrary to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, shall not be enforced in the Russian Federation.

            and get the priority of Russian law.
            1. Avior
              Avior 6 July 2020 01: 44 New
              -4
              And what is there to watch?
              Article 15 automatically makes it possible to use the decision of an international court to arrest Russian property abroad.
              This is a direct action article.
              Similarly, in Russian courts, one can directly refer to international agreements, in accordance with Article 15. And if the court does not accept it, this will be the basis for some kind of ECHR on a formal basis.
              But according to Article 79, in the beginning it is still necessary to prove that they were misinterpreted.
              Adjusted ruble swing, penny strike
              1. lopvlad
                lopvlad 7 July 2020 17: 43 New
                0
                Quote: Avior
                Similarly, in Russian courts one can directly invoke international agreements - in accordance with Article 15


                where, in turn, you will be referred to Article 79 and a claim, for example, that Russia violates the rights of political NGOs or LGBT people is sent to the bin without consideration.

                Quote: Avior
                And if the court does not accept, this will be the basis for some kind of ECHR on a formal basis.


                The ECHR can take whatever you want, but if its decisions are contrary to Russian law, then the chance of their execution in Russia is now zero.

                Quote: Avior
                But according to Article 79, in the beginning it is still necessary to prove that they were misinterpreted.


                nobody will prove anything.

                For example;
                you come to a Russian court waving a decision of the ECHR which says that a certain citizen or organization in Russia is charged a fine for refusing to register same-sex marriage.
                Before you accept it, they read it and automatically refuse to accept it, since in Russia only a union of a man and a woman is considered marriage.
                You run to the ECHR to the effect that a court in Russia refused to take their decision and they issue a decision which says that Russia, in accordance with article 15 of its constitution, has assumed the right to comply with international treaties and enforce decisions of international courts.
                In with this decision, run back to the Russian court where you are given a decision that from July 4, 2020, after amending the Constitution of Russia in Article 79, it only accepts and considers decisions of international courts if these decisions do not contradict Russian laws.
                All.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 7 July 2020 18: 17 New
                  -1
                  No, everything is different
                  You refer in court directly to an international treaty. In accordance with the Constitution, Article 15
                  If the court does not accept, file with the ECHR for violation of Article 15 of the Constitution
                  Thus, St79 never pops up anywhere.
                  1. lopvlad
                    lopvlad 7 July 2020 18: 35 New
                    0
                    Quote: Avior
                    No, everything is different
                    You refer in court directly to an international treaty. In accordance with the Constitution, Article 15


                    well, it’s only in a liberal sense that it happens. For in reality you are sent back at the stage of filing a lawsuit. Although I turned down because you were sent back to the prosecutor at the stage of filing a lawsuit, telling you that your case has no prospects.

                    Quote: Avior
                    Thus, St79 never pops up anywhere.


                    it is only for you, and for any Russian court and judge from now on, Article 79 is binding.

                    The inevitability of the application of Article 79 will probably reach you only after the first decisions of the Russian courts. Therefore, we will wait for the first court cases in Russian cases under the European Court of Human Rights claims in which there is a contradiction to Russian law.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 7 July 2020 18: 38 New
                      -2
                      The lawsuit is not filed with the prosecutor
                      Have you read article 79?
                      There is something completely different and st15 she does not cancel
                      And the lawsuit is filed with the ECHR not in essence, but for violation of the right to a fair trial.
                      The ECHR essentially does not consider issues at all
  • Gips
    Gips 5 July 2020 00: 43 New
    -2
    Constitutional reform: goals and main provisions | MOUTH FRONT @MIUI | https://www.rotfront.su/konstitutsionnaya-reforma-tseli-i-osnov/

    Here is a good article. All on the shelves.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 5 July 2020 01: 50 New
    -2
    Liliputs rule ...
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 5 July 2020 06: 24 New
    -2
    The amendments were accepted. Interestingly, the stupid opposition to the amendments did a disservice to the opposition. In one article, the author accuses the old people of not wanting to vote. The old people need to understand, they are patent opposition, if not to power, then to the way of life itself. Moreover, laws are written, and performed differently. What the old people write here is intended for the younger generation. Our people are cocky and ask what the law is not fulfilled. "Only a doctor sets the death of a person" and no one else. In hospitals, yes, at home often a ritual service representative . All this is gloomy. But such a time. Now they value the dead more than the living.
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 5 July 2020 17: 57 New
      0
      Quote: nikvic46
      The old people need to understand, these are patent oppositionists, if not to power, then to the very way of life


      old people need to understand that the very bestial grin of capitalism that they do not like in Russia since the beginning of the 90s because at one time they did not tear the fifth point from the sofa and did not take to the streets to defend socialism.
      Those old people who admit this sin vote for themselves and vote for Putin because they remember what the situation with pensions was under Yeltsin and remember the betrayal of the Communists in the beginning and in the second half of the 90s (the same 1996).
      But those pensioners who in 1991 voted for Yeltsin with foam at the mouth and now shed bitter tears about the lost benefits of socialism except as a non-commissioned officer widow.
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 5 July 2020 20: 17 New
        +3
        Today. First of all, I don’t feel a sin for myself. Do not judge, but will not be judged. Are you talking about some kind of election under Yeltsin? They were essentially nonexistent. I recalled the meeting of Khrushchev at which he branded Stalin's culture. From the audience came the voice "We would not be silent." Khrushchev asked, “Who said?” Silence. “So we were silent.” Perhaps this is a joke. There are many brave men, but there is no one to answer.
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 6 July 2020 00: 31 New
          0
          Quote: nikvic46
          You mean some kind of election under Yeltsin

          June 12, 1991, or have you already forgotten? And they were. And forgetting this sin so that later you don’t feel it for yourself is like closing your eyes so as not to see problems. Like in the Soviet cartoon
          ".... We see how the bumblebee flew out the window,
          And again, again around me it is dark.
          .... How interesting it is -
          Close and open your eyes. "

          which means selective political vision. It’s nice that you remember Khrushchev when the law didn’t reach the age at which you can vote, but you forgot the adult in the prime of life voters in 1991. It’s only unnecessary for me to say that you forgot because you didn’t go in 1991 to vote because under the USSR everyone went to vote.
          1. nikvic46
            nikvic46 6 July 2020 05: 59 New
            -1
            You believe in the fairness of the vote. I do not.
  • convoy
    convoy 5 July 2020 09: 21 New
    -9
    I, like many, voted FOR ..!
    Not because I like everything, just tired of the cries of demshiza and other Western and our media ..! There you will see men .. hi
    I do not want again the 90s and humiliation .. hi I have the honor soldier
    1. impostor
      impostor 5 July 2020 21: 11 New
      +2
      So the gangster Peter does not want. Then it passed, and another time the olive can whip
  • Shefango
    Shefango 5 July 2020 19: 22 New
    +3
    "Blessed is he who believes! For their kingdom of heaven!" The results will be far without them. Only none of those in power has complied with the constitution, does not and will not abide. If the guarantor is spit on it, then what about the rest of the shobla?
  • would
    would 8 July 2020 07: 47 New
    0
    On the issue of enforcement or non-enforcement of judgments of the ECHR and the priority of law, the author (like most who talk about it) is mistaken. The mechanism of non-enforcement of judgments of the ECHR and the position that the Constitution is higher than the decisions of international courts were first formulated and applied back in 2013 in the well-known in narrow circles, absolutely non-political case of Konstantin Markin. Again, this mechanism was applied already in the well-known case of Yukos in 2017.

    So legally, the amendment on priority over international law does not add anything new, but simply duplicates this mechanism in the Constitution. Maybe something will change in fact ...
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 9 July 2020 22: 15 New
    -1
    The ECHR serves the bulkhead and similar bloody fighters. An ordinary citizen is not shining anything there.