The Coalition-SV howitzer combat module will be equipped with ships of the Russian Navy

There was information that the "Coalition-SV" howitzer will also have a marine "brother". This was stated by the head of the Central Research Institute "Petrel" Pavel Kovalev.

"Coalition-SV" - Russian self-propelled howitzer caliber 152 mm. It has been in service with the Russian Armed Forces since 2015.

According to Pavel Kovalev, who gave an interview to the news agency TASS, the characteristics of the Coalition-SV combat module are such that such weapons can also be installed on ships of the Navy fleet.

It is noted that even at the design stage, the issue of the interspecific version of the artillery system was considered. In essence, the approach implemented in the design of the Coalition-SV combat module allows a range of different weapons to be produced. Pavel Kovalev noted that this approach is also explained by the name of weapons - “Coalition”.

The self-propelled howitzer "Coalition-SV" ammunition reaches 70 ammunition. The total mass of this equipment is 48 tons. Firing range - up to 80 km (for certain types of ammunition). Engine power - about 1 thousand hp In addition to the main gun, the self-propelled howitzer is armed with a 12,7 mm machine gun.

Earlier it was reported that on the basis of this development a coastal defense complex will be created.

Comments

[rocket757]

But do they put guns on ships? If this is not a river monitor, for artillery support of land operations.

[Oleg1263]

Well, it’s not clear why they call it a howitzer (maybe the gunners tell me). By all characteristics, this is a gun. The barrel is 52 caliber long.

[Nick]

She can shoot like a howitzer, on a hinged trajectory. IMHO for this she was called. Universal gun in general.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Nick

She can shoot like a howitzer

And yet, apparently, there is the possibility of "mortar shooting".

[Alex777]

And there is also a possibility - "a flurry of fire".
6 shells arrive almost simultaneously at the expense of a different elevation angle of the barrel and a variable charge.

[seregatara1969]

A marine shell is somehow more reliable than a rocket

[Herman 4223]

Probably more correct "cannon-howitzer", two in one, so to speak.

[pmkemcity]

Quote: rocket757

But do they put guns on ships?

2A88 is no longer a "howitzer" - the barrel length is 52 caliber!

[Alexander Samoilov]

2A88 is more of a multifunctional system than a howitzer in the classical sense.

[rocket757]

Not an artilleryman, in general, although he started with anti-aircraft barrels ... just what was written in the text surprised me.
If the system is universal, then in general it is clear how it can be installed on ships.

[Per se.]

Quote: rocket757

how it can be installed on ships.

There are not only cannons for the sea, but also for the rivers. Tank towers have long been installed on armored boats, river monitors, small artillery ships, for example, on the Danube, Ussuri and Amur. The photo shows a ship of project 1248 ("Mosquito"), the Russian Coast Guard (a tower from the T-55 in the bow installation).

Maybe the tower with the "Coalition" will fit in to support the marines from the landing ships.

[rocket757]

Everything is clear about river monitors. They are mainly for "work" along the banks.

[Bad_gr]

So after all, this option has long been proposed ("Coalition-F"):

Or is this another suggestion?

[Bad_gr]

Another option, from them (this was proposed during the development of the "Coalition")

[Bad_gr]

Quote: rocket757

If the system is universal,

It used to be easier with definitions (at the moment I don’t know).
--------- Barrel length in calibres -------
gun --------------- 40-80 calibers
Howitzer gun - at least 30 calibers
howitzer ------------- 15-30 calibers
mortar ------------ less than 15 calibers

According to this qualification, "Tsar Cannon" is not a cannon, but a mortar.

[rocket757]

Quote: Bad_gr

According to this qualification, "Tsar Cannon" is not a cannon, but a mortar.

Is this clear ...
I wanted to write that the old, muzzle charging guns are a separate issue ... and then I remembered about dynamite guns on ships. With them, something else was. Why did they lower the trunks into a special niche?

[vadivm59]

when creating the "Tsar Cannon" it was called a shotgun. she had to shoot "stone shot"

[Albert1988]

Quote: vadivm59

when creating the "Tsar Cannon" it was called a shotgun. she had to shoot "stone shot"

Not really - it should have been fired with a stone core initially, like any normal bombard, and it was retrained into a shotgun later, when the barrel was already old and could be torn apart when fired with one large stone core - it was safer to charge with a stone shot

[alexmach]

I mean old? She never shot! Like a shotgun-gambler, it was originally cast. To defeat manpower.

[Simargl]

Quote: alexmach

Like a shotgun-gambler, it was originally cast. To defeat manpower.

She struck manpower as it should be: when the "guests" sovereigns were shown this "nuclear" weapon, they methodically beat them off with their jaw ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: alexmach

I mean old? She never shot!

Firstly, there is still no consensus on the account of "never fired" - there is still no consensus; secondly, with the then manufacturing technologies, even a gun that never fired, after lying down, say, for 40 years, was already recognized as old and was recorded in "shotguns".

[alexmach]

Firstly, about "never shot" - there is still no consensus

Not a punctured firing hole is not an argument in favor of not shooting?

[Albert1988]

Quote: alexmach

Not a punctured firing hole is not an argument in favor of not shooting?

Not everything is clear with the "impenetrability" of the ignition hole - there is an opinion that this is a later rivet, and very, very late. But some studies of the barrel bore indicate that there are marks of a shot on it.
In general, the Egyptian cannon of myths was simply fenced off with the Egyptian pyramid, but studies, including recent ones, using already very modern technologies, are unknown to the general public from something ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: Bad_gr

According to this qualification, "Tsar Cannon" is not a cannon, but a mortar.

The Tsar Cannon is generally a siege bombardment, not a cannon - its bore diameter changes from the muzzle to the "breech end".

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Albert1988

The Tsar Cannon is generally a siege bombardment,

At the very beginning, the diameter of the channel into which the projectile is placed is 90 cm, and at the end it is 82 cm. At a distance of 31,9 cm, the channel is conical. Next is the charging chamber. The diameter at the beginning is 44,7 cm and at the end 46,7 cm. The length of such a chamber is 173 cm.

[BARKAS]

A normal ship than they do not like?

[Zaurbek]

Replace 130mm?

[Bashkirkhan]

A double-barreled vertical gun on a flat-bottomed reed river artillery boat .... But these are all dreams, dreams ... The A-1404 firing test stand is a 2-barreled 152 mm 2A86 from the Coalition-SV on a B-4 carriage:

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Double shotgun vertical

We drove a double-barreled shotgun, for years ... In short, in 2015 a single-barrel was rolled out.

[Bashkirkhan]

A double-barreled gun is also possible on the boat. He has fewer restrictions in terms of mass. Two self-propelled guns are too difficult and not very comfortable for the crew. It was originally named Coalition-SV from the concept of "Coalition of two weapons". For purely aesthetic reasons, it's a pity that the double-barreled gun was abandoned

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

On the boat you can and a shotgun. He has less restrictions on the mass.

Hehehehe ... Designers of RCC also thought so.

... the dimensions of the missiles again directly "crawled out" through the ship. “Armed men” did not understand this at all: “Just think, they added“ just something ”(!) Less than a meter of length and less than a ton (!) Of weight” (meaning a new rocket). Looking ahead, we note that these “only something” cost the ship an additional 13 m in length, 2,3 m in width and 2700 tons of displacement.

© V.P. Kuzin
When installing a more powerful and more large-sized gun, dances immediately begin around the cutouts in the structures, loads during firing (statics and dynamics), increase in cellars, changes in the feed system, local reinforcements, etc., etc.

[Bashkirkhan]

I completely agree. So I write that all this is a dream. Most likely there will be nothing in iron.

[bayard]

In iron, it could appear on new large landing ships - to support the landing force with fire, on the projected 22350M and on future larger ships (but not the nuclear "Leader" - mind us all from him).

[Alex777]

The main difference between 152 mm and 130 mm is that in the case of the first one it is possible to gasp for SBP, and from the second it is not, but it is possible to shoot at air targets.
I heard that there is a tacit agreement with the United States and did not put 152 and 155 mm on ships before. But with Zamvolt they circumvented this arrangement. Which ended up sideways for them.
At first, the states also wanted 155 mm on Burke III, but then they returned to 127 mm.
In the 70s, they even made an automatic 203 mm ship cannon.
12 rds / min.! But then they all turned off. Allegedly in finance.
IMHO - so that our did not do this and put on the ships.
https://www.wikiwand.com/ru/8%22/55_Mark_71

[vadivm59]

why be sorry? the specialists wrote that a technically very complex unit turned out. that for maintenance and repairs a whole "battalion" of engineers and electronics engineers was needed. It was too expensive.

[Doccor18]

Correct, extremely late decision. Back in the 50s, all projects of medium-large-caliber naval artillery were hacked to death. To this day, they routinely use 100 mm. , the consistency of which is questionable. And the "largest" caliber is 130 mm, which is also frankly weak against the coast. 152 mm. - this is already something.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Doccor18

Back in the 50s, they cut down all the projects of medium-large-caliber naval artillery.

Khrushchev needs to be thanked. He then practically buried the whole art, with his idiocy.

[Uncle Izya]

But rocket weapons in priority was 128 mm in the United States, like the largest caliber on ships

[bayard]

Quote: Uncle Izya

128 mm in the usa seems to be the largest caliber on ships

155 mm. on "Zumwalt".

[Uncle Izya]

Well, so far they have big problems with zumwalt

[bayard]

But the guns are there. Simple, not electromagnetic.

[Kurare]

Quote: Doccor18

True, to an extremely belated decision.

Here, as always, there are two sides of the coin. The requirement for naval artillery systems is not only firing at nazamnaya / surface targets, but also at anti-aircraft ones. From that other requirements to the rate of fire, from that and "smaller" calibers.

In addition, the Moremans are very jealous of "naval" calibers and do not give a go to "land" ones.

IMHO, the installation of "Coalition" on ships, for example, of the first rank will not meet the requirements of sailors. But to put such a system on ships that were originally intended to support the landing of an assault force is the very thing! From 152mm you can shoot with special charges.

By the way, in Germany, too, they tried to install the Pzh-2000 on a ship, and also the sailors rejected it.
http://tonnel-ufo.ru/foto/images_stati/vernutsya_li_linkory_4.jpg

[Doccor18]

The requirement for naval artillery systems is not only shooting at long-range / surface targets, but also at anti-aircraft.

Once there were such requirements and opportunities ...
And in modern conditions, I can hardly imagine how the AK-130 can provide air defense of a ship. SAM can hardly cope with this.
And to hit the ship ... If only to sink that RCC did not sink.
Now the main task for artillery systems is to work along the coast.

Moreover, the Moremans are very jealous of the "naval" calibers and do not give way to the "land" ones. 

Unfortunately, sometimes all kinds and types of troops are captured by various covert games.

By the way, in Germany, too, they tried to install the Pzh-2000 on a ship, and also the sailors rejected

Of course, if you remove it from the self-propelled guns, you won’t put it on the ship. It requires fine-tuning, and preferably a specially developed system of caliber 152-180 mm is better. for ships of the Navy.
And they rejected it, because there was insufficient rate of fire and a barrel resource. On the shore, these problems can be solved by the number of sau, not on the ship.
Therefore, in my opinion, the ship should have at least 4 barrels, 2 two-gun mounts each, in the manner of the AK-130, only without such gigantic dimensions and prohibitive rate of fire. 15-20 rounds per minute is enough to work along the coast.

[Kurare]

Quote: Doccor18

Once there were such requirements and opportunities ...

The fact of the matter is that these requirements have not been removed, and with new control algorithms, for example, a 100mm gun with "smart" ammunition against subsonic anti-ship missiles is a very serious argument.

Quote: Doccor18

Unfortunately, sometimes all kinds and types of troops are captured by various covert games.

Yes and no. Do not forget about logistics, i.e. the heterogeneity of ammunition, as well as special requirements for it in humid and salty environments.

Quote: Doccor18

It requires fine-tuning, and preferably a specially developed system of caliber 152-180 mm is better.

So they tried to finish it. They set it up for experiments. If I’m not mistaken, it was the Bundesmarine that did not rate the rate of fire.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Doccor18

And in modern conditions, I can hardly imagine how the AK-130 can provide air defense of a ship.

Guided missiles - such as Italian DART. The Italians managed to make even a 76-mm guided projectile and tested it on a target simulating maneuvering anti-ship missiles. Of the 10 shells fired, the Sukanti Autonomous Okrug took all 10 to the target. Distance - started from 5 km, completed 3 km.

[Doccor18]

Of course you are right, the future is for guided munitions, but here is the 76mm caliber. too small ..

The mass of the DART shell with a detachable pallet of 4,2 kg, without a pallet of 3,5 kg, the mass of a pre-fragmented warhead made of tungsten alloy 2,5 

Can such a projectile intercept a heavy supersonic pcb?
How much can one art.system intercept PCR at the same time, taking into account the fact that it is alone on the ship. An exception, the frigates of the Horizon, which the Italians 3 set.
Well, for the coast, a guided projectile is preferable (cheaper) to missiles, but again at least 152 mm.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Doccor18

Of course you are right, the future is for guided munitions, but here is the 76mm caliber. too small ..

I cited it as an example - in what caliber are the serial guided projectiles currently packed.
If you made a guided projectile in the caliber of 76 mm, then there should be no problems with the caliber of 130 mm.

Quote: Doccor18

How much can one art.system intercept PCR at the same time, taking into account the fact that it is alone on the ship.

All alone? Nothing more, nothing?
AU - this is only one of the components of the ship's air defense system and formations. Her task may be to shoot through what passed through the frontiers of an air defense system, but has not yet reached the turn of the ZAK fire.

[Doccor18]

All alone? Nothing more, nothing?  

Well, why, there’s something

with a caliber of 130 mm there should be no problems.

Where are they just ...?
And with the caliber in more, there would also be no problems ..

[Serg65]

Quote: Doccor18

I can hardly imagine how the AK-130 can provide air defense of a ship

Anti-aircraft missile ZS-44R plus radar MR-104 at a range of 20 km with a radius of destruction of 8 meters fully provides air defense in the complex.

[starshina]

The rate of fire this past century the fleet needs smart ammunition - one shot one hit .... And you all want to work on the areas ..

[Rzzz]

Smart shells are good. But expensive.
In any mosquito boat, you can put a dozen conventional shells, if there is good guidance. It will be cheaper.

[Galleon]

I believe that some kind of news filter on VO should still be present! Either Pavel Kovalev is made of this news as an asshole, misinterpreting his words, or it was not worthwhile to post this note because this leader is somewhat unaware of issues of marine artillery systems. It’s one thing when the entire artillery system in one compartment on the chassis and b / c 70 pcs, and another thing - cellars, carousels, automatic loaders with b / c 15000 pcs and a total height of 15 meters with the tower, like the AK-130. In naval artillery, the approach to designing systems is different.
Well, you do not need to catch and publish every official word. Why set up a crazy house for ourselves?

[garri-lin]

The most sober koment.

[Galleon]

Alas, I made one mistake in the AK-130 b / c there are one and a half thousand. Just noticed.

[garri-lin]

This is not important. This is more than 5 minutes of firing inherent in the Coalition.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Galleon

In naval artillery, the approach to designing systems is different.

[starshina]

AK-130 is outdated both in range and in accuracy this past century ...

[Pavel57]

The AK-130 is a failed system.

[garri-lin]

How is she unsuccessful?

[Pavel57]

A compromise, in fact, does not solve a single problem well. Ergonomics is absent as a concept. The first is recognized by the Chinese.

[garri-lin]

Chinese authority. The question is what the operators will say.

[Pavel57]

I spoke not with the Chinese, but with domestic experts. The Chinese can recognize this more simply, our authorities do not give them a decree.

[garri-lin]

It is a working system and this is the most important thing.

[Doccor18]

For its time, it was an exceptionally powerful ship artillery system with unprecedented rate of fire for a similar caliber. Soviet designers were able to solve complex, almost impossible tasks, sometimes beyond common sense.

[Pavel57]

Rate of fire is impressive, range is not impressive. It would be interesting to know its effectiveness in air defense.

[garri-lin]

What do you dislike about a 20+ km range? This is a marine system. By moving targets, far from shooting. Dodge during the flight. And on the shore purely for finishing. Density is more important than range.

[Pavel57]

And how much do you need to shoot the main caliber at planes and missiles?

[garri-lin]

There is already a difficult question. I doubt the effectiveness of the aircraft. In the effectiveness of attacking missiles, it is not the ultimate range that matters, but the density at the optimum range.

[Serg65]

Quote: Pavel57

range - not impressive.

What range do you need?

Quote: Pavel57

It is interesting to know its effectiveness in air defense.

Not SAM, of course, but completely!

[Pavel57]

Compare with analogues - the range of Mark 45 mod. 4 -38 km. With a weight of 4 times less than the AK-130.

[garri-lin]

Skorostrelnrst many times less. Ammunition is many times less. Range by the way incomprehensibly indicate. Maximum 38. Optimal 15. And with an active projectile up to 115. The installation is certainly good but not a child prodigy.

[starshina]

In range, all naval artillery systems are out of date forever ...

[Galleon]

Oh, comrade !! ... You should have been at her shooting once, to feel the power ... Although in some ways you are right.
This system absolutely does not tolerate (or did not tolerate) incompetence in service. Dozens of intermittently failing contact switches are a serious challenge for the battalion commander's brains. If this KP scheme (which one is responsible for) - the "multiplication table" by the battalion commander is memorized - the AK-130 will work like the AK-47.

[czes]

What a stupid photo?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: czes

What a stupid photo?

The rest is classified.

[Pavel57]

Earlier it was reported that on the basis of this development a coastal defense complex will be created.

SHORE it is time to change.

[Grits]

Quote: Pavel57

SHORE it is time to change.

Shore and Kaolitsiya are completely different systems. You forget that the Shore is for hitting ships. And all its systems, from target designation to this are sharpened. The coalition will never fulfill the task assigned to the Coast.
Yes, and what to change? How many of those shore complexes are we - a few on the Black Sea coast and that’s it.

[Desperado]

Quote: Pavel57

Earlier it was reported that on the basis of this development a coastal defense complex will be created.

SHORE it is time to change.

What's the point in changing the "Shore"? Nowhere to spend money?

[Pavel57]

In addition to shooting at ships, the "coast" must shoot at ground targets. Now the range is 25 km. will not be enough.

[starshina]

It’s time to coax the Coalition and Derivation for a long time and install them on ships. It’s better to unify land and naval calibers and shells for them. A modified Coalition will give the fleet fantastic power. And if you modify shells like Krasnopol using moving sea targets and shells with remote air-blasting goals, it would be just fantastic !!! I’m not saying how much money can be saved for the Russian state ...

[Galleon]

Quote: Starshina

And it is better to unify land and sea calibers and shells for them.

The 130mm caliber AK-130 unitary projectile weighs 75 kg, together with a stretcher for carrying - 84 kg. But we have a high degree of automation of loading and firing, which is mandatory for a marine artillery system. What will you do with the Coalition's separate loading?

Quote: Starshina

And if we modify shells like Krasnopol using moving sea targets and shells with remote detonation of air targets, it would be fantastic!

Shells with RL fuses have been around for ... quite a long time. Krasnopol ?? What armored naval targets do you want to hit with them?

Quote: Starshina

I’m not saying how much money can be saved for the Russian state ...

If you want to save money - do not ruin the developers of marine artillery systems, their equipment is much more complicated than tower guns on the chassis, and these designers solve more serious problems.

[rusboris]

Separate loading makes it possible to produce 10 rounds per minute. For sedentary purposes it is quite enough. It makes it possible to save barrel survivability on charges for a shorter range. Support for the marine corps in the near future will be the primary task of the fleet not included in the nuclear triad. Therefore, calibers of 152-180 mm have become relevant, and with them separate charging.

[illi]

Also ofigel from comments. Most do not understand the difference between unitary and separate loading. For marine systems, of course, only unitary loading is necessary, the weight of the projectile is not as critical as for the dryers, loading in the port and then everything is done by automation. But separate loading will greatly increase the complexity, weight and reduce the rate of fire.
Well, shooting along the coast is generally IMHO beyond the bounds of common sense for a modern ship. 152 mm is the caliber for the destroyer cruiser. To drive a modern billionth destroyer into the coastal zone under mines and missiles to support the infantry is an idea. But to make a special ship for these purposes is also not an idea.

[rusboris]

Reassessment of modern threats Spend money on stealth destroyers and then look for how to support the marines! This is a great strategic gap in the thinking of admirals. In 1940, aircraft carriers were underestimated. In 2020, were left without UDC, BDK and artillery armored cruisers. The nuclear and missile component of the Russian fleet is sufficient. There are not enough raiders and amphibious assault forces for a low-intensity war.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

With a firing range of 30-40 thousand meters, what are you afraid of in the coastal zone? Moreover, a frigate or landing ship can fire while in motion, partially protecting itself from coastal artillery fire.

[Grits]

Quote: Starshina

It's time to lull the Coalition for a long time

There is a horse and there is a camel. And wallpaper can carry loads. Only one is fast and the other is in the desert. I propose to "desertify" the horse - it will carry the load across the desert faster.

[Shadow041]

This is a normal move, since it will partially allow to unify the armament of the army and navy and increase the capabilities of the Russian fleet in artillery support for naval landing, if necessary.

[rusboris]

The world's foremost fleets are in a state of reassessment of missions and ship classes. Our admirals need to guess and order ships for a future war. In my opinion, the United States is not going to hell. Therefore, the Russian Navy will not fight with the main "partner". Our fleet needs to provide marines and airborne forces with fire and resources for battle, to lift the blockade from friendly coastal countries, to ensure a naval blockade of states that are not loyal to Russia. There are good 1958 projects for that. For example the cruiser "Admiral Senyavin" there are two turrets of the main caliber 152 mm. Armor 120 mm homogeneous steel. Displacement 16000 tons. This is the real master of future naval battles in a low-intensity war (set-centric). These are not "cardboard" frigates that turn into a sieve from a close rupture of anti-ship missiles. The squadron, led by a modern version of the "Admiral Senyavin", consisting of UDC, BDK, frigate, corvettes, submarine. It will free any port from the blockade, without sinking the destroyers of the "partners", only carefully making them "bulk with the stem in the stern."

[NF68]

The self-propelled howitzer "Coalition-SV" ammunition reaches 70 ammunition.

70 ammunition. Or is it 70 shells?

[Evil 55]

There is no certainty that the article was written by an Expert, and not by Pisak for the sake of publication ... neither relevance nor conclusions were considered ..

[petrol cutter]

Armed ships ...
From something which is not specified. Are there suitable steamboats for such a caliber?! ..

[Nikolay2]

What is being discussed here? There are no universal tools. The ship’s gun has its own specifics and sculpting a land gun on ships and boats is a madhouse. And again, there are no analogues, the best in the world, etc. Yesterday Roscosmos shouted that reusable space rockets were bullshit - and today it asks for money for their development. It will be the same with this howitzer.

[bk0010]

Six-inch fleet is good, it's a classic. But a number of questions arise.
1) Where to put it? We build a maximum of frigates (22350), will it crack from 6 "?
2) The coalition howitzer, the fleet needs a universal gun (on the surface and air defense), can they make a six-inch universal?
3) For the fleet, you need to nullify the gun. This is not only increased corrosion resistance, but also water cooling (how will the barrel relate to it during long-term shooting?), And unitary firing (and with the unitar all these Coalition’s super-bangs, such as plasma ignition and others, will be able to prove themselves? And if not, then fuck goat button accordion?).

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The range and accuracy of the "Coalition" are so great that the game is worth the candle.