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Indian Air Force veteran claims S-400 air defense weaknesses when deployed high in mountains in China

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The deployment of additional air defense systems of India is reported closer to the Ladakh region - on the border with China. According to recent reports, the Indian command decided to take this step due to the fact that China, according to intelligence, deployed the S-300 and S-400 air defense systems in Tibet.


Against this background, the information service Sputnik publishes an interview with a military analyst, Indian Air Force veteran Vijainder Thakur. In an interview with correspondent Rashikesh Kumar, Thakur said that China’s main goal in this regard is to gain a strategic advantage in the border areas. Moreover, as the expert notes, the deployment of air defense systems at high altitudes can play a negative role for those who carry out such an arrangement. In fact, we were talking about the "weaknesses" of the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system if the complex was placed high in the mountains.

From the material:

The average height of the Tibetan plateau is about 4,5 thousand meters. S-400 systems, located at an altitude of about 500 m, will be able to effectively detect aircraft and UAVs over long distances - long before they enter the airspace of the region. But if you place the S-400 at high altitudes, then the mountainous terrain may not allow them to detect Aviationflying at an altitude of about 5 km.

The Indian expert said he was skeptical that China would decide to deploy its next-generation J-20 fighter jets near the borders with India. According to V. Thakur, China might need such airplanes in case of a full-scale war with India, but “China will not gain anything from such a war”:

In any case, a total war with India would lead to an even greater alienation of China from the rest of the world. Such alienation would be a serious threat to the continued rule of the CCP (Communist Party of China).
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  1. The comment was deleted.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 4 July 2020 07: 09 New
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      Quote: Samara_63
      S-400, a good complex, but weak software, our programmers do not go to the military-industrial complex

      Yes, yes ... That is why American fighter jets whispered over the northwest of Syria. Apparently, American pilots simply do not know what is weak software there ...
      1. mdsr
        mdsr 4 July 2020 07: 24 New
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        Quote: Volodin
        Yes, yes ... That is why American fighter jets whispered over the northwest of Syria.

        In fairness, US UAVs periodically appear in the provinces of Aleppo and Idlib. Yesterday there was information that in the province of Idlib, an American UAV destroyed a car with one of the bearded commanders with a new missile, which cuts the target with knives.
        1. Charik
          Charik 4 July 2020 09: 11 New
          +6
          the rocket is not new and not knives but blades — and if the commander is bearded, it means well — who would interfere with this
      2. Avior
        Avior 4 July 2020 07: 33 New
        -8
        Israeli definitely not in the know
    2. Fungus
      Fungus 4 July 2020 07: 11 New
      +6
      Not tired of writing fake troll?
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 4 July 2020 08: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: Fungus
        Not tired of writing fake troll?

        So that's why he is a troll.
      2. free_flier
        free_flier 6 July 2020 00: 24 New
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        Yes, there’s a set - an Indian analyst ... from an altitude of 4,5 km the complex does not sit planes flying at an altitude of 5 km ...
        Enchanting delirium.
    3. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 4 July 2020 07: 12 New
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      Kind Vasily. As if everything is clear for you, everything was gone again. As I understand it, are you a serious IT specialist? My friend (KTN by the way) was lured from Gazprom to the defense industry by his salary and official cottage (he agreed to move) .At the expense of the Turks, too , to put it mildly, whistle. Reasons in the principled position of the United States and the cunning of the Sultan.
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        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 4 July 2020 07: 43 New
          +8
          Well, Vasily, This is already really overkill. We have been friends with families for more than 30 years now. I have more faith in my eyes than you. So, all the best.
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        2. orionvitt
          orionvitt 4 July 2020 09: 08 New
          +6
          Quote: Samara_63
          I will say this about our design engineers and programmers in the military-industrial complex .....

          I agree, you have "Kyeve", everything is exactly like that.
    4. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 4 July 2020 07: 26 New
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      Samara 63
      In vain you refused hospitalization.
      1. convoy
        convoy 4 July 2020 07: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Samara 63
        In vain you refused hospitalization.

        I confirm! laughing Turbid "tovaisch" ..
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 4 July 2020 08: 09 New
        +4
        Yes, he is Krainets. What can you take from him!
      3. ultra
        ultra 4 July 2020 10: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Pessimist22
        In vain you refused hospitalization.

        There are two options, or nothing will help the patient, but I am inclined to think that he is just very young, 13-14 years old. laughing
    5. Mitroha
      Mitroha 4 July 2020 07: 59 New
      +9
      Quote: Samara_63
      S-400, a good complex, but poor software, our programmers do not go to the military-industrial complex, because the solvers there pay well only to lawyers and economists.
      Turkey due to poor software has not yet put into operation the S-400
      Apparently the Turks will seek permission from Russia to install and adapt their software

      What enchanting nonsense.
      1. free_flier
        free_flier 6 July 2020 00: 21 New
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        The usual set ... a pig farm, a big shovel, and a working fan ...
    6. Local from the Volga
      Local from the Volga 4 July 2020 08: 13 New
      +8
      Stop shaming Samara, Vasya!
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      2. Vinnibuh
        Vinnibuh 4 July 2020 16: 39 New
        +1
        I support! Enough of Samara to dishonor a child!
    7. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 4 July 2020 09: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: Samara_63
      but weak software

      And how do you know from your 12 years?
      Quote: Samara_63
      due to poor software has not yet put into operation the S-400

      Rave. It is quite obvious, for adequate, that the process of combat training and political bargaining is underway.
      Turks will seek permission from Russia to install and adapt their software

      Nonsense.
  2. kenig1
    kenig1 4 July 2020 07: 10 New
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    The "Indian veteran" is evaluating the S-400, which he has seen only in booklets.
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 4 July 2020 09: 04 New
      +3
      I’m not special to judge whether an Indian is right or not, BUT. Even if he is right, let’s say. But there is no absolutely universal weapon. Any is developed for any conditions.
    2. muham
      muham 4 July 2020 09: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: kenig1
      the complex that he only saw in booklets.
      But this does not interfere with Mikhan F-35 to evaluate?
    3. snucerist
      snucerist 4 July 2020 09: 29 New
      -8
      Um ...
      Perhaps that is so.
      And where, let me ask you, was there an opportunity to observe in practice the fantastic work of the S-400?
      In what real battle did the complex manifest itself? How many planes shot down? Where can I admire their debris? In the same Syria?
      The answer from you, apparently, will not be.
      Therefore, we sinners can only admire the performance characteristics of the complex by the booklets. On pieces of paper. Don’t seek and reproach us for it. There are simply no options.
  3. convoy
    convoy 4 July 2020 07: 11 New
    +4
    I hope China and India are smart enough not to cling to each other ... The West is only dreaming about this! These are huge profits, etc.
    1. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 4 July 2020 07: 35 New
      +2
      Good morning Convoy. In a conflict (even a local one), both countries, which are nuclear powers, will fall under the pressure of sanctions of "anxious world dignity." The West is asleep and sees how to bend and slow down both rapidly developing economies. Indian "gate" in this penny situation.
      1. convoy
        convoy 4 July 2020 08: 02 New
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        Quote: zadorin1974
        Good morning convoy

        Kind of kind ...)))
        Quote: zadorin1974
        In the event of a conflict (even local), both countries, which are nuclear powers, will fall under the pressure of sanctions of "anxious world dignity." The West is asleep and sees how to bend and slow down both rapidly developing economies. in this situation, a penny.

        Well, the conflict can be without the use of nuclear weapons (although exchange of blows is possible) ..
        That's just to slow down the developing economies and try to pit them .. Especially when you consider how many trillions Amers owe to China, etc. Remember how the United States emerged from the great depression and became a world power.
        As we say "For whom the war, and for whom the mother is dear .."
        There are practically NO wars on the American continent, but Eurasia is blazing with conflicts and all US bases around Russia, etc. Why do you think?
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 4 July 2020 08: 15 New
          +2
          The use of nuclear weapons in a conflict between India and China should not even be considered. This is at the level of idiocy. To change the US public debt, the PRC is not in the same situation (very big money gives rise to big problems) freezing Chinese finances is the same as declaring default. Well, the bases are The circle of us is a topic for another discussion. wink
          1. convoy
            convoy 4 July 2020 08: 21 New
            +2
            Quote: zadorin1974
            The use of nuclear weapons in a conflict between India and China is not even worth considering. This is at the level of idiocy.

            How can I say these "comrades" are very ambitious and their population is off scale .. Anything can be. hi
            Quote: zadorin1974
            The situation is not the same for changing the US debt to China (very big money creates big problems) freezing Chinese finances is the same as declaring default

            Well, in principle, you’re right, Alexei, they think about writing off the debt of the United States all day and night. After all, they already have under 30 trillion .. accumulated. And this is chiri that can burst at any time, splashing the whole planet with pus of bloody .. negative
            Quote: zadorin1974
            Well, the base in our circle is a topic for another discussion.

            It is better not to start on this topic .. Good luck to you Alex! hi
            1. zadorin1974
              zadorin1974 4 July 2020 13: 21 New
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              wonderful weekend Convoy (by name it is better to get acquainted) drinks
              1. convoy
                convoy 4 July 2020 13: 27 New
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                Quote: zadorin1974
                wonderful weekend Convoy (by name it is better to get acquainted) drinks

                Yes, it’s not worth it .. I’m passing by and it’s better not to communicate with me .. hi drinks
                1. zadorin1974
                  zadorin1974 4 July 2020 13: 33 New
                  0
                  Education of SIR!)))))) Papa and Mom brought up this, a classic SOVIET education. I can not help myself request Something like this.
    2. alone
      alone 4 July 2020 11: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Konvoi
      China and India are smart enough not to cling to each other ... The West is only dreaming about this! These are huge profits, etc.

      If the mind would have solved this problem in 58 years .. They already fought in 1962 .. then the Indians were torn to shreds.
      As for profit, now all the leading exporters of armaments are just waiting for the mess to begin.
      1. convoy
        convoy 4 July 2020 13: 30 New
        -1
        Quote: lonely
        Quote: Konvoi
        China and India are smart enough not to cling to each other ... The West is only dreaming about this! These are huge profits, etc.

        If the mind would have solved this problem in 58 years .. They already fought in 1962 .. then the Indians were torn to shreds.
        As for profit, now all the leading exporters of armaments are just waiting for the mess to begin.

        Here I’m thinking more seriously .. The West needs war in Eurasia and urgently!
        They held back .. wink
        1. alone
          alone 4 July 2020 14: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: Konvoi
          Here I’m thinking more seriously .. The West needs war in Eurasia and urgently!
          They held back ..

          The war is now going on in Eurasia. Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan. The case in India. The largest exporter of weapons .. That's what they can’t wait for ... and not only the West .. All arms exporters.
  4. gx200gx
    gx200gx 4 July 2020 07: 19 New
    +5
    .
    S-400, a good complex, but weak software, our programmers do not go to the military-industrial complex
    It is interesting to know on the basis of what data you made such a conclusion? Justify if possible.
  5. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 4 July 2020 07: 22 New
    +2
    Comrade from India sitting at the C 400 control panel? News about nothing!
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 4 July 2020 07: 50 New
      +7
      Quote: tralflot1832
      The news is about nothing!

      These constant publications of "experts" Indian, Ukrainian, etc. or anything other than irritation, bewilderment on the editorial board does not cause VO. Immediately I remember Vysotsky's song "Letter to the editor of t / p" Obvious incredible "from a madhouse"
    2. muham
      muham 4 July 2020 09: 23 New
      -1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Comrade from India sitting at the C 400 control panel? News about nothing!
      And how many couches and experts sat or flew in the F-35? And aplomb seemed to fly to the moon.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 4 July 2020 09: 30 New
        +6
        I’m talking about this, and about our and Israeli comrades. But without the latter, it would be boring to VO.
  6. Avior
    Avior 4 July 2020 07: 41 New
    +9
    Either written like that, or else why, but it seems that most did not understand what it was about
    The Hindu says that if the air defense system in those conditions is located in the mountains even at a relatively high altitude, there will always be nearby higher mountains anyway, which will close the radar's view.
    Looks like they ripped a piece out of context from an interview.
    It does not concern the capabilities of the S-400; these are problems with the terrain.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 4 July 2020 07: 58 New
      +5
      I totally agree. If you place the C 400 near Everest on the Khumbu glacier, then you won't see anything in China because of this "slide".
    2. scientist
      scientist 4 July 2020 08: 38 New
      +5
      Quote: Avior
      these are problems with the terrain

      The higher the radar is placed, the smaller the closing angles are - this is elementary physics. Accordingly, the higher the air defense system, the better. The only serious height restriction is the power supply system. For every 300 m, an internal combustion engine loses about 3% of its power. There is also a problem with the dielectric strength of the waveguides, but there, as well as with ESA diesels, forced boost is used. Therefore, the only real problem of placing the S-400 in the mountains is how to drag it there.
      1. Avior
        Avior 4 July 2020 10: 13 New
        +1
        The problem in those mountains is that there are many very high mountains. After all, the Himalayas are the highest mountains on the planet, with an average height of 6000 meters.
        Therefore, even if you place an air defense system - any air defense system, not only the S-400 - in those mountains, even at an altitude of 4500 m, this will not only create great difficulties in operation, but even higher mountains that will be significant degrees to cover radar and create significant blind spots.
        This is an Indian and explained.
        1. VyacheSeymour
          VyacheSeymour 4 July 2020 15: 09 New
          +2
          I stopped at your comment as the one closest to understanding what was said by an Indian veteran ...- a comment deprived of the use of the chest as a tambourine for the heel ...
          Thanks to the Internet, God allows people who did not have an idea of ​​the principles of operation of air defense systems to draw from it momentary knowledge and find them immediately in it. This also applies to the publisher of the words of the Indian - well, the correspondent does not have to be in the subject!
          Although he honestly, without pretending to be anything, conveyed the words of an Indian expert to the public ...
          The average height of the Tibetan plateau is about 4,5 thousand meters. S-400 systems, located at an altitude of about 500 m, will be able to effectively detect aircraft and UAVs over long distances - long before they enter the airspace of the region. But if you place the S-400 at high altitudes, the mountainous terrain may not allow them to detect aircraft flying at an altitude of about 5 km.

          -Another question is the translation of the words of an Indian expert:
          .... But if you place the S-400 at high altitudes, the mountainous terrain may not allow them to detect aircraft flying at an altitude of about 5 km.

          where "... at an altitude of up to 5 km" turned into "... at an altitude of about 5 km"! And this is a very big difference in the sense ...
          Therefore, let’s leave the battlefield behind the grief experts, and sympathizing
          Hindu (the man is clearly in the subject) try simple to figure out what's what ...
          YOUR comedy:

          The problem in those mountains is that there are many very high mountains. After all, the Himalayas are the highest mountains on the planet, with an average height of 6000 meters.
          Therefore, even if you place an air defense system - any air defense system, not only the S-400 - in those mountains, even at an altitude of 4500 m, this will not only create great difficulties in operation, but even higher mountains that will be significant degrees to cover radar and create significant blind spots.
          This is an Indian and explained.


          I’ll try to clarify what the Indian wanted to say ....
          The S-300 and S-400, although outstanding, but ballistic anti-aircraft defense systems, are specifically anti-aircraft !!! ... that is, manufactured, sharpened to destroy everything that is at a level above
          the complex itself !!!
          The basic problem is not, Location at such heights will lead to the formation of blind spots as a result of MORE higher mountains, but that may lead to a mismatch of coordination systems
          and mutual orientation ... I will say as simple as possible: - WHAT altitude of the target will the radar indicate after the topographic location on the terrain of the targeting station and the launchers attached to it ??? - from the location of the topographic location (4500 at sea level)
          or from sea level ???
          If from sea level (and C400 is 4500m higher), then you need topography for hell? ...- swallow such a backlash, not a single one that decisively resolves.
          If from the topographic location, then minus parameters will appear
          in height - try to explain to the air defense system that you are not crazy, and you are not going to drive the miners ...
          HINDU QUOTATION:
          S-400 systems, located at an altitude of about 500 m, will be able to effectively detect aircraft and UAVs over long distances - long before they enter the airspace of the region.

          ... 500m - This is what the equipment of the complex is capable of swallowing, and having improved the range and altitude parameters!
          Any radar has extreme angular parameters in elevation:
          -And now I propose to recall the parameters of the S-400 ... in which there is not even a hint of detection and defeat of targets at minus altitude - that is, underground.
          So in vain, here the majority took up arms against an Indian veteran!
          I did not see a single hint of doubt in the parameters of the S-400!
          A man in the subject ... those to whom he wanted to convey his words - heard.
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  8. Local from the Volga
    Local from the Volga 4 July 2020 08: 12 New
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    Kumar with Thakur !! Well, I see ... We got to tha, apparently!)
  9. Lesorub
    Lesorub 4 July 2020 08: 14 New
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    Against this background, Sputnik news agency publishes an interview with a military analyst, Indian Air Force veteran Vijainder Thakur

    This babble resembles a kindergarten, an offended boy who doesn’t have a toy like a neighbor - India does not have the C 400 complex because of its swagger and indecision, and when China placed these complexes near the border, India has nothing to answer - these are all kinds of experts and appear in the press .
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 July 2020 09: 17 New
    +1
    And what else can the Indian "expert" say in the situation of tension on the border with China over the disputed territories? In addition, the Chinese already have S-400s, and India is only going to acquire them. Let it be better to "apply" each other in the information field than in a real combat situation.
    1. Marconi41
      Marconi41 4 July 2020 12: 23 New
      -1
      wink
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Let it be better to "apply" each other in the information field than in a real combat situation.

      That's for sure. Otherwise, the S-400 will shoot down the Su-30, and we will not even understand who to root for in this mess. wink
  11. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 4 July 2020 10: 03 New
    -1
    Still did not understand, this uncle is an expert on the Air Force, air defense or foreign policy?))) Or is he a "wide profile" machine operator?
  12. Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 4 July 2020 11: 11 New
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    Quote: Lesorub
    Against this background, Sputnik news agency publishes an interview with a military analyst, Indian Air Force veteran Vijainder Thakur

    This babble resembles a kindergarten, an offended boy who doesn’t have a toy like a neighbor - India does not have the C 400 complex because of its swagger and indecision, and when China placed these complexes near the border, India has nothing to answer - these are all kinds of experts and appear in the press .


    Why there’s nothing, quite an answer, although thinner than China.
    The Indian simply pays attention to the fact that the area is mountainous and has its own characteristics. If you are sitting on the highest mountain, then you see very far and huge areas, as the opposite is true, there are mountains nearby that also cover huge spaces from you in length and height. Perhaps China Air Defense controls the airspace in the disputed area due to its convenient location. But there is a minus enemy aircraft can get pretty close with impunity. This is usually not very good for air defense.
  13. xomaNN
    xomaNN 4 July 2020 11: 42 New
    +1
    Syrian practice has confirmed the theory of an integrated multi-echelon air defense system. So, especially in connection with mountain elevations: S400-S300- Buk M air defense - PantsirS-PZRK. (Or their foreign analogues)
  14. 013Azer
    013Azer 4 July 2020 11: 55 New
    +5
    To our great regret, the current "cyber generation" who are fighting on websites and forums (which I personally belong to) think so - an air defense system that missed a missile / UAV is a bad complex, there is no place for it in the troops. Or an Airplane / UAV / missile (bayraktar, anka, etc.) destroyed by air defense systems have no right to exist, and that they are bad ..
    This is how they exist in order to fight, sometimes to be defeated, sometimes to win. Or when the Saudi air defense systems missed the enemy attack UAVs, failing to destroy them, some said "American air defense systems are bullshit", and when Russian air defense systems are destroyed, then "the crew is a stupid Bedouin", the complex has nothing to do with it. Double standards of thinking on the face.
    I beg some members of the forum not to resort to such thinking, to look at things soberly, and not to swear because of this.
    Peace to all.
    1. VyacheSeymour
      VyacheSeymour 4 July 2020 15: 50 New
      +1
      This is how they exist in order to fight, sometimes to be defeated, sometimes to win. Or when the Saudi air defense systems missed the enemy attack UAVs, failing to destroy them, some said "American air defense systems are bullshit", and when Russian air defense systems are destroyed, then the "stupid Bedouin crew" has nothing to do with the complex.

      Often fighting is compared to chess ....- But, in my opinion, chess is politics ... And war is closer to football ... With its coordination, concentration of forces, attack, attack, breakthrough, evasion, retreat, defense, defense, loss of players ... where the goalkeeper is the last frontier. It would seem - put a brilliant goalkeeper ... and that's it - the championship is in your pocket ...- but no, and there will be a liar for the old woman!
      Victory is a common result, but not merit, for example, only a coach ...
  15. Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 4 July 2020 15: 10 New
    +1
    do better
  16. chingachguc
    chingachguc 4 July 2020 19: 36 New
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    how much any turbidity carries from the open spaces of the media. I’m far from idealizing Russian weapons, but I also need to be able to drive the blizzard ...

    Mountains can close the radar's view, they can prevent deployment, but what does the quality of the weapon have to do with it? Take ANY air defense system - and you will get exactly the same. This is a natural factor. The same can be said: in an underwater war, Russian S-400s are completely useless. Therefore, the S-400 is bad.
  17. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 4 July 2020 20: 07 New
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    Trakhura poneslo. :)
  18. Russian America
    Russian America 5 July 2020 02: 23 New
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    Hindus are gypsies. Without conscience, without, honor, without mind. Listening to them is like listening to ravings of Nazi Nazis
  19. Charik
    Charik 6 July 2020 22: 47 New
    -1
    Weakness in Indians will begin in the stomach - when they run into C400