“If you were going to cross the Donetsk rivers, they’ll drown there”: expert on training APU tankers

In the center of combat training "Desna" began to train crews tanks APU for forcing water barriers, including for underwater forcing rivers.

We are talking about arranging this type of training at the 169th training center of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, where a two-level complex of the so-called light-diving training of tank crews was previously built.

The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine notes that the main advantage of this complex is that classes can be conducted without leaving the crews on a particular body of water. Accordingly, preparation can be carried out at any time of the year in any weather conditions.

From the message of the Ukrainian command:

And also it saves time and fuel.

It is noted that tankers can improve their skills of forcing water barriers using a model of a tank tower under water at a certain depth.

The complex is equipped with an emergency water discharge system. In a critical situation, water can be drained within 10 seconds.

From the report:

The personnel during training uses lightweight gas masks IP-5 - personal protective equipment that can be used at a depth of up to 7 meters.

Is this training a segment of the planned training of Ukrainian tankmen, or can it be fraught with new provocations of Ukrainian security forces in the Donbass?

A military expert, a member of the presidium of the organization Russian Officers, retired colonel Viktor Baranets, answered this question to Military Review.

Viktor Baranets notes that in the past he himself was a tanker trained in Ukraine:

Preparation for crossing rivers was previously included in the compulsory training program. Well, if we assume that the Ukrainian military was going to cross the Donetsk rivers, then they would drown there. Generally speaking, in order to incapacitate a tank during the forcing of a water barrier, a lot is not necessary, especially since the pipe is forced out during forcing - it is clearly visible. It’s enough to even throw a grenade so that this pipe is smashed and water pours into the fighting compartment of the tank.

According to the expert, there is no need to escalate, but this needs to be watched.

Victor Baranets:

Still, you need to carefully monitor why in Ukraine they suddenly decided to turn their tank troops into this section of combat training. Despite the fact that in recent years everything has come down to collecting one of the 20 tanks of Soviet construction.

Video material about the Ukrainian training center (published at the end of May of this year):

Comments

[Lopatov]

The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine notes that the main advantage of this complex is that classes can be carried out without leaving the crews on a particular body of water.

With such "literacy" they really "will drown there."

In general, such preparation is a very necessary thing. However, it addresses the issue of salvation from the tank, and not the issue of forcing.
So it won't work without the crews leaving. And "saving time and fuel" will not work either.

[carstorm 11]

you are not quite right. this and that is processed. salvation in the bath, like these non-warriors, is also a mandatory exercise. with him, in principle, preparation begins. and until the crew learns how to get out of their cars in such controlled conditions, no one will let them out into open natural reservoirs. and there, training will go specifically for forcing. no one on open water will train the crew to rescue.

[Lopatov]

Quote: carstorm 11

you are not quite right. practiced both this and that.

No.
You can practice bandaging as much as you like in the barracks, but this does not mean that you can not go to the fields to work out the topic of "separation in defense"

[carstorm 11]

no no yes yes) salvation is an automatic movement that the crew needs to be trained in the bath. those. controlled flooding process. in an emergency, to drastically drop water. in my experience, panic always begins with the understanding that you are under water. the crew being in the car in case of an emergency should only make one-correctly leave the car. nobody will allow doing this in an open water body during forcing. only special pools or simple baths. even for the usual certificate for diving, the first time you study only in the pool. Forcing a reservoir in itself is a difficult exercise and it was still not enough to let out crews who could not get out of the car normally.

[Lopatov]

Quote: carstorm 11

no no yes)

That is, you are convinced that after diving training you can not bother with any real actions for teaching underwater driving. they are ready, I understand correctly?

[carstorm 11]

not right) without one there is no other. no one will release the crew without basic rescue training. and she’s only in the bath. in open water, the crew should be ready to leave the car. in open water, no one teaches salvation. we specially needed tanks to sink according to yours?) leaving the machine is possible only after its flooding, actually.

[credo]

Quote: Spade

Quote: carstorm 11

no no yes)

That is, you are convinced that after diving training you can not bother with any real actions for teaching underwater driving. they are ready, I understand correctly?

Tanking water obstacles in the underwater position is possible only if these obstacles are shallow and have a strong (not muddy) bottom.
And if the tank is stuck at the bottom, the emergency exit training program is one of the main purposes of such training. Technique is only a pity.
For me, tanks are the best way to overcome such obstacles on pontoons or on a pontoon bridge, if there is no bridge, or at worst to ford.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Spade

light diving training

how is it? .... I read an article on the Internet how to put on a mask of fins and where to insert the mouthpiece?))))))

[Avior]

Ip5
There is a mask, not a mouthpiece

[Avior]

Look at the video at the end of the article, including the formation at the training ground.

[oldzek]

listen to the tankman. this training program is more than 50 years old. I myself, before getting into the water in the tank, learned to get out of it in an emergency. Yes, and (almost forgot) there are people who cannot (are afraid of enclosed spaces) normally act in such We had to write off one company in our company ... in my opinion as a cook.

[Undecim]

The news is a vivid example of propaganda idiocy intended solely to maintain tone in turbopatriot hamsters.
The light-diving training of the crews of tanks, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles from the time of the Soviet Army has always been the first stage of training to overcome water barriers and was carried out in the pool or on special flooded simulators, without the crew leaving the pond.
Our training was on the shore of the Southern Bug, but diving training took place in the pool.
Because the news is about nothing.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Undecim

Because the news is about nothing.

As times - "about what."

Quote: Undecim

always was first stage training to overcome water barriers and was carried out in the pool or on special flooded simulators,

Wow. The key combination is "the first stage". With the same it is not clear - is it only the first stage, or are they going to flounder in the pool during the whole study. In short, the topic is not disclosed.

[Avior]

Watch the video
There the whole training cycle is shown

[Pavel73]

The news is about something. That they resumed such training. And certainly not against NATO.

[The leader of the Redskins]

I agree. Standard exercises. And I went through these. Only the tower was welded, home-made. But the hatches are natural. And the pool is big. Tiled.
And the waterway is across the road. With a concrete race, with a pontoon, which you had to call in to train, and a separate section for swimming in the BMP.

[Cat]

With the same success, you can arrange classes on ZOMP. Let them at least do something, otherwise they will drink vodka and disassemble the grenades.

[Russ]

if we assume that the Ukrainian military gathered to cross the Donetsk rivers, then they will drown there.

Amen!

[Narak-zempo]

In case of emergency, water can be drained within 10 seconds

Hmm. "Put out the lights, drain the water."

[Cat]

drain the water

I wonder if they are caring for water at the all-Ukrainian tariffs or dragging buckets from the river? If according to tariffs, it will be cheaper not to drain, wait for the next drowning person and subtract from the content

[Pavel73]

They remembered how the Germans crossed the Bug in 1941 in submarine tanks. The heirs of the "military glory" of the Third Reich ...

[Ros 56]

As if they didn’t collide with a submarine, because they didn’t learn the rules of underwater driving, as there were obstacles to the right, and they didn’t set traffic lights.

[Felix]

I served there in the late 80s. Who would have thought that the guards unit would be turned into a Bandera school???

[22 dmdc]

Quote: Felix

I served there in the late 80s. Who would have thought that the guards unit would be turned into a Bandera school???

They say it was the favorite division of the USSR Ministry of Defense Marshal Grechko. Trained in 1978

[vladimych]

They built a good complex, the right one. And the money was found. Reptiles.

[Reader 2013]

Stupid article

[Krasnoyarsk]

= The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine notes that the main advantage of this complex is that classes can be carried out without crews leaving for a particular reservoir [/ quote]
As I understand it, the main thing in these studies is not to teach the crews to force water barriers. and learn to get out of a drowned tank in time.

[Prisoner]

I understand that if a tank crashes and the crew goes through a survival training. But in the presence of modern engineering means, it perts in the tank into the river ... Masochism and stupidity!

[Imperial Technocrat]

Another fertilizer for Donetsk steppes

[lvov_aleksey]

the video falls out by mistake - not popular apparently