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In NI: F-35 is the only aircraft capable of completing A-10, F-16, F-18, and AV-8B Harrier missions.

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It is believed that the purchase of F-35 fighter-bombers does not justify the cost of their acquisition. But not everyone agrees with this point of view.


Among them is Brad Curran, director of aerospace, defense and security at Frost & Sullivan, who expressed his position to the National Interest.

Some believe that if you use older equipment and modernize it, it is able to perform tasks as well as the F-35, but for less money. Their opponents argue that only the F-35 has such a combination of speed, maneuverability, secrecy and flexibility that allows it to survive and defeat modern fighters and air defense systems.

According to Carran, the F-35 is the only model capable of performing the tasks of the A-10 Thunderbolt II, F-16 Fighting Falcon, F / A-18 Super Hornet and AV-8B Harrier aircraft. And even, perhaps, the F-35 copes with its tasks even better.

In addition, many of these models have been in operation for many years, and older aircraft are more expensive to maintain than new ones.

It should also be borne in mind that the high-tech fighter follows the same trend as consumer electronics. It lies in the fact that with increasing volumes of production prices fall. And the more aircraft will be produced, the more prices will drop.

Carran also points out that Lockheed Martin uses components from across the United States to manufacture the F-35. This stimulates the creation of new jobs across the country.

It is also important that the pilots who had to fly this aircraft respond positively about it, noting its high reliability.

Based on this, Brad Carran concludes that the cost of the fighter is quite justified:

In my opinion, yes, the F-35 is well worth the cost.

At the same time, the USA did not (at the moment) name the cause of the fall of the fifth-generation fighter F-35, which occurred several weeks ago.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 3 July 2020 10: 15
    +6
    A10 I don’t know ... but F18, Harrier, F16 is quite
    1. smart ass
      smart ass 3 July 2020 10: 22
      19
      Perform tasks a10 on f35))) well perverts
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 3 July 2020 10: 25
        +5
        You can complete the task ... even Gatling25mm is powerful. The question is how many such sorties will survive the F35.
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 3 July 2020 10: 32
          +4
          Madjahideen from a gun hollowing with f35 entertainment for the bourgeois
          1. mvg
            mvg 3 July 2020 11: 43
            -7
            entertainment for the bourgeoisie

            Well, the Russian Federation can afford to fight with bearded strategists. And the departure of the TU-160 will obviously be more expensive. Yes, two million rockets alone cost money.
            1. smart ass
              smart ass 3 July 2020 12: 24
              +3
              We have su 25 for this in abundance
              1. mvg
                mvg 3 July 2020 12: 49
                -5
                We have sou 25

                Yes, they are only able, only cast iron to work. Before modernization. But just modernized on the fingers of one hand can be counted. And as the events of 08.08 showed, they are not so unbroken.
                1. smart ass
                  smart ass 3 July 2020 13: 23
                  +1
                  08.08 was a long time ago
                  1. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek 4 July 2020 13: 13
                    0
                    A long time ago, but you can remember the loss of aviation ....
              2. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 4 July 2020 13: 12
                0
                Would bring them to the modern level A10 and give the same weapon and everything is ok.
        2. Ka-52
          Ka-52 3 July 2020 10: 52
          +4
          You can complete the task

          depending on what task. Reset GBU-39 for 100km - completely. But by the way, like any of the above. Neither better nor worse.
          Another thing when it comes to AGM-65, freely falling type M82, NUR and so on. - Penguin, well, not the topic in any way. No need to pull this globe on him
        3. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 3 July 2020 11: 20
          +1
          There is no gatling on the F-35B with vertical take-off.
    2. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 3 July 2020 10: 24
      -5
      Quote: Zaurbek
      A10 I do not know

      Now the A10 has no barrage tasks over the battlefield, just a platform for guided weapons. Here, even the combat load plays little role.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 3 July 2020 10: 27
        +2
        If there is no problem to be resistant to shelling from 12,7 and 23mm, then it is ....
      2. Ka-52
        Ka-52 3 July 2020 10: 54
        +9
        Now the A10 has no barrage tasks over the battlefield, just a platform for guided weapons.

        for some reason, the American command is always not aware of the new trends in their tactics and of which the Russian-speaking sofa experts are so well aware
      3. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 3 July 2020 19: 00
        0
        The plane of the battlefield must have armor, because they will beat from all the trunks and according to the theory of probability and the law of meanness, let someone fall. How much armor is on the F - 35?
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 3 July 2020 19: 05
          -3
          Once again, manned aircraft in the US Army and Navy are not used directly above the battlefield. The concept of a manned airplane or a helicopter of a battlefield is absent from them. All strikes are delivered from a long range and altitude, in extreme cases, folds of terrain are used. From which platform to send a guided missile does not matter.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 3 July 2020 19: 12
            0
            That is, a priori - no enemy? And if he suddenly turns out to be, purely by chance? Will give a queue of Kalash and 70 million bucks "down the drain"?
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 3 July 2020 19: 18
              -3
              Hit first, they won’t stand aiming .. Airplanes have speeds in the region of 1000 km at an altitude of 100-200 meters, a helicopter from the horizon will appear for ten seconds to send helpers. It is clear that there is an accident, but nothing will save from an accident. 99% of strikes occur from a height of 5-10 km where 100% will not get anything. Naturally, all this after the destruction of enemy aircraft and air defense.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 3 July 2020 21: 08
                0
                And who will destroy the air defense? And MANPADS? Aiming at a point target from a height of 10 km.?)))
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 3 July 2020 21: 13
                  -2
                  Air defense is destroyed in the first place, by various means, how you can read it. MANPADS in height operate at 4 km. What is the problem of getting from a height of 10 km? None. Look out the window, there is 2020. Read what and how the USA and Western countries are fighting. That's all, all the best.
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 3 July 2020 21: 52
                    +1
                    Of course I read, I especially like the way they fight in Afghanistan)))) If you don’t know, there are mountains up to 6 km high. F - 35 is at an altitude of 10 km. 6 + 4 will be fast?)))
                  2. tralflot1832
                    tralflot1832 4 July 2020 05: 45
                    0
                    Outside the window is 2020. We are reading the military doctrine of Russia. We can use a nuclear bomb. There will not be 100 years of inadequacy, until they come up with something new!
    3. lucul
      lucul 3 July 2020 11: 07
      0
      A10 I don’t know ... but F18, Harrier, F16 is quite

      Yes, all this is a fairy tale about a white bull. Advertising, no more.
      F-35 is one of the most unsuccessful US fighters in history.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 3 July 2020 11: 25
        +4
        Well, the F-35B modification is quite an interesting fighter, it can be based outside airfields, which increases survival, because airfields are all under the gun. Yes, with a vertical take-off, it can take only 1 ton of combat load, but this is enough with the head Aim-120 weighs about 170 kg. Bombs also have a small diameter SDB-1 and SDB-2 (Small Diameter Bomb) weight of 130 kg.
        1. 5-9
          5-9 3 July 2020 11: 58
          -3
          He has no vertical take-off, only landing ... take-off is short.
          1. Courier
            Courier 3 July 2020 12: 20
            +2
            There is a vertical take-off. YouTube is full of video
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 3 July 2020 13: 49
              +3
              There is a vertical take-off ........ was originally. but subsequent mods lost it. the fact is that in the first mods the entire ammunition consisted of 6 AIM-120. (132), external suspension components were absent. therefore, the lifting rotor was removed and the ammunition load doubled. and subsequent mods even began to be equipped with external suspension components ..... in short look at TTX ... and make sure that they are .TX. the lightning bolts are below the baseboard .... why is the old man F-16 there. even the F-5 tiger pulled it on the kukan from the squadron Aggressor ...... in short the failure with lightning. ..the Department of Economics is pushing them insolently. even if the ally rests tightly
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 3 July 2020 13: 16
        -1
        Well, as the goods are very personal, they imposed on many people, they raised the dough.
      3. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 3 July 2020 13: 43
        +1
        Quote: lucul
        F-35 is one of the most unsuccessful US fighters in history.

        Well, if you look at this information from a different perspective, they are all-out, then the F-35 is not so successful.
        The Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida claims that the explosion at the Parchin defense site on the night of June 26 was the result of an attack by Israeli Air Force F-35s capable of reaching Iran without the need for air refueling.
        This does not apply to the F-35, but still interesting too.
        According to the newspaper, the explosion at a nuclear facility in Natanz, which took place less than a week later, was the result of an attack by Israeli hackers that provoked an explosion in tanks containing uranium fluoride, a gas necessary for enriching uranium. According to the newspaper, the explosion destroyed 2% of gas reserves in Iran, the explosion led to the formation of cracks in the dome of the reactor.
        Let's wait, we can find out something else
    4. bk0010
      bk0010 4 July 2020 11: 17
      0
      The main advantage of the F-16 is the low price of the board and flight hours. So not quite.
  2. Revolver
    Revolver 3 July 2020 10: 16
    -3
    Jack of all trades, master of none.
  3. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 3 July 2020 10: 18
    +3
    Carran also points out that Lockheed Martin uses components from across the United States to manufacture the F-35. This stimulates the creation of new jobs across the country.

    A familiar argument. Pomnitsa, the People’s Commissar of Shipbuilding, Comrade Nosenko, argued in the same way about the need for the Navy to buy all the junk of pre-war projects: if the fleet doesn’t order obsolete ships, the Nosenko’s department will have nothing to build, the workers will be left without work - that is, the Navy’s Commissar with his fleet renewal program goes against working class. smile
  4. Eug
    Eug 3 July 2020 10: 19
    +1
    Named 4 aircraft, which the Penguin can replace on tasks. But one or even two F-35s will not be able to replace these aircraft if it is required to simultaneously solve 4 different tasks of these 4 types. And time may turn out to be irreplaceable ...
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 3 July 2020 10: 20
    0
    In NI: F-35 is the only aircraft capable of completing A-10, F-16, F-18, and AV-8B Harrier missions.

    Maybe so, but whether it will be done with due efficiency.
    To reduce everything into one, very universal position ... that something always, as a result, suffers, although there are pluses.
    From a reasonable balance, to a fiasco one step.
  6. orionvitt
    orionvitt 3 July 2020 10: 25
    +6
    Nonsense. Not a single "universal" vehicle is capable of performing combat missions (and not only), better than specialized ones, specially designed for these tasks. In the USSR, starting from the end of the 30s, at the suggestion of Stalin, the idea of ​​universalism was eradicated (Tukhachevsky was an ardent adherent of universalism in the army) and since then, all Soviet military equipment has been purely specialized. Which undoubtedly contributed to the success in terms of performing combat missions.
  7. NEXUS
    NEXUS 3 July 2020 10: 29
    10
    F-35 as an assault platform, such as a Warthog is a one-way ticket to the pilot. No F-35 can be compared in terms of survivability, and specific specialization with a full-fledged attack aircraft.
    And given the price of Lightning, I’m sure that not one NATO general will send such equipment for an attack, if there is at least a small chance that the enemy has at least MANPADS, I'm not talking about more serious air defense systems.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 3 July 2020 10: 42
      -3
      The A10 has no barrage tasks over the battlefield, just a platform for guided weapons. The concept of a helicopter / airplane on a battlefield is simply not in the west. All tasks are performed outside the range of air defense systems of near radius, from a great height or using the relief.
      Over the war zone, UAVs are now "weighing". In the concept of aviation development, there is no place for airplanes like the A10 and the “teenage” F series. There will remain various UAVs, F35, transport aircraft.
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 4 July 2020 11: 24
        +1
        Quote: Grazdanin
        A10 has no barrage tasks over the battlefield
        This is no reason to make a replacement for the A-10. Parcels on the F-35 can also be transported, but for some reason no one calls it a replacement for the C-17.
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 3 July 2020 11: 27
      -1
      F-35 will work from a great height.
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 4 July 2020 01: 27
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      there is at least a small probability that the enemy has at least MANPADS

      But what kind of MANPADS are there, at those altitudes and speeds at which the attack is being conducted, he and the DShK will suffice. This Warthog A-10 even Shilka will not fail at once, because the armor and multiple duplication of systems, and the F-35 armor, if any, is purely nominal. The real work of the F-35 is to take out the enemy’s air defense, using invisibility, or what a single object is covered by air defense, such as the Jews working in Syria. And support on the battlefield is the task of A-10 and Apache.
  8. igorra
    igorra 3 July 2020 10: 31
    +1
    So why is a narrow specialist appreciated higher and the quality of his work is not comparable with a generalist?
  9. ydjin
    ydjin 3 July 2020 10: 39
    +3
    Station wagon, maybe everything but somehow. This is a common history of universalism.
  10. Desert Battleship
    Desert Battleship 3 July 2020 11: 04
    +3
    Replace A10? Seriously? Then start hammering nails with a microscope, well, stupidity ..
  11. Lesorub
    Lesorub 3 July 2020 11: 26
    +3
    According to Carran, the F-35 is the only model capable of performing the tasks of the A-10 aircraft

    It causes great doubts about replacing the specialized A-10 attack aircraft, but the Americans know better))
  12. iouris
    iouris 3 July 2020 11: 42
    -2
    I understand. I don't understand why "and"?
  13. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 3 July 2020 11: 44
    +4
    None of the listed Fu-35 aircraft can fully replace. Neither in terms of armament nor flight characteristics. Moreover, it costs several times more.
    In short, another piece of advertising from a "super expert" toilet paper roll.
  14. Darkspy
    Darkspy 3 July 2020 11: 46
    +1
    The error crept not in the F / A-18 Super Hornet, but in the F / A-18 Hornet. F / A-18 Super Hornet never changed to F-35 were not going to. I thought of a program to replace the F / A-18 Super Hornet with a Boeing F / A-XX in 2030
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 3 July 2020 12: 04
      0
      FA-18, will be replaced by a promising UAV. Already launched a program to replace the super Hornets - refueling on the MQ-25.
  15. Hog
    Hog 3 July 2020 11: 48
    +4
    Fabulous marketing genius)))
    Maybe it will replace the old versions of bumblebees, but it is unlikely that the fleet will order new versions of the super bumblebee.
    The falcon will not be able either, it is noticeably cheaper, I generally am silent about the warthog.
  16. 5-9
    5-9 3 July 2020 11: 57
    -1
    Khmmm ... and SuperHornet can not perform the tasks of A-10 and F-16 for example? Yes, and Harrier, except take-off and landing?
    Why all this reasoning? Fy-35 was originally developed by all of them to replace it and this (at the same time as the low price type) was its main plus ...
  17. zwlad
    zwlad 3 July 2020 12: 10
    +2
    According to Carran, the F-35 is the only model capable of performing the tasks of the A-10 Thunderbolt II, F-16 Fighting Falcon, F / A-18 Super Hornet and AV-8B Harrier aircraft. And even, perhaps, the F-35 copes with its tasks even better.

    Amused.
    Let them show at least one attack on a real battlefield, and then return to the airfield.
    And so, in my opinion, a quite successful well-promoted good business project came out. Let's see what will remain of it after 10 years of operation (with its current sores)
  18. gvozdan
    gvozdan 3 July 2020 12: 48
    0
    F-35 is not the only aircraft, it is three aircraft. F35A instead of f16, f35V instead of Hunter, f35C instead of f18. A-10 is too special a machine for a universal solution.
    "And even MAYBE doing better ..."
    For that kind of money, he simply has to cope better, and significantly
  19. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 3 July 2020 13: 13
    -2
    An under-fighter, an under-bomber, an invisible, a non-vertical, but it costs like two normal aircraft laughing
  20. bar
    bar 3 July 2020 15: 06
    +1
    The F-35 is the only aircraft capable of completing the tasks of the A-10, F-16, F-18 and the AV-8B Harrier

    Just like a duck. Runs, swims, flies, but everything is equally bad.
  21. Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 July 2020 15: 17
    -1
    If only he wouldn’t tear his pants, he was so upset.
  22. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 3 July 2020 17: 00
    0
    Yes, such a generalist finally there is no price ...
    1. Sergey Kulikov_3
      Sergey Kulikov_3 3 July 2020 17: 29
      0
      It is necessary to produce more F35, and shove it into partners, and who will not buy, include sanctions and requisition accounts.
      That's just the Americans themselves are in no hurry to replace the A10, and the rest, on the F35, give the wrong example, a mess.
  23. Shuttle
    Shuttle 3 July 2020 17: 07
    +1
    The stewardess in the cabin of the new airliner announces what is on the plane:
    - On the first deck - luggage, on the second - a bar, on the third - a golf course, on the fourth pool.
    And adds:
    - Now, gentlemen, buckle up. Now with all this "architecture" we will try to take off.
  24. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    0
    The F-35 is the only aircraft capable of completing the tasks of the A-10, F-16, F-18 and AV-8B Harrier!
    True, it’s very shitty to fulfill them ...
  25. L-39NG
    L-39NG 8 July 2020 21: 27
    0
    It is enough to see who is the chief editor of NI and interest in this publication will disappear on its own. And fast.