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“The End of Russian Democracy”: How Western Media Evaluated Voting Results in the Russian Federation

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In Russia, a nationwide vote on amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation ended. The leading world media have already hastened to express their attitude to the results of the referendum.


Many Western mass media reacted negatively to voting in Russia. The general message of most publications in the Western press is understandable: they write that Putin prepared all the conditions for "eternal rule", while not forgetting to refer to the coronavirus pandemic. As we recall, they wrote about coronavirus on the eve of the June 24 parade. Now this is a favorite way of reproaching the Russian authorities with the fact that their activities allegedly endanger the health of citizens. Such a concern and about their internal problems ... But mass riots and thousands of demonstrations - this is not a parade with a vote ...

Even on the eve of the referendum, the Los Angeles Times published an article in which, recalling the victims of the coronavirus, it accuses Putin of manipulating public opinion and the mood of the electorate. At the same time, the author of the article, Leon Aron, who, incidentally, is listed as a specialist in Russia, concludes:

Putin’s mistake lies in his desire to achieve life-long rule and gain approval from citizens. But it can lead to great trouble for both Russia and the whole world.

Andrew Higgins of The New York Times writes that the results of the revisions were predictable, as the Kremlin used all its capabilities: "from show clowns in the precincts to give out lottery tickets." But the main author of the turnout, according to the American author, was the mobilization of state employees, who were obliged to vote almost by force.

The constitutional "referendum" in Russia gave the expected result - President Putin may remain in office until 2036. But a carefully thought-out performance was important for the legitimacy of the Russian president,

Higgins emphasizes.


CNN described the referendum as "a trick of Vladimir Putin," but noted that most Russians supported constitutional amendments, although "there are still little doubts about the results of the vote."

The Australian publication Pursuit draws attention to the possible consequences of the adoption of the amendments. The author of the publication refers to them a further increase in "Russia's aggressiveness in foreign policy." At the same time, the publication did not forget to criticize the situation in Russian politics.

The centralized and personalized constitutional system of Russia, with its special focus on Vladimir Putin, ultimately weakened internal institutions and contributed to the growth of corruption,

- writes the author of the article, Associate Professor William Partlett of the University of Melbourne.

David Black Andersen, author of the Danish edition of DR, publishes in his article the opinions of opposition Russians who see the amendments as "the end of Russian democracy."

Turkish agency Anadolu published on June 30, the day before the vote in Russia, an article by Professor Ilyas Kemaloglu from the Istanbul Art University named after Mimar Sinan. The Turkish historian considered that the amendment on the status of the Russian language infringes on the rights of numerous indigenous peoples of Russia. It is especially funny to hear such reproaches from representatives of Turkey, a country in which there is officially only the Turkish nation and the Turkish language, the rights of 18 million Kurds are ignored, not to mention the Greeks, Armenians or Assyrians. Unlike Russia, Turkey does not have and did not have national autonomies, and any attempts to talk about their creation are harshly suppressed.

Thus, the foreign press rather negatively assessed both the vote itself and its results. However, nothing else was expected from the West with its hypocritical policy of double standards. When the referendum was held in 1993, in the interests of the regime of Boris Yeltsin, he did not meet any negative reactions in the USA or Europe. Then the adoption of the new Constitution was seen as the next step in breaking with the Soviet past, which the West hated the West, and even the demonstrative execution of the Supreme Council of Russia from tanks.
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 2 July 2020 12: 40
    +35
    And, do not send all these Western media in three letters? Enough to live and think with an eye on the rotten, anti-Russian West, they are not a decree to us.
    1. WIKI
      WIKI 2 July 2020 13: 00
      +68
      Quote: Thrifty
      And, do not send all these Western media in three letters?

      Right! Let's better listen to our own: "Great Saltykov-Shchedrin in his work" Cultured People "(Chapter 1) wrote:" I sat at home and, as usual, did not know what to do with myself. I wanted something: not the constitution , or sevryuzhins with horseradish, or to peel off someone. To peel off first, it flashed in my head, to peel off, and to the side ... And then, having proved to be well-intentioned, you can dream of constitutions at your leisure. "

      Oh, dear Mikhail Evgrafovich.
      And you definitely wrote this about the liberal of the 19th century? "
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 2 July 2020 13: 33
        +7
        You from the quote sentence tore. They don’t do that. Or ?
        1. Rostov Papa
          Rostov Papa 2 July 2020 13: 54
          +15
          But who would doubt if we don’t report to the embassy and there is no democracy fellow
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 2 July 2020 15: 08
            -11%
            The very thing that the Western media broadcast and broadcast, the Ukrainian Natsik, our commies, the Echo-Mats - says that the amendments were adopted correctly ... The game is just beginning and apparently, this time according to our rules ...
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 2 July 2020 15: 14
              +25
              Quote: Nasr
              The game is just beginning, and apparently now according to our rules ...

              That’s all, the Constitution, as the last obstacle to a good life, has been adopted .. When do you think progressive and positive changes will come now? I will write down your answer .. so to speak, so that this fall would present it to you and discuss your insight wassat
              1. Alena Frolovna
                Alena Frolovna 2 July 2020 15: 20
                +2
                "From the classics of jokes: how does the democracy of the West differ from the democracy that the West dictates to Russia?

                In the same way as an ordinary chair differs from an electric one! ..

                Amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation cut off electricity from the electric chair, which Russia slipped into Western democracy under the guise of international law.

                According to these laws of international law: the terrorists, the murderers who blew us up in the subway and took us hostage on Dubrovka, in Budennovsk, were considered freedom fighters in the west, heroes, they were called streets in the west, they were given political asylum in the west as victims who are persecuted in Russia for political views, for freedom of speech, for the fight against dictatorship.

                And Russia was dictated by Western courts: how much money should such heroes, such freedom fighters, Russia have to pay - for the fact that its citizens are blown up, killed, taken hostage.

                Yesterday, Russia voted for amendments to the Constitution, for those amendments, which are the achievement of the West, its electric chairs of "international law", with impunity declaring that Russia must by all means "restrain, slow down in development, crush and stifle sanctions"! ..

                Russian community, ideology of hatred of Russia - the ideology of cannibalistic Nazism! - that electric chair from which electricity will be disconnected by voting the whole country for amendments to the Constitution of Russia.

                In this sense, the West can be congratulated and even awarded for outstanding services: it achieved the unity and solidarity of the Russian humanity, voting for these amendments. Now the laws of Russia, its Constitution are above international law, which the West uses as an electric chair for Russia. "

                Yunna Moritz
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 2 July 2020 15: 33
                  +10
                  Now the laws of Russia, its Constitution are above international law, which the West uses as an electric chair for Russia. "

                  Young lady, at least you should study international law .. Anything can be declared .. but in practice, international treaties and obligations must be fulfilled .. You can’t fulfill it if you are a self-sufficient state that is independent either economically or technically .. but Russia is not such .. and therefore, this amendment will not work ..
                  1. Interlocutor
                    Interlocutor 2 July 2020 17: 28
                    +5
                    but Russia is not such .. but because this amendment will not work ..

                    Everything will work. Not always, but will be.
                  2. Olegi1
                    Olegi1 2 July 2020 21: 41
                    +6
                    Of course, it is necessary to carry out if they are concluded. But in this rare case, one should take an example from the "torch" of crap: if you don't want to do it, tear it apart. You can also declare a parterre to a heap in violation. The ABM and INF Treaty are examples of this ....
                  3. Igool
                    Igool 3 July 2020 01: 37
                    +5
                    Quote: Svarog
                    Young lady you at least study international law.

                    So, for your information: the agreement and the obligations assumed by the state, this amendment does not touch. Because, as their observance is mandatory for signatories. This amendment places its paw on universally accepted, but not bilaterally legalized global trends, such as same-sex marriage, propaganda, tolerance, etc. In addition, the state now has the right to reject any claims of any entities whose decisions were made on the basis of world practice (Roman law, I hope you have not forgotten?), Not confirmed by treaties or government obligations.
                  4. Pilat2009
                    Pilat2009 3 July 2020 06: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: Svarog
                    Now the laws of Russia, its Constitution are above international law, which the West uses as an electric chair for Russia. "

                    Young lady, at least you should study international law .. Anything can be declared .. but in practice, international treaties and obligations must be fulfilled .. You can’t fulfill it if you are a self-sufficient state that is independent either economically or technically .. but Russia is not such .. and therefore, this amendment will not work ..

                    It will work in the part of the decisions of the ECHR. Too much he awards money to the victims. The rest of the deal is decided by the arrest of property and assets without undue persuasion
                  5. Voyager
                    Voyager 3 July 2020 10: 55
                    +1
                    Svarog, you’re a normal guy, but take a break from politics and VO comments, take a walk and get some fresh air. Refresh your head and thoughts. You yourself don’t notice how you write every day that everything is bad, everything is lost, nothing will work, and so on, and it doesn’t. Don’t tell me, everything is wrong with you and you are bogged down in your closed worldview as in a swamp. True, without sarcasm and reproach I say, rest and breathe fresh air.
                  6. krops777
                    krops777 4 July 2020 09: 59
                    0
                    In the United States, a District of Columbia court issued an arrest warrant for Iranian oil tankers, which are currently heading to Venezuela.


                    Here is an example of compliance with international law, why the FSA is possible and not for others.
                2. igor1981
                  igor1981 2 July 2020 16: 12
                  -8
                  Quote: Alena Frolovna
                  Now the laws of Russia, its Constitution are above international law, which the West uses as an electric chair for Russia. "

                  Do you think that at a turnout of 65%, and 7 out of 10 of those who voted voted in favor of the amendments? personally, I wouldn’t be against Putin if we lived well, although I voted against it. our country is in terms of how England allows people to live on a level, that’s the only thing I would unfasten from Russia is Chechnya, Ingushetia, and Dagestan then rule as much as you want But we live differently, how so ??? My mom receives a pension of about 9700, she works because there is not enough pension. Is that okay ???
                  1. Woodman
                    Woodman 2 July 2020 16: 15
                    +18
                    Quote: igor1981
                    the only thing I would unfasten from Russia is Chechnya, Ingushetia, and then Dagestan rule as much as you want

                    Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltics, Transcaucasia, Central Asia were "unfastened" - but "as in England" it still did not ... Or it did, but not all of them. Maybe that's not the point?
                    1. igor1981
                      igor1981 2 July 2020 16: 29
                      +3
                      From your list, I would not unfasten the Baltic States and Belarus. But the Baltic countries do not want to live with us, and in Belarus the Old Man. When was the last time you were in Moscow? All of Moscow is already black, I work on a shift in Moscow, I’m going to the subway alone, Is this normal? Stalin is not enough. Moscow is all black !!!
                      1. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 19: 28
                        -14%
                        Quote: igor1981
                        Moscow is all black

                        But nothing that they are people too? Those who have the choice to die of hunger at home or go to work where they pay money for it.
                      2. Terrible GMO
                        Terrible GMO 2 July 2020 20: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: igor1981
                        and Belarus. But the Baltic countries do not want to live with us, and in Belarus the Old Man

                        and Belarus. But the Baltic countries do not want to live with us, and in Belarus the Old Man
                        With luck, not for long. Sitting in the liver.
                      3. your1970
                        your1970 3 July 2020 15: 29
                        0
                        Quote: igor1981
                        All of Moscow is already black, I work on a shift in Moscow, I’m going to the subway alone, Is this normal? Stalin is not enough. Moscow is all black !!!

                        I’ll tell you a secret, we have half of the country like that, and they are so wonderful! our citizens. And not from yesterday, but from the time of the USSR !!!!!
                        Our country is multinational ......
                        Or do you think that Kazakhs come to us from Kazakhstan ???? We have a lot of them and ours
                  2. Gunter prereen
                    Gunter prereen 2 July 2020 18: 22
                    +4
                    “My mom gets little and that's why I'm against constitutional changes.” My mom gets the same, but she is FOR. And if your mother is forced to work with such a pension, then probably the problem is not in Putin, but in her son. Didn't you think about it? And in order to be on a level like Great Britain, it took 500 years to plunder half the world. Learn history. And help your mother, and do not whine about a bad life.
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 19: 30
                      +2
                      Quote: Gunter Preen
                      Learn the story.

                      And in this story about the chaos of the 90s and mortgage auctions written?
                      1. Gunter prereen
                        Gunter prereen 2 July 2020 19: 54
                        +3
                        You should ask Chubais for loans-for-shares auctions. Don't throw everything in one heap. The chaos of the 90s was caused by people who are now wringing their hands and screaming about a dying democracy. Their goal is the same - to repeat. All those who said YES at the plebiscite voted for change in an evolutionary way. And people like you probably need a "big leap"? And that was in our history.
                      2. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 20: 05
                        +3
                        Quote: Gunter Preen
                        For mortgage auctions you need to ask from Chubais.

                        What are you saying? And from those who grabbed the national property and often nichrome could not normally dispose of them, ditching entire industries sometimes it is not necessary?
                      3. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 20: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Gunter Preen
                        And people like you probably need a "big leap"? And that was in our history

                        If not for this leap, the Vlasov would have turned out to be a gorgeous lampshade. And just a miserable parody of a person.
                      4. Gunter prereen
                        Gunter prereen 2 July 2020 21: 56
                        -2
                        You should go to a psychiatrist. Lampshades, Vlasovite, grabbed, everything was lost, etc. All gathered in a heap. But other people are building the country, not whiners like you.
                      5. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 22: 37
                        -3
                        My people are building this country. And you parasitize on it.
                3. Pavel57
                  Pavel57 2 July 2020 21: 09
                  +7
                  Due to the robbery of the USSR in the 90s, the West pushed the crisis back for 20 years.
              2. 76rtbr
                76rtbr 3 July 2020 01: 51
                +5
                And here help to parents, the state is obliged to pay a decent pension and not to tear three skins from the people and not to eat three mayors of any mayors, feathers and a hedgehog with them. How so that people help sms for treatment, and did not try not to ruin the medicine!? So start whining in my direction!
              3. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 3 July 2020 06: 33
                -1
                Quote: Gunter Preen
                “My mom gets little and that's why I'm against constitutional changes.” My mom gets the same, but she is FOR. And if your mother is forced to work with such a pension, then probably the problem is not in Putin, but in her son. Didn't you think about it? And in order to be on a level like Great Britain, it took 500 years to plunder half the world. Learn history. And help your mother, and do not whine about a bad life.

                Bravo. Let's cancel the pension altogether. Let the children take care of their parents. The state does not have money. My grandmother raised one in the 50s and managed to help in the 80s for 100 rubles.
                1. Gunter prereen
                  Gunter prereen 3 July 2020 08: 43
                  -1
                  That is, now pensions need to be increased, not because pensioners deserve it, working all their lives, but what could they support people like you? Or if the revenge of the Yeltsinists comes, will they increase pensions? Are you waiting for this? Who promises this to you, Sobchak, Navalny, Kudrin, Gref. These?
                2. Pilat2009
                  Pilat2009 3 July 2020 10: 07
                  +2
                  Quote: Gunter Preen
                  That is, now pensions need to be increased, not because pensioners deserve it, working all their lives, but what could they support people like you? Or if the revenge of the Yeltsinists comes, will they increase pensions? Are you waiting for this? Who promises this to you, Sobchak, Navalny, Kudrin, Gref. These?

                  Pension should ensure the normal life of a pensioner. Is it accessible to explain? Before it was enough, now it is not. Has it?
                3. Gunter prereen
                  Gunter prereen 3 July 2020 10: 24
                  -1
                  Go work, loafer. Don’t sit on your parents’s neck. Got it? oops.
                4. Pilat2009
                  Pilat2009 3 July 2020 14: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: Gunter Preen
                  Go work, loafer. Don’t sit on your parents’s neck. Got it? oops.

                  Go teach Russian. Who? Then you will be clever
            2. Alexander Belyavsky
              Alexander Belyavsky 3 July 2020 14: 38
              -1
              Why are you turning on the armor here, kremlebot? Whom to support for retirement? Now such a "pension" that the pensioner himself does not have enough. It's a pity, you can't express yourself here - otherwise I would have overlaid you with three-story buildings ... And it's better to cross in life - I would explain my idea more clearly. I assure you - I would have been imbued and understood everything.
        2. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 3 July 2020 06: 43
          -2
          Quote: Gunter Preen
          And in order to be on a level like the United Kingdom, for this it was necessary for 500 years to plunder the floor of the world.

          And who was robbed by Norway and Finland?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 3 July 2020 06: 59
            +5
            Quote: Andrey NM
            And who was robbed by Norway and Finland?

            Friend to friend.
          2. CT-55_11-9009
            CT-55_11-9009 8 July 2020 12: 25
            0
            In the last two hundred years, they have not robbed anyone at all. And, no, the Finns in northwestern Russia walked into the Civil and Great Patriotic War, but more - no, no.
      2. Alexander Belyavsky
        Alexander Belyavsky 3 July 2020 14: 33
        +3
        Well what can I say ... Let's cancel the pensions then. Why are they? After all, every senior citizen has a son who must take care of ent a senior citizen, right? Well, let a man plow all his life to the state, what trifles - will be interrupted. Let us give him a beggarly handout - even if this rejoices. And you yourself did not think that someday you would become a pensioner? And suddenly it will turn out like this (from the bottom of my heart I wish you this !!!) so that you could not count on anything other than a beggarly pension from your Putin. Then remember your abstruse opus here. And do not put the blame on citizens-responsibility on Putin. Nobody forcibly holds him in power. He himself crowned the life-long kingdom, not to mention the fact that 20 years in power. Guilt on him. Lies on him.
        And about "teach history" - so it is for you, dear man, you need to read it ... well, at least read it, not teach it. You will find many examples there that the usurpation of power did not lead to good. Do you think that your only one in history came up with a brilliant idea to reign for life? Ha-ha ... As children - history teaches nothing - neither the king, nor his slaves ...
    2. Igool
      Igool 3 July 2020 01: 39
      +3
      Quote: igor1981
      that’s the only thing I’d unfasten from Russia is Chechnya, Ingushetia, and Dagestan

      Kemska volost? Ohhh, me, me, Kemska parish
  2. Malyuta
    Malyuta 2 July 2020 21: 31
    +5
    Quote: Alena Frolovna
    "From the classics of jokes: how is it different

    1. Svarog
      Svarog 2 July 2020 21: 46
      -1
      Quote: Malyuta
      Quote: Alena Frolovna
      "From the classics of jokes: how is it different


      I applaud while standing! good Wonderful patriotic video! It’s a pity I didn’t see it before, otherwise I would definitely run and vote for Zero and Co.
  3. ihnovich990
    ihnovich990 3 July 2020 02: 01
    0
    Madame campaign has become already weak with brains ...
  • Nasrat
    Nasrat 2 July 2020 15: 25
    -7
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Nasr
    The game is just beginning, and apparently now according to our rules ...

    That’s all, the Constitution, as the last obstacle to a good life, has been adopted .. When do you think progressive and positive changes will come now? I will write down your answer .. so to speak, so that this fall would present it to you and discuss your insight wassat

    Hehe - Volodya wrote a delicious pendal to you .... Be sure to write down and remember this moment !!! tongue And be sure to remember him and not only in the fall ... bully
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 2 July 2020 15: 30
      +16
      Quote: Nasr
      That’s all, the Constitution, as the last obstacle to a good life, has been adopted .. When do you think progressive and positive changes will come now? I will write down your answer .. so to speak, so that this fall would present it to you and discuss your insight

      Hehe - Volodya wrote a delicious pendal to you .... Be sure to write down and remember this moment !!! And be sure to remember him and not only in the fall ...

      You do not move out of the question laughing When will we live now?
      And Volodya’s pendels began to distribute to the people from the pension reform, but it’s so dispersed that they can’t stop him now ..
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 2 July 2020 15: 36
        -12%
        Quote: Svarog

        When will we live now?
        .

        For you now, difficult times ... did not live up to the expectations of their owners ... bully Although you normally patched like that, lately ... isn't that why they sang about autumn? should they send a new training manual? work on the bugs will be carried out ...
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 2 July 2020 15: 37
          +11
          You do not move out of the question laughing. When do we live now?

          That’s edro, it’s all so .. resourceful .. answer the question, or will you be engaged in verbiage?
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 2 July 2020 15: 42
            -6
            Quote: Svarog
            You do not move out of the question laughing. When do we live now?

            That’s edro, it’s all so .. resourceful .. answer the question, or will you be engaged in verbiage?

            I and YOU did not live badly .... Far away you do not live in poverty, what would you complain about, tell me where the money from the "poor", for the construction of a brick house? wink And you never answered my question: did you return the money to Putin - for May and June? In protest! So the truth-teller - will we "merge"? laughing
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 2 July 2020 15: 46
            +11
            Quote: Nasr
            I and YOU did not live badly

            I lived .. badly. But the point is not in me and not in you .. I'm trying to understand why you are so insanely happy and when will your incomes of Russian citizens begin to grow in yours? After all, the Constitution was the cause of all ills, now this reason has been eliminated. BUT you are really in a pan .. not beautiful ..
          3. Nasrat
            Nasrat 2 July 2020 15: 52
            -9
            Quote: Svarog

            I lived .. bad ...

            Until we became an Internet fighter ... we realized that ..

            Quote: Svarog
            The constitution was the cause of all ills, now this reason is eliminated. ..

            after this line, you disappointed me .. I thought you were smarter .. hi

            so did you return the money to Putin? bully he threw you up yesterday ... did you return it to him in protest? bully
          4. ver_
            ver_ 4 July 2020 15: 46
            0
            ... how many demagogues have divorced in the Fatherland? ..
          5. CT-55_11-9009
            CT-55_11-9009 8 July 2020 12: 28
            0
            Quote: ver_
            ... how many demagogues have divorced in the Fatherland? ..

            Lot. And they work on different sides in sweat. Therefore, many previously normal sites and forums have become literally five years ... a specific place. To put it mildly. IN - also, unfortunately.
      2. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 2 July 2020 16: 01
        +17
        And these talkers will not answer anything concrete. So I ask them: "How will our life now change for the better?"
      3. Svarog
        Svarog 2 July 2020 16: 03
        +13
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        And these talkers will not answer anything concrete. So I ask them: "How will our life now change for the better?"

        Yes, they don’t want to substitute, they understand that the amendments are a fig leaf to cover the zeroing. And changes will happen, but for the worse.
      4. Nasrat
        Nasrat 2 July 2020 16: 09
        -14%
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        And these talkers will not answer anything concrete. So I ask them: "How will our life now change for the better?"

        Yes, they don’t want to substitute, they understand that the amendments are a fig leaf to cover the zeroing. And changes will happen, but for the worse.

        Svarog - when will you return money to Putin for May and June? Be a man!
      5. Svarog
        Svarog 2 July 2020 16: 13
        +13
        Quote: Nasr
        Svarog - when will you return money to Putin for May and June? Be a man!

        Probably then, when the retirement age is returned back .. Yes, and the state gave 100 times more than it received. For this reason I do not consider myself a debtor. And then, Putin spoiled this virus, why do I still owe him? The role of the state is to protect citizens, but even the state cannot overpower this role .. Here it is not to be allowed and forbidden here everything is glorious ..
      6. Nasrat
        Nasrat 2 July 2020 16: 14
        -15%
        Oooo ... a sign of rottenness. You don’t have principles .. I’m looking for the people you won’t go into exile ... pah!
      7. Svarog
        Svarog 2 July 2020 16: 16
        +9
        Quote: Nasr
        Oooo ... a sign of rottenness. You don’t have principles .. I’m looking for the people you won’t go into exile ... pah!

        Rottenness that I will not go to the link wassat You need a doctor crying
      8. Nasrat
        Nasrat 2 July 2020 16: 35
        -12%
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Nasr
        Oooo ... a sign of rottenness. You don’t have principles .. I’m looking for the people you won’t go into exile ... pah!

        Rottenness that I will not go to the link wassat You need a doctor crying

        Rottenness-in the absence of principles .... You will scold Putin, and you close the money from him in a stocking ... pah!
      9. Svarog
        Svarog 2 July 2020 16: 39
        +11
        Quote: Nasr
        Rottenness-in the absence of principles .... You will scold Putin, and you close the money from him in a stocking ... pah!

        You apparently have an iconostasis with Putin’s face laughing You are ridiculous .. the state gave me money, or do you think that Putin spat out of his pocket?
      10. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 3 July 2020 06: 44
        0
        Quote: Nasr
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Nasr
        Oooo ... a sign of rottenness. You don’t have principles .. I’m looking for the people you won’t go into exile ... pah!

        Rottenness that I will not go to the link wassat You need a doctor crying

        Rottenness-in the absence of principles .... You will scold Putin, and you close the money from him in a stocking ... pah!

        Not a single normal person will refuse to do so. But this applies to state enterprises. But pensioners and private traders have nothing to return. And yes, Putin returned a small part of the frozen pension savings and collected taxes
  • Urs
    Urs 2 July 2020 21: 26
    -3
    Read carefully article 81, and the so-called "zeroing" is not an indulgence for the right to post for life, but an opportunity to stand as a candidate for election.
    Well, you do not like GDP. Well, choose another your right.
    I reread all the nuances and aspects of the changes once and twice and realized that for me personally, nothing bad is expected.
    But it will be bad for those who are suited under article 95 as well as 103 and more ..... by the way, have you read the constitution? Not along the way, then what about the chatter?
  • Nasrat
    Nasrat 2 July 2020 16: 08
    -14%
    Quote: Fan-Fan
    And these talkers will not answer anything concrete. So I ask them: "How will our life now change for the better?"

    With a gun on the hunt - you see you live very badly .... wassat Looks at the last profits they bought a gun and clothes ... and a machine that they drove for hunting .... and a stray for hunting ... obviously poor!
  • Svarog
    Svarog 2 July 2020 16: 14
    +10
    Quote: Nasr
    With a gun on the hunt - you see you live very badly ....

    You can buy a gun from 8 thousand, is that an indicator of solvency in your opinion? Of course, the middle class (17t.r) is unlikely to allow itself .. prosperous wassat
  • Nasrat
    Nasrat 2 July 2020 16: 32
    -8
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Nasr
    With a gun on the hunt - you see you live very badly ....

    You can buy a gun from 8 thousand, is that an indicator of solvency in your opinion? Of course, the middle class (17t.r) is unlikely to allow itself .. prosperous wassat

    Tormented by poverty will not go for a rifle in the store .. tongue A hobby is not from a bad life .. wink
  • Alex777
    Alex777 2 July 2020 21: 04
    -3
    We will not pay compensation to Khodorkovsky and Co. for the captured national good. Never. Already good. wink
  • alone
    alone 3 July 2020 00: 41
    +1
    Quote: Alex777
    We will not pay compensation to Khodorkovsky and Co. for the captured national good. Never. Already good. wink

    The Poles also did not want to pay. But Gazprom had to fork out request
  • Alex777
    Alex777 3 July 2020 01: 32
    -1
    The Poles were paid, and now we will condemn on the basis of the same decision.
    They will return everything for the period when pipeline gas was cheaper than spot gas.
    Do not confuse warm and soft.
    1,9 billion euros - it was a trial balloon.
    Appetites there for 50 billion. But shish them. yes
    Khodorkovsky is the most striking example of a privatizer.
    In the days of EBN, the more the reptile was, the larger the piece it grabbed.
    Yukos was the biggest piece.
    I know a lot about Khodorkovsky since the mid-90s.
    The fact that he sat down saved us from his presidential ambitions.
    And thank God. Poroshenko would be in a cube. hi
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 3 July 2020 06: 49
    -1
    Quote: Alex777
    We will not pay compensation to Khodorkovsky and Co. for the captured national good. Never. Already good. wink

    Why did you decide that? No one will clatter with us, they will arrest the assets and that’s all. Or they will impose sanctions against Rosneft. They will pay without any noise, you won’t even know anything.
  • Urs
    Urs 2 July 2020 21: 17
    +3
    Did someone promise you this?
  • bk316
    bk316 2 July 2020 16: 39
    -9
    I’m trying to understand why you are so insanely happy and when will your incomes of Russian citizens begin to grow now?

    Do not start. Until the citizens of Russia understand the obvious thing: THE RUSSIAN CITIZEN'S REVENUE DEPENDS IN PRACTICE COMPLETELY FROM THE MOST CITIZEN, they will not begin.
    But it’s not necessary that everyone understands who understands and wants to grow from that one.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 2 July 2020 16: 48
    +11
    Quote: bk316
    Do not start. Until the citizens of Russia understand the obvious thing: THE RUSSIAN CITIZEN'S REVENUE DEPENDS IN PRACTICALLY COMPLETELY FROM THE CITIZEN, will not start

    Of course they won’t start .. But not because the income of citizens depends on the citizen himself, but just the opposite .. The income of citizens depends on the effectiveness of the state. Efficiency should be manifested in flexible tax legislation, in credit policy, in the rule of law, in setting and achieving long-term goals. Which of the following do you think works?
    Ultimately, it is the state that creates jobs, which means it directly affects the income level of citizens. You have an extremely liberal approach .. not much depends on a citizen, not everyone can and can and want to do business ..
  • bk316
    bk316 2 July 2020 16: 55
    -15%
    Incomes of citizens depend on the effectiveness of the state.

    Crap dog. Under socialism, it is still somehow possible (and even this can be argued) Under capitalism, 99% of the citizens themselves.
    Tell me your words in the USA - and all the stigma of a lifetime loser is ensured.
    Well, yes, we are not in the United States explain to what extent domestic government policy affects (taxes, lending rates ....) ON MY LIFE?

    The simplest proof of my innocence: the gap between the average income of the population of the country with the most efficient economy (choose yourself) and in the Russian Federation is not comparable small compared with the gap between the poor and the rich in any of these economies. So the decisive factor is man himself. TRY TO REFUT.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 2 July 2020 17: 07
    +9
    Quote: bk316
    US explain to what extent domestic public policy affects (taxes, lending rates ....) MY LIFE?

    It’s easy to explain, but who are you working with?
    If you are an entrepreneur or entrepreneur, then taxes and credit rates will greatly affect your business .. Apparently you are an official, you don’t understand simple things ..
    And what would develop long-term projects, with a payback period of say 10 years ... without the state there is no way at all .. Not a single investor can invest in such a project in Russia .. And all serious breakthrough projects with a long payback period .. Take pharmacology or machine tool building or electronics ..
    I see that in the question you don’t think at all ..
  • bk316
    bk316 2 July 2020 17: 26
    -8
    It’s easy to explain, but who are you working with?

    IT director in an IT company laughing
    The company has not a penny of state capital.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 2 July 2020 17: 28
    +7
    Quote: bk316
    IT director in an IT company

    This explains a lot.. laughing Golovan does not work for you laughing The feeling that you are in the same office, under cover laughing
  • bk316
    bk316 2 July 2020 17: 34
    -4
    Golovan does not work for you

    Not with me. This naturally explains a lot: IT is an area where a lot depends on a person’s brain knowledge skills. Here you don’t need big dibs for launch, communication and so on.

    And you understand that I live much better than say the average Frenchman and or Fin. So who does it depend on? FROM GDP OR FROM ME?
  • Svarog
    Svarog 2 July 2020 17: 37
    +6
    Quote: bk316
    IT is an area where a lot depends on a person’s brain knowledge skills. Here you don’t need big dibs for launch, communication and so on.

    And you understand that I live much better than say the average Frenchman and or Fin. So who does it depend on? FROM GDP OR FROM ME?

    I agree that your business is completely up to you. But you only talk about yourself and about yourself. I’m talking about what the state needs to do to increase the incomes of citizens, to move away from the commodity economy .. Moreover, I’m talking about obvious and banal things ... but why don’t they want to do this?
  • bk316
    bk316 2 July 2020 17: 46
    -6
    I’m talking about what the state needs to do to increase the incomes of citizens, to leave the raw materials economy.

    You have porridge in your head. Avoiding a commodity economy will not necessarily lead to an increase in citizens' incomes.
    Suppose we make a breakthrough in high-tech, the same IT, microelectronics as the foundation of applied mathematics and physics. Well, yes, my income will certainly increase, I am an applied mathematician and work in IT. And why will your income, the income of oil and metallurgists increase - they will only fall and even they may become unemployed.

    That is, these are different things. You probably don’t know, but power stimulates high-tech and promises even more, but only those who have nothing to do with it will not heal better.


    Regarding myself, I generally try to write only about what I know first hand. Descriptors of the Russian hinterland who have never been to the Russian Federation or hard farm life, people who did not leave the Moscow Ring Road got me. If I write about Kamchatka or Kola, then I was there, if I worked there on the work of geophysicists. If I write that the average Finnish person lives poorer than me, then I have drunk more than one bubble with them and I know how they shake over every euro.

    And yes, the fall of the USSR left many behind, but it was necessary to understand that there would be no return. And we take care of ourselves and not whine and wait for happiness from the GDP, at least understand where the money will come first in 90 then in 2000.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 2 July 2020 19: 00
    +4
    And why will your income, the income of oil and metallurgists increase - they will only fall and even they may become unemployed.

    With your tax deductions .. this is obvious.
    incomes of oil workers and metallurgists - they will only fall and even they may become unemployed.

    What is the connection between the growth of the high-tech industry and the fall in the income of oil workers or metallurgists .. In another way, where did you get the idea that their income should certainly fall if the growth of the "high-tech" begins
    Consequently:
    - You have porridge in your head.

    Perhaps you are a good IT specialist, but definitely not a businessman ..
    If I write about Kamchatka or Kola, it means I was there, if I worked there on the work of geophysicists

    But the feeling of talking with you is that you are very limited in your work ..
    I also write about what I know ..
    And yes, the fall of the USSR left many behind, but it was necessary to understand that there would be no return. And we take care of ourselves and not whine and wait for happiness from the GDP, at least understand where the money will come first in 90 then in 2000

    You are not very clever in reasoning .. although the position "my house is on the edge" is understandable .. but a situation may arise when, as in 1917, many will have to tick to the finals or somewhere else .. I think that you do not like this prospect, but if so , then you need to think not only about your fifth point, but also about those who eat up the last horseradish without salt .. and there are a lot of them, as you know, in Russia ..
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 19: 44
    +7
    The comrade obviously does not understand what the division of labor is. Its place in this division. And what interesting consequences it can expect during a further flight into the abyss of the economic crisis. Which causes some bewilderment. It seems that an applied mathematician should be somewhat smarter. Or shouldn't? laughing
  • Campanella
    Campanella 2 July 2020 21: 59
    +2
    So he is applied ...
  • bk316
    bk316 3 July 2020 14: 04
    -1
    And what interesting consequences it can expect during a further flight into the abyss of the economic crisis.

    Well, nothing falls into any abyss, but if this happens.
    That
    - capitalists will begin to save on production by cutting off secondary processes
    - Mass job cuts will begin with attempts to keep the business
    - competition in many areas of the economy will increase and modern technologies for promoting goods and services will begin to be applied
    - the state will begin to support someone

    And all of this will EXTREMELY INCREASE THE DEMAND FOR IT. Because it is IT that allows you to reduce costs. When in Moscow self-isolation was announced, ordinary workers were picking their noses and business owners were thinking how to continue working, a golden rain fell on IT under the name "transition to remote work".
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 3 July 2020 14: 25
    -1
    Quote: bk316
    Well, nothing falls into any abyss

    It can be seen how it doesn’t fall, all over the world there is a drop in GDP growth, an increase in the number of unemployed, but everything is fine in your parallel universe.
    Quote: bk316
    capitalists will begin to save on production by cutting off secondary processes

    I’ll tell you a terrible secret, but the IT people are just those secondary ones.
    Quote: bk316
    massive job cuts will begin with attempts to maintain business

    Itishnikov is now just a wild overabundance. Well, of course, except where real professionals with a good understanding of mathematics, physics and other interesting sciences are required. But even there when they squeeze, they will fly out of the gate in the cold. See the 90s.
    Quote: bk316
    the state will begin to support someone

    And someone will not start. See 90s.
    Quote: bk316
    Because it is IT that allows you to reduce costs.

    And the easiest way is to reduce salaries and kick extra people into the cold. And the most interesting thing is that it always has been, is and will be.
  • bk316
    bk316 3 July 2020 14: 36
    -2
    Itishnikov is now just a wild overabundance.

    It’s pointless to argue with you further. You just don’t understand what IT is, who are IT specialists and what kind of knowledge they need. I’ll tell you a secret, they can’t be found in the afternoon with fire for almost any money (well, within reason).
    I wish to continue to watch with horror a fall into the abyss, but I need to think about how to ensure the operation of my pool in the country in the winter. laughing
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 3 July 2020 19: 28
    -1
    Quote: bk316
    You just don’t understand what IT is, who are IT specialists and what kind of knowledge they need.

    Just know and understand.
    Quote: bk316
    I’ll tell you a secret, they can’t be found in the afternoon with fire for almost any money (well, within reason).

    As I said. You are really like from a parallel universe. Your secret, he suddenly is not a secret at all.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 2 July 2020 21: 20
    -2
    Quote: Svarog
    the position "my hut is on the edge" is understandable .. but a situation may arise when, as in 1917, many will have to tick to the finals or somewhere else ..

    I read your correspondence with a friend for a long time what
    Quote: Svarog
    you need to think not only about your fifth point, but also about those who are the last horseradish without salt eats ..

    It is a masterpiece good But is it okay that if you have to tick, then the Finns will have more good specialists, and here, too, horseradish will become a delicacy?
  • Svarog
    Svarog 2 July 2020 21: 30
    +2
    Quote: Ruslan67
    This is a masterpiece. But is it okay that if you have to tick, then the Finns will have more good specialists, and here the hell will become a delicacy?

    You probably know the story .. at 17 all this was already .. everything passed. And lo and behold, in 39, 100% of the population became educated, in contrast to 1905, when only 14% were educated. And the USSR went to a completely different level in science ..
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 2 July 2020 21: 34
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    you probably know the story ..

    Therefore I write sad
    Quote: Svarog
    at 17 all this was already ..

    And taught nothing request So that the horseradish was stellate, it is necessary not to scratch the tongue from the sofa, but to do something real. And everyone will be equally good anywhere and never dream
  • Svarog
    Svarog 2 July 2020 21: 36
    0
    Quote: Ruslan67
    And everyone equally well will not be anywhere and never dream much

    It's true. But the gap should not be between rich and poor, as it is now. That is the whole problem. Income should be fairly distributed and there will be happiness for all.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 2 July 2020 21: 44
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    Income should be fairly distributed and there will be happiness for all.

    Now I'll start to swear am Revenues from what and whose? Oil and gas go to the budget And by the way, rather big My personal income? Not ready to share request Equity criterion in the studio fellow Only without common words about a decent life and equal opportunities
  • Svarog
    Svarog 2 July 2020 21: 56
    -1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Revenues from what and whose? About

    Are you mowing a fool? Do you think the RFP of a deputy is justified? A doctor or teacher receives 500 tons .. A Simonyan 17 ml. per week for what? And the Nightingale .. Miller, Sechin .. the list is endless .. Progressive tax where? Do you like the West a little what to refer .. so there is ..
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 2 July 2020 22: 03
    -4
    [quote = Svarog] You like to refer a little to the west .. [/ quote]
    I ???? [quote = Svarog] Do you think the RFP of a deputy of 500 tons is justified? [/ Quote]
    I believe that they generally do not need a fuck at any level [quote = Svarog] A doctor or teacher receives 17 tons ..
    Go to the forest! I have a bunch of acquaintances and friends doctors and teachers Nobody has less than fifty dollars .... in St. Petersburg and not Kozodrishchensk [quote = Svarog] Simonyan 2 ml. per week for what? A Nightingale .. Miller, Sechin [/ quote]
    For the level on the social ladder and not from birth
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 3 July 2020 07: 31
    +2
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Nobody has less than fifty dollars .... in St. Petersburg and not Kozodrishchensk

    Teachers in Kozodrishchensk - the second grade? Or a third?
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 3 July 2020 17: 16
    -1
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    in Kozodrischensk - the second grade?

    Number of hours and students If there are 10 students in a class at a rural school and the teacher leads 6-8 hours a week request A friend of the head teacher at the gymnasium. She still has a class and two subjects — music and native land. Salary is under 80. Well, of course the category
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 3 July 2020 21: 30
    +2
    Quote: Ruslan67
    A friend of the head teacher at the gymnasium. She still has a class and two subjects — music and native land. Salary is under 80. Well, of course the category

    And the rest, what salaries?
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 3 July 2020 21: 57
    0
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    And the rest

    From 40 to 60, depending on workload and length of service. A classmate-nurse of the highest category has been working in the district clinic for more than 20 years in one place. Salary is about fifty dollars
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 4 July 2020 00: 30
    0
    My sister gets about 20. Experience - under forty.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 4 July 2020 01: 20
    0
    Where? And the category that I did not come up with request
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 4 July 2020 01: 24
    0
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Where?

    In the city polyclinic.
    Quote: Ruslan67
    And the category that I did not come up with

    Do not know. I’ll ask tomorrow if laziness does not hug.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 4 July 2020 01: 25
    0
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    In the city polyclinic.

    City what My classmate of St. Petersburg Vasileostrovsky district ...
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 4 July 2020 01: 31
    0
    Quote: Ruslan67
    City

    Bear in the north, I have repeatedly written that I live in Novomoskovsk, Tula region. And a sister right there.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 4 July 2020 01: 41
    0
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Bear in the north, I have repeatedly written,

    Volodya hi But not about sister request
    The conversation begins to go beyond understanding. sad Now I will explain:
    About a year and a half ago there was srach seems with our participation what about the salaries of doctors and teachers After him, I took two girlfriends for the gills to explain to me on the fingers One head teacher at school and the second head of the children's clinic She was a teaching therapist when her daughter was at school Now, head when the grandson laughing Well, age is already such that ordinary engineers in the environment did not remain recourse
    So she shouted obscenely that a snot comes from a medical school and 35 t is not enough for her. She answers the offer to go part-time: And when do I go to the club then ?! am St. Petersburg sad
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 4 July 2020 01: 50
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    But not about sister

    Well, yes, and with what a binge, I have already asked three times why my sister, working as a doctor, gets three times less than my aunt, who works as a similar doctor, but in Moscow? Are they painted differently?
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 4 July 2020 01: 56
    0
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    why does my sister, working as a doctor, receive three times less than my aunt, who works as a similar doctor, but in Moscow? Are they painted differently?

    Like with a binge winked Region Loading Category Length of Service Subordination am Your division! Never a rural teacher with a class of 8 people will not receive more than a teacher of the capital’s gymnasium Or a rural kono .... excuse the paramedic with 10 old women than a doctor of the highest category in the regional hospital
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 4 July 2020 02: 05
    0
    It’s good to fish.
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Region

    Tula region.
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Download

    Not understood...
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Category

    Again, I did not understand ....
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Length of service

    Um ... 40, somewhere. And I remembered that she seems to have a title ... wink
    Quote: Ruslan67
    A rural teacher with a class of 8 will never receive more than a teacher from the capital’s gymnasium.

    And why in 8 people, and not in 30?
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 4 July 2020 02: 10
    0
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Tula region.

    Not in the tank
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Not understood...

    Number of people at one time + challenges
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Again, I did not understand ....

    Young specialist or doctor of the highest category
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Um ... 40, somewhere. And I remembered that she seems to have a title ...

    DMB
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    And why in 8 people, and not in 30?

    Find a village where in the first class 30 people
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    It’s good to fish.

    Good Mu-Mu dye: drown and without makeup drinks
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 4 July 2020 02: 19
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Number of people at one time + challenges

    Um ... I don’t know, but somehow she told me that one physician falls on about three thousand people, and almost all of them work at one and a half to two rates.
    Quote: Ruslan67
    DMB

    Unrealistic. Right now, I'll call you tomorrow, I’ll clarify.
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Find a village where in the first class 30 people

    Will the village go? Odoev.
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Good mu-mu dye

    Here I do not fucking. There Gerasim guards, bangs yet. He is only a lady and obeys ...
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 4 July 2020 02: 23
    0
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Unrealistic. Right now, I'll call you tomorrow, I’ll clarify.

    Immortal phrase performed by Artsybashev wassat
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Will the village go? Odoev.

    Population Number of schools And first grades then suitable ... for statistics
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Here I do not fucking.

    Well, since fishing is not happy, probably yes tongue
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 4 July 2020 02: 32
    0
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Immortal phrase performed by Artsybashev

    Never heard of this person. Probably the famous pepper, huh?
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Population Number of schools

    Here I have nothing to do, how to count their livestock. Well, under the USSR there was a cinema and a disco.
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Well, since fishing doesn’t suit you,

    Just yesterday I threw a fishing rod. Not pecking, infection ... crying
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 4 July 2020 02: 36
    0
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Probably the famous pepper, huh?

    People's Artist
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Well, under the USSR there was a cinema and a disco.

    Kozodrishchensk smokes in the corridor sad
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    . Do not bite, infection ..

    Throw dynamite. Not fish so fish supervision ....
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 4 July 2020 02: 44
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    People's Artist

    I don’t remember this, even kill ...
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Kozodrishchensk smokes in the corridor

    And how! There, wine stood freely under the dry law of the labeled.
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Throw Dynamite

    No. Even there is no fire extinguisher, everyone drank everything in scrap metal.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 4 July 2020 02: 48
    0
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    I don’t remember this, even kill ...

    DMB did not look? And Shirley-Myrli? I sympathize recourse
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    No. Even there is no fire extinguisher, everyone drank everything in scrap metal.

    Dynamite for the production of scrap metal I understand this But to drink?
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 4 July 2020 03: 09
    0
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Dynamite for the production of scrap metal I understand this But to drink?

    I'm talking about a fire extinguisher. You pour water, spread the grass on top, then throw the carbide ... But one of our clowns took it, and drank a fire extinguisher. The welded wheel caught fire first, then the whole car flared up. He runs: "Guys, give me a fire extinguisher!" But no. We drank it literally the day before. And so the car burned down. crying
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 4 July 2020 01: 57
    0
    Quote: Ruslan67
    So she yelled obscenely that comes a snot from a medical school and 35 t

    You should have seen two ladies from the Tula Pedagogical talking:
    - Ah, wee ...
    - Yes, pee-pee-pee
    - Yes, if I knew that there would be such a pee, pee hell I would go to the pedagogical institute.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 4 July 2020 02: 04
    0
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    You should have seen two ladies from the Tula Pedagogical talking:

    Repeatedly heard and saw ..... graduates of LSU and Herzen wassat What speed winked Themselves chose yes
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 4 July 2020 02: 10
    0
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Themselves chose

    Yes, they were normal, in comparison with the gymnasium. These are exactly De Billas. No wonder we waved with them.
  • CT-55_11-9009
    CT-55_11-9009 8 July 2020 12: 37
    0
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Go to the forest! I have a bunch of acquaintances and friends doctors and teachers. Nobody has less than fifty dollars .... in St. Petersburg and not Kozodrischensk

    In addition to St. Petersburg and Moscow, 120 million people (120, KARL !!!) live, without a hitch, Russia, hundreds of thousands of them are teachers. Are they not people? And so, zamadyshny dung? They get pennies, like most of Russia outside the borders of million-plus cities! Drive about three hundred kilometers from St. Petersburg, drive into a town and ask about the salaries of the residents. The main thing is that you don’t remember about Kozlodrishchenisk during a conversation, otherwise they won’t understand, and if they understand, it’s not so ...
  • bk316
    bk316 3 July 2020 14: 27
    0
    Do you think the RFP of a deputy is justified?

    IN You yourself answered your question. Justified and not fair!
    Salary should be justified and period.
    The same doctor, an aunt in the district clinic, who can do nothing but write a ballot, SHE DOES NOT TREAT, but CAMPS. She and 17 are many, she must be kicked out. And a doctor who does unique operations and saves lives and health THEN WHEN NO ONE CAN THIS. Must receive not 17 thousand and 17 million. So he believes and does not receive at all 17 thousand and not even 170

    The employer pays deputies for loyalty. Are they loyal? And how....
  • bk316
    bk316 3 July 2020 14: 18
    0
    Income should be fairly distributed and there will be happiness for all.

    This will NEVER. For the concept of justice is purely subjective.
    Already gave an example.
    I deduct 10 times more to the FIU than you (for example) and I will receive a pension 2 times more than you.
    WE BOTH WILL THINK THIS IS JUST. Are you what I get more, I that only 2 times. laughing

    Under capitalism, redistribution is evil. The state should limit itself to helping those who cannot help themselves AND ALL of any redistributions. Otherwise, this is not capitalism and not socialism but garbage.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 22: 53
    -1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    And everyone equally well will not be anywhere and never dream much

    Maybe then, why the hell is he doing something according to your logic? One hell will not be better for everyone.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 2 July 2020 22: 55
    0
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    Maybe then, why the heck do something

    Will he be the one who wants what would be better Or do you have no friends who just whine at a beer?
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 23: 10
    -1
    Well, what do you mean by that? What kind of people are there? Well, there is also understand discovered America. What's next? And I can tell you about a whole class of people who will strangle you and your children and your parents for a penny. They will be a little sad from this, but it will pass quickly. These people are called capitalists. These people started a war in Ukraine, in Syria, in Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan. And they do not care about dead children and gray-haired parents. These people want to tear Russia apart and rob it. Hiding behind patriotic slogans, these people want you to die on occasion for their capital and they don’t care what will happen to your family without a breadwinner. You are protecting these people and this system now. Probably because you are one of them.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 3 July 2020 03: 44
    -2
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    You are protecting these people and this system now.

    I live in it And there is no other yet request
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    Hiding behind patriotic slogans, these people want you to die on occasion for their capital and they don’t care what will happen to your family without a breadwinner.

    When my classmates were sent to Afghanistan, other people talked about international duty so that you had no illusions: I served in the GRU. It's been no secret for a long time. It was 35 years ago and I wrote on the site. Even then, I perfectly understood what the Afghan (.... ............) put yourself what you like yes All deeply do not care The matter is in geopolitics of resources and flight time Lying why? And what was given to those who returned as a cripple? A communist with colonel epaulettes in the military commissariat, I did not send you there! III
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 3 July 2020 10: 12
    -1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    I live in it And there is no other yet

    But tell me, do you need another system? Or is this quite fine?
    Quote: Ruslan67
    all do not care

    No, not everyone. And you know it.
    Quote: Ruslan67
    And what was given to those who returned crippled?

    Do you want to talk about justice? Well, let's talk. How are you now different from these scum then? And immediately make a reservation, I do not consider myself a hero or a person of high moral qualities. But here we decided to talk about cleanliness?
  • bk316
    bk316 3 July 2020 14: 42
    -1
    But tell me, do you need another system? Or is this quite fine?

    Makar, sorry for the personal question, how old are you?
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 3 July 2020 19: 36
    -1
    Somewhere from 18 to 65. Plus minus. smile
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 3 July 2020 17: 22
    0
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    But tell me, do you need another system? Or is this quite fine?

    Not happy But the one that was full am I have no answer what kind of system is needed. Otherwise, I would have been sitting not on the Internet but in the State Duma
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    No, not everyone. And you know it.

    I have not seen a single person who would call Afghans brothers out of the meeting. And as they called after the site will not miss. The same is true for other Africa.
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    How are you now different from these scum then?

    I’m not in power and I have never been fulfilled Orders, but I have never made decisions affecting at least something Well, apart from work when I was the boss
  • bk316
    bk316 3 July 2020 14: 13
    -1
    But is it okay that if you have to tick, then the Finns will have more good specialists, and here, too, horseradish will become a delicacy?

    I don't even consider the question of "ticking". The question about eating up "horseradish without salt", for me sounds like this: if you are a lonely disabled person, this is a humanitarian issue and the FIU should take care of you, if you are a healthy man who sits down and hates everyone around you, the National Guard should take care of you.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 3 July 2020 17: 25
    -2
    Quote: bk316
    if you are a healthy man who sits on a bay and hates everyone around you, the guard must take care of you.

    good drinks
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 3 July 2020 21: 36
    +1
    Quote: bk316
    a lonely disabled person is a humanitarian issue and the FIU should take care of you; if you are a healthy man who sits in a bay and hates everyone around you, the guard must take care of you.

    Wow! Now, count, mathematician, how many with seven with a spoon. And do not forget yourself with your coder.
  • bk316
    bk316 3 July 2020 13: 52
    0
    With your tax deductions .. this is obvious.

    What is the connection between the growth of high-tech and the decline in income of oil workers or metallurgists ..

    I explain for the growth of a high-tech (well, or in general the industry on which the state has concentrated) it is given the most favorable regime. Lost revenue must be compensated for by others. This is the first stage. The second stage, personnel flow into a breakthrough industry (managerial, business, etc., with which we already have a problem). The third stage is the depressed industry fleeing the country. EXAMPLES OF MASS - for example, the automotive industry in the United States. Photos of Detroit to send?

    Perhaps you are a good IT specialist, but definitely not a businessman ..

    you are very limited in your work ..

    Of course not a businessman, I write about this through comments.
    Of course it’s limited as well as in general everyone who works, and doesn’t ache and solves world problems from the couch.

    It’s just that my work is such that without interrupting it, I communicate with people to whom you will not be allowed to go at all, well, I manage cash flows that exceed the incomes of 99% of people who call themselves businessmen (entrepreneurs are more correct to say). And I also have enough time to travel around the country and abroad and I hate beaching. Therefore, my view is not so narrow as
    It seems to you.

    although the position "my hut is on the edge" is understandable ..

    My position is different. Your life is in your hands, so start with yourself.

    but a situation may arise

    It can always arise, but it has not arisen for 20 years and for this I am grateful to the GDP.
    Another 10 years and I will calmly rest in retirement.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 19: 40
    +1
    Was this another comment on euphoria and narcissism? laughing
  • Urs
    Urs 2 July 2020 21: 46
    0
    I will support dear.
    I’m like the director, too, really is not IT, but a car service and I completely agree. I also have something to compare with and I have enough friends all over the world. And I declare that we are not fattening this fact, but we live very well not bad against the background of all the information that I have
    If you sit and stupidly whine that everything is bad, then this fact will not become better.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 3 July 2020 21: 41
    +2
    Quote: Urs
    I'm kind of a director too

    Tell me the director, how much is the difference between your salary and the lowest?
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 4 July 2020 12: 53
    0
    It remains only for everyone to become directors of quiet car service centers. And panovanu. I'm wondering how you can carry such nonsense and at the same time hold a leadership position? The further I live, the more I am convinced that mostly stupid, arrogant and stubborn creeps into the bosses.
  • freddyk
    freddyk 2 July 2020 22: 47
    +2
    .
    And yes, the fall of the USSR left many behind, but it was necessary to understand that there would be no return.


    These are golden words, and it was not necessary to write so much text.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 19: 37
    +3
    Ndaaaa. And this person is a director in IT! Well, in any case, he positions himself that way. This is trash. The worst thrash.
  • flicker
    flicker 2 July 2020 22: 28
    0
    Incomes of citizens depend on the effectiveness of the state.

    Accordingly, you are a citizen, which means that your income depends on the effectiveness of the state.
    ---
    Then why, given the existing "state efficiency", the incomes of some citizens significantly exceed the incomes of other citizens?
    Ie the effectiveness is the same, but the incomes of citizens are different?
  • Urs
    Urs 2 July 2020 21: 35
    +3
    Well, how can you not remember the tale of the rejuvenating apples.
    The king recognized that somewhere there was an apple tree with rejuvenating apples and sent Ivan go to bring apples.
    I’ll wait on the stove.
    Not a graft for grafting is not a seed for planting, but apples immediately.
    Well, like that, let’s start dropping our loot into our new constitution immediately, but what’s going to work? Well, what for, let Putin work, he promised to raise well-being, we’re lying there and waiting.
  • Urs
    Urs 2 July 2020 21: 15
    +2
    And who prevented you from living well. I do not think that the constitution.
    And vashchet all the changes in the constitution concerned mainly the strengthening of the state and the elimination of dependence on interference from outside. And who told you what or promised "now we will correct the constitution and you will heal"
  • Campanella
    Campanella 2 July 2020 22: 04
    +3
    Gorbachev and Yeltsin prevented me from living well.
    You know, somehow it’s hard to become a businessman, if you just worked all your life.
    Hypothetically, he could become a good designer, but everything changed and had to survive.
  • 30143
    30143 2 July 2020 16: 41
    +1
    Congratulations from part of the Ukrainian people.
    Most importantly, everything is stable and predictable.
    We envy ...
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 2 July 2020 22: 05
      +2
      Thank you and good luck and patience!
    2. DVR
      DVR 3 July 2020 07: 58
      +1
      Congratulations from part of the Ukrainian people.
      Most importantly, everything is stable and predictable.
      We envy ...

      Thank you very much from a part of the Russian people! It’s hard for you now, but not yet evening. This is not the first time in history. Everything will change, not as fast as we would like.
  • forpost
    forpost 2 July 2020 21: 52
    -1
    And who should know when you will heal? All around already live, some foreign cars and fights for a place, nowhere to spit.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 3 July 2020 07: 36
      -1
      Quote: forpost
      All around already live, some foreign cars and fights for a place

      Good life, wave fists for a place. Fingals at least have time to pass from the face?
      1. forpost
        forpost 3 July 2020 07: 59
        -1
        have time, that's how bad we live huh? And there’s nothing to ride on?
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 3 July 2020 08: 02
        +1
        Quote: forpost
        have time, that's how bad we live huh? And there’s nothing to ride on?

        How to say. Compare the time you travel to work in the USSR now.
      3. forpost
        forpost 3 July 2020 18: 05
        -1
        Well, you can compare the sugar content of sugar, then and now
  • Martin
    Martin 2 July 2020 17: 48
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    When do you think progressive and positive changes will come? I will write down your answer ..

    Write it down. For me, progressive and positive changes have already come. Beginning in a year since 2005, approximately when the demand for engineering personnel returned to Russia (unlike the 90s, when accountants and salespeople were mostly required in stalls with baked vodka), progressive changes began to come. When I, the Soviet engineer, did not have to continue to work as a mechanic in a car service and “bomb” at night on my “penny” in order to earn a piece of bread, but again it became possible to earn money by designing, testing and introducing into production. And since then, work has only increased, and with it, income.
    Record, record, autumn is not far, do not forget to present.
    1. MBRSS
      MBRSS 2 July 2020 18: 27
      +5
      And now accountants and salespeople are in demand, although their salaries are lower. As for design engineers, it depends on what specialty. Ex. builders are in demand, electronics engineers are superfluous. And it makes no sense to compare with the economic devastation after the collapse of the USSR. The question was "before the amendments" and "after the amendments." So you are not in the subject.
      1. Martin
        Martin 3 July 2020 14: 55
        0
        Quote: MBRBS
        electronic engineers are superfluous

        Are you telling this to a person who works in an office developing electronic control units? I will disappoint you: these are worthless electronic engineers. Specialists of normal qualifications are very much in demand. Another thing is that normal professionals still have to look for fire in the afternoon. But we try, we find. Including youth do not hesitate to take. Not all young people, it turns out - are victims of the exam. But many, unfortunately. When you dig up a pearl, you have to dig a lot of shit. But - piece goods.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 19: 46
      +1
      Wait rejoice. And although perhaps rejoice. Right now. You will sob later. The most interesting is ahead. So interesting that I hope I am still mistaken and we are lucky. For if you are not lucky .. We all wash ourselves with blood.
      1. Urs
        Urs 2 July 2020 21: 51
        +2
        Oops, well, about bloodthirsty, this is too much.
        And as for the rest, what are you based on, which of the amendments to the constitution moved you to do this.
        And what should we tell or not.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 22: 45
          +1
          Quote: Urs
          Oops, well, about bloodthirsty, this is too much.

          What are you saying? Let me remind you. What is the first that the Second World War is not a product of communism. It is your capitalism that has arranged the two greatest bloody massacres in the history of mankind. And by voting for these amendments, you essentially signed up to strengthen the power of capital. Think about it.
    3. Campanella
      Campanella 2 July 2020 22: 09
      -1
      You can see at the end of the Soviet.
  • Urs
    Urs 2 July 2020 21: 05
    0
    And who told you that the amendments will do better right now. For me, the amendments made so badly slow down "bad tomorrow". And we ourselves will do "better right now".
  • ppgt90
    ppgt90 3 July 2020 10: 34
    0
    In order for progressive and positive changes to come in your life, it’s not enough to sit on your ass and sprinkle poisonous saliva. To do this, you need to work, and for real, and not anyhow. But I deeply doubt these of your abilities. Apparently, it’s easier for you to shake your tongue.
  • Atilla
    Atilla 2 July 2020 15: 55
    0
    Play back soon according to our rules.
  • Alex777
    Alex777 2 July 2020 20: 58
    -2
    The game is just beginning and apparently, this time according to our rules

    25 full-time minus minors agreed with you. laughing
  • NordUral
    NordUral 2 July 2020 21: 48
    +1
    The game is just beginning and apparently, this time according to our rules ... thimbles (do not pull on cheaters)[i] [/ i]
  • Campanella
    Campanella 2 July 2020 21: 50
    +1
    Do not touch the Communists, they correctly said this is not the Constitution! This is a continuation of Yeltsin's lawlessness. For good, we need a new Constitution, where oligarchs will have no place!
  • avg
    avg 2 July 2020 15: 59
    0
    Quote: Rostov Dad
    But who would doubt if we don’t report to the embassy and there is no democracy

    So why report, because they do not understand anything in our reality
    The Kremlin used all its possibilities: "from clown shows at polling stations to distributing lottery tickets."
    Clowns are in Ukraine, and lottery tickets have always been a burden for us.
    1. 30143
      30143 2 July 2020 16: 45
      -7
      And where is Ukraine?
      Once again, congratulations on the vote and the results. Stability and predictability until 2036.
      Now definitely not brothers and sisters. If in 6 years the relations were reformatted, now they are finished. Moreover, the full ...
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 2 July 2020 22: 12
        +1
        Do not rush where we will not get away from each other.
  • Civil
    Civil 2 July 2020 14: 21
    +17
    “The End of Russian Democracy”

    Did I miss something? And was she what? lol
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 July 2020 14: 55
      +15
      It was .... Years like this until 2008, approximately, I definitely won’t remember
      1. avg
        avg 2 July 2020 16: 07
        +7
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        It was .... Years like this until 2008, approximately, I definitely won’t remember

        Well, you, it was a rampant democracy, somewhere even with special cynicism ...
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 July 2020 16: 19
          +15
          Quote: avg
          Well, you, it was a rampant democracy, somewhere even with special cynicism ...

          To be precise, democracy was covered with the introduction of the appointment of governors, that is, in 2005. Then, however, they again began to choose them, but these were already elections without a choice - like the presidential
          1. bk316
            bk316 2 July 2020 16: 41
            -7
            but it was already an election without a choice - like the presidential

            Andrei, I do not like Sobyanin and have never voted for him. But they chose him and deny it - lie to yourself ....
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 19: 59
              0
              Quote: bk316
              I do not like Sobyanin

              Typical Muscovite. laughing Whose evil is concentrated in Sobyanin. It was not in Luzhkov who arranged a garbage dump and a hotbed of crime from Moscow, in which saw cuts, kickbacks blossomed in full color, in which Moscow was demolished, historical monuments were stuck everywhere where you could and couldn’t be red-winged tresses in a hundred floors with shopping centers, all kinds of dubious monorails and monstrous monuments other crap was happening with power outages and smoke from burning peat bogs. There is no doubt all the evil is in Sobyanin, and before under Luzhkov there was no such crap. laughing
              1. bk316
                bk316 3 July 2020 15: 36
                0
                Typical Muscovite. laughing Whose evil is concentrated in Sobyanin

                Take it easy Makar exhale, well you rush so. Have I even written a word about Meadow?
                And yes, I am a Muscovite in the 4th generation than I am proud of.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 3 July 2020 19: 41
                  -1
                  Quote: bk316
                  Take it easy Makar exhale, well you rush so.

                  Yes, I’m calm. Muscovites have a tantrum from Sobyanin. laughing
                  Quote: bk316
                  And yes, I am a Muscovite in the 4th generation than I am proud of.

                  Well, a Muscovite and a Muscovite. Nothing wrong. Also a man. laughing
            2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 July 2020 10: 51
              +3
              Quote: bk316
              I do not like Sobyanin and have never voted for him. But they chose him and deny it - lie to yourself ....

              They chose, of course. Because he was essentially made the only acceptable candidate - the rest were worthless.
              1. bk316
                bk316 3 July 2020 15: 33
                0
                They chose, of course.

                I understand you, you are talking about elections without elections, about the lack of an alternative.
                Well, yes, the authorities cleared the clearing well.
                Well, about Sobyanin, if I remember correctly, Melnikov was a very worthy person (I personally know him), albeit from Zyuganov.
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 19: 51
        0
        Well, I don’t know, I don’t know. Rather, before the first presidential election of Yeltsin.
        1. dauria
          dauria 2 July 2020 21: 13
          +3
          Well, I don’t know, I don’t know. Rather, before the first presidential election of Yeltsin.

          Exactly. Included in the memory of that time. Just the aortic-coronary bypass of Yeltsin after the election, the scandal in the United States with Monica ... laughing In short, I’m standing at a bus stop, in a "Soyuzpechat" stall, a bunch of newspapers of all kinds, from politics to porn. And a rhyme in the center
          Clinton Monica squeezed
          The world says it
          Ours has covered all of Russia
          Himself like a corpse, and a member is standing.
          I still regret that I did not buy that newspaper. That was media freedom. laughing
    2. evgenii67
      evgenii67 2 July 2020 15: 08
      +9
      Quote: Civil
      Did I miss something? And was she what?

      Well, probably, she was only limping on both legs, and right now the hike was shot through the knee, in general, creeping, but where? Probably in the direction of the shot, so that they finish off over time.
    3. MBRSS
      MBRSS 2 July 2020 18: 30
      +3
      Russian democracy died in October 1993. And it’s not going to rise yet. This is closely monitored from above.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 2 July 2020 21: 25
        +1
        Think about it yourself: where did you come up with the word democracy?
        Then evaluate the scale of the country.
        In the States, democracy is no more than ours:
        1) The attempt of the third Bush to compete with Clinton's wife was miraculously stopped by Trump. After that, everything went to pieces just to remove it. This dressing is not a democracy ever. And the dictatorship of the minority. Iridescent, black and inciting leaders from the "Washington Swamp". bully
        2) Who sits in Congress and the Senate? For the most part, those with dad, mom, uncle were already there. Exceptions confirm the rule.
        To smart people who know how everything should be arranged correctly, I advise the United States to start. wink
        There is no democracy in China either. Are they with this "grief" that they have not become much better to live over the past 20 years? Steel.
        In countries such as the USA, Russia and China, there will never be democracy in the Greek sense. This is in 1980 the Greek told me. bully
        We have it, he continued, because we are getting money from you and from the States for loyalty and we live happily in a small country.
        But countries with nuclear weapons need to live more carefully.
        Either Russia will be an empire or it will not be. hi
        1. Maxim L
          Maxim L 3 July 2020 09: 42
          0
          "There is no democracy in China either. Are they with this" grief "that they have not become much better to live over the past 20 years?
          I don’t care about the form of government. Call it any word. I want Russia to develop no worse than China. And here over the past 30 years the difference is between heaven and earth. China is developing by leaps and bounds. In all directions. And the Russian government can only sell resources. And while still tyring most of the pocket of a minority
          "Either Russia will be an Empire or it won't."
          Either Russia will begin to develop, or it will further degrade. Which ultimately leads either to complete collapse, or to the loss of another part of the territories
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 3 July 2020 10: 54
            0
            The US did not mention. From what? wink
            I want Russia to develop no worse than China.

            I also want to. But besides China, since no one is developing for some reason. yes
            We do not live in a vacuum, but in certain conditions.
            1. China received investment and trade preferences, not least because it was a bonus for confronting the USSR. Even China and its development was an example of the fact that whoever is with the West is good for him.
            2. The population is important. We will never catch up with China in quantity.
            3. No one has destroyed the CCP as a management system. It’s ridiculous to compare our Communist Party and United Russia with the CCP, and it’s impossible to restore something like that with us.
            There are many reasons. He listed the first thing that came to mind.
            Now let's see what happens in China after the US canceled Clause 1.
            ZP among the Chinese has increased many times over the past 20 years. The cost of production is the same.
            China has already officially recognized that there will never again be such a growth rate of 7-8% as in the past 10 years.
            And the Russian government can only sell resources. And while still tyring most of the pocket of a minority

            Eccentrics who repeat this stamp without including their heads are ridiculous.
            How much is the budget formed from the proceeds of the sale? wink
            In which country do resource revenues go into the pocket of the population?
            I can remember 2 countries. Libya and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
            In Libya, a long time ago, and at KSA this year this joy was canceled.
            Are the examples not perfect? Bring others. wink
            An independent policy of money costs. And what the dependent leads to - just look around and see everything.
            Why does Kazakhstan have 1/3 of the NWF ($ 20 billion) Trump arrested?
            And Nazarbayev trudged to Washington to beg to be given. And then resigned. yes
            Gave or not - did not hear.
            From Venezuela, Britain took away gold worth a billion. And that's all. Stored in a "safe place" is called. bully
            Do not forget about the Ukrainian land. She already does not belong to Khokhlov.
            Either Russia will begin to develop, or it will further degrade.

            Formally, the phrase is correct. You can’t fault her.
            Just tell me - where should Russia develop and how.
            And I will answer this with pleasure. hi
    4. Campanella
      Campanella 2 July 2020 22: 14
      0
      We overslept vs5, the civilized stomped towards democracy by leaps and bounds, drowning in the blood of all who did not want it. We didn’t really want to join this democracy and finally we were struck out)))
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 2 July 2020 14: 38
    +18
    Well, since such a booze has gone ...
    F.I. Tyutchev. “Vain work - no, you won’t understand them ...”
    Vain labor - no, you cannot expose them, -
    The more liberal, the more vulgar,
    Civilization is a fetish for them,
    But their idea is not available to them.

    As you bow down before her, gentlemen,
    You do not get recognition from Europe:
    In her eyes, you will always
    They are not servants of enlightenment, but servants.

    May 1867
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 2 July 2020 14: 48
      +4
      Because the West thinks in orthodox categories, who is not a person who is not with them. Moreover, they all have an amazingly tolerant attitude towards everything that is not connected with ideology.
    2. Forcecom
      Forcecom 2 July 2020 15: 28
      +6
      With your permission I will take part:

      Denis Davydov
      Contemporary Song (1836)

      There was a stormy age, a wonderful age:
      Loud, stately;
      There was a huge man
      The waste of fame.

      That was the age of the warriors!
      But the checkers were mixed
      And climbed out of the cracks
      Cats and insects.

      Every sissy,
      Everyone robbed
      Fashionable nonsense
      Writhes a liberal.

      Despotism adversary,
      Equality orator, -
      Sulled, blind and bearded
      Proud receptionist.

      Tom Thiers and Rabo
      He knows from memory
      And like an ardent Mirabeau,
      Liberty glorifies.

      And you look: our Mirabeau
      Old gavrilo
      For the crumpled frill
      It whips in the mustache giving a snout.

      And you look: our Lafayet [1]
      Brutus or Factories
      Guys puts under the press
      Together with beetroot.

      Phrase Journal Lexicon,
      Retired Warrant Officer
      For him, Napoleon -
      Like warts.

      Fight is better for him
      Carbonara pale,
      Than when our globe
      From the thunders of victory

      Fluttered and trembling
      And the people are in turmoil
      Nice fell, waiting
      World destruction.

      Well? - Perhaps our hero
      Tired of his genius
      And fighting care
      And the fire of battle? ..

      No, he hasn’t been in battles -
      Sharkal in the living room
      And performed on the parade ground
      Crane pitch.

      Well? - Maybe he is rich
      Happiness family man
      Replacing the whipping lat
      Togo citizen? ..

      No, cheeky akimbo,
      He prowls in the country
      And in theaters, lounging
      Everything hisses and whistles.

      Well? - Maybe old times
      Did he run the bait?
      Stars, Ribbons and Ranks
      Despised in advance?

      No, the sage didn’t tear
      With the ambition of friendship
      And now I would take the cross ...
      Only so that without service.

      Here is the living room in the rays:
      Candles and kenkets,
      On the table and on the sofas
      Bales of newspapers;

      And the most congressional
      Two countesses deaf
      And two miserable baronesses
      Stiff and skinny;

      All the sin of sin
      Passionate novelty;
      Flea conspirator
      With a Jacobin fly;

      And the goat-egoza -
      The girl is old,
      And the pockmarked dragonfly -
      Gossip note;

      And a dry spider wearing glasses -
      Long lazaroni
      And the glasses have a buggy bug
      Stink carrier

      And the mosquito, the student is lame,
      In the coachman's hairstyle
      And the cricket, the night screamer,
      Friend of Krylov Pug;

      And goosebump philanthropist
      And the worm is hungry
      And Philipp Filippych - a bug,
      Husband ... effeminate, -

      Everything around the table - and lope
      In a boil meeting
      Utopian, ideologist,
      President of the congregation

      Old lady confessor,
      Little Abbot
      What used to beat in the living room
      In a small alarm.

      Everybody shouting hi to him
      With a gasp and a squeak
      And he is important to them in response:
      Dominus vobiscum! [2]

      And expanse of tongues!
      And this is not a joke!
      And to nations and kings -
      Everyone is creepy!

      All that is is all dust and dust!
      All that flourishes is
      Get out of the way! - Areopagus
      So determines.

      And he buzzes, full of thunder,
      Overthrowing the kingdom ...
      And Russia - my God! -
      Task ... so what!

      And the whole delimited light
      No war or fight!
      And Russia is no longer there,
      And in Moscow, the Poles!

      But to spite enemies she
      Everything lives and breathes
      And powerful and formidable
      And is full of health

      Insect chatter
      With care, it’s not amusing
      And the place where they are,
      It won’t even scratch.

      And when during sleep
      Moth or cockroach
      Creeps into her nose - she
      Chhnet - and there is a bug!
  • MIRA
    MIRA 2 July 2020 14: 52
    +3
    WIKI, who are you talking about? Specify. It suits everyone and you too.
  • Pereira
    Pereira 2 July 2020 15: 08
    +10
    Those who have stellate sturgeon with horseradish do not need a constitution.
  • mdsr
    mdsr 2 July 2020 13: 01
    -1
    Quote: Thrifty
    And, do not send all these Western media in three letters? Enough to live and think with an eye on the rotten, anti-Russian West, they are not a decree to us.

    Another messenger lol So what do not send? What prevents that? For 20 years you’ve been singing a song, but yourself, the Veda racers, on the contrary, are trying by hook or by crook to send your children to the West to study, buy expensive real estate there, get friends, take out stolen money, etc.
    Quote: Thrifty
    they are not close to us decree.
    My question is, did you graduate from the circus school?
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 2 July 2020 13: 09
      -10%
      mbrs- I ask how a man is a man - for a rotten market you will answer that I am sending someone to study abroad, that I HAVE expensive real estate! !!!!in the West? Or I’m waiting for an apology, at least, or I’m submitting a LIAR statement to you on the fact of the cleansing, and I won’t calm down until you sit down for your vile lie, rotten one!
      1. unaha
        unaha 2 July 2020 13: 30
        +17
        Do you understand that the question is not specifically addressed to you?
        Does it really not bother you that many zealous "patriots" in the parliament, the Federation Council, the government have real estate, residence permits of the "decaying west"? Don't you find this fact quite disgusting hypocrisy? But these same people come up with laws for us, execute them ...
        1. Maxim L
          Maxim L 2 July 2020 13: 39
          +3
          "Thrifty" doesn't understand. People like him have only two thoughts. 1. The great Putin and his government are the best. They are always right. Infallible, ideal, the best 2. The eerie West (here it is appropriate to compare the religious comparison with the devils), which is always wrong.
          You show such people the shoals in the country, but they either ignore them, or some "abstract" official is to blame
          1. Nikolay87
            Nikolay87 2 July 2020 14: 21
            -7
            Quote: Maxim L
            "Thrifty" doesn't understand. People like him have only two thoughts. 1. The great Putin and his government are the best. They are always right. Infallible, perfect, the best

            and here we also need to add "we can repeat".
          2. Vend
            Vend 2 July 2020 14: 26
            -7
            Quote: Maxim L
            "Thrifty" doesn't understand. People like him have only two thoughts. 1. The great Putin and his government are the best. They are always right. Infallible, ideal, the best 2. The eerie West (here it is appropriate to compare the religious comparison with the devils), which is always wrong.
            You show such people the shoals in the country, but they either ignore them, or some "abstract" official is to blame

            People like him have at least two thoughts, you don’t have one at all, they think for you in the West laughing laughing
            1. Maxim L
              Maxim L 2 July 2020 18: 29
              +2
              I never advocated selling to the West. I stand for the need to develop. And under Putin, solid corruption and degradation. Compare the development of China and Russia over the past 30 years. China, not bowing to the West, has made great strides. But Russia under Putin can only exploit the merits of the USSR. Because no merits
              1. Vend
                Vend 2 July 2020 18: 31
                -5
                Quote: Maxim L
                I never advocated selling to the West. I stand for the need to develop. And under Putin, solid corruption and degradation. Compare the development of China and Russia over the past 30 years. China, not bowing to the West, has made great strides. But Russia under Putin can only exploit the merits of the USSR. Because no merits

                I said not a single thought laughing Well, compare the corruption / 90s and under Putin. And Russia is developing, read the amendments laughing
                1. Maxim L
                  Maxim L 3 July 2020 09: 03
                  -2
                  "And Russia is developing, read the amendments" On paper. But in reality? Even in the early 2000s, they still flew the TU, Yak in civil aviation. Now there are solid Boeings and Airbuses. You are scribbling these comments at the computer, which was made in the enemy USA. What is the enemy product used for? And whose mobile phone do you have? Obviously not Russian. TV, microwave, kettle in the kitchen?
                  You can write anything on paper. Unfortunately, the reality is different.
                  1. Vend
                    Vend 3 July 2020 10: 11
                    -3
                    Quote: Maxim L
                    "And Russia is developing, read the amendments" On paper. But in reality? Even in the early 2000s, they still flew the TU, Yak in civil aviation. Now there are solid Boeings and Airbuses. You are scribbling these comments at the computer, which was made in the enemy USA. What is the enemy product used for? And whose mobile phone do you have? Obviously not Russian. TV, microwave, kettle in the kitchen?
                    You can write anything on paper. Unfortunately, the reality is different.

                    And in reality, Russia is also developing, in the USSR cars were bought standing in line for several years, in the 90s foreign cars were rare, bandits drove them more often, and now anyone can afford a foreign car, there are so many cars on the roads that traffic jams even provincial cities. People began to live poorly? And you look at what phones are those who rally against Russia and Putin laughing And what is the fact that our production is lagging behind, thanks to sanctions, the development of Russian production has begun. And you compare TU and Yak with Boeing and who will win the competition? But if you compare Boeing and Sukhoi Superjet, you know ours is not worse, and in some moments even better. So everything develops and does not stand still. And competition is such a thing, then the one who has the best brains wins. What do you think if you do not vote for amendments or remove Putin, then everything will become Russian at once and will surpass foreign analogues? Don't be funny laughing And it was not under Putin that the demolition of Russian production began; under Putin, the rise of Russian production began. In the military industry, aircraft manufacturing, automobile industry, etc.
                    1. Maxim L
                      Maxim L 3 July 2020 17: 07
                      -2
                      "and now anyone can afford a foreign car, there are so many cars on the roads that there are traffic jams even in provincial cities" The number of cars per capita has grown all over the world, and not only in Russia.
                      "And you look at what phones those who rally against Russia and Putin have" The same as yours - imported. If tomorrow there will be a military conflict with the United States or China, then will you remain without communication? You don't have your own phones. And without computers and heaps of household appliances too
                      "And you compare TU and YAK with Boeing and who will win the competition? But if you compare Boeing and Sukhoi Superjet, you know ours is just as good, and in some moments even better." Why do Russian companies fly on Boeing or Airbuses? Hedgehogs injected, but continued to eat cacti?
                      "And the competition is such a thing, here the one with the best brains wins." Exactly. And judging by the fact that goods are imported everywhere, brains are clearly not ours better
                      "Do you think that if you do not vote for the amendments or remove Putin, then everything will immediately become Russian and surpass foreign counterparts?" No, I don't. Maybe yes maybe no. It depends on many factors. But to sit and be silent for all the chaos that is happening is also wrong. The more people are silent, the more power becomes impudent
                      "Putin began scrapping Russian production, under Putin the rise of Russian production began. In the military industry, aircraft construction, the automobile industry, etc." He has been reigning for 20 years, but there are no visual results. China has a good visual result, while Russia does not.
              2. Campanella
                Campanella 2 July 2020 22: 19
                -2
                The meaning of comparing is not comparable?
                We are not Chinese and God forgive Europeans.
          3. WILL
            WILL 2 July 2020 14: 36
            -13%
            Well, for people like you - just one, not even a thought, but a reflection of the thought ... plunge the country into chaos. Only you will not succeed, People - came to the polls and Voted! This is what makes you "root". laughing
            It’s a pity, not all the “Vlasovites” were killed, some were able to give offspring. Well, nothing, there is still time.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 July 2020 14: 58
              +20
              Alas, it is you and your kind that are pushing the country to chaos. Putin's stability leads us into a revolutionary situation by leaps and bounds, and the longer it lasts, the stronger the crisis will be.
              1. WILL
                WILL 2 July 2020 15: 08
                -13%
                I won’t even put you a minus. Such as "we" - Defended Our Country, and people like you - somehow quickly forgot who was not afraid to go to Dagestan, talked with ordinary people ... and Stopped this bodyagi.
                I was a member of the “second” War, talked with the participants of the first, these are Two Big Differences.
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 July 2020 16: 31
                  +16
                  Quote: ANIMAL
                  Such as "we" - Defended Our Country

                  Yes, they did. Now lead into chaos. Putin was not a bad president, he did a lot during the first presidential term, but in the second term (although there were certain achievements behind him) he exhausted himself. And you continue to applaud him - for the old merits, not noticing that Putin’s inability to understand the problems of economics, medicine, education and much more, his revival of the stagnant CPSU (namely, the stagnant, not what happened in the first half of the XNUMXth century) in United Russia, etc. lead us to collapse.
                  1. WILL
                    WILL 2 July 2020 16: 55
                    -11%
                    Well, let me ask a question? Who can replace him (Putin) now? A couple of last names please.
                    Well, such a huge country can not change the steering without consequences! I - I definitely live better than 90 ... what about and I wish everyone.
                    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 July 2020 17: 10
                      +15
                      There are many such people. The problem is that they are not media, their names are not well known. Just as no one once knew Putin, but he turned out to be a better president than Yeltsin.
                    2. WILL
                      WILL 2 July 2020 17: 14
                      -6
                      Here ... again, there are Many ... Well, Where Are They? With respect to your publications, I can’t afford to have a catch phrase ... Name, Give Name Sister!
                    3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 July 2020 10: 56
                      +2
                      Quote: ANIMAL
                      Here ... again, there are Many ... Well, Where Are They?

                      They work for themselves :)))) Some in the government, some in the authorities, some in the industry.
                      Quote: ANIMAL
                      I can not afford the winged expression ... Name, Give Name Sister!

                      Alas, I can’t give you a name. My level is not so high as to know real, but not media presidential candidates. I know a person who could grow to this post over time, but his name will not tell you anything at all
                  2. Maxim L
                    Maxim L 2 July 2020 18: 23
                    +2
                    Write everything correctly. Everything in Russia is moving towards what is now in Belarus. The opponent Lukashenko simple normal can not appear, because once a person who disagrees with Lukashenko becomes even a little known, they immediately put him in prison, expel him from the country, etc.
                  3. Alex777
                    Alex777 2 July 2020 21: 51
                    -4
                    Hello Andrey!
                    Why are you sure that GDP will not leave at the end of the current term?
                    As for his achievements for the second parish, Crimea is obviously ours.
                    And the difficulties that appeared after 2014 due to sanctions - nothing compared to what could have happened if the Crimea had not returned?
                    The army during this time (especially with the advent of Shoigu) also stepped up significantly. You can’t not understand all this?
                    And product independence? Since tsarist times it has not been.
                    At the same time, the GDP is achieving results with those personnel that it has. And he is preparing new ones. The social elevator is slowly starting up, although everything is going very hard.
                    I have listed what is lying on the surface at all, because VO is not the right place, and the time is not right to describe the results in detail. hi
                  4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 July 2020 11: 24
                    +4
                    Quote: Alex777
                    Why are you sure that GDP will not leave at the end of the current term?

                    Yeah. He gathered the sole power for himself, built a one-party system organized on the principle of personal devotion, organized a guard to avoid, zeroed out the presidential term - and left. wassat
                    Quote: Alex777
                    As for his achievements for the second parish, Crimea is obviously ours.

                    Alexander :)))) You this Crimea eyes are locked on the real state of affairs. Putin did not have a goal to overcome Crimea. Putin wanted a Customs Union that would include post-Soviet countries including Ukraine. And when Putin did persuade Yanukovych to join this alliance, outside forces intervene, organize an orange revolution, and create a state openly hostile to us from Ukraine.
                    So, for a second. We have a president - an officer of the FSB. We have a Russian-speaking country near by, it borders directly with us, with which we were connected with many economic, and simply family ties. How did we manage to allow a coup in this country? How could we miss US intervention at the coup? What, Carl? !!
                    The coup in Ukraine is the most severe defeat of the Russian Federation in the field of foreign policy. And, excuse me, I can’t name anyone guilty except Putin. What did our ambassador do? Where was our residency?
                    And this enchanting fiasco actually left us as many as 2 ways out - to remain silent, come to terms with the falling away of Ukraine and say goodbye to the Black Sea. Russia has not tolerated a greater geopolitical defeat since the time of the Brest-Litovsk Peace ... Or to recapture the Crimea, but thereby give a formal reason to unleash all the dogs on us, get sanctions and other problems on its head. The second is obviously better, and I am glad that Putin chose this option. But this is not a victory. This is "a good thing when playing bad".
                    Quote: Alex777
                    And the difficulties that appeared after 2014 due to sanctions - nothing compared to what could have happened if the Crimea had not returned?

                    And there would be no difficulties if the Russian Federation did not allow a coup in Ukraine. But Putin lost the game with a bang, and the United States won. Sanctions are a consequence of Putin’s loss in Ukraine.
                    Quote: Alex777
                    The army during this time (especially with the advent of Shoigu) also stepped up significantly. You can’t not understand all this?

                    Yes, I took a step. But the only thing that can be seen in Putin’s merit is that after 10 years of his presidency, he finally began to allocate funds for the Russian armed forces. The rest of his actions (Serdyukov, etc.) struck much better than the notorious 1937.
                    Quote: Alex777
                    And product independence? Since tsarist times it has not been.

                    So she is still gone. And the availability of own products in comparison with the USSR in the Russian Federation now and does not lie nearby.
                    Quote: Alex777
                    At the same time, the GDP is achieving results with those personnel that it has.

                    Yes, one of his problems as a leader is his complete inability to form capable teams. So what kind of personnel are the results.
                    Quote: Alex777
                    And he is preparing new ones.

                    That's just 90% of appointments in the Russian Federation for responsible posts are characterized by the fact that people come much worse than previous ones
                    Quote: Alex777
                    The social elevator is slowly starting up, although everything is going very hard.

                    Excuse me, do you yourself believe in what you say? A social elevator implies equal opportunities, but where do we have equality if the quality of education and medical services drops? We have here the triumph of capitalism in the ugliest form, and you are talking about some kind of social elevators ...
                  5. Alex777
                    Alex777 3 July 2020 13: 42
                    -1
                    Yeah. He gathered the sole power for himself, built a one-party system organized on the principle of personal devotion, organized a guard to avoid, zeroed out the presidential term - and left.

                    Let's point by point:
                    1. Sole power he got from EBN almost ready.
                    2. I do not like the one-party system, but that in tsarist times, that in the USSR, that now the leadership was one-man.
                    3. A multi-party system is a good thing. In our conditions, it is like football (who has money, he has clubs).
                    The Communist Party and Yabloko lived (and I won’t be surprised that they live now) with Khodorkovsky’s money.
                    Corruption in the judiciary is the result, including its focused efforts over the years. There is no place and time to develop this topic. But what GDP is now talking about MBH, I knew back in the mid 90's.
                    4. The Rosguard is needed because the minority should not dictate to the majority. And the Rosgvardia will not save from the majority. Zolotov in the discussion with Navalny looked like a complete idiot. But the ability to present oneself on a public plane is not given to everyone. I studied for many years, until something started to work out.
                    Putin did not have a goal to overcome Crimea. Putin wanted a Customs Union that would include post-Soviet countries including Ukraine. And when Putin did persuade Yanukovych to join this alliance, outside forces intervene, organize an orange revolution, and create a state openly hostile to us from Ukraine.

                    I do not agree on all points. I will explain why:
                    1. In Crimea, the goal was because the US plans to deploy the US NAVY base there were known.
                    2. Kuchma also said: Ukraine is not Russia. GDP was not close to power. With Kravchuk, the States worked to create a hostile state.
                    3. You are missing out on the tremendous work of the States in building the Trans-Atlantic Partnership. The main goal of the "deep state" (GG) under which such interests and money were summed up, to resist which was life-threatening.
                    You have an analytical mindset. Analyze what was there.
                    What I saw there: US laws extended to the EU. Commercial agreements between corporations took precedence over national law. The EU, in fact, became the American state.
                    As I see it, the EU was created by the States in order to legitimize the permanent occupation of Germany in exchange for providing it with a European market. The United States gave Germany what it fought in two world wars.
                    Why did I go so sideways? Because the topic of exchange is the basis of Atlantic relations. And it was Trump who faked it when he threw the candy to Merkel and said: "Don't tell Angela anymore that I am not giving you anything."
                    So that's it. In exchange for becoming another US state, the EU, according to the GG's plan, received Ukraine prepared for "absorption", with the prospect of entering Russia. That is why, when the fool Yanukovych refused to sign an agreement with the EU (the first step towards takeover), no one began to talk to him about anything, but a program was launched to destroy him.
                    In these conditions, it is extremely unreasonable to show the GDP that he "missed" Ukraine.
                  6. Alex777
                    Alex777 3 July 2020 14: 16
                    0
                    I will continue ...
                    You are fundamentally wrong. It was not the EU and the USA that prevented Ukraine from joining the Eurasian Economic Community, but GDP for $ 3 billion merely failed the West’s attempt to finally unite.
                    Why trump hollow Russian theme? Because IMHO, that he trans-Atlantic partnership was finally buried. Therefore, Ukraine is not on its agenda at all. And those who have been preparing the final takeover of Europe for decades (in exchange for development in our direction) want to demolish it at all costs. Like Yanukovych once.
                    A separate topic, what are they going to do when they digest Ukraine?
                    It seems to me that Russia is next in line. All is serious. Therefore, amendments to the Constitution went. Therefore, it was a question of sanctions personally against GDP. He knows too much and effectively frustrates the most important plans of the GG.
                    I come back to your theses.
                    Yanukovych thought of nothing but re-election. And according to his estimates, $ 15 billion was enough for him. I know it first hand.
                    IMHO, when GDP gave him the first 3 billion. He knew for sure that there would be no one else to pay the remaining 12.
                    I myself saw how the GDP said - we knew about the plans for the organization of the Maidan. But it started a few months earlier.
                    I have been following for a long time how GDP solves problems. The leader himself is almost 30 years old. So subtly lay down the situation in order to provoke a coup and give the Nazis, on whom the GG bet was made (and not by Yanukovych or someone else), to prove themselves in all their glory and intimidate both the Crimea and the Donbass - almost no one except him.
                    That is why, consciously, with an understanding of all the less significant shortcomings, I support Putin as President.
                    That is why h sure that he will not go to the 5th term.
                    I know that he is cooking for himself instead of the post of President.
                    He is a specialist in foreign policy. She will be engaged. In a new quality. bully
                    The presentation is how messy. I rarely do this. But I hope I could convey the picture.hi
                  7. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 July 2020 21: 16
                    +1
                    Good evening! hi
                    Quote: Alex777
                    1. Sole power he got from EBN almost ready.

                    Quite the contrary - under Yeltsin, both governors and mayors were elected, and subjects had many rights. Perhaps even more than necessary. This is not to mention too many new Russian oligarchs who have imagined themselves. And there was no one-party system in politics.
                    Quote: Alex777
                    2. I do not like the one-party system, but that in tsarist times, that in the USSR, that now the leadership was one-man.

                    You are mistaken a little more than completely. In the old days, under the tsar-priest there was a boyar Duma, and it was far from always (more precisely, almost never) that it was not submissive, but very actively defended its interests. And in our enlightened age, the Duma was not so tame that it arranged for Nicholas II to be removed from office. Compare with our today's thought.
                    In the USSR, however, the rule of the Politburo. An exception can be called unless the period I.V. Stalin from 1930 to 1953
                    Quote: Alex777
                    3. A multi-party system is a good thing. In our conditions, it is like football (who has money, he has clubs).

                    That is why Putin should have created a two-party system in which each of the parties would have money, but which would have conflicting interests and fight for each other for them.
                    Quote: Alex777
                    Rosguard is needed because the minority should not dictate to the majority.

                    Please decipher this wonderful thesis. Which minority encroaches on the dictates of the majority? Well, besides Putin, of course.
                    Quote: Alex777
                    1. In Crimea, the goal was because the US plans to deploy the US NAVY base there were known.

                    The US Navy plans could not be realized when Ukraine entered the vehicle.
                    Quote: Alex777
                    2. Kuchma also said: Ukraine is not Russia. GDP was not close to power. With Kravchuk, the States worked to create a hostile state.

                    But Putin had 14 years and all the economic and geopolitical prerequisites so that Ukraine would not become hostile to us.
                    Quote: Alex777
                    3. You are missing out on the tremendous work of the States in building the Trans-Atlantic Partnership. The main goal of the "deep state" (GG) under which such interests and money were summed up, to resist which was life-threatening.

                    Should I recall that the terrible transatlantic partnership that turns the whole world into another American state did not take place because the United States was sent in three letters by “silent” Europeans? And they didn’t seem to have killed anyone in Europe ...
                    Quote: Alex777
                    So that's it. In exchange for becoming another US state, the EU, according to the GG's plan, received Ukraine prepared for "absorption", with the prospect of entering Russia.

                    Why should Europe absorb the impoverished Ukraine? Who needs it in Europe? This is not a gift, but an encumbrance. We should pay extra for it, but you show it as a reward :)))
                    Quote: Alex777
                    It was not the EU and the USA that prevented Ukraine from joining the Eurasian Economic Community, but GDP for $ 3 billion merely failed the West’s attempt to finally unite.

                    Forgive me, maybe I just don’t understand what you want to tell me. But what I hear now seems to me a completely illogical conspiracy thesis.
                    The West is today a very heterogeneous entity in this EU. And for most Europeans, further expansion to the East is not particularly necessary - there are many problems with this, but no profit. They have enough problems with the "new Europeans".
                    Quote: Alex777
                    It seems to me that Russia is next in line. All is serious. Therefore, amendments to the Constitution went.

                    Are you kidding me like that? The changes in no way protect the Russian Federation from such plans. Are we seriously puzzled by world law, holding a referendum in Crimea? :)
                    Quote: Alex777
                    I myself saw how the GDP said - we knew about the plans for the organization of the Maidan. But it started a few months earlier.

                    Alex, this is completely uninteresting. In Ukraine, local specific princes mean a lot, which could be persuaded by future preferences, the residency in the country of our language and with such kindred ties is generally built at a time. The economy of Ukraine is tied to the Russian Federation, not the United States. And the USA, by the way, speaking, did not invest much in Ukraine. If these are not preferential conditions for work, then I don’t know what preferential conditions are.
                    Quote: Alex777
                    I have been following for a long time how GDP solves problems.

                    So do I.
                    Quote: Alex777
                    The leader himself is almost 30 years old.

                    I have been managing people for over 20 years
                    Quote: Alex777
                    So subtly lay down the situation in order to provoke a coup and give the Nazis, on whom the GG bet was made (and not by Yanukovych or someone else), to prove themselves in all their glory and intimidate both the Crimea and the Donbass - almost no one except him.

                    another HPP? :))) Sorry, but I can not take this seriously. In a game where all the trump cards were in Putin's hands, he loses, and you say "it couldn't have been otherwise."
                    Quote: Alex777
                    The presentation is how messy. I rarely do this. But I hope I could convey the picture.

                    “I do not share your beliefs, but I am ready to die for your right to express them” hi
                  8. Alex777
                    Alex777 3 July 2020 23: 30
                    +2
                    Andrew!
                    In the 90s, regularly visited Chelyabinsk, on affairs of the Central Bank. Hello to your city! wink
                    And in our enlightened age, the Duma was not so tame that it arranged for Nicholas II to be removed from office.

                    But didn’t the army take part in this? And I understand her.
                    Although the speech against the Commander-in-Chief during the war was something.
                    That is why Putin should have created a two-party system in which each of the parties would have money, but which would have conflicting interests and fight for each other for them.

                    There are few real rioters, and there are no leaders. smile
                    Spravorossy declared so. "The second leg of power". But they merged.
                    Should I recall that the terrible transatlantic partnership that turns the whole world into another American state did not take place due to the fact that the United States was sent in three letters by “silent” Europeans?

                    IMHO Trump sent him. For this, they have been beaten by his ties with Russia.
                    In Ukraine, local specific princes mean a lot, which could be persuaded by future preferences

                    In the 2010s, I talked closely with one such specific billionaire. wink A good project was prepared in Russia. He even offered him to move to the GDP, after the boom in Cyprus. But then he had no understanding why he needed it.
                    “I do not share your beliefs, but I am ready to die for your right to express them”

                    Similarly! drinks
                    Wait a little while. Thoughts I threw. If you do not disappear from the site, in a year we can discuss how everything turned out. hi
                  9. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 July 2020 10: 27
                    0
                    Quote: Alex777
                    In the 90s, regularly visited Chelyabinsk, on affairs of the Central Bank. Hello to your city!

                    Yes, I’m only visiting it now, but I’ll definitely give it :)))
                    Quote: Alex777
                    But didn’t the army take part in this? And I understand her.

                    Everyone participated there, but the fact is that the strongest, most active and consistent opposition was formed precisely in the Duma :))) And even before the overthrow, the Duma periodically rejected tsarist undertakings.
                    Quote: Alex777
                    There are few real rioters, and there are no leaders.

                    Alas, there was probably no architect here ...
                    Quote: Alex777
                    If you do not disappear from the site, in a year we can discuss how everything turned out.

                    Why should I disappear from it? I’m somehow already used to it :))))) So - we will discuss without fail!
            2. Iwan_de
              Iwan_de 13 July 2020 20: 27
              0
              Hey. Not quite right. The EU was created without fs.litle Britannien. Cossack fsha. Tablecloth road.
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 2 July 2020 22: 03
        -3
        Just as no one once knew Putin, but he turned out to be a better president than Yeltsin.

        Remember how difficult it was at first?
        For the first two or three years, there was a struggle for survival.
        Tell me, who do you think is able to work as much as he is?
        Or with what other leader can it be compared in terms of performance?
        That it is necessary to prepare a replacement is undoubted.
        GDP is not getting younger and he understands everything.
        One of the main tasks for the remaining 4 years will be the successor. IMHO. hi
      3. DVR
        DVR 3 July 2020 08: 28
        0
        Alexander, reverence hi Something has dried up our opponents - a sad mooing and nothing intelligible. All the "hackneyed mantras" had no effect, it is so boring to listen to them. Well, at least something new would be added, no "food" for the mind smile
      4. Alex777
        Alex777 3 July 2020 11: 01
        0
        Hello colleague!
        To be honest, I am not a supporter of the "polarization of society".
        I am closer to combining healthy forces to move forward.
        The only way that can improve our lives.
        I hope that critical thinking will help get rid of mantras. Let not immediately. hi
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 July 2020 11: 25
      +5
      Quote: Alex777
      Tell me, who do you think is able to work as much as he is?

      Yes, anyone. I can tell you dozens of people whose working day reaches 16-18 hours a day.
      The main thing, generally speaking, is not work, but the results of this work
    3. Alex777
      Alex777 3 July 2020 12: 56
      -1
      Yes, anyone. I can tell you dozens of people whose working day reaches 16-18 hours a day.
      The main thing, generally speaking, is not work, but the results of this work.

      Anyone cannot be president. I am sure about that.
      Navalny cannot be the President. Khodorkovsky.
      As for personalities, the leaders of states I know work less than GDP. hi
      Results, yes ... No matter how Zelensky is in the office, nothing KVM will improve.
    4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 July 2020 13: 07
      +4
      Alex, you will excuse me, but you have no idea how much Putin works and how many - the heads of other states. Neither I nor you have such data. Is that ... You are not the archangel Gabriel by chance? :)
    5. Alex777
      Alex777 3 July 2020 14: 21
      0
      I understand your irony. But I have an international activity and a high-level circle of friends.
      How and how much EBN worked, I knew from the head of his protocol. wink
      In one handshake.
      How and how much Nazarbayev worked - from Zam. Chairman of the KNB.
      Etc. etc. hi
    6. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 July 2020 21: 22
      +1
      Quote: Alex777
      I understand your irony. But I have an international activity and a high-level circle of friends.

      Well, I have no reason not to trust your words. So, we will consider you the archangel laughing drinks
      Quote: Alex777
      How and how much EBN worked, I knew from the head of his protocol.

      OK, but still you raised the question differently
      Quote: Alex777
      Tell me, who do you think is able to work as much as he is?

      and so I answered him. We now have a lot of people working 24/7 - I am familiar with many middle-class businessmen, they spin like squirrels in a wheel, they simply have no rest. Yes, there are businessmen - at one factory in Transbaikalia I personally observed the picture when leaving the head of the workshop at 01.00-02.00 and attending the morning meeting was the norm ...
    7. Alex777
      Alex777 3 July 2020 23: 09
      +1
      for the shop manager to leave work from 01.00-02.00 and to attend the morning meeting at 07.00 was the norm ...

      Bonaparte worked like that. wink
      He laid the foundations that France still lives on them.
      I can't do that ... request
      Age. hi
  • Svarog
    Svarog 2 July 2020 15: 27
    +9
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Alas, it’s you and others like you who are pushing the country to chaos

    Unfortunately the putreoty don't understand this. It amazes me that the population of Russia has been shrinking from year to year, the economy has been using raw materials for 30 years, the population is already almost completely self-sufficient, that is, it does not see any benefits from the state, it only sees an increase in taxes, fines and other "niggas", everything is degrading, well, maybe defense industry is still afloat .. And people zealously defend all this .. Here's how to understand it?
    How did the USSR manage to fulfill its social obligations to citizens, which, by the way, were twice as many, while they also contained half the world ... and now, all by themselves .. but where is the difference where the money goes?
    Do you really have any questions when the putriots will start to think critically?
    1. WILL
      WILL 2 July 2020 18: 04
      -10%
      Dear, where are you? State Department extortion? Who is behind you? Bulk and others like them?
      I was always amazed how the inconspicuous layer of Our society - knows how to stir up ... not even water, so - fart is not obvious, but disgusting.
      Went out of the Country, the Vlasov litter.
    2. mark2
      mark2 2 July 2020 18: 21
      -2
      I quote: Ivan Vasilievich, when you say, it feels like you are raving. (FROM)
      You better think about yourself, do not think for the people.
    3. Maxim L
      Maxim L 2 July 2020 18: 49
      +4
      Wild zombies. I completely agree with everything that you have listed. People simply cannot think critically. Realistically assess what is happening. Understand how things really are.
    4. Campanella
      Campanella 2 July 2020 22: 25
      -5
      I explain why I voted for amendments to the Constitution.
      I'm not a fan of Putin, I have never voted for him and I won’t. All the time for the Communists.
      The constitution by which we live Yeltsin's burping, we can say the people have never accepted it. Therefore, this can and should be corrected, but it is better to take the Soviet as a basis and write a new one.
    5. FRoman1984
      FRoman1984 3 July 2020 07: 45
      +1
      Quote: Svarog
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Alas, it’s you and others like you who are pushing the country to chaos

      Unfortunately the putreoty don't understand this. It amazes me that the population of Russia has been shrinking from year to year, the economy has been using raw materials for 30 years, the population is already almost completely self-sufficient, that is, it does not see any benefits from the state, it only sees an increase in taxes, fines and other "niggas", everything is degrading, well, maybe defense industry is still afloat .. And people zealously defend all this .. Here's how to understand it?
      How did the USSR manage to fulfill its social obligations to citizens, which, by the way, were twice as many, while they also contained half the world ... and now, all by themselves .. but where is the difference where the money goes?
      Do you really have any questions when the putriots will start to think critically?

      How to where? Timchenko, Rotenbergs, this degenerate from the Russian Guard, Sechin, etc.
      They all became dollar billionaires. Not because of talent, hard work like Gates, Jobs, but simply sucked to power.
  • Campanella
    Campanella 2 July 2020 22: 21
    -3
    It's too late! Only Putin himself can steer if he can. He drove the situation strongly into a dead end.
  • Maxim L
    Maxim L 2 July 2020 18: 15
    +7
    You have only slogans. See for yourself. Russia is a huge country with a bunch of resources. But all this is stolen and squandered. If the USSR was to be respected for, then Russia is gone. Civil aviation moved to Boeing and Airbus. All electronics are made by other countries. You have no mobile phones, no computers. You are losing space at a tremendous pace.
    The same China is far ahead of you. If during the collapse of the USSR, China was a completely antediluvian country in terms of technology, now they already have a bunch of their own companies producing mobile phones, modems, various electronics, etc. This is all they have developed over the past 30 years. What have you developed? Only sell resources. And that goes into the pocket not of the people, but only a handful of the elect
    1. WILL
      WILL 2 July 2020 18: 21
      -8
      Quote: Maxim L
      You have only slogans. See for yourself. Russia is a huge country with a bunch of resources. But all this is stolen and squandered. If the USSR was to be respected for, then Russia is gone. Civil aviation moved to Boeing and Airbus. All electronics are made by other countries. You have no mobile phones, no computers. You are losing space at a tremendous pace.
      The same China is far ahead of you. If during the collapse of the USSR, China was a completely antediluvian country in terms of technology, now they already have a bunch of their own companies producing mobile phones, modems, various electronics, etc. This is all they have developed over the past 30 years. What have you developed? Only sell resources. And that goes into the pocket not of the people, but only a handful of the elect

      Where are you writing from? I live in Russia! I use the appeal from us! And I have done the drum - to your views. Such "banderlogs" - exponentially Hanged, but not all apparently ....
      1. Maxim L
        Maxim L 2 July 2020 18: 59
        +8
        I am Belarus and live in Minsk.
        "And I don't really care about your views. What kind of" Banderlog "is indicative of Hanging, but not all apparently ...." You only have dull anger and aggression. You cannot say anything sensible or clever. And you don't want to. It seems that you cannot conduct a constructive dialogue. Wake up and see what happens to Russia
        1. Over the past 30 years, China has developed its brands of mobile phones, modems, etc. Yes, I developed it so that even in the US state institutions they were put up until recently. What have you developed?
        2. China has a bunch of industries. This is a factory of the world. You only live on the sale of resources. Will you deny that the basis of Russia's budget is the sale of oil and gas? And with all this, money is still being stolen en masse. The crumbs reach the people
        3. Space also merges successfully. The number of launches in Russia is falling every year. At the same time, accidents are growing. Those. the percentage of successful launches is much worse than during the collapse of the USSR. In China, on the contrary, the number of starts is growing, and the number of errors is falling. Yes, now Russia is still ahead of China in general terms. But these are the merits of the USSR, and not of present-day Russia. What will happen in 20 years if this trend continues
        And similar items can be listed for a very long time
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 20: 20
        +1
        It is funny to hear accusations of Bandera and Vlasovshchina from a supporter of the power of Bandera and Vlasovists.
    2. Alex777
      Alex777 2 July 2020 22: 14
      -4
      What have you developed? Only sell resources. And that goes into the pocket not of the people, but only a handful of the elect

      Very stupid. The budget of our country is formed from the income from resources of a citizen of Belarus? Do not know? lol
      Or do you know where income from resources goes into the pocket of the people?
      I knew 2 examples. Gaddafi, with his sad fate and Saudi where the shop closed this year. Maybe there is another example? wink
      Why does your AHL do not ask for discounts on oil / gas all the time, but demand? Reduces our budget with all kinds of banks to the West?
      Civil aviation moved to Boeing and Airbus.

      And the fact that 30% of the parts for them are manufactured from titanium, do you know?
      You have the rest of the statements at such a level that I don’t even want to spend time on comments. hi
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 8 July 2020 13: 06
        0
        Quote: Alex777
        Do you know where income from resources goes into the pocket of the people?
        I knew 2 examples. Gaddafi, with his sad fate and Saudi where the shop closed this year. Maybe there is another example?

        Norway - doesn’t count?
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 8 July 2020 15: 03
          0
          Tell me, please, how do Norwegians get money from the Sovereign Pension Fund?
          It is curious that the Norwegians periodically turn to the fund with a request to receive a share “due” to them. Even in the fall of last year, such appeals became more than usual. Not everyone asks to give them all 200 thousand dollars at once, some, by the way, ask only a few crowns for a bottle of soda. However, the authorities, of course, disappointed some Norwegians, explaining to them that it is impossible to take money from the fund, because all this is stored for future generations, conditionally, when Norway's oil and gas completely disappear.

          https://vz.ru/economy/2020/5/12/1038461.html
    3. mark2
      mark2 3 July 2020 17: 24
      0
      [quote] All electronics are made by other countries / quote]
      Not all, but only household, by the way a lot of consumer electronics is localized in the Russian Federation. And immediately I answer about screwdriver production. In the US, iPhones and computers are not made from the word at all. All microelectronics manufacturing in Asia.
      [quote] You do not have your own mobile phones, not computers. [/ quote]
      Actually there is both that and another and not only the etaphone. Take an interest in a network. And yes, you Belarusians have nothing.
      [quote] Space you lose at a tremendous pace [/ quote]
      This is who told you. Complete nonsense.
      [quote] This is all they have developed over the past 30 years [/ quote]
      They were allowed to develop this, due to the fact that the markets of the USA and Europe were open. And so would figs there.
      [quote] Only resources to sell [/ quote]
      All who have the resources are trying to sell them. Including the USA. But in Europe and China they are few and they are willing to buy them.
      And do not bawl that Russia lives only for resources. For resources live Qatar and the Emirates. And the United States lives off of paper production. In my entire life, I have not seen a single purely American product except marlboro.
      Russia produces a lot of things, believe me. And do not believe, so check. Google to the rescue.
  • Maxim L
    Maxim L 2 July 2020 18: 27
    +6
    You carry such nonsense. I never advocated selling to the West. I stand for the need to develop. And under Putin, solid corruption and degradation. Compare the development of China and Russia over the past 30 years. China, not bowing to the West, has made great strides. But Russia under Putin can only exploit the merits of the USSR. Because no merits
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 2 July 2020 22: 23
      -3
      Belarus. You carry such nonsense as if a lad of garments, and not a Belarusian. lol
      See do not choke on malice. wink
      You have AHL for sure for life ..
      And then the son will be. Like in the DPRK. bully
      1. Maxim L
        Maxim L 3 July 2020 09: 13
        0
        "You then AHL for life ... And then the son will be. As in the DPRK." So it's scary. It's just awful. In fact, we have had less than 50% for Lukashenka for a long time. He turned into a real dictator. On the street I can grab and plant for any kind of disagreement. You can simply wear a T-shirt "I am against Lukashenko" or even simply "I am against" and you can be detained and a fine of $ 500-1000 can be imposed on you. There is no law at all. Every year more and more. With such a pace, it will soon really be the same as in the DPRK
        Naturally, I do not like it all. And Russia and Putin are following the same path. If you have laws, then Russia accepts the same thing as in Belarus. As if Belarus is a testing ground. Raised the retirement age in Belarus? So in Russia, the same thing after 1,5 years. In Belarus, Luka changed the constitution so that he could be elected for a longer term. In Russia, the same thing. In Belarus every year more and more prohibit any form of disagreement - you have the same thing.
        If this continues, then Belarus is not far from the level of the DPRK. I don’t want to live in such a country. We'll have to leave. I would have moved to Russia better. But if you have the same changes, then it makes sense to change the "awl for soap". Then we'll have to look for other countries. What I would not like.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 3 July 2020 09: 57
          -2
          In Belarus, Luka changed the constitution so that he could be elected for a longer term. In Russia, the same thing.

          I believe that GDP will not go to the 5th term. I have the right and reason to think so.
          In Belarus every year more and more prohibit any form of disagreement - you have the same thing.

          Most disagree with you. wink
          The very situation on the site indirectly confirms this. No one is shy about scolding power.
          You can move anywhere. But you won’t get away from the sent tests. They must pass. If you know what I mean. hi
          1. Maxim L
            Maxim L 3 July 2020 17: 35
            -2
            "I believe that the GDP will not go for the 5th term. I have the right and reasons to think so." But I'm 99% sure that it will. If I hadn't, I would not have included an item in the constitution about the number of terms
            "The very situation on the site indirectly confirms this. No one is ashamed to criticize the authorities." In the Internet. Anonymously. Welcome to Minsk. Put on the "I am against Lukashenka" T-shirt. Exit it in the city center. Time out how many cops will come to you. Well, if you are a blogger and you have more than 1000 subscribers and you criticize Lukashenka, then feel free to expect guests from the authorities. And if you're unlucky, then also your relatives
            "You can move anywhere. But you will not leave the sent tests." It depends on where and on what conditions to leave
          2. Alex777
            Alex777 3 July 2020 17: 42
            0
            In good times (for the States), I lived and returned to the United States for 10 years.
            You, apparently, are all ahead. wink
            Therefore, I appreciate your opinion, but I remain at my own. bully
            As for your AHL, I can’t stand him from the time when he said: Old Man came for a long time, so get used to it.
            And when this dance with the Union State began - there was only one thought, if only this shot had not reached our helm. The Lord has saved. hi
  • mark2
    mark2 3 July 2020 17: 42
    0
    you carry nonsense. China bowed its head in 1972, after the visit of Richard Nixon, then president of the United States. After this, slowly from China, production gradually began to flow from China to the USA and then Europe. This was done in opposition to the USSR.
    And how do you know about corruption? Do you participate in it? Or did Svarog read here?
  • DVR
    DVR 3 July 2020 08: 19
    -1
    It’s a pity, not all the “Vlasovites” were killed, some were able to give offspring. Well, nothing, there is still time.

    Yes, and they would have killed everyone - there would be no sense. The "uterus" is still alive, is multiplying, and will bring a lot of nasty things. But the main thing is not to lose heart. smile
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 2 July 2020 14: 38
    +8
    Maxim l-you are confusing me with someone, because for criticizing Putin I have repeatedly been in the "bathhouse"! And about the West, I can say straightforwardly that I have heard enough of the former socialist countries of the inhabitants to address Russia and the people myself more than once! So, the west of our country is at least not a friend, but only a pseudo-business partner, at best
    1. Maxim L
      Maxim L 2 July 2020 18: 20
      -2
      "So, the west of our country is at least not a friend, but only a pseudo-business partner, at best." Of course. Nobody argues with this. There are no friends between big countries. I believe that Western countries should be perceived as a competitor, and not as some kind of sacred "devil". Many "Putinists" have the following logic: there is an evil and terrible West. And only Putin can protect us. And it doesn't matter what is going on in the country. This logic is wrong. We cannot close our eyes to corruption and lawlessness within the country. Whatever merits in foreign policy
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 2 July 2020 22: 34
        0
        I'm afraid you're wrong! This competitor is the one who butts you on equal terms. And the west is just an enemy to us!
        1. Maxim L
          Maxim L 3 July 2020 09: 23
          -1
          It is not necessary to build everything into an absolute. This obscures vision and interferes with sober thinking. Even in business, nobody ever competes “honestly”. If possible, dishonest methods are used. So don't make everything absolute
          If you elevate everything to absolute, then why aren't you fighting with Turkey? After all, a couple of years ago, she shot down your fighter jet on the Syrian border. Then I remember half of the Runet was full of slogans "take Istanbul", "we will reach Istanbul". The Russians did not fly to Turkey on vacation. As a result, half a year boiled and calmed down. And now Putin is shaking Erdogan's hand. New contracts are signed. And they do not remember the deceased pilot ...
          1. Campanella
            Campanella 3 July 2020 10: 25
            0
            This is not absolute, this is reality!
            A bad world is better than any good war. Understanding the consequences leads even those who are irreconcilable to constructive results, but reckless ones are treated with war.
  • Pereira
    Pereira 2 July 2020 15: 11
    -4
    1. Great Putin and his government are the best. They are always right. Infallible, ideal, the best 2. The creepy West (religious comparison with devils is appropriate here), which is always wrong.

    Regardless of the answer to claim 1, according to claim 2, the answer is always yes.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 3 July 2020 01: 43
      0
      Drive to the USA. They are waiting for you there. 50 000 cases per day.
      https://vz.ru/news/2020/7/3/1048136.html
  • Urs
    Urs 2 July 2020 23: 07
    -2
    Well, who is holding you here, if you are of course a citizen of Russia.
    Get down to the brothers niggas to the top of the funnel stand there maybe enlightenment will pass
    There is a man, the president I have chosen, is working fine, trying to change something, trying to create a team in order to make Russia stronger and the people of Russia more satisfied with their lives.
    I am not opposed to electing him yet, but there are complaints, there are questions, but at least he does something and does well. And you all groan and look for the guilty. It is contrary to hear this nagging.
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 2 July 2020 16: 24
    -6
    Quote: unaha
    Does it really not bother you that many zealous "patriots" in the parliament, the Federation Council, the government have real estate, residence permits of the "decaying west"?

    Under the new constitution, they are not supposed to have a residence permit.
    1. unaha
      unaha 2 July 2020 16: 46
      +7
      So they had not been supposed to. Do you seriously think that a change in the place of content of a legislative norm will fundamentally change the situation?
      According to the constitution, it is NOT POSSIBLE to Worsen the social conditions of citizens. How did this prevent you from raising your retirement age?
      According to the constitution and the decision of the constitutional court in 1998, Yeltsin was not allowed to zero. Why has the situation changed now?
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 3 July 2020 01: 46
        0
        According to the constitution and the decision of the constitutional court in 1998, Yeltsin was not allowed to zero. Why has the situation changed now?

        Healthy insane pretend to be. wink
        Don't you see the difference between the half-dead alcoholic and the GDP? lol
        1. unaha
          unaha 3 July 2020 08: 57
          0
          No, I don’t see. One is the president of the Russian Federation and the other is the president of the Russian Federation. Personal qualities here play absolutely no role.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 3 July 2020 09: 59
            -1
            Comrade Stalin also said that cadres decide everything. wink
            Amendments to the GDP prepared to consolidate this too.
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  • Maxim L
    Maxim L 2 July 2020 13: 35
    +14
    I completely agree. You forgot to write more about those who support this power. Many themselves live in full [censored]. The authorities do not consider them for people. All sorts of chunush are doing what they want, their children live consider ordinary people to be the lowest grade. But at the same time there are a lot of ordinary people who still support such power
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 2 July 2020 15: 14
      +4
      Remember collectivization. With fists it’s clear. What are the Podkulakites fighting for?
  • U-58
    U-58 2 July 2020 14: 34
    0
    And that’s true ..
  • Finches
    Finches 2 July 2020 13: 02
    0
    The best assessment of the correctness of voting !!
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 2 July 2020 13: 13
    +24
    Yes, no one here hides why all this was carried out.

    Peskov: “In fact, a de facto referendum on confidence in President Putin took place” (c)
    1. tatra
      tatra 2 July 2020 13: 29
      +8
      Here's an honest confession - for the sake of what it was all about. Probably, now the authorities are making fun of the suckers who flooded to vote for the "amendments".
      1. Maxim L
        Maxim L 2 July 2020 13: 41
        +8
        So why not laugh? If suckers allow themselves to rob? If the suckers are not at all against the fact that officials do not consider them people. If a bunch of officials' kids are openly posted on their social networks, they despise all kinds of playboys from the working class
      2. St Petrov
        St Petrov 2 July 2020 13: 41
        -8
        now the authorities are scoffing at the suckers who trampled vote for "amendments"

        and you are sad with America, the communist-VO wassat
        Emo communism is when for communism in the Russian Federation and for the leaders of the communists (sternin) - Omerica drowns

        Well, what do you think to do with America, how will you tame a bear? Need more grants or what? Will you work on the bugs?

        It would be ideal for you - to prohibit voting in the Russian Federation, otherwise the voice of the people you, a sad character, do not like for 20 years

        But nothing, I think, be patient. You know how to do perfectly.

        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 20: 23
          -2
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          and then the voice of the people you, a sad character, do not like for 20 years

          The voice of the people that all these 20 years have been deceiving in the most shameless way.
      3. lopvlad
        lopvlad 2 July 2020 13: 48
        +14
        Quote: tatra
        Likely, now in power they’re smacking suckers


        how laughed in 1996 when everyone voted for the Communist Party and Zyu merged all his voters?
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 2 July 2020 13: 49
          -3
          how laughed in 1996 when everyone voted for the Communist Party and Zyu merged all his voters?

          laughing this is a blow below the belt, although such blows are not terrible for "emo" laughing

          about 1996, he will not answer. Why the Communists and the CPSU merged the country, he also will not answer. And about the bourgeois sterner advanced from emo-communists, he also will not answer.

          Guilty - Putin. This tribe is simple)

          Well, as an option - put a minus and turn away from reality. The battle of emo communists of the 21st century.
          1. Private89
            Private89 2 July 2020 15: 42
            +12
            Why the Communists and the CPSU merged the country, he also will not answer.

            Yes, the answer is simple, they were not real communists, Zu is definitely not a communist, rather an opportunist. Mr., who is certainly not Comrade Putin, has his sins before the people, if you don’t see them, I don’t know, maybe the truth is all right in the country. But it turns out that you live by the principle if everything is OK, then burn everything else with a blue flame, my hut is on the edge. But this is only my assumption that the children did not baptize you, but you have something to think about. And blindly do not believe the authorities, all the same, they will go to the bourgeoisie for the sake of profit, and our power is just bourgeois, and not popular.
          2. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 20: 26
            -4
            Do you need an answer? Rather, a good pendal to forget how to lie.
        2. tatra
          tatra 2 July 2020 14: 00
          +3
          And one can immediately see the ideology of the enemies of the communists, who constantly accuse some people of what others have done. You, the enemies of the communists, how you captured Russia under the cowardly incantations "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame," and you proved that you will never give it up to anyone peacefully. And you have to be an idiot to seriously believe that Yeltsin and the liberals in 1996 could have given Russia back to the communists and their supporters in the elections.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 2 July 2020 14: 30
            +2
            Quote: tatra
            You, the enemies of the communists, how they captured Russia

            Citizen, are you all right with memory? You, the Communists of the late 80s and early 90s, threw Russia to your own devices. Your general secretaries and the rest of the Central Committee-Politburo’s looted and betrayed her and the entire USSR. The entire Russian Forbes segment consists of former communists and party activists of the CPSU and the Central Committee of the Komsomol. Unfortunately, what happened was inevitable, because from the 60s the party elite did not show abilities in the economic construction of the country, consumed the gold reserves accumulated by Stalin and led the Great Country to economic and ideological bankruptcy. Worse than you, the communist idea has no enemies.
          2. bk316
            bk316 2 July 2020 16: 45
            -3
            You enemies of the communists how they captured Russia

            Shaw again? laughing
          3. Alex777
            Alex777 3 July 2020 02: 04
            -1
            And immediately see the ideology of the enemies of the Communists, who constantly accuse some people of what others did

            Who was Khodorkovsky?

            In 1987, when some forms of private enterprise were allowed with the beginning of perestroika in the USSR, Khodorkovsky and his comrades used their Komsomol ties to create, on the basis of the Youth Initiative Fund, the Inter-Branch Center for Scientific and Technical Creativity of Youth (NTTM) under Frunze district committee of the Komsomol under the auspices of the Central Committee of the Komsomol as part of the development of scientific and technical creativity of youth. Thus, Khodorkovsky implemented the next decree of the Communist Party - on the centers of scientific and technical creativity of youth.

            At the early stage of the Center’s existence, Sergei Monakhov supported Khodorkovsky, First Secretary of the Frunze Komsomol District Committee and Igor Smykov, member of SMUiS MGK Komsomol. First Deputy Chairman of the State Committee for Science and Technology of the USSR Ivan Bortnik he personally contributed to the allocation of significant amounts from the state budget for the purchase by the Center of a large batch of IBM PC computers for the USSR State Committee for Science and Technology and the government.

            NTTM engaged import and sale of computers, cooking jeans, sales alcoholic beverages (including fake cognac [), etc. - a business that at that time brought high profits. At the same time, NTTM earned on the so-called cashing out of funds.

            This is a lacquered version of the beginning of the "great" path of MBH.
            And now he is the hope of the humiliated and offended. laughing
            Financier of the Communist Party and Navalny. wink
            Where did Navalny and Rashkin's friendship come from?
            They have one source of money! yes
            Probably with his instructions Zyuganov from victory in 1996 refused. bully
        3. U-58
          U-58 2 July 2020 14: 38
          +1
          Nonsense with a gray beard.
          Already your drain tank does not roll.
          Everything has been known for a long time.
          And how they calculated today, they tested it exactly in 1996
        4. Campanella
          Campanella 2 July 2020 22: 53
          0
          Have you seen the ballots? It’s time to tie up with this fairy tale invented by the Yeltsinoids!
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 2 July 2020 13: 24
    +7
    I join, but not by 3, but by 10-100 letters and generally the entire alphabet ....
    It is known that when the house is on fire, then you need to run and scream loudly: it is on, on, on, on, maybe it will stop burning ...
    Likewise, when blacks, Arabs, and others rebelled over the hill, the louder you shout: Russia violated democracy, democracy is at stake, Putin is a predator that encroaches on our foie gras, broccoli with asparagus and LGBTeshn independence, obviously creating more the strong impression is that everything is in order, the bourgeois prosper and no blacks and Arabs are afraid of us, they ... So shout louder. Crying, yes, they will hear ... As if it weren’t too late, because the house will burn up, what will you do then, run to Russia? ... But, do you need Russia. There are enough of their holy fools and traitors.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 2 July 2020 13: 33
    +10
    Quote: Thrifty

    And, do not send all these Western media in three letters?

    Let them write, if they scold and write badly, it means that everything that is done in Russia infuriates them, that means they are doing everything right. And if they were praised, then she should immediately think about it. Here I will quote from an interview with Stanislav Shushkevich "Komsomolskaya Pravda" I called Gorbachev. And when Gorbachev became instructive, moving from “you” to “you”, I said, “Can you imagine what the international community will think about this?”, I replied that I represented. Because Yeltsin is now calling Bush. And, judging by individual remarks, the American president likes everything. There was a dumb scene.. And that was on December 8.12.1992, XNUMX. when three traitors, without the consent of the people, sold the USSR.
    So what is the approval of the West we all know. Better let them scold, insult, bark, threaten and howl.
  • Vend
    Vend 2 July 2020 14: 24
    -3
    Quote: Thrifty
    And, do not send all these Western media in three letters? Enough to live and think with an eye on the rotten, anti-Russian West, they are not a decree to us.
    Since Western media write this, then we all did the right thing. They were prettier to the Russia of the 90s, weak and with the slogan of a man, a wolf to a man.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 20: 28
      -2
      Now we have a strong Russia and, with the slogan, man is wolf to man. Not that then. And all that was needed was to change one set of letters on paper to another. laughing
      1. Vend
        Vend 8 July 2020 14: 10
        0
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Now we have a strong Russia and, with the slogan, man is wolf to man. Not that then. And all that was needed was to change one set of letters on paper to another. laughing

        This is thanks to the western introduction of democracy in the 90s, we are still raking. And the epidemic clearly showed the opposite.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 9 July 2020 01: 49
          0
          And what did she show? Masks for a hundred rubles a piece? Does it look like this is the opposite? The inability of our government to properly organize the fight against the epidemic? Yes it showed. The collapse in medicine that this power arranged? Yes showed.
          1. Vend
            Vend 9 July 2020 10: 10
            0
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            And what did she show? Masks for a hundred rubles a piece? Does it look like this is the opposite? The inability of our government to properly organize the fight against the epidemic? Yes it showed. The collapse in medicine that this power arranged? Yes showed.

            Well, everyone sees what he wants, the epidemic has shown that the Western thesis "man, man is a wolf" will not take root in Russia.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 11 July 2020 12: 28
              0
              This is the trepidation of a person who is shown inconvenient facts for him. And yes, masks of one hundred rubles show that they did it perfectly. Capitalism is always and everywhere the same.
              1. Vend
                Vend 13 July 2020 10: 17
                0
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                This is the trepidation of a person who is shown inconvenient facts for him. And yes, masks of one hundred rubles show that they did it perfectly. Capitalism is always and everywhere the same.


                You probably repeat this to yourself every morning before the end of the day, otherwise you can see real life in this way laughing
    2. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 8 July 2020 13: 19
      0
      Quote: Wend
      They were prettier to the Russia of the 90s, weak and with the slogan of a man, a wolf to a man.

      And it will continue to be so in Russia. This attitude will not change. What good will the change of the Constitution give in terms of improving relations between people? What, those who now consider themselves the masters of life will stop calling the less well-to-do "suckers, cattle, etc., etc."? What, the "lower classes" will cease to reciprocate, with contempt for such bastards who have surfaced "upward"? Seriously??? Yes, even at the lower level, people gnawed, gnaw and will gnaw each other for a penny, because even a penny is not enough (Muscovites and Petrograd do not understand this, they are zazhralis). Yes, not even for money, but because of bad relationships, out of envy, etc. drown, substitute, lay ... This will be until the Person changes internally. Moreover, "Man" here means - "humanity"
      1. Vend
        Vend 8 July 2020 14: 12
        -1
        Quote: CT-55_11-9009
        Quote: Wend
        They were prettier to the Russia of the 90s, weak and with the slogan of a man, a wolf to a man.

        And it will continue to be so in Russia. This attitude will not change. What good will the change of the Constitution give in terms of improving relations between people? What, those who now consider themselves the masters of life will stop calling the less well-to-do "suckers, cattle, etc., etc."? What, the "lower classes" will cease to reciprocate, with contempt for such bastards who have surfaced "upward"? Seriously??? Yes, even at the lower level, people gnawed, gnaw and will gnaw each other for a penny, because even a penny is not enough (Muscovites and Petrograd do not understand this, they are zazhralis). Yes, not even for money, but because of bad relationships, out of envy, etc. drown, substitute, lay ... This will be until the Person changes internally. Moreover, "Man" here means - "humanity"

        The constitution changes the foundations of the state, and not the psychological state of a person. This is for psychologists, but you can try to change the situation yourself. No one bothers.
        1. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 12 July 2020 14: 16
          0
          Quote: Wend
          The constitution changes the foundations of the state, and not the psychological state of a person. This is for psychologists, but you can try to change the situation yourself. No one bothers.

          Yes Yes. The subsoil belongs to the people (og, og, we buy these very subsoil from our moneybags), there is no ideology in Russia, the state is dofig social, the worsening of the situation of people is also not visible ... The Constitution defines something in Russia only that is beneficial to those in power , the rest is either ignored or changed (example - July 1).
          1. Vend
            Vend 13 July 2020 10: 15
            0
            Quote: CT-55_11-9009
            Quote: Wend
            The constitution changes the foundations of the state, and not the psychological state of a person. This is for psychologists, but you can try to change the situation yourself. No one bothers.

            Yes Yes. The subsoil belongs to the people (og, og, we buy these very subsoil from our moneybags), there is no ideology in Russia, the state is dofig social, the worsening of the situation of people is also not visible ... The Constitution defines something in Russia only that is beneficial to those in power , the rest is either ignored or changed (example - July 1).

            As for the subsoil, you were late with claims, it was necessary to be indignant in Soviet times laughing
            1. CT-55_11-9009
              CT-55_11-9009 14 July 2020 12: 59
              0
              Quote: Wend
              Quote: CT-55_11-9009
              Quote: Wend
              The constitution changes the foundations of the state, and not the psychological state of a person. This is for psychologists, but you can try to change the situation yourself. No one bothers.

              Yes Yes. The subsoil belongs to the people (og, og, we buy these very subsoil from our moneybags), there is no ideology in Russia, the state is dofig social, the worsening of the situation of people is also not visible ... The Constitution defines something in Russia only that is beneficial to those in power , the rest is either ignored or changed (example - July 1).

              As for the subsoil, you were late with claims, it was necessary to be indignant in Soviet times laughing

              They were already indignant. Even before me. Now, for the third decade, we have a sip ... It is not clear what. And by the way, who is there PERSONALLY receiving dividends from domestic trade in the same gas, for example, in the USSR, let me ask?
  • Sergey39
    Sergey39 2 July 2020 14: 37
    +6
    Quote: Thrifty
    And, do not send all these Western media in three letters? Enough to live and think with an eye on the rotten, anti-Russian West, they are not a decree to us.

    Everything seems to be heading towards building a new "Iron Curtain", this time from the West.
    1. Martin
      Martin 2 July 2020 15: 09
      +4
      Quote: Sergey39
      Everything seems to be heading towards building a new "Iron Curtain", this time from the West.
      The Iron Curtain could afford the USSR during its heyday. Because it was largely self-sufficient. And the West needs markets and a cheap resource base. For them, the Iron Curtain is death.
      1. Sergey39
        Sergey39 2 July 2020 16: 09
        +1
        Quote: Martyn
        For them, the Iron Curtain is death.

        So they build it around us, and not around themselves.
        1. Martin
          Martin 2 July 2020 17: 37
          +1
          Quote: Sergey39
          So they build it around us, and not around themselves.

          This is death for them. Russia, in spite of all these “sanctions”, Russophobia and other shelupon, is a very vast market for the West. It was the acquisition of such a market in the early 90s that saved (temporarily) the West from a serious crisis. As practice has shown, it did not save, but delayed, but nonetheless. And the West is not able to refuse such a piece of the market on its own. That is why in the West now there is such a hysterical screech: Russia, thanks to idiotic Western sanctions and import substitution, this piece of the market (itself) from the West is gradually pulling out. And you say, the West itself will refuse. Yes, not in the heat! They would have gladly lifted sanctions a long time ago, but this would mean that they were liquidated. Those. refusal to lift sanctions is a political issue, but not an economic one. And you think that they will step on the same rake a second time?
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 2 July 2020 20: 30
            -2
            Quote: Martyn
            Those. refusal to lift sanctions is a political issue, but not an economic one.

            And here you are very mistaken.
          2. Sergey39
            Sergey39 2 July 2020 22: 33
            +1
            What markets are we talking about? Sales of what? Sales markets are long over. The American economy is virtual. They have nothing to promote in world markets. Now they have already begun to understand their mistake made after the liquidation of the USSR, but instead of fixing it, they are piling up more and more. And sanctions are attempts to solve economic problems by the political method.
    2. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 2 July 2020 15: 33
      +1
      Quote: Sergey39
      Everything seems to be heading towards building a new "Iron Curtain", this time from the West.

      It was built long ago. See how "moderation" is carried out in Western social networks. Even Trump got a nameplate on Twitter - "possibly false information." So everything that does not drown in the endless streams of information and media garbage is likely to fall under the broom of the moderators.
      1. Sergey39
        Sergey39 2 July 2020 16: 13
        0
        Quote: Ded_Mazay
        So all that does not drown in the endless streams of information and media garbage, most likely falls under the broom of the moderators.

        And it is right. But everything is just beginning.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 2 July 2020 15: 11
    +2
    “The End of Russian Democracy”: How Western Media Evaluated Voting Results in the Russian Federation

    Western media, as always, are mistaken regarding Russia ..
    There has never been democracy in Russia ..
    But the fact that we are now moving from oligarchic anarchy to the dictatorship of the oligarchs is a fact.
  • bk316
    bk316 2 July 2020 16: 33
    -1
    And, do not send all these Western media in three letters?

    Definitely send!
  • cesar65
    cesar65 2 July 2020 17: 32
    0
    If our enemies scold us, then we are doing everything right.

    Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin
  • kamikaze
    kamikaze 2 July 2020 21: 04
    0
    It’s high time to send them the kudy of Thomas sent his calves. Europe with its dermocracy has corrupted the whole world. let Europe, by its charter, not enter a foreign monastery
  • Species
    Species 3 July 2020 09: 52
    -1
    For some reason, your rulers and not only grandmothers keep in dollars in the "rotten" west and in the States, their children study there, "in the rotten and anti-Russian west" and in the States. They do not want to return to Raseyushka, and some, such, as a daughter of Lavrushka, she speaks poorly even in Russian, and not only she. Here's something like this, dear fellow countrymen.
  • Roman Yanov
    Roman Yanov 4 July 2020 08: 43
    -1
    Yes, you don't need to look at them. But then why does the Kremlin ask them for technology and loans? And why do our officials live and keep their families there - in the "rotten" West? And why don't they have revolutions and upheavals, there are no sharp falls in the exchange rate like ours? And where do they have double standards? - I see those only in Russia! We have double standards! For example, our president is against the unipolar world of the West, in which it is forbidden to lie and steal, but why do the president's friends bravely steal and no measures are taken? - This is double standards! And we have double standards in the application of the Procedural Code, double standards for members of the United Russia party, etc. Double standards are Putin's law on the presumption of confidence in the police, the law on protecting the feelings of believers, etc.
    All of the above - there are double standards of Russia that harm the Russians themselves and the West has the right to speak about it because the mistakes of our policy certainly pose a threat to the West and the whole world.!
    And the West is also right about the Soviet past. They are right because the Soviet regime is an anti-people regime based on gagging the disaffected, based on the gross mistakes of the "theory" of socialism.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 2 July 2020 12: 43
    +6
    The leading world media have already hastened to express their attitude to the results of the referendum.

    That's just him, this opinion, we did not have enough right now !!!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 July 2020 13: 42
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      That's just him, this opinion, we did not have enough right now !!!

      Let them figure it out with their African-Americans, but they can figure it out in someone else's garden. Guardians of Russia! I believed in their good intentions. On this occasion, there is a verse about love

      Loved the mare wolf
      Sees knows a lot about this
      Gave a daisy to her
      Made an offer
      “Follow me soon,
      Here is my desire! ”

      The mare says:
      "Mom, Dad doesn't order,
      We are different and gender and class
      It’s not customary with us,
      And besides, what’s more important
      There is a groom of my blood.
      Noble and zealous
      Divide the stall for two. "

      Wolf mare under the bridle
      Against wool strokes
      "Away the laws and crowns -
      Wolves against weddings!
      Look at your horse
      In a word, the hunchback.
      He is not your couple
      Be mine - joy.
      I'm stealing on your feet
      In the open I’ll carry
      You will live the troubles without knowing
      In a gorgeous forest! ”

      "Wolf, I'm sorry, I can’t
      It's hard for me without love
      With a cry, the beast: "Well, nobody!"
      Tail left in the morning
      Yes mane. Here you go, poor thing!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 2 July 2020 13: 59
        -2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Let your African-Americans deal

        Yes, they understand, in full, when the "rebels" want to settle at the doorstep of the MAYOR or someone else who is ready to sacrifice the rights of all other fellow citizens, but not YOURSELF! Those "revolutionaries" did not realize that they were ALLOWED, they gave the FAS command, to someone else, and not to YOURSELF!
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 2 July 2020 12: 46
    +2
    They fear that looting through international organizations such as the IMF, WTO, ECHR, Strasbourg, The Hague and Brussels will become more difficult, and a little later it is impossible ...
    1. mdsr
      mdsr 2 July 2020 12: 54
      +2
      Quote: Tank jacket
      They fear that looting through international organizations such as the IMF, WTO, ECHR, Strasbourg, The Hague and Brussels will become more difficult, and a little later it is impossible ...

      laughing Khasprom yesterday transferred $ 1,5 billion to Poland according to a previous court decision.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 2 July 2020 13: 04
        -5
        Thank you for confirming my words. good Plus to you from me.
      2. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 2 July 2020 13: 09
        +1
        The IMF forbids us to limit currency speculation and the withdrawal of capital ... IMF forced to raise the retirement age.
        1. novel66
          novel66 2 July 2020 13: 35
          +4
          and not to slide into juvenile justice
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 2 July 2020 13: 53
            0
            Roman, I agree hi , juveniles want to pick up children from a normal family and give them rear-wheel drive ...
            1. unaha
              unaha 2 July 2020 17: 11
              +4
              Ruslan, I honestly want to understand ... As I understand you (as well as the overwhelming majority in the country) are against the practical (very crooked) implementation of juvenile justice. But the implementation of these measures is carried out by the executive authorities, subordinate to the government (in general). This government is proposed by the president (let's be honest - appoints) and he is pleased with his activities. As for the juvenile justice itself, then: "In 2002, a law appeared on the creation of juvenile courts in our country. And the guardianship authorities received the right to initiate the removal of a child from the family." it actually appeared during the presidency of Putin. The result - Putin supports juvenile justice and everything suits him. You do NOT support juvenile justice, but you support Putin ... Is this schizophrenia?
        2. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 14: 05
          +5
          Quote: Tank jacket
          ... IMF forced to raise the retirement age.

          "You have to answer for the market" (c) bully
          Well, well, more in detail pliiiz hi
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 2 July 2020 14: 10
            -5
            “And finally, pension reform, which would legislate for raising the retirement age, would help mitigate the effects of negative demographic trends on the labor market, while a properly designed budget rule would protect competitiveness by weakening the effect of volatile oil prices on the exchange rate ", The IMF said in a statement. 2017 year.
            1. Virus-free crown
              Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 14: 14
              +3
              Quote: Tank jacket
              “And finally, pension reform, which would legislate for raising the retirement age, would help mitigate the effects of negative demographic trends on the labor market, while a properly designed budget rule would protect competitiveness by weakening the effect of volatile oil prices on the exchange rate ", The IMF said in a statement. 2017 year.

              DO NOT shy away from the answer !!! pliz link to the text or speech of Putin, where he says that raising the retirement age in Russia - he "caved in" under the requirements of the IMF
              1. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 2 July 2020 14: 16
                +1
                Scha for the bazaar answer?
                https://www.imf.org/ru/News/Articles/2017/05/19/Russian-Federation-Staff-Concluding-Statement-of-the-2017-Article-IV-Mission
                1. Virus-free crown
                  Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 14: 19
                  +4
                  Quote: Tank jacket
                  Scha for the bazaar answer?
                  https://www.imf.org/ru/News/Articles/2017/05/19/Russian-Federation-Staff-Concluding-Statement-of-the-2017-Article-IV-Mission

                  I WILL RESPOND !!!
                  If you provide a link to a text or video where Putin says: "I, the President of the Russian Federation, give in to the requirements of the IMF and therefore raise the retirement age in Russia" soldier
                  1. Tank jacket
                    Tank jacket 2 July 2020 14: 24
                    -5
                    How old are you? Do you have an understanding of the financial and media capabilities of the IMF? Rating Agencies? Now compare them with the financial possibilities of influence in the media, rating agents of Russia and the president. Who has more resources, rude, who is stronger than Putin or the IMF?
                    1. Virus-free crown
                      Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 14: 30
                      +2
                      I'm finally 50 years old hi

                      Quote: Tank jacket
                      How old are you? Do you have an understanding of the financial and media capabilities of the IMF? Rating Agencies? Now compare them with the financial possibilities of influence in the media, rating agents of Russia and the president. Who has more resources, rude, who is stronger than Putin or the IMF?


                      And you? drinks And by the way, are you aware that your given post falls under several articles of the Criminal Code? bully
                      1. Tank jacket
                        Tank jacket 2 July 2020 14: 35
                        0
                        The law that draws, as you turn, it happened bully
                      2. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 14: 37
                        +3
                        Quote: Tank jacket
                        The law that draws, as you turn, it happened bully

                        You, a regular zaputinets, should be ashamed of such a speech !!! wink laughing After all, right now we have everything in the country, because by law and everything is fine in Russia !!! tongue
                      3. Tank jacket
                        Tank jacket 2 July 2020 14: 39
                        +1
                        How did you vote? I am 42.
                      4. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 14: 41
                        +5
                        Quote: Tank jacket
                        How did you vote? I am 42.

                        And I did not vote hi
                        If Tereshkova didn’t vyaknula at the very last moment - would vote "for" good
                        And so I do not want to participate in a farce, because even before the vote it was clear that this was a farce with a definite result of 76 percent for
                      5. Tank jacket
                        Tank jacket 2 July 2020 14: 44
                        -7
                        Actually 77,91 percent "FOR". Well, okay, silence is a sign of consent.
                      6. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 14: 47
                        +2
                        Quote: Tank jacket
                        Actually 77,91 percent "FOR". Well, okay, silence is a sign of consent.

                        according to the calculator - half of the country in favor, half against - if in figures from citizens entitled to vote hi
                        what about silence ... are you married? repeat
  • unaha
    unaha 2 July 2020 14: 15
    +4
    "The IMF forced the retirement age to be raised" - I just see how Lagarde (or someone there now), putting a gun to the president's head, makes him sign a law ... Hmm ... And how was forced, maybe someone was taken hostage ? And I didn't understand that, after 20 years of getting up, we still haven't gotten off our knees in front of the IMF and other terrible abbreviations? But right from tomorrow we will send them all through the forest.
  • tatra
    tatra 2 July 2020 13: 30
    +4
    So Putin 20 years allowed the West and Europe to rob Russia?
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 2 July 2020 13: 32
      -4
      And you wonder how you voted?
      1. tatra
        tatra 2 July 2020 13: 36
        +1
        You do not get out, if you answered, then answer my question.
        1. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 2 July 2020 13: 40
          -5
          And did he have the opportunity to amend the Constitution? Tell me when? Do you have all the information that the president has?
          Well, since you voted, For / Against?
          1. tatra
            tatra 2 July 2020 13: 42
            +3
            Tell who exactly those people who forbade Putin to amend the Constitution for 20 years?
            1. Tank jacket
              Tank jacket 2 July 2020 13: 46
              -4
              Specifically, you and another 21 percent of Russian citizens.
              1. tatra
                tatra 2 July 2020 14: 02
                +6
                Ha, as required. Nobody stopped Putin from changing the Constitution for all these 20 years, but as he became a "lame duck", he was impatient at once.
                1. Tank jacket
                  Tank jacket 2 July 2020 14: 06
                  -1
                  Or maybe he was waiting for Trump to hit the WTO and the Fed? You can’t trample in one helmet against the IMF ...
                  1. unaha
                    unaha 2 July 2020 16: 01
                    +5
                    "You can't trample the IMF in one helmet" - how do you generally imagine the process of "transferring" to the IMF, given that the Russian Federation is its shareholder? Bees versus honey? )))
                    1. Tank jacket
                      Tank jacket 2 July 2020 16: 07
                      -6
                      For some reason I am too lazy to explain to you. I will ask 2 simple questions:
                      1. Why did Trump bend the Fed and the WTO? 2. Why did the team behind Trump nominate him in 2016 and secure a victory over Clinton?
                    2. unaha
                      unaha 2 July 2020 16: 32
                      +9
                      And where does the Fed in general? We talked about the IMF. Well, Trump obviously had some kind of need ... I honestly are not interested in what Trump's problems are. He makes many decisions on emotions (apparently at least).
                      Why did the IMF displease you? You do not need his loans - do not take it, and accordingly there will be no need to follow the recommendations. Just let us, without conspiracy theories - our "elite" has essentially one interest - to enter on an equal footing with the elites of Western countries, so as not to fear for their own assets. No changes in national legislation will change anything at all.
              2. Campanella
                Campanella 2 July 2020 23: 01
                +1
                Maybe he has a menopause?
                The constitutional issue cannot be explained by Putin's only attempt to maintain power.
                Although it is, of course, dominant.
            2. And
              And 2 July 2020 14: 09
              +5
              I apologize for interfering in your discussion. But still, regarding the robbery through international courts - not everything is so simple. Court decisions will not affect territory Russia and only if they contradict the Constitution. And the Constitutional Court can cancel decisions only in relation to Russian Federation. And as you know, all the latest miracle courts lost and paid on them it was the Russian organization. At the same time, claims for any arrest of property of organizations extended to property located outside of Russia.
              Regarding the lack of the possibility of amending the Constitution until yesterday:
              - changes of December 30.12.2008, 6 N 30.12.2008-FKZ, dated December 7, 05.02.2014 N 2-FKZ, dated February 21.07.2014, 11 No. XNUMX-FKZ, dated July XNUMX, XNUMX No. XNUMX-FKZ. So there were opportunities and they were used.
              1. Campanella
                Campanella 2 July 2020 23: 02
                0
                So there seems to be a point that Russian laws are higher than international? Just like in the USA?
                1. And
                  And 3 July 2020 08: 15
                  0
                  Good afternoon. No, unfortunately, there is no such thing. But there is Part 4 of Article 15 (which has not changed), which reads as follows: "The generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If an international treaty of the Russian Federation establishes other rules than those provided by law, then the rules of the international treaty apply. "
                  1. Campanella
                    Campanella 3 July 2020 10: 31
                    0
                    Sad and foggy. It turns out power (some of its officials), concluding an international treaty intentionally can undermine state interests ...
                    I would amend that it is impossible to conclude international treaties contrary to the interests of Russia, creating a threat to its existence and bearing a potential danger to its existence in the future. And even the personal responsibility of officials to roll out into law.
                  2. And
                    And 3 July 2020 10: 52
                    0
                    Yes, not fun. Personal responsibility of officials is certainly needed, even confiscation of property up to the fifth generation for embezzlers and corrupt officials, but "who will put him in prison, he's a monument."
          2. bk316
            bk316 2 July 2020 16: 48
            -4
            Specifically, you and another 21 percent of Russian citizens.

            On the one hand, BRAVO! Absolutely.
            On the other hand, was it not necessary to send this 21% (Tatra Mountains, Svarogs and Malyut) 10 years ago?
            1. Tank jacket
              Tank jacket 2 July 2020 20: 20
              -2
              Thank you for the fight. Today many copies have broken ...
            2. CT-55_11-9009
              CT-55_11-9009 8 July 2020 13: 29
              0
              Quote: bk316
              Specifically, you and another 21 percent of Russian citizens.

              On the one hand, BRAVO! Absolutely.
              On the other hand, was it not necessary to send this 21% (Tatra Mountains, Svarogs and Malyut) 10 years ago?

              And how to send gathered? With a philosophical steamboat or without a vent - a hole in the head and into the ditch? 36 million people ... Yes, to you, so humane, all the Western countries would applaud while standing!
      2. unaha
        unaha 2 July 2020 14: 19
        +4
        "Law of the Russian Federation on an amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation of December 30, 2008 N 6-FKZ" On changing the term of office of the President of the Russian Federation and the State Duma "- and no one prevented him from introducing this amendment to extend the term to 6 years.
        1. unaha
          unaha 2 July 2020 16: 03
          +6
          Hmm ... Or maybe someone who set the minus to clarify, there was no such amendment, or did someone interfere, interfere, but did not knead?
  • Maxim L
    Maxim L 2 July 2020 13: 46
    +6
    Appealing to the logic of such people is useless. I myself am from Belarus. I talked with one "Lukashist". An analogue of "Putinist" in Russia. I spoke about specific corruption in my country. In response, he tells me about corruption in the United States. I begin to explain that I am not interested in who and how much steal in the USA. I'm interested in not tyril in Belarus. But it doesn't reach the person. In his opinion, I should calm down if he tells how much a senator in the United States stole on something there.
    This is logic like - you were robbed on the street. You called the police. But the police, instead of taking any action to find the offender, says: "Oh, what are you trying to do. Someone was also robbed on the next street."
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 2 July 2020 23: 05
      0
      Are you sure that corruption without Lukashenko will be lower?
      The more liberal the government, the more corruption. After all, the law is not a liberal thing in fact.
      1. Maxim L
        Maxim L 3 July 2020 09: 32
        0
        "Are you sure that corruption will be lower without Lukashenko?"
        Not sure. But it's worth trying. If you don't try anything, nothing will ever change. All discoveries are made in an attempt to change something. Many people also said to Columbus "where are you going. There is a continuous ocean." And he discovered America. When the Wright brothers tried to make the first plane, many laughed at them too. As a result, there was a breakthrough for all mankind
        Without Lukashenko, it would certainly be better in many other respects than corruption.
        "The more liberal the government, the more corruption. After all, the law is not a liberal thing in essence." Not true. Corruption depends on many parameters (form of government, publicity, the attitude of ordinary people to corruption, people's ability to organize themselves, etc.). In the same USA, there is decent corruption. But in Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, much less.
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 3 July 2020 10: 22
          0
          Well, if in Ukraine your way is better, then yes!
          I can tell you for sure that you are mistaken. It will be different but worse. Objectively, you have no chance of improvement. At least because the rest of the world is not waiting for you.
          The markets are distributed, you don’t have any raw materials, and it’s unlikely that anyone will gather for the sake of it.
          You will be thrown crumbs and support as an enemy of Russia and no more. If you like this role, well then.
          The trouble is that Russia, by the power of the liberals, cannot take its own path from this, and all the troubles are in Ukraine and in the entire post-Soviet space.
          1. Maxim L
            Maxim L 3 July 2020 17: 40
            0
            The world is not waiting. But you have to work. Create conditions so that people in the country want to stay and create something good. And do not dump at the first opportunity.
            About the changes. It’s better to try to change something for the better than doing nothing and waiting inevitably [censored]
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 3 July 2020 19: 26
              0
              You did not hear me. I’ll say it again, nobody except Russia needs your good.
              And if one of the Belarusians creates something, then he will be bought with giblets or rolled up on the asphalt with sanctions. You look at the world through pink glasses.
              There is a global economy with established ties, and your Belarusian market will not allow you to develop normally, it is too small. And the last statement by Lukashenko is true.
              You dump it and it will only get worse.
              Do you know the candidates' programs, with what agenda do they go to the polls?
              In my opinion, unification with Russia would be the right decision.
  • Podvodnik
    Podvodnik 2 July 2020 14: 32
    +8
    So Putin is 20 years old


    I join in and clarify the question: 20 years guaranteed, guaranteed and not guaranteed? Ie everything was normal for 20 years? And then "it never happened and suddenly again"? (from)
    Before making changes to the vote, it would be nice to fulfill at least what was promised and declared decades ago.

    I’m sure, regrettably, that nothing in the life of our country will change. The brain froze for a long time, thoughts ran out. You need to leave on time. I have already seen Leonid Ilyich on the podium. Apparently the story repeats itself.
  • Sergey39
    Sergey39 2 July 2020 14: 41
    +1
    Quote: Tank jacket
    They fear that looting through international organizations such as the IMF, WTO, ECHR, Strasbourg, The Hague and Brussels will become more difficult, and a little later it is impossible ...

    So they themselves are removing Russia from all these "international organizations."
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 2 July 2020 14: 46
      -4
      These organizations are no longer in demand in the new architecture ... Merkel let slip that Hegemon is now an ordinary regional power. And the negative futures showed that now there is just a dollar, and there is no petrodollar ...
  • Woodman
    Woodman 2 July 2020 12: 53
    +5
    Thus, the foreign press rather negatively assessed both the voting itself and its results.
    Someone in doubt?
    the activities they hold allegedly endanger the health of citizens.
    When I went to vote, I did not notice any dangers, so the "world media" can not worry about this.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 2 July 2020 12: 56
    -3
    Thus, the foreign press rather negatively assessed both the vote itself and its results.

    Well FSE ... I will not sleep for a week from grief crying
    How I dream of expressing what I think about them in the eyes of this "foreign press". What does it have without cuts and "notes"
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 13: 35
      -7
      What for? The dog barks - the caravan goes on.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 July 2020 13: 51
      +5
      Quote: Lipchanin
      What does it have without cuts and "notes"

      Eh! Yes, I, too, would be our marine "boatswain" materkom with overflows, in Christopher Columbus and in Ekim Romanovich, for 15 minutes without a break, a tirade, like a nightingale would give out. So without an interpreter, they would understand. (convinced).
  • Igoresha
    Igoresha 2 July 2020 13: 02
    0
    and now they’re slandering
  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 2 July 2020 13: 03
    +4
    We must not forget that everyone is looking for their own benefit, starting with an individual. As long as Russia exists as a state, the world's leading forces will do everything to make it disappear. All "independent" mass media are completely dependent on those who finance them, therefore it does not matter what decision is made in the Russian Federation, this is just a reason for criticism. The face of the West is always hidden under the guise of slogans about human rights. But they do not consider every person a person. If there is oil in the country, then the baby is also a terrorist. And in Russia there is not only oil and gas, but also a lot of valuable things, so it is always not democratic.
    1. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 2 July 2020 13: 57
      0
      As long as Russia exists as a state, the leading forces of the world will do everything to make it disappear.

      In my opinion, you are exaggerating the importance of modern Russia in this world.

      And in Russia there is not only oil and gas, but also a lot of everything valuable, therefore it is always not democratic.

      Therefore, America is doing everything possible so that no one except Russia itself can use Russian gas and oil. But Russia does not give up and stubbornly continues to supply oil and gas to the hated west.
  • AK1972
    AK1972 2 July 2020 13: 10
    +7
    Why is Putin in the photo without a mask? He himself put the device on the "high alert mode" introduced by him, as well as on the Constitution. Maybe someone will tell me whether the president is subject to administrative responsibility, otherwise I was discharged from a thousand people for the lack of a mask.
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 2 July 2020 13: 41
      +2
      Alexei. Why is Putin without a mask? Because before his arrival, all the premises were sanitized. So much so that the FSO looked into the toilet bowls - is there a bomb there? It's stupid to go in a mask when the virus is dead. But this is not a whim, everybody does and did so, except for the populists, who, under the applause of the toadies, drove the trolleybus to a stop and then got into a personal foreign car.
      1. AK1972
        AK1972 2 July 2020 13: 53
        +9
        Michael! If it does not bother you, please answer a simple question: Is the President of the Russian Federation obliged to comply with the laws of the Russian Federation that he personally signed? A commission member sits in a mask, and without him, he looks ugly somehow. Could at least put a mask on the camera.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 2 July 2020 13: 20
    -2
    Quote: Finches
    The best assessment of the correctness of voting !!

    Wait, local liberals will say that Putin sponsored the Western media, as they said before that Putin paid Gozman, Sobchak, Navalny and Venediktov to oppose wassat
    1. tatra
      tatra 2 July 2020 13: 34
      +6
      Why how to bear responsibility for everything that you, the enemies of the Communists, did during the Soviet period, and after you captured Russia, and for your capture of Russia, you are not there, and when it is profitable for you, then you have only you in Russia who are in power and for power, and those who portray the opposition to those?
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 13: 26
    -11%
    The reaction of the West is a litmus test. So we did everything right. At the same time, they determined who is who.
    1. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 14: 10
      +2
      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      The reaction of the West is a litmus test. So we did everything right. At the same time, they determined who is who.

      Specify, pzhalsta, who is this "you"? ... recourse
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 14: 13
        -7
        Most. Which voted in favor.
        1. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 14: 17
          +3
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Most. Which voted in favor.

          Are you bad at math? If you take the calculator in hand, then roughly 1 out of 2 people from the population of Russia who have the right to vote voted for
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 14: 40
            -5
            So their opinion is not taken into account, they voluntarily excluded themselves from the political life of the country.
            1. Virus-free crown
              Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 14: 45
              +2
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              So their opinion is not taken into account, they voluntarily excluded themselves from the political life of the country.

              So I say - 1 for, the second against drinks As a result, the country on this issue split exactly in half
  • HAM
    HAM 2 July 2020 13: 26
    +2
    All the same, democracy has existed for these 20 years, and now it is "finished" ...... was it or was it not? Well, the foreigners have completely confused ...
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 2 July 2020 15: 19
      +3
      Do not worry, democracy will not die in the country, for that which is not there cannot die.
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 2 July 2020 23: 11
        0
        But is there anyway, this democracy? Conditionally estate, clan is definitely there!
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 2 July 2020 13: 27
    +1
    If the Western media screamed, and their voluntary assistants "nulandyats with bulkheads" have been whining and moaning since yesterday evening that everything is lost, then not everything is lost and Russia is doing everything right. Let themselves, with two scoops, slurp their "democracy".
  • prior
    prior 2 July 2020 13: 29
    +7
    I am not worried about the opinions of foreign media; something else worries me:
    The result of voting according to the information of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee is 77. 92% for amendments out of 65% of those who voted.
    Using simple calculations we get 65 x 0.7792 = 50.648
    That is, the amendments approved by only 50.648% of all voters.
    During the week of voting, with the full support of all media and the ban on criticism, the number of people who voted "FOR" is only 0.648% more than those who did not vote or voted against. This half a percent is enough for the authorities to say that the amendments are approved by the people.
    As for me, the vote for the amendments reminded me of an anecdote with a "beard":
    The wife decided to discourage her husband from drinking heavily.
    I bought a lot of vodka, poured it into a bucket and threw a dead cat there.
    I thought that my husband would drink, see a cat, he would turn it off both from the sight of the cat and from vodka in general.
    She put a bucket in the room, waiting for her husband.
    He came home from work and secluded himself in the room ...... silence.
    After some time, the wife decided to look in and see what was happening there.
    Looks in .... and sees such a picture -
    the husband squeezes a dead cat like a rag and says:
    "Well, cat, well, dear, well, another hundred grams ....".
    So this vote reminded me of this picture: "Well, dear ones, well, dear ones, vote, well, a couple more votes ..."
    And yet, what if hopes for promises of better life after all these amendments remain promises, then what? What will say and do the "equity holders" deceived by the state .... and the voters.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 13: 34
      -5
      Anyone who refused to vote, he voluntarily refused to participate in the political life of the country. In short, stayed behind the brackets. Therefore, your arithmetic is incorrect.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 2 July 2020 13: 54
        +2
        It’s EXACTLY for me to this event, because for the masses, for the working people, nothing will fundamentally change .... BUT,
        Quote: prior
        For a week of voting, with the full support of all media and the prohibition of criticism,
        this is where you found, tell, show.
        1. prior
          prior 2 July 2020 14: 25
          +4
          On all televisions in the country, only those who agree with the amendments were allowed to air. Campaigning "FOR" went on throughout the voting days. Administrative resource - at full capacity. All famous people in all advertisements persuaded for ecology, history, medicine ........... Voting in all possible ways. And only the Internet and VO allowed themselves to discuss the essence of procedures and amendments.
          Well, is it not bias.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 2 July 2020 15: 07
            0
            Quote: prior
            And only the Internet and VO allowed themselves to discuss the essence of the procedures and amendments.
            Well, is it not bias.

            And the admin resource, and the center media, and recognizable faces, in the service of those in power ... EVERYTHING WAS, IS, WILL!
            But, who wanted to find an alternative point of view, he FIND it .... i.e. not all and not everywhere were only FOR!
            I’m just clarifying that it’s worth categorically declaring now only when the issue was considered from all points of view.
            An online resource, it is now VERY SERIOUS ... the audience is much larger than all government media !!! The choice is, the question is, who uses it and how.
            For me, for example 1:1000, you know which way.
    2. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 14: 13
      0
      Quote: prior
      I am not worried about the opinions of foreign media; something else worries me:
      The result of voting according to the information of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee is 77. 92% for amendments out of 65% of those who voted.
      Using simple calculations we get 65 x 0.7792 = 50.648
      That is, the amendments approved by only 50.648% of all voters.
      During the week of voting, with the full support of all media and the ban on criticism, the number of people who voted "FOR" is only 0.648% more than those who did not vote or voted against. This half a percent is enough for the authorities to say that the amendments are approved by the people.
      ...

      I wanted to write the same thing drinks In the face of such a situation - Assume (albeit from the realm of fiction) that the numbers on the vote are correct ... this is what happens ... from 2 people 1 for, another against ... here and not far from the civil war ... what
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 2 July 2020 14: 39
        +1
        Quote: Corona without virus
        this is what turns out ... from 2 people 1 for, another against ...

        Why did you unambiguously rank those who did not vote among those who were "against"?
        1. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 14: 43
          -2
          Quote: Lesovik
          Quote: Corona without virus
          this is what turns out ... from 2 people 1 for, another against ...

          Why did you unambiguously rank those who did not vote among those who were "against"?

          Because who voted for - they voted for hi
          Logically, the rest are against bully At least that's what the course of logic in universities says)))
          1. Woodman
            Woodman 2 July 2020 14: 45
            0
            Quote: Corona without virus
            At least that's what the course of logic in universities says)))

            And folk wisdom says "silence is a sign of consent" ... hi
            1. Virus-free crown
              Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 15: 02
              0
              Quote: Lesovik
              Quote: Corona without virus
              At least that's what the course of logic in universities says)))

              And folk wisdom says "silence is a sign of consent" ... hi

              But answer, only HONEST !!! drinks
              In childhood, you silently performed everything that your parents told you ... in most cases)))
              You, when SILENTLY performed what was demanded of you, WERE AGREED ??? wink laughing tongue
              1. Woodman
                Woodman 2 July 2020 15: 12
                0
                Quote: Corona without virus
                But answer, only HONEST !!!
                Here in childhood

                No. What does childhood have to do with it? This is firstly ... And secondly, even if I was at times disagreeing (and I was), then no one prevented me from expressing my disagreement, if I had such a need ... As now with regard to voting . Now, did everyone have the opportunity to freely express their attitude to what was happening?
                But honesty for honesty - tell me, are you recalling your childhood, can you recall many cases when the requirements of your parents harm you? wink
                1. Virus-free crown
                  Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 15: 17
                  0
                  Quote: Lesovik
                  Quote: Corona without virus
                  But answer, only HONEST !!!
                  Here in childhood

                  No. What does childhood have to do with it? This is firstly ... And secondly, even if I was at times disagreeing (and I was), then no one prevented me from expressing my disagreement, if I had such a need ... As now with regard to voting . Now, did everyone have the opportunity to freely express their attitude to what was happening?
                  But honesty for honesty - tell me, are you recalling your childhood, can you recall many cases when the requirements of your parents harm you? wink

                  Regarding "voting" - I officially notify you that the CEC officially notified the Russians that "the opportunity to express their attitude to what is happening was PROHIBITED. wassat tongue
                  It was one time ... And two ... HARM - a bunch of situations, for example, that my father forced me 1 time to shortly streak resulted in the fact that since 18 I have been wearing long hair like bikers have in protest lol and this is the most harmless, as my parents crushed my psyche - although I love them and still respect drinks
                  1. Woodman
                    Woodman 2 July 2020 15: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Corona without virus
                    Regarding "voting" - I officially notify you that the CEC officially notified the Russians that "the opportunity to express their attitude to what is happening was PROHIBITED.

                    What is it like? They didn’t let you out of the house? Did you give the paper? Can be more?
                    Quote: Corona without virus
                    HARM - a bunch of situations was, for example, that my father forced me 1 time to shortly streak resulted in the fact that since 18 I have been wearing long hair like bikers have in protest

                    AND? What is the harm? That you began to look like a person? For example, despite the presence of good long-haired friends, I think that long hair colors a woman, but not a man)) As well as rings / earrings in the ears)) The manner of piercing noses, cheeks and ... other parts of the body is not I accept in principle)) And the crumpled psyche ... So she has been making such a mistake for everyone since her birth all her life)
                    1. Virus-free crown
                      Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 15: 38
                      0
                      Quote: Lesovik
                      Quote: Corona without virus
                      Regarding "voting" - I officially notify you that the CEC officially notified the Russians that "the opportunity to express their attitude to what is happening was PROHIBITED.

                      What is it like? They didn’t let you out of the house? Did you give the paper? Can be more?

                      Campaigning for or against amendments was officially banned !!! am What went out on TV was an official "notification" of amendments, but not agitation - google with Yandex to help on this issue hi
                      1. Woodman
                        Woodman 2 July 2020 15: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Corona without virus
                        The CEC officially notified the Russians that "the opportunity to express their attitude to what was happening was PROHIBITED.

                        Quote: Corona without virus
                        Campaigning for or against amendments was officially banned !!!

                        Experience the difference between “no campaigning” and “no free expression of will”.
                      2. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 15: 48
                        -1
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        "the ability to freely express your attitude to what is happening"

                        It is not necessary to divert the conversation away from your own words "the ability to express freely your attitude to what is happening" !!! am negative
                        I told you what the law was ... And since you have nothing to answer, just keep silent ... laughing
                      3. Woodman
                        Woodman 2 July 2020 15: 51
                        0
                        Quote: Corona without virus
                        It is not necessary to divert the conversation away from your own words "the ability to express freely your attitude to what is happening" !!!
                        I told you what was legally

                        So what was the obstacle to get out of the couch and go to the polling station? The fact that you did not tell horror stories on TV? Do you see an obstacle in this? In the ban of campaigning? And like an adult ...
                      4. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 15: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        Quote: Corona without virus
                        It is not necessary to divert the conversation away from your own words "the ability to express freely your attitude to what is happening" !!!
                        I told you what was legally

                        So what was the obstacle to get out of the couch and go to the polling station? The fact that you did not tell horror stories on TV? Do you see an obstacle in this? In the ban of campaigning? And like an adult ...

                        Yes, I, as an adult man, 50 years old, turned gray at 25, do not consider myself a sheep, which is driven into slaughter in rows and columns !!! I have my own head on my shoulders !!! TWO points of view should have been given to me - both those who are for and those who are against, so that I can decide for myself !!! what suits me ... but in the end, only the point of view of those who are for ...
                2. dali
                  dali 2 July 2020 15: 51
                  -1
                  Quote: Corona without virus
                  Campaigning for or against the amendments was officially prohibited !!! What went out on TV was an official "notification" of amendments, but not agitation - google with Yandex to help on this issue

                  You would have to know the unknown country of the case and declension for the beginning to learn, and then broadcast ...

                  So mutually show you who and where forbade, and, accordingly, Google with Yandex to help on this issue hi laughing laughing laughing
                3. Virus-free crown
                  Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 15: 57
                  -1
                  Quote: Dali
                  Quote: Corona without virus
                  Campaigning for or against the amendments was officially prohibited !!! What went out on TV was an official "notification" of amendments, but not agitation - google with Yandex to help on this issue

                  You would have to know the unknown country of the case and declension for the beginning to learn, and then broadcast ...

                  So mutually show you who and where forbade, and, accordingly, Google with Yandex to help on this issue hi laughing laughing laughing

                  Born a citizen of the USSR, now a citizen of Russia. Russian is my native language since childhood, I don’t know others. Silver medal at school = 4 in Russian and literature - cases from childhood are not given to me laughing tongue

                  Well, the second question - I will provide a paid consultation on your issue bully since you were banned by Google with Yandex)))
                4. dali
                  dali 2 July 2020 16: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Corona without virus
                  Silver medal at school = 4 in Russian and literature - cases from childhood are not given to me

                  As 4, and this is in the USSR, put on the Russian language and literature !!! This, in accordance with Western democratic terminology, is nonsense !!! laughing

                  I, too, come from the USSR, so our C grade students did not allow this ... so I "don't believe" what Stanislavsky calls your words from a country unknown ...

                  Quote: Corona without virus
                  Well, the second question - I will provide a paid consultation on your question since you were banned by Google with Yandex)))

                  And then you are not banned, you just can’t ... laughing laughing laughing mind is not enough or how ... it seems they just boasted a silver medal ... laughing laughing laughing
                5. Virus-free crown
                  Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 16: 12
                  0
                  In this thread I already answered your question in another post - just reread it drinks
                6. dali
                  dali 2 July 2020 16: 20
                  -2
                  And you weren’t taught that you should answer where they ask ... or your pride in getting a silver medal has caught your eye ... laughing
                7. Virus-free crown
                  Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 16: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: Dali
                  And you weren’t taught that you should answer where they ask ... or your pride in getting a silver medal has caught your eye ... laughing

                  I was taught that it’s enough to answer 1 time - and do not constantly talk about the same thing hi
                8. dali
                  dali 2 July 2020 16: 31
                  0
                  Mutually ... !!! laughing
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 2 July 2020 13: 36
    +10
    In truth, democracy in Russia ended in 96. When, after the dispersal and execution of the Armed Forces and the adoption of the super-presidential constitution, the EBN and his gang staged a shameful farce in the elections. And it turned out that we simply do not have democrats. And there are people who are intolerant of other people's opinions, and even those who screamed in words for free elections. And they did not rally in front of the Kremlin, protesting against the rigged and dishonest elections, they were glad that "our" Boris won. It doesn't matter how ...
    And this is the end of the history of Russian democracy. There was only a fake ...
    https://sahalinets777.livejournal.com/3710.html
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 3 July 2020 10: 48
      0
      I would say differently, we did not have democracy under Gorbachev or under Yeltsin. But the simulation is complete even now. And to be honest I don’t see it in the West, although it is formally there, people are rinsed by people every day, forming the necessary worldview.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 13: 40
    +1
    I agree with the opinion of Western media, even though I am a patriot of Russia !!! soldier
    Even attempts to "save the face of democracy" in Russia can be forgotten ...

    The only thing I disagree with is the words:

    Ile, destinies obeying the law,
    All that you could have already done
    Created a song like a groan
    And spiritually rested forever? ..

    Author: N. A. Nekrasov

    We, the people, are ... now sleeping ... now not sleeping bully
    1. dali
      dali 2 July 2020 15: 48
      -2
      Quote: Corona without virus

      I agree with the opinion of Western media, even though I am a patriot of Russia !!!

      It looks like you are cheating ... tell me who your friend is, and I will say who you are ...
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 15: 50
        -1
        Quote: Dali
        Quote: Corona without virus

        I agree with the opinion of Western media, even though I am a patriot of Russia !!!

        It looks like you are cheating ... tell me who your friend is, and I will say who you are ...

        You are my friends - with whom I went through "fire, water and copper" pipes, turning gray at the age of 25, you still do not know hi
        1. dali
          dali 2 July 2020 16: 01
          -2
          Quote: Corona without virus
          You are my friends - with whom I went through "fire, water and copper" pipes, turning gray at the age of 25, you still do not know

          Completely decipher the concept of "fire, water and copper pipes" - each of the three points ...
          And then I will answer you ...
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 16: 09
            +1
            Quote: Dali
            Quote: Corona without virus
            You are my friends - with whom I went through "fire, water and copper" pipes, turning gray at the age of 25, you still do not know

            Completely decipher the concept of "fire, water and copper pipes" - each of the three points ...
            And then I will answer you ...

            Here’s how the expiration date of a non-disclosure subscription ends - so I’ll immediately hi
            1. dali
              dali 2 July 2020 16: 15
              -2
              Quote: Corona without virus
              Here’s how the expiration date of a non-disclosure subscription ends - so I’ll immediately

              Yes, and with logic you are not all right ... you do not distinguish a concept from actions suitable for this concept ...
              1. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 16: 20
                0
                Quote: Dali
                Quote: Corona without virus
                Here’s how the expiration date of a non-disclosure subscription ends - so I’ll immediately

                Yes, and with logic you are not all right ... you do not distinguish a concept from actions suitable for this concept ...

                Well, why ... bully This is the term of the nondisclosure subscription, that when I was a student I participated in writing some of the software for the Buk, so I can proudly say that even now, somewhere in the modern Buk, there are a couple of lines of my code drinks hi
                1. dali
                  dali 2 July 2020 16: 36
                  -2
                  Quote: Corona without virus
                  Well, why ...

                  You need to explain or you yourself will understand ... what a prototype is (in programming for example), and what is an object created on the basis of a prototype ...

                  Quote: Corona without virus
                  so I can proudly say that even now, somewhere in the modern "Buk" there are a couple of lines of my code

                  You are sure of this, but I’m sure that your code has long been worn-replaced ... and you were right ... laughing
                  1. Virus-free crown
                    Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 16: 43
                    +2
                    I strongly doubt that they rubbed ... wassat in the early 90s, the programs were tightly sewn into the ROM in the "beech", so they could not rub it - they could only rewrite it - and that is hardly what we were doing, it was the "base" for further data processing from the beech radar - like the laws of physics have not changed since then bully
                    1. dali
                      dali 8 July 2020 23: 16
                      0
                      Quote: Corona without virus
                      I strongly, strongly doubt that they have rubbed ... at the beginning of the 90s the programs were tightly sewn into the ROM in the "beech", so they could not rub - they could only rewrite them - and that is hardly what we were doing, it was " base "for further processing of data from beech radar - like the laws of physics have not changed since then

                      Well then, you understand what the element base means, and that the beech then and the beech now are somewhat different beeches, including mechanics, drives, for example.
                      So your conclusions are at least not consistent ...
                      1. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 9 July 2020 13: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Dali
                        Quote: Corona without virus
                        I strongly, strongly doubt that they have rubbed ... at the beginning of the 90s the programs were tightly sewn into the ROM in the "beech", so they could not rub - they could only rewrite them - and that is hardly what we were doing, it was " base "for further processing of data from beech radar - like the laws of physics have not changed since then

                        Well then, you understand what the element base means, and that the beech then and the beech now are somewhat different beeches, including mechanics, drives, for example.
                        So your conclusions are at least not consistent ...

                        May be... drinks
                        Although since then, I think so, nothing has changed much in the laws of physics - and what we were doing then, it was a "classic of the genre" hi
              2. dali
                dali 2 July 2020 16: 23
                -3
                Quote: Dali
                Yes, and with logic you are not all right ... you do not distinguish a concept from actions suitable for this concept ...

                How then, in general, have you been allowed to take actions that carry state secrets, and, a virus without a crown? belay
                1. dali
                  dali 8 July 2020 23: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Dali
                  How then, in general, have you been allowed to take actions that carry state secrets, and, a virus without a crown?

                  And the arguments against gr. Minusuyuschim weakly express !!!
  • AML
    AML 2 July 2020 14: 01
    +1
    Quote: Sahalinets
    In truth, democracy in Russia ended back in 96.


    It is over everywhere. I posted on FB the info about the fact that BMW painted its logo in rainbow colors and that the BMW owners were a little bit crazy - they banned after 10 minutes. Not that I really missed the FB, but democracy in action on the face. As for me, Russia is now much more democratic than the West.
  • GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 2 July 2020 14: 04
    +1
    I agree with the title.
    I did not go to the polls and do not regret it.
    The Constitution is still the same "written under the dictation of the West", well, they did a little bit of adjustment. The main thing was to push through the amendment on the extension, and the rest of the screen .. Yes, and these amendments are meaningless because the constitution was not observed before them, why should it begin to be observed now? Nothing will change, there will be the same stagnation with economic growth in the area of ​​statistical error, with the fall of the ruble and military show-offs.

    P.S. Crimea, if anything, ours.
    1. dali
      dali 2 July 2020 15: 46
      -3
      Quote: GRIGORIY76
      I did not go to the polls and do not regret it.

      My hut from the edge ... I don’t know anything.
      If anything, you can’t even make verbal claims in falsification of voting !!!
      And if the majority voted for, and, suddenly, for some reason, it turned out to be a mistake in some future, then you even say "but I was right, and you are all suckers" ...

      So, they would have been silent already, they would have gone for the clever ...
      1. GRIGORIY76
        GRIGORIY76 2 July 2020 17: 47
        +2
        I will never sit at the table with a sharpie. In any case, deceive.