Military Review

Is the successor of the USSR ready to collect everything that is due to her: reflections on the amendment

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One of the most important amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation is the question of the succession of Russia in relation to the Soviet Union. This moment, in addition to symbolic meaning, has a practical and, one might even say, material expression. Today the situation looks paradoxical: having paid huge debts of the USSR, Russia did not take possession of many of what is rightfully its own.


Among other things, this topic was raised at the beginning of this year during a meeting with the working group on the preparation of amendments to the Basic Law, Vladimir Putin. According to him, our country has received far from all of what is legally due to it. Which ones? This question is worth dwelling in more detail.

After Russia was recognized at the international level by the state as the successor of the recently departed USSR, it got, in an accounting language, both assets and liabilities of a country that no longer exists. In the second case, it was a colossal public debt that the Soviet Union had at the time of its collapse.

In fact, the recognition of Moscow’s rights to the Soviet legacy was due to the extreme concern that Western countries expressed regarding the return of their own money. There was something to worry about: the USSR state debt estimated at 1984 billion dollars in 5 exceeded one hundred billion in the same currency by 1991, thanks to Gorbachev and his minions! Mikhail Sergeevich’s partners successfully achieved their main goal, the collapse of the superpower that prevented them from living, but they didn’t intend to forgive the old bonded loans and the foolishly recognized old Secretary General of the last commitments. Generously subsidized by Perestroika, the Paris Club wanted to get theirs back.

In this sense, the largest and richest Western states that were part of it were, of course, more profitable and more promising to deal with one debtor (who had something to take) than with many small ones scattered across the national “apartments”, which, as it turned out at meticulous calculation, accounted for about 40% of the credit load of the USSR, if we divide it “honestly”. Such figures arose during a special meeting held in Moscow before the collapse of the USSR, with the participation of both creditors from the Paris Club and representatives of the Soviet republics. True, not all: the Baltic states and Uzbekistan already then took the position of "there is no money, I know nothing."

The question was resolved to the great delight of Western gentlemen: Russia agreed to take on all Soviet debt in exchange for the complete refusal of the former fraternal republics to claim the USSR’s assets — loans granted to them and property registered on it abroad. Generally speaking, such a "broad gesture" from an economic point of view does not seem too correct. When calculating the "shares" of the republics in the assets and liabilities of the Soviet Union, it was not necessary to operate on the basis of the population, territories, etc.

Perhaps, it would be worthwhile to make an obligatory inventory of all their national economic complexes and establish how many industrial enterprises, roads, power plants, other infrastructure and the same residential buildings were erected there by the methods of "all-Union construction" and from the federal budget. And then soberly assess the contribution of the beneficent republics to this very budget ... There is a strong suspicion that after this some people would not have to stutter that they owed something to them during the partition.

However, nothing of the kind was done, of course, was not. They divided it either "in a brotherly way" or "in fairness", but Russia had to pay. What is she quite well and did right up to 2017. With the assets that seemed to be in her possession, the matter turned out to be much sadder. As it turned out in the end, a pile of loans (for as much as $ 150 billion in total), the Soviet leaders managed to distribute to the states from which to get something was a matter, to put it mildly, problematic. And the epic “manifestations of goodwill” began in the form of writing off debts to Cuba, Vietnam, Iraq, Ethiopia and other African states.

Even more ugly история happened to the property of the USSR abroad. Here, it would seem, everything is simpler than simple: the buildings of embassies, trade missions and other real estate did not go away by the time when Moscow, after distributing all the debts, received full right to take possession of them. However, there it was! Some of our former neighbors in the USSR were suddenly struck by severe "amnesia" with obvious selfish implication. This is primarily about the "brothers" in the person of Kiev and Tbilisi. With Georgians, however, the issue was resolved in 2002.

But he doesn’t dare to deal with the “unfathomable” way! The parliament there, in the best of times for Ukrainian-Russian relations, in 1997 and 2009, flatly refused to ratify the “zero option” agreement regarding the liabilities and assets of the USSR. Even Viktor Yanukovych, the same one who subsequently had to flee to Russia, in 2010 proudly declared that he categorically did not recognize the “Moscow claim” on this issue.

Moscow made its first attempts to “enter into inheritance rights” in 2006 after it repaid loans at least before the “Big Seven”. However, until the issue with Kiev is settled, in many countries they don’t want to hear about any of our complaints. About five years ago, it was possible to agree with Bulgaria, Hungary, a couple of Scandinavian countries and tiny Iceland. In the vast majority of other states, as far as we know, things are still there.

It would be at least naive to hope that the current leadership of the “non-fallow” leadership, successively refining itself in what other suits for millions and billions of dollars Moscow could bring to Moscow in all kinds of international courts, would be at least naive. So either the amendment to the Constitution of Russia regarding succession will remain a loud, but empty declaration, or Moscow will still have to find extremely convincing arguments for admonishing those who, at its expense, try to live by the principle: I forgive everyone I owe.
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  1. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 3 July 2020 15: 01 New
    39
    They cannot recover 3 billion Eurobonds from Ukraine for years.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 3 July 2020 15: 19 New
      37
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      They cannot recover 3 billion Eurobonds from Ukraine for years.

      In the USA, real estate has not been returned .. what are we talking about, until there is economic independence, until the country is in full self-sufficiency we can not even dream about it.
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 3 July 2020 18: 33 New
        -12
        And again, you are shifting arrows to economic independence - is there even a half word about this in the topic? The conversation was that Russia was thrown, but you are stubbornly turning the channel of the discussion that Russia is not economically independent. Do you want to pump on Russia? So poach more frankly.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 3 July 2020 20: 23 New
          20
          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
          The conversation was that they threw Russia,

          Nobody threw Russia. She threw herself. Our bureaucrats can only tear people from the people. And is it possible with PARTNERS?
          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 3 July 2020 20: 35 New
            +3
            By the way, I am also from Krasnoyarsk. It is very nice to see a fellow countryman. All bureaucrats from everywhere can only tear - this is immutable true. But the fact that Russia threw itself let me disagree - who do you think Russia is? Humpbacked, Yeltsin? Or maybe Kozyrev? I can list for a long time - well, where are all these ... (I don’t even want to call them people). From partners ... everything is much more complicated here, can I from what I know? Well, we stop selling titanium to the United States (I myself in moments of hatred of the United States for this). Who except Boeing will buy it? Maybe Airbus? Sorry, but they will act as the United States tells them. And so we live - we hate, but trade.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 3 July 2020 20: 50 New
              10
              Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
              here is the fact that Russia threw itself let me disagree - who do you think Russia is? Humpbacked, Yeltsin? Or maybe Kozyrev? I can long

              In my understanding, Russia, in the international arena, is its leader. First of all, the President, then the Prime Minister, then the Minister of Foreign Affairs.
              It depends on them whether Russia will take its own or will it be "thrown"
              It was thanks to unprincipledness and, somewhere, cowardice, somewhere to be stupid, that our leaders of the state brought Russia to a state where, in your words, they threw Russia.
              1. Sergey Averchenkov
                Sergey Averchenkov 3 July 2020 20: 59 New
                -16
                And then what do you dislike about Putin? Excuse me, is this person very influential in the world, with an economy torn to shreds, he dares to say something? But he dares ... You look at the international press ... they do not miss Putin in one article, they hate him wholeheartedly - they are waiting for him to leave. But he will leave and will not like some live abroad. And if he doesn’t leave, I will take the first weapon and go against it. What you say afterwards is not about Putin, it is about Humpback, Yeltsin and others like them.
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 3 July 2020 20: 57 New
              +3
              Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
              Who except Boeing will buy it?

              with a proper state approach, you can find the use of such a metal yourself, only specialists abroad can be found smile
          2. Veter_73_2017
            Veter_73_2017 29 August 2020 06: 54 New
            0
            So the partners have the movable and immovable property of these bureaucrats and money - "earned by back-breaking labor." And all of this can be taken away at any moment. So they behave loyally, towards partners, but are simply traitors.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 3 July 2020 20: 48 New
          +9
          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
          And again, you are shifting arrows to economic independence

          the economy in the world of capitalism is primary smile
          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 3 July 2020 20: 50 New
            +4
            But the future is still communism. :)
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 3 July 2020 20: 52 New
              +7
              Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
              But the future is still communism. :)

              but first there will be a stage of electronic slavery smile and the nightmare virus community in isolation
              1. Sergey Averchenkov
                Sergey Averchenkov 3 July 2020 21: 01 New
                +4
                As far as I can judge by myself, the stage of electronic slavery has already begun. :)
              2. Akuzenka
                Akuzenka 9 July 2020 17: 44 New
                +1
                You forgot to add: wars, famines, genocide. The mutual destruction of capitalist countries. And then primitive communism will come.
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 3 July 2020 20: 54 New
              +8
              Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
              But the future is still communism. :)

              but seriously, today there are no prerequisites for the emergence of communism, public consciousness has not matured, moreover, it has atrophied
              1. Sergey Averchenkov
                Sergey Averchenkov 3 July 2020 21: 04 New
                +1
                Yes, I probably agree with you, but ... Does anyone have a suggestion where to go next? Most of all, this thing is hindered by the people themselves - they are not ripe for the idea of ​​"from each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 3 July 2020 22: 57 New
                  0
                  Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                  ideas "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

                  this idea is wrong ... more precisely, it is perfectly executed in prison smile only abilities and needs, especially needs there are purely physiological
                  And since people are not ripe, they will be judged for their shortcomings. laughing In Greek, “crisis” means judgment. And they will have 4 horsemen of the apocalypse: filth, hunger, war and disease .... The disease has already come ... what is the next ???
                2. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 4 July 2020 23: 57 New
                  0
                  Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                  not ripe for the idea of ​​"from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

                  time has shown the failure of this slogan, Alas crying the fact is that needs are part of capitalist ideology. They are endless! as a result, in your equation, human abilities are limited and there is no need!
                  How do you like the idea of ​​cultivating self-esteem for ambition for the public good (where everyone has the opportunity to self-develop) and the ideology of Patriotism with firing legal force?
                  1. Sergey Averchenkov
                    Sergey Averchenkov 5 July 2020 02: 05 New
                    +2
                    Time has not yet shown. Let's wait and see. Although I probably will not see it anymore - the old one already. Capitalist ideology is not a panacea, believe me.
                    1. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 5 July 2020 07: 26 New
                      0
                      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                      Capitalist ideology is not a panacea, believe me.

                      you did not understand me at all. I am absolutely not an adept of capitalism. just the opposite. I am a Soviet person. also not young. I remember the period when the prerequisites for the collapse of socialism arose. When, the seller, had the opportunity to sell scarce goods from under the counter, when the party distributed the deficit among his own. This was the emergence of the bourgeois stratum in socialist society.
                      The Party itself was a supranational entity, the main objectives of which, under Khrushchev, were proclaimed as the satisfaction of the needs of Soviet people. Under Stalin, it was precisely the development of the personality of every Soviet person that was proclaimed! Feel the difference? When we talk about the USSR, we always need to indicate the period, because in different years it is a different country.
                      Nowadays, a progressive tax could be an element of a return to socialism. Especially on extra income. Since socialism is the prevalence of public interests over personal ones. Over income in this case goes to society.
                      1. Sergey Averchenkov
                        Sergey Averchenkov 5 July 2020 07: 47 New
                        0
                        Yes, I didn’t understand you, but after such a detailed answer ... How can I not understand you? Well, what do you think? Personality or satisfaction? I am inclined to needs. A progressive tax is not socialism, don’t even tell me about it. In addition to sharing income, there are many more factors. How do you like the planned economy?
                      2. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 5 July 2020 08: 59 New
                        0
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        A progressive tax is not socialism; don’t even tell me about it.

                        in no country in the world has Pure Socialism or Capitalism ever existed! Who would think of calling the socialist regime in Libya under Gaddafi? But there was free housing for everyone! The same socialist USSR-cooperatives under Stalin and self-sufficiency and cost accounting under Brezhnev? it's nothing but components capitalism! And Sweden, in which up to 70% of the progressive tax and the minimum gap between rich and poor? I believe that this is still an ELEMENT of socialism, where public interests are placed above the PRIVATE property right to income. What is the difference in principle between a state-owned enterprise or a private one, if it gives 70% of the profit to the state? The dogma that socialism is state ownership of the means of production sharply limits the possibility of developing these very means sometimes.
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        Personality or satisfaction? I am inclined to needs.

                        In the black quarters of America, people of several generations are already living on welfare - unemployment benefits. All progress in meeting their needs ends on cocaine smile I repeat - satisfaction of needs is a very vague term, it once implied the needs of a Soviet person living according to the moral code of the builder of communism. Therefore, all the same, PERSONALITY is the main thing. It is the cultivation of self-conceit for the sake of society that would be the main thing in building socialism
                      3. Sergey Averchenkov
                        Sergey Averchenkov 5 July 2020 11: 33 New
                        0
                        I read your message very diligently ... But I'm sorry, I do not agree with you - I lived in the camp of victorious socialism. And he didn’t live badly. You messed up a lot here - and here Gaddafi? Both Stalin and Brezhnev ... Although Brezhnev, moreover, despite his muzzle of the media, everything was howling normally, I would even say perfectly. Bread cost 16 kopecks. And what does the black quarters have to do with it? From me to black ... Yes, this is stupidity.
                      4. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 5 July 2020 11: 59 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        I lived in the camp of victorious socialism.

                        laughing this is a slogan, we lived in a country of losing socialism - Hollywood opened our eyes to us and Montana jeans and Japanese tape recorders became the ultimate dream of Soviet people.
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        where does Gaddafi?

                        not very diligently read ... I'm talking about the elements of socialism laughing
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        Although Brezhnev

                        the management system did not develop, elements of capitalism began to appear. Not diligently studied again laughing
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        what does the black quarters have to do with it

                        I'm talking about degeneration. when a dream is replaced by a satisfaction of needs smile
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        ok howled

                        is dogma okay? There was no normal theoretical basis for socialism - only slogans ... Have you studied Marx?
        3. Shteffan
          Shteffan 5 July 2020 20: 13 New
          +1
          Communism is utopia. Well, they have stepped on this rake. You cannot level everyone. You can give everyone equal opportunities. But then society will immediately become stratified.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 5 July 2020 20: 16 New
            0
            Quote: Steffan
            Communism is utopia. Well, they have stepped on this rake.

            But socialism?
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            2. Shteffan
              Shteffan 5 July 2020 20: 57 New
              0
              They say Swedish socialism works.
              1. ver_
                ver_ 8 July 2020 12: 23 New
                0
                ... they say - in America chickens are milked ..
      2. ver_
        ver_ 8 July 2020 12: 21 New
        0
        ... communism - a mirage - as you move towards it - it is moving away ...
        1. Shteffan
          Shteffan 8 July 2020 12: 40 New
          -1
          In Hong Kong, they built communism. I watched a man who lived there on the Goblin Channel for 20 years.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 3 July 2020 15: 21 New
    21
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    They cannot recover 3 billion Eurobonds from Ukraine for years.

    In order to recover something there and return, one must at least be Stalin, with iron testicles, which the current helmsmen have never had.
    How many years have the GDP and the team called our sworn enemies partners?
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 3 July 2020 15: 26 New
      21
      Nobody will even move to collect something there. Bees against honey? I beg you ..
    2. depressant
      depressant 3 July 2020 15: 27 New
      17
      The last debts of the USSR were paid in 2017 to the defunct Yugoslavia. Payment went to Bosnia and Herzegovina.
    3. credo
      credo 3 July 2020 15: 47 New
      -8
      Quote: NEXUS
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      They cannot recover 3 billion Eurobonds from Ukraine for years.

      In order to recover something there and return, one must at least be Stalin, with iron testicles, which the current helmsmen have never had.
      How many years have the GDP and the team called our sworn enemies partners?

      Even the wide gestures of the Bolsheviks, led by Lenin and Stalin, and the delirious gestures of Khrushchev, and the naive and weak-willed gestures of Gorbachev, and the drunken antics of Yeltsin, and Medvedev’s incompletely revealed actions, still hiccup burp, in interstate relations. So for every leader in the USSR and present-day Russia, claims can be made, with the possible exception of Brezhnev, although for the liberals his era is called "stagnation." Apparently they did not have time to snatch anything valuable with him, in the form of territories.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 3 July 2020 20: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: credo
        the broad gestures of the Bolsheviks, led by Lenin and Stalin,

        you my friend about the Brest peace is obvious? Well then, Trotsky had much more influence
        1. credo
          credo 4 July 2020 14: 55 New
          +3
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Quote: credo
          the broad gestures of the Bolsheviks, led by Lenin and Stalin,

          you my friend about the Brest peace is obvious? Well then, Trotsky had much more influence

          No, not about the Brest Peace, but about the creation of national republics that often had nothing to do with the territories transferred to them, including territories that were historically settled and developed mainly by Slavs, and not by small nations.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 5 July 2020 00: 05 New
            0
            Quote: credo
            No, not about the Brest Peace, but about the creation of national republics, which often had nothing to do with the territories transferred to them,

            Stalin was in power from 1930 to 1953. I gained strength only in 1936. As a result, he had 17 years of real rule from which you can subtract 10 years of war and devastation! 1000 daily questions! and lack of internet laughing I once led a team of 30 people, apparently normal laughing . But when you, the boss, suddenly begin to see instead of people a quiet swamp teeming with reptiles, where mud is poured over their eyes ... angry
            And to lead the country is not 30 people to keep in check!
            1. ver_
              ver_ 8 July 2020 12: 29 New
              0
              ..and didn’t have to lead the women's team? ...
              1. CT-55_11-9009
                CT-55_11-9009 12 July 2020 16: 21 New
                0
                Quote: ver_
                ..and didn’t have to lead the women's team? ...

                A colleague led a similar team. In one of our conversations, he once said: "Semen, seriously, it’s easier to manage a company of recruits than three women ..."
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 4 July 2020 20: 10 New
          +2
          In concluding the Brest Peace, the position of Lenin was of key importance.
  • Igoresha
    Igoresha 3 July 2020 20: 31 New
    +1
    They cannot recover 3 billion Eurobonds from Ukraine for years.
    and Serebryakova could not fence
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 3 July 2020 15: 08 New
    10
    Maybe new nouveau riche and would like to find - "so this will give them that ?!" (c) a joke am
    Everyone has a house, an account, citizenship where they can be found - they won’t go for it ...
    Would like - would have looked for a long time !!!
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 3 July 2020 15: 29 New
      -11
      Quote: Crown without virus
      Everyone has a house, an account, citizenship where they can be found - they won’t go for it ...
      Would like - would have looked for a long time !!!

      List in the studio with evidence.
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 3 July 2020 15: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: CSKA
        Quote: Crown without virus
        Everyone has a house, an account, citizenship where they can be found - they won’t go for it ...
        Would like - would have looked for a long time !!!

        List in the studio with evidence.

        If you forget - I do not answer your posts hi
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 3 July 2020 15: 39 New
          +6
          Quote: Crown without virus
          If you forget - I do not answer your posts

          There is such a joke when a hare pretended to be a beaver and refused to talk to a wolf wassat laughing laughing
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 3 July 2020 15: 41 New
            +5
            Quote: Malyuta
            Quote: Crown without virus
            If you forget - I do not answer your posts

            There is such a joke when a hare pretended to be a beaver and refused to talk to a wolf wassat laughing laughing

            no no no!!! everything is easier here laughing I’m writing here in VO “at the call of the soul and the dictates of the heart” - and he is a professional troll (this is my “value judgment” and does not contain any insult to the individual I mentioned - any court will win if I am banned) drinks
        2. CSKA
          CSKA 3 July 2020 15: 41 New
          -7
          Quote: Crown without virus
          If you forget - I do not answer your posts

          )))))) Because there is nothing to answer.
        3. depressant
          depressant 3 July 2020 15: 41 New
          +8
          Colleague Corona without a virus, these people do not even bother to delve into the essence of the article.
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 3 July 2020 15: 50 New
            +4
            Quote: depressant
            Colleague Corona without a virus, these people do not even bother to delve into the essence of the article.

            they delve into it - but there’s nothing to answer to the fact that they even had to amend the Constitution, because, as I said in my post, they have summer cottages, yachts, bills and real estate with citizenship abroad - those in power bully I will probably write that amendments to the Constitution were adopted only and exclusively, so that Putin would become the eternal President wink laughing lol
            1. depressant
              depressant 3 July 2020 16: 25 New
              +1
              A bit wrong, colleague)) Above, I drew the attention of those present to the debts of the former Soviet republics on all-Union construction projects. How many power plants were built by the former "brothers" in this way? Lot! So, dear former Soviet republic, have we paid the world creditors for your share in the external debt of the Union? Paid! Now, to us, Russia, as the successor of the Union, be so kind as to return the debt for the power station built by the shock-all-Union Komsomol construction method. How to do it technically? Let that power plant be legally registered as a joint stock company and a significant part of the shares, or even all will be transferred to the Russian government. On these shares, revenue will go to the Russian budget.
              1. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 3 July 2020 16: 34 New
                +4
                Here it is necessary to separate two questions: the question of the debts of the USSR that Russia paid, and the actions of the same Ukraine, for example.
                1. Ukraine wants to "cut" the property of the USSR abroad? Sure, not a problem good If you want 10 percent of USSR assets abroad - pay Russia 10 percent of the paid 150 green lard and "forward, into battle and with a song" bully
                2. But the rest of the property of Russia already abroad, which it can’t get - the question is purely political will - and nothing more
                1. depressant
                  depressant 3 July 2020 17: 09 New
                  +3
                  Agree. If we talk about the Union’s assets in Western countries, Russia is recognized as the legal successor only in Sweden, Finland, Iceland, and among former friends - in Bulgaria and Hungary. And they did not recognize our right to assets of the Union - 30 countries.
              2. parusnik
                parusnik 3 July 2020 17: 25 New
                +3
                Let that power plant be legally registered as a joint stock company and a significant part of the shares, or even all will be transferred to the Russian government. On these shares, revenue will go to the Russian budget.
                ..This was true when they scattered, now not .. A simple example .. Russian Aluminum, how is it?
                1. depressant
                  depressant 3 July 2020 17: 44 New
                  +3
                  The Rusal was withdrawn from US sanctions at the cost of losing Deripaska control over En +. About 35% left him. This is what it means to do business with Western "partners." Do not put a finger in your mouth. And when they already learn, the oligarchs are bad! Thirty years have passed, and all as boobies of the king of heaven.
                  1. l7yzo
                    l7yzo 6 July 2020 05: 49 New
                    +1
                    You see what’s the matter - in the world I’ve cut 90 - like a scam. And in no other way than wringing and grasping is not regarded. And our firms are given the opportunity to conduct business - while it is there, behind the cordon it is profitable. As soon as they have a different interest, they immediately recall that someone pressed not his own in due time. It’s being sung to us that everything is legal, but this song doesn’t channel it there. So it turns out - a step to the right, a step to the left and arrests are provided.
                    But they all thought that over time they would scan, join the right circles and forgive them everything, but no - that wasn’t it. That's what circles are - that the figs go there.

                    And now they all ran back - but already battered. And there is nowhere to run too much - our economy is simply not able to accept their money (due to its smallness). Moreover, they need profit - this is finally a problem. And so it all hung. We are waiting for the fall.
              3. Free wind
                Free wind 3 July 2020 17: 53 New
                +4
                Madam!!! love And if the republic replies that we didn’t ask anyone to build a power station. We didn’t have a bad life without her.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 3 July 2020 18: 02 New
                  +3
                  Blow below the belt, colleague! In general, she laughed)) probably, in diplomacy there is such a mimic gesture - the jaw dropped in surprise))
                  1. Free wind
                    Free wind 3 July 2020 18: 08 New
                    +2
                    I was glad to deliver you a good mood! fellow
                  2. www3
                    www3 7 July 2020 15: 35 New
                    +1
                    Quote: depressant
                    Blow below the belt, colleague! In general, she laughed)) probably, in diplomacy there is such a mimic gesture - the jaw dropped in surprise))


                    strange you are the current patriots love to count only in their direction))
                    that is, the power plant built by the entire former union is Russian property, and in what percentage? in the same way, the former republic of the union can roll out the cost of renting land under this power station, which the current post-triot can even sway their heads))
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 7 July 2020 16: 50 New
                      +2
                      Colleague, welcome! )))
                      Yes, you are directly a lawyer!)) I believe your question is worthy of consideration. Interestingly, are we rolling out requirements to pay rent for the exploitation of land, say, under an aluminum plant to someone from foreign shareholders?
                      1. www3
                        www3 7 July 2020 23: 01 New
                        0
                        Citizen, at least you would be preoccupied with some kind of clever justification of the Wishlist.
                        otherwise everything as usual is where I eat my head. But what are you talking about property on the territory of another state? You can also pay to your shareholders for the fact that they are shareholders of your enterprises.
  • prior
    prior 3 July 2020 15: 09 New
    +5
    Yes, you must not forgive, but punish.
    So much so that no one was to engage in cheating.
    Sudoplatova in operation!
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 3 July 2020 15: 29 New
      17
      Do not see the new Sudoplatovs and those who would give the order. Kvachkov was quickly “landed” .. No one is visible.
  • kind
    kind 3 July 2020 15: 19 New
    -4
    About five years ago, it was possible to agree with Bulgaria, Hungary, a couple of Scandinavian countries and tiny Iceland. In the vast majority of other states, as far as we know, things are still there.

    Nothing, the time will come, they will all return, they will also apologize.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 3 July 2020 15: 26 New
    11
    So either the amendment to the Constitution of Russia regarding succession will remain a loud, but empty declaration, or Moscow will have to ...

    ... to admit that all these amendments are absurd whims of the authorities only to perpetuate their own rule ...
    Crocodile tears for a hundred billion dollars ... Yes, the Russian Federation was brazenly cleared out for $ 1 by various Yeltsin henchmen and nouveau riche. During the coronavirus pandemic alone, Russian oligarchs “succeeded” in their “honest business” by $ 200.
    Only the elimination of the consequences of the ecological catastrophe in Norilsk is estimated at hundreds of billions of rubles, and the oligarch Potanin has already reported to Putin about the completion of work and has hit the boat ...
    To whom do you, the author, want to tell you that someone in Russia is ready to claim on the accounts of the USSR? In the country, even compensation of deposits was made with cynical impudence ...
    There is no one in the world who will heed the Russian "moaning" through the hair with a severed head. There is no one in Russia who can force the West to respect the laws and sovereignty of the Russian Federation.
    A miserable pack of temporary workers whose thoughts extend their comfortable existence even through the agony and extinction of the once strong, independent state.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 3 July 2020 17: 17 New
      +6
      Speaking of the West. If you recall the events of the 90s ... Under his applause, there were two referenda that did not have any legal basis for supporting Yeltsin, and for supporting the reforms he carried out, the parliament was shot to death with a joyful whistle, and also joyfully approved the adoption of the new Constitution ... Further, we forgot the beginning of the 2000s, we were friends and kissed with the West, began to cooperate with NATO, and then a black cat ran, but here, as the late Zadornov said, probably all because of attendants, apparently asked to share the market or something else, the new Russia was told “shadow, know your place”, because no one wanted to share and it started ... Why am I all, this amendment is a bone for the electorate and nothing more ... Nothing in this regard Russia will not be able to do, any of its actions in this regard will be regarded as an attempt to flee a step to the right, a step to the left, shooting without warning, a jump on the spot is a provocation ... The electorate loves to cheat .. like supporting Yeltsin and him in the 90s referee reform ndumah ...
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 July 2020 15: 53 New
    -6
    It’s time for Lavrov to wake up with the Ministry of Justice, for which officials receive money.
  • Avior
    Avior 3 July 2020 16: 05 New
    +7
    The article misrepresented the events of that time.
    There really were two options.
    Or Russia receives both assets and liabilities of the USSR. Russia was a supporter of this approach.
    Or the assets and liabilities of the USSR are divided between the republics in shares — these shares were calculated, the share of Ukraine was about 16 percent, for example.
    Ukraine was a supporter of the second option - to divide assets and liabilities in shares.
    But Russia was categorically against the partition, since the section involved an independent audit of international assets and liabilities of the USSR, and Russia was against.
    Therefore, it turned out that Ukraine has not ratified the agreement on the first option, and no one still knows the real numbers of assets and liabilities of the USSR. Therefore, Yanukovych was against recognizing anything without an independent audit.
    So the problem hung.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 3 July 2020 16: 13 New
    +2
    One of the most important amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation is the question of the succession of Russia in relation to the Soviet Union.
    ... Boltology is all this .. And you know why? .. They didn’t register that Russia is the legal successor of the Russian Empire, and there are reasons for this that modern Russia paid royal debts for example ... Soviet Russia transferred part of its property abroad to RI ... But announcing RI as the legal successor, the machine of the Russian Federation declares to all other republics, sha guys! Neither are you states, but just rebels where local nationalists came to power, by the way, this will apply to Poland and Finland, but then it will be necessary to automatically transfer the Kuril Islands, South Sakhalin to the Japanese, Kaliningrad to the Germans ... and at the same time recognize the USSR as not legally existing a state with all that it implies ... This amendment is like a concession to a group of people who claim that the USSR collapsed de facto, but de jure it exists.
    1. depressant
      depressant 3 July 2020 16: 52 New
      +4
      And he exists. Has anyone seen a photograph of the collapse of the USSR signed in Belovezhskaya Pushcha? They say the document disappeared somewhere right after signing. Allegedly, no one knows whether it is preserved and whether it exists at all. Until I see the photo provided by a reliable source, I’ll take it for granted: it’s not broken up! He simply mutated into a perverted form - one about which I first quietly, and then less and less hiding dreamed, starting with Khrushchev, traitors in the Politburo, the Central Committee of the CPSU and the government of the Union.
      1. Avior
        Avior 3 July 2020 17: 16 New
        +4
        See
        The fact that he allegedly disappeared is an invention of the Komsomol
        https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3A%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BE_%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BC%D1%8B%D1%85_%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2.pdf&page=1
        1. depressant
          depressant 3 July 2020 17: 31 New
          +3
          Colleague, I can’t dial this on the phone, I’ll be sure to get lost)) But I believe you)) And if so, what has our government been doing all these years? Well, let's say they have real estate there in the West, business, families, etc. But could claims be brought against the former Soviet republics? Apparently, political interest still played a role. We claim to them, and they will leave for NATO. Just do not take into account the cunning of these former ours. Here everyone is moved: Tajikistan, all the poor, the poor, one must spare the migrant workers. And people have been there and they say: what is there! Mountain villages are empty, everyone has moved to the valleys, large gardens, houses, European plumbing are being mastered with might and main. That's how we got some money here. Nobody works as janitors. At least in our village. Trade in meat, fruits and vegetables is all under the Uzbeks. And our government is slow in presenting the union account.
          1. Avior
            Avior 3 July 2020 17: 45 New
            +3
            There can be no complaints against the former Soviet republics - there is an agreement on the so-called zero option
            Russia agreed with the republics that the debts of the USSR, and debts to the USSR, and foreign property are transferred to Russia.
            The agreement was signed and ratified by all but Ukraine.
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            2. depressant
              depressant 3 July 2020 17: 55 New
              +2
              Ah, that’s what it means. And Ukraine, apparently, the meager owner did not order, in order to ruffle our nerves and budget.
              1. Avior
                Avior 3 July 2020 18: 54 New
                +3
                No, just Ukraine wanted to separate debts and property, as originally agreed
          2. Avior
            Avior 3 July 2020 17: 52 New
            +2
            About the link
            You need to copy it
            Put your finger and hold, the highlighted area will appear, it needs to be stretched to the entire link and click copy
            Then open Google, put your finger in the line, hold and insert the link.
            1. depressant
              depressant 3 July 2020 18: 07 New
              +3
              Avior, thanks! I did as you said. Indeed, there is even Georgian. One trouble, the panel still has a request, under the Yandex sign. Not deleted.
  • pytar
    pytar 3 July 2020 16: 42 New
    +5
    Why did Russia pay off debts for the USSR?
    In 1991, a memorandum was signed between the republics of the USSR, according to which all 12 countries, except the Baltic states, agreed to pay off the debts of the Soviet Union in proportion. But already in 1993, the Russian Federation expressed a desire to take on the entire debt of the republics, in return for refusing to claim the assets of the USSR. The republics agreed to such a "zero option." After that, Russia became the sole and full heir to the Soviet Union. And all foreign assets of the USSR were at stake: gold and foreign exchange reserves, movable and immovable property outside the territory of the countries of the former Socialist camp, as well as investments and debts of other countries. At that time, the sum of all the assets of the former USSR was estimated, according to various sources, from $ 120-150 billion! It is safe to say that the idea was really interesting. Take on debts under 97 billion, and ultimately get from 120-150 billion $! And then, such a decision seemed an extremely clever move. But alas, almost $ 100 billion of this amount is the obligations of poor countries to the USSR, which in the end were almost completely forgiven ... By the way, debt forgiveness is not a new practice in international financial relations. Usually this is solved by a problem, which makes it possible to obtain preferences in trade, thus indirectly recouping the losses of the lender.
    1. Avior
      Avior 3 July 2020 16: 59 New
      +1
      . The republics agreed to such a "zero option."

      Not everyone agreed. This is in the article.
  • wow
    wow 3 July 2020 19: 28 New
    0
    But Misha labeled has not died yet! ??? If not, then ochchchchen sorry ....!
    1. Mitreus
      Mitreus 14 August 2020 18: 06 New
      0
      Everyone is eagerly waiting to celebrate this event.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 3 July 2020 23: 03 New
    -2
    In general, already figured out. The successor, like all republics of the USSR
    And everyone agreed with the transfer of assets and liabilities of the Russian Federation, except Ukraine. Why did everything hang.
    Ukraine insisted on the distribution of debts and assets.
    The Russian Federation itself has taken all assets and liabilities. In order not to conduct an audit
    Everyone agreed except Ukraine.
    Something is not mentioned everywhere. Only law enforcement and negativity towards the republics that the Russian Federation pays common debts
    So the very same Russian Federation and took this step to own assets.
    Why make everything guilty, and infringed on the Russian Federation?
    Assets had fewer liabilities.
  • alystan
    alystan 4 July 2020 02: 08 New
    0
    Without going into a discussion of the practical and / or even material side in the issue of the succession of Russia in relation to the Soviet Union, I would only like to clarify one important, in my opinion, detail: If Russia claims to be the successor of the USSR (although de facto it has been since collapse of the USSR), then the state attributes (flag, coat of arms, anthem, constitution, etc.) must be inherited from the Soviet Union!
    And no other way! And what do we see in reality? That's right, a flag with a "dubious" reputation, a two-headed eagle with the attributes of Ancient Rome in its clutches, representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church at all angles, well, etc. Only the anthem was slightly “returned” to its former powerful and native sound! Well, you need to remove the cross or ... But what, the Russian Federation is still a secular state or not?
    The President is not shy about anyone and puts candles, kisses the image. In the USSR, this division was strictly and strictly observed by all and at all levels, both on the part of the state and on the part of religions (all, and not only Orthodox). Regarding the Russian Orthodox Church: it seems to me that there is no interest in this continuity, because she considers herself the owner of all her rights even in tsarist times, "lost" after the Great October Socialist Revolution, i.e. in the days of the USSR.
    Why this aspect is not given any attention, I do not understand in any way. I would really like to hear the opinion of the participants in the forum of the reputable site.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 4 July 2020 17: 05 New
      +2
      To set the country upside down, it is necessary for this very government to have a desire to take up this process, and if there is no desire to make it have. This I hint that the Russian Guard can not help.
    2. your1970
      your1970 6 July 2020 09: 52 New
      0
      Quote: alystan
      In the USSR, this division was strictly and strictly observed by all and at all levels, both on the part of the state, and on the part of religions (all, and not only Orthodox

      Yeah, to repair the Danilov Monastery why The USSR gave money in 1987 .... it seems that the church was separated, wasn’t it?
  • iouris
    iouris 4 July 2020 12: 19 New
    -1
    The one who has thrown the thesis of "succession" is a manipulator. This is typical NLP. They took what they considered necessary. The Russian Federation received what it received, plus the "new elite" including the "guards" and the "opposition."
  • ilik54
    ilik54 4 July 2020 14: 43 New
    0
    Enough of fools to make up and smear snot on a dirty erysipelas. Russia should look stern and menacing.
    1. iouris
      iouris 4 July 2020 16: 29 New
      -2
      Quote: ilik54
      Russia should look stern and menacing.

      "Inside and out, where everything is different" ...
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 4 July 2020 17: 02 New
    0
    To return all one hundred to us belongs by right and is paid in blood, you must first have a slender idiology and iron testicles of leadership.
    1. your1970
      your1970 6 July 2020 09: 57 New
      0
      Quote: evgen1221
      iron test eggs.

      Stalin will not deny the presence of these, I hope ??? And the presence of ideology with him?
      Nevertheless, Stalin could not take Kolchak's gold from broken Japan ....
      Stalin could not return the Patriarchal Compound in Jerusalem ..
      Stalin could not return 4 estates in Italy ....
      So the point is not in eggs and / or ideology, and not even in the presence of the most powerful army at that time ....
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 6 July 2020 16: 47 New
        0
        I do not deny it, but I also suppose that Stalin, in return, took something quite good.
        1. your1970
          your1970 7 July 2020 18: 53 New
          0
          Quote: evgen1221
          I do not deny it, but I also suppose that Stalin, in return, took something quite good.

          and what, for example, did we take from Japan - smashed into smoke? Kuril Islands? so they were not critical for us at that moment ...
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 4 July 2020 17: 14 New
    +2
    It turns out that Russia does not have its own specialists in collecting debts abroad. There is a solution, it is necessary to hire effective collector campaigns for a substantial% of the recoverable property. Ready to work in conditions of clearly unfriendly attention in many countries.

    I’m watching myself how 3 lards of “borrowed by friendship” to Ukraine, while seemingly indisputable, cannot be returned through an English court. The final verdict was to be announced in June 2020. AU, ??? And this is fundamental.
  • Nubia2
    Nubia2 5 July 2020 12: 30 New
    +1
    This amendment is needed only in order to preserve the oligarchs that they privatized from the people.
  • Maxim Aranson
    Maxim Aranson 5 July 2020 19: 52 New
    +1
    Russia, maybe. and successor, but the absolutely impotent and pro-Western "provisional government" is strong with the volost unswervingly. because received it as a result of fraud and supports fraud. Until we remove this power and put in its place the people's, nationally-oriented government, we can forget about the "succession".
  • boni592807
    boni592807 5 July 2020 22: 01 New
    0
    Weird question. When China designated its claims, incl. to Hong Kong, who believed they would return him ?! First, to indicate that debts are real, but "can not be" 0 is simply NOT a decent amount. Both the former allies and partners from Europe (at least for the Second World War), and overseas. You can, of course, smile for Alaska and others, for the gold of the tsar’s tsar’s king and the party’s gold, as well as for “successful” businessmen from the USSR to the present day with places of storage acquired by “overwork”. For example, the United States, of course, in the process of struggle for democracy, the listed assets were "grabbed" in every way. And, what do you think, every work should be paid, preferably VERY good. We need to learn from historical experience and we will be happy, and partners will first think about whether it is worth waking up famously ... hi
  • Barely
    Barely 6 July 2020 09: 48 New
    -2
    Hello, all participants in the debate! I read, I didn’t have the patience to read to the end, I remembered the old joke about cats, I’ll remind you who forgot or didn’t know: cats, lying in the sun, boast of their laziness: “if the mouse came now, I wouldn’t move”, - “If they put sour cream on me, I wouldn’t open my eyes”, etc. Finally, one, without opening his eyes: “guys, and you want to talk?” ...
    If you are sitting in a car driven by another, and if you are a reasonable person, will you endanger your life by distracting the driver to your comments and tips?
    I am a grandmother whose youth came in the 60s, maturity in the 90s. Slogans of the 60s “If not me, then - who?”, “You can, then - must!” Brought me into politics in the 90s. As a professional, having opened my own cooperative, I realized that in existing laws, manufacturing entrepreneurs will not be able to survive, which means that efforts and time must be made to change laws.
    I was a member of the first All-Union Congress of Tikhonov cooperators. Artyom Tarasov then proposed to pool funds to create his own printed organ. By the way, I deeply respect this man: how many times he was forced to flee abroad, so many times he returned to Russia and invested in Russian progress. As far as I know, he is now in Russia, but silently does his job.
    I told all this to make it clear: in “politics” there remained those who could not do anything else but to speak. Of those who knew how to speak, there was a very small percentage of those who had education and culture, were sufficient to think objectively, and not "pocket". Today these talkers rule.
    In the 90s, I made a choice for myself, and parted with the talkers, and I believe that now I have no moral right to condemn the actions of the talkers. Allowed to steer another, enjoy the ride!
    Putin came not in the wake of conversations, but in the wake of business, profession. If Yeltsin has anything to erect a monument for, it is because he saw and installed Putin, as if the critics did not detract from the significance of this fact. He accepted the country in a state very close to that in which Ukraine is now. He meticulously picked up his comrades-in-arms, alone what Shoigu is worth! I will not list everything that has changed compared to the 90s, during his management. Now he cannot leave the "incomplete" and the Amendments are in this row.
    That’s why I wrote so many words, instead of several: “everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side”, if you can, act, you can’t ... - “and want to talk to you?”
    1. CBR600
      CBR600 6 July 2020 10: 31 New
      +2
      I do not believe you !!
      The result of the activity "on the face"! The industry killed by us is galoshes, a boot. There are people, they are creators, but not boots. Only destroyed, destroyed. There is nothing in the country. Not left. And you and I will soon be gone.
  • v.biseroff
    v.biseroff 7 July 2020 11: 51 New
    0
    I still do not understand what Russia has assets abroad in the near and far abroad strictly on the list please!
  • max702
    max702 7 July 2020 13: 49 New
    0
    Regular carpet bombing can easily solve this issue .. The rest is air shake .. For example, a vitrified area on the site of Lviv would dramatically increase Moscow’s contractual position on many issues ..
  • Left shot
    Left shot 7 July 2020 22: 30 New
    0
    What are you speaking about? The whole circus, as amended, was done solely for one purpose - to keep at the cost of the feeder, at the top of the colony, all this Caudle, which could not get enough. What does the amendment to the Russian constitution have to do with the possibility of collecting something? How do some amendments within Russia relate to other countries? Would you like to collect something - would you have recovered earlier, with what amendments? Or did the wind blow your head out of a zombie? They drew a "vote for amendments", now the ghouls will only deal with what they need and do with the usual thing - they will cancel the pension, introduce a tax on rain, dogs and strollers, and continue to kill medicine and education to zero.
  • Enemy
    Enemy 9 July 2020 10: 36 New
    0
    If Russia is the successor, then the borders of Russia = the borders of the USSR, who do not like let them flee to Poland or China.
  • D. Dan
    D. Dan 31 July 2020 23: 03 New
    0
    I beg you, from whom can they rip what? Look at the ruble, at least, the country has huge zvr and the defense industry is at the very least poorly plowed, the ship-machine building (yes, yes, it plows) has huge resources - and the most volatile currency in the world. Nabiulin and co rob the people for the benefit of the IMF, and our elites, or rather, privatization bandits, can do nothing but spread rot on the population. First you need to hang the bastard, inside, and who will hang that? And who are the judges? American ass licks and saw-hangers. ????? So maybe the most patriotic officers, and at least retired military officers, can distribute revolvers and party cards, then maybe that would have changed - through the massive ones that will save their homeland. Otherwise, no way, yes, in my opinion.
  • Old warrior
    Old warrior 8 August 2020 18: 22 New
    0
    Piss. It would be necessary to achieve more sharply. Come and take yours.
  • King3214
    King3214 10 August 2020 23: 35 New
    0
    Why hurry? For Russia, 100 years is not a period.
    The main thing is to constantly, all the while waiting, to remind the "people-thieves" that they live on the stolen Russian land.
  • Mitreus
    Mitreus 14 August 2020 18: 04 New
    0
    Shame of course. All and sundry wipe their feet on Russia!
  • Commissar of the NKVD
    Commissar of the NKVD 5 September 2020 11: 27 New
    0
    If we calculate how much the West owes us at the end of the twentieth century and hire lawyers for 10%, and another 10% - collectors of the appropriate level, then it will very soon turn into something in front of which Zimbabwe will seem like paradise.
  • Old warrior
    Old warrior 12 September 2020 17: 55 New
    0
    Not ready, of course. Piss. And it is necessary harder, harder. Do not be afraid, Vladimirovich, it is not for you to raise the retirement age, the people will definitely support. And then he will take part in the shaking ...
  • Victor Zakharov
    Victor Zakharov 16 September 2020 15: 31 New
    0
    The capitalist Russian government lives at the expense of the people, grows fat at the expense of the people and the same people hates
  • loaln
    loaln 17 September 2020 09: 37 New
    0
    Don't mess with your grandmother!
    She is tired.
  • venaly
    venaly 18 September 2020 06: 49 New
    0
    In the era of Yeltsin, they trashed everything, handed out what they could and what they could not.