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Bulgarian Military: India is ready to abandon the purchase of the Su-57 in favor of the F-35

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The Bulgarian military-themed portal Bulgarian Military, citing Indian sources, writes about India’s plans for fifth-generation fighters. At the same time, the publication voiced somewhat strange information.


The authors in an article dated July 2, 2020 write that India "may abandon the Russian Su-57 in favor of the American F-35." The strangeness, at least, is that India has not yet expressed intentions to acquire a fifth-generation Russian Su-57 aircraft, which, by the way, is not yet in service with the Russian aerospace forces.

Recall that the Indian side withdrew from a joint project with the Russian Federation to create the newest fighter - FGFA, putting forward a series of claims: from high cost to “not corresponding to the fifth generation fighter aviation engines. "

From the article of the Bulgarian edition:

According to some reports, the cost of the updated version of the Su-57 will vary from 150 to 200 million dollars, and given the fact that India plans to acquire several hundred fifth-generation fighters, it is obvious that we are talking about billions of dollars.

From where the authors of this material have data on “200 million dollars” for a Russian plane, one can only guess.

At the same time, a further phrase indicates that the publication takes its numbers, as they say, “from the ceiling”:

Given that the export value of US F-35s is about $ 120-140 million, and this combat aircraft was spotted during military operations, India is likely to truly abandon Russian fighters.

At the moment, the export value of the American F-35, according to the official data of the American manufacturer, has fallen below $ 100 million. True, there is one caveat - this price does not take into account the future ultra-expensive service of the fifth generation fighter. One update of its software costs several million dollars annually, not to mention the logistics of component supplies.

An important point: are the United States ready to supply its F-35s to India, given its contract with Russia for the supply of S-400 air defense systems?

It is believed that a few more years will pass, and in the press, including the Indian, they will still reflect on which version of the Indian fighter to stop at. At the same time, the Chinese neighbor of India will have at its disposal dozens (or even hundreds) of new generation fighters.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 3 July 2020 07: 23 New
    -14
    India is ready to abandon the purchase of the Su-57 in favor of the F-35

    Finally we danced ...
    Whoever dines with the girl dances her.
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 3 July 2020 07: 31 New
      +3
      That is not. I reread these Bulgarsmi from time to time, trying to be great Catholics than the Pope, i.e. are an auxiliary expense. mat in the hands of not even Europe, but the Yankees. And 200 lamas apiece is a godsend for the Indians, considering the price for their "Rafali". laughing
      By the way, I almost forgot, well, it’s good to compare the heavy hawk of gaining air superiority with this semi-finished product. The enemy found our 57th predator, and the semi-finished product at number 35 is just a snack before the fight.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 3 July 2020 08: 43 New
        +5
        That's when at least one regiment will be formed in the troops, then we'll talk about who the predator is and who the snack is.
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 3 July 2020 08: 46 New
          0
          Well, okay. There is even no doubt.
    2. Charik
      Charik 3 July 2020 09: 40 New
      -4
      who reads the Bulgarians, he believes them;
      1. Charik
        Charik 3 July 2020 20: 25 New
        -2
        Yes, you give me at least 1000 minuses, put-you acre Mig29 Th sniffed?
    3. Ax Matt
      Ax Matt 4 July 2020 03: 59 New
      0
      Sure! If this girl ... sha la va ...
    4. doubovitski
      doubovitski 4 July 2020 10: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      India is ready to abandon the purchase of the Su-57 in favor of the F-35

      Finally we danced ...
      Whoever dines with the girl dances her.

      And who is having your dinner?
  2. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 3 July 2020 07: 24 New
    +6
    another expert from the blah blah blah blah finger system to the sky. I’ll come up with everything myself and let them read.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 July 2020 07: 32 New
    10
    Brothers are the best weapons experts ... especially someone else's. It’s easy to write such opuses ... the main thing is that you don’t need to answer for them. Reputation? But what is it worth, in the present conditions, when all the info channels are FILLED with news sucked from your finger ... In this murky whirlpool, a serious analysis (which takes time and brain effort) will simply be lost ...
    1. pytar
      pytar 3 July 2020 09: 19 New
      +9
      The Bulgarian military-themed portal Bulgarian Military, citing Indian sources, writes .... In this case, the publication voiced somewhat strange information.

      Posted by Military Review, did not read carefully the original from Bulgarian Military .
      Brothers are the best weapons experts ... especially someone else's. It’s easy to write such opuses ... the main thing is that you don’t need to be responsible for them.

      Forum users also do not have the skills to check and double-check information! Bulgarian magazine quotes Chinese resource Sohu, he himself, which is often quoted on Military Review!


      In this murky whirlpool, a serious analysis (which takes time and brain effort) will simply be lost ...

      All claims to Sohu ...
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 3 July 2020 09: 29 New
        +4
        Quote: pytar
        All claims to Sohu.

        Just confirm my post. This one didn’t even spew out his own thoughts, he took advantage of someone else’s article.
        1. pytar
          pytar 3 July 2020 09: 55 New
          +4
          This one didn’t even spew out his own thoughts, he took advantage of someone else’s article.

          The Bulgarian magazine reprinted the opinion of the Chinese Sohu, while pointedly pointed out the source. On Military Review, an anonymous author reprinted reprints from the Bulgarian magazine, indicating the incorrect source. And you have a claim to the Bulgarian publication! This is normal..?!?! request
          Reprints from other sources are quite common in the media. Here in VO, Soho is also often quoted!
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 3 July 2020 20: 19 New
            +3
            Bulgarian magazine reprinted opinion of Chinese Sohu

            In short, figured out:
            The Bulgarian edition told how the Chinese in a dream see that the Indians are abandoning the Su-57. Normal topic. bully
            Plus set. wink
            1. pytar
              pytar 3 July 2020 20: 28 New
              -1
              And there is. hi And we must also take into account that there are a number of problems between China and India, and their media regularly throw out "suitable" information. bully
              Thank you for the plus! I am more surprised by the minus, because the case is elementary. request
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 3 July 2020 20: 30 New
                +1
                Those who did not want a new Constitution are very upset with us today. wink
                So don’t worry. The caravan is coming!
      2. doubovitski
        doubovitski 4 July 2020 10: 47 New
        0
        Quote: pytar
        The Bulgarian military-themed portal Bulgarian Military, citing Indian sources, writes .... In this case, the publication voiced somewhat strange information.

        Posted by Military Review, did not read carefully the original from Bulgarian Military .
        Brothers are the best weapons experts ... especially someone else's. It’s easy to write such opuses ... the main thing is that you don’t need to be responsible for them.

        Forum users also do not have the skills to check and double-check information! Bulgarian magazine quotes Chinese resource Sohu, he himself, which is often quoted on Military Review!


        In this murky whirlpool, a serious analysis (which takes time and brain effort) will simply be lost ...

        All claims to Sohu ...

        The teacher did not punish you for that. what do you, not knowing the answer, write off from a neighbor?
        1. pytar
          pytar 4 July 2020 11: 51 New
          -3
          The teacher did not punish you for that. what do you, not knowing the answer, write off from a neighbor?

          I taught at the university, and you, Victor, the teachers clearly did not teach you to distinguish the basic concepts! You write off it, when you give someone else out as your own! Plagiarism! And when correctly quoting from the source, it’s different. The Bulgarian magazine clearly indicated the original source - Chinese Soho. Statistical organizations often cite specifically this Chinese resource on VO, like many others.
    2. thinker
      thinker 3 July 2020 09: 29 New
      +5
      And why did everyone attack the Bulgarians, they just retold the article from Sohu
      BEIJING, (BM). According to various military sources in India as well according to the Chinese edition of Sohu.

      https://www.sohu.com/a/405202702_352347
      1. pytar
        pytar 3 July 2020 09: 59 New
        +2
        And why did everyone attack the Bulgarians, they just retold the article from Sohu

        They will throw themselves at the Bulgarians, this is a kind of "fashionable trend" on VO! Accordingly, the on-duty forum Bulgarophobes immediately knocked a bunch of blah blah blah! Moreover, in VO reprints from Soho are often found! If the topic was of interest to an anonymous author of VO, he could directly relate to the Chinese original!
        1. TAMBU
          TAMBU 3 July 2020 11: 43 New
          -3
          unfortunately this is part of the sad tendency of total chauvinism and cave nationalism ...
          1. pytar
            pytar 3 July 2020 12: 04 New
            -6
            unfortunately this is part of the sad tendency of total chauvinism and cave nationalism ...

            The statement is sad, but true, unfortunately ... sad
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 3 July 2020 20: 24 New
              +1
              Boyan! I don’t know who is hiding under the nickname tambu.
              But I propose not to give this nameless author the opportunity to separate us. wink
              Bulgaria and Russia are brothers forever! drinks
              1. pytar
                pytar 3 July 2020 20: 39 New
                -1
                I try not to discuss the personality of the interlocutors. But while reading / watching Russian media, I get the impression that they have chauvinism, nationalism, too much! Constantly some uplifting, sometimes against one, then against another people! Forums are full with such posts! This is not patriotism, this is something else ... No.
                I agree with you - Bulgarians and Russian brothers, we are two parts of one whole! good We have a common civilizational code, we are one cultural-historical space. It is beyond all borders! drinks
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 3 July 2020 20: 42 New
                  +1
                  Here, during Covid, different people from idleness appeared.
                  Not from Russia as well. God be their judge ...
                  And normal people are always there. hi
                2. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 4 July 2020 20: 31 New
                  -1
                  Quote: pytar
                  Bulgarians and Russian brothers, we are two parts of one whole!


                  Yes, and because Bulgaria fought against Russia all the 20th century ...
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 4 July 2020 22: 27 New
                    -3
                    But what is the 20th century here ?! belay It was during the time of the pharaohs around the pyramids that the "ancient Bulgarians" fought against the "ancient Rus". angry In! The heel prints are still prominent! You can’t tell who’s going, as everyone went barefoot, but there’s no doubt that it was so! yes It is easy to assume - this will be until the end of the world! bully
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        2. Tamparu
          Tamparu 3 July 2020 11: 51 New
          +2
          Don’t pay attention to it, brother. Remove emotions. It's not worth it.
          hi
          1. pytar
            pytar 3 July 2020 12: 07 New
            0
            Don’t pay attention to it, brother. Remove emotions. It's not worth it.

            I try, but not always succeed, brother! Especially when I see elementary, petty speculation. Who needs this ?! request
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 3 July 2020 20: 28 New
              +1
              A correctly posed question gives the correct answer: to whom was it profitable to quarrel Ukrainians and Russians?
              Here, by and large, the same ears.
              Who paints our monuments with you?
              Chicks of the Sorosovsky nest.
              And you and I know where they are sitting in your "friendship" hiding behind. hi
              1. pytar
                pytar 3 July 2020 22: 10 New
                -4
                Dear Alexander hi I avoid discussing topics about Ukraine, as it is very emotional for you. I understand this is the case with the "Macedonians". One to one.
                But on the topic of monuments, I'm a professional! The topic is not the same, so I will say it as briefly as possible! The right question can be answered correctly if we know the facts! And with them, there is a very serious problem! Knowing Russian, I regularly read and watch Ross. mass media. According to their version, we have no others in Bulgaria, so we only paint monuments! In fact, in 30 years, there were no more than 20 such cases! I counted 17 by name! In 5-7 cases, the perpetrators are uniquely established. It is about ignorance and basic stupidity. You see, there are narrow-minded people in all countries of the world. Keep in mind that we have over 530 monuments in honor of Russia (400) and KA (130)! All of them are Bulgarian, we built them, we take care of them! Krashat "Soviet" and this is due to whom. ideology. those who, in honor of Russia, have never been touched by anyone! In Bulgaria, during the time of democracy, another 12-14 new monuments have been erected in honor of Russian military and state leaders! Where, in what other country, is there such a thing?
                You know about a couple of abuses, rus-media are constantly writing about them, creating negativity among the Russians towards the Bulgarians! And how many times have you heard about the construction of new ones, and about the repairs of old ones, on which the Bulgarian state spends considerable money? Why are rus-media silent? With this, as they reflect the situation, there are kureoznye cases ... fool
                Knowing the real situation and looking at how it is presented, I have a clear conviction that in modern Russia there are very influential forces that want the Russians to perceive the Bulgarians as enemies! In my opinion, our common enemy is not somewhere outside! He is among us, and among you in your country! I am hereditary Russophile and look at it all with surprise! I apologize for the verbosity, I wanted to be shorter, but it turned out ... hi
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 3 July 2020 22: 43 New
                  +1
                  You know about a couple of abuses, rus-media constantly write about them, creating a false background of negativism among the Russians towards the Bulgarians!

                  Boyan! No need to make such noise on me. smile
                  I have set forth my position to you above.
                  I mentioned the monuments in the context of what the activities of the Soros Foundation in your country are aimed at. That problems with monuments are organized by the recipients of its funding.
                  That absolutely concrete people try to quarrel us.
                  I did not make any complaints against the Bulgarian people as a whole. drinks
                2. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 4 July 2020 20: 34 New
                  -1
                  Quote: pytar
                  there are very influential forces that want the Russians to perceive the Bulgarians as enemies!

                  You twist. It is not the Bulgarians who are perceived as enemies, but a united Europe, quite rightly recalling the past invasions of the "European Union".
                  As far as I remember, you are part of that very united Europe today.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 4 July 2020 22: 36 New
                    -4
                    Bravo! Keep it up! good You can’t relax soldier otherwise these are just waiting ... am
        3. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 3 July 2020 22: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: pytar
          Bulgarianophobes,

          belay Are there any? Bulgarian-phobia - fear of the Bulgarians ... Oooh, then we arrived ... wassat
      2. doubovitski
        doubovitski 4 July 2020 10: 50 New
        0
        Quote: thinker
        And why did everyone attack the Bulgarians, they just retold the article from Sohu
        BEIJING, (BM). According to various military sources in India as well according to the Chinese edition of Sohu.

        https://www.sohu.com/a/405202702_352347

        If you begin to propagate leaflets with anti-state content, then you will receive the deadline quite legally. In any country. You don’t understand why?
  4. KCA
    KCA 3 July 2020 07: 32 New
    +2
    The ixperdies from Bvlgari should be considered, a mighty country, they have MIG-29 pieces 5 left and there are as many patrol boats, only ordinary soldiers refused to shoot at the NATO exercises, which were made in the form of soldiers of the Russian Armed Forces
  5. NEXUS
    NEXUS 3 July 2020 07: 33 New
    +5
    The strangeness, at least, is that India has not yet expressed intentions to acquire a fifth-generation Russian Su-57 aircraft, which, by the way, is not yet in service with the Russian aerospace forces.

    But the Bulgarians then know exactly what India needs. wassat fellow
    1. Runoway
      Runoway 3 July 2020 11: 59 New
      +1
      And India, in fact, is already in a puddle:
      We needed airplanes yesterday, tensions at the border, and in fact there was one corruption mess, a little of everything made in Russia, USA, France, but nothing in general.
      In some ways, Soho is right, it makes sense to look towards F-35, since you don’t say that with 57th, that with 35th there is complete confusion, and the amount
      150-200machines
      , even if we imagine that the su-57 was brought to the ideal, do we have such power for deliveries? -of course not
      And there is something to be offended by the Hindus, I witnessed when in 2008 in Lukovitsy a commission from Algeria resigned the 29th party, which they heroically put into service in the media
  6. sleeve
    sleeve 3 July 2020 07: 33 New
    +1
    ... and everyone spun in a new dance ...
  7. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 3 July 2020 07: 36 New
    +4
    The Su57 price tag is unlikely to be cheaper than the F-35A. He’s already on the assembly line and a bunch of them have been released. The times of cheap weapons from the Soviet legacy have already passed. Everyone wants to eat
    1. Foxmara
      Foxmara 3 July 2020 08: 21 New
      +1
      That is unlikely. You can’t find a car more expensive than Efki. The conveyor of course reduces the cost, but still expensive even for wealthy allies. Given the degree of usefulness - in general it is unclear a loan to buy them. Surplus for war with bearded men, third countries as a rule do not have good air defense, and against the Russian Federation is useless. Our people see him. Given the speed and maneuverability - it will lose even 27 dryers most likely. Neither catch up, nor run away ...
      Another thing, there are rumors that 57 may immediately go to the next generation, then they may not be sold, especially since there will not be any of them in the troops - this will not be discussed, incl. the Indians are likely trying to hint that the price tag should be offered on the f-ku, otherwise they will buy 57 back, although no one offered them))
      1. Avior
        Avior 3 July 2020 09: 12 New
        0
        You can’t find a car more expensive than Efki.

        F-35 is far from the most expensive among modern fighters
        The same Rafal is noticeably more expensive.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 3 July 2020 20: 36 New
          0
          And you ask how much the F-35 cost Poland.
          The most faithful and most tender US ally in NATO. laughing
          100 million - this is Trump personally bent over the head of Lockheed Martin.
          With whom does the manufacturer receive the difference? From everyone else. hi
          1. Avior
            Avior 3 July 2020 22: 03 New
            0
            Rafali of India cost 200 million.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 3 July 2020 22: 56 New
              0
              Poland has signed an agreement with the United States to purchase 32 F-35A aircraft for $ 4,6 billion. In addition, according to the agreement, the Polish military will also receive a logistics and training package.

              The logistics package includes eight simulators, spare parts, an aircraft operation management information system, ground handling equipment, and the training package includes training for pilots and technical personnel, RIA Novosti reports.

              In September 2019, the U.S. agreed to sell 32 of the latest F-35 fighters to Warsaw. At the same time, Poland asked Washington for a discount on the purchase of aircraft. The deal was initially valued at $ 6,5 billion.

              Poles asked for a discount.
              The initial price was $ 203,125 million; the final price was $ 143,750 million.
              The Indian contract EMNIP includes weapons.
              Polish doesn't say anything about him. hi
              1. Avior
                Avior 4 July 2020 05: 51 New
                0
                This means that you need to look at the contracts themselves in detail, there are many options, and the price of the contract is far from the only, and sometimes not the main component.
                If you believe Wikipedia, then for the "long-running" Indian competition Rafali as the planes themselves were offered 120 million.
                https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale
                There, with links, the price of Rafal is 85-120 million for 2012, the contract price for India is 240.
                Eurofighter price 123 million for 2012
                https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon
                F-35 is far from the most expensive
                1. Foxmara
                  Foxmara 21 September 2020 17: 29 New
                  0
                  All the contests of the Indians are long. They need to throw their hat to the ground like in a bazaar 10 times, make sure that no one will give them the technology for free and agree when the equipment becomes morally obsolete.
                  The cost of the F-35 will greatly increase as it is used. There is a super duper coating that peels off quickly and often, but Raphal does not. Well, you never know what else is there, for example, a software update, but also one cover for the eyes. Plus service frequency. Like 20 hours of service for one hour of flight? Or is it at the 22nd F-ki? And the benefits are so-so. Show off before the Papuans. No speed, no maneuver. If you are spotted, then the option to survive becomes less. If you get involved in close combat, then it is almost guaranteed a corpse. There is no absolute invisibility. Radars are improving. Plus ground services ..
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 4 July 2020 13: 09 New
            0
            And how much will the Su57 cost?
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 3 July 2020 10: 11 New
        +2
        Unfortunately, F 35 has a lot + ...
        1. Low radar visibility.
        2. Powerful radar.
        3. The presence of missiles at all ranges.
        4. Good connection with other F35, Avax, air defense.
        5 The ability to independently search for targets on earth ..
        6. And one of the important factors is mass. Su27 / 30/35/57 may not be enough in pieces against the F35. And there is also F15,15,18.
        1. niki233
          niki233 3 July 2020 11: 52 New
          -2
          Yes, it is only on paper, but in life 80% does not work smile
        2. Alex777
          Alex777 3 July 2020 20: 37 New
          0
          And one of the important factors is mass.

          Let the allies go bankrupt and bankrupt. We already swam, we know. hi
          Won F-22 will not be able to fly soon - there are not enough engines.
          And there is no money for new engines. yes
    2. doubovitski
      doubovitski 4 July 2020 11: 43 New
      0
      Quote: Zaurbek
      The Su57 price tag is unlikely to be cheaper than the F-35A. He’s already on the assembly line and a bunch of them have been released. The times of cheap weapons from the Soviet legacy have already passed. Everyone wants to eat

      You write about things that are infinitely far from you.
      Cheap military equipment.
      I was a leading designer in a factory manufacturing a product for warriors. In the 1980s, its wholesale price was 2 thousand rubles. For comparison, a VAZ 5 model cost 6 rubles, wholesale, of course, do not confuse with retail, in stores. The cost of this product was 1000 thousand. The permitted cost price is 5 thousand, for the costs of the production of this amount we would have already started to scold. So, so that the plant does not go bankrupt, we were allowed to have a profit on civilian products higher than the allowed 10% per year. Do you understand what happened? It was that civilian products had a slightly higher price, and thus citizens paid for an expensive military product from their pockets. Tell me now - was it a cheap product, or expensive? And, isn’t this a way to hide the size of the military budget from prying eyes? We, after all, were not the only ones in the USSR at that time.
  8. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 3 July 2020 07: 47 New
    -4
    Well, then, India has few alternatives in the future. There is F-35 on the market, only F-35, no one else. Yes, perhaps someday the Su-57MKI (?) Will appear. But how long will it take? The question is, moreover, a good one.
    China immediately disappears, because India will not sell anything. And who else remains? And nobody.
    So, it turns out that the alternative is only the F-35. The only question is whether the Americans will approve the sale of the F-35 to India.
    So, if you turn on the brain, then without the Bulgarians everything is extremely clear. The only thing you can argue about is the price tags for cars, that's all ...
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 3 July 2020 08: 41 New
      -2
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      There is F-35 on the market, only F-35

      SU 57 is rather an analogue of F22. F35 is really no analogues yet. Also considering that the F35 is three kinds. There are simply no alternatives for aircraft carriers and UDC.
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 3 July 2020 08: 47 New
        -3
        It is not a matter of analogue or not, but of what is on the market. And in the market, a possible competitor of Lightning is the Su-57. The raptor will not export.
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 3 July 2020 08: 52 New
          +3
          T90 was not on the market either. SU30 similarly. What do we have at the moment: the basis of the armor of the Indians is the 90th, the basis of the flyers is 30ka.
          1. Jack O'Neill
            Jack O'Neill 3 July 2020 08: 58 New
            -2
            T90 was not on the market either. SU30 similarly. What do we have at the moment: the basis of the armor of the Indians is the 90th, the basis of the flyers is 30ka.

            Well, the Indians invested in the Su-30MKI, and did not buy the finished product. Indians came out of FGFA, which means they will not invest in Su-57. And then what is the point of taking them?
            Now the Indians are looking (and not only them), a light fighter, where they are in no hurry to take us.
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 3 July 2020 09: 07 New
              -2
              Quote: Jack O'Neill
              light fighter, where we are in no hurry to take.

              And we do not have a light fighter, there is nothing to take.
              1. Jack O'Neill
                Jack O'Neill 3 July 2020 09: 22 New
                +1
                And we do not have a light fighter, there is nothing to take.

                Well, why is there - the MiG-29M. That's just the competitors rode away, and we gave birth to a not light MiG-35.
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 3 July 2020 09: 27 New
                  0
                  Mig 29 where is it light? It is heavier than the FA - 18 Hornet, but I have not heard that it belongs to the lungs. And if you take the MIG 29 modifications, then they are closer to F15.
                  1. Jack O'Neill
                    Jack O'Neill 3 July 2020 09: 34 New
                    0
                    Well, then F / A-18C is also light.) This "E" shka is heavy.
                    1. Grazdanin
                      Grazdanin 3 July 2020 09: 48 New
                      -2
                      F-5E - 4,3 tons (that's what light means smile )
                      F 16 - 9 tons
                      F / A-18C - 10,4
                      Mig29 - 10,9
                      F15 - 12,7
                      Mig35 - 13,5 tons
                      By mass of empty moment 29 is closer to F15 than F16. Modifications are superior in weight to F15.
                      1. Jack O'Neill
                        Jack O'Neill 3 July 2020 16: 11 New
                        0
                        Nevertheless, that the MiG-29M, that the F / A-18 are light fighters.
                      2. Grazdanin
                        Grazdanin 3 July 2020 16: 29 New
                        0
                        If 11,6 tons is light, good) In general, all these classifications are very conditional)
                      3. Jack O'Neill
                        Jack O'Neill 3 July 2020 17: 03 New
                        0
                        If 11,6 tons is light, good) In general, all these classifications are very conditional)

                        In fact, yes.
            2. newcomer
              newcomer 3 July 2020 09: 29 New
              +1
              I beg you, regarding all that, by weight it is. MIG35_ is what Indians need.
              1. Jack O'Neill
                Jack O'Neill 3 July 2020 09: 36 New
                -1
                I beg you, regarding all that, by weight it is. MIG35_ is what Indians need.

                Apparently, they needed Taijas, a single-engine fighter.
                1. newcomer
                  newcomer 3 July 2020 09: 37 New
                  0
                  They already have it.
                  1. Jack O'Neill
                    Jack O'Neill 3 July 2020 09: 41 New
                    0
                    They already have it.

                    Yes, they are producing it now. It’s good for them to develop their own.
                    Mmm, we should offer Vietnam Taijas, they are just looking for one.
                  2. newcomer
                    newcomer 3 July 2020 13: 24 New
                    0
                    The option is not bad if the Indians do not dance with the price.
              2. Uncle Izya
                Uncle Izya 3 July 2020 10: 56 New
                0
                They need the fact that on a dry developed single-engine fighter
      2. newcomer
        newcomer 3 July 2020 09: 26 New
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        In the 57th they are Indians, they also gave their best and not sickly so. And they want the finished 57th, after the series to take. Easy say, they have "Tejaz", they are not looking for others. Already accepted. Yes, and to discuss the writing of the verse "tailors", given their speculation for the given, is ridiculous.
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 3 July 2020 09: 30 New
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          Invested in such a way that came out with criticism of the program? Strange, don’t you? I would even say stupid, very stupid! But I do not consider Indians to be fools.

          Yes, even I missed the moment of India’s refusal from foreign light fighters in favor of the domestic one. Well, it happens.
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 3 July 2020 09: 35 New
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            Yes, you really missed a lot. Especially when they drove the T90 in the tail and mane, with criticism naturally, they also wanted to get out of the project but, it was just a game for the price.
            According to their commander-in-chief of aviation, their main engine is Tejaz.
            1. Jack O'Neill
              Jack O'Neill 3 July 2020 09: 39 New
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              But didn’t come out?
              And it’s exactly by the way, and loudly. Those. now they just lost what they invested. A strange way to save. And how much did they then spend on Rafali? ...
              Saving and does not smell.
              1. newcomer
                newcomer 3 July 2020 13: 26 New
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                In principle, you came to my conclusion, what are we arguing about? And the epic with FFA must end with the Indians' self-confession.
                1. Jack O'Neill
                  Jack O'Neill 3 July 2020 16: 12 New
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                  Well, in general, yes, we argue for the same thing.
    2. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 3 July 2020 09: 23 New
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      Quote: newbie
      T90 was not on the market either. SU30 similarly.

      T90 is T-72BU, modification of T-72B. Su 30 is a modification of the Su-27UB. Modifying the finished machine to the needs of the customer is a common thing, it is customary to put indexes in the west, our model has changed, a purely marketing solution. Su 57 is a new aircraft, which at the moment, is not much different in capabilities from the Su 35.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 3 July 2020 09: 31 New
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        And what did you want to say?
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 3 July 2020 09: 51 New
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          Do you feel the difference between the modification of the finished product and the creation of a new one?
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 3 July 2020 13: 23 New
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            What does modification mean if these are completely new machines made from scratch and for a specific customer? Do you feel the difference between the T90 and 72m and the SU27 with the 30th?
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 3 July 2020 13: 40 New
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              I feel, where did you get that these are new cars? There is no difference between the T90 and T-72BU, it is the same tank, the Su 27UB is different from the Su 30:
              an in-flight refueling system was installed with an exhaust bar in the precabin compartment on the left;
              special communication and guidance equipment was installed, a widescreen television tactical indicator was mounted on the dashboard of the rear cockpit;
              air conditioning changed.

              Su-30MKI and T-90S "electronics" are replaced by a foreign one, mainly French-Israeli.
              1. newcomer
                newcomer 3 July 2020 18: 31 New
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                SU27UB and SU30 have different gliders. The same about T72BU and T90. Although, visually confuse mono. : laughing
                And there wouldn’t be these cars, whatever you call it, if not for the Indian order.
  9. Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 3 July 2020 08: 58 New
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    Rather, a replacement for countries to which the US F35 does not sell. I am sure that the United States of India will sell the F35, but not in the coming years. They are precisely loaded with orders for the next 5 years. To raise the priority for India, they need to buy a large package of weapons, then the United States will be able to move the turn.
    1. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 3 July 2020 09: 00 New
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      [quote] Rather, a replacement for countries to which the US F35 does not sell. I am sure that the United States of India will sell the F35, but not in the coming years. They are precisely loaded with orders for the next 5 years. To raise the priority for India, they need to buy a large package of weapons, then the United States will be able to move the turn. [/ Quote
      In the end, I think the Americans will approve the deal. But yes, in the near future the line is full.
      By the way, the fact of the queue for years does not make a sick advertisement.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 3 July 2020 09: 02 New
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        Quote: Jack O'Neill
        By the way, the fact of the queue for years does not make a sick advertisement.

        They would read local commentators immediately refuse orders.
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 3 July 2020 09: 23 New
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          They would read local commentators immediately refuse orders.

          Naturally! laughing !
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 4 July 2020 12: 01 New
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    Quote: Jack O'Neill
    Well, then, India has few alternatives in the future. There is F-35 on the market, only F-35, no one else. Yes, perhaps someday the Su-57MKI (?) Will appear. But how long will it take? The question is, moreover, a good one.
    China immediately disappears, because India will not sell anything. And who else remains? And nobody.
    So, it turns out that the alternative is only the F-35. The only question is whether the Americans will approve the sale of the F-35 to India.
    So, if you turn on the brain, then without the Bulgarians everything is extremely clear. The only thing you can argue about is the price tags for cars, that's all ...

    You are deeply mistaken. You are trying to reason from your point of view, but you need to from the point of view of the numerous lobby of India. Mirages, Influenza, airplanes of Spain, Vietnam and others. Look at the reels of the Indians, exactly copying the reels of the Buridan donkey? While they decide there, from which stack to devour, they will die completely. While they are transplanting their rulers for bribes from various firms, China will take them with his bare hands.
  • Foxmara
    Foxmara 21 September 2020 17: 35 New
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    If the Indians hadn't crooked their faces, they would have had the Su-57. And I would go to the masses faster. As always, they spoil everything for themselves. Now no one will sell Sou-shku to them, they have to. Americans need to reduce the cost of their irons, incl. I think they will approve, but ess-but Indians are not Indians, if they do not start bargaining for a long time, so for 5-10 years laughing
  • rocket757
    rocket757 3 July 2020 07: 55 New
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    About nothing .... There is no subject of discussion.
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  • FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 3 July 2020 08: 05 New
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    150-200 is expensive for an airplane, which so far is no different in principle from the Su-35.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 3 July 2020 08: 10 New
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      Quote: FRoman1984
      for a plane that so far no different fundamentally from the Su-35.

      Did the Bulgarians tell you this or the Indians? Or are you an employee of a design bureau / test pilot (underline correctly)? ..
      1. FRoman1984
        FRoman1984 3 July 2020 08: 14 New
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        Quote: Volodin
        Quote: FRoman1984
        for a plane that so far no different fundamentally from the Su-35.

        Did the Bulgarians tell you this or the Indians? Or are you an employee of a design bureau / test pilot (underline correctly)? ..

        This is my opinion, like everyone has their own on the forum.
      2. Ka-52
        Ka-52 3 July 2020 08: 44 New
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        Or are you an employee of a design bureau / test pilot (underline correctly)? ..

        the opinion of such people is of little interest to anyone here. As I put it on the topic of our design bureau, the sofa experts put poop. They are much better at everything.
  • Foxmara
    Foxmara 3 July 2020 08: 10 New
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    No, but what? You can sell drying under the same conditions. 200 apiece and 50 million per year maintenance, everything as the buyer likes laughing About their way to bargain, you can already compose jokes. Although .. no, no joke can compare with reality
  • zwlad
    zwlad 3 July 2020 08: 15 New
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    India is ready to abandon the purchase of the Su-57 in favor of the F-35

    But who will sell them ...
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 3 July 2020 08: 19 New
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    Previously respected Romanian biathlon fans. There is no biathlon, but the fans are eating.
    Bulgarian military-themed portal Bulgarian Military ...

    Now he also respected the Bulgarian military bloggers ...
    1. pytar
      pytar 3 July 2020 10: 24 New
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      Now he also respected the Bulgarian military bloggers ...

      To Staty Bulgarian Military, it is correctly indicated that it is reprinted from Chinese Sohu. But Ross. the blogger reprinted the reprint on VO, incorrectly indicated the original source. As a result, now I have even more "respect" for Ross. bloggers ... laughing
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 3 July 2020 08: 25 New
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    And what? Do these devices already offer Hindus? Or did the Bulgarians have a new grandmother Vanga, so they give news from the future?
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 3 July 2020 08: 31 New
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    And where is Bulgaria, and where is India ....
    Experts in the media become "better" year after year
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 3 July 2020 08: 38 New
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    Well, finally, the Bulgarians spoke out ....
  • Graz
    Graz 3 July 2020 08: 56 New
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    and who will sell them the f-35? laughing
    1. doubovitski
      doubovitski 3 July 2020 09: 57 New
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      Quote: Graz
      and who will sell them the f-35? laughing

      And what, we offered them our SU-57?
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  • Charik
    Charik 3 July 2020 09: 39 New
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    Bulgarian experts hahaha I laugh in your face
    1. pytar
      pytar 3 July 2020 10: 46 New
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      Bulgarian experts hahaha I laugh in your face

      Better laughs the one who laughs last! And the last one to check and double-check infa laughs! The exile of Sohu, it is indicated in the publication of the Bulgarians, HAHAHAH! laughing
  • svp67
    svp67 3 July 2020 09: 49 New
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    Bulgarian Military: India is ready to abandon the purchase of the Su-57 in favor of the F-35
    Yes, for a good "gesheft" India is ready to give up a lot altogether ...
    Unlike the F-35, Russia is ready to provide part of the technology of India, so that it would independently assemble and part of the equipment manufactured at its aircraft factory from our components. That will reduce both the cost of export Su-57, and its further maintenance and modernization
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  • Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 3 July 2020 09: 59 New
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    "At the same time, China's neighbor India will have dozens (if not hundreds) of new generation fighters at its disposal." not only India, but also Russia, will not have dozens and even more so hundreds of 5th generation aircraft. we must face the truth. We cannot build that many planes in principle
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 3 July 2020 10: 10 New
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      Just the generations of the Chinese are shorter, their 5 is just our 4+ generation. When you order on alik, keep in mind, otherwise everything is always small.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 3 July 2020 10: 07 New
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    In-1. In Bulgaria, of course, everyone knows.
    In-2. The KLA has only one opinion on this matter, even if they are finally resolving to something there in India. Plan when the partner wants or doesn’t want, then asks for cheaper, unrealistic.
    1. pytar
      pytar 3 July 2020 10: 37 New
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      In Bulgaria, of course, everyone knows.

      Of course, not everyone knows, so they quoted the stats from the Chinese Sohu, correctly indicating the source. The opinion is not Bulgarian, but Chinese. At VO did not bother to read carefully the material. hi
      1. Charik
        Charik 3 July 2020 11: 28 New
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        But why retell what the Chinese think about the Indians who want an airplane — the capabilities of which should surpass everyone — is there such an airplane? Each airplane has its own superiorities in one or another characteristic — and how can the Chinese know that it’s better than F35 or Su57, they’re neither neither this one was sniffing, so as they say from empty to empty, and did your specialist something except Mig 29-sniff?
        1. pytar
          pytar 3 July 2020 12: 03 New
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          And why retell what the Chinese think about the Indians who want an airplane — the capabilities of which should exceed everyone — is there such an airplane?

          And why at VO (not exactly at that) retold the Bulgarian Military, retelling Sohu? And why, in the media, every day they say a million times something ???
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 July 2020 10: 31 New
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    Obviously, the article is custom-made. Who benefits is also understandable - for those who today indulge India from all sides (the United States) wanting to push through their weapons. It is strange that it is voiced by the Bulgarians. As they say, time will tell.
    1. pytar
      pytar 3 July 2020 12: 15 New
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      It is strange that it is voiced by the Bulgarians.

      VO incorrectly quotes the original source. Info comes from Chinese Soho ...
  • U-58
    U-58 3 July 2020 10: 34 New
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    East is a delicate matter...
    India is ready for anything, just not for the purchase of anything))))
  • g1v2
    g1v2 3 July 2020 11: 38 New
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    Well yes. It’s like with a contract for light fighters. The Hindus pulled everything, chose, and when the aggravation arose, it turned out that the aircraft were needed so yesterday. And as a result, dozens of orders29 and su30 are hastily ordered. Well, let them still walk around the market. You look the next time you have to urgently buy a Su35.
  • Andrei Samsonov
    Andrei Samsonov 3 July 2020 12: 17 New
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    Valiant India in its repertoire, I want it, I don’t want it, and all the way, in the end, it will take what I didn’t want at all, and it will be the Russians who will blame again, and it will pay twice as much money, one word from the Indians, those are wars. ..
  • Oleg kubanoid
    Oleg kubanoid 3 July 2020 14: 37 New
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    think about it with your own head, this news appeared almost immediately as India signed the contract for the moment 29 .. and appeared on the Bulgarian resource .. after all, the Bulgarians and Hindus Brothers)) as for me they let another duck ..
  • Kapkan
    Kapkan 3 July 2020 16: 31 New
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    In general, I am categorically against the sale of the Su-57, Almaty, S-400/500 and other things to the side.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 3 July 2020 17: 15 New
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    They have every official there for the whole country and the president chtol responsible and post such pearls, today tomorrow so differently but from another official. And if you ask the head of the transport department then they are for the purchase of a death star then chtoli?
  • iouris
    iouris 3 July 2020 21: 13 New
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    If this "organ" wrote about Turkey, I would understand, but where is India, and where is Bulgaria ...
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 4 July 2020 05: 44 New
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    These gypsies have not yet learned the dance for the F-35, so it is unlikely that a deal will take place. wassat
  • venaly
    venaly 4 July 2020 17: 37 New
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    And is this a BRICS country?
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 4 July 2020 22: 44 New
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    Quote: Runoway
    Do we have such capacity for deliveries? -of course not


    Calculate how much Russia delivered the Su-30s since 1999. Offhand about 550, and another 120 Su-35x and 32 Su-27cm3 / Su-30M2