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From the “showcase of the USSR” to the “museum of Soviet occupation”: a short memory of Georgia

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Georgian SSR. Source: visualhistory.livejournal.com


Overweight account


Georgia has long struggled with the Soviet legacy, turning into overt anti-Russian rhetoric. The country has long been replaced by the term "Great Patriotic War" with the international "World War II". At the same time, paradoxical inconsistencies still remained in some places: on the remaining monuments, inscriptions in Russian still remind of the Great Patriotic War, and in English already “WWII 1939-1945”.

Since 2006, Georgia is the only country in the South Caucasus where there is a "museum of Soviet occupation." This is a propaganda exhibition designed to distort history own country and denigrate the Soviet period. The Soviet Occupation Museum is just a hall of the national museum in Tbilisi, but the very fact of the existence of such a “cultural” object is repeatedly replicated on nearby signs.

One of the outcomes of such a policy was the formation of anti-Russian sentiment in the public. Five years ago, the NDI American National Democratic Institute conducted a survey in Georgia on Russia's influence on the country. 76%, that is, the overwhelming majority, answered that the influence is negative, 12% is positive, the rest were not determined. Subsequent NDI polls only confirmed these ratios, while supplementing the image of Russia as a source of threat to Georgia (67% of respondents say so). “Continuation of the occupation of Georgian territories” - this is how the signing of treaties by the unrecognized republics of South Ossetia and Abkhazia is interpreted by Russia.


One of the episodes of life under the "occupation". Source: visualhistory.livejournal.com

Such close attention of the Georgian leadership and the public to the past, carried out under the Soviet "occupation", leaves the real situation in the background. Since the Stalin era, the Georgian SSR has been in a privileged position. This was largely explained by the special attitude of the “father of peoples” to his small homeland.

In Georgia, leadership has always been appointed from local elites who are well aware of the specifics of the region. This was not practiced in all republics. Georgian winemaking was actively promoted by the top of the Kremlin in foreign markets, and the Black Sea coast was built up with luxurious holiday homes and party nomenclature villas.

With Stalin's death, unrest passed in Georgia: people were alarmed by the debunking of the personality cult and the loss of possible preferences from the center. At the same time, a movement for the country's independence was formed among the youth, which resulted in a bloody clash on March 9, 1956. During the Tbilisi unrest, 22 people were killed. Nevertheless, the rising rebellion was still able to be suppressed, but the fear of centrifugal and nationalist Georgian sentiments in Moscow remained until the collapse of the union state. Since then, the famous appeared: "The poorest Georgian is richer than any Russian." Resources poured into Georgia by the river.




Soviet Occupation Museum. Source: ru.wikipedia.org

Along with Armenia and the Baltic, Georgia was a member of the elite club "windows of socialism." This meant, first of all, the maximum possible liberalization of the administrative apparatus in the conditions of the USSR. Even the leadership of the KGB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs was appointed from the local. Georgia was the richest republic, while its viability completely depended on the resources of the RSFSR. Since Stalin's times, the level of total cost per capita consumption of goods and services was four to five times higher than production. Four to five times! This could not afford any republic. In the RSFSR, for example, consumption did not reach the level of production by 30%. Naturally, such a situation in the Georgian SSR suited everyone, especially the party nomenclature, which constantly knocked out new allocations from Moscow. In short, the main argument was: "Without money, it will be difficult for us to keep the nationalists with their demands for autonomy."

The country has unique land tenure conditions: 7-8% of agricultural land was in private hands, and not on collective farm property. And this small share provided up to 70% of the republic’s total crop, which was successfully sold with large profits in Moscow and Leningrad. Director of the Tbilisi Institute of Management Strategy Petro Mamradze states:

This long-term activity was so profitable that merchants, their families and relatives could buy Moskvich and Zhiguli, or even Volga, every year.

What about now? Mamradze continues:

A startling figure: 80% of the food consumed by the Georgian population comes from abroad. We became a banana republic, only without our own bananas, we also have to import bananas. From year to year, we now have a catastrophically negative export-import balance - 6 billion and more dollars each year.

The approximate estimates of the free financial injections into the Georgian SSR for the entire period of the "occupation" are approaching half a trillion dollars. Without these resources, modern Georgia could hardly provide the population with even such a not-so-high standard of living. Will the country (purely hypothetically) be able to at least partially pay for such a hated Soviet legacy? The question is rhetorical.

High salaries, low prices


The State Planning Committee of the USSR from the 60s to the end of the 80s recorded very interesting statistics in Georgia. Salaries, pensions, scholarships and various benefits were on average 20% higher than in the RSFSR, and prices were 15-20% lower. All this allowed the average Georgian family to live in a big way. For example, such a number of cars, as on the streets of Soviet Georgia, could be seen, perhaps, only in Moscow. Archival photographs show real traffic jams, inconceivable somewhere in Tashkent, Sverdlovsk or Sochi. At the same time, most of the indigenous population did not take up work in the manufacturing sector - Russians prevailed there (up to 60%). But in the service sector, on the contrary, 50% was for Georgians and one quarter for Russians. Moreover, in 1959, the share of Russians in the republic was above 10%, and in 1989 amounted to only 6,3%.

Georgia not only “pumped up” money and goods from the center, but also actively developed its infrastructure. The best roads in the Union were built in the republic (which were very expensive due to the landscape), comfortable housing, first-class sanatoriums and hospitals were built. And, finally, by the mid-70s, all of Georgia was gasified (in modern Russia, it seems, five to ten more years to go before that).

It is necessary to separately mention the fate of Abkhazia and South Ossetia in the section of the subsidized pie. On average, these provinces in Soviet times got together no more than 5-7%. Compare with 15% for Adjara. Therefore, it is impossible to talk about any special attention of the Georgian leadership to these annexed territories.

A little more about the special situation of the republic. In the years of the USSR, Georgian enterprises could keep up to half of the revenue in rubles and one third in currency. For comparison: in the RSFSR, the state was given 75% and 95%, respectively. Such is the dependent arithmetic.


Source: visualhistory.livejournal.com

But the patronage of Moscow was not so easy: in the 70s, corruption flourished in Georgia. Initially, it consisted of bribing Moscow officials for regular financial influences in a particular industry. Over time, this became a powerful basis for the development of the shadow sector of the Georgian economy or, simply, the formation of a criminal underground. Up to a third of all “thieves in law” in the entire Soviet Union were Georgians, despite the fact that only 2% of the population of the USSR belonged to the Georgian nation. The influence of criminals from Georgia throughout the country is difficult to overestimate. Eric Smith, an expert at the Woodrow Wilson International Center, writes in this regard:

The Georgian SSR played a significant role in shaping the shadow economy of the Soviet Union, shaping the market of the late USSR.

In particular, the shadow business exported diamonds and jewelry diamonds from the Georgian SSR, further fueling the criminal world.

In many ways, this state of affairs was due to the Moscow fears described at the beginning of the article. They were afraid of anti-Soviet uprisings, nationalist movements and the demands of autonomy. Instead of strict control and accountability, Georgia gained more freedom and money than it could carry. The leadership of the republic was only able to receive, spend and bribe. At the same time, not shying away from fomenting openly anti-Soviet sentiments in himself, using them to blackmail Moscow. And when the Soviet Union was declining, the republic was one of the first to declare independence from the "invaders." To become a pseudo-sovereign republic again in the future.
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  1. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 3 July 2020 06: 00 New
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    Who would occupy us like that ... crying
    1. My address
      My address 3 July 2020 09: 10 New
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      hi Vladimir.
      In the 70s, they acquired the Tbilisi machining line. The Georgians almost registered with us, but they could not fix this squalor. It was possible to take the line from the Germans, at the same time, decent-adjusters brought to the Georgian miracle of engineering. They explained in detail why the grave is cheaper to turn into scrap than to teach how to work. So they did.
      In the early 90s, I went to Georgia on a business trip for special alloys, at the same time to see how it was. To say that he was dumbfounded is to say nothing. Often hatred of the Russians, the Russians leave and the rest of the order in production disappears, the products in the shops and in the market are not enough Azerbaijani, Armenian, Russian, Georgian. Traded Armenians and Azerbaijan. Local Russians believe that Georgians are the most lazy in Transcaucasia, but the ambition is higher than the roof.
      And I stopped taking Georgian wine after last year’s calls of the patient to the top of the Kutaisi correspondent to spoil the wine with waste products.
      Indeed, if God wants to punish - deprives the mind.
      1. fuxila
        fuxila 3 July 2020 15: 14 New
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        Quote: My address
        And I stopped taking Georgian wine after last year’s calls of the patient to the top of the Kutaisi correspondent to spoil the wine with waste products.

        Since that time, all Georgian wines, regardless of the label, have become one sort - "Minassali".
        1. P. Makarov
          P. Makarov 5 July 2020 21: 08 New
          +3
          I haven’t taken Georgian wines for a long time. Any others, yes.
      2. fyvaprold
        fyvaprold 3 July 2020 18: 49 New
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        Quote: My address
        hi Vladimir.
        In the 70s, they acquired the Tbilisi machining line. The Georgians almost registered with us, but they could not fix this squalor. It was possible to take the line from the Germans, at the same time, decent-adjusters brought to the Georgian miracle of engineering. They explained in detail why the grave is cheaper to turn into scrap than to teach how to work. So they did.
        In the early 90s, I went to Georgia on a business trip for special alloys, at the same time to see how it was. To say that he was dumbfounded is to say nothing. Often hatred of the Russians, the Russians leave and the rest of the order in production disappears, the products in the shops and in the market are not enough Azerbaijani, Armenian, Russian, Georgian. Traded Armenians and Azerbaijan. Local Russians believe that Georgians are the most lazy in Transcaucasia, but the ambition is higher than the roof.
        And I stopped taking Georgian wine after last year’s calls of the patient to the top of the Kutaisi correspondent to spoil the wine with waste products.
        Indeed, if God wants to punish - deprives the mind.

        A similar attitude of Georgians towards Russia and Russians appeared long before the collapse of the USSR. I won’t go into details, but if you are interested, I recommend reading the story Victor Astafiev "Fishing for minnows in Georgia", there it is very thoroughly described. Link to the online library below. hi
        http://www.lib.ru/PROZA/ASTAFIEW/r_peskari.txt
    2. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 3 July 2020 09: 11 New
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      No one should occupy us.

      Apart from the Mongols, the other potential occupiers of Russia were richer and more cultured than Russia. But from their occupation, Russia would not receive anything useful, except the genocide of the Russian people.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 3 July 2020 09: 17 New
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        Quote: Aleksandr1971
        But from their occupation, Russia would not receive anything useful, except the genocide of the Russian people.

        In fact of the matter. I would not mind if the invaders worked instead of us, and we would sit on the mound, husk seeds and get three times more Germans, for example, giving them wrenches. laughing Just kidding
        1. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 3 July 2020 10: 47 New
          +1
          That is, would you like to become someone like blacks in the USA or Arabs in Europe, but only in your own country?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 6 July 2020 16: 59 New
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            Quote: Aleksandr1971
            Would you like to become someone like blacks in the USA or Arabs in Europe, but only in your own country?

            No. Read Wolfe's Bonfires of Ambition.
    3. iouris
      iouris 3 July 2020 14: 22 New
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      SO only Georgia can be occupied. Moreover, only Russia can occupy SO. And so that the Georgians lead the "occupation" of both Georgia and the USSR.
      But discussing this is stupid. It needs economic and political measures.
    4. And Makarov
      And Makarov 6 July 2020 15: 45 New
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      Yes, there is a saying: "Don't do good - you won't get evil!"
      Just about Georgia and other Baltic states.
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 3 July 2020 06: 06 New
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    Honestly speaking, it’s not very interesting to me what is happening in Georgia, this small country which is always destined to lie under someone.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 3 July 2020 08: 08 New
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      such over time will be divided. even external control on the Georgian market gives little, more will give an increment of territoriesfrom it
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    3. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 3 July 2020 09: 09 New
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      We are on the site "VO". And Georgia borders on Russia. Therefore, from a military point of view, it is very important how the territory of Georgia is used, against Russia, or for Russia.
    4. iouris
      iouris 3 July 2020 14: 23 New
      +3
      Georgia is already a Turkish colony. She was presented.
  3. Courier
    Courier 3 July 2020 06: 10 New
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    Since the Stalin era, the Georgian SSR has been in a privileged position. This was largely explained by the special attitude of the “father of peoples” to his small homeland.


    False. Comrade Stalin could not allow such a thing. The proletarians of all socialist republics were equal, the Georgian even more equal than the rest.
    As you know, Joseph Vissarionitch was not mistaken, and he acted correctly with Georgia, the investments paid off, we still drink Georgian wine and Borjomi.
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 3 July 2020 06: 34 New
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      The merit of not even Stalin but Lavrentiy Beria was that he began to develop the Georgian economy.
    2. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 3 July 2020 06: 38 New
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      Quote: Courier
      we still drink Georgian wine and Borjomi.

      I do not buy Georgian wine and Borjomi, Baltic sprats, Polish apples. Why support the vile Russophobia.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 3 July 2020 06: 56 New
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        Quote: Anatole Klim
        Quote: Courier
        we still drink Georgian wine and Borjomi.

        I do not buy Georgian wine and Borjomi, Baltic sprats, Polish apples. Why support the vile Russophobia.

        In their water there is often a lot of sediment, tangerines, oranges so-so .... Polish apples and cabbage are hard, tasteless. ... on the balcony since autumn 2 apples were forgotten ---- and nothing happened to them!
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 3 July 2020 08: 09 New
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          Quote: Reptiloid
          In their water, there is often a lot of sediment, mandarin oranges are so-so.

          Oranges do not grow in Georgia, Abkhazia and Adjara, but tangerines and even lemons have taken root. But now they are also practically not grown, like tea with tobacco. The kings of the Moscow markets have turned into small bazaar merchants, proud regulars in Moscow restaurants; now they work in these restaurants as Chaldeans and garcons (this is at best).
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 3 July 2020 08: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: Reptiloid
            In their water, there is often a lot of sediment, mandarin oranges are so-so.

            Oranges do not grow in Georgia, Abkhazia and Adjara, but tangerines and even lemons have taken root. But now they are also practically not grown, like tea with tobacco. The kings of the Moscow markets have turned into small bazaar merchants, proud regulars in Moscow restaurants; now they work in these restaurants as Chaldeans and garcons (this is at best).

            Let their market kings be lowered ...... And who let them down? If you recall one 90s market in our area ---- so the Azerbaijanis somehow pushed them away. ..... And then after all, Georgians sat next to a paid toilet, collected a fee ....... Near that grocery was a so-called flea market, there was a bookstore and I even bought full collections there ..... . It has long been like now --- I don’t know.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 3 July 2020 09: 12 New
              +1
              Dmitry! hi Is it about a satisfying market?
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 3 July 2020 09: 37 New
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                Quote: 3x3zsave
                Dmitry! hi Is it about a satisfying market?

                wink no! With us, ---- it is on Specific, near the piece of iron. He appeared in the early 90s ...... there was an absolutely wild market. It is sometimes shown in x / films as a landscape negative
                Civilized many times ..... 7 years was not ... the topic is gone .... hi
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 3 July 2020 09: 44 New
                  +2
                  By itself, the "flea market" near the metro still exists, but the "shanghai" along the railway track was demolished 5 years ago. I periodically visit the Udelka, my friends live there.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 3 July 2020 09: 50 New
                    +2
                    Near the metro? I on the other hand used to be usually. Minibuses, bus .... just closer to the gray shops ... but ---- the topic is gone! Everything seems to have been cleaned near the metro. .....
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 3 July 2020 10: 01 New
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                      Yes, exactly between the metro and the railway station. Only there are not stalls, but all sorts of aunts-uncles with various rubbish spread out on oilcloths. This is what is traditionally considered the "flea market on Udelnaya". By the way, an unofficial landmark of the city.
                      1. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 3 July 2020 10: 20 New
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                        ......exactly this...
                        no nooooo. It used to be so ---- to go along the Fermsky highway for a long time, to the hospital and further, to the church ..... And along the road these goods are from people, right on the ground, or from counters or from cars .... .. for this, the Georgians took a fee .... but --- it is only on Saturday and Sunday. Previously, there were small pavilions near the metro, after the threats of terrorism they broke everything, for a long time ...... but I stopped there by the metro because I extended the bus, rarely to Udelny, if in Kolomyagi, there’s another kind of transport. hi
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 3 July 2020 10: 28 New
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                        I understand, I saw it too. I talked about what is present today.
                      3. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 3 July 2020 10: 58 New
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                        near the subway lit up a garbage can? recourse Amid the day right? Or by night?
                        I wondered if we should go on our side to get acquainted for the weekend along the road. But better tomorrow, maybe .....
                        And before, after all, there were products from containers and alcohol ... probably all negative homemade negative counterfeit ..... am
                      4. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 3 July 2020 11: 04 New
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                        near the subway lit up a garbage can?
                        Yes, it’s not really a garbage dump, even the police are not very interested, so they sometimes drive for the sake of appearance. However, now it may not happen to see this phenomenon. I was there the last time before quarantine.
                      5. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 3 July 2020 12: 52 New
                        +1
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        ..... Yes, it’s not really a garbage dump, even the police are not very interested, so they sometimes drive for the sake of appearance. However, now it may not happen to see this phenomenon. I was there the last time before quarantine.
                        and okay, if the excess is removed. I do not like it when the metro is garbage.
                      6. Reader 2013
                        Reader 2013 3 July 2020 18: 40 New
                        +4
                        And do not you go in PM with your small-town memories
  4. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 3 July 2020 11: 07 New
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    Quote: Reptiloid
    If you recall one 90s market in our area ---- so Azerbaijanis somehow pushed them

    Yes, in the 90s, Azerbaijanis also hosted the Bountiful Market. Just at the beginning of the 90s, grandmothers were selling their tomatoes, beautifully sprinkled in front of the market, and octahedrons in unnatural colors. The people clearly deal with the grandmothers, and here the spells jump out and trampled all the tomatoes, and the cops stand and laugh.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 3 July 2020 12: 57 New
      +1
      .
      ....... and then pop up ......
      .... nothing, nothing, our grandmothers then came up with these negative breed foreigners from near abroad .....
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 3 July 2020 09: 06 New
    +4
    in Russia, Georgians, unlike Armenians, Azerbaijanis and Central Asians, do not so much work as they trade in criminal affairs.

    I do not mean the old Moscow diaspora of noble Georgian origin.
  • Dimon71
    Dimon71 3 July 2020 12: 12 New
    +1
    Well how are oranges not growing? I myself was from Batumi. We had a garden. There were growing all citrus fruits. Oranges. Mandarins. Washingtones. Kiwi. Feijua. Limons. Etc. and now all this is growing with my friends in Adjara. Some cut down citrus and planted a nut ( hazelnuts) it is not whimsical and more expensive in the market!
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 3 July 2020 10: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Polish apples and cabbage are hard, tasteless. ... on the balcony since autumn 2 apples were forgotten ---- and nothing happened to them!

    Polish "Grani Smith" treated with a thin layer of paraffin, lasts a year. You take it, and it is oily to the touch. It will rot inside, but outside as fresh. All apples are processed like this, you need to cut the skin.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 3 July 2020 08: 02 New
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    Quote: Anatol Klim
    I do not buy Georgian wine and Borjomi, Baltic sprats, Polish apples. Why support the vile Russophobia.

    As well as French wines and cheeses. Do not buy Japanese TVs, cars. Do you have everything only made in Russia, or just selected from Georgians, Balts and Poles? Well, how else are you doing with Ukrainian goods?
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 3 July 2020 08: 51 New
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      Quote: tihonmarine
      As well as French wines and cheeses.

      I prefer wine from Chile, New Zealand, South Africa, cheese - from Belarus.
      Do not buy Japanese TVs, cars.

      I bought a purely Japanese TV (not Malaysia, not China) in 1994, it works, it has never broken, Volkswagen cars of Kaluga assembly.
      Well, how else are you doing with Ukrainian goods?

      We have not seen Ukrainian goods in the Volga region for a long time, the last time I bought a stew from the DPR, there was an action in Magnet "Support Donbass", I supported.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 3 July 2020 10: 49 New
        -6
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        We have not seen Ukrainian goods in the Volga region for a long time, the last time I bought a stew from the DPR,

        We have Ukrainian lard, honey and sunflower oil in the market, I take it, the main thing is that the product is good.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 3 July 2020 09: 05 New
      +5
      There used to be a lot of sweets from the piglet, his company. People did not take. They were cheaper and they disappeared .... some French cheeses are now being produced ..... like even camembert. drinks
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 3 July 2020 11: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Reptiloid
        There used to be a lot of sweets from the piglet, his company.

        That's for sure, we also had a lot, now gone.
        1. your1970
          your1970 31 August 2020 07: 31 New
          0
          Roshen's factory in the Russian Federation closed a long time ago
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 31 August 2020 10: 43 New
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            Quote: your1970
            Roshen's factory in the Russian Federation closed a long time ago

            No, we were directly driven from Sumerstan.
            1. your1970
              your1970 31 August 2020 11: 37 New
              0
              Relatively little went across the border into the Russian Federation
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 31 August 2020 12: 18 New
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                Quote: your1970
                Relatively little went across the border into the Russian Federation

                Quote: your1970
                Relatively little went across the border into the Russian Federation

                And this is good, the quality is much worse than in Russia. Russian sweets are highly valued here.
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  • novice
    novice 4 July 2020 18: 58 New
    +1
    That would be to pass a law so that in the store on the price tag (at least not large) they write the manufacturer. Few people will read a pack.
    On the other hand, ordinary Georgians, like many other peoples, are unlikely to have anything to do with this. Only those who do not want to see pretend that they do not know where the legs grow from .......
  • iouris
    iouris 3 July 2020 14: 24 New
    -1
    Quote: Courier
    we still drink Georgian wine and Borjomi

    Is that all? But where do you live: on a mountain, or in a swamp?
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 3 July 2020 06: 23 New
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    For what cars Colchis did, the driver’s dream))
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 3 July 2020 06: 50 New
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      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      For what cars Colchis did, the driver’s dream))

      What kind? I once read ----there is no beast worse than a lynx and cars from Kutaisi Various unflattering reviews ....
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 July 2020 07: 09 New
        +7
        Hi Dmitry soldier
        There was a "mountain tractor" for transporting bay leaves. laughing
        Somehow differently all spoke of him ....
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 3 July 2020 08: 30 New
          +4
          Quote: rocket757
          Hi Dmitry soldier
          There was a "mountain tractor" for transporting bay leaves. laughing
          Somehow differently all spoke of him ....

          Good morning Victor hi and a good day! I myself didn’t see the cars, but there were mentions and read that they were collected there, and were the components from different places brought there? But take away ----
          lol was the driver to go there and then drive to the place? And this trip was interesting .....
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 3 July 2020 09: 11 New
            +4
            Were taxied by such a plague ... okay. But it’s just easy to steer, a neighbor worked for her, not very much praised her.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 3 July 2020 09: 39 New
              +2
              laughing
              Quote: rocket757
              Were taxied by such a plague ... okay. But it’s just easy to steer, a neighbor worked for her, not very much praised her.
              Yes, a lot of things have been seen! hi
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 3 July 2020 09: 59 New
                +5
                He was restless. I wanted to know and see a lot! Opportunities, after all, not only fall on the heads, some, because after all, if you look for them, many have found them!
                There is only the right choice to make, and there it goes.
                And to steer ... so I have rights since 77, I managed to master many of those times.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 3 July 2020 10: 10 New
                  +2
                  ...... since 77! .....
                  Stunned! And with your soul you are very young, and skills and abilities are different hi
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 3 July 2020 10: 31 New
                    +3
                    If you recall ... here is a list of my childhood and youth hobbies - "Radio Circle", "Ship Modeling", "Art Photography Circle", "Aircraft Model Circle", "Young Chemist Circle", Young Mechanic Circle ".... carpentry business and grandfather taught construction wisdom, again another grandfather forced him to take "courses for a young soldier" in the fire department, he led them in the area .... plus a choir, a music school ... fortunately without fanaticism, there was naturally SPORT! Weightlifting and motorsport .....
                    In short, they did not let me get bored !!! Such were the cases, such were the times.
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 3 July 2020 11: 20 New
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                      Quote: rocket757
                      In short, they did not let me get bored !!! Such were the cases, such were the times.

                      And in the summer at the pioneer camp. We didn’t have it when I finished school, immediately onto a tractor in trailers, plowmen, flax pullers, and so on until September 1st. There, too, did not miss 12 hours in the field.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 3 July 2020 11: 29 New
                        +2
                        In the fields, this is obligatory ... of a class like this 5-6 began. At first for 2 weeks, and then for a month, it is no-show. It was fun!
                    2. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 3 July 2020 12: 47 New
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                      Great good !!
                      Quote: rocket757
                      If you recall ... here is a list of my childhood and youth hobbies - "Radio Circle", "Ship Modeling", "Art Photography Circle", "Aircraft Model Circle", "Young Chemist Circle", Young Mechanic Circle ".... carpentry business and grandfather taught construction wisdom, again another grandfather forced him to take "courses for a young soldier" in the fire department, he led them in the area .... plus a choir, a music school ... fortunately without fanaticism, there was naturally SPORT! Weightlifting and motorsport .....
                      In short, they did not let me get bored !!! Such were the cases, such were the times.

                      And then what ----- I know! Leningrad!
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 3 July 2020 13: 12 New
                        +1
                        And then everything went on as an adult ... everything that was previously very useful.
                        Extra knowledge and skills do not exist.
                        Each has its own path, from and to, there are many options.
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 3 July 2020 13: 18 New
                        +1
                        There is something to convey, there is someone!
                        Quote: rocket757
                        And then everything went on as an adult ... everything that was previously very useful.
                        Extra knowledge and skills do not exist.
                        Each has its own path, from and to, there are many options.

                        And so it will continue!
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 3 July 2020 10: 11 New
                +3
                In youth and youth it is necessary to hurry to live! Then it becomes once, and after - uninteresting.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 3 July 2020 10: 32 New
                  +2
                  In a hurry, but without extreme. But then to whom it is written in kind.
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 3 July 2020 10: 35 New
                    +3
                    In a hurry, but without extreme
                    "To the maniac adventurer,
                    There is always a quest! " (FROM) laughing
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 3 July 2020 10: 40 New
                      +1
                      Maniac, he’s also a maniac in Africa ... an adventurer, it’s somewhat different.
                2. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 3 July 2020 11: 40 New
                  +2
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  In youth and youth it is necessary to hurry to live! Then it becomes once, and after - uninteresting.

                  As long as there is an interest in life, in creation, it is always interesting to live. Just in youth, the sensations are brighter.
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 3 July 2020 11: 47 New
                    +5
                    And this is also true. That's just ...
                    For example, I’m no longer hitchhiking from St. Petersburg to Murmansk request
                    "You and I are not the same for a long time, And we do not live by sinful deeds,
                    We sleep in the heat, do not believe the dark,
                    And swords are hung on the wall "(C)
        2. News reader
          News reader 14 September 2020 21: 16 New
          0
          We called such a work "Georgian miracle Russian grief"
      2. Murrr 27
        Murrr 27 27 July 2020 17: 48 New
        +1
        Once I was driving from Orsha to Minsk by hitchhiking on Colchis, the driver told how he brought her to mind: he arrived - to the pit, the cabin was boiled, the Schaub did not flow. Then I overloaded it, chose a pothole - maybe the rear axle for scrap metal, instead of - from ZIL 130. Then - I don't remember how, in the 80th year it was - dviglo and the box, too, waved to ZIL-ovsky - "A good car turned out"
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 27 July 2020 18: 38 New
          0
          A friend of the driver told me that she was like Zil 130, but for some reason she was not driving.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 3 July 2020 07: 31 New
      +1
      Tbilisi electric locomotives were also those animals.
      1. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 3 July 2020 09: 04 New
        +4
        At the industrial enterprises in Georgia, not Georgians worked, but Russians.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 3 July 2020 09: 44 New
          -1
          Judging by the quality of the products, this is not so.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 3 July 2020 08: 17 New
      +5
      Quote: Reptiloid
      there is no beast worse than a lynx and cars from Kutaisi

      If you hear the roar of the engine and the sky is clouded with smoke, then in an hour you will see the famous "Colchis"
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 3 July 2020 15: 10 New
        +3
        They talked about Colchis "The pride of Georgia - the grief of the Urals" !!!
    4. cat_Bayum
      cat_Bayum 3 July 2020 08: 42 New
      +2
      Fair reviews, another scary car was the SU-25 from the Tbilisi plant
    5. Lynx2000
      Lynx2000 3 July 2020 23: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Reptiloid

      I once read ----there is no beast worse than a lynx and cars from Kutaisi Various unflattering reviews ....

      what
      Popular reviews are sharp on the tongue. For example, I know several and one obscene about Mitsubishi:
      "There is no cooler great in the world than Mitsubishi Delica"
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 3 July 2020 06: 50 New
    12
    Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
    For what cars Colchis did, the driver’s dream))

    We tearfully asked this pepelats to be replaced with an ordinary ZIL-130.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 3 July 2020 06: 56 New
    +7
    And there was also the Sokol MR equipment of increased reliability ... Only he did not fly, oh, and we sipped grief with him! I had to change EVERYTHING!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 3 July 2020 08: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      And there was also the Sokol MR equipment of increased reliability ... Only he did not fly, oh, and we sipped grief with him! I had to change EVERYTHING!

      In the 80s, one Tbilisi research institute for the port fleet and fishing fleet developed a system for the treatment of oily waters installed on a special vessel, which consisted of the latest development (there are no analogues in the world, as always) separators and a control system for four photocells. Four pairs of pairs of tanks for 300 tons, in the first tank you take sludge and bilge, separate, in the last tank there is clean water, and all the rubbish in a slop tank. My brother received such a "toy". Experienced a month, pumping and separating back and forth, the effect is zero. In the opinion of Moscow experts, the control system should not work at all, and the separators were at the level of the beginning of the century. The development lasted about 10 years, everyone was paid bonuses and salaries, and this "Georgian miracle" cost 700 million rubles. But the project manager had an apartment of 9 rooms with a huge pool on the 2nd floor, no one would have known about it, the case was closed, the culprits were not found, but the floors could not stand and the pool fell to the first floor. And MSLV (sea bilge collector) became SLV (harbor collector). This is how it still works.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 3 July 2020 09: 22 New
        +5
        there was such a truck "Kolkhida" assembled in Georgia, it was called in Magadan - the pride of Georgia, the tears of Russia
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 4 July 2020 02: 36 New
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        became SLV

        At the Kholmsky Shipyard, SLVs were built on their own, without research institutes, even 900 million, and ordinary Soviet corpses and welders .... For a long time this SLV ran around the port until everything was covered with a copper basin!
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 4 July 2020 11: 24 New
          0
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          At the Kholmsky Shipyard, SLVs were built on their own, without a research institute, and 900 million, and ordinary Soviet corps and welders.

          MSLV was also built in Khabarovsk (and maybe in Kholmsk). I know my brother, he drove "Makoma" from the Far East. MTP building, and the cleaning system is developed by the Georgian research institute. The price of this "product" was higher than the BMRT, only the additional equipment was worth 3 million rubles, which was handed over to the warehouse, where it rotted. They managed to release about 6 pieces. Several years ago "Makoma" ran in the port of St. Petersburg, although it was renamed.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 4 July 2020 13: 01 New
            0
            Nope, it was a small garbage collector, about 6 meters long .... But there was no way to get it - the bottles collected in the bucket were handed over nearby - through the fence, and to the shop!
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 4 July 2020 13: 23 New
              +1
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              Nope, it was a small garbage collector, about 6 meters long .... But there was no way to get it - the bottles collected in the bucket were handed over nearby - through the fence, and to the shop!

              I realized that this is a garbage collector, so they still collect bottles and garbage in the water area and will live for a long time.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 July 2020 07: 13 New
    +8
    The mountain tractor, in a word, I remember the expressive comments of the drivers who were "lucky" to work on it.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 3 July 2020 08: 20 New
    -2
    Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
    For what cars Colchis did, the driver’s dream))
    In 1995-1996, the American concern General Motors planned to buy KAZ to organize the production of its own car models and their export to Russia. But due to high taxes in Georgia and according to IMF recommendations, GM refused to implement this project. The dream flew away with Georgia somewhere far, far ...... sorry it was good wine.
  • Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 3 July 2020 23: 43 New
    +1
    laughing
    Uncle in his youth worked in SovAtroTrans, so they were transferred to Kolkhida (KAZ) tractor as a punishment.
    Agricultural vehicles were sent to state farms in the 80s, not a single one was left in the 90s ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 3 July 2020 07: 04 New
    10
    Their choice, let them boil in their own ... what they have there.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 3 July 2020 08: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      Their choice, let them boil in their own ... b.
      the sauce! lol laughing wassat
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 July 2020 09: 13 New
        +2
        It’s a pity the kitchen, there is a lot of delicious there, this cannot be taken from them.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 3 July 2020 09: 20 New
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          It’s a pity the kitchen, there is a lot of delicious there, this cannot be taken from them.

          it’s not their merit, it’s the climate, tea is growing there! smile
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 3 July 2020 09: 27 New
            +6
            there is tea growing!
            "But I don't need to go there!" (C)
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 3 July 2020 09: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          It’s a pity the kitchen, there is a lot of delicious there, this cannot be taken from them.

          Victor, what didn’t I understand? laughing We have Georgian restaurants and bakeries good Yes, we cook something at home
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 3 July 2020 09: 56 New
            +1
            This is nostalgia. We were raised so that people are still brothers, and life has proved that in most situations it was ....
            there were always black sheep / rams, but there were fewer than normal people. the country was such, they lived in good and friendship.
        3. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 3 July 2020 09: 32 New
          +2
          Why feel sorry for her? She didn’t disappear anywhere.
        4. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 3 July 2020 16: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          It’s a pity the kitchen, there is a lot of delicious there, this cannot be taken from them.

          Yes, theirs kitchen now we can not afford, survive, or cook it ourselves.
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 3 July 2020 09: 19 New
      +2
      what do they have there.
      Tkemali.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 July 2020 09: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        what do they have there.
        Tkemali.

        And not only .... this is just the same pity.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 3 July 2020 16: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        Tkemali.

        Well, barbecue, satsivi and tkemali I do myself and no worse. But their seasonings are not enough, I also found a way out.
      3. Korsar4
        Korsar4 3 July 2020 17: 56 New
        +1
        “And carelessly I poured“ tkemali ”sauce on mutton” (c).
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 3 July 2020 19: 34 New
          +2
          "And the summer was snub-nosed,
          And the hair smelled of apricot
          And we looked at the "sherry" askance,
          But they never saw the bottom "(C)
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 3 July 2020 20: 38 New
            +2
            “They came for the feast of wine and chachi” (c).
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 3 July 2020 20: 54 New
              +2
              "Give them the money for which you loved,
              Let the money mourn for the same money "(C)
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 3 July 2020 21: 14 New
                +1
                “Let the price mourn for the same?” (from).

                “And you will be firm in luck and in misfortune,
                Which in essence the price is one "(c).
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 3 July 2020 21: 35 New
                  +2
                  "No, I don't cry and I don't cry,
                  I openly answer all questions,
                  That our life is a game, and who is to blame
                  That I was carried away by this game! " (FROM)
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 3 July 2020 22: 00 New
                    0
                    “Three brothers were us in one family,
                    And each walked on his own road ”(c).
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 July 2020 07: 11 New
    13
    This black ingratitude still comes back to him for centuries. How the Russians saved them from the Turks, how they developed various industries, what their standard of living was during the Soviet era, they all forgot it, well, nothing, but we all remember.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 3 July 2020 07: 13 New
      +6
      Remember, remember ... yes tf-y on them, those who themselves asked for it.
      Do the right thing for the benefit of our people, the country .... soldier
    2. Freeman
      Freeman 3 July 2020 08: 15 New
      +5
      Quote: Ros 56
      How Russians saved them from the Turks

      Together with the Turks, there also the Persians "frolicked not weakly."
    3. garri-lin
      garri-lin 3 July 2020 10: 18 New
      +3
      Now think differently? There are places in the same Batumi where the Turks conduct business. Local do not go there. The Turk came into the cafe. All the locals paid bills in 20 seconds and resolved like cockroaches under the benches. The Turks already feel themselves masters there.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 3 July 2020 07: 29 New
    +7
    Yet since the Stalin era the level of total cost per capita consumption of goods and services was four to five times higher than production. Four to five times! This could not afford any republic. In the RSFSR, for example, consumption did not reach the level of production by 30%. Georgia was the richest republic, while its viability completely depended on the resources of the RSFSR.

    The Georgian leaders of the USSR ripped off Russia as sticky in favor of their small homeland, having arranged a paradise on earth there (compared to Russia and at the expense of Russia), at the same time taking away RUSSIAN lands and cutting them down with their own Georgia.

    В four to five times Georgians lived better than Russians then!
    And how did the Georgian guides justify this? But in no way is it a matter of course that Georgians should live better.

    Russia these near the STO percentand 8% of private owners left their own, let alone compare Slave pennies and hungerwhich they fed Russian peasants with luxurious rates for the labor of Georgian collective farmers, generally not.

    Was there really a famine in Georgia, periodically shaking the RSFSR? Nope, they fed their well!
    The approximate estimates of the free financial injections into the Georgian SSR for the entire period of the "occupation" are approaching half a trillion dollars.
    Salaries, pensions, scholarships and various benefits were on average 20% higher than in the RSFSR, and prices were 15-20% lower.

    from such is the "equality" of the Georgian and ... Russian workers.

    AND THIS has been happening since the FIRST days of the so-called. "people's" power and not only in relation to Georgia, but also in relation to all nationals, especially the Baltic states, Moldova, Ukraine, due to the shameless plunder of the Russians

    But to the local communists, it’s all like water off a duck — for them, these savages, poised by their idols, are NORMAL anyway! fool
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 3 July 2020 08: 12 New
      14
      Quote: Olgovich
      The Georgian leaders of the USSR ripped off Russia as sticky in favor of their small homeland, having arranged a paradise on earth there (in comparison with Russia and at the expense of Russia),

      1. Igoresha
        Igoresha 4 July 2020 07: 58 New
        0
        judging by the flags, the plate was made by an unwise person and there is no faith in it
        1. dali
          dali 8 July 2020 23: 05 New
          0
          Quote: Igoresha
          judging by the flags, the plate was made by an unwise person and there is no faith in it

          And if you still ask, you can find:

          USSR and countries of the world in numbers.
          http://su90.ru/su465.pdf

          The share of the RSFSR in the agricultural products of the USSR: 46,7%
          The share of the Georgian SSR in agricultural production: 1,3%

          The share of the RSFSR in the industrial production of the USSR: 59,1%
          The share of the Georgian SSR in industrial production: 1,3%

          The share of GDP of the RSFSR in the USSR per capita 17,5 (thousand dollars); consumption 11,8 (thousand dollars)
          The share of GDP of the Georgian SSR in the USSR per capita is 10,6 (thousand dollars); consumption 41,9 (thousand dollars)

          Well, with the flags of the people. wrong ... of course not good, but the essence does not change !!!
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 3 July 2020 08: 48 New
      0
      Olgovich! I am you +, this time, but how does the past policy of the USSR relate to
      ..... by the local Communists. and ....
      ? For example, my grandmother, a party worker, said that many Communists knew this, there was discontent, but they spoke about this in a whisper. Although, of course, the real sizes of the funds for these shop windows --- were unknown to them.
      Also, even this ---- developed all the folk art of those republics, it was sold cheaply, there was its advertising, promotion, as well as their folk authors, writers, poets ....... where now? Who is in demand? By anyone.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 3 July 2020 10: 05 New
        +9
        Quote: Reptiloid
        I am you +, this time, but how does the past policy of the USSR correlate with .. dumb communists.
        ?

        Dmitry, hi

        Today they approve of WHAT was happening then. And it was the shameless, arrogant deprivation of the Russian peasants and workers earned hard earned by them in favor of those who did not at all earn that standard of living in sight, but which the country's leaders provided for them.

        Recall next to the birthplace of Gagarin in 1965 in the Smolensk region there is NO electricity, no radio, no TV, no gas, etc. no: there are NO traces of civilization and there is no difference from the 17th century, as witnessed himself. Although I’m lying: there were already kerosene and ....newspaper "Zarya" lol , Yes...

        And compare this .... Georgia of the same time. With Moldova, etc.

        about the communists you mentioned: Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR Rykov opposed such a robbery-and destroyed.

        Remember the Leningrad affair is the same.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 3 July 2020 10: 49 New
          +1
          Yes, I remember how you wrote that you came to visit, and there is complete devastation.
          It should be added that we had similar places in the Leningrad region. And not far from Moscow, too, relatives had hardships in the 60s
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 3 July 2020 11: 33 New
            +2
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Yes, I remember how you wrote that you came to visit, and there is complete devastation.


            not devastation, but terrifying POVERTY compared with the Moldovan-Ukraine.

            neat, tidy. carefully bleached and embellished, but poverty -with roofs of a hut from .... tesa and straw, with a tyne of dozens of aspen, with patches on boots and clothes, with wooden bolt on doors, etc., etc.

            At the same time people worked from 5.00 and until late and so is life.

            Shock-that is the main feeling that happened when you got into the ordinary Smolensk village of Gzhatsky (future GAGARINSKY) district from other well-blessed republics.

            in our Leningrad region were similar places. And not far from Moscow, too, relatives had hardships in the 60s

            But in Georgia, there weren’t such places!
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 3 July 2020 13: 03 New
              0
              Now it is gradually getting better in our region when they began to pick up transit at our ports. Although I was not everywhere, of course. Previously, there was not enough work there, and it was expensive and long to drive to the city from some parts of the region to us .....
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 3 July 2020 16: 48 New
          +5
          Quote: Olgovich
          Let me remind you that near the homeland of GAGARIN in 1965, in the Smolensk region, there is NO electricity, NO radio, TV, NO gas, NO gas, and so on: there is NO trace of civilization and a difference from the 17th century, to which the witness himself. Although, I'm lying: there have already been kerosene stoves and .... the newspaper "Zarya"

          Smolensk region Dukhovshchinsky district, only in 1962, when we arrived there, they began to conduct electricity from the Dorogobuzh GREST at the same time they installed radio points. Gasification (cylinders) began in the mid-70s. TV one program from the Yartsevsky repeater, or from the Kalinin region. The regional newspaper was "Rabochiy Put. All this was done around the Olympics, but not in all villages, but where the village council, school, collective farm board are. But by that time 70% had gone into oblivion, they simply are not there. And now you are going." and there are no villages, in their place there is an empty space, but Ivan-tea blooms, rarely where 1-2 huts stand. Especially when you go from the Kalinin region to Ozerny, there are only signs of some villages. As in the song "Burning Smolensk and burning Rostov, burning Russian huts. "Forgive the Smolensk region.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 3 July 2020 20: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            As in the song "Burning Smolensk and Burning Rostov, Burning Russian Huts". Sorry Smolensk

            A war went through it with a terrible rink, and then it was kept on a starvation diet for decades ....

            So people, especially youth, from these deprived medieval villages RANGE with all their might from poverty, hard, unpaid normal labor, groomed and hopelessness

            in my village, where more than a hundred people lived in the 1960s, on the banks of a beautiful river surrounded by pine forests and silver birch pegs, there are NO more people.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 3 July 2020 21: 04 New
              +4
              Quote: Olgovich
              in my village, where more than a hundred people lived in the 1960s, on the banks of a beautiful river surrounded by pine forests and silver birch pegs, there are NO more people.

              Where I lived was the same, the river Khmost, a tributary of Zagusinje (Krasnoselye), 12 km from the city of Dukhovshchina
              The estate was founded by J.F. Povalo-Shveikovsky in 1753 sold to the gentry G.A. Glinka (1699-1783), in the second half of the century belonged to his son, second-major I.G. Glinka (1715/21 - until 1785) with his wife N.G. Glinka (1731 - after 1785, nee. Lebedeva), then - to their son, Lieutenant A.I. Glinka and until 1818 to his son, writer, state adviser G.A. Glinka (1776-1818); further until 1871 - the widow of the last Yu.K. Glinke (née. Küchelbecker, sister of the Decembrist V.K. Küchelbecker); then the attorney V.L. Glinka (1869 - not earlier than 1918).
              The abandoned Assumption Church of 1785 in late Baroque forms, built by order of N.G. Glinka instead of the old wooden. Near the church there is a tombstone to Lieutenant V.A. Glinka (1840 - after 1906) and the tombstone of A.I. Glinka (1750 - after 1810) with his wife N.A. Glinka (nee. Rachinsky). 7 km. family estate of Potemkin Prince of Tauride.

              There is a school building built in 1891 in the village. My father was the school principal in it, I studied in the Dukhovshchina, since we just made a 7 year old from our high school.
              Now both the church and the school are ruins. Now there are about 20 old people, and in 1962 more than 120.

              Since 1753, the village lived, despite the wars that passed through it, and the Patriotic War of 1812, and the Patriotic War of 1941, rose from the ruins, but lived, and now almost died, as the neighboring Shipurevo, Krasigovo, Somovo, Shatikhino, Klimovo died , Fedyaevo and Potemkin Chizhevo.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 4 July 2020 06: 24 New
                +2
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Since 1753, the village lived, despite the wars that passed through it, and the Patriotic War of 1812, and the Patriotic War of 1941, rose from the ruins, but lived, and now almost died, as the neighboring Shipurevo, Krasigovo, Somovo, Shatikhino, Klimovo died , Fedyaevo and Potemkin Chizhevo.

                The last youth left the villages in the early 80s.

                Since then only old people lived there, villages died and arable land overgrown.

                And just 60 years before that, they fought for the land, which, after this short period of time, turned out to be NO one needs ...
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 4 July 2020 11: 27 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  And just 60 years before that, they fought for the land, which, after this short period of time, turned out to be NO one needs ...

                  That's right, all the land there is in shards of war. And in the huts under the images of photos of the ancestors of the dead for this land. It's a shame, I already want to howl.
    3. Doctor
      Doctor 3 July 2020 11: 14 New
      +4
      But to the local communists, it’s all just like water off a duck — for them, these savages, poised by their idols, are still NORMAL! fool

      They won’t understand in any way that a comrade with the surname Dzhugashvili WILL NOT cheer for the Russian people.
      Trusting people very much believe what they say, not what they do.
      Everyone recalls what a good toast he said at the celebration of Victory.

      But honest Georgians themselves say:
      "If a Georgian calls you a friend, then he is preparing to ... deceive, and if he calls you a brother, then he has already deceived."
    4. Ros 56
      Ros 56 3 July 2020 15: 05 New
      0
      So it’s time to tear three skins from the newcomers and put them in their place. Stop mocking the Russians.
  • apro
    apro 3 July 2020 08: 39 New
    -5
    The article is somewhat provocative ... it turns out Georgia dominated Russia? Imposed its own rules? Or did the Communists specially eat Russian for the benefit of the Georgians?
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 3 July 2020 08: 58 New
      12
      So it was. Communists at the expense of the Russians fed the Baltic states and Transcaucasia. And that was not right. For all are equal and must make an equal contribution to the cause. It was the ripped-off RSFSR in favor of the Union republics that led to the fact that the Russians themselves no longer wanted to support the USSR.
      Consequently, the communists who so improperly built the state system of the USSR are the enemies of Russia and the enemies of the Russian people.
      1. apro
        apro 3 July 2020 09: 01 New
        0
        Alexander is plus from me ....
        Quote: Aleksandr1971
        the Russians themselves no longer wanted to support the USSR.

        The answer to the question of the destruction of the USSR is closed.
      2. Doctor
        Doctor 3 July 2020 11: 21 New
        +3
        So it was. Communists at the expense of the Russians fed the Baltic states and Transcaucasia. And that was not right. For all are equal and must make an equal contribution to the cause. It was the ripped-off RSFSR in favor of the Union republics that led to the fact that the Russians themselves no longer wanted to support the USSR.
        Consequently, the communists who so improperly built the state system of the USSR are the enemies of Russia and the enemies of the Russian people.

        From the first days it started. The civil war is in full swing, hunger and devastation are everywhere, and the confiscated valuables are twisted in suitcases for the cordon. And not only to the Baltic states and Transcaucasia, but to Germany and China.
        All for the World Revolution !!
        And so to the very end, Gorbachev signed the last tranches before leaving for Foros.
        And all due to the ridge of the Russian People.
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 3 July 2020 15: 08 New
      -1
      Firstly, the word Russia is capitalized, and secondly, it did not dominate us, for this they have a thin gut, and used our natural kindness. Even Stalin did not give them such an opportunity, but ours later gave us relaxation.
      1. apro
        apro 3 July 2020 23: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: Ros 56
        and enjoyed our natural kindness.

        For more details, you can .. what does this mean? And are the Russians good today?
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 4 July 2020 05: 33 New
          -1
          This was expressed in the level of supply and consumption, if you're talking about the Soviet era. The tribalt and the Georgians had the highest level, they always produced much less than they consumed, I saw it all with my own eyes. And in modern times, even if you take all the immigrants of their former republics, they were so eager for independence that they won’t leave Russia in any way, but everyone just roams here. Hence the question, so what about independence? And from Russia as leeches.
          1. apro
            apro 4 July 2020 06: 19 New
            -1
            Don’t mess with Russian Soviet time. As I understand it, natural Russian kindness is all for someone. And about yourself in the last turn? So? And why so?
  • Igor Pa
    Igor Pa 3 July 2020 08: 40 New
    +6
    Was last year in Georgia. Impressions are mostly positive due to low prices. Poti was nearby. From childhood I heard about this deep-sea port. I went and looked, only the ruins of former greatness are visible. Ghost town. Batumi flourished, became more modern, everything for tourists. Russofobov did not meet. Everyone as willingly spoke Russian. They love Saakashvili, but they say that he is to blame, he trusted the wrong people. His type was framed. Something like this.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 3 July 2020 09: 01 New
      +4
      I also was in Georgia a couple of years ago. It's nice, inexpensive. I agree with everything you said. Especially nice south of Batumi in Kvariati. There it is not so vain, and closer to nature.

      But Saakashvili is not that trustful and naive, but, on the contrary, translated the policy of Georgia into a conscious anti-Russian direction. And this is sad. Now making Georgia pro-Russian (after an armed conflict) is very difficult, although possible.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 3 July 2020 08: 40 New
    +6
    A couple of jokes. Talk with a Georgian accent.
    Soviet times:
    Riddle: Chit is so green, with Lenin, rustling, and ne dengi?
    What?
    50 rubles.
    Why not money?
    We have 50 rubles - ne dengi, so, a trifle.
    Those who forgot or did not live in the USSR, the engineer then received 110 rubles. per month. And there were pensions of 40 rubles.

    90 years.
    Two Georgians went to a restaurant in Moscow, drank well, had a snack.
    Wah Givi, what colony we lost!
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 3 July 2020 08: 46 New
      -2
      Quote: Nagan
      Two Georgians went to a restaurant in Moscow, drank well, had a snack.

      Personally, I was glad when in the year about 87 from the Georgian open Opel, the guys on bikes stole the tape recorder, and this watermelon "Givi" was shouting something, flapping its wings like a windmill.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 3 July 2020 08: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: Nagan
      A couple of jokes.

      Another
      Georgians were offended by this poem
      "The battle did not last long:
      Timid Georgians were running! ... "
      By a decision of the Central Committee
      "The battle did not last long:
      Ran Brave Georgians! ... "
    3. fuxila
      fuxila 3 July 2020 15: 05 New
      +1
      Here is another joke from Soviet times.
      The Georgians got on the plane and put the suitcase in the aisle. The stewardesses said to him: "Citizen, put your suitcase away." And he answered: "This is not a suitcase, this is my wallet."
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 3 July 2020 17: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: Nagan
      A couple of jokes. Talk with a Georgian accent.

      Waitress for a Georgian "Citizen, remove the suitcase from the table" Georgians "For you a suitcase, and for myna there is a lot of money."
  • deddem
    deddem 3 July 2020 08: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: Courier
    Since the Stalin era, the Georgian SSR has been in a privileged position. This was largely explained by the special attitude of the “father of peoples” to his small homeland.


    False. Comrade Stalin could not allow such a thing. The proletarians of all socialist republics were equal, the Georgian even more equal than the rest.
    As you know, Joseph Vissarionitch was not mistaken, and he acted correctly with Georgia, the investments paid off, we still drink Georgian wine and Borjomi.


    Yes, a lie, because _all_ Transcaucasian republics lived curly. After Baku in 1986, Moscow's shops looked a bit poor, but I don’t even speak about the Tbilisi record company with its bootleg.

    Personally, I perceive this as a standard cost of keeping "warm" of border (threatened) territories.

    In the same way, the Brest region was more interesting than the Gomel region, and in Lutsk (not to mention Transcarpathia) it was much more relaxed than in Kiev or Mariupol there.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 3 July 2020 09: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: deddem
      Personally, I perceive this as the standard cost of keeping "warm" border (endangered) territories.

      1.And what could happen (but never happened)?

      2. Tell us about the same "warming" of the Murmansk region, Karelia, Priamurye, Jewish Autonomous Region, etc. (the northern rates were not given for the border area of ​​the territory, I say right away).
      Quote: deddem
      in Lutsk (not to mention Transcarpathia) it was much more relaxed than in Kiev or Mariupol there.

      В border Odessa region, what was much more free?

      And yes, Georgia was "insulated" FIVE times more than Russia. Why did the "honest", "open", such bashful communists hesitate to talk about this "necessity"?
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 3 July 2020 08: 49 New
    +7
    I add that when Georgia was annexed to Russia in 1798, the population of Georgia after the Iranian genocide was only 40 thousand people. A little more, and the Georgians would have died (and figs with them). But Russia saved them from genocide, and after almost 100 years by 1900 there were already 1 million Georgians. - a fantastic increase of 25 times for only one century! I can’t name any other nation that would demonstrate such an unscrupulous ability to reproduce!

    The USSR not only did not worsen the situation of Georgians, but gave them the opportunity to multiply, although not so intensively, but much better than all others on Earth - by 1991, there were already 5,5 million people in Georgia. And please tell me how many times over the 20th century there were more Russians? Only 2 times.

    Now there are less than 3,5 million people left in Georgia. (not officially, but estimated). That is, the sovereign power led to a XNUMX-fold loss of population by creating a "good life" in the country.

    I will express the opinion that the loss of Georgia’s territory by Russia in 1991 is not so bad in view of the fact that Georgia does not benefit much, but Georgians have outstanding abilities for banditry and organized crime, in the absence of a penchant for productive activities. At all enterprises of the heavy industry of Georgia, including the famous aircraft manufacturing in Tbilisi, not Georgians worked, but Slavs.

    But Georgia should be turned into a state vassal to Russia so that US missiles directed against Russia do not stick out from Georgia.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 4 July 2020 09: 04 New
      +1
      As soon as Russia occupied a country like Georgia, like a non-Baltic, it was so terrible and scary wassat that out of fear, the population began to multiply intensely !!!!! lol laughing
      And as soon as the invaders leave, the oppressed immediately think ---- why try to spite the invaders? This is not necessary. Here the population is decreasing .....
      It used to be said that there were about 2 million Georgians in the Russian Federation and in our city they were noticeable not only in the markets. Then, about 10 years ago, some measures were taken and they became much smaller.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 3 July 2020 09: 17 New
    +2
    I will no longer buy Georgian wines
  • nemez
    nemez 3 July 2020 09: 38 New
    +1
    I have no regrets that Georgia has left. Go back, but under worse conditions. Or disappear, they have no other options. Twice in the history of our countries they left and returned. This is the third.
  • Pavel Amarok
    Pavel Amarok 3 July 2020 09: 52 New
    +3
    The poor have occupied them. "Oh Pug, know she is strong, if she barks at an elephant" (p.)
    What did Goebbels say about a generation that does not know its history, you can take it with your bare hands ?! They'll come soon. "Russian occupiers" will be remembered with tears.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 3 July 2020 10: 27 New
      +3
      They will not recall with tears because the information policy there is anti-Russian. When I spoke in Georgia to the owner of the apartment where I lived, that under Russia over 2 centuries there were 120 times more Georgians and 25 times less under independent power over 1,5 years, the owner did not believe (most likely did not want to).

      I was in Afghanistan. Museums of occupation were built there with American money, where they talk about how bad it was in Afghanistan during the presence of the USSR. And the fact that the Americans did not build anything other than museums, no dams, no housing, no social facilities, the Afghan press does not say anything.

      Despite the fact that Georgia, like Afghanistan, is degrading, they explain to their people that life under American influence is progress.

      That is, Georgians and others like them will be able to understand that Russia only benefited them if they changed their political regime and, accordingly, information policy. But the political regime in Georgia must be gradually changed. To arrange a coup there. And not only in Georgia.
      1. Pavel Amarok
        Pavel Amarok 3 July 2020 11: 51 New
        +2
        Alexander, your opinion is interesting, BUT: why the hell do we need to arrange order there if we don’t have it yet? They were already fired, in the same Soviet period. Expansion will wait :)
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        2. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 3 July 2020 12: 08 New
          +3
          We don’t have to put things in order there. Attach is also not necessary.
          It is necessary to make the country pro-Russian by replacing the Georgian political elite. Georgian subsidies, as it was during the USSR, are also harmful and not needed.
          How to replace the elite? Intrigue, bribery, violence. So did the United States in Central America. Armed invasion is also possible, but such a regime would be less stable. To maintain the pro-Russian regime, squadrons similar to what the US kept in Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras are needed. Why are we worse? Or what is permitted to Jupiter, the bull is not allowed?

          Under the pro-Russian regime in Georgia, there will be a guarantee that NATO troops will not be there and that during the war with NATO, missiles will not fly from Georgia to Russia. In Georgia, it would be nice to place a horizontal radar station on the southern slope of the Caucasus in order to observe the situation in the air right up to Yemen. Indeed, in Bahrain the US fleet, and on Diego Garcia island, is the B-52 air base (I wonder who it is against?).

          And we do not need any other order in Georgia.
          1. Pavel Amarok
            Pavel Amarok 3 July 2020 12: 15 New
            +1
            In any case, Alexander, it is unlikely that any measures will be taken. To outbid the elite is not an option, NATO has more money. An armed invasion is fraught. Our compatriots will die for nothing, in fact. A stench will begin in the entire "progressive part of mankind", they say, the Russians staged aggression on innocent Georgia and so on, everything would be fine, but here they will be right.
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            2. Aleksandr1971
              Aleksandr1971 3 July 2020 13: 33 New
              -1
              NATO has more money, but their system is more transparent, and therefore this big money is more difficult to spend.

              But once in the West there was a completely non-transparent system of distributing money for foreign policy operations. Britain stood out especially in South and Southeast Asia. Also, relatively recently, the United States precisely in this way, through coups and violence, formed political regimes in Central America. Especially in Guatemala.

              We must take an example from them. And about the stench, so it will be due to the fact of the existence of Russia. Do something - you will be guilty. If you do not do it, you are also guilty. The only thing they will approve of is committing suicide. So we'll pay them the same. And we will ignore the stench, as well as the stench of the USSR about US actions in Latin America. After all, Transcaucasia is our underbelly. And once it was our land at all. If you listen to "their" stench, then we will retreat to the limits of the Moscow principality. Let "they" retreat themselves.

              It is necessary to form pro-Russian political groups and parties in Georgia and not only in it, provide them with information support, misinformation and political bankruptcy of competing groups, it is possible to organize car crashes and abductions in the ranks of opponents, seize seats in parliaments and in the leadership of the regions, undermine sources of funding for opponents, to encourage the spread of a positive image of Russia; to encourage the education of children of the local elite in Russia. These costs should pay off by signing large commercial contracts, which will be concluded by a new friendly regime with commercial structures in Russia. So, for example, when the United States overthrew the Mosaddek government in Iran, it concluded contracts with the shah for the extraction of Iranian oil. There is no oil in Georgia, so rates in Georgia will be cheaper.

              The change of regime should be carried out comprehensively as a military operation to capture Berlin without the right to defeat. So Britain in the late 40s. kept Greece in its orbit, so the USA kept Italy in the 50s, and Portugal in the 70s. These were victories over the USSR without exposing weapons. So, without revealing NATO’s weapons, it defeated the USSR and took away the best 30% of the territory and 50% of the economy — this is the best kind of victory. And Russia also needs to win without weapons.
              1. Pavel Amarok
                Pavel Amarok 3 July 2020 13: 41 New
                0
                Nevertheless, I believe that before expansion, order should be put in place.
                1. Aleksandr1971
                  Aleksandr1971 3 July 2020 14: 13 New
                  0
                  Something never do anything forever and ever.

                  This is the same as striving for excellence. After all, everyone has their own understanding of what order is. And in the USA, too, there is no order in Europe. Although there is more order than in Russia.

                  And you won’t bring order at home, as long as there are those bad people behind the hill who are in a mess in your house in the form of attempts to tear off territory (30% have already been rejected), destroy industry, steal scientific and military secrets, and put traitors at the head of the country.

                  In relation to ourselves and those around us, we should not strive for order as an end in itself. We must strive to improve our safety and material well-being. Including at the expense of enemies, including defending against enemies, including attacking and eliminating enemies, including protecting friends.

                  As the saying goes, "if I'm not for myself, then who is for me?" Who is for Russia, except for Russia itself and its people?
  • BAI
    BAI 3 July 2020 10: 01 New
    +1
    Electric locomotives VL (Vladimir Lenin) of the Tbilisi plant still run on Russian Railways. And "Colchis" disappeared instantly.
    And on the account of Armenia, the following methodology was used to repair equipment on the 155 series: a fee is taken, without any diagnostics, the chips of the Yerevan Radio Plant are removed and replaced with MS of other factories. And everything works.
    On the one hand, it’s good that they got rid of parasites. On the other hand, NATO and the US are at the very borders.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 3 July 2020 10: 37 New
      0
      It was necessary to get rid of parasites without loss of territory. Otherwise, it turns out that valiant people shed blood, conquered the land, and the descendants of the earth shamelessly about ..... whether.

      For the correct disposal of parasites, there had to be a different national policy. The creation of union republics had to be taken as a temporary step. And without material privileges. And then to abolish the republics, and to relocate the nation where Makar did not drive the calves, and not compactly, like the Chechens or Crimean Tatars, but individually and throughout the country to eradicate national gangs. Let a German marry a Yakut, and a Russian an Uzbek, an Uzbek Estonian, and a Yakut Jew, etc.

      After a couple of generations, in conditions where it is impossible to find a wife or husband of one's own nationality, one would have to marry or marry those who are simply physically closer. Then every person of the nation "the seventh water on jelly" would not have the moral right to be called someone other than the "Soviet (or better Russian) people."
    2. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 3 July 2020 11: 53 New
      +1
      You are sorry but the VL8 is fully supplied with car kits from Novocherkassk. There were rafts of bodies on carts and with them covered wagons with a full set of internal equipment. At the Tbilisi plant, it’s all just collected to the heap. But with the railway jokes are bad and the control of the assembly was apparently at the proper level. Unlike Kutaisi collecting Colchis.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 3 July 2020 10: 28 New
    +1
    Stalin and Beria screwed the Georgians in full. Not for nothing, after their death, they fluffed their tails. By personal order of Stalin, they began to grow tea, lemons, tangerines. "and chuchihella" laughing . I remember the machine-tool factory from industry. KAZ, ErAZ, well, they write about electric locomotives, I don’t take the military commissar. And there was also a Georgia film, something like the Chukchafilm was only worse. Still, arid regions are needed for grapes, but in Georgia it’s a flood, then a flood. I'm not afraid of the wolf and the lynx, I'm afraid of the car from Kutaisi. This is about KAZ-Colchis. The stupid design, plus the disgusting assembly, gave a fantastic result. Zil-130 engine, which was often changed to the old one, well, of course, in a friendly manner, that is, the kaz could leave the factory with a dead engine. Zil 160 rear axle, with narrow pads, as a result, a coward came up with the brakes. The cabin is homemade, it seems it is homemade. If hit in the hole could and windshields fall out. When opening the doors, there could be an option that you would probably complete with the door, or you would be nailed by this door. The driver in the kaz should have three hands, you steer one, switch one gear, wipe the third tear. Although there were masochists who liked. Maybe, but you need to invest a lot of work. ErAZik, oh well, what for. Thieves, so the local thieves and sold them. For now in Georgia for recognizing that you are a thief for 10 years without a bazaar. And imprisonment only in the pose of one of the inhabitants of the river bottom. And not a folding like a hoe. At the word Georgia, a hiccup at a thief begins. About the fact that companies could leave money for themselves, this was not anywhere else. And about the currency say it request . these are currency frauds, it was forbidden !. Resorts, well, they were built everywhere and not for Georgians at all. Judging by the article of shop windows, we had a lot, Georgia, the Baltic states. Azerbaijan is also a showcase, Iran is nearby .. Central Asia is also a showcase so that Afghans and Pakistanis can watch and cry. One Russia refrigeration unit.
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 3 July 2020 12: 41 New
      0
      About YerAZ got excited. Forgive this miracle from Yerevan.
  • Licanat
    Licanat 3 July 2020 11: 12 New
    0
    Many were engaged in small businesses at home: repairing radio and TV, shoemaking and sewing, tutoring, ... Hence the "extra" money.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 3 July 2020 12: 21 New
      +1
      This is the service sector, that is, it is associated with the redistribution of money already existing in society, created in material production. This money in Georgia turned out in the form of state subsidies. And if there was no money in Georgia, then there would be nothing to redistribute.

      Well, the fact that in Russia of the USSR period private services were not developed is certainly a national flaw, reinforced by the Communists and their ideology that private earnings are bad, this is exploitation, and that this is unearned income.
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 3 July 2020 13: 29 New
        -1
        There was a service sector, there was no need to tell tales, Everyday life, tailoring ateliers, television companies, watch workshops. Furniture ateliers met even. Leftist not without this. but OBKhS watched it. About the theft, I don’t even know what to say. In short, evaluate for yourself, someone on the collective farm field raised 20 tons of onions. Next to it is a field unaccounted for on it, too, an onion, but unaccounted for. Kamaz arrives, 20 tons of collective farm onions are loaded into it, and until thawed unaccounted for. Documents are in order, and in duplicate, suddenly one is lost, or torn. Nobody will outweigh, there is simply nothing. Upon arrival, 20 tons of onions are handed over to the base, but 19 is written, since 1 ton rotted along the road, all according to the standards. Drove gets a bun from it. Upon leaving the base, all onions are loaded onto small cars, or even at which base or in a private garage, and this is often 10-15 tons, which are traded in the markets. Money drove. He gives them to the owners of the bow, they unfasten the carrier, and the chairman. Therefore, in distant fruits, vegetables, Caucasians, get a new Kamaz, 5 thousand mechanics, he shares with the director of the car depot. The market director had the same thing from this, and shared already with the cops and with thieves. This is a crime, even now, tax evasion. But this is not theft. But then the common people did not consider this a crime. Something like that.
        1. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 3 July 2020 13: 45 New
          0
          You are confused. I spoke about the sphere of private services, and not about the sphere of state services. This is not the same thing. Private services developed a commercial vein and were persecuted by the state, including OBHSS.

          And under the USSR, in Russia private services were developed much worse than in the Caucasus or the Baltic states. And this was wrong, because of this the standard of living and comfort of the population was lower than would be possible.
          1. Free wind
            Free wind 3 July 2020 14: 24 New
            -1
            What am I talking about? Do you think that a private telemaster sat in Georgia at home, repaired televisions, no matter how wrong in the studio, and repaired in the evenings, that’s a private trader. So it is with us, the plan made, how many rubles there are, more precisely a little higher than the plan, and then already into my pocket. So it is with them, so it is with us. Both tailors and shoemakers, and everyone else did. It is necessary to work, otherwise to have a little time. Well, the shoemaker on concrete will not work during the day, and at night he will stitch the boots. He worked in a boot. And do not talk about some sort of private enterprise.
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 3 July 2020 14: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Free Wind
          There was a service sectorUh, there is no need to tell fairy tales, Everyday homes, sewing studios, television studios, watch workshops. Furniture ateliers met even.

          This was the sphere of bullying, not "services", no need to tell a fairy tale.

          And it was also a sphere of fraud, rudeness, indifference, theft, queues and shortages.

          STO-is this word familiar? With spare parts ... 12-25% and with WILD lines and blat?
          -
          And Raikin with his famous: "Are there any claims to the buttons? No, they are sewn on tightly, you can't tear them off!"
          And so forth
          Quote: Free Wind
          Left is not without it

          Sometimes they worked, not without that ..
          1. Free wind
            Free wind 3 July 2020 15: 52 New
            0
            the Raikins family, that dad that son, for a piece of sausage, they will sell their mother. STO somewhere I heard something, I don’t remember exactly, although I was invited to work there. There really were no spare parts, why, I don’t know. There was an article in the magazine BEHIND THE DRIVE, some minister there, why there are no spare parts for sale, the answer, and motorists will put them wrong ???? Do not put the battery ?. The glass was broken, the faucets were jammed, the belt was torn ... at the service station with the guys sometimes and a heap of buzz, I did not see rudeness. I didn’t have a car, I had motorcycles. And jeans-pants were sewn to me in the studio, and he gave things to the dry-cleaner. I did not come across louts. The only thing when in childhood with a bitonik he went for kerosene, his aunt poured it very harmful.
  • gvozdan
    gvozdan 3 July 2020 12: 38 New
    +5
    Now in Chechnya the same showcase is being grown
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 3 July 2020 12: 47 New
      0
      This is not a showcase, and it will never be, it is some kind of crooked mirror.
  • TANKISTONE
    TANKISTONE 3 July 2020 19: 34 New
    +2
    Hello everyone! There is an interesting documentary series "USSR Empire in reverse". Here is a link about the Georgian SSR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DveyLefMYk
  • exalibor
    exalibor 4 July 2020 08: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Quote: Anatole Klim
    Quote: Courier
    we still drink Georgian wine and Borjomi.

    I do not buy Georgian wine and Borjomi, Baltic sprats, Polish apples. Why support the vile Russophobia.

    In their water there is often a lot of sediment, tangerines, oranges so-so .... Polish apples and cabbage are hard, tasteless. ... on the balcony since autumn 2 apples were forgotten ---- and nothing happened to them!

    this is Belarusian nanotechnology))))
  • aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 4 July 2020 12: 22 New
    -1
    What is the most valuable thing for a Georgian? Women's skirt !!! Just a little - "I swear by my mother" !!!
  • svoit
    svoit 4 July 2020 15: 16 New
    +2
    Georgia not only “pumped up” money and goods from the center, but also actively developed its infrastructure.

    And what has actually changed? Everything is the same now, only Turkish and American money have been added. Georgians have become better off, infrastructure is also good, production is growing by leaps and bounds. With politicians, an overabundance is even exported. No need to worry about the Georgians, they live well!
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 4 July 2020 16: 18 New
      0
      On average, they live significantly worse than during the Soviet era. Now beggars appeared there, which was absolutely unrealistic before. Many times in Georgia, the elderly asked me for money. What a shame!

      Officially in Georgia, about 4 million people. In 1991, there were about 5,5 million people. But the census is not conducted for political reasons. In reality, almost everyone in Georgia believes that about 3 million people are left. This is the best indicator that life has become much worse. They don’t run from a good life. Georgians used to have arrogance in relation to other peoples of the USSR. Do not deny it. Now the arrogance has flown. There was a feeling of disappointment and humiliation.
      Georgians migrated to Russia in the 90s, but are now fleeing to Europe.

      Russia has also lost about 1991-5 million people since 6, but if we had a Georgian proportion, the loss would have been 30-40 million people. Of course, you can fool a tourist with updated Batumi and a bunch of Mercedes in the streets. But on average, in Georgia the population has become poorer compared to the times of the USSR.
    2. Evgeny Moskov_2
      Evgeny Moskov_2 5 July 2020 20: 02 New
      0
      Production? Do they now produce anything besides wine? At the post office I saw an electrical switch produced in 1965 "Made in the Georgian SSR". Still working, by the way. And now, as I go to the shops, there is nothing Georgian from the electrics. One wine.
  • serg v zapase
    serg v zapase 4 July 2020 15: 26 New
    +1
    After reading the article, it would be necessary to blaspheme Georgia and its population. However, if the entire population of G was even left without panties, and the share taken away was divided among the citizens of the RFSFR, then no one would have become richer. Do not forget, per capita consumption, and showers in G a little more than 4 million. Second, they scolded Colchis, forgetting that other MAZ-KRAZ-ZAZy were not much cooler. The third country had an all-Russian recreation area there, and even today Russians are happy to come there, you won’t drink the climate. The fourth accession of G to Russia was carried out when it was beneficial to our kings, the salvation of the Georgians was a side effect, now it is a PR, they say our ancestors shed blood for them. For two years in the army we had more than a dozen Georgians, I did not notice a single rich among them. Parcels to them from home are at most a good chacha and nuts in some kind of gravy. Today, the rulers of the former republics organize different museums, is it by chance that Georgians did not bother us with tribaltes?
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 4 July 2020 16: 08 New
      +1
      To blaspheme Georgia is now secondary. And with regard to Georgia, it is useful to turn it from an American vassal into its own. Because to endure an American vassal at one’s side is the same as if the United States would endure a pro-Russian henchman under its side.
      Americans in Central America carried out dozens of coups. And we at our border have the right to do the same.
      1. serg v zapase
        serg v zapase 4 July 2020 18: 04 New
        0
        What can I do for this? Thieves-in-law to drop there, or oligarchs with Georgian surnames. There was "compulsion to peace", this chance was stupidly pissed away. The coup d'etat in favor of Russia is still a fantasy.
        1. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 4 July 2020 18: 08 New
          0
          But Russia is not going to die next week. So the chance should be created again. And the fact that now is fantasy, in a minute can become a reality. The main thing is to cook it. Russia, unlike the United States, Britain and France, unfortunately has really very little experience in arranging bloody messs abroad. We must see our guilt in this and correct ourselves.
          1. serg v zapase
            serg v zapase 4 July 2020 18: 19 New
            +1
            Therefore, I wrote, "while from the region", the Georgians will definitely give such a chance.
    2. viach
      viach 13 September 2020 14: 01 New
      0
      And I was personally a witness in a cafe in Tbilisi, how one Georgian, shaking a decent bundle of chervonets, complained to another Georgian that he did not have enough money for bread! Since then (1980, the year of Vysotsky's death), in my opinion, they fell to scum-leeches on the body of the Soviet Union! I'm sure they are no better now!
  • Evgeny Moskov_2
    Evgeny Moskov_2 5 July 2020 19: 58 New
    +1
    Jokes are not born from scratch. A Georgian father says to his son who is finishing school: “If you finish school with grades, I’ll buy you a black Volga, if you graduate with grades, I’ll buy a white Volga. And if you graduate with grades, you’ll ride a Zhiguli like crazy." We would be so.
  • sav
    sav 8 July 2020 13: 10 New
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    This has happened more than once in our history - "Beads were thrown before the pigs"
  • barin
    barin 9 July 2020 00: 11 New
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    And there was a time, they even protected them.
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 13 July 2020 16: 47 New
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    Quote: fuxila
    Since that time, all Georgian wines, regardless of the label, have become one sort - "Minassali".

    They were ALWAYS of this kind in the USSR. Of course, there were good wines, moreover, produced in different regions, but for the mass consumer ALL products were made only FOR THE MASS because the quality was mostly exported. And nothing about the "products" of the automobile industry of the mountain republics (Kolkhida, Yeraz) without obscene words and there is NOTHING to say.
  • borisrusgr
    borisrusgr 1 August 2020 11: 57 New
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    Georgians are accustomed to the fact that they were carried in the USSR on their hands. Now Georgia, together with Albania and Bosnia, is one of the three ovsky personal belongings in Europe and Asia. Of course, no one will wear them on their hands.
    1. zenion
      zenion 9 August 2020 21: 18 New
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      No one was worn. If it were not for Georgia with its fruits and bay leaves, so until now, instead of laurel, they would have filled cooking with nettles, and instead of tea leaves, they would have brewed a broom.
      1. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 9 August 2020 21: 38 New
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        Quote: zenion
        and instead of a tea leaf, a broom would be brewed.

        A bit wrong. If it were not for the USSR, no one would have known about shitty Georgian tea. Before the revolution, they drank Kyakhta, and under the USSR they preferred Indian.
        Moreover, the point is not even that high-quality tea leaves cannot grow in Georgia. It just can. But Georgians are not able in principle to ensure high-quality collection and observe the drying technology.
  • Badger
    Badger 2 August 2020 17: 38 New
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    History has put everything in its place, the dependent republics in the USSR are now the first rogue and Russophobes. Russia has thrown off this ballast and is now developing, and these are degrading and taking the places of slaves and eternal lackeys.
  • zenion
    zenion 9 August 2020 21: 16 New
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    Damn it! Only now I learned that Georgia is near the Baltic Sea. What will they not come up with in a madhouse to make themselves look very good. For the most part, they do not go with waste, but with chocolate. But a bit like a madhouse. The people there did not like to get their hair cut and the machine was buzzing. We decided to break the machine for the hairdresser. Gathered in a circle and came up with a plan. So one of them will be hammered into the head with a nail, when he will cut, he will reach the nail and the machine will break down. In general, one was persuaded. They put a nail on, only swung a hammer, and that head removed. You are afraid? No, what if you miss and hit on the head instead of a nail. This is how they want to drive a nail into Georgia's head.
  • alex-sherbakov48
    alex-sherbakov48 28 August 2020 16: 12 New
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    And our sales nomenclature is to blame for everything !!! But there is no certainty that even now the nomenclature is not for sale, otherwise they would not have real estate and accounts abroad and their families would not spend all their free time there, and work is not for them !!!
  • Vdi73
    Vdi73 6 September 2020 03: 46 New
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    I noticed such a tendency, those republics that bathed like cheeses in oil under the USSR, became the most Russophobic and "smelly" produced for a kopeck, and ate for a ruble, with the exception of Ukraine there was powerful production, but they also lived better than the same Belarus and the RSFSR fed all this n ... brethren.
  • viach
    viach 13 September 2020 09: 13 New
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    It's a shame - Russia is still quite loyal to Georgia! There are too many Georgians in Russia for permanent residence and are still coming! It would be right for them to close all borders, and even better, in case of any violations of the law by Georgians, to deprive them of Russian citizenship and deport them to their historical homeland.