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How much money is needed for life: in Russia the desired family income is named

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How much per month will an acceptable standard of living cost a Russian family? This question was asked by Romir holding specialists and conducted a corresponding survey.


Demands rise in proportion to prices


As it was found out in the process of sociological research conducted by the Romir holding, the Russian family needs 85,7 thousand rubles a month for a “normal life”. A year ago, for a month of life, according to the same calculations, 7,7 thousand rubles less were required. That is, the demands of the Russians have grown. We can say that this is due to inflation, since prices for many products and services have increased much more than the average inflation rate reported by the authorities.

The survey conducted by Romir Holding involved 1,5 Russians over 18 years of age living in various types of settlements and in all federal districts of the Russian Federation. According to the survey, 22% of respondents would be satisfied with a family budget in the amount of 60 thousand to 90 thousand rubles per month.

Another 22% believe that a comfortable life requires more than 120 thousand rubles a month for a family of three, and 21% - amounts between 90 thousand and 120 thousand rubles. More modest figures, from 45 thousand to 60 thousand rubles, were named by 18% of respondents. Only 4% are ready to live a family for 20-30 thousand rubles, and 2% - for money less than 20 thousand rubles a month.

It is noteworthy that with a desired income of 85,7 thousand rubles for a family of three people, Russians, according to another Romir survey, in May 2020 wanted to receive an average of 74 thousand rubles in their hands. Moreover, it seems that the pandemic made adjustments to the desired salary: in January 2020, the Russians wanted to receive “clean” 92 thousand rubles a month.

They get even more than they want. But is that true?


Interestingly, in 2020 the average income of Russians also turned out to be greater than before: it amounted to 86,8 thousand rubles with a desired income of 85,7 thousand rubles. That is, even 1,1 thousand rubles more in favor of income. However, it must be understood that these figures are very arbitrary and reflect little of the real situation.

Firstly, we are talking about family income, where two adults work. In reality, the incomes of Russian families look completely different: it can be a family with a small child, a mother on maternity leave with an allowance of 5 and a father earning even 50 thousand rubles. Total 55 thousand rubles for three, which is 30 thousand rubles less than the desired income. If the breadwinner loses his job or is temporarily unemployed, like workers in many Russian industries during the period of self-isolation, then the standard of living of the family decreases catastrophically.

Secondly, regional features play a very important role. In the regions - different prices for goods and services, different salaries and different expectations. One hundred thousand rubles in Moscow, in Chukotka and in the Rostov region - different money. But even within the framework of one region there are very significant differences, especially noticeable in the example of real estate: for the cost of a studio in a new house in the regional center, you can buy a good private house in the regional center. Accordingly, rental prices differ.


The presence of a mortgage or the need to rent housing is one of the main problems of young families

You can’t buy a dormitory room in one city, but in another it will be a poor, but own apartment. True, in cities with a low cost of real estate, not to mention the village, there are very big problems with work - it either does not exist or is offered for scanty wages.

Thirdly, the desired income is determined by the expectations of each individual person, and these expectations are very different and depend on age, gender, profession, qualification, marital status. So, a 20-year-old girl studying at the institute and earning money as a laboratory assistant may consider it a very good income and 30 thousand rubles a month, but it’s foolish to expect that the expectations will be the same for a 35-year-old IT specialist or, say, a married sailor and having a child.

In fact, most of the Russian families, especially in the provinces, either live on less money, or somehow try to maintain a higher standard of living, but pay for it with constant processing, and, ultimately, their health. Also, do not forget about the high debt load of the population.
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  1. Aleksandre
    Aleksandre 3 July 2020 16: 24
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    The guarantor said, 17 thousand - the middle class, the people snickered wassat
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 3 July 2020 16: 26
      18
      Quote: Aleksandre
      The guarantor said, 17 thousand - the middle class, the people snickered wassat

      Yes, the greedy people got ... everyone wants to live better .. But in fact, a family of 90 people needs 4 tons a month .. this is a minimum .. more is better. But by the standards of the guarantor, this is already an extremely rich family .. True he has this measure in the relations of ordinary citizens, but the TOP managers he earns a few lyamov a day ..
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 3 July 2020 20: 21
        -23 qualifying.
        Quote: Svarog
        True, he has this measure in the relations of ordinary citizens, but the TOP managers he earns a few lyamov a day ..

        Why aren't you a "top manager"? Instead of get-togethers at VO, go to some university thread, advance in your career ... You look, you will go to 90 kr for each family member. And the mood will improve ... laughing
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 3 July 2020 21: 28
          13
          Quote: Hagen
          Quote: Svarog
          True, he has this measure in the relations of ordinary citizens, but the TOP managers he earns a few lyamov a day ..

          Why aren't you a "top manager"? Instead of get-togethers at VO, go to some university thread, advance in your career ... You look, you will go to 90 kr for each family member. And the mood will improve ... laughing

          I’m just the top manager and my snb is more substantial .. only unlike you .. (those who only think about their ass) I think of people .. of whom there are many different in my environment ..
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 3 July 2020 21: 41
            -20 qualifying.
            Quote: Svarog
            I think of people ..

            And how are the results? Have you brought many out of poverty? laughing ... And you let them think for themselves. Those who really want something and are ready to work on fulfilling the desired, always have the opportunity, if not to achieve it completely, then to approach the goal.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 3 July 2020 21: 44
              15
              Quote: Hagen
              Quote: Svarog
              I think of people ..

              And how are the results? Have you brought many out of poverty? laughing ... And you let them think for themselves. Those who really want something and are ready to work on fulfilling the desired, always have the opportunity, if not to achieve it completely, then to approach the goal.

              Young man .. I brought out several serious offices that were on the verge of ruin, thereby preserving the jobs of over 7000 people .. And I don’t tell you what to do .. Pimples when they get off our face then we'll talk ..
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 3 July 2020 21: 48
                -15 qualifying.
                Quote: Svarog
                I brought out some serious offices,

                Well, yes, I do. Here are all the astronauts wassat Here you are rude professionally.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 3 July 2020 21: 52
                  13
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Quote: Svarog
                  I brought out some serious offices,

                  Well, yes, I do. Here are all the astronauts wassat Here you are rude professionally.

                  Yes, I’m not at all interested in what you believe .. it’s enough to look at your comments to understand who is in front of you, but when you are talking with adults, do not rush to teach them .. then you don’t have to complain about rudeness ..
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 3 July 2020 22: 07
                    -14 qualifying.
                    Quote: Svarog
                    Yes, I'm not at all interested in what you believe.

                    Your sad fantasies are not interesting to me either.
                  2. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 3 July 2020 22: 26
                    -5
                    Quote: Svarog
                    Yes, I'm not at all interested in what you believe ..

                    So it’s interesting about me, but not here. winked Double standards my friend sad As in the CPSU-After a lecture on universal equality in the dispenser for the set tongue
              2. ssergey1978
                ssergey1978 4 July 2020 16: 48
                0
                and you are funny
        2. haanan
          haanan 3 July 2020 22: 19
          +4
          Did your mood improve due to your rough tongue?
        3. Stalllker
          Stalllker 4 July 2020 03: 04
          +9
          The university does not always decide, more connections help
        4. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 4 July 2020 03: 30
          +6
          Quote: Hagen
          advance your career ...

          And what is it?
          1. vadimtt
            vadimtt 6 July 2020 21: 58
            +1
            Quote: mordvin xnumx

            And what is it?


            This concept depends on time:
            It used to be: Stole, drank - to prison!
            And now it became: Stole, shared - career!
            Longer variations are possible: Bought a place, steal, share - career!
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 6 July 2020 22: 12
              0
              Quote: vadimtt
              Longer variations are possible: Bought a place, steal, share - career!

              You know, I don’t give a damn about this word.
      2. bandabas
        bandabas 4 July 2020 08: 41
        +8
        On trifles pennies threw to vote. Soon they will begin to take back ... in a multiple size.
      3. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 4 July 2020 13: 19
        +6
        Well, I have a salary of over 100. For one. I live the truth on Sakhalin, everything is expensive with us. I think somewhere in the Middle lane this corresponds to 60. But I can’t say that this is dofiga. Of course, I have enough for life, I buy food without looking at the price, put it off for a rainy day, and go on vacation. But to make, for example, a serious repair and already a plug. Our masters believe that everything around is millionaires ...
        1. bandabas
          bandabas 5 July 2020 01: 37
          +1
          And I remember cod fillets of 35 kopecks each in the Murmansk region. And, there was also live fish in the pools.
    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta 3 July 2020 16: 27
      20
      Quote: Aleksandre
      The guarantor said, 17 thousand - the middle class, the people snickered

      He has long been not a people, but against the people! In fact, the minimum wage should be at least 25 thousand rubles !!!
      1. Sandor Clegane
        Sandor Clegane 3 July 2020 18: 51
        11
        Quote: Malyuta
        In fact, the minimum wage should be at least 25 thousand rubles !!!

        subtract the communal apartment and what remains? at least 35 thousand rubles, and the average salary should be 50-65 thousand rubles
      2. Hagen
        Hagen 3 July 2020 20: 26
        -14 qualifying.
        Quote: Malyuta
        He has long been not a people, but against the people!

        If he was against the people, then today you would not be afraid to write what you write, but in the kitchen you would not dare to sit close to the outlet.
      3. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 3 July 2020 22: 12
        16
        Quote: Malyuta
        In fact, the minimum wage should be at least 25 thousand rubles !!!

        In fact, you need to start with the fact that the minimum wage is calculated on an hourly basis. Here we take for example the diggers who received from us, while working in the Kirov region, 28.600. It seems to be nice for 2014. Especially for Vyatka, especially for completely unskilled work. BUT. This is not bad at 8 hours a day and five days. And if the weekend is 4 per month? And the working day is 13 hours? 84 re per hour comes out. At today's exchange rate of 1.18 dollars. Зп at the level of very central Asia, or very equatorial Africa. And yes, 12-13 hours is now the norm rather than an exception to the rule. At least for hard workers.
        From here it is also necessary to begin to dance.
        1. tacet
          tacet 4 July 2020 08: 52
          -4
          Well, let's dance. And what advantages over "very Central Asia" or "very equatorial Africa" ​​can a hard worker "for completely unskilled jobs" have? If not, what are we complaining about?
      4. muham
        muham 4 July 2020 13: 26
        0
        Quote: Malyuta
        He has long been not a people, but against the people!
        And the people are behind him, but how could they all vote for him,
    3. CSKA
      CSKA 3 July 2020 16: 51
      -14 qualifying.
      Quote: Aleksandre
      The guarantor said, 17 thousand - the middle class, the people snickered

      He didn’t say that. In an interview with TASS, he explained that from the World Bank methodology, according to which the middle class can be classified as those people whose income is one and a half times the minimum wage.
      Putin recalled that the minimum wage in Russia is a little more than 11 thousand rubles, which means that the middle class is people who receive from about 17 thousand rubles. “We have a lot of such people, confidently over 70%,” the head of state said.
      The head of state agreed so that “the middle class is different in every country”and therefore it is impossible to compare the situation in Russia with the standard of living in France, Germany or the United States.
      1. Aleksandre
        Aleksandre 3 July 2020 17: 23
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        Quote: CSKA
        He didn’t say that. In an interview with TASS, he explained that from the World Bank methodology, according to which the middle class can be classified as those people whose income is one and a half times the minimum wage.
        Putin recalled that the minimum wage in Russia is a little more than 11 thousand rubles, which means that the middle class is people who receive from about 17 thousand rubles. “We have a lot of such people, confidently over 70%,” the head of state said.
        The head of state agreed so that “the middle class is different in every country”and therefore it is impossible to compare the situation in Russia with the standard of living in France, Germany or the United States.

        Do you still think that if you say the same thing in other words, and sometimes underline it, then the meaning will completely change?

        17 thousand - this is a communal apartment in a communal apartment, travel from work to work and macaroni.
        17 thousand is a working beggar.
        17 thousand and the middle class is an oxymoron even in Russia.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 4 July 2020 03: 40
          +2
          Quote: Aleksandre
          17 thousand is a working beggar.

          Do not ring. For example, I get less than 17 thousand. Everything is fine. I’ll raise a bull-calf, I will find a glass in the garbage dump, I will buy alcohol in a pharmacy for 60 rubles ... And I will climb home, opening the hatch ajar.
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 4 July 2020 11: 47
            -2
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Do not ring. For example, I get less than 17 thousand. Everything is fine. I’ll raise a bull-calf, I will find a glass in the garbage dump, I will buy alcohol in a pharmacy for 60 rubles ... And I will climb home, opening the hatch ajar.

            Well of course ZIL. That's exactly what you get. At the same time you see you live in mansions of spruce, pay 10 thousand for housing and communal services. But what about your song about a locksmith with many years of experience? Maybe you are a lazy dog ​​with many years of experience who just doesn’t want to strain much to work?
          2. ssergey1978
            ssergey1978 4 July 2020 16: 52
            0
            You are lying all at ZP less than 17 thousand hatch you had to pass in ferrous metal.
        2. CSKA
          CSKA 4 July 2020 11: 45
          -4
          Quote: Aleksandre
          Do you still think that if you say the same thing in other words, and sometimes underline it, then the meaning will completely change?

          But he actually changed. Everything needs to be sorted out by people like you on the shelves, they themselves are not able to turn on. Again.
          Calculation of the middle class according World Bank methodologiesand not the methods of Putin or Xi Jinping, this is a person’s income 1,5 times the minimum wage. And the president says that we have a lot of such people, but at the same time he explains that the World Bank thinks so, and in general, the middle class in each country needs to be calculated differently. But you just don’t seem to want to think, the main thing is to criticize.
          1. Aleksandre
            Aleksandre 4 July 2020 12: 01
            +4
            Quote: CSKA
            But you just don’t seem to want to think, the main thing is to criticize.

            I’m hinting - let’s the minimum wage make 5 thousand rubles? Then we will not have a lower middle class at all. You really sometimes better to chew than not understanding yourself to try to explain something to someone else.
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 8 July 2020 15: 05
              0
              Quote: Aleksandre
              I’m hinting - let’s the minimum wage make 5 thousand rubles? Then we will not have a lower middle class at all. You really sometimes better to chew than not understanding yourself to try to explain something to someone else.

              You’ll be the one who will tell you that the so-called “thinker” should start working, so no, it still doesn’t work out. What sash on the shelves I laid out for you, but there is nothing to answer, so I decided to snitch?)))))
              1. Aleksandre
                Aleksandre 8 July 2020 15: 15
                0
                Quote: CSKA
                Quote: Aleksandre
                I’m hinting - let’s the minimum wage make 5 thousand rubles? Then we will not have a lower middle class at all. You really sometimes better to chew than not understanding yourself to try to explain something to someone else.

                You’ll be the one who will tell you that the so-called “thinker” should start working, so no, it still doesn’t work out. What sash on the shelves I laid out for you, but there is nothing to answer, so I decided to snitch?)))))

                On the Internet, and not only, some kind of epidemic of sad clowns. They utter with their mouths some sounds remotely resembling speech, require discussion, after which they shout that the opponent has merged and are running to show off to mom.
                1. CSKA
                  CSKA 8 July 2020 16: 49
                  0
                  Quote: Aleksandre
                  On the Internet, and not only, some kind of epidemic of sad clowns. They utter with their mouths some sounds remotely resembling speech, require discussion, after which they shout that the opponent has merged and are running to show off to mom.

                  Well, I'm not surprised, chatter again. I don’t need discussions from you. Do not pull. Again. You’ve put everything on the shelves, what the president said, since he himself didn’t. If the next time you don’t understand what clever people say, you’re welcome, I’ll decompose you again, since I myself am not capable.
                  1. Aleksandre
                    Aleksandre 8 July 2020 16: 59
                    0
                    Quote: CSKA
                    Well, I'm not surprised, chatter again. I don’t need discussions from you. Do not pull. Again. You’ve put everything on the shelves, what the president said, since he himself didn’t. If the next time you don’t understand what clever people say, you’re welcome, I’ll decompose you again, since I myself am not capable.

                    Uuu, I recently came across such a "teacher", a lime in my head, repeating like a mantra the same argument for a dozen of mine, while absolutely sincerely believing that he was "teaching" something there, which brought me a lot in the sense of laughing. Here's one more pulled up, I think not the last. I'm talking about an epidemic.
                    1. CSKA
                      CSKA 9 July 2020 11: 37
                      0
                      Quote: Aleksandre
                      the same argument on a dozen of mine

                      You have no reason. You don’t even hear what our president is saying. What are you arguing about then? Not able to read or at least hear what a person is saying, so what to talk about with you? I thought to myself that I wanted to wind it up, but you persecute the president.
                      So it turns out that now you are trying to go to another steppe to the place of saying: "Yes, I did not understand what the president meant."
                      As one person wrote to me correctly in this article:
                      Quote: Hagen
                      People gather here who hear not as it was said, but as they would like to hear.
        3. atalef
          atalef 4 July 2020 17: 03
          +3
          Quote: Aleksandre
          m didn’t say so. In an interview with TASS, he explained that he proceeds from the methodology of the World Bank, according to which the middle class can include those people whose income is one and a half times the minimum wage

          generally not right
          This is how the middle class is calculated
          The middle class is usually defined as a population whose income is between 75% and 125% of median income. Median income, that is, such that half the population receives less and half the population more than it

          Median salary - This is an indicator that allows you to assess the real incomes of the population and reflects the real state of affairs in the field of employee income. the median salary in Russia amounted to about 34,5 thousand rubles in April 2019 More details: https://clubtk.ru/chto-takoe-mediannaya-zarplata

          the middle class cannot be with 17 thousand
          There is nothing to refer here to tap the World Bank.
          I'm not saying that the middle class is also divided into several levels of shopping malls; one of the main criteria is the place of residence.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 4 July 2020 17: 20
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            the middle class cannot be with 17 thousand

            This in your prosaic Israel cannot. And in fabulous Russia, nothing is impossible. laughing
            1. atalef
              atalef 4 July 2020 17: 22
              +2
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Quote: atalef
              the middle class cannot be with 17 thousand

              This in your prosaic Israel cannot. And in fabulous Russia, nothing is impossible. laughing

              well, it’s not the same with us, and a person with a middle-class income in the periphery cannot be considered such - say, if he moves to Tel Aviv.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 4 July 2020 17: 26
                +1
                Wow. Suddenly capitalism is the same everywhere.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 4 July 2020 17: 27
                  -1
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  Wow. Suddenly capitalism is the same everywhere.

                  this socialism has many faces - but with one end result - the priest.
                  But capitalism is the same - but they live differently.
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 4 July 2020 17: 31
                    +2
                    Quote: atalef
                    but with one end result - the priest.

                    Judging by the fact that we are now observing, the world economy is undergoing intensive construction of socialism.
                    Quote: atalef
                    But capitalism is the same - but they live differently.

                    Sure. Poor poor then even poorer, rich rich, then even richer.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 4 July 2020 17: 55
                      0
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      Judging by the fact that we are now observing, the world economy is undergoing intensive construction of socialism.


                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      Sure. Poor poor then even poorer, rich rich, then even richer.

                      No, it’s not a fact.
                      Education and education again.
                      Well, the desire to work of course.
                      1. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 4 July 2020 19: 17
                        +2
                        I think it’s clear without translation. But for our slow-witted friends from sunny Israel, I can explain popularly. Fucking things in the global economy.
                        Quote: atalef
                        Education and education again.
                        Well, the desire to work of course.

                        It is a pity that such an economic structure in which all directors, top managers and other oligarchs happens only in fairy tales. And in real life, neither a goldfish, nor a tablecloth were imported.
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 4 July 2020 20: 21
                        0
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Fucking things in the global economy.

                        not the first time.
                        Only while the fat dries, the thin one dies.
                        I don’t think it’s worth translating the meaning.
                        adherents of the sect - America will die tomorrow. the dollar will collapse, the ruble will become the gold standard --- please do not disturb.
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        It is a pity that such an economic structure in which all directors, top managers and other oligarchs happens only in fairy tales.

                        I personally know a few people who have advanced to the topic-without connections. money, etc.
                        only due to their labor and perseverance.
                        I will not give myself as an example, but ...
                        the same has something to say wink
                      3. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 5 July 2020 15: 14
                        0
                        Quote: atalef
                        not the first time.
                        Only while the fat dries, the thin one dies.
                        I don’t think it’s worth translating the meaning.
                        adherents of the sect - America will die tomorrow. the dollar will collapse, the ruble will become the gold standard --- please do not disturb.

                        That's right, therefore, as always, the bulk of people with modest incomes will die.
                        Quote: atalef
                        I personally know a few people who have advanced to the topic-without connections. money, etc.
                        only due to their labor and perseverance.
                        I will not give myself as an example, but ...

                        Your personal example, of course, inspires and motivates, but it is a little off topic at all. For it was not a matter of individual examples, but of the working masses and the structure of the economy.
  2. nikvic46
    nikvic46 3 July 2020 17: 47
    +4
    Sergey. There is a salary, but there is still income. A worker doesn’t belong to him sideways. With us, perhaps billionaires will receive a pension. For grandchildren’s candy. If we compare it with abroad, then by all parameters.
  3. adler87
    adler87 3 July 2020 18: 00
    11
    And so he said that we have a middle class of 17 tr. It has. Misery, in general. I already said that. Putin then believes that TR 17 excellent average income.
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 8 July 2020 15: 06
      +1
      Quote: adler87
      Putin then believes that TR 17 excellent average income.

      Where did he say that? Bother to see the interview again.
      1. adler87
        adler87 11 July 2020 07: 30
        +1
        Does the beautiful word bother you? Well, he fought for this income for 20 years, so for him this income is wonderful. I think so, 20 years of hard work gave such a result, or do you think that 20 years of Putin's work can be called differently, based on 17 tr middle class?
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 11 July 2020 11: 34
          0
          Quote: adler87
          Does the beautiful word bother you? Well, he fought for this income for 20 years, so for him this income is wonderful. I think so, 20 years of hard work gave such a result, or do you think that 20 years of Putin's work can be called differently, based on 17 tr middle class?

          Again. Watch the interview and don’t bring nonsense from a set of words. You like to hear not what was said, but what you want to hear.
          1. adler87
            adler87 11 July 2020 21: 53
            0
            Once again, for those who carry nonsense, you consider 17 tr. A normal result of work in 20 years? This he called 1.5 minimum wage average. Not me.
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 13 July 2020 11: 40
              0
              Quote: adler87
              you count 17 tons. A normal work result in 20 years?

              Well, this is certainly a kapets. For those who are not able to watch at least a few minutes of the interview. Verbatim. According to World Bank methodology the calculation of the middle class is made in which the middle class receives 1,5 times the minimum wage. NOT PUTIN'S METHODS, BUT THE WORLD BANK. And if you still bothered to watch the interview, then the president says that the World Bank thinks so, and in general, the middle class in each country needs to be calculated differently. But you stubbornly do not want to hear this, you are hooked on the number 17 thousand and everything else is not important to you. I don't have a single friend who would earn that kind of money. There are two acquaintances girls who are on a salary of 25 thousand, so as not to stay at home, but their husbands earn 3 times more. Of friends and acquaintances of men, no one earns less than 50.
              Don't you see achievements in 20 years? Where do you live?
              1. adler87
                adler87 18 July 2020 11: 30
                0
                Well, not a kapets, but piz ... c. Have you watched the interview? Obviously in pieces. He was asked the question that people's incomes are falling, there is, in fact, no middle class. What did he answer in essence ?! Here he "essentially answered": it depends on who and how to "check", they say that the middle class is 1.5 mrota! Well, that is, in Russia everything is fine with the middle class, we have a large layer with one and a half months. This is what President Pu replied. That is, in fact, nothing was said why he brought us here, and how he will lead us out of here. Judging by his eagerness to prolong his getting up from his knees, President Pu will take us out of a complete ass for another 20 years.
                1. CSKA
                  CSKA 21 July 2020 17: 03
                  0
                  Quote: adler87
                  Have you watched the interview? Obviously in pieces. He was asked the question that people's incomes are falling, there is, in fact, no middle class.

                  I looked, and you seem to again, as usual, heard what you wanted, but not what you said. Where are the words that it is essentially not there? Can you look again?
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc51-Vv1vEs
                  Do you even understand what the middle class is? The middle class is a social group of people with stable incomes sufficient to satisfy a wide range of material and social needs. We have few of them? Or should I also explain to you what material and social needs are? And in terms of the number of apartments and cars bought, you cannot say so. This cannot be said by the number of people who go on vacation abroad, and some of them twice a year.
                  Of course, we can count the middle class in a different way, as the Swiss counted us. According to the report "Global Wealth Report 2015" of the Swiss bank Credit Suisse, in 2015 4,1% of the adult population or about 5 million people with an income of 18 USD per year could be attributed to the middle class and higher in Russia, this is 000 rubles or 1300000 rubles a month. Moreover, it is not clear why they got this figure. This is despite the fact that it is not clear how the Swiss counted them, and despite the fact that they do not take into account how much our people receive in envelopes. Half of my acquaintances do not earn less than 110000 thousand and I live in Krasnodar, not Moscow. This is despite the fact that they probably do not know our prices. We have a family that receives 100 thousand a month can live in peace, not to mention one person.
                  But you don't need to think, and even more so to hear even the president, even the Swiss, your task is only to criticize the authorities and the state for the fact that you have to work and you are simply not given money.
                  1. adler87
                    adler87 29 July 2020 11: 51
                    0
                    Hello, come to your senses. You generally watch what you write about. Mr. Poo assures in his interview that the middle class is not the same as in France, Germany and the USA (including your definition does not correspond to reality, it was defined by Pu himself). And the middle class in each country is different, as it is tied to the minimum wage (I explain for people like you: the minimum wage is different, so the middle class is different). So, the middle class is 1,5 mrota. He says that on this basis we have a middle class of 70% !!! When asked that this is not the middle class, but a mediocre class, Mr. Pu said that this is the method of the World Bank, and we must proceed from the REALITIES, THE METHOD OF THE WORLD BANK! Once again, according to the methodology of the World Bank, each country has its own middle class! We have such a POVERTY MIDDLE CLASS, he is asked if we would like a middle class with incomes like in France, he replied that he does not want a middle class with incomes like in France. Clear? Or did I hear what I wanted to hear, according to your assurances? These are practically literal words of the president. So shove your definition of the middle class there, somewhere, President Pu has already clearly defined it. And in general, do not write your speculations, write more specifically, leave nonsense to yourself.
              2. adler87
                adler87 18 July 2020 11: 32
                0
                Well, not a kapets, but piz ... c. Have you watched the interview? Obviously in pieces. He was asked the question that people's incomes are falling, there is, in fact, no middle class. What did he answer in essence ?! Here he "essentially answered": it depends on who and how to "check", they say that the middle class is 1.5 mrota! Well, that is, in Russia everything is fine with the middle class, we have a large layer with one and a half months. This is what President Pu replied. That is, in fact, nothing was said why he brought us here, and how he will lead us out of here. Judging by his eagerness to prolong his getting up from his knees, President Pu will take us out of a complete ass for another 20 years.
  4. Karabin
    Karabin 3 July 2020 19: 46
    20
    Quote: CSKA
    he explained that he follows the World Bank’s methodology,

    Now, if I, or another VO commentator, refers to the methods of the World Bank, IMF, OSCE and other Western offices, then Zaputinians will immediately stick the label of State Department agent. But if Putin refers ...
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 4 July 2020 11: 49
      -2
      Quote: Karabin
      Now, if I, or another VO commentator, refers to the methods of the World Bank, IMF, OSCE and other Western offices, then Zaputinians will immediately stick the label of State Department agent. But if Putin refers ...

      If you have not watched all the interviews, then look. He goes on to say that in each country the middle class must be considered differently.
  5. Hagen
    Hagen 3 July 2020 20: 16
    -13 qualifying.
    Quote: CSKA
    He did not say that.

    Buddy People gather here who hear not as it was said, but as they would like to hear. The ratio of pluses and minuses for your post clearly shows the balance between realists and depressed all-props. The former strive to find some sound grain in the information. They hear the arguments and try either to refute them or agree with them. You can have a positive dialogue with them. The latter believe in the approaching end of the world and a universal conspiracy against them. And it is useless to explain something to believers. They have irrational thinking.
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 8 July 2020 15: 08
      +1
      Quote: Hagen
      Buddy People gather here who hear not as it was said, but as they would like to hear.

      Totally agree with you.
      Quote: Hagen
      The ratio of pluses and minuses for your post clearly shows the balance between realists and depressed all-props. The former strive to find some sound grain in the information. They hear the arguments and try either to refute them or agree with them. You can have a positive dialogue with them. The latter believe in the approaching end of the world and a universal conspiracy against them.

      Here Mikheev said very correctly the other day. Some live on the Internet where they have already created their own alternative world, where they chat on behalf of the whole people, where they have already raised the revolution and defeated everyone. But in real life, people went and voted for amendments to the constitution, while at first they cursed everyone and everything, then they shouted that there would be falsifications, then they shouted that everyone was headless. And one, here in VO, recently, demanded that they would see him, we headless explained these amendments and why they are needed. About the end of the world do not get tired of singing. It turns out that everything should collapse. Brought turns the country. In 2000, the country didn’t fall apart and I know thanks to whom, and now, for some reason, with the current standard of living and in the almost complete absence of terrorists. One gets the impression that they want it. And the most interesting. All of them shout at the interruption about the fact that all power is being controlled by the West, which wants to ruin the Russian Federation. But when you ask them a few basic questions, they have nothing to answer. Why did the West raise the Russian economy with hands like its proteges. With their own hands, why did he destroy the terrorists in the Caucasus, annexed the Crimea, reequipped the army, defeated his own vassal Georgia, helped Assad, whom he himself wanted to throw off, built up gold and foreign exchange reserves more than during the Soviet Union, their protégé did not borrow from the West, in differences from the USSR. Here's something that doesn’t work on their ravings.
  • smart ass
    smart ass 3 July 2020 17: 06
    16
    Yes, exactly 17 thousand, I also neighing
  • Woodman
    Woodman 3 July 2020 16: 25
    10
    Only 4% are ready to live a family for 20-30 thousand rubles, and 2% - for money less than 20 thousand rubles a month.
    If this is the desired amount for the family, then these two percent are either incorrigible optimists or incorrigible "jokers".
    1. Aleksandre
      Aleksandre 3 July 2020 16: 30
      +8
      Quote: Lesovik
      If this is the desired amount for the family, then these two percent are either incorrigible optimists or incorrigible "jokers".

      There may be different options, a private house in the village, for example: there is no communal apartment, your garden and chicken, spending money on trendy pants and gadgets. A simple patriarchal life, as they say, but they do not want any other for themselves.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 3 July 2020 17: 01
        17
        As it was found out in the process of sociological research conducted by the Romir holding, the Russian family needs 85,7 thousand rubles for a “normal life”
        ahhh ... ohhh ... where is that kind of money being spent? where to run losing sneakers? 15000 in luck and a lot of luck!
      2. Archon
        Archon 3 July 2020 20: 16
        +6
        Even if you do not pay a communal apartment and do not buy clothes, you need to go to the doctors for prevention and periodically be treated. And the drugs are not cheap, and if anyone has a problem with their teeth, then generally hopeless.
        1. latgalec
          latgalec 4 July 2020 00: 54
          -6
          I allow myself to disagree with you, in Russia medicines are just cheap.
          1. Archon
            Archon 4 July 2020 13: 25
            +4
            Over the past ten years, they have seriously increased in price, and those that are not allowed to grow simply stop being produced in the Russian Federation and begin to be purchased in India or other countries.
    2. alone
      alone 3 July 2020 17: 28
      +6
      Quote: Lesovik
      If this is the desired amount for the family, then these two percent are either incorrigible optimists or incorrigible "jokers"

      And there is a third option, realists. . Understand that more than less than 20 thousand no one will give them
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 July 2020 18: 44
      -6
      No, these people simply have chronic poverty, that is, they are measured with their low lifestyle.
      1. Archon
        Archon 3 July 2020 20: 17
        +1
        Yes, from a difficult life they completely lost confidence in themselves and are ready to work for a minimum, if only not to stretch their legs.
  • Asad
    Asad 3 July 2020 16: 37
    0
    I remembered the income of my parents and spouse. My 400 rubles a month was not always enough, neither a car nor a summer house could not buy. And my wife’s parents, at an income of 300 rubles, ate normally dressed, dressed, a summer cottage! Wishlist everyone is different as well as income.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 4 July 2020 12: 28
      0
      The philistine philosophy went and went. Based on two facts, conclusions of universal scope are made.
  • Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 3 July 2020 16: 49
    19
    17000. But it was said. Enough. Middle class.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 3 July 2020 19: 24
      -9
      Is the word "irony" unfamiliar to you? According to RBC, the middle class for Moscow starts at 120 per face.
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 3 July 2020 19: 48
        +9
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Is the word "irony" unfamiliar to you?

        So the irony was !? laughing
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 3 July 2020 22: 43
        +6
        We have an ironic president, Andrew? And I thought it was serious and responsible.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 3 July 2020 22: 46
          -8
          He is also a man. Has the right to pirononizirovat.
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 3 July 2020 22: 48
            +5
            So, at least, tactless ...
          2. vprnik
            vprnik 4 July 2020 17: 33
            +2
            On the topic of money for the people in our country can only be ironic. When will people live well? Yes, after 3000))). (Or donkey will die or padish.)
      3. atalef
        atalef 4 July 2020 17: 04
        +1
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Is the word "irony" unfamiliar to you? According to RBC, the middle class for Moscow starts at 120 per face.

        absolutely logical.
        2t bucks for Moscow is not so much.
        Typical middle class.
  • prior
    prior 3 July 2020 17: 04
    +7
    The people deserve to live no worse than their "servants" - deputies and officials.
    1. Gato
      Gato 3 July 2020 18: 04
      0
      What then is the meaning of "servants" to "serve"? Even under socialism, they were, as it were, the owners of the public property, disposing of it at their own discretion .. And under capitalism - in general, they put out the light, they won’t carry anything past their pockets.
      1. prior
        prior 4 July 2020 07: 40
        +1
        Here I am about the same. It's time to put the "servants" in place.
        1. Gato
          Gato 5 July 2020 10: 12
          +1
          Sheep also wants to put the shepherd in place. And then I took a fashion to cut my hair and cut it into barbecue wassat
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 3 July 2020 22: 41
      0
      And Baba Yaga - against.
  • bar
    bar 3 July 2020 17: 09
    +4
    Russian family needs 85,7 thousand rubles a month for a “normal life”

    A bearded joke comes to mind right away:
    - Petka, appliances!
    - Twenty!
    - What is twenty?
    - And what devices?
    So in the article. 85,7 ty on which a family? Dad-mom-five children and a rented apartment? Or two pence in the country?
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 3 July 2020 17: 27
      +1
      with a desired income of 85,7 thousand rubles per family of three
      You have to be more careful, colleague.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 4 July 2020 12: 31
        -1
        Which, in principle, is tantamount to a death sentence for the country. So the problems with demography cannot be solved.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 3 July 2020 17: 30
      -1
      It is noteworthy that, with a desired income of 85,7 thousand rubles per family of THREE people, Russians, according to another Romir survey, in May 2020 wanted to receive an average of 74 thousand rubles in their hands. Moreover, apparently, the pandemic made adjustments to the desired salary: in January 2020, the Russians wanted to receive “clean” 92 thousand rubles a month.
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 3 July 2020 17: 16
    -11 qualifying.
    Desired income? The more you eat, the more you want. Something like this.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 3 July 2020 18: 36
      +3
      "As we eat for the night, I see OBKHSS in my dreams all night. - Don't you sleep !!" (c)
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 4 July 2020 12: 33
      0
      And why are you blurting it out?
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 4 July 2020 12: 42
        -3
        In addition, the desired income is a variable value. I always want more.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 4 July 2020 12: 58
          +1
          Well then what? What conclusions? Or is it blue from the discharge, the water is wet?
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 4 July 2020 13: 42
            -1
            The conclusions are simple: for some, for the complete happiness of Lada, grants are enough, and for someone, Mercedes is not enough. And in general a lot of money does not happen.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 4 July 2020 15: 35
              +1
              You are clearly a genius. Well, then what?
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 3 July 2020 17: 31
    +3
    and what is "normal" in their understanding? A full-fledged family is 3 people. for 88 thousand you need to eat, dress, get treatment, rest for 3 people. And apparently they consider it "normal", tk. not enough for more. The problem is that our "normal" is somewhere near the baseboard.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 3 July 2020 22: 38
      +4
      A family of 3 can survive on 30000 p. But is this life?
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  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 3 July 2020 17: 33
    +2
    Did the families of State Duma deputies, ministers and top managers get into the survey? Then the results would go up strongly, as is the case with the average salary.
  • Senior manager
    Senior manager 3 July 2020 17: 48
    -7
    And in my opinion the comments were written by people greedy and envious. For food per month, it is necessary, with NORMAL nutrition, 8 rubles, per person. The rest must be cut. It’s not the one who has a lot who is rich, but the one who spends wisely. I would call the amount of 22 rubles on the bill. Well, from a different angle, if you look, you need to look for a side job. First of all, think.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 3 July 2020 19: 57
      +9
      Quote: St. Propulsion
      need you, look for a side job.

      I’m a college teacher. I’m looking for a side job and find. Only such a thing turns out. A day is not rubber and human strength is not infinite. Part-time jobs hit on health and quality at the main job. Maybe you need to pay with dignity and then the covens will be less popular?
      1. Ronald Reagan
        Ronald Reagan 3 July 2020 20: 31
        -4
        Why pay more if they already work? laughing
        And to be honest, it's time to retrain from teachers to entrepreneurs.
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 3 July 2020 20: 35
          +9
          Quote: Ronald Reagan
          then it's time to retrain from teachers to entrepreneurs.

          Dmitry Anatolyevich is you!? Well, we’ll all retrain and go into business. Who will teach?
          1. Ronald Reagan
            Ronald Reagan 3 July 2020 23: 47
            -7
            Only those who really want to change their lives for the better are re-qualified. The rest will live with the hope of a miracle that naturally will not happen. request
        2. silver_roman
          silver_roman 3 July 2020 21: 51
          +6
          Dmitry Anatolyevich? Didn't you wander into our house for an hour? and where is your trademark "stay there, but no money"?)))
          1. Ronald Reagan
            Ronald Reagan 3 July 2020 23: 49
            -6
            And what should Medvedev say? Sit they say guys, exactly on the pope, and we will give you money for beautiful eyes? lol
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman 7 July 2020 10: 58
              0
              if there is nothing to say, it is better to be silent, and not to carry nonsense.
    2. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav 3 July 2020 19: 59
      +8
      so that you’ve been eating 8000 rubles a month all your life
      1. Senior manager
        Senior manager 4 July 2020 05: 22
        -3
        Quote: Ryaruav
        so that you’ve been eating 8000 rubles a month all your life

        All my life will not work - inflation, s. I had in mind a healthy diet, and you can eat a steward, and even more so drink it.
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 3 July 2020 22: 37
      0
      First of all, think.
      So think, according to your advice to us. And then write again on the topic of macaroni.
    4. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 4 July 2020 12: 36
      +1
      Quote: St. Propulsion
      It’s not the one who has a lot who is rich, but the one who spends wisely.

      Oga, of course, live with a family of three for 17000 then tell the potanin and the Deripaska how poor they are.
  • Tomich3
    Tomich3 3 July 2020 18: 02
    +4
    For Tomsk, I can say that the income for a family of three with a small child should be about 150 thousand. This is for a normal life, without taking into account rest and other excesses.
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 3 July 2020 18: 09
    +1
    A man is such a cattle that no matter how much he doesn’t let him, he will still be indignant and ask for more. Give 100 thousand, in a month there will be little 150. People, before you demand something, study for yourself. Less work and more money is the current slogan. It’s interesting, but those people who went to the Komsomol construction sites not for money were still alive?
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 3 July 2020 20: 01
      +8
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      It’s interesting, but those people who went to the Komsomol construction sites not for money were still alive?

      Remained still. They are now looking at the owners of what they built and quietly fucking awesome.
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 3 July 2020 20: 03
        -2
        Health them. And I have all died. It's a pity.
    2. silver_roman
      silver_roman 3 July 2020 21: 53
      +1
      it’s like the government has pulled into the forum.
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 4 July 2020 12: 39
      +1
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      Work less and earn more - the current slogan.

      So what? Do you really want to work harder and earn less?
    4. vprnik
      vprnik 4 July 2020 17: 52
      +2
      There were no such people. And if someone came "for romance" it was enough for 2 - 3 months, so the reality was different from expectations. Only for good money did people agree to endure.
  • Alien ...
    Alien ... 3 July 2020 18: 26
    +7
    The survey provides an example of a wonderful bait. It turned out that we have people want to making money lessthan they really earn. laughing And it didn’t bother anyone ...
    And the second one. Unfortunately, our president does not understand much. He was injected about 1,5 minimum wages on an adult family member, and he blurted out all over the country. Formally, it is considered so! Only here who will explain the GDP that the minimum wage in our country and the minimum wage in the west are two very big differences. For example, for the USA lower the middle class border also walks decently, but there it is from 10 to 25 thousand bucks per year per adult. Lower.
    By WB: "The same World Bank experts say that the middle class should buy foreign goods, cars, travel steadily and have the opportunity to study in foreign countries." You will be able to do all this, having 36 rubles / month. for family?
  • parusnik
    parusnik 3 July 2020 18: 39
    +7
    Come on ... from July 5, the amendment changes will take effect ... Life will be better, life will be more fun ... everything will be fine ... laughing
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 3 July 2020 22: 33
      0
      And these have already amused, right away.
  • pv1005
    pv1005 3 July 2020 18: 40
    0
    As it was found out in the process of sociological research conducted by the Romir holding, the Russian family needs 85,7 thousand rubles a month for a “normal life”. A year ago, for a month of life, according to the same calculations, it was required 7,7 thousand rubles less.

    Inflation! yes
  • kamui91
    kamui91 3 July 2020 18: 47
    0
    What a tin.
    I get one 90 thousand for myself and not enough for anything, but here for three 86.
    I never could understand how such families live in general, and most importantly why.
    1. Senior manager
      Senior manager 4 July 2020 05: 26
      -2
      Quote: pv1005
      I get 90 thousand for myself and I’m not enough for anything,

      I’m glad to take it into account, you must be able to count money.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 4 July 2020 12: 42
      0
      Well, actually 90 thousand should be enough if it has its own apartment. Yes, of course you won’t be a boo, but you can live quite worthily. Now, if the apartment is not here is worse. Although you can also live.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 3 July 2020 19: 16
    0
    If 17000 rubles divided by 65 = 261 dollars, is this their middle class? Something I think is wrong. Eight years ago we interviewed the head of Kreisler. And in the end he was asked how much he earns. “Well, let it be one dollar.” “I get income from all production. This is me to ensure that earnings and income should not be confused.
  • swzero
    swzero 3 July 2020 19: 51
    +2
    the author forgot to mention that at the average income level, about half falls on a couple% of the population. If the average income is considered minus a thin layer with inadequate incomes, everything will be sad. And if you count without Moscow and the region there is generally trouble.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 3 July 2020 20: 08
    +2
    My parents did not work a day in America, they arrived already in retirement age. Therefore, instead of the standard pension, they received Supplemental Security Income (SSI). This is not a pension, but a benefit for those who are recognized as incapable of work due to health or age. For two, they paid a little more than $ 1000 per month. On their own they give a little more $ 600.
    It seems a little. But they paid less than $ 1200 per month for the apartment (according to the local One bedroom standards, and according to the Russian one with a walk-in living room) for less than $ 300, the rest was paid by the Eighth Section (Section 8 Housing Program), specially created to help the poor in renting as part of the fight against homelessness.
    Medical expenses, including a pharmacy, prosthetics, a hearing aid, and special shoes for swollen feet, were fully covered by the Medicare + Medicaid combination.
    And finally, help with buying food, Food Stamps, or, as this program is now called, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP). A little less than $ 200 a month for two, or alone a little more than $ 100. There were months when money was left on the card by the end, but as a rule everything was gone, and at the end of the month they bought food for money. I don’t know how by today's Russian standards, but by Soviet Leningrad they didn’t refuse anything in food standards. Meat, fish, fresh vegetables and fruits, milk, chocolate (and dad bought himself sweets separately, special, sugar-free, for diabetics).
    So every month after paying for housing, communal services, food, cable TV (they watched Russian channels for a fee) they had somewhere around $ 300 a month for clothes, shoes, and what else (mostly gifts to grandchildren). When Mom was left alone, this balance was halved, however, she already did not really need this.
    Yes, they also provided Home Attendant services at the expense of Medicaid - to clean the apartment, help to wash, prepare food, remind about taking medications, and other little things. Only about 50 hours a week. Medicaid paid because keeping them in a nursing home would have cost Medicaid even more. Towards the end of my life, this watch was not enough, so all the money that was left went to pay extra hours, and I still paid from mine.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 3 July 2020 20: 25
      10
      Nagan, and the Amer’s constitution states that states are a welfare state?
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 3 July 2020 22: 09
        +2
        Quote: Karabin
        Nagan, and the Amer’s constitution states that states are a welfare state?

        Not even in the amendments to it. But there is a set of laws such as social security for the elderly and disabled.
    2. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 3 July 2020 22: 59
      -4
      My parents are not a day in America

      Black Lives Matter
      This is their future.
      It is actively approaching and growing.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 4 July 2020 01: 33
        +1
        Alas, they no longer have a future. I have Nagan and zinc ammunition for it, though it’s already reaped, but it will be necessary, and I’ll buy it more seriously. And what will happen to my children, I don’t know, if shit-democrats and BLM achieve their goal, then it may be simplified acquisition of Russian citizenship.
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 3 July 2020 21: 06
    +7
    A survey of the poor.
    2 years ago, one of our players said that for him the minimum wage is 300 thousand. For them, he is ready to play for some time, short-lived ....

    Earnings of famous people are completely incomparable. As an example, only officially Serdyukov 1 million a day, his son, too, and his wife (the former, like) - half a million a day. (in articles on official sources) And how much unofficially - ??? only yours know. But according to Forbes, he is not even a bucks millionaire.

    With such figures of the average salary, consider ????

    Au guarantor - 17 thousand are already middle class ....

    IMHO, complete garbage, these statistics .....
  • hohol95
    hohol95 3 July 2020 21: 31
    0
    but it’s foolish to expect that the expectations of a 35-year-old IT specialist or, say, a married sailor with a child will be the same.

    And if by 36 years the child is not alone. And the three? This option is not considered?
    And not a sailor. And my wife works, but not an IT specialist. and attempts to "stir up their business"!
    There are Aby da Kaba ... A lot!
  • iouris
    iouris 3 July 2020 21: 54
    +2
    The question is not put like this: "how much I want". The question is posed as follows: "How much does he need to be given to make it manageable."
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 3 July 2020 22: 12
    +1
    Three people is not a family. This is, at best, the germ of the family. Families need 4-5 people. Not less.
    1. iouris
      iouris 4 July 2020 12: 34
      -1
      Quote: Shuttle
      Families need 4-5 people. Not less.

      Who needs (names, passwords, attendance)? But you do not see that a population decline and a "cultural revolution" are taking place. "Traditional" states and "traditional history" are being destroyed and reformatted. Even the United Kingdom and the United States are already in a "process" that has "gone". Methods of social design are used to form "populations" with fundamentally different (different from "traditional") demographic and socio-psychological characteristics. In the future, people with the necessary data will be obtained by genetic engineering.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 3 July 2020 22: 27
    0
    Interestingly, in 2020 the average income of Russians also turned out to be greater than before: it amounted to 86,8 thousand rubles with a desired income of 85,7 thousand rubles.
    Is this from the loony bin calculations?
    Take away Abramovich, top and middle level officials. And then consider the average income of the snickering Russian.
  • DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 3 July 2020 22: 36
    -2
    The fact that the people, in addition to the coronavirus in our time is no longer ill with anything, we have already been proved.
    Many people and entire industries worked on this in a single burst of world coronabesia.
    To die from coronavirus is unproven in almost nothing, but - to die with coronavirus (with helments, with sugar, with heart failure, with immunodeficiency disease, with hepatitis .... iii) die of old age, but you can always enroll in the "fashionable" coronavirus.
    Dope?
    Definitely a dope.
    Track deaths from previous infections: Blue Nile Fever, Avian Flu, Bat Flu, Ebolla Fever.
    Feel better?
    I think no. The difference in mortality is several orders of magnitude, but the difference is in the "boil" .... mom - do not cry.
    So, what's the secret - "coronavirus"?
    His secret is in his time of appearance.
    The world behind the scenes (yes, it is she) at the moment is waiting for the "coming of his messiah", capable of saving ALL the peoples of the world from lawlessness and unrest with wars, together and give the Jews power over the whole world and every soul.
    The peoples must prepare for such an acceptance.
    Everyone should be convinced of the complete lack of rights and lawlessness of the current "authorities".
    The United States presents us with a lively and current example !!!
    All peoples must believe that the arrival of the "king of the earth" will be able to solve all the accumulated problems of all the peoples of the whole world, once and for all !!!
    On earth, you can create the Paradise of God without the participation of God, on your own. But, with the participation of its opposite - Satan.
    It is he who, incarnated into the body of an earthly person, will "preach" to us another paradise, earthly and under his authority.
    Since this enemy is clever and crafty, he will be able to deceive and attract many people, even those who earlier believe and worship the One God, Christ and the Great Trinity.
    He will present himself in the form of God, in the form of Christ and in the form of three more truths. By this it can be recognized. He will have 5 I. He will declare them.
    Watch out, brothers. This time is right for years with us.
    The Jews will crown him to the world kingdom in Jerusalem.
    This will be presented to us as the salvation of the world.
    Each watched procedure on TV will fall under its influence and cannot be saved.
    TV in the furnace with his demonic news. Amenu
  • veritas
    veritas 3 July 2020 22: 49
    +1
    How much money is needed for life: in Russia the desired family income is named

    Exactly more than 17 .. Although the head of state identified these people as the middle class. In this case, everyone should be super rich.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 4 July 2020 05: 53
    0
    Unfortunately, until real production increases, there is no need to talk about any increase in average wages. And even in this case, it will rise slightly. All modern production is built on the use of unskilled labor and growing automation. This I am writing to you as an example of the production of sausages. And the main trend is the transfer of production to countries with cheap slave power and lower taxes and economic standards. If now all production is returned back to Europe and the United States, you will increase the price of products, and even IPHONE.
    I generally mean that the salary in the production is still higher than 17000 rubles. And this will enable the growth of production and the secondary economy. Services, tourism, etc.
  • igorra
    igorra 4 July 2020 13: 43
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    It is poor if the income per month is less than 20000 rubles per person, normally if 30000 rubles, the so-called middle class has already gone higher. Young families from yesterday's schoolchildren-institutes-petouts have a maximum income of 15000 rubles, if the child, and even without his own corner, is completely hopeless. In life, everything is different, obviously not the way it is seen from the windows of the Kremlin.
    P.S. And something to pull out that gloom that reports on our income would not hurt.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 4 July 2020 19: 05
    -2
    Quote: Hagen
    Quote: Svarog
    I brought out some serious offices,

    Well, yes, I do. Here are all the astronauts wassat Here you are rude professionally.

    Well, if you are not an astronaut, but ... an aquanaut, then tell people what your homeland has helped, or what other peoples, just remember to find out where your homeland is. lol
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 5 July 2020 08: 33
    +2
    One hundred thousand rubles in Moscow, in Chukotka and in the Rostov region - different money.

    Wow? And someone will then recall that “before” the salaries in Moscow did not differ in high sizes.
    We will dance in circles until we understand that the level of salaries needs to be calculated differently: the minimum wage should be set in multiples of the highest budgetary salary ... yes
    And then for some we have a soup liquid, and for others the pearls are small ...
    In the Kuzbass, with an established average salary of 41342 rubles, the state did not provide physicians and teachers with the appropriate monetary allowance ...
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 6 July 2020 13: 36
    +1
    They just got used to the fact that in Russia there is a very low-paid labor, and now they will also claim that the people are snickering ..... 90 thousand to them ...
  • Vdi73
    Vdi73 8 July 2020 10: 42
    0
    Who cares how much the mob makes money, until they die of hunger and do not go out to the riots in droves of mass thousands, then let it go. There are more decent layers of society that the state should focus on, these are government officials themselves, oligarchs close, top managers, and the high-level authorities of various state corporations.