How to distinguish the first strike UAV of Ukraine from the Turkish "Anka": on the appearance and characteristics

The Ukrainian defense industry continues to present its latest developments. This time it is announced the creation of a percussion drone middle weight class.

The head of the Ukrainian state-owned enterprise Luch, Oleg Korostelev, who is also the general designer, spoke about the new creation of the military-industrial complex. According to him, the first Ukrainian strike UAV, which received the designation "Falcon-200", is planned to be presented in October this year.

He will be able to carry weapons (launchers with 4 missiles) weighing about 200-250 kg. The flight duration of the car will be approximately one day. As a power plant, both a piston and a turboprop engine can be featured. It is proposed to use the RCP-360, which has already been attached to the Neptune anti-ship missile system, as a control point.

I believe that it is quite realistic to take such an aircraft into service in a year and a half. Start flying there, after nine months, and leave another 8-9 months for all test work and development

- noted Korostelev.

For our part, we note that the UAV announced by Luch design bureau is almost identical in appearance to the Turkish Anka UAV (perhaps the only difference is the presence of flaps at the Sokol-200). Moreover, the payloads of the two vehicles coincide (Anka also carries up to 250 kg) and flight duration (up to 24 hours).

You can also take into account that some types of Turkish military equipment have been delivered to Ukraine. Among them is the Bayraktar TB2 UAV, a batch of which was completely shipped in 2019. In this regard, the sale of the independent and Turkish Anka is quite possible.

As a result, taking into account the state of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, it can be assumed that in fact we are talking either about the licensed assembly of Turkish cars, or, more likely, about their direct purchase with the subsequent presentation as Ukrainian UAVs.

UAV "Anka" and its performance characteristics:

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[Samara_63]

The best drone UAV in the USA

[Bashkirkhan]

Bayraktars, though not the best, but efficient machines. They fought in Syria and in Libya.

[Grazdanin]

Bayraktars are in service and are mass-produced, how many countries can boast of this? For better or worse, it is a value judgment that depends on many factors.

[CSKA]

Quote: Samara_63

It would be nice for Russia to buy UAVs from the Turks while we are friends, otherwise we will delve into it for a long time, our scientists in science do not pay design engineers, and they don’t take design engineers as deputies, they are these design engineers who scored on UAVs, for a penny and disrespect for themselves, they will not work. And athletes, showmen, singers who are seated in deputies and massively respected do not understand and do not know the math

How old are you? By the level of your writing you can see that not much. Design engineers in the Russian Federation do not get very bad. The Russian Federation already has a shock UAV; it is undergoing tests. You can’t bear all these nonsense about deputies. In your opinion, people become technologists, engineers or programmers to become deputies?

[Grazdanin]

Quote: CSKA

The Russian Federation already has a shock UAV; it is undergoing tests.

And what is the model called?))

[CSKA]

Quote: Grazdanin

And what is the model called?))

Don’t you know? Hunter.

[Grazdanin]

Well, without irony, in the last decade in Russia, I know about 4-5 UAV prototypes that could become shock. The C70 is being developed, it is undergoing test flights, there is no information about the use of weapons, there is not even a word about adopting it. It is rather a demonstrator of opportunities. This project is extremely controversial. The design of the flying wing has too many drawbacks. The US is slowly abandoning this type of UAV.

[CSKA]

Quote: Grazdanin

C70 is being developed, it is undergoing test flights, there is no information about the use of weapons

And I wrote somewhere that he was accepted into service?

Quote: Grazdanin

It is rather a demonstrator of opportunities. This project is extremely controversial. The design of the flying wing has too many drawbacks. The US is slowly abandoning this type of UAV.

This is where you read that they refused the Lockheed Martin RQ-170 Sentinel or X-47B?

[Grazdanin]

Quote: CSKA

This is where you read that they refused the Lockheed Martin RQ-170 Sentinel or X-47B?

X-47B within the framework of the US Army, the project is closed, in the tender for the tanker won the Boeing MQ-25 Stingray. RQ-170 Sentinel Pieces 20 seem to have made no news at all since 2012.
MQ-25, XQ-58, Predator C projects that really move, a normal circuit is used everywhere, current technologies make it possible to achieve invisibility comparable to a flying wing in gliders of a normal circuit

[Samara_63]

Of course, they proved to be good, they broke all our air defense
But in the US there are long and heavy UAVs
And their reconnaissance RQ-4 Global Hawk is just space!

[Grazdanin]

X-37 this is space)) For the US, the RQ-4 Global Hawk is an obsolete machine, they are exploring options for replacing it.

[Samara_63]

Not the RQ-4 Global Hawk is really incredibly cool, it constantly hangs over Sochi and listens to everything there

[Nastia makarova]

nothing hangs over sochi

[WOLF330]

If Vasya said, it’s hanging and still hanging

[kotdavin4i]

Vasya no longer pour ...

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Samara_63

smashed all our air defense

You are really 10-12 years old. What a bold statement !!!! Can you tell me how and where?

RQ-4 Global Hawk is just space!

Therefore, its marine version of Triton. The Iranians easily and unconstrainedly shot down the Iranian version of Beech. Exactly where it was required. After which Hegemon was blown away.

[Passing]

Quote: Samara_63

smashed all our air defense

This is how propaganda works. And base. It’s base, because it’s not even trying to subtly emphasize, but is engaged in primitive lies, cheap manipulations that are visible as white threads on a tailcoat. For example, the Turkish president pathetically announced the destruction of 8 armor. It would seem that providing evidence is not a problem, slay 8 videos from the UAV on the Internet, and enjoy the triumph. And what do we see on YouTube? Several fake videos in the style of a primitive manipulative video editing. In one video, instead of the Carapace, they show something muddy-muddy, shot obviously by a not modern high-quality UAV camera, and most likely being relatively old shootings of the defeat of the Roland air defense system. In another, they show three working Shells standing not far from the canopy hangar. And at this moment no one thinks to attack these Armor, there are no fools. Then they show a missile getting into a similar hangar, and something burns colorfully under it, maybe a box with ammunition, maybe some armored personnel carrier, or maybe it’s actually caught on the Shell. Unknown This is served as the destruction of 3 Shells! In the third they show the working Shell, then they show the moment of the defeat of the broken Shell. Have you noticed the pattern? Working Shells take off from afar, out of their range, and do not think to hit them, and decide to attack only when the Shells obviously do not work. The Turks so passionately wanted to denigrate the Shell that they themselves did not notice how they actually confirmed that in combat mode the Shell is not pierceable.

[CSKA]

Quote: Samara_63

Of course, they proved to be good, they broke all our air defense

)))) Where did they break all of our air defense?

Quote: Samara_63

And their reconnaissance RQ-4 Global Hawk is just space!

What is cosmos?
You carry one complete nonsense.

[TermNachTer]

Yeah, Ukraine already fought as well))) when landing in Starokonstantinov, it landed so that the regiment’s command did not know how to write it off? It can’t be restored, but how can Kuev be explained that they killed the dear Turkish quack?

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: TermNachTER

when landing in Starokonstantinov, it landed so that the regiment’s command did not know how to write off?

Was this event covered on the Internet?

[TermNachTer]

No, of course, this is a terrible military secret. But the floor of Ukraine already knows.

[Shurik70]

Better ... Worse ...
Real qualities can only be tested in real battles. With a strong opponent.
Israel and the United States are constantly using attack UAVs against an "enemy" that does not have a normal air defense system.
During the Iraq war, strike UAVs were not used until they crushed all anti-aircraft missiles.
And to fly up and drop the ammunition, or even make a kamikaze drone - these are the terrorists on the knee in the garage rivet massively.
So the question remains open ... And it would be better if he remained that way.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Shurik70

During the Iraq war, strike UAVs were not used until they crushed all anti-aircraft missiles.

It is strange to blame UAVs that are not intended to work against air defense, to destroy air defense the following generations of UAVs are created that are on the way. MQ1 and MQ9 yesterday for the US Army.

[Ka-52]

The best drone UAV in the USA

The United States is famous primarily for multi-purpose UAVs. As such, they do not have drums.

[Grazdanin]

And who has drums?)) Which are not multi-purpose?))

[Ka-52]

And who has drums?)) Which are not multi-purpose?))

learn to distinguish A from B. Compare the modest sighting system of your Bayraktar TB2 (to which you have spotted all the corners here) and, for example, the MQ-9 with a full-fledged AN / APY-8 Lynx II radar.

[Grazdanin]

And which one is shock and which is multi-purpose? )))

[Ka-52]

when you figure it out, you yourself will understand

[Grazdanin]

There is a class MALE representatives of its TB2 and MQ1. They are either reconnaissance or reconnaissance-strike (multipurpose as you put it), there are kamikaze drones like Switchblade, there is a MQ25 tanker with limited reconnaissance capabilities.

Quote: Ka-52

The United States is famous primarily for multi-purpose UAVs. As such, they do not have drums.

Some purely shock UAVs simply do not exist yet (Of course, if you do not consider kamikaze drones as such), they are all multi-purpose i.e. reconnaissance UAVs that have the ability to carry and use weapons.

[Ka-52]

the UAV’s intelligence tasks are primarily indicated by the hardware complex installed on its board. For shock drones, in order to increase the missile and bomb load, reconnaissance equipment was dismantled (or not installed initially). There remains a primitive optoelectronic channel. To ensure the fulfillment of both those and those tasks, already at the design stage of the UAV, the load bearing aerodynamic and traction characteristics are laid in such a way as to provide an increased load. Put a full-fledged radar on TB2 (if possible) and it won’t even take off. Not to mention the combat load. So I do not need demagoguery and Wikipedia

[Grazdanin]

You go into demagoguery, just name the strike UAV without reconnaissance capabilities.

[WOLF330]

Will not name, because there are none.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: KURT330

Will not name, because there are none.

Aha :)

[rocket757]

The BEAM has always and everything ... and I’d like to give advice - But just did not try to shine, YOURSELF?

[bayard]

Ukraine supplies Turkey with engines for Bayraktar, and so we have established cooperation. They are engines for the Turks, they are BEO, and they themselves will make the hulls in Ukraine ... It's a pity that they waited for this too.
But everything could be decided in 2014.

[Cat]

BEAM has always and everything

... except money. Actually, all these recent loud statements by Korostylev have one leitmotif "evil guys, give me money." But if you remember who sits on the supervisory board of Ukroboronprom, it becomes clear that they will not give it.

[Asad]

Not aware of all the weapons of the DNI and LC and they have something to bring down this anchor?

[NDR-791]

As "great and terrible" said - Where there is war, there weapons appear by themselves ...

[Zaurbek]

Did airplanes and helicopters of the Ukrainian Air Force fall?

[Holgerton]

If you delve into the facts, you can find out that a significant part of the losses of aircraft was due to the fact that for 20 years the equipment was not completely repaired in commercial quantities, and the flight crew did not have a raid.
Moreover, according to the LDNR anti-aircraft gunners, among the heaps of the Donbass there should be a broken Su-25 air regiment and four dozen other planes and helicopters. But there is no photo confirmation
This, of course, does not negate the real shots and the competent work of the calculations, but this does not say much about the real effectiveness of air defense, there is little statistics.
Do whatever you want with this information.

[bayard]

Quote: ASAD

Not aware of all the weapons of the DNI and LC and they have something to bring down this anchor?

Of course there is, in 2014 even several "Flights" were shot down. "Arrow-10" will take it for itself, but it will be needed, and something more serious will appear.

[Cat]

Arrow-10 can theoretically reach any height. As far as I know, the DPR has.

[Holgerton]

Theoretically, "Strela-10" reaches 5 km, practically "Strela-10" does not aim at anything, if it is aimed, then slowly, it cannot capture typical modern targets for such a complex, namely UAVs, and even the simplest "Needle" overtakes Strela-10 in terms of efficiency.
Against conditional KR / "Flights" / helicopters, it is conditionally effective to this day, but at the moment this air defense system is completely outdated.

[alone]

Most likely this is a copy ... they just took and copied the anchor. .on the licensed production there was no agreement .. This is an expensive pleasure.

[svp67]

As a result, taking into account the state of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, we can assume that in fact we are talking either about the licensed assembly of Turkish cars, or, more likely, about their direct purchase with the subsequent presentation as Ukrainian UAVs

No, rather, we can talk about close military-industrial cooperation between Ukraine and Turkey.
Ukraine, like a "sponge", absorbs other people's developments and "Ukrainizes" them. And this is the right way, given the state of their military-industrial complex.

[NDR-791]

No, rather, we can talk about close military-industrial cooperation between Ukraine and Turkey.
Screwdriver assembly? Quite possible. A glider is not a problem to repeat. Therefore, we return to the title of the article ...
How to distinguish the first strike UAV of Ukraine from the Turkish Anka
It is necessary to plant and dig in giblets. Ours have rummaged in Turkish for a long time, it's time to compare

[svp67]

Quote: NDR-791

Screwdriver assembly? Quite possible

Not really. Copying and fitting to your capabilities ... And they do this with all the samples of military equipment that came to them

[NDR-791]

Maybe with an armored personnel carrier such a ride and then not everyone. Our people have been tormented so much with BMP-4 until they have resolved the issue. Rather, with his electronics. Either rides or shoots, at the same time did not want to. And these chpok ... And everything is ready - and the electronics and orientation and control, so that even hit the target? Somehow it turns out briskly even for copying.
The first Ukrainian strike UAV, which received the designation "Falcon-200", is scheduled to be presented in October this year.

[Holgerton]

Screwdriver assembly? Quite possible. A glider is not a problem to repeat. Therefore, we return to the title of the article ...
How to distinguish the first strike UAV of Ukraine from the Turkish Anka

You don't even need any screwdriver assembly. You just need avionics, the glider does not play a role, because everyone can change its configuration as he pleases, the main thing is that it has an aerodynamic quality corresponding to this type of apparatus. Considering that the Luch design bureau also designs much more complex aircraft systems, there is little new in the creation of a simple monoplane for them.
"Why is the glider really Ukrainian and how does it differ from the Turkish" Anka "- you ask?
Yes, simply because "Anka" is high plan, and the new Ukrainian UAV (according to the image) low wing, as well as the configuration of their plumage is different. But it’s too early to say, since we were shown a preliminary model, and we will only find out how the UAV actually looks like in October.
Why didn't the author of the news then compare the Ukrainian UAV with the American MQ-1/9? Because the author of the news does not "fumble" about how to make stuffing, if he wanted, he somehow brought the USA here, but the author chose Turkey.
A century rebuttal is ready, where is my chocolate bar?

[svp67]

Quote: Holgerton

Why did the author of the news then not compare the Ukrainian UAV with the American MQ-1/9?

Why not compare it with our Orion?

[1976AG]

How to distinguish Ukrainian UAV from Turkish? We knock, look, tell.

[Thorvlobnor IV]

"Anka": high-winged V-tail.
Sokol-200: a low-wing aircraft with a Y-shaped tail unit.
The author believes that with a "licensed assembly" it is possible to assemble a "Moskvich" from a Zhiguli?

[NDR-791]

And nobody has ever seen him in real life. And what glider he has is not yet known. The first picture to the article is a computer drawing. And as you know, it’s also written on the fence ... Look, there’s firewood.

[APASUS]

Ukraine has followed in the footsteps of China, the only question is, will mass production be pulled? Enough to buy pennies for the Armed Forces of Ukraine or is it just a project again

[Russobel]

received the designation "Falcon-200"

I did not have time to take off, but already a load of 200.
But bad luck ...

[cniza]

And no one suggested.

[cniza]

I believe that it is quite realistic to take such an aircraft into service in a year and a half. Start flying there, after nine months, and leave another 8-9 months for all test work and development

Go to the record.

[Ros 56]

According to the yellow-black color, and the rest will be Turkish.

[WOLF330]

Quote: CSKA

The Russian Federation already has a shock UAV; it is undergoing tests.

So is there already or is being tested?))

[WOLF330]

Quote: Samara_63

Not the RQ-4 Global Hawk is really incredibly cool, it constantly hangs over Sochi and listens to everything there

Well, if over Sochi, then only the Armenian radio))

[Alexey from Perm]

Russia doesn’t have that either ...

[Oleg1263]

How not? Yes - UAV "Orion"

[Evil 55]

It is amazing how much fruitful UKRAINE is fools-dreamers after 2014 ...

[makasan34]

Quote: Samara_63

The best drone UAV in the USA

uh no you're still mistaken, the best UAV in Israel

[Andylw]

But Russia has nothing to brag about in the area of ​​shock drones ..
altius is still in tests, orion falls constantly.
But the main! and orion and altius are scouts ...
with drums we just have trouble: ((((
not only the Americans jumped us a long time ago, but also the Chinese and Turks
a shame

[Rzzz]

Quote: Samara_63

hanging over Sochi and listening to everything there

Songs from discos in rest houses are relayed to the pintagon dungeons ..
In secret bunkers, the incessant sounds: "Valeraa! Valera! Love, hope and faith !!"