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Data on the preliminary results of voting on the Constitution. Interview

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How did you vote?

For - 172 (33.4%)
33.4%
Against - 156 (30.29%)
30.29%
Did not participate - 187 (36.31%)
36.31%
Data on the preliminary results of voting on the Constitution. Interview

As of the current moment, more than 99% of the protocols have been processed based on the results of the voting held in Russia from June 25 to July 1. Citizens of the country were asked by the authorities to answer the question of whether they support amendments to the Constitution. At the same time, there was only one question in the ballot, suggesting the so-called “package” voting.


According to the CEC, the turnout at the vote on constitutional amendments was 65%. A few hours ago it was reported that about 76% of the voters put a mark in the “For” box. Thus, it turned out that as a whole 49,4% support the amendments - less than half of the total number of Russians entitled to vote.

Some time ago, the CEC announced that the number of voters voted for the amendments was 78 with a small percentage. In the same scenario (about 65% of the turnout), the total number of Russians who supported the proposed amendments to the fundamental law is 50,7% - respectively, more than half of all citizens entitled to vote.

It is noted that 21,16% of Russians, after processing 99,1% of the protocols, voted against the amendments.

We invite our readers to talk about whether they (you) took part in the vote and to participate in our poll regarding which option (For or Against) of the amendments to the vote was chosen.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 2 July 2020 06: 21
    31
    I quote from the early:
    "... We promised you to win?
    ...Yes...
    And We won! ... "
    All. The curtain....
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 2 July 2020 06: 31
      51
      Nazariy - "won" or rather, they screwed us up when they made a two-in-one sandwich - amendments to the constitution, and the question of self-zeroing of the terms of the reign to the supreme self-zero! If it were only about amendments to the constitution, the turnout would be, like the results, completely different! People are simply tired of eternal promises, of the lies of the authorities, of the impossibility of influencing the future of our country. So, the results were such that they are needed not by the people of the country, but by the Kremlin!
      1. mdsr
        mdsr 2 July 2020 06: 52
        36
        Quote: Thrifty
        Nazariy - "won" or, more precisely, they screwed us up when they made a two-in-one sandwich - amendments to the constitution, and the question of self-zeroing of the terms of the reign to the supreme self-zero!

        What did you think? What will be all honestly? No, citizens. The Ozerkovsky did not come to power in order to give it so easily. Yes, and do not give such a feeder without a fight. And you are here about the voting ballot. Naive and stupid negative
        1. Deck
          Deck 2 July 2020 07: 06
          72
          Changes since 2000 in Russia

          Of schools
          It was: 68
          It became: 40 800

          Hospitals
          It was: 10
          It became: 5 300

          Emergency housing
          It was: 9.5 million square meters. m
          It became: 25.5 million square meters. m

          Officials
          It was: 1
          It became: 2 156 300

          Billionaires
          It was: 0
          It became: 99

          Probably just the constitution was bad.
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 2 July 2020 07: 30
            20
            It is bad, and it remains so until a new one appears. This rubbish needs to be changed completely.
            1. Deck
              Deck 2 July 2020 07: 36
              41
              That is, the current (or eternal president) guaranteed it for 20 years, guaranteed but not guaranteed? Exhausted and asked for another 20 years?
              1. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 2 July 2020 07: 55
                26 th
                Tereshkova asked Valentina, she was supported. I personally do not mind. The main thing is that there is a turning point in the structure of the state, a complete abolition of the constitution of ebn.
                1. Pereira
                  Pereira 2 July 2020 08: 11
                  15
                  Full cancellation will no longer be. The guarantor guarantees another 20 years.
                  1. Vladimir16
                    Vladimir16 2 July 2020 13: 35
                    16 th
                    Quote: Thrifty
                    Nazariy - "won" or rather, they fucked us when ...

                    God grant that it would be so with you further.
                    What would you always have in Russia.
                    Liberty sheets of all stripes and thieving bureaucrats now scratch turnips and give how to live on.
                    Get used to it.

                    The people voted for the amendments. good
                    No buggers.
                    No subjects of other states in the power of Russia.
                    No to the Japanese and other dill. No islands or peninsulas.
                    No laws of Europe and the United States on our land.
                    Well and so on on the list. wink

                    1. Uran53
                      Uran53 2 July 2020 13: 51
                      0
                      About the relatives of those who are in power for some reason "forgot", with the Japanese and dill, you can negotiate, and so in Russia they did not much complain. Question: so what is the victory?
                      1. Campanella
                        Campanella 2 July 2020 14: 04
                        +4
                        "Not very much liked" is not an argument.
                        No one thought that the USSR might suddenly fall apart, and you will reprimand.
                        They’ll try this sweet LGBT and you won’t stop it. It's just that life is such a struggle for balance.
                        There will be no balance and there will be no life.
                        Why is such crap happening in the West, because people have been taken away from real freedom, and instead of it all stuff is shoved and called it free choice. And we pray for this stinking rotten west and do not even want to think.
                        Here, all the time, the advocates of capitalism, stubborn to the end, crawl out of their pants, watering communism! They have chestnuts in place of their brains!
                    2. MBRSS
                      MBRSS 3 July 2020 03: 42
                      +1
                      No to the Japanese and other dill. No islands or peninsulas.

                      Can the Chinese be? (This is me about Damansky and other islands that Putin gave.)
                2. U-58
                  U-58 2 July 2020 11: 05
                  14
                  Valentina Tereshkova
                  For the epic deflection
                  They repaired what they gave
                  Over space flight ©
                3. Yarik
                  Yarik 2 July 2020 13: 19
                  14
                  A fracture in the state will not happen, until such as you have a fracture in the brain. As long as there are people like you who are hoping for a 1000 ruble increase in pension from Siluanov: travel, support children (as in China), do not choose what to buy for the last penny, BREAD or medicine ... There will NOT be a fracture. Not for this they are engaged in forgery, stuffing and other abominations that would leave the king on the throne.
                  1. Herman 4223
                    Herman 4223 2 July 2020 13: 51
                    -3
                    I don’t know about you, but personally I don’t hope for anything with the current state structure. Only we have different understandings of the one who rules in our country. For you it is king, but for me it is the United States through international institutions and thanks to the EBN constitution. Therefore, there can be no benefits in the country until the whole system changes.
                  2. Campanella
                    Campanella 2 July 2020 14: 11
                    +3
                    It’s right so long as people like you think that Putin is the fiend of hell and doesn’t understand the simple thing that he is the copyright of the Western system of values.
                    King Navalny will come, or any other will be the same.
                    It is necessary to leave the system of "Western values" Then there will be a chance to remain human.
                    And I know only one idea opposing this capitalist sabbath-socialism-communism!
                    1. qQQQ
                      qQQQ 2 July 2020 15: 09
                      +8
                      Quote: Campanella
                      It’s right so long as people like you think that Putin is the fiend of hell and doesn’t understand the simple thing that he is the copyright of the Western system of values.
                      King Navalny will come, or any other will be the same.
                      It is necessary to leave the system of "Western values" Then there will be a chance to remain human.
                      And I know only one idea opposing this capitalist sabbath-socialism-communism!

                      I categorically support that there is no difference who was in power (will be) under the existing state system.
                    2. DVR
                      DVR 2 July 2020 23: 23
                      +1
                      It’s right so long as people like you think that Putin is the fiend of hell and doesn’t understand the simple thing that he is the copyright of the Western system of values.
                      King Navalny will come, or any other will be the same.

                      You have cognitive dissonance.
                      It is necessary to leave the system of "Western values" Then there will be a chance to remain human. And I only know one idea opposed to this capitalist sabbath-socialism-communism

                      Your suggestions? What are we doing, comrade? laughing
                      1. Campanella
                        Campanella 2 July 2020 23: 31
                        0
                        I have not only a discord, but also an imbalance of respect for power ...)))
                        The first thing to do is, as Valentin Rasputin said, "from the population to become the people again!"
                        And then it will be seen.
                      2. DVR
                        DVR 2 July 2020 23: 43
                        -2
                        The first thing to do is, as Valentin Rasputin said, "from the population to become the people again!"

                        This is a good offer, in my opinion, but what is it in modern conditions?
                        But what to do? You did not answer the question:
                        Your suggestions? What are we doing, comrade?
              2. Region68
                Region68 3 July 2020 08: 15
                +1
                Where do you come from is interesting to me ..
              3. Igor K
                Igor K 3 July 2020 23: 45
                0
                From that Tereshkova that flew into space and we knew there was nothing left.
            2. aglet
              aglet 3 July 2020 10: 03
              0
              "Exhausted and asked for another 20 years?"
              no, success is evident! about success, see above
        2. Malyuta
          Malyuta 2 July 2020 08: 45
          11
          Quote: Deck
          Changes since 2000 in Russia

          Of schools
          It was: 68
          It became: 40 800

          This is a breakthrough in the 19th century!
        3. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener 2 July 2020 08: 47
          14
          When these figures in the form of pictures are published in groups with an audience of 16-20 years, it is still clear why they are taken seriously. But on this resource it looks strange.
          Let me remind you of such names as Prokhorov, Potanin, Khodorkovsky, Deripaska, Abramovich, Berezovsky
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 08: 52
            +4
            Quote: Servisinzhener
            Let me remind you of such names as Prokhorov, Potanin, Khodorkovsky, Deripaska, Abramovich, Berezovsky

            This is what?
            1. Servisinzhener
              Servisinzhener 2 July 2020 08: 57
              12
              Moreover, according to forum users Deck (Pertti) in 2000, there were no billionaires.
              In general, in different variations of this picture in the line, their number has become different. Sometimes instead of billionaires they write oligarchs.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 09: 05
                +1
                Oh, got it. I did not get it initially about the picture.
                1. Deck
                  Deck 2 July 2020 09: 16
                  +2
                  Yes exaggeration
                  Boris Berezovsky - $ 3 billion; Mikhail Khodorkovsky - $ 2,4 billion; Vagit Alekperov - $ 1,4 billion (20,7 now); Rem Vyakhirev - $ 1,4 billion; -Three retired.

                  But we have something to be proud of - the first hundred for 2019
                  from Leonid Michelson 24
                  to Vadim Yakunin 1,0

                  A HUNDRED!
                  1. neri73-r
                    neri73-r 2 July 2020 12: 07
                    0
                    The persons you have indicated are children on a global scale. Forbes also came up with this to veil the real rich. Why doesn't Forbes publish the aggregate income of some families ?! That's where you have to rummage. hi
                  2. krillon
                    krillon 2 July 2020 22: 36
                    +2
                    Let's answer the question? Are we against the rich? Me not. Those who have achieved financial prosperity due to their abilities, talent, my respect. I am against poverty and misery. And categorically against when they try to be fooled by stating that citizens earning 17.000 belong to the middle class. But it is, emotions. We have no civil society and probably will not. The realization that it is necessary to change the vector of development of the country did not come. What is expressed the greatness of the country, where were they going and what are the prospects, can anyone give an answer? Personally, I see state capitalism in which an official becomes a deity, working not for the interests of the state but for his own. By the way, the Duma rejected the initiative to have foreign property for the deputies. They are here on a shift so to speak, they will make a fortune and live in quiet places.
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 2 July 2020 23: 09
                      +1
                      Without citizenship and accounts abroad, it is very difficult to buy property there and most importantly it will be very difficult to maintain it all the more so in the West they started getting money from where to buy this property and you don’t provide documents in your accounts; all your property will be seized along with accounts like a Nazarbayev family’s villa arrested.
                    2. krillon
                      krillon 2 July 2020 23: 56
                      +2
                      But it's impossible for me, there is no such money. But the officials and the deputies have them. Brzezinski wrote in his book "The Grand Chessboard", "since 500 billion dollars of the Russian elite lie in our banks, you will have to figure it out; is it your elite or already ours."
                  3. Campanella
                    Campanella 2 July 2020 23: 40
                    +2
                    Trite, not relevant and smacks of liberal bourgeois agitation.
                    I am against the rich, no matter how they achieved it, but I am against poverty and poverty and lack of rights.
                    God created us about the same, that's how we should live. And all of these, your honestly acquired, are twisted. I fully admit that people who gave their health in the name of the common good or because of insurmountable circumstances have the right to support the state. And everything else is from the evil one.
                  4. MBRSS
                    MBRSS 3 July 2020 03: 59
                    +4
                    Those who have achieved financial prosperity due to their abilities, talent, my respect.

                    But I have no respect for the Forbes rogues, even if capable and talented, no. Because:
                    "There is a crime behind every great fortune" (c) Balzac.
                2. aglet
                  aglet 3 July 2020 10: 17
                  +1
                  "HUNDRED!" And,
                  but in the overall standings, they were rather weak; for 2020, Russia was only in 4th place in the number of billionaires. there is still much to strive for, there is an unplowed field for work. so get ready - tighten your belts, revise your diets, zero out dreams and desires. yes, and buckwheat stock up until prices have risen, how could you do without it
        4. aglet
          aglet 3 July 2020 10: 08
          +1
          "Let me remind you of such names as Prokhorov, Potanin, Khodorkovsky, Deripaska, Abramovich, Berezovsky"
          it is because of them- "Schools
          It was: 68
          It became: 40 "- well, they are radishes, tell the tsar, otherwise he does not know, he still cleans the constitution with a brick, and here, there it is, mikhalych ...
      2. Odessa Greek
        Odessa Greek 2 July 2020 08: 51
        0
        FU, frank troll, my friend, are you, by any chance, from the armies of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?)))) Something is burning you badly)). I myself voted for the changes and there are a lot of my friends too. I do not need Ze parsley in Russia, so bite your ass and write your "truth" about the collapse in Russia)))
        1. evgenii67
          evgenii67 2 July 2020 09: 11
          27
          Quote: Odessa Greek
          FU, frank troll, my friend, are you, by any chance, from the armies of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?)))) Something is burning you badly)). I myself voted for the changes and there are a lot of my friends too. I do not need Ze parsley in Russia, so bite your ass and write your "truth" about the collapse in Russia)))


          But I voted against and all my acquaintances and friends voted against, or did not go at all, moreover, even my dad voted against, although he always voted for GDP. This vote is a performance, a circus, anything, but obviously not fair elections. The main task is to ensure a high turnout, state employees here, please, and many private enterprises too, for example, I work for a private trader, so the elections were organized at the enterprise, turnout is mandatory 100%, and where you put a tick there is no longer important. By the way, I asked my colleagues in the workshop not only from my shift, almost everything was against it. Here are such things.
          1. BAI
            BAI 2 July 2020 10: 58
            -2
            А I voted ........... This vote is a performance, a circus,

            Well, they took part in this performance as a clown. Why shout now?
            1. Thunderbringer
              Thunderbringer 2 July 2020 12: 56
              -7
              Clowns are just those who shouted here that is all. Now the kaaak people will take to the streets, kaaak will overthrow the regime.
              All this, of course, was a lie.
              And the people were not the same.
              Now the Internet fighters burns. They expectedly lost.
              The party Apple was especially enchanting.
              Their leaders for 2 months from all the irons squealed that there was no need to vote, it was all a hoax.
              And on the last day they took and changed their shoes, went and voted. Of course against (according to them).
              It can be seen that the strategy did not work.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 2 July 2020 15: 00
              -9
              You clowns even drove to vote in the VO, you can not moan and moan, leave all your garbage in your cesspool head where all sorts of icteric media constantly dump it, and you open it with great joy.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 20: 51
                +4
                Quote: Vadim237
                You clowns even drove to vote in the VO

                Who drove whom, Vadim?
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 2 July 2020 23: 11
                  -5
                  Your vote Against.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 23: 43
                    +6
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    Your vote Against.

                    I did not go. I don’t see the point, which I wrote here repeatedly.
          2. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 2 July 2020 12: 50
            12 th
            Quote: evgenii67
            And I voted against and all my acquaintances and friends voted against,

            That is: against indexing pensions, outsourcing Russian lands, against having bureaucrats have accounts abroad, having double citizenship (insurance abroad for your ass), protecting family values ​​and banning homosexuals -?
            But he expressed his "Fi" against Putin.
            For 100 years, we have been in power:
            Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Chernenko, Andropov, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Medvedev and Putin.
            Well, and compared with the previous ones? After all, the next one could be the same as Yeltsin, in which there were more beggars and homeless people than after the Second World War, and a country around the world asked for a deny.
            And what would you have achieved with your "NO" if the amendments to the constitution had not passed?
            The question is, to whom have they been cheating?
            1. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 2 July 2020 19: 44
              +5
              Quote: Bad_gr
              against indexation of pensions

              Are you either naive or stubborn. Is it possible to index it by 1 and 5%. And on the distribution of Russian lands? Is it like the old constitution allowed to give the Chinese Damansky and the Norwegians a piece in the North?
          3. Yarik
            Yarik 2 July 2020 13: 23
            +7
            we were all against it too. What surprised, obviously, elderly people stood at the exit from the site, mostly women, and discussed this farce. It was audible that from their words, everyone voted against because of scammers with pensions
          4. Campanella
            Campanella 2 July 2020 15: 05
            10 th
            And I always voted against Putin, but I voted for the amendments.
            It would be better to have amendments to this Yeltsinoid Constitution than the Sabbath of opposition leaders calling in a democratic capitalist paradise!
            I agree with Zyuganov on the good need a new constitution, and not this Yeltsin burp. Well, what to do even so.
      3. your1970
        your1970 2 July 2020 12: 01
        0
        Quote: Deck
        Emergency housing
        It was: 9.5 million square meters. m
        It became: 25.5 million square meters. m

        Officials
        It was: 1
        It became: 2 156 300

        But this is a lie ...
        Both for emergency housing and officials
      4. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 2 July 2020 12: 48
        12
        Quote: Deck
        Billionaires
        It was: 0
        It became: 99

        According to the latest data - 102, according to the updated - 104 ...

        Over the past 2 months, the total fortune of Russian oligarchs has increased:
        Over the past two months, the number of dollar billionaires in Russia has increased from 102 to 104 people, and their combined wealth has grown from $ 392 billion to $ 454 billion ... During the pandemic, the combined fortune of Russian dollar billionaires has increased by $ 62 billion - from $ 392 billion to $ 454 billion , according to the Forbes Real Time counter, which estimates the change in state of the world's richest people in real time. We took March 18 as a reference point for comparison - this date was chosen for the final calculation of the conditions of businessmen included in the Forbes list of 2020
      5. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 2 July 2020 14: 41
        0
        Changes since 2000 in Russia

        Which city are you from?
      6. kot28.ru
        kot28.ru 2 July 2020 14: 42
        0
        In 2000, there were no billionaires in Russia? Well, insolently lying is too much hi
      7. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 15: 16
        13 th
        And also:
        Increased life expectancy
        Alcohol consumption decreased
        Child and maternal mortality decreased (by more than 3 times)
        GDP increased at times - nominal GDP by 8,4 times (from $ 0,19 to $ 1,60 trillion), PPP GDP at current prices by 3,8 times (from $ 1 to 3,8 trillion)
        12,5-fold reduction in inflation
        A stabilization fund has been created.
        Criminal Crime Reduction
        Russia has achieved a leading position in the production of a number of agricultural products
        1. victor50
          victor50 3 July 2020 06: 42
          +4
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          And also:
          Increased life expectancy
          Alcohol consumption decreased
          Child and maternal mortality decreased (by more than 3 times)
          GDP increased at times - nominal GDP by 8,4 times (from $ 0,19 to $ 1,60 trillion), PPP GDP at current prices by 3,8 times (from $ 1 to 3,8 trillion)
          12,5-fold reduction in inflation
          A stabilization fund has been created.
          Criminal Crime Reduction
          Russia has achieved a leading position in the production of a number of agricultural products

          Are you comparing it since 1913 ?! laughing Forgot to add: About 80% of voters voted for amendments in St. Petersburg with a turnout of 75%. Super achievement! The authorities, who did not want to change the constitution for 20 years, will unfold with new amendments! lol Whereas the usual turnout in St. Petersburg does not exceed 30% (while dramatically increasing in the last 2 hours laughing ). And the vote "for" was always a little over 50%. The people are awake! Realized! Supported! Realized what was missing! Let's live! We will overtake the whole world! laughing Liked about life expectancy! If tomorrow the retirement age will need to be raised to 70 years, it will be immediately higher with us than in Japan! laughing In general, this is your power! Enjoy it! Do not think of others. And there’s another mystery according to his native Peter: there were 2 times fewer patients with the crown and several times more deaths? To the mystery of nature - as the hero of one film said. Maybe the same thing with the elections? I will not say that I interviewed many, but I do not know a single person who voted at 75% of the turnout. Maybe in my environment there are no people like you .... supporters of everyone and everyone !?
      8. vavilon
        vavilon 2 July 2020 15: 24
        +2
        What do you compare with the Soviet legacy? if you compare it so you need to compare with 80 years but not 2000
        By this comparison, you want to say that it was the liberal Yeltsin Russia built!?
        Complete nonsense,
        But why did you forget to add that people didn’t get salaries for 3-5 months, military conflicts on the territory of the country, And what about these millionaires, do these names say nothing to you? such as Khodorkovsky Gusinsky, Berezovsky and the like
        And your comparison of delusional numbers is pure provocation.
    2. ximkim
      ximkim 2 July 2020 16: 27
      -3
      Yes, all honestly. Really voted for the amendments. Not only in the commentary was to the article ..
  2. Fungus
    Fungus 2 July 2020 07: 44
    +3
    I love when the opponents of Russia burns. It's good)
    1. Arlen
      Arlen 2 July 2020 08: 45
      20
      Quote: Fungus
      I love when the opponents of Russia burns.

      The enemy of Russia and its people is immediately visible by its joy for the adopted anti-people laws wink tongue hi
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 2 July 2020 10: 00
        -5
        Quote: Arlen
        The enemy of Russia and its people is immediately visible by its joy for the adopted anti-people laws

        And what anti-popular constitutional amendments were adopted? What are changes in the structure of power? Indexing Pensions? Child protection? Protection of family education? Protection of culture and heritage? The minimum wage is not less than the cost of living (although how it will be implemented if it is different in the regions). For example, I really like the changes in Article 67. You cannot alienate your territories, but you can demarcate and immediately form a federal subject of the Russian Federation. Well, let's say Donbas to the Russian Federation can already be accepted in accordance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 2 July 2020 10: 32
          15
          Quote: Tusv
          And what anti-popular constitutional amendments were adopted?

          there was a guaranteed medical care!
          Did you catch the difference?
          3,5% of GDP is spent on healthcare in Russia (at least 5% is recommended). According to this indicator, Russia occupies 65th place (between Libya and Macedonia) * (551), in terms of health care - 125th place.
          Now don't complain about bad doctors laughing
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 2 July 2020 11: 27
            -1
            Quote: Silvestr
            there was a guaranteed medical care!
            Did you catch the difference?

            And where did you see the abolition of compulsory medical care? The prison threatens for refusal. They added the compulsory medical insurance, which has been working for 10 years and insurance has been put even for the homeless, if there is a passport. Further, for this insurance, the employer pays 5.1% of your RFP + Social Insurance Fund 2.9% and for injuries - a floating rate, depending on the type of activity. So everything is past in your post
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 2 July 2020 11: 32
              +6
              Quote: Tusv
              And where did you see the abolition of compulsory medical care?


              Quote: Tusv
              The prison threatens for refusal. They added the compulsory medical insurance, which has been working for 10 years and insurance has been put even for the homeless, if there is a passport.

              and how does it work? I see this for a long time, from the inside
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 2 July 2020 11: 41
                -8
                and how does it work? I see this for a long time, from the inside

                Go get the MHI policy. To do this, you need only two documents. PFR insurance number and passport.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 2 July 2020 11: 42
                  13
                  Quote: Tusv
                  Go get the MHI policy.

                  go get medical treatment on it! Read carefully
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  I see this for a long time, from the inside
                  1. Tusv
                    Tusv 2 July 2020 11: 56
                    -6
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    go get medical treatment on it!

                    I do not go to doctors for VHI. And so signed up for public services and forward
                  2. New Year day
                    New Year day 2 July 2020 12: 04
                    12
                    Quote: Tusv
                    And so signed up for public services and forward

                    god help
                  3. ivagulin
                    ivagulin 2 July 2020 16: 21
                    +4
                    Sylvester, it's so useless to explain something until they themselves "don't understand to crack their muzzle on the asphalt." And about the policies in my area, already sick patients are assisted by a veterinarian, VETERINARY
                  4. New Year day
                    New Year day 2 July 2020 17: 08
                    +5
                    Quote: ivagulin
                    it’s useless to explain something until they themselves “do not crack their muzzle on the asphalt”

                    Unlike these heroes, I heard from generals with their pants down, I will live. While the lady with the scythe does not knock, they tryn- grass. Then fear in their head begins to give out adequate products
                2. Sotskiy
                  Sotskiy 2 July 2020 18: 53
                  +5
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Quote: Tusv
                  And so signed up for public services and forward

                  god help

                  lol Actually. Now he is in the RF Health Ministry. True do not specify which of. wink
              2. Thunderbringer
                Thunderbringer 2 July 2020 13: 01
                12 th
                You will come to such a doctor, and he will say to you: "I will not treat, Putin paid me little money."
                These fighters with the regime from the inside also need a kick for 101 kilometers.
                Pick out from the inside.
              3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 2 July 2020 14: 37
                +4
                Quote: Thunderbringer
                You will come to such a doctor, and he will say to you: "I will not treat, Putin paid me little money."
                These fighters with the regime from the inside also need a kick for 101 kilometers.
                Pick out from the inside.

                Or maybe vice versa to Muscovy (within 101 km)!
              4. New Year day
                New Year day 2 July 2020 17: 10
                +3
                Quote: Thunderbringer
                You will come to such a doctor, and he will say to you: "I will not treat, Putin paid me little money."

                Does it pay a lot? How much they paid, so much it returned to you. Does the hairdresser cut you for no reason? Service industry however
              5. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 21: 01
                +4
                Quote: Thunderbringer
                "I will not treat, Putin paid me little money."
                These fighters with the regime from the inside also need a kick for 101 kilometers.
                Pick out from the inside.

                Why is my sister, a nurse, getting three times less than my nurse aunt in Moscow?
            2. Kuzyakin15
              Kuzyakin15 2 July 2020 16: 33
              +9
              Tusv.
              Stop lying insolently: He signed up for public services and ...? If only paid. I went to the site ,, Work from the employer ,, - are required, are required, are required doctors of different specialties cf. medical staff, up to pence.
              And in our school. there is no ophthalmologist, urologist, rheumatologist, a cardiologist alone and do not give coupons to him ....
              Get to the therapist-coupons once a week, no earlier than 10 days later .. To pass the FGS, I spent a month and never passed. But in paid without any delay. And it is in an industrial city of 400000 population. In paradise centers and towns in general darkness. One doctor and surgeon and psychiatrist and neurologist.
              Free and affordable medicine. You’re lying with your head on a blue eye. Yes, and Mr. Petrov for the company with you.
            3. Tusv
              Tusv 2 July 2020 17: 53
              +1
              Quote: Kuzyakin15
              Stop lying insolently: He signed up for public services and ...?

              Which of us breaches it is still necessary to find out. Another thing I live in Moscow. I do not know how in other regions. I finally have the MHI policy ended 5 years ago. For new laziness to go. Moreover, the employer pays for VHI and there is no need to go far
            4. New Year day
              New Year day 4 July 2020 10: 14
              0
              Quote: Tusv
              Another thing I live in Moscow.

              so try medicine along the M-4 or even further. Moscow is not all Russia
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 13: 07
        -4
        What is wrong with compulsory medical insurance? I underwent a rather expensive ankle operation on it, I did it with high quality, and I bow deeply to the surgeon.
      3. Kuzyakin15
        Kuzyakin15 2 July 2020 16: 41
        +3
        AC. Ivanov.
        Did the quota? And how much did you wait?
        Last year, my aunt recognized a cataract, an urgent operation in one eye, the other still suffered. 50 pieces and no problem. The operation on the second-got in line for a quota.
        So do not treat us with treatment for compulsory medical insurance. In the hospital he still rolls in the majority, and in the outpatient clinic .... Kh. Z.
      4. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 17: 05
        0
        The operation was done two weeks after the injury. Vreden Institute of Orthopedics.
      5. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 2 July 2020 20: 08
        0
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        two weeks after being injured. Vreden Institute of Orthopedics.

        Analogy yes In the same place, 4th surgery. Only under the knee a joint from fragments was collected.
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 2 July 2020 18: 03
      0
      Enough already Kuzyakin carry all nonsense. About grandparents. And finally it never, from any side to the amendments to the Constitution does not roll. By picking up performers of power by announcement, and then claim I have a question. How much money have you been paid for libel? Did you serve in the army ?. And so. My third son is already receiving higher education on a budget and I am not humming. And no good. And four years ago, a tooth was torn out without a compulsory medical insurance policy in the clinic did not pay a dime. I repeat, I'm too lazy to go after him. Damn talk all nonsense
    3. Tusv
      Tusv 2 July 2020 18: 12
      +1
      Kuzyakin, good to treat. Laser correction of 120 pieces and then a year were waiting for the first eye, the second in six months. No one will heal his eyes from the bay of floundering, even for a lot of money. Aunt, grandmother, mother cured by compulsory medical insurance
    4. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 21: 09
      +2
      Quote: Kuzyakin15
      Last year, my aunt recognized a cataract, an urgent operation in one eye, the other still suffered.

      My mother is similar, but after the operation she began to see even worse.
  3. New Year day
    New Year day 2 July 2020 17: 14
    +2
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    I had a rather expensive ankle operation on it.

    Good zvizdet- expensive goes through the high-tech column, which means a quota or a red coupon from the Department of Health
  4. AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 17: 16
    -4
    Quota. But he did not wait long.
  5. New Year day
    New Year day 2 July 2020 17: 18
    +6
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    Quota

    So indicate.
  • Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 2 July 2020 15: 17
    -2
    and how does it work? I see this for a long time, from the inside

    Works
  • Serg65
    Serg65 2 July 2020 11: 38
    +6
    Quote: Silvestr
    Russia ranks 65th in this indicator

    And the United States, with its 19% of GDP, takes 1st place ... and how is it with mortality from coronovirus?
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 2 July 2020 11: 40
      +6
      Quote: Serg65
      And the United States, with its 19% of GDP, takes 1st place ... and how is it with mortality from coronovirus?

      so be logical to the end! How many doctors died there and with us? I know how mortality statistics are compiled — friends of the pathologists rewrote diagnoses weekly.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 2 July 2020 12: 40
        -2
        Quote: Silvestr
        How many doctors died there and with us?

        And how much ... am I asking you as a doctor?
        Quote: Silvestr
        How are mortality statistics formed with us, I know

        I believe that you know, but do not tell the truth anyway wink
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    2. Tusv
      Tusv 2 July 2020 12: 00
      -2
      Quote: Serg65
      and what about mortality from the coronovirus?

      Trump promised 200 thousand, now only 128
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 2 July 2020 12: 11
        +8
        Quote: Tusv
        Trump promised 200 thousand, now only 128

        read again
        Quote: Silvestr
        How many doctors died there and with us?

        or do you care how many doctors died with us? the main thing is that you are alive and well?
        Today, 526 people
        https://sites.google.com/view/covid-memory/home

        Share of physicians in the total number of deaths from Covid-19 by country
        Data for May 19 of this year
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 2 July 2020 12: 54
          -9
          Quote: Silvestr
          Today, 526 people

          To date, 19 thousand people have become ill with COVID-165 in Russia, of which 1 people have died - about 537%. Moreover, in the project “List of memory”, which is being led by an initiative group of Russian doctors, there are more than 1 names of doctors who died from coronavirus — 100% of all deaths.
          "Memory list" too does not pretend to be objective, since its developers add to the list of dead people on the basis of official data or statements of their colleagues or relatives. Doctors do not plan to check the information they received.
          At the same time, doctors in Russia are tested very often, because they can be one of the main carriers of the disease to other people.
          The exact number of infected and dead doctors in the world has not yet been disclosed. In the United Kingdom, about 100 medical personnel also died in an epidemic similar to Russia. In Italy, the first 100 dead doctors were when 18 thousand people died in the country.

          Fekomet you Selvester, not a doctor!
          1. Iline
            Iline 2 July 2020 14: 39
            +5
            To date, according to official information in the Saratov region, 860 doctors are infected with this infection. They are modestly silent on the dead, only sometimes information breaks through them. This week came across the information that the head died. department of one of the hospitals. And such information periodically appears in print. And officially in this area of ​​the dead for this reason 44 people. But deaths as they say from concomitant diseases, but in the presence of a coronovirus about 200. So think here where is the truth.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 2 July 2020 17: 29
            +5
            Quote: Serg65
            Fekomet you Selvester, not a doctor!

            But Sobyanin of a different opinion
            tongue laughing
            And if you delve into the topic, then read Rospotrebnadzor. Then in your head there will be a clarification.
            And so, you are an amateur of the lowest quality on this topic
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 21: 12
            +1
            Quote: Serg65
            Fekomet you Selvester, not a doctor!

            Do not spit in the well ... crying
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 July 2020 15: 05
      0
      Today in the United States, 48000 people broke the record for XNUMX-hour coronavirus infection - demonstrations work.
      1. Kuzyakin15
        Kuzyakin15 2 July 2020 16: 49
        +3
        Vadim237.
        What are you popping USA, China .....
        Ah, in China, not everyone pays pensions. Ah, in the USA, an ambulance ...
        Yes, we do not care about them by and large. We live in Russia and want to live humanly.
        Just don’t have to say that we should work and improve our lives.
        We are working. And for 6 days a week and already basically and for 10-12 hours, contrary to the Labor Code. But something does not come out of the experience.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 July 2020 23: 24
          0
          Excuse me. But who are we - are you? Whoever studied what works and turn on your mind, now every creator of his own happiness - a market economy with all its negative consequences, the state will not do anything for you, it just built a road but you run along it and overcome obstacles on it.
        2. Region68
          Region68 3 July 2020 08: 51
          -3
          In the USA, an ambulance and for some reason they live 10 years longer
  • Iline
    Iline 2 July 2020 12: 12
    +9
    At first glance, an inexperienced man in verbiage, everything is written very beautifully. BUT....
    On the indexation of pensions. Military pensioners faced this long before modern times. The law was written just as beautifully, only the end of the sentence was not good, just like in the current constitution. This indexation is left to the government. And it does not say how much this pension should be indexed. They will give an increase of 1 ruble and you won’t prove anything to anyone, even to the constitutional court. They say that the increase has occurred and this is consistent with the basic law.
    According to the minimum wage. The allowance for outright parasites and the unemployed in developed countries, let's call them that at the level of our official wages, let alone the minimum wage. Not ashamed? And what prevents the government from changing the cost of living to change 3 kg. 2 for macaroni and instead of 3 potatoes to consider sufficient 2? Of course, I exaggerate, but these are just the pitfalls. The rulers, instead of fighting the hucksters from production with gray salaries, adopted a law on raising the retirement age. Do we live longer? They just calculated that with this very minimum wage, when working up to 60 years, a person will not earn a pension. Interested in how many people, at least in your region, did not receive a pension when they reached the age of 60? And these are people who have worked in production all their lives. It is a shame to look at this official cost of living.
    Well, further in the text. For the same medicine - there is compulsory medical insurance, and it is almost impossible to get to the doctor within a month. The disease does not turn off during the waiting period. And often they are not sent to the necessary specialist, but to the therapist, who offers nothing but a referral to analyzes and offers to "listen" to me. When asked why all this is needed, if, roughly speaking, my heels are itching, he answers that it is necessary. The casket just opens - money. Everyone wants to pinch off this policy imitating violent activity.
    I'm tired, you can write a lot more
  • victor50
    victor50 3 July 2020 06: 44
    +1
    Quote: Tusv
    Changes in the structure of power?

    And the State Council? Do you know anything about him?
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 2 July 2020 19: 53
    -1
    Quote: Fungus
    I love when the opponents of Russia burns. It's good)

    Russia, do you feel the itch? Putinists crawl over you
  • TuM0305
    TuM0305 2 July 2020 08: 51
    -7
    We look forward to raising the retirement age! Housing and communal services has already grown since July 1! What will he do, silently sit? What are the suggestions?
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 2 July 2020 11: 03
      +2
      Quote: TuM0305
      What will he do, silently sit? What are the suggestions?

      There is no fir tree, all together we will put pots on our heads, as in a neighboring country, and with the dream of lace panties, we will go to burn the tires, so that "prosperity" will come to the amusement of the mattresses.
    2. ZAV69
      ZAV69 2 July 2020 11: 17
      +8
      Quote: TuM0305
      We look forward to raising the retirement age! Housing and communal services has already grown since July 1! What will he do, silently sit? What are the suggestions?

      Housing and communal services is growing every year since July 1. Why were they silent that year?
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 2 July 2020 12: 59
      +2
      Quote: TuM0305
      We look forward to raising the retirement age! Housing and communal services has already grown since July 1! What will he do, silently sit? What are the suggestions?

      Hell knows:
      The authorities of Kuzbass postponed the increase in housing and communal services fees from July to September. Timing was delayed due to coronavirus. In the electronic bulletin of the Government of Kuzbass published a new resolution “On the approval of limit indices for changing the size of utility bills paid by citizens for 2020”. Thus, utility bills will not change until August 31.
      According to the document, the highest growth is expected in Novokuznetsk and Kemerovo. The marginal indices of changes in payments for housing services are 15%. The lowest is in the Belogorsky urban settlement of the Tisulsky district, where the marginal change will be 3,2%

      I'll wait for the military pension indexation:
      On October 1, 2020, pensions will be indexed to military pensioners this year. It will be 3%. Pension indexation in 2021 is also budgeted at 4%.

      The state will not leave us ... until the last shirt takes off ... lol
    4. tacet
      tacet 2 July 2020 15: 08
      -4
      It has grown wildly, now it’s necessary to work more for 30 minutes a month to compensate for this growth.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 2 July 2020 09: 24
    +4
    Quote: Thrifty

    Nazariy - "won" or rather, they screwed us up when they made a sandwich two in one - amendments to the constitution,

    Fucked earlier on December 8 1] 991, and now the process of "taking" is only being polished. Only one of the entire corps of deputies Baburin opposed.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 2 July 2020 11: 40
      +3
      Quote: tihonmarine
      One of the entire corps of deputies Baburin opposed.

      Baburin always speaks out against his wife! laughing
  • Svarog
    Svarog 2 July 2020 09: 28
    11 th
    Quote: Thrifty
    So, the results were what they are needed not by the people of the country, but by the Kremlin!

    I did not go anywhere. I don’t have more than one acquaintance who would go to vote, but, according to the media, turnout is at 80% everywhere, and some regions are generally at 90%?
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 2 July 2020 11: 08
      0
      Like that..
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 2 July 2020 11: 52
        +5
        Quote: paul3390
        Like that..



        watch from the 13th second


      2. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 2 July 2020 13: 10
        -3
        Quote: paul3390
        Like that..

        And if in this ballot box the questionnaires were put by those who went around the apartments, going around the disabled and old people, from exit plots, profiles of those who voted earlier? How then will the profiles lie, one at a time or in piles?
        1. Iline
          Iline 2 July 2020 13: 40
          +3
          And if those who went around the apartments put up profiles in this ballot box,

          These ballots are packaged in separate packages, packages are sealed, locked in a safe, again sealed, and stored in this form until the vote counts.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 21: 15
          0
          Quote: Bad_gr
          And if in this ballot box the questionnaires were put by those who went around the apartments, going around the disabled and old people, from exit plots, profiles of those who voted earlier?

          But what for is it necessary?
      3. Thunderbringer
        Thunderbringer 2 July 2020 13: 17
        +2
        Oops ... the shadow under the right pack was incorrectly drawn. Carefully make fakes.
        1. Iline
          Iline 2 July 2020 13: 44
          +2
          Here you cannot cite references to primary sources, I already have one warning from the administrators, but the Saratov Election Commission officially recognized this fact, the ballots were invalidated. This happened in Saratov at a polling station at the Aurora school.
      4. codetalker
        codetalker 2 July 2020 13: 41
        -1
        It's fake. The stacks are identical and do not reflect in the side walls. You were deceived, and you believed ...
    2. Vend
      Vend 2 July 2020 17: 58
      +2
      Quote: Svarog
      Quote: Thrifty
      So, the results were what they are needed not by the people of the country, but by the Kremlin!

      I did not go anywhere. I don’t have more than one acquaintance who would go to vote, but, according to the media, turnout is at 80% everywhere, and some regions are generally at 90%?

      You and all your acquaintances, friends of acquaintances, relatives of acquaintances, etc. and did not consider you among 35 percent laughing
  • Vend
    Vend 2 July 2020 10: 04
    +5
    Quote: Thrifty
    Nazariy - "won" or rather, they screwed us up when they made a two-in-one sandwich - amendments to the constitution, and the question of self-zeroing of the terms of the reign to the supreme self-zero! If it were only about amendments to the constitution, the turnout would be, like the results, completely different! People are simply tired of eternal promises, of the lies of the authorities, of the impossibility of influencing the future of our country. So, the results were such that they are needed not by the people of the country, but by the Kremlin!

    So that you are not raped, you must be among those who voted FOR. You are from 22%, so get used to it laughing
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 2 July 2020 17: 37
      0
      Well, yes, sarcasm ... The result is really such that they fucked everyone. On the Internet, people have posted photos with protocols from sites where the results are close to 50 to 50, in favor of "For". This looks like the truth. But according to the Central Executive Committee "For" by a huge margin, and only the rebellious Nenets Autonomous Okrug is against. In 60 to 40, I would have believed, but no, it was necessary to create the appearance of universal approval. For otherwise, the sanctions against the governors and other leaders ... 2036 ... I graduated from the Institute in 1994, graduate school in 1999, in 2036 I will retire ... Almost all my conscious life with him ... Stability, however.
  • fyvaprold
    fyvaprold 2 July 2020 11: 43
    -4
    Quote: Thrifty
    raped us when we made a two-in-one sandwich — amendments to the constitution, and the question of self-annulment of the reign of the supreme self-nullified!

    Usbagoyte, "swindled", zeroing the deadline does not guarantee election, or even nomination. However, if all the "offended by the authorities" would not have hammered in the vote, perhaps the result could have been different. Although no, 2% do not decide anything. laughing
  • bk316
    bk316 2 July 2020 12: 18
    +1
    raped us when we made a two-in-one sandwich - amendments to the constitution, and the question of self-zeroing the terms

    Well this is a matter of feeling laughing You - yes have raped just feel. Joke.

    I wrote here more than a year ago: GDP will leave when it wants and on its own terms (well, or when God takes it away). And for this there are a huge number of different ways. The constitution is not the most elegant - but the most intelligible. GDP such as you sent MAXIMUM intelligible message: it is not up to you to decide when to leave. You have not been raped, they have only shown your weakness.

    Well, since the rest of the sandwich even suits you, take it as given and rejoice. After all, Putin is not eternal .... Now, if he will steer until 80, this is a disaster. And if he leaves the winner when he feels that he cannot steer - well done. Personally, I think that in reality there will be something third.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 2 July 2020 20: 03
      0
      Quote: bk316
      GDP such as you sent the MAXIMUM intelligible message: it is not up to you to decide when to leave

      He’s just hammering a nail with his own hands. The patience of the people is not unlimited. That's how tricky I deceived everyone. He will end up like Brezhnev
  • codetalker
    codetalker 2 July 2020 13: 40
    -1
    If we were only talking about amendments to the constitution, the turnout would be like the results completely different!

    Do you want to say that without the amendment to “zero” people would not go to vote?
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 2 July 2020 17: 47
      +1
      If there were no zeroing, then the vote would not have been started, because there is nothing serious that could not be accepted by laws. Even the supremacy of our laws over import does not require inclusion in the constitution. You just need to send everyone the forest and that's it. The USSR somehow managed without these formulations, simply took and acted as it considered necessary.
      But having lost their head ...
      Do you want to say that without the amendment to “zero” people would not go to vote?
      I think that in this situation the honest result of those who were "For" would be similar to the one announced by the CEC.
  • mechanic33
    mechanic33 2 July 2020 15: 36
    -1
    dear Berezhlivy, those who wanted to overly politicize the process of adopting the amendments, in fact, turned out to be untenable and unconvincing, perhaps if there were a different time and other people, then ... and it turned out the following, one comes out and says "NO" and leads as an argument, general phrases like, "people are tired of eternal promises and lies of the authorities, the impossibility of influencing the future of our country ..." another says vote "YES" and cites exactly the same phrase as an argument.
  • Private89
    Private89 3 July 2020 02: 51
    0
    People always lose in bourgeois elections
  • Finches
    Finches 2 July 2020 06: 41
    20
    I myself voted on Saturday, but yesterday I walked to our polling station and whoever wants to believe, who does not want to - will not believe it, but it was quite crowded! People walked in families and singly, a policeman was on duty in the courtyard ... So, even such a private observation is enough to assess the turnout. Budgetnikov, I agree, the authorities asked to be, but did not specify exactly what to do! And I don't see anything wrong with that - in the end, capitalism and the state must count the money - since it pays the state employees, then it may demand to come to the site on the day that it pays! I voted - "For", wife, the same ... My daughter did not go! So I don't see any particular distortions, even within the same cell of society! laughing
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 2 July 2020 06: 49
      +5
      Quote: Finches
      I voted - "For", wife, the same ... My daughter did not go!


      Yes, on this show, an intelligent person could be distinguished exactly like this: he stayed at home.
      1. Finches
        Finches 2 July 2020 06: 53
        12
        You, apparently, are the smartest person! laughing
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 2 July 2020 07: 15
          21
          It’s nice to consider yourself smarter than most, but it almost always ends the same.
          1. BAI
            BAI 2 July 2020 11: 01
            +8
            The surest way to stay foolish is to consider yourself smarter than others.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 2 July 2020 11: 19
              +4
              Quote: BAI
              The surest way to stay foolish is to consider yourself smarter than others.

              Ha, ha, this is probably the most harmless.
            2. WIKI
              WIKI 2 July 2020 12: 11
              -5
              Quote: BAI
              The surest way to stay foolish is to consider yourself smarter than others.

              Do you have something against GDP?
              1. volodimer
                volodimer 2 July 2020 17: 57
                -1
                How did you relate the statement BAI with respect to GDP? A smart person is always ready to listen to someone else's opinion, and try to understand what it is based on if it does not coincide with his own. Therefore, how can it carry something reasonable in itself, if it is not so, try to explain it if the opponent is worthy of a dispute and is also able to understand the arguments. And if I am guided by the principle, I am one smart and I know how to do it right, and the rest ...
                That's how you stay in the cold.
                1. WIKI
                  WIKI 2 July 2020 22: 09
                  0
                  Do you think that GDP considers itself smarter than others, dumber than others, or equal to itself?
                  1. volodimer
                    volodimer 3 July 2020 03: 17
                    +1
                    Yes, and here just do GDP ??? Victor, it’s not about him at all! It's about how everyone himself positions himself! And you are all GDP and GDP.
                    1. WIKI
                      WIKI 3 July 2020 09: 03
                      0
                      I commented on the statement
                      The surest way to stay foolish is to consider yourself smarter than others.
                      Therefore, I asked the question whether his statement applies not only to Banshee (Novel), or it can be applied to GDP. I believe that VVP considers itself smarter than others, because the system it has built is based only on its authority. This means that he will be awaited in the future "to remain a fool - to consider himself smarter than others."
          2. WIKI
            WIKI 2 July 2020 12: 10
            -4
            Quote: rocket757
            It’s nice to consider yourself smarter than most, but it almost always ends the same.

            Do you have something against GDP?
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 2 July 2020 12: 38
              +7
              We have something against ... for various reasons, reasons. Although there is only one reason, we want to live in OUR COUNTRY, one that we would not be ashamed to leave to our descendants!
              So you sho have something against?
              1. WIKI
                WIKI 2 July 2020 12: 53
                +4
                Quote: rocket757
                we want to live in OUR COUNTRY, one that would not be ashamed to leave to our descendants!

                The whole trouble of the existing system is that those with big money think primarily not about the country, but about how to anchor their children abroad, and leave them more there. And they spit on us from a high bell tower. Our Wishlist are of little interest to them.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 2 July 2020 13: 25
                  +2
                  Quote: WIKI
                  The whole trouble of the existing system

                  Such systems in almost all countries, with their own twists, options. Capitalism is called, the power of the rich.
                  What else do you have to add? What do you have to offer?
                  1. WIKI
                    WIKI 2 July 2020 14: 02
                    +4
                    Quote: rocket757
                    What else do you have to add? What do you have to offer?

                    Do you want songs, ...? "10% of Russians control 83% of the national wealth, and 1% of the super-rich control almost 60% of all material and financial assets. This is not the case in any major economy in the world: Russia is the absolute champion. In the USA, where most of all dollar billionaires, 1% of the super-rich own only 35% of national wealth, in China and Germany this figure is 30%, in France and Italy - in the region of 20%. Even in Brazil, which until recently was considered the world leader in inequality, The 1% of the super-rich are just over 50% of tangible and financial assets. " Painfully huge "twist".
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 2 July 2020 14: 21
                      0
                      You "sing" songs about what is known to EVERYONE who was interested in this, and to the rest, the majority, because it is NOT HIDDEN!
                      What can you offer of what we have not talked about and have not proposed.
                      Ideas, suggestions, specific ACTIONS ???
              2. Thunderbringer
                Thunderbringer 2 July 2020 13: 20
                -2
                No, of course, live.
                We also live in real Russia, we are changing the constitution.
                And what is happening in your online country you tell us.
                As I understand it, everything is bad with you.
                Sympathize.
        2. I think logically ... occasionally
          -2
          In fact, a Banshee person is really quite intelligent. He published many competent articles on VO. Roman Skomorokhov his name is. Have you heard?
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 2 July 2020 07: 38
            12
            Well then, of course, a giant of thoughts, everyone knows lol
            1. bar
              bar 2 July 2020 07: 51
              +7
              How not to know the leader of the local all-mutter. All his depressive articles are guessed with the first letter laughing
              1. Pytnik
                Pytnik 2 July 2020 08: 33
                -4
                His articles are like the "many-sided" Meehan comments laughing , but Meehan is his own in the board, and "this" request
                1. snake
                  snake 2 July 2020 11: 22
                  -5
                  Quote: Pytnik
                  but Meehan is on the board, and "this"

                  Brothers in Reason ...
                  1. Thunderbringer
                    Thunderbringer 2 July 2020 13: 22
                    -7
                    They are precisely distinguished by their many faces.
                    How else? There is one country outside the window, they are talking about a completely different country, recalling the third one, which generally existed only in the newspaper Pravda.
                    1. snake
                      snake 2 July 2020 14: 32
                      -1
                      Either I put it that way, or they misunderstood me. The brothers in mind are Mikhan with Pytnik. Well, you, Andrey, are also a good candidate for this company.
              2. Stas157
                Stas157 2 July 2020 08: 38
                +2
                Quote: bar
                How not to know the leader of the local all-crawler.

                Whom? Why are you sticking labels on people? Your scandalousness looks worse than a negative outlook on some things. Despite the fact that there are more than enough reasons for negativity, and positive has not been observed for a long time. To believe that Putin led the people to a chic life for his long reign is to greatly overestimate the situation.

                Quote: bar
                All his depressive articles are guessed with the first letter

                You again misjudge. There is not depression, but indignation. Rejection of lawlessness in society. All articles on the topic of the day and very relevant. A healthy response to unhealthy things. And as a result, all Banshee articles are the most rated and discussed on the VO website. If you do not like it, do not force yourself - pass by.
                1. bar
                  bar 2 July 2020 09: 09
                  +7
                  Whom? Why are you sticking labels on people?

                  This is not a label, but my current opinion, to which I have every right.

                  Your scandalousness looks worse than a negative outlook on some things.

                  Well, what can I do, here I am. request

                  Despite the fact that there are more than enough reasons for negativity, and positive has not been observed for a long time. To believe that Putin led the people to a smart life for his long reign is to greatly overestimate the situation.


                  It is impossible to get a pessimist in a half empty glass to see half full. This is a depressive warehouse of his character, as well as my scandalous. And to force an objective look at things is also impossible. Although during the reign of the terrible dictator, life really changed a lot for the better. But the pessimist will still find black spots and fixate on them.

                  You are evaluating incorrectly. There is not depression, but indignation. Rejection of lawlessness in society. All articles on the topic of the day and very relevant. A healthy response to unhealthy things.

                  As the glossing showed even on this site, I am far from alone in my assessments. And it pleases. And your causeless and unconstructive malice seems healthy only to you.
                  “Rejecting offer, offering act,” not whine while sitting on the couch.

                  And as a result, all Banshee articles are the most rated and discussed on the VO website.

                  Naturally, Roman gathered on the site a close-knit group of like-minded all-wearers, and they cry together in his vest, turning a good cognitive resource into a snotty mess.

                  If you do not like it, do not force yourself - pass by.

                  I can advise the same to you. It is a pity that it is impossible to install a filter on odious authors. It’s good that Skomorokhov’s articles can be accurately guessed even by the title and you can skip them right away, you don’t even have to rewind them to find out the authorship.
                  1. Incvizitor
                    Incvizitor 2 July 2020 11: 11
                    +2
                    I also never read these nagging articles; it makes no sense to read them and there is no sense in them
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 21: 32
                      +1
                      Quote: Incvizitor
                      I also never read these nagging articles; it makes no sense to read them and there is no sense in them

                      And then what do you write under the articles if you do not read them?
                  2. Terenin
                    Terenin 2 July 2020 11: 34
                    +8
                    Quote: bar
                    Whom? Why are you sticking labels on people?

                    This is not a label, but my current opinion, to which I have every right.

                    Your scandalousness looks worse than a negative outlook on some things.

                    Well, what can I do, here I am. request

                    Despite the fact that there are more than enough reasons for negativity, and positive has not been observed for a long time. To believe that Putin led the people to a smart life for his long reign is to greatly overestimate the situation.


                    It is impossible to get a pessimist in a half empty glass to see half full. This is a depressive warehouse of his character, as well as my scandalous. And to force an objective look at things is also impossible. Although during the reign of the terrible dictator, life really changed a lot for the better. But the pessimist will still find black spots and fixate on them.

                    You are evaluating incorrectly. There is not depression, but indignation. Rejection of lawlessness in society. All articles on the topic of the day and very relevant. A healthy response to unhealthy things.

                    As the glossing showed even on this site, I am far from alone in my assessments. And it pleases. And your causeless and unconstructive malice seems healthy only to you.
                    “Rejecting offer, offering act,” not whine while sitting on the couch.

                    And as a result, all Banshee articles are the most rated and discussed on the VO website.

                    Naturally, Roman gathered on the site a close-knit group of like-minded all-wearers, and they cry together in his vest, turning a good cognitive resource into a snotty mess.

                    If you do not like it, do not force yourself - pass by.

                    I can advise the same to you. It is a pity that it is impossible to install a filter on odious authors. It’s good that Skomorokhov’s articles can be accurately guessed even by the title and you can skip them right away, you don’t even have to rewind them to find out the authorship.

                    Well, the Bar and patience you have for a detailed (detailed, detailed, accurate ...) answer. I envy request hi
                    1. bar
                      bar 2 July 2020 11: 44
                      +7
                      So what to do? I see only three options - either pass by, or start a dog dump, or try to argue with arguments with arguments laughing
                      With all my might I try to stick to the third option and not slide into the second. Unfortunately, it does not always work out ...
              3. Interlocutor
                Interlocutor 2 July 2020 15: 27
                +3
                How not to know the leader of the local all-mutter. All his depressing articles are guessed with the first letter laughing.


                Feel ..... less has become a minus. laughing They left this page. They’re not interested in them anymore.
                1. bar
                  bar 2 July 2020 15: 53
                  0
                  Yes, a small victory of common sense over pessimism. good
                  So not everything is lost for this site.
            2. I think logically ... occasionally
              -6
              The most gracious and, in addition, the dearest Herman 4223, do not distort so. It was not about the giant of thought, but about a stupid man named Roman Skomorokhov. Are you making the difference? Well, that's good.
              1. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 2 July 2020 10: 04
                +1
                Nobody has ever called me the sweetest on the site. Wife show let jealous.
                1. BAI
                  BAI 2 July 2020 11: 02
                  +1
                  Okay, let it be "nasty".
                  1. Herman 4223
                    Herman 4223 2 July 2020 12: 28
                    +2
                    What am I to you "disgusting" respected from the "site manager" BAI?
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 2 July 2020 10: 30
            +5
            Quote: I think logically ... sporadically
            Have you heard?

            Heard, seen. AND? laughing laughing laughing
          3. ZAV69
            ZAV69 2 July 2020 11: 21
            +3
            Has he got rid of hysteria in any way? Two days were gone.
          4. The comment was deleted.
          5. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 2 July 2020 12: 55
            +3
            Quote: I think logically ... sporadically
            In fact, a Banshee person is really quite intelligent. He published many competent articles on VO. Roman Skomorokhov his name is. Have you heard?

            Normal article, writes correctly, I am always FOR.
      2. Thrifty
        Thrifty 2 July 2020 07: 16
        13 th
        I have friends of the whole family wrote in the newsletter - no self-reset, no change in the constitution, yes! hi
        1. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 2 July 2020 17: 05
          +2
          I have friends of the whole family wrote in the newsletter - no self-reset, no change in the constitution, yes!

          And what just did not cross out the ballot? Why so many manipulations?
      3. Rzzz
        Rzzz 2 July 2020 07: 23
        -5
        Quote: Banshee
        could be distinguished just like that: stayed at home.

        Considering also that interesting moment, that besides the voting itself, it is also a census of politically active population. The authorities have access to real results, statistics will remain, and in those areas where electronic ballot boxes with scanners there is also named information who voted for what. Also, this information is on those who voted electronically.
        That is, there is virtually no secret ballot, but for what this information is collected, where and how much it will be stored, for what purposes and by whom it will be used - it is not yet clear, but it is already alarming.
        1. The popuas
          The popuas 2 July 2020 07: 51
          16
          There is no surname on the ballot, there is only YES or NO ... But the data of all Russians is without elections ...
          1. Rzzz
            Rzzz 2 July 2020 08: 56
            -5
            If there is an electronic ballot box with a scanner, and a video camera that removes this ballot box (for security, of course !!), then on the scan of the bluetooth miraculously appears your portrait, passed through a face recognition system, and verified by a photo on a passport or other document.
            If not, then it is less accurate, but all the same, it is possible to compile group statistics that out of all those who voted such and such a percentage is “for”, such and such a “against”. It's rude, but at least something. This statistics can be clarified by using several ballot boxes and counting the votes in them separately, recording people approaching the ballot boxes by video. And also by dividing the vote into several days (I just don't know, in our case the ballot boxes were standing all seven days, or were the results taken every evening?)
            Well, in general there are reasons to think. Something seems to me that the native state, the less you know about it, the better. X3, where this data will then go to, and for what purposes will be used.
            1. BAI
              BAI 2 July 2020 11: 04
              +2
              And it’s best to put a thought scanner.
            2. bk316
              bk316 2 July 2020 12: 25
              +1
              Something seems to me that the native state, the less you know about it, the better.

              And why the hell are you writing such comments then? Self-mortgage.
              Illogical? Or because of the hillock advise?
              1. Rzzz
                Rzzz 2 July 2020 19: 56
                -1
                Quote: bk316
                Self mortgage
                But nifiga. I am not calling for anything. Vote for something, do not vote for something. Everyone decides for himself, someone with brains, someone with an ass, depending on his abilities.
                I just threw a thought that I think is worth considering. True, there are wildly stubborn personalities who for this only minuses are encircled. Well, I don’t really care about rating numbers and stars, although it’s funny.
                And by the way, not from behind the hill, but almost from the center of the capital.
          2. bar
            bar 2 July 2020 09: 16
            11
            There is no surname on the bulletin, there is only YES or NO ...

            Fingerprints will be taken from ballots or identified by DNA. Gloved, it was necessary to vote. But now it's too late .... laughing
            1. ZAV69
              ZAV69 2 July 2020 11: 54
              0
              Quote: bar
              Gloved, it was necessary to vote. But now it's too late ....

              It is immediately clear that the person did not go. Gloves immediately at the entrance to the weekend issued with masks and pens
              1. bar
                bar 2 July 2020 11: 56
                0
                Really did not go. It was lucky that on the eve of our entrance the representatives of our election commission walked with an urn. I voted with pleasure without leaving my home :)
        2. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 2 July 2020 17: 06
          0
          The authorities have access to the real results, statistics will remain, and in those areas where the electronic ballot boxes with scanners there is also named information who voted for what. Also, this information is on those who voted electronically.

          Not a fig you have an intrigue in your head ... Urgent detectives to write ....
          1. Rzzz
            Rzzz 2 July 2020 19: 29
            -1
            Quote: Interlocutor
            Do not you have a fig

            Well, age makes me worry about the future, and good education, high intelligence, excellent acquaintance with modern technologies and the fact that I have read quite a few dystopias. And I see quite well what the modern Russian government is like, and the modern near-political "ilita" that gives commands to this government.
            Now only military and law enforcement pensioners can live in peace. The pension is high, the children are attached, and there is not much left to live.
            The rest all discuss the topic in the spirit of "oh, I don't know what will happen."
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 21: 38
              0
              Quote: rzzz
              Now only military and law enforcement pensioners can live in peace. The pension is high,

              Just yesterday I was lying with Afghan veterans, and one of them is a retired policeman. All their arguments boiled down to: "You don't understand anything."
      4. mdsr
        mdsr 2 July 2020 07: 41
        11 th
        Quote: Banshee
        Quote: Finches
        I voted - "For", wife, the same ... My daughter did not go!


        Yes, on this show, an intelligent person could be distinguished exactly like this: he stayed at home.

        I agree, but even of those who took part in the vote, there was a considerable part of those who drew the male genital organ on ballots as a sign of indignation at the circus being held.
        Personally, I did not go to the polls.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 2 July 2020 10: 32
          -1
          Quote: mdsr
          there was a considerable part of those that were drawn in the ballots

          Yes, there are enough marginals. yes
        2. BAI
          BAI 2 July 2020 11: 07
          +4
          0,4% of ballots were spoiled. It is not enough, for the approval of "a considerable part".
        3. Terenin
          Terenin 2 July 2020 11: 38
          0
          Quote: mdsr
          Personally, I did not go to the polls.
          but if so, how do you know that
          Quote: mdsr
          even of those who took part in the vote, there was a considerable part of those who drew the male genital organ in the ballot papers in indignation
          well angry ??
          Look into the eyes! bully
          1. A good one
            A good one 2 July 2020 11: 47
            -3
            Quote: Terenin
            Quote: mdsr
            Personally, I did not go to the polls.
            but if so, how do you know that
            Quote: mdsr
            even of those who took part in the vote, there was a considerable part of those who drew the male genital organ in the ballot papers in indignation
            well angry ??
            Look into the eyes! bully

            Come on, hollow from the driveway shop, his grannies took on 8 Mara to their OBS, and that’s where the little guy who is over 18 is practicing. smile
        4. bar
          bar 2 July 2020 11: 58
          0
          even of those who took part in the voting, there was a considerable part of those who drew the male genital organ in the ballot papers as a sign of indignation at the circus held.
          Personally, I did not go to the polls.

          In vain, they could also satisfy their erotic fantasies
      5. Freeman
        Freeman 2 July 2020 07: 59
        +5
        Quote: Banshee
        Quote: Finches
        I voted - "For", wife, the same ... My daughter did not go!


        Yes, on this show, an intelligent person could be distinguished exactly like this: he stayed at home.

        yes Yeah. Vasisualiy Lokhankin - as a mirror of protest.
        If those 35% of voters who stayed at home came and voted "against" - then the alignment would be different.
        60/40 is not 80/20, it makes you think.
        And so - a complete "carte blanche".
        1. halpat
          halpat 2 July 2020 09: 52
          -2
          Quote: Freeman
          Quote: Banshee
          Quote: Finches
          I voted - "For", wife, the same ... My daughter did not go!


          Yes, on this show, an intelligent person could be distinguished exactly like this: he stayed at home.

          yes Yeah. Vasisualiy Lokhankin - as a mirror of protest.
          If those 35% of voters who stayed at home came and voted "against" - then the alignment would be different.
          60/40 is not 80/20, it makes you think.
          And so - a complete "carte blanche".

          I read posts, I was surprised: Where is this unkillable and, in the opinion of the Oppa, generally sacred argument - "if ... yes if only"?
          And found :))
          Now I am calm. The brains of the non-system did not increase by a single gram.
          I know a lot of people who voted “Yes”, I know those who voted “No”
          The ratio is 8 to 2. So it coincides (surprisingly) with what I saw on the box.

          Who does not agree, please feel free to Nenets Autonomous Okrug, everyone will find work. Good physical work in the fresh air.
        2. Alexander X
          Alexander X 2 July 2020 10: 05
          +5
          If those 35% of voters that stayed at home and came and voted "against" - then the alignment would be different.
          My wife didn’t go to vote because she was on a farmhouse in the forest, but she said that she was for amendments. So do not extend your conclusions to all who did not come. I-for, daughter-for .... So the whole family FOR amendments.
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 2 July 2020 10: 32
            +1
            Quote: Alexander X

            My wife didn’t go to vote because she was on a farmhouse in the forest, but she said that she was for amendments. So do not extend your conclusions to all who did not come.

            hi Note. In my commentary, I did not write down all those who did not come to the vote in the "against" column. Therefore, I indicated the proportion "Yes / No" as 60/40 - and not 45/55.
      6. And
        And 2 July 2020 08: 10
        -8
        Why are you so categorical, in our district people went and voted - the majority "against". And if those who were sitting at home went to vote, then you look at the results and in other regions would have been different.
        1. Roman123567
          Roman123567 2 July 2020 09: 05
          10 th
          The fact of the matter is that the majority voted against it already .. Even those who were driven out (yesterday I was surprised to find that not only state employees, but also workers from the market were taken by pen by absentee ballots ... although they did not vote)

          Believe in 74% FOR .. Well, damn it .. We live in the same world .. there are friends, acquaintances, relatives .. the same classmates with a watsap, where people (real people you know) as soon as they don’t spit in our nullified ..
          Yes, of course, there are those who for some reason wanted these changes .. even if I myself didn’t understand what was happening .. and I met such people among my friends .. But this is more likely as an exception .. So these figures have nothing to do with reality !!
          Yes, and if it were different .. unless we then would someone ask ??)
          1. And
            And 2 July 2020 09: 32
            -6
            Frankly speaking, I doubt that the majority of those who voted voted "against", but that 77% voted "for" - the same is hard to believe.
          2. Woodman
            Woodman 2 July 2020 09: 35
            +5
            Quote: Roman123567
            but also workers from the market for a pen by absentee

            And before that they were taken by the hand to receive absentee ballots?
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 2 July 2020 10: 36
              0
              Quote: Lesovik
              And before that they were taken by the hand to receive absentee ballots?


              Can you read? State employees were forced to break away
              1. Woodman
                Woodman 2 July 2020 10: 44
                +1
                Quote: Silvestr
                Can you read? State employees were forced to break away

                Quote: Roman123567
                but also workers from the market were taken by absentee ball pen.

                I can read, and you? Since when have market workers become state employees?
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 2 July 2020 10: 49
                  -1
                  the rules for all are one in this matter. Man is addicted!
                  1. Woodman
                    Woodman 2 July 2020 10: 53
                    0
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    the rules for all are one in this matter. Man is addicted!

                    What are you doing now? By your logic, the whole country voted forcibly absentee ballots? Or is it not logic?
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 2 July 2020 10: 56
                      +1
                      Quote: Lesovik
                      By your logic, the whole country voted forcibly absentee ballots? Or is it not logic?

                      the logic is that state employees and employees were driven to polling stations. I gave you a personal example.
                    2. Woodman
                      Woodman 2 July 2020 11: 03
                      0
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      the logic is that state employees and employees were driven to polling stations. I gave you a personal example.

                      And the question was about market employees. And they do not relate to the servants in any way.
                      And by the way, I know quite a few service people - no one demanded absenteeism from them. By appearance - there were wishes, but there was no control over this appearance. And about absenteeism was not.
                      But the question - I repeat - was about market workers, and you are talking about hospitals ...
                    3. Roman123567
                      Roman123567 2 July 2020 11: 28
                      +1
                      And the question was about market employees. And they do not relate to the servants in any way.


                      Hallelujah ..)) Surprisingly, yes ??
                      That’s why I wrote
                      Even those who were driven (yesterday I was surprised to find out,what not only budgetnicknames but also workers from the market drove by the absentee handle .. although they voted against)
                    4. Woodman
                      Woodman 2 July 2020 11: 33
                      0
                      Quote: Roman123567
                      Amazing yes ??

                      Quote: Roman123567
                      but also workers from the market for the handle on absentee drove ..

                      That is so halelujah. On the absentee note it is not enough to "reduce". Still it is necessary to "reduce" the absentee ballots. Suddenly, huh?
                    5. New Year day
                      New Year day 2 July 2020 12: 28
                      -3
                      Quote: Roman123567
                      Hallelujah ..)) Surprisingly, yes ??
                      That’s why I wrote
                      Even those who were driven away (I was surprised to find out yesterday that not only state employees, but also workers from the market were taken by pen by absentee ... although they voted against it)

                      perversion is their norm
                      Quote: Lesovik
                      But the question - I repeat - was about market workers, and you are talking about hospitals ...
                  2. New Year day
                    New Year day 2 July 2020 11: 38
                    +1
                    Quote: Lesovik
                    And the question was about market employees.

                    you know. how does a person get a place in the market? Ask people and how they cherish this place
                  3. Woodman
                    Woodman 2 July 2020 11: 46
                    0
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    you know. how does a person get a place in the market?

                    I know very well. But you are unlikely.
                  4. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 17: 11
                    -1
                    A person in the market receives a place exclusively for money, with cash. Something I doubt that the owner of the market will ensure the turnout.
        2. Roman123567
          Roman123567 2 July 2020 11: 26
          0
          I can read, and you? Since when have market workers become state employees?
          Apparently know how ... but bad ..


          Even those who were driven away (yesterday I was surprised to learn that it was not only state employees, but also market workers
      7. Terenin
        Terenin 2 July 2020 11: 52
        +1
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Lesovik
        And before that they were taken by the hand to receive absentee ballots?


        Can you read? State employees were forced to break away

        Sylvester, how much you can scan the inscriptions from the fences. Or without fences is bad. There is nowhere to read smart thoughts ...?
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 2 July 2020 11: 54
          +6
          Quote: Terenin
          Sylvester, how much you can scan the inscriptions from the fences.

          it is my phone. Stop procrastinating and seem smarter
          Quote: Terenin
          There is nowhere to read smart thoughts ...?

          do you have stress with this?
          1. A good one
            A good one 2 July 2020 12: 01
            -3
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: Terenin
            Sylvester, how much you can scan the inscriptions from the fences.

            it is my phone. Stop procrastinating and seem smarter
            Quote: Terenin
            There is nowhere to read smart thoughts ...?

            do you have stress with this?

            Sylvester, the courage of the city takes. I don’t see bruises and abrasions on you, but you wear Colonel General, previously he was more courteous. What? Armchair shakes one place, my joy. wink
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 2 July 2020 12: 03
              +1
              Quote: Not bad
              Sylvester, the courage of the city takes. I don’t see bruises and abrasions on you, but you wear Colonel General, was earlier more courteous, what? armchair presses one place, my joy.

              why this opus? With regards to the shoulder straps, they are already re-received in a difference of 2 years. Want to try laughing love
          2. Terenin
            Terenin 2 July 2020 12: 20
            +1
            Quote: Silvestr
            it is my phone

            then this is mine


            Quote: Silvestr
            Stop procrastinating and seem smarter

            Well, here, another thing. Now it’s clear that in your own words winked
          3. Woodman
            Woodman 2 July 2020 12: 58
            +1
            Quote: Silvestr
            it is my phone. Stop procrastinating and seem smarter

            Sylvester, if not a secret, how did you vote in the conditions of "coercion", "total control" and your complete rejection of the amendments? Which won: adherence to principles or "control"? And what are the consequences of YOUR choice for you? Honestly - just interesting.
            If anything - I voted "FOR".
      8. DVR
        DVR 2 July 2020 12: 31
        +1
        Can you read? State employees were forced to break away

        What is this bullshit? laughing
        How many such pictures do you need? I will provide any content, according to your desire.
      9. halpat
        halpat 2 July 2020 12: 39
        -4
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Lesovik
        And before that they were taken by the hand to receive absentee ballots?


        Can you read? State employees were forced to break away

        fakes post this is great!
        I wrote to you, you tell me ... what you need to create the right direction, you can still exchange with friends.
        then trim the top and bottom and post wherever we can. The proof is done! And it will not work to challenge :)
        You can trump ... in various garbage dumps.
    2. Roman123567
      Roman123567 2 July 2020 11: 09
      -5
      And before that they were taken by the hand to receive absentee ballots?


      Yes, right .. Or did you doubt it before ??

      1. Woodman
        Woodman 2 July 2020 11: 15
        +5
        Quote: Roman123567
        Yes, right ..

        Funny ... Is this yesterday's correspondence? It’s just that by law, absenteeism could be obtained until June 21st,
        Schedule for absentee statements:

        through State services - from June 5 to 14:00 on June 21;
        through the MFC "My Documents" - from June 5 to 14:00 on June 21;
        through the territorial commission - from June 5 to 14:00 on June 21;
        through the precinct commission - from June 16 to 14:00 on June 21.


        but previously you did not give this argument ... Although, maybe I missed this moment.
        1. Roman123567
          Roman123567 2 July 2020 11: 32
          -4
          Yes, yesterday ..
          I have no idea when they took absentee ballots ..
          Something somewhere does not converge ??
      2. Woodman
        Woodman 2 July 2020 11: 28
        +4
        Quote: Roman123567
        Yes, right .. Or did you doubt it before ??

        why did you delete the correspondence and correct the comment? really "puncture"?
        1. Roman123567
          Roman123567 2 July 2020 11: 35
          -4
          Didn’t delete anything ..
          What is the puncture ??


          PS .. you can look for some punctures for a long time, but they won’t be anyway .. simply because the correspondence is real, the person is real, and his real thoughts are painted ..

          zzy Although, of course, you can think of it .. that my friend just wrote it to me for the sake of lies .. that she really is for Putin .. but like this, she’s lying lies to everyone .. to create a background, etc ..
          1. Woodman
            Woodman 2 July 2020 11: 45
            +3
            Quote: Roman123567
            simply because the correspondence is real, the person is real, and his real thoughts are painted ..

            Did I doubt the reality of correspondence? I doubted the fact that the described situation was a reality, otherwise this fact should have surfaced two weeks ago. For after the absentee did not give out.
            1. Roman123567
              Roman123567 2 July 2020 11: 48
              -3
              doubted the fact that the described situation was a reality
              I repeat - I see no reason why a person will come up with this for me ..

              otherwise this fact should have surfaced two weeks ago.
              The fact of what ?? Two weeks ago I didn’t talk about this with this person .. and she is not obliged to tell me about every step of her life .. this is not a wife, but a friend ..
            2. Woodman
              Woodman 2 July 2020 11: 53
              +4
              Quote: Roman123567
              The fact of what ?? Two weeks ago, I didn’t communicate with this person ..

              Relax, you. You were "surprised" to learn about the market workers, I was "surprised" to learn that you "take their word for gentlemen" hi
            3. Roman123567
              Roman123567 2 July 2020 11: 59
              0
              Not to gentlemen, but to a girl ... all the more so when neither to me nor to her there is no reason to lie ..
              I also found out with surprise that it’s surprising for you - when people you know communicate with each other and discuss something .. just .. without lies ..

              zzy Although, of course, you can think of it .. that my friend just wrote it to me for the sake of lies .. that she really is for Putin .. but like this, she’s lying lies to everyone .. to create a background, etc ..
    3. Roman123567
      Roman123567 2 July 2020 11: 40
      -1
      And really, deleted ..
      What do you think - who ??)))
      I'll post it again ..

      1. Woodman
        Woodman 2 July 2020 11: 42
        +3
        Quote: Roman123567
        And really, deleted ..
        What do you think - who ??)))

        Now I believe that you are not)))
      2. The comment was deleted.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 2 July 2020 12: 35
          -1
          Quote: Terenin
          It looks like you, with Sylvester, are trading in the same market

          and you are so blinkered. that apart from the primer do not read anything and do not know laughing
        2. Terenin
          Terenin 2 July 2020 15: 55
          +1
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: Terenin
          It looks like you, with Sylvester, are trading in the same market

          and you are so blinkered. that apart from the primer do not read anything and do not know laughing

          Something with a complaint dragged more than eight minutes? Not otherwise tired of voting ... in the market
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 2 July 2020 08: 35
    +2
    Quote: Banshee
    Yes, on this show, an intelligent person could be distinguished exactly like this: he stayed at home.

    Clever, of course! Everyone who did not come to the vote made a small contribution to the percentage of FOR. In what elections do you intend to take part, only in those where you are "on horseback"?
    The result was predetermined not when counting (I THINK that there is no point in "pushing"), but when organizing voting. There was no one to lead the protest, I don't take provocateurs into account. Therefore, calls to vote FOR even the Central Election Commission became possible, even at polling stations (newspapers and leaflets FOR at the entrance will not be seen). What we are, what kind of civil society is voting. There will be no other.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 July 2020 13: 06
      +2
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      What are we, what kind of civil society is such a vote. There will be no other.

      I, too, except for swearing, and practicing each other on the site, did not see anything concrete.
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 2 July 2020 09: 06
    -6
    Quote: Banshee
    Yes, on this show, an intelligent person could be distinguished exactly like this: he stayed at home.

    Good day! hi Now the Sabbath of the nuclear electorate will begin, whose ass is warm and pension at our expense.
    I remember 2018, when after the elections prices went up, and then a penny. reform and many of those were "for" trying to gnaw their own elbows. Unfortunately, the inhabitants have a short memory.
    Threat. I did not go to the vote. I do not recognize the results! hi
  • fyvaprold
    fyvaprold 2 July 2020 11: 50
    +2
    Quote: Banshee
    Quote: Finches
    I voted - "For", wife, the same ... My daughter did not go!


    Yes on this show smart person could be distinguished exactly like this: stayed at home.

    That is, in your opinion, a "smart person" is one who voluntarily renounced his fundamental civil right - the Right of Choice? Interesting logic, if I didn’t know what you are under (or even for) fifty dollars, I would have thought that the author of such a profound comment is a repetition of the boarding school for children with developmental delay. Why are you Roman, since you are such a big opponent of the amendments, did not cooperate with other "thrown and oppressed", fortunately, marinate you for the winter, and did not vote for these amendments? You yourself renounced your right, maybe you don't particularly need other rights?
    PS: Your "smart people" in real life look something like this:
  • bk316
    bk316 2 July 2020 12: 20
    -1
    Yes, on this show, an intelligent person could be distinguished exactly like this: he stayed at home.

    And I personally stayed at home. Voted FOR on the Internet. laughing
    I'm smart ?
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 2 July 2020 13: 00
      +4
      Quote: bk316
      Yes, on this show, an intelligent person could be distinguished exactly like this: he stayed at home.

      And I personally stayed at home. Voted FOR on the Internet. laughing
      I'm smart ?

      Well, how can I tell you ... lol here my cat also happens to clatter on the keyboard, so .. repeat laughing
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 17: 13
      -3
      Smart. But a bit lazy.
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 2 July 2020 13: 21
    +2
    Roman, I can’t help but quote as they say one of the smartest and most witty of those who lived - Duke François de La Rochefoucauld: "There are no more stupid people than those who consider themselves smarter than everyone else." Good day to you and new creative successes!
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 2 July 2020 20: 09
    -1
    Quote: Banshee
    Yes, on this show, an intelligent person could be distinguished exactly like this: he stayed at home.
    You, apparently, are the smartest person!

    You still do not forget that young people want to live well. They don’t need these words of yours. Who can dump abroad, the same applies to scientists. Then just don’t be surprised that ... about Russia
  • blackice
    blackice 2 July 2020 07: 12
    10 th
    And most importantly - no violations!
    Passport? What for!!!! Just sign and go behind the screen, 146% "FOR" are still counted, no matter how you vote.
    Did someone vote for you?
    Oh, this is a mistake !!! And for the wife too?
    Fu you, well you !!! Which we are not attentive !!!.
    And only you: everything is decorous and noble!
    I congratulate you on your "victory" over common sense.
    1. Finches
      Finches 2 July 2020 07: 21
      11
      I don’t know how it is with you, but I checked my passport and compared it with registration and even allowed to take the disposable pen! laughing Who wants - voted "For", who does not want - "Against", and the smartest stayed at home! So it turns out that all three categories, one way or another, won common sense according to your theory! laughing
      1. DVR
        DVR 2 July 2020 07: 29
        +7
        I don’t know how it is with you, but I checked my passport and compared it with registration and even allowed to take the disposable pen!

        Likewise, the passport was checked, the mask and gloves were given, the pen given out was not asked to be returned. There were many people, everything was well organized. Voted FOR the amendments.
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 2 July 2020 08: 34
          -3
          Journalists asked the head of the Public Chamber to comment on the situation with PEC No. 2844 in Ussuriysk. After closing, during the vote count, two independent observers were removed from the polling station, one of whom is the wife of the deputy of the Duma of Ussuriysk, a member of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Sergey Soldatov. The footage from the scene shows how the police remove the observer, referring to the decision of the working group.

          “The Public Chamber has the right to recall observers in case of violation of the rules of observation or the code of ethics,” said Stupnitsky. - On this site, the commission expressed dissatisfaction with the work of specific observers, not all: I note that the site was not left without observation. A working group was created and considered the issue of recalling observers. He was submitted to the council of the Public Chamber, and the council approved the decision. "

          Two observers who were removed from the polling station are independent citizens (parties and public organizations can also send their observers). Stupnitsky said that they interfered in the work of the commission, in the resolution of collective issues and the consideration of complaints, as well as conducted campaigning work - observers have no right to do this. When asked whether these observers campaigned for or against the amendment, Stupnitsky did not answer.

          As a result, at polling station No. 2844, according to the regional election commission, out of 1081 registered voters, 918 people came (84,92% turnout). The amendment was supported by 91,07% of voters. This is above the average for Ussuriysk - 86,13% supported the correction in the city, with a turnout of 80,92%. In general, 78,86% voted for the region with a turnout of 62,64%.

          Статья полностью: https://www.newsvl.ru/vlad/2020/07/02/191254/#ixzz6R0qX97Hs
          Vladivostok News on VL.RU
          And there are no violations.
          1. DVR
            DVR 2 July 2020 08: 47
            +4
            As a result, at polling station No. 2844, according to the regional election commission, out of 1081 registered voters, 918 people came (84,92% turnout). The amendment was supported by 91,07% of voters. This is above the average for Ussuriysk - 86,13% supported the correction in the city, with a turnout of 80,92%.

            Can you confirm the accuracy of this data? Now there are thousands of fakes on the voting process.
            And there are no violations.

            We did not see any violations; everything was well organized.
            If this information is reliable, then this is the work of the investigation and the prosecutor's office.
            1. Vladivostok1969
              Vladivostok1969 2 July 2020 08: 53
              +2
              This information is available in a free portal on the city of Vladivostok. Moreover, as in the VO, a blitz is conducted among readers to vote on amendments.

              Vote
              How did you vote on the constitutional amendment?
              Supported by
              10.6%
              626
              Voted against
              57.5%
              3385
              Spoiled / took the bulletin with you
              0.3%
              17
              Did not go to vote
              31.6%
              1861

              Total voted 5889 people

              Статья полностью: https://www.newsvl.ru/vlad/2020/07/02/191251/#ixzz6R0vnu8dX
              Vladivostok News on VL.RU
              1. DVR
                DVR 2 July 2020 09: 11
                +3
                This information is available in a free portal on the city of Vladivostok. Moreover, as in the VO, a blitz is conducted among readers to vote on amendments.

                Are you sure of the reliability of this source? Is he respectable for you?
                And here is a video on voting from the representative of Platoshkin, in which they call to vote against the amendments:

                How do you like it?
                On dozens of other resources, including large, it is written about the refutation of these fakes.
                1. Vladivostok1969
                  Vladivostok1969 2 July 2020 09: 26
                  +1
                  I don’t understand what confuses you in this video? Ussuriysk is an interesting city. In the gubernatorial elections in 2018, the entire Ussuriysk flotilla even voted for the current governor. Ussuriysk is located about 100 km from the sea. Yes. In Ussuriysk there is the Rakovka river. But only flotillas were not observed on it. It is not navigable.
                  1. DVR
                    DVR 2 July 2020 09: 39
                    +5
                    I don’t understand what confuses you in this video?

                    Didn’t you be embarrassed that this was a video from previous elections? Not this year. And give him away for voting on the Constitution with the appropriate campaigning? How easy it is to fool you.
                  2. Vladivostok1969
                    Vladivostok1969 2 July 2020 09: 52
                    +1
                    The date is not indicated in this video. And you can determine the voting time probably by the absence of masks in people. Although the GDP also voted without a mask. Just the question is again for you. The composition of PEC 2844 has not changed since the last election, despite the revealed violations. I ask? The task is completed! And to the performers there are NO questions!
                  3. DVR
                    DVR 2 July 2020 10: 05
                    +1
                    The composition of PEC 2844 has not changed since the last election, despite the violations identified.

                    And what about the video at PEC 2844? In the same place, in large print "2840" it is written, which again I cannot confirm, this is for the authors.
                    I was not interested in the composition of PEC 2840, I am from Krasnodar, I can’t track all the PECs of the Russian Federation. You raised the topic of fraud in Ussuriysk, but you could not prove anything. I can bring you ten to one of your links about violations with a refutation.
      2. blackice
        blackice 6 July 2020 02: 36
        0
        It is useless to spread something to the supporters of the nullified. All fakes.
    2. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 2 July 2020 09: 31
      +4
      Similarly, the passport was checked, the temperature was measured, even my hands were treated with an antiseptic, gloves, a mask, and a pen were given out. Voted FOR the amendments.
  • ghby
    ghby 2 July 2020 07: 31
    +6
    Quote: Finches
    I don’t know about you, but they checked my passport and compared it with registration, and even allowed to take a disposable pen! Who wants - voted "For", who does not want - "Against", and the smartest stayed at home! So it turns out that all three categories, one way or another, won common sense according to your theory!

    Absolutely the same picture was on my site. there you could get a mask, my hands were treated, the temperature was measured. I didn’t get used to my pen smile From a survey of acquaintances, those who voted, everyone voted FOR.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 09: 08
    -5
    Quote: Finches
    I don’t know how it is with you, but I checked my passport and compared it with registration and even allowed to take the disposable pen!

    And measured the temperature with pressure? Have you put on a muzzle?
    1. Finches
      Finches 2 July 2020 13: 04
      0
      No pressure, temperature - yes! I had my own muzzle laughing
  • bar
    bar 2 July 2020 09: 18
    +6
    I don’t know how it is with you, but I checked my passport and compared it with registration and even allowed to take the disposable pen!

    But Vadim simply did not go to vote, wisely sat on the couch. This is where the fantasies come from. laughing
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 22: 08
      -1
      Quote: bar
      And Vadim just didn’t go to vote,

      Which Vadim? 237th? Here is the loafer unconscious. laughing
    2. blackice
      blackice 6 July 2020 02: 40
      -1
      Seriously?
      And you, nameless, know exactly about this?
      Or supporters of the nullified can only smell from the side?
      But they came to us, to the organization. What do you think about a lot of wise zeroing, a lot of people go to work with a passport? And everyone voted.
  • Nehist
    Nehist 2 July 2020 10: 15
    +2
    I was also compared and it turned out that they didn’t correctly record errors in two digits, the circus began with a correction in a simple pencil and clarification of my personality. Voted against
  • BAI
    BAI 2 July 2020 11: 11
    +2
    The passport? What for!!!!

    How is it not a passport? Passport checked. And it was always checked. Check for availability on lists. I didn’t use other ways than to personally go. Maybe electronic or some other way.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 2 July 2020 07: 26
    10 th
    Quote: Finches
    in the end, capitalism and the state must count the money - since it pays to state employees, it may demand to come to the site on the day that it pays!

    But is this not a bribery of voters?
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 2 July 2020 07: 46
      11 th
      bribing voters?
      Everyone who voted remotely received bonuses. 1 bonus - 1 ruble. Bonuses from one thousand to four. You can upgrade the kettle for free or whatever your darling wants.
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 2 July 2020 08: 02
        0
        Quote: Gardamir
        bribing voters?
        Everyone who voted remotely received bonuses. 1 bonus - 1 ruble. Bonuses from one thousand to four. You can upgrade the kettle for free or whatever your darling wants.

        Not everyone, they didn’t charge me.
        Maybe because I voted against? what
    2. bar
      bar 2 July 2020 09: 19
      +7
      But is this not a bribery of voters?

      Stopudovo is. Here, even some handed out free pens to some))))
    3. BAI
      BAI 2 July 2020 11: 12
      +2
      He who feeds the girl dances her. Under capitalism we live.
    4. Finches
      Finches 2 July 2020 13: 05
      0
      I liked the elections in the USSR! At the polling stations there were always buffets with snacks, Zhigulevskoe beer ... laughing
  • Stas157
    Stas157 2 July 2020 07: 36
    +1
    Quote: Finches
    Budget workers, I agree, the bosses asked to be, but they didn’t indicate exactly what to do! And I don’t see anything wrong with that - in the end, capitalism and the state must count money - since it pays to state employees, it may demand to come to the site on the day that pays!

    This is not a state required come to the polls, and some officials who care about Putin more than their boss. At least Putin was broadcasting that citizens should come to vote without coercion. In your opinion, this did not concern state employees?

    Voting is a citizen's right, not an obligation. And this moment is enshrined in the Constitution, which is violated in this case. To state employees that someone pays a salary from their personal money in order to demand that they fulfill their Wishlist? Public sector employees get paid from a common boiler, where everyone pays taxes (and those who disagree with the government, too). Therefore, the demands of government officials in favor of one of the parties (ED) go beyond their authority.

    The wife is a state employee. So with them the authorities demanded not only to come to the polls, but also to report on it. Here is such an ugly picture.

    Quote: Finches
    I voted - "For"

    Seriously? And in appearance it seems like a decent person ...
    And I did not participate in this circus.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 2 July 2020 07: 39
    0
    capitalism and the state must count the money - since it pays to state employees, it may demand to come to the site on the day that it pays!
    This is what delights me! Everything that condemns the Soviet regime is resolved and enthralled under capitalism.
    1. SeregaBoss
      SeregaBoss 2 July 2020 08: 07
      +2
      I am very glad that the majority is adequate in the country! Now all UAVs UAVs UAVs are not inters, it’s just an opinion of the near lol
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 2 July 2020 10: 36
      -1
      Quote: Gardamir
      This is what delights me!

      This is a hysterical reaction. yes wassat
  • Odessa Greek
    Odessa Greek 2 July 2020 08: 52
    +4
    Went to vote with the whole family, voted "FOR", let the liberdya wipe himself out)
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 09: 12
      +3
      Quote: Odessa Greek
      Went to vote with the whole family, voted FOR,

      Valke-cup glass senatorial life! laughing
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 10: 14
        -1
        As the St. Petersburg governor, Valka was very good against Yakovlev. And certainly not worse than Poltava.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 10: 19
          +4
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          As the St. Petersburg governor, Valka was very good against Yakovlev.

          It’s already not bad when the footballers of the city’s Zenit received a half-budget for health care for sick leave.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 10: 23
            -2
            I’m on the drum, who grabbed something: I don’t have the habit of counting money in someone else’s pockets, I have my own. But Valka established urban transport, set up sports and children's playgrounds, improved the yards in particular, and improved the city as a whole, and made the housing and communal services move. And yes, the roads.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 10: 25
              -2
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              and the housing and communal services made me move.

              Yes, I remember how some rotten pipes were dug up, and other rotten pipes were dug.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 10: 33
                +5
                Where, in St. Petersburg? My yard was landscaped precisely in her reign, before there was impassable dirt, and pits in place of asphalt. And the transport that went about an hour on a teaspoon began to work like an watch. Plus, the bus tram fleet has been updated. I won’t put the top five for her reign — there were flaws, but a solid four.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 10: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  Where, in St. Petersburg?

                  In St. Petersburg, in St. Petersburg.
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  My yard was landscaped precisely in her reign

                  For those grandmothers that residents pay for a communal apartment, you can really blow up the lasers with a laser, as Valka suggested.
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 11: 10
                    +1
                    I pay 6,3 thousand for 107 squares of the total area. Lot? I don’t think so.
                  2. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 20: 38
                    0
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    I pay 6,3 thousand for 107 squares of the total area. Lot?

                    Do you include electricity, internet, water bills in this amount, or is it just empty?
          2. BAI
            BAI 2 July 2020 11: 17
            +2
            Valka adjusted

            Easy to set up when there is money. KS, Gazprom transferred to Peter - funding has appeared. And most importantly, the Foreign Economic Forum. Under him as under the Olympics. And every year.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 11: 23
              -3
              Here, frankly, how it was done is not interesting to me. I am interested in the result. And the result was obvious.
        2. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 2 July 2020 20: 16
          0
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          when the footballers of the city’s Zenith got a half-budget for healthcare for their sick leave.

          Well, if we have such laws. But do they pay taxes? They pay, it means they should be paid sick leave. And if the club does not pay insurance premiums, then this is a question for whom?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 20: 44
            0
            Quote: Pilat2009
            In general, do they pay taxes? They pay, which means they are also entitled to sick leave.

            But here’s the thing: the sick-list depends not on taxes, but on the salary, which players have in the hundreds of millions. He caught the poor fellow, coughed two weeks, if you please pay a couple of tens of millions for coughing.
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 2 July 2020 07: 54
    -4
    Traitors, Bandera, Vlasovites will not pass and did not pass. The people are not for you, the people are against you. And it will always be so! The people have a long, long memory ... The people will not forget your rule in the dashing 90s and the sale of Russia in bulk and retail to the extortioners, villains and villains, and also enemies.
    1. Burn1978
      Burn1978 2 July 2020 08: 30
      +2
      Now temporarily those in power are the direct successors of the affairs of those who arranged the 90s. They don't even deny it. Solzhenitsyn and Yeltsin are their idols. According to the "voting" it turns out that the "adequate" are satisfied with everything.
    2. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 2 July 2020 08: 35
      +4
      Quote: The Truth
      Traitors, Bandera, Vlasovites will not pass and did not pass. The people are not for you, the people are against you. And it will always be so! The people have a long, long memory ... The people will not forget your rule in the dashing 90s and the sale of Russia in bulk and retail to the extortioners, villains and villains, and also enemies.

      So in the 90s Chubais ruled and ... his subordinate - Putin (from the Sobchak team) lol
      And we (as part of the people) will not forget this. As a "fiery patriot", Vladimir Putin, having deserted from the state security organs and the CPSU to a team of ultraliberals, took an active part in the destruction and privatization of the USSR.

      PS
      sale of Russia wholesale and retail extortion, villains and villains, also enemies

      The idea of ​​collateral auctions was put forward by Vladimir Potanin.
      Which of today's oligarchs has enriched himself at secured auctions:
      Potanin, Abramovich, Alekperov, Deripaska, Mordashov

      source- Kommersant.ru from 13.11.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX: Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree.
      For great merits to the state and many years of conscientious work, he was awarded the Order and Merit for the Fatherland, XNUMXnd class, by the president and major shareholder of MMC Norilsk Nickel Vladimir Potanin.

      PPS laughing good
  • Civil
    Civil 2 July 2020 07: 59
    -9
    This is the existential loss of the Russian people, the bureaucracy, and judging by the aging of the population, this process of permanent degradation can no longer be stopped. However, it began in 1991.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 2 July 2020 10: 39
      -3
      Quote: Civil
      loss of the Russian people, bureaucracy,

      So people or bureaucracy? Poor thing, totally confused. laughing
      Quote: Civil
      the process of permanent degradation can no longer be stopped.

      The fact is obvious, but it is good that you are aware of this - therefore, you are not hopeless. Though...
      1. Civil
        Civil 2 July 2020 11: 00
        0
        So people or bureaucracy? Poor thing, totally confused.

        People first of all) well, the bureaucracy is not taken from China either) The Titanic is one for all, well, maybe except for the oligarchs.
  • Bomb
    Bomb 2 July 2020 10: 06
    +2
    You are still very far away from victory .....
  • codetalker
    codetalker 2 July 2020 06: 24
    +3
    This would have to be done before the vote. Now then, when everyone knows everything.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 2 July 2020 06: 36
      +3
      So after all, a survey was conducted on the site.
    2. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
      Aleksey Aleksandrovich 2 July 2020 06: 47
      14
      Quote: codetalker
      This would have to be done before the vote.


      And what is the point of conducting such a survey at VO? What would he show? Yes, only the attitude to the amendments of regular visitors to the site, but no more. This survey cannot pretend to be any representative, in principle, for a number of reasons.
      1. mdsr
        mdsr 2 July 2020 06: 56
        -3
        Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
        This survey cannot pretend to be any representative, in principle, for a number of reasons.

        I agree with you. Can not. To do this, the pafmilova, or at least the Chmurs, should count. Then there will be CORRECT calculations yes
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 2 July 2020 08: 16
          -1
          Quote: mdsr
          I agree with you. Can not. To do this, the pafmilova, or at least the Chmurs, should count. Then there will be CORRECT calculations

          That’s for sure, the polls at VO categorically do not correspond to the results of the CEC. However, in the opinion of local cheers, VO is a hotbed of liberals and Ukrainians, and this explains everything wassat
      2. blackice
        blackice 2 July 2020 07: 13
        -7
        This survey cannot pretend to be any representative, in principle, for a number of reasons.

        Like all this show nationwide.
      3. Freeman
        Freeman 2 July 2020 08: 11
        +4
        Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
        Quote: codetalker
        This would have to be done before the vote.


        And what is the point of conducting such a survey at VO? What would he show? Yes, only the attitude to the amendments of regular visitors to the site, but no more.

        It is to clarify the mood of visitors to the site, this survey is conducted. To know which articles of political orientation to give preference, so as not to lose the audience.
        The site is increasingly striving to become a narrowly specialized platform - a socio-political platform.
        1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
          Aleksey Aleksandrovich 2 July 2020 08: 33
          +5
          Yes, but only a few foolish citizens are in a hurry to level up the survey on the site with the results of voting in the whole country. And nagging about cheating, miscalculation, etc. begins. etc.
      4. Odessa Greek
        Odessa Greek 2 July 2020 08: 53
        +2
        I agree, and recently, VO becomes the sediment of Rusovob and neoliberals)
      5. bar
        bar 2 July 2020 09: 22
        +3
        And what is the point of conducting such a survey at VO? What would he show?

        The percentage of all the fans on this site, that's all
    3. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 2 July 2020 06: 51
      +3
      Quote: codetalker
      This would have to be done before the vote. Now then, when everyone knows everything.


      And so that you have an occasion to express your displeasure.
  • Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 2 July 2020 06: 25
    11 th
    21% against? Seriously... am Obviously, the results are crooked.
    1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
      Aleksey Aleksandrovich 2 July 2020 06: 53
      15
      Quote: Sergey 777
      It’s obvious that the results are curves


      Have you looked out the window and determined the real results? Or do you have some other way to determine the real ratio of those who voted FOR or Against?
      I’ll tell you a secret that yesterday, by the nature of my service, I spent the whole day at one of the polling stations in my city. Accordingly, he was present at the vote counting. I'm afraid to upset you, but about 72% of people voted FOR, against about 25%, and the rest just ruined the bill.
      At other polling stations, the results are about the same.
      So my friend, you are trying to give out wishful thinking.
      1. Tochilka
        Tochilka 2 July 2020 07: 00
        +5
        Something big is the percentage of spoiled. In the area where I was, it amounted to 0.9%. with 739 votes. Moreover, it was only one that was specially spoiled. Others are incorrectly filled.
        1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
          Aleksey Aleksandrovich 2 July 2020 07: 04
          +1
          Quote: Tochilka
          Moreover, it was only one that was specially spoiled. Others are incorrectly filled.


          Incorrectly filled billions are also considered damaged.
          1. Tochilka
            Tochilka 2 July 2020 07: 23
            +6
            newsletters. Incorrectly filled commission also identified as spoiled. And she added a number to the final protocol.
      2. Deck
        Deck 2 July 2020 07: 13
        -6
        I’ll tell you a secret that yesterday, by type of service, I spent the whole day at one of the polling stations in my city


        Why are you disclosing secrets to where you were abandoned. The secret employee (sexot for short) should be silent, gloomy and merge with the surrounding landscape.
        1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
          Aleksey Aleksandrovich 2 July 2020 07: 18
          12
          Quote: Deck
          Secret employee (sex abbreviated) must be silent


          What, bloody gebnya in every corner seems?
          And what I secretly shared with you is not a state secret. And the expression "in secret" is just a common phrase used in a variety of contexts. In this case, the phrase "in secret" means only that what I said is absolutely not a secret at all. Do you understand?
          1. Deck
            Deck 2 July 2020 07: 26
            13 th
            Do not join our glorious state security organs. I had in mind the State Department or, in extreme cases, the Mossad.
            1. fider
              fider 2 July 2020 07: 53
              +2
              Deck (Pertti)
              Do not cling to our glorious state security agencies. I meant the State Department or, in extreme cases, the Mossad. "
              But Mossad does not need to get dirty, it's not for you. laughing tongue hi
              1. Deck
                Deck 2 July 2020 07: 57
                -6
                Well then, Bolivian intelligence wink
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 2 July 2020 07: 25
          +9
          Quote: Deck
          sex abbreviated

          what Hmm .. grinds you as an adult !!! No wonder Skomorokhov came up with a vote for you laughing
        3. Phil77
          Phil77 2 July 2020 07: 34
          +7
          Quote: Deck
          The secret employee (sexot for short) should be silent, gloomy and merge with the surrounding landscape.

          Yes, okay! Everything is exactly the opposite. He was cheerful, talkative / the ability to * poison * jokes is welcome / and not to separate from the team surrounding him. bully
      3. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 2 July 2020 08: 19
        -6
        Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
        I'm afraid to upset you, but about 72% of people voted FOR

        What 72% ?! How will Kiriyenko announce this to Putin ?! Yes, he will send him to hell right away. 76% is already a sacred figure, everything revolves around it. If a similar vote were for Pension Reform, the result would be near this figure.
        1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
          Aleksey Aleksandrovich 2 July 2020 08: 30
          0
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          What 72% ?! How will Kiriyenko announce this to Putin ?! Yes, he will send him to hell


          Good on poop come. Your type of humor will not change anything.
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 2 July 2020 09: 54
            +2
            Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
            Good on poop come. Your type of humor will not change anything.
            "Rude, lad!" (C)
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 2 July 2020 06: 29
    -7
    all around is a solid box, so who and who walked and who didn’t go could not do anything, but at least the chief knows the true numbers
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 2 July 2020 07: 06
      0
      glavnyuk for a long time already on the drum at the TsIKovsky tsifiri ... the main thing is that the slaves, as before, and with joy for brazing rations, are ready to bend their backs ...
    2. Tochilka
      Tochilka 2 July 2020 07: 24
      0
      As it was said, but on another occasion "this is not losh" bully
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 2 July 2020 06: 31
    +8
    We are waiting for interesting times, in fact the authorities received carte blanche for any action. After all, 79% approving of a new and bright era.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 2 July 2020 06: 35
      0
      in fact, the government received carte blanche
      But someone in power knows the true state of affairs.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 2 July 2020 06: 48
        +5
        Quote: Gardamir
        But someone in power knows the true state of affairs.


        What's the point? They wanted to spit on this knowledge. "The elephant is bad, the information is good" - as it was in the cartoon about the Kolobkov brothers.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 2 July 2020 07: 01
          -3
          They wanted to give a damn about this knowledge.
          I disagree here. Clear. that the memo will go to the very top, "the country voted in unanimous impulse for." But someone will think, at first they did not go to vote, and then something else ...
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 2 July 2020 08: 44
            0
            Quote: Gardamir
            They wanted to give a damn about this knowledge.
            But someone would think, at first they didn’t go to vote, and then something else ...

            Do not entertain yourself with illusions.
            Those who "did not go" will not go anywhere further.
            And the more there are, the better for the "authorities".
        2. Per se.
          Per se. 2 July 2020 09: 13
          -2
          Quote: Banshee
          about the Kolobkov brothers

          Just about, "Koloboks are conducting the investigation," it would be relevant for the referendum.
          I don’t understand anything! Or something happened, or one of two!
          Voted "For-Against?"

          Well, seriously, if the authorities of 20 years prevented anything from having clean hands, a warm heart and a cold head, for good deeds for Russia, now they have all the trump cards, it will be interesting to see. Will the Central Bank of the Russian Federation lend to the Russian economy, will it come to the Russian Crimea, and everything else that true patriots so hotly advertised on TV screens.
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 2 July 2020 09: 57
            +1
            PS Above there was skepticism about the referendum itself, in which I participated, I voted against, for some reason, which I expressed earlier in the comments. Unfortunately, there is too much patriotic demagogy, outright scam in campaigning before the referendum. But, I am for Russia, for the good of our people, how to achieve this, is another question.
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 2 July 2020 17: 09
              -2
              But, I am for Russia, for the benefit of our people
              Well, who for these words has instructed you minuses.
    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 2 July 2020 06: 45
      +9
      They said, even before the "vote", that "such necessary amendments" already support 2/3 of the population ... So, as they say in certain circles: "the programmed result is obtained in full accordance with the given algorithm" .... Honestly, I just have an emptiness in my soul, something broke ... in spite of the fact that everything was known in advance, and absolutely nothing solved this show, but ... all the same ... there was some hope ... for what? but fig knows ... However, now, it doesn't matter ... "In my opinion, this is the end, gentlemen ...." ("Two comrades served") .... recourse
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 2 July 2020 06: 35
    -3
    Well, gentlemen, where is the queue for the yoke around our neck, which we were so cleverly hung yesterday, under the guise of "democratic choice of the people" ??? Just like in the old joke, when God brought Eve to Adam and said, "Well , that choose your wife "! So we were" put before a choice yesterday "- not to go to the polls, or let the farce come true! And anyway, the result would be what the authorities ordered it.
  • Olegater
    Olegater 2 July 2020 06: 37
    11
    Good morning Dear forum users!
    I could not resist and comment.
    Who doubted that they would vote against?
    And for the show, they drew a protest vote.
    And I have a question, what are you going to do, who voted for when this zeroed out does not live up to your hopes? As with pension reform (the clearest example). Starting from July 1, housing and communal services tariffs will increase, the labeling of goods will be introduced (no matter how much and which), all the same, price increases. Money is sorely lacking. And tell the good people, what will happen next? Well, accepted the letter that life is getting better? Will prices go down? Will the gone money be returned from the West? Will they expel all bureaucrats with double-triple (homeland) passports?
    Yeah, schaz, keep your pocket wider!
    And vote like that in one fell swoop! Yes, people were not thrown like that.
    And I’ll probably answer this way, until Mr. President returns the withdrawn, stolen money to the Russian economy, sends thieves to prison, restores social laws in the country, for me it's just a figure. Nothing decisive.
    1. Rubi0
      Rubi0 2 July 2020 07: 26
      +3
      And if you voted against the fact that on earth would paradise come? And yes, why can’t you put up with the fact that 75% have a different opinion?
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 2 July 2020 07: 32
      +3
      Quote: Olegater
      And I have a question

      what So I have a question .. what will you do, you are not always satisfied when you come to power? Well honestly .. WHAT?
      1. Olegater
        Olegater 2 July 2020 08: 30
        -1
        Good morning, dear forum users!
        To the first question about humility with 75%, to be honest, their business is how to vote. Humility has nothing to do with it. Well then, these people do not let them complain that their power has deceived, offends, etc. share my point of view with the rest is my right. If you didn’t bring to mind your point of view, then this is either my miscalculations or a deaf person to the opinion of others.
        And regarding the second question: if we come, as you say, "YOU, eternally dissatisfied" to power, then work for the good of the Motherland and no other way. Not to have property and everything of value abroad, to work for the people and in the name of the people!
        What is really bad?
        The counter question "Are you always satisfied with this power" has already shown what you are capable of. Withdrawing funds, what is wrong? They have several passports and their well-being abroad, why aren't these individuals "Your representatives are happy with everything"?
        I tried several options to write an answer, everything turned out wrong. And if sharply, then call me, my opinion.

        With respect to all!
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 2 July 2020 08: 58
          +1
          Quote: Olegater
          As for the second question: if we come, as you put it, "YOU, eternally dissatisfied" to power, then work for the good of the Motherland and not otherwise.

          It’s somehow vague, Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky, Navalny all the same about the good of the Motherland were baked and baked, but somehow I have little faith in them!
          Quote: Olegater
          if we come

          What exactly? Only without slogans!
          Quote: Olegater
          Withdrawals, what's wrong?

          laughing Imagine, the great communists of the USSR also withdraw funds abroad! It was, is and will be! At least today’s people don’t lie about a future paradise under unrealizable communism!
          Quote: Olegater
          They have several passports and their well-being abroad, why aren't these individuals "Your representatives are happy with everything"?

          laughing For the most part they are YOURS, because they are also very dissatisfied with the authorities wink
          1. Olegater
            Olegater 2 July 2020 11: 33
            +2
            Yes, the dialogue did not work.
            Well this is for the best. I’m not going to enter the bazaar. If you did not see in my comment the answer to your question is not my problem. If a person does not want to hear, he will not hear. Told ya. Yes, and powerful bastards came to power thanks to those who were always FOR and all contented elements. Rather, yours will remain in power thanks to you.
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 2 July 2020 13: 31
              -1
              Quote: Olegater
              Well this is for the best. I’m not going to enter the bazaar. If you did not see in my comment the answer to your question is not my problem. If a person does not want to hear, he will not hear.
              Local pro-power trolls do not ask questions for answers. Therefore to the question
              Quote: Serg65
              So I have a question .. what will you do, you are not always satisfied when you come to power? Well honestly .. WHAT?

              The simplest and most reasonable answer is as follows:
              "I would forever ban user Serg65 on VO" wassat
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 2 July 2020 15: 26
                -3
                The simplest and most reasonable answer would be - "I don't know"
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 22: 13
                  -2
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  The simplest and most reasonable answer would be - "I don't know"

                  Nonsense. You just need to be able to listen to people, and make a compromise.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 2 July 2020 23: 29
                    0
                    There will be no compromise - you have to choose the lesser of two evils. There are too many Wishlist in countries and funds are limited offended as they do not stay cool.
      2. Burn1978
        Burn1978 2 July 2020 08: 59
        +5
        You shouldn't be so. The Perpetually Disaffected is valuable for questioning what is happening and promoting change. From the "eternally dissatisfied" myself, I will answer as follows: establishing responsibility for those who are in power for the results of government according to their achievements, removing their immunity and introducing a clear recall mechanism, changing legislation in favor of an ordinary honest working man, redistributing income from the sale of natural resources, prohibiting offshore ... Lee Kuan Yew and Singapore are a good example. In Russia, millions and billions are stolen, even according to the Accounts Chamber ...
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 2 July 2020 09: 40
          -1
          Quote: Burn1978
          The "eternally dissatisfied" are valuable in that they question what is happening and push change

          Regarding "pushing changes", can you tell us more about where they have promoted and what changes?
          Quote: Burn1978
          establishment of responsibility, those in power for the results of the board on their achievements

          I almost agree with this, why almost ...... not for the results of the reign, but during the reign, because a mistake, embezzlement and corruption are immediately visible and it makes no sense to wait for the results to be achieved! Here, for example, the Irkutsk governor Levchenko .. stole money allocated to help victims of the flood .... why not planted ????
          Quote: Burn1978
          removal of immunity from them and the introduction of a clear recall mechanism,

          I completely agree with this!
          Quote: Burn1978
          changes in legislation in favor of an ordinary honest person of work, redistribution of income from the sale of natural resources,

          What and how to change? And how to redistribute?
          Quote: Burn1978
          ban offshore

          It is high time and as far as I know, this is already being done.
          But I didn’t ask about that!
          Opposition coming to power what exactly will it do? All that you described, it is a cosmetic repair of the current government and more!
      3. bar
        bar 2 July 2020 09: 29
        +2
        what will YOU do, forever not happy when you come to power? Well honestly .. WHAT?

        They will come out to the square with a placard "DOWN!" laughing
        They don’t know anything else.
      4. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 2 July 2020 11: 27
        0
        And they are like ukry "yanyk must go" and then at least the grass does not grow.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 2 July 2020 06: 38
    -9
    In my opinion, VO begins to turn into a shout for 5 columns.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 2 July 2020 06: 47
      +4
      Quote: Ros 56
      In my opinion, VO begins to turn into a shout for 5 columns.


      In my opinion, it’s time for you to look for another site for information and discussions. The site of the First Channel is quite suitable for you.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 2 July 2020 06: 53
        +5
        I’ll somehow manage without snotty advisers, where and what should I look and do. stop
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 2 July 2020 07: 58
        +4
        Quote: Banshee
        I think you should go look for another site.

        Roman, and who exactly are you to indicate where to be and where not to be? You are Nobody and call you No way, but for some reason imagined yourself the Lord of the universe !!!
        Quote: Banshee
        The site of Channel One is quite suitable for you.

        laughing Oh, rename the Military Review site to the Khuporkovsky mouthpiece! And you will be happy, only your fans and admirers will be on the site .. thank, Roman!
      3. fider
        fider 2 July 2020 08: 02
        -7
        Banshee (Novel)
        Oh well done. And I thought badly of you. I’ll recover. hi
        1. Pytnik
          Pytnik 2 July 2020 08: 48
          +5
          Wait, the virtual captain will soon be assigned for the deflection laughing
      4. Woodman
        Woodman 2 July 2020 08: 40
        +6
        Quote: Banshee
        I think you should go look for another site.

        Doesn't your advice run counter to the politics of the "party"?
        Quote: Banshee
        The costs of democracy. It is necessary to post not only criticism, but also this.
      5. Masha
        Masha 2 July 2020 08: 48
        11
        In my opinion, it’s time for you to look for another site for information and discussions about it
        like in a store .... don't like go to another winked
        Not afraid of losing purchasing power?
        Although what am I talking about? recourse enough liberal consumers ... it's a shame for the site .... turned into the trash ....
        1. DVR
          DVR 2 July 2020 13: 05
          +2
          like in a store .... don't like go to another winked
          Not afraid of losing purchasing power?

          Normally, for a website, such holivars are just that. If there were no Roman, he would have had to be invented. And a couple of Sylvesters and Malyut under his articles. It is under them that there are most comments. Take "paralay" or other forums - peace and blessing, all smart, all professionals. So it would be here, but Roman, among others, tries, and battles every day smile
          Thanks to Roman!
          1. Masha
            Masha 2 July 2020 16: 02
            +1
            Quote: DVR
            Thanks to Roman!

            why not thank you? thank!!! on shit rating does! well done! Bravo!!!!!!!!
      6. bar
        bar 2 July 2020 09: 36
        +8
        In my opinion, it's time for you to look for another site for information

        For once, I agree with Skomorokhov. For information, this site, thanks to the efforts of Roman himself, has not been suitable for a long time. And it’s a pity, the idea at its creation was interesting. It is a pity that all performers on the ground spoiled everything. sad
    2. Snarkxnumx
      Snarkxnumx 2 July 2020 06: 55
      -6
      "horn 5 columns"
      Apparently not five columns. And hundreds, thousands, millions.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 09: 03
        +2
        It so seems to them that there are millions of them. Like motorcyclists on the streets: there are few of them, just a lot of noise from them.
        1. Mouse
          Mouse 2 July 2020 09: 16
          +7
          Like motorcyclists on the streets: there are few of them, just a lot of noise from them


          laughing
    3. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
      Aleksey Aleksandrovich 2 July 2020 06: 57
      +1
      Quote: Ros 56
      In my opinion, VO begins to turn into a shout for 5 columns.


      Definitely like that!
    4. Volodin
      Volodin 2 July 2020 06: 59
      14
      Quote: Ros 56
      In my opinion, VO begins to turn into a shout for 5 columns.

      And, in your opinion, the first sign of the "mouthpiece of the 5th column" is a question to citizens about how citizens voted? If such a question cannot be asked after the vote, then there is a reason to think about who and where the real 5th column is and who exactly is its mouthpiece - are these readers-commentators ...
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 2 July 2020 07: 08
        0
        Why don’t you understand simple things, you can’t ask, you can’t draw any conclusions based on their results, because here on the site for the most part people of certain interests related to the military and weapons gather, and not at all teachers, doctors, turners or seamstresses motorists.
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 2 July 2020 07: 32
          11
          Quote: Ros 56
          and not teachers, doctors, turners, or motor-seamstresses.

          I am a teacher, at VO 8 years. I know who the doctor, driver, forwarder, seller is. I know fans of Bacchus and a sober image, believers and atheists, lovers of cats and dogs, etc. So, conclusions can and should be made. The HE forum can be seen as a section of society. If you read the comments for 5 years, you can notice how the opinion of the majority of visitors has changed in relation to the authorities, to the situation in the country.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 2 July 2020 07: 50
            +7
            Here you are very mistaken in this, a specific site cannot be a slice of society by definition, but you have the right to think so.
            1. Karabin
              Karabin 2 July 2020 07: 58
              +6
              Quote: Ros 56
              a specific site cannot be a slice of society by definition

              What is so specific about it, really "shoulder straps"? Especially in the sections "Opinions" and "Analytics" the general political theme has long "won out" the narrow military one.
          2. bar
            bar 2 July 2020 09: 41
            +2
            In my opinion, it's time for you to look for another site for information

            And how did it change? I’m only here for the second year, for this I don’t know all the dynamics. But in my humble opinion, all-propaganda activists have recently intensified, to which, using their official position, certain members of the site’s editors clearly had a hand in it. And what do you think?
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 09: 47
            0
            Quote: Karabin
            I am a teacher, at VO 8 years. I know who the doctor, driver, forwarder, seller is. I know fans of Bacchus and a sober image, believers and atheists, lovers of cats and dogs, etc. So, conclusions can and should be made.

            There is little female gender. Mother said yesterday:
            “I'm going to vote.”
            - For whom?
            - For the amendments.
            “Have you read them?”
            - Not. And it is necessary? On TV they say they are good.
            A curtain.
            1. Woodman
              Woodman 2 July 2020 09: 54
              +7
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Mother said yesterday:
              “I'm going to vote.”
              - For whom?
              - For the amendments.
              “Have you read them?”
              - Not. And it is necessary? On TV they say they are good.
              A curtain.

              So she trusts Putin more than you.
              Those who did not read, but voted (it does not matter FOR / AGAIN) only expressed their trust / distrust to the president, since this is his initiative. And to study the amendments, if desired, there was more than enough time.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 10: 00
                -3
                Quote: Lesovik
                So she trusts Putin more than you.

                And I didn’t say anything about the amendments, unlike the TV, which was yapping from morning till night with the voices of Bezrukov and Matsuev.
                The data of the Central Election Commission (CEC) leads RIA Novosti.

                77,92 percent voted for the amendments, 21,27 percent against.

                https://lenta.ru/news/2020/07/02/okonchateln/?utm_campaign=breaking-news&utm_medium=browser-notification&utm_source=push-notification
                Who would doubt that ... laughing Congratulations, submission succeeded.
                1. Woodman
                  Woodman 2 July 2020 10: 05
                  +7
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  And I didn’t say anything about the amendments, unlike the TV, which squealed from morning to evening
                  In addition to the TV, there is also a refrigerator, which probably "spoke" in unison with the TV. (joke). hi
              2. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 13: 01
                +1
                Quote: Lesovik
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Mother said yesterday:
                “I'm going to vote.”
                - For whom?
                - For the amendments.
                “Have you read them?”
                - Not. And it is necessary? On TV they say they are good.
                A curtain.

                So she trusts Putin more than you.
                Those who did not read, but voted (it does not matter FOR / AGAIN) only expressed their trust / distrust to the president, since this is his initiative. And to study the amendments, if desired, there was more than enough time.

                She was simply "fooled" from the TV screen - all business then!
                I also have a couple of acquaintances who went and voted "for" - and were VERY surprised that they voted for "shoveling" - when I told them laughing They were on TV and didn’t hear the words in the advertisement about it - and Putin didn’t stand up for the spirit because he had postponed their pension for 5 years bully
                1. Woodman
                  Woodman 2 July 2020 13: 04
                  +2
                  Quote: Corona without virus
                  on TV and the words in the advertisement did not hear about it

                  And I just found out about it from the TV)) Although I watch it very rarely))) I was probably lucky ... But here I heard a lot of different opinions))
                  1. Virus-free crown
                    Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 13: 09
                    -3
                    Quote: Lesovik
                    Quote: Corona without virus
                    on TV and the words in the advertisement did not hear about it

                    And I just found out about it from the TV)) Although I watch it very rarely))) I was probably lucky ... But here I heard a lot of different opinions))

                    I’m 50 years old, my circle of acquaintances is + -10 years old ... so much ... Everyone hates Putin that they will not retire at 55/60 ... EVERYTHING !!! But they knew that when they vote for amendments, they vote for Putin — a few !!! ... Draw your own conclusions ... What if there was a normal company for voting, and videos would constantly spin on TV, that you would vote for amendments vote for eternity for the person who stole your 5 years of your life - what would be the results of the vote? ...
                    1. Woodman
                      Woodman 2 July 2020 13: 15
                      +2
                      Quote: Corona without virus
                      I’m 50 years old, my circle of acquaintances is + -10 years old ... so much ... Everyone hates Putin that they will not retire at 55/60 ... EVERYTHING !!! But they knew that when they vote for amendments, they vote for Putin — a few !!! ..

                      Why didn't you "enlighten" them? Realistically, you know what they "hate", but you didn't know that they were not aware of this amendment?
                      Yes, just the other day, the media circulated Putin’s words that he doesn’t exclude the possibility of going to new elections. Your friends do not use the Internet, do not read newspapers? Six months of discussions passed? Moreover, this amendment was mainly discussed for half a year.
                      1. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 13: 36
                        -2
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        Quote: Corona without virus
                        I’m 50 years old, my circle of acquaintances is + -10 years old ... so much ... Everyone hates Putin that they will not retire at 55/60 ... EVERYTHING !!! But they knew that when they vote for amendments, they vote for Putin — a few !!! ..

                        Why didn't you "enlighten" them? Realistically, you know what they "hate", but you didn't know that they were not aware of this amendment?
                        Yes, just the other day, the media circulated Putin’s words that he doesn’t exclude the possibility of going to new elections. Your friends do not use the Internet, do not read newspapers? Six months of discussions passed? Moreover, this amendment was mainly discussed for half a year.

                        Out of roughly 50 of my acquaintances (from a homeless person to a deputy minister of the region), at best, 25 are interested in politics - so they knew that ... And the rest "screwed up", because they no longer believe in good ...
          4. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 11: 45
            +2
            It can be considered as a section of society, but it can also be considered as a testing ground for running through political technologies.
        2. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 2 July 2020 11: 35
          +1
          Unfortunately nowadays it is full of whiners who have nothing to do with the army or the armament, just sit and whine like jackals, even in articles with a different topic.
          It is necessary for them to have a separate heading "column of mourners" let them sit there like on an echo of matzo and decent people will simply not go there.
      2. DVR
        DVR 2 July 2020 07: 39
        +8
        And, in your opinion, the first sign of the "mouthpiece of the 5th column" is a question to citizens about how citizens voted?

        I think, Yuri, did not quite correctly put it, and you did not understand him correctly. He apparently means that VO involuntarily turns into the mouthpiece of the 5th column due to the abundance of protrolls, which do not always state an objective anti-Russian position. If anything, let him fix it.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 2 July 2020 08: 01
          -2
          Quote: DVR
          He apparently means that VO involuntarily turns into the mouthpiece of the 5th column because of the abundance of protrolls, which do not always set forth an objective anti-Russian position. If anything, let him correct it.

          Why do you consider any position different from yours anti-Russian?
          1. DVR
            DVR 2 July 2020 08: 12
            +3
            Why do you consider any position different from yours anti-Russian?

            Do not be fooled, I do not consider any position other than mine to be anti-Russian. And those that I consider as such, just because they coincide with the position of the enemies of Russia, it’s obvious :) I don’t get any clear answers from them, there’s nothing concrete, the discussion, as a rule, is taken by opponents towards meaningless phrases, populist slogans, sometimes emotions.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 2 July 2020 08: 46
              -4
              Quote: DVR
              Do not be fooled, I do not consider any position other than mine to be anti-Russian. And those that I consider as such, just because they coincide with the position of the enemies of Russia, it’s obvious :) I don’t get any clear answers from them, there’s nothing concrete, the discussion, as a rule, is taken by opponents towards meaningless phrases, populist slogans, sometimes emotions.

              Do not be cunning, any position other than pro-government, you are trying to put anti-Russian.
              1. DVR
                DVR 2 July 2020 08: 59
                +1
                Do not be cunning, any position other than pro-government, you are trying to put anti-Russian.

                You're lying again, Alex. Here is one of my comments:
                ... it is absolutely true that "The management of the company missed the biting blow, to put it mildly, forgetting about their own protection ...". And this is very mildly said. Did they think the States would just give up one of the pillars of their hegemony (Europe cut off from Russia)? For decades to cut off Europe, invest trillions in it, and then simply allow Russia to implement projects here as part of its strategy. Moreover, this is a repetition of what already happened when the Union was building the Druzhba pipeline. Sanctions, a one-year delay in launching, ... everything is repeated. The management approached the implementation irresponsibly. ... Everything had to be ready at the beginning of work: both Chersky, and Fortuna and everything else, and not be on the other side of the world. Nothing hindered this.
                Can this be called a pro-government position? The authorities in this case crap one's pants, and I recorded this in the text.
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 2 July 2020 09: 19
                  -3
                  Quote: DVR
                  You're lying again, Alex. Here is one of my comments:

                  "Here is the voice of a true liberal, he could not resist - the poor fellow burst through. You (the majority) are hopelessly stupid, and I am d'Artagnan, you are anchovies, and we are dolphins, you are flies, and we are bees ..."
                  "I see perfectly well beyond the nose, I see how people live, how the roads are being built and of what quality, how the infrastructure is changing, I also see the numbers. Why talk in slogans? Let's have the numbers, compare the indicators of the late 90s and today, and everything will be visible."
                  "You only see it. I can just as well assume that you are being financed by Putin's opponents."
                  "And I believe the person from whom the enemies of Russia, represented by the representatives of the United States and the transnational elite, are mutilated. It was with Yeltsin that they kissed on the gums, praised and helped him in every possible way."
                  Give your more comments or enough? Try to understand that if people have a different attitude to the current government, a different position on the path of development of Russia, this does not mean at all that they live in (in) Ukraine or the United States and are liberals or a fifth column.
                  1. DVR
                    DVR 2 July 2020 09: 36
                    -1
                    Give your more comments or enough? Try to understand that if people have a different attitude to the current government, a different position on the path of development of Russia, this does not mean at all that they live in (in) Ukraine or the United States and are liberals or a fifth column.

                    Why all this, you confused yourself completely laughing
                    You wrote:
                    Why any positiondifferent from yours do you consider anti-Russian?
                    Don't be cunning any positiondifferent from pro-government, you are trying to set anti-Russian.

                    I gave you an example where I prove that I do not consider any position different from mine and pro-government to be anti-Russian. From this example it is clearly seen that I myself express a position different from pro-government.
                    "Here is the voice of a true liberal, he could not resist - the poor fellow burst through. You (the majority) are hopelessly stupid, and I am d'Artagnan, you are anchovies, and we are dolphins, you are flies, and we are bees ..."
                    The man said that the majority are stupid "the amendments have not really read, and their opinion is the noodles that the Nightingale hangs and jelly", my reaction is quite adequate, isn't it? And his reaction is very similar to the reaction of our liberals, whom I have quoted.
                    "I see perfectly well beyond the nose, I see how people live, how the roads are being built and of what quality, how the infrastructure is changing, I also see the numbers. Why talk in slogans? Let's have the numbers, compare the indicators of the late 90s and today, and everything will be visible."

                    Here the man spoke with slogans, I asked for the numbers - he merged, what's wrong?
                    "You only see it. I can just as well assume that you are being financed by Putin's opponents."

                    In this case, it was the answer to the opponent's phrase: "And according to the statements one sees something else: the card of a member of" Edra "burns his pocket ...". Am I wrong about something?
                    "And I believe the person from whom the enemies of Russia, represented by the representatives of the United States and the transnational elite, are mutilated. It was with Yeltsin that they kissed on the gums, praised and helped him in every possible way."

                    Here I set out the facts, are they incorrect?
                    I understand that this may be a flood, but it is on your initiative.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 09: 49
              -1
              Quote: DVR
              they coincide with the position of the enemies of Russia, it’s obvious :) I don’t get any clear answers from them, the specifics are zero, the discussion, as a rule, is taken by opponents towards meaningless phrases, populist slogans, sometimes emotions.

              The same thing about people like you can say. You haven’t written anything concrete right now. Understand how you want.
              1. DVR
                DVR 2 July 2020 09: 52
                -1
                You haven’t written anything concrete right now.

                I wrote everything specifically, even very much, for each of my quotes given by Alexei. He substantiated the falsity of his thesis that I consider any position other than pro-government as anti-Russian. So do not lie, Vladimir.
                And Alexei is a liar, and he merged in our last discussion (about cormorant).
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 2 July 2020 10: 54
                  -5
                  Quote: DVR
                  And Alexei is a liar, and he merged in our last discussion (about cormorant).

                  You asked for a comment, I gave. I repeat
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Quote: DVR
                  Prove, don't be a cormorant.

                  For example: "The Jews in this world will always rule ... and ... all correct concepts of the beautiful, the sublime, the noble and the good ... are invented by them."
                  https://mylib.pro/ru/book/adolf-gitler-1/moya-borba#google_vignette
                  In your opinion is this a quote? You can see the rules of citation here: https://orfogrammka.ru/OGL03/70091470.html
                  And today, intentionally or not, but you are a liar and a manipulator.

                  I wrote to you how the comments are written. But in response to this, you wrote the most perfect game, which you do not want to comment on. All that you and others like you can lie and label. And I don’t have the opportunity to spend much time on the site, unlike some, they don’t pay money for comments. Therefore, I repeat, I don’t have time to comment on your next one, like any other nonsense.
                  Quote: DVR
                  I wrote everything specifically, even very much, for each of my quotes given by Alexei. He substantiated the falsity of his thesis that I consider any position other than pro-government as anti-Russian. So do not lie, Vladimir.

                  You re-read your comments, worthless, such "justifications".
                  Quote: DVR
                  Let's give the numbers, compare the indicators of the late 90s and today, and everything will be visible "

                  Since 1913 do not want to compare? Correctly compare the performance of the late 80's.
                  Quote: DVR
                  Here I set out the facts, are they incorrect?

                  What are the facts? Was the Yeltsin "family" transplanted? Where is Chubais now, is the forest sawing in Kolyma? Who built the Yeltsin Center?
                  Quote: DVR
                  "Here is the voice of a true liberal, he could not resist - the poor fellow burst through. You (the majority) are hopelessly stupid, and I am d'Artagnan, you are anchovies, and we are dolphins, you are flies, and we are bees ..."

                  And how can you comment on this nonsense? Among other things, you are also a thief who steals someone else’s time demanding answers to his completely insane posts.
                  1. DVR
                    DVR 2 July 2020 11: 42
                    -3
                    And how can you comment on this nonsense? Among other things, you are also a thief who steals someone else’s time demanding answers to his completely insane posts.

                    The poet’s soul could not stand it laughing Carried a blizzard.
                    All my comments are publicly available. Everyone has the opportunity to read any of my discussions, incl. and with you (article - What will NOT be in the Constitution). In almost all heated discussions, opponents were unable to substantiate anything, present any arguments, and sometimes, as you are now, demonstrated absolute ignorance and narrow-mindedness. Now I can easily humiliate you once again for every "thesis" you cite, but I will not do this, you have already stolen a lot of time from me.
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 22: 26
                  0
                  Quote: DVR
                  He substantiated the falsity of his thesis that I consider any position other than pro-government as anti-Russian. So do not lie, Vladimir.

                  Ugh! It would be easier to write, without kooky, otherwise you won’t understand without a glass.
            3. Virus-free crown
              Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 13: 04
              +1
              Quote: DVR
              Why do you consider any position different from yours anti-Russian?

              Do not be fooled, I do not consider any position other than mine to be anti-Russian. And those that I consider as such, just because they coincide with the position of the enemies of Russia, it’s obvious :) I don’t get any clear answers from them, there’s nothing concrete, the discussion, as a rule, is taken by opponents towards meaningless phrases, populist slogans, sometimes emotions.

              Well, let's debate with me drinks I’m not an enemy of Russia - I’m her fan and citizen, and therefore I think that we, Russians need to live better, and not worse)))
              1. DVR
                DVR 2 July 2020 13: 41
                0
                I’m not an enemy of Russia - I’m her fan and citizen, and therefore I think that we, Russians need to live better, and not worse)))

                Come on, only I do not protroll, I warn you, I now have to run now, things. And so it’s impermissible to give a lot of time on vacation to discussions. If your text is already a subject of discussion, then I support you 100% drinks
                1. Virus-free crown
                  Virus-free crown 2 July 2020 13: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: DVR
                  I’m not an enemy of Russia - I’m her fan and citizen, and therefore I think that we, Russians need to live better, and not worse)))

                  Come on, only I do not protroll, I warn you, I now have to run now, things. And so it’s impermissible to give a lot of time on vacation to discussions. If your text is already a subject of discussion, then I support you 100% drinks

                  During the non-quarantine period of 3 months that did not allow my company to work - 15 years on the market by the way - our company is bankrupt, I am unemployed, I am resting in the country, so I'm NOT in a hurry good Ready to wait for your online hi
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 2 July 2020 22: 29
                    -1
                    Quote: Corona without virus
                    our company bankrupt

                    My bourgeois too.
                    Quote: Corona without virus
                    relaxing in the country

                    And I, you loafers, pump water.
                  2. DVR
                    DVR 2 July 2020 23: 34
                    +1
                    Just arrived, went over with the Kent, on vacation though. As some of my opponents say, I went over the boyars :) But I do not mind discussing it. Thanks to quarantine, I first got the experience of chatting online. In my fifth decade I gained invaluable experience, I learned a lot about online battles :)
                    1. Virus-free crown
                      Virus-free crown 3 July 2020 12: 29
                      +1
                      Quote: DVR
                      Just arrived, went over with the Kent, on vacation though. As some of my opponents say, I went over the boyars :) But I do not mind discussing it. Thanks to quarantine, I first got the experience of chatting online. In my fifth decade I gained invaluable experience, I learned a lot about online battles :)

                      That is why I did not start the discussion yesterday - for "the pickle is our everything !!!" drinks
                      I am ready - if you are ready hi
                      1. DVR
                        DVR 3 July 2020 12: 49
                        0
                        That is why I did not start the discussion yesterday - for "the pickle is our everything !!!" drinks
                        I am ready - if you are ready hi

                        Of course I’m ready :) Oh, the age is not the same for such swindlers, but earlier ... hi
                      2. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 3 July 2020 13: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: DVR
                        That is why I did not start the discussion yesterday - for "the pickle is our everything !!!" drinks
                        I am ready - if you are ready hi

                        Of course I’m ready :) Oh, the age is not the same for such swindlers, but earlier ... hi

                        I will answer the classics of the genre drinks


                        And on the "case" - let's start our discussion with you on raising the retirement age in Russia negative
                        Initial data:
                        1. There is a President of Russia who has repeatedly stated that while he is president of Russia, raising the retirement age will NOT
                        2. If a person has lied once - on a large scale - can one continue to believe him?
                      3. DVR
                        DVR 3 July 2020 13: 49
                        0
                        1. There is a President of Russia who has repeatedly stated that while he is president of Russia, raising the retirement age will NOT

                        Of course, I do not support pension reform. In my opinion, raising the retirement age is due to a number of reasons. These are economic reasons, a demographic situation, and one cannot but take into account the partially colonial status of the Russian Federation. Look at the retirement age in other countries, there are not so many of them, where the retirement age is lower than in Russia.
                        If a person has lied once - on a large scale - can one continue to believe him?
                        This he promised, EMNIP, in 2005. Of course, lying is not good, but to calculate everything for such a prospect, in my opinion, is extremely difficult. The world has changed beyond recognition during this period. Process dynamics are paradoxically unpredictable. I personally do not perceive this as a lie. As a miscalculation, an error - yes, it was not necessary to pronounce these words in 2005. And you can believe, objectively, the situation of the Russian Federation and citizens of the Russian Federation during the presidency of Putin has improved.
                        Drink less

                        Thanks for the advice, but somehow I will decide how much and with whom :)
                      4. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 3 July 2020 14: 17
                        +1
                        Do not go away from the answer, pliz, if you want to discuss honestly with me smile
                        I’m even ready to meet you - please quote when Putin actively repents to the people of Russia that his promise not to raise his retirement age was a mistake? repeat
                      5. DVR
                        DVR 3 July 2020 14: 30
                        0
                        Do not go away from the answer, pliz, if you want to discuss honestly with me

                        I answered you honestly and even point-by-point.
                        I’m even ready to meet you -

                        I do not ask to go forward, this is your solely personal matter, where do you gowink
                        quote when Putin actively repents to the people of Russia that his promise not to raise his retirement age was a mistake?

                        I don’t follow all Putin’s speeches, I have no idea if he said this or not. I see this promise in 2005 as a mistake. In fact, he deceived - this is his mistake, did not calculate the long term, said too much. I do not see anything critical in this. I already wrote all this above.
                      6. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 3 July 2020 14: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: DVR
                        Do not go away from the answer, pliz, if you want to discuss honestly with me

                        I answered you honestly and even point-by-point.
                        I’m even ready to meet you -

                        I do not ask to go forward, this is your solely personal matter, where do you gowink
                        quote when Putin actively repents to the people of Russia that his promise not to raise his retirement age was a mistake?

                        I don’t follow all Putin’s speeches, I have no idea if he said this or not. I see this promise in 2005 as a mistake. In fact, he deceived - this is his mistake, did not calculate the long term, said too much. I do not see anything critical in this. I already wrote all this above.

                        Well then, our discussion ends there hi
                        Do you know ... I am a "man of honor" ... and if we draw a parallel between Putin and a man who, having sex with a woman, promised to marry her later, and when the children appeared, he said to her, “I never know what I promised you "... That I personally think - promised to marry - get married !!! bully
                      7. DVR
                        DVR 3 July 2020 14: 48
                        0
                        Well then, our discussion ends there hi

                        All the best, thanks for communicating. hi
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 09: 53
    -4
    If the position is consonant with the anti-Russian position of the West, then it, sorry for the tautology, is anti-Russian.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 2 July 2020 10: 58
      -1
      Quote: AS Ivanov.
      If the position is consonant with the anti-Russian position of the West, then it, sorry for the tautology, is anti-Russian.

      For what reason have you arrogated to yourself the right to talk about whose position is about Russian and which is anti-Russian? In my opinion, for example, our government today conducts an anti-people and anti-Russian policy.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 11: 04
        -1
        Vika Nuland and Borya Johnson with Biden also think the same way you do. You have a good company - keep it up!
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 2 July 2020 11: 19
          -1
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Vika Nuland and Borya Johnson with Biden also think the same way you do. You have a good company - keep it up!

          What do they think? What have you undeservedly arrogated to yourself the right to label? It is completely incomprehensible from your comment. And what about Nuland and Biden at all? Did they carry out pension reform with us? Missed when Ukraine began to turn into an anti-Russian pro-Fashi state? Diesel fuel poured into the river? Domestic policy cannot be built on an endless search for external enemies.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 11: 27
            -2
            They demand exactly the same thing as you: "Putin, go away!" It was you who glued them to yourself, and I am just stating a fact.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 2 July 2020 11: 35
              -1
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              They demand exactly the same thing as you: "Putin, go away!" It was you who glued them to yourself, and I am just stating a fact.

              Yes, when you already understand that Putin or Shmutin defends this oligarchic clan of "privatizers", for me there is no difference. Therefore, "Putin-go away!" this is not my slogan. My slogans are the revision of the results of privatization, and personal responsibility for this theft, nationalization of the banking system and nationalization of sectoral enterprises.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 11: 40
                -1
                What ends the redistribution of property, tell you? And who, in their right mind and firm memory, will invest in a country where private property is so freely treated? And are you sure that nationalization is a panacea? An example of Belarus does not bother you?
              2. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 2 July 2020 11: 47
                -3
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                What ends the redistribution of property, tell you? And who, in their right mind and firm memory, will invest in a country where private property is so freely treated?

                Maybe your memory will not be so selective and you remember where this private property came from our oligarchs? Is it legally obtained? How much have you invested in, say, the Stalinist USSR? Is it necessary to compare what was built then and this hour?
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                And are you sure that nationalization is a panacea?

                No, a panacea is a change in the socio-economic formation.
              3. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 2 July 2020 11: 52
                -1
                With all due respect to Stalin, industrialization was carried out due to a sharp deterioration in the life of the population of the USSR. At the expense of the people, God forbid to live in this era. Change the economic formation? What, again, on the scoop, you did not bite them? Or are there other options?
              4. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 2 July 2020 13: 41
                +1
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                With all due respect to Stalin, industrialization was carried out due to a sharp deterioration in the life of the population of the USSR.

                What are your conclusions based on? In your opinion, the population of the USSR during industrialization lived worse than civilian life?
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                God forbid to live in this era

                And I wouldn’t refuse.
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                What, again, on the scoop, you did not bite them?

                I don’t want to write how much the USSR was more powerful than today's Russia and how much it was a more social state.
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                Or are there other options?

                What is the Stalinist USSR with its cooperatives and cooperatives, but without private ownership of the means of production you are not satisfied?
                And yes, you didn’t answer who gave you the right to label?
                Have our oligarchs obtained property legally?
                Why are you protecting them like that? What are they for you?
                Many people see another way for Russia and love it no less than yours.
              5. Vadim237
                Vadim237 2 July 2020 23: 48
                -4
                What doesn’t suit - the lack of freedom of action and their decisions, the lack of a high-tech competition, the shortage of tool materials - as a result of which the technical backwardness of the state as a whole, which the USSR demonstrated in the civilian sector and mechanical engineering when comparing it with Western manufacturers, is what kind of cooperatives and cooperatives you put into the planned economy . In a market economy there will always be millionaires, middle-class billionaires, and the poor cannot get away from it - since the whole world lives in a market economy with all its pluses and minuses, it suits the majority of the population.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 2 July 2020 08: 08
    14
    Quote: Volodin
    And, in your opinion, the first sign of the "mouthpiece of the 5th column" is a question to citizens about how citizens voted?

    No, of course, everyone has his own opinion and he is free to do what he wants, but when the site’s management purposefully and regularly conducts AGAINST against the authorities, then this suggests the development of a certain order aimed at destabilizing society ... or am I wrong?
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 2 July 2020 10: 33
      +6
      More than right, Russophobic articles and articles aimed at people who do not understand the government and global politics are published rightly as never before. Let public administration explain, and not take advantage of the lack of knowledge about governance.
  • tatra
    tatra 2 July 2020 07: 10
    +8
    And who is the "fifth column" for you? Liberators in the highest echelons of Putin's power, in the leadership of large state corporations? Or those who are unhappy with the fact that Putin, together with the liberals, are doing things to Russia and its people?
    And I refused to participate in this farce. And by the way Tereshkova was deliberately framed with a proposal to "nullify" Putin, counting on her Soviet merits, in order to "shut the mouths" of all dissatisfied "nullification" of Putin with them, and by how viciously, aggressively, rudely they behaved Putin's propagandists, who staged a frenzy against all who were against the "zeroing" of Putin, the authorities themselves have proved that they have no honest arguments for changing the Constitution.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 2 July 2020 08: 11
      +7
      Quote: tatra
      Liberasts in the highest echelons of Putin's power, in the leadership of large state-owned corporations?

      At the same time, you, as a "real communist" without a twinge of conscience, work off the money of the same liberals and even sleep peacefully laughing
      And yes ... that I did not see in your comments the already classic phrase "enemies of real communists"? laughing
  • Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 2 July 2020 07: 59
    +1
    Quote: Ros 56
    In my opinion, VO begins to turn into a shout for 5 columns.

    I agree with you. Kremlebotov and Zaputinians need to be defined exactly this way - the 5th column.
    1. Parabelum
      Parabelum 2 July 2020 15: 26
      0
      Woah, woah easy, easy. Here above, a person is outraged by hanging labels and wants to be able to express their opinion.
  • The popuas
    The popuas 2 July 2020 08: 00
    -3
    It began to transform itself after the pension "reform", and before it there was continuous "approval" hi the majority simply revised their views on the actions of GDP, so it started
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 2 July 2020 08: 14
      -2
      It is unlikely that the majority - rather, a noticeable part of actively commenting. And the majority, as can be seen from the results at the top of the page, even supports zeroing.
      1. The popuas
        The popuas 2 July 2020 08: 16
        +3
        Actively commenting, there are also non-citizens of the Russian Federation, so everything is relative.
    2. Goscha
      Goscha 2 July 2020 08: 42
      0
      Judging by the voting on the site, the majority is still deaf, blind and unconscious. This is how Podtelkov's words come to mind: “You are stupid people. Blind people. Afterwards, come to your senses, but it will be too late! ''
  • bar
    bar 2 July 2020 09: 31
    +4
    In my opinion, VO begins to turn into a shout for 5 columns.

    Just noticed it now? I’ve been writing about this for a long time, they have already mined the wax laughing
  • BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 2 July 2020 06: 46
    -4
    Well, we are waiting for the bright future! It’s good to hide behind a democratic tablet, you see, monk!
  • Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 2 July 2020 06: 46
    17
    What is most surprising is that citizens really believe that having prescribed in the Constitution that morning is morning, night is night, then everything will change radically from July 2, that long-awaited paradise will come: salaries will rise, roads will appear and tp fantasies. In Russia, where the basic law has never been respected by anyone, even by the first person, it suddenly starts to work?
  • Vitalich57
    Vitalich57 2 July 2020 06: 51
    0
    Quote: Ros 56
    In my opinion, VO begins to turn into a shout for 5 columns.

    Similarly, VO does not turn, but has long become ........ but despite the yapping from under the gateway, common sense has won. Let them continue to poison, they paid for it
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 2 July 2020 07: 48
      +3
      Quote: Vitalich57
      common sense won.

      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 2 July 2020 10: 45
        +2
        Shuvalov is no longer in the government ... Kudrin too ...
        1. Parabelum
          Parabelum 2 July 2020 15: 27
          +1
          So the pictures then remained
  • RUS96
    RUS96 2 July 2020 06: 55
    +2
    Here is the database of who, where and how much voted. Not how (this is the secret of the vote), namely where, what time. Why not put this info in the personal account of the State Service. That you could go in and check.
    Why they don’t do it, the answer is simple. Many people would be surprised at where and what time they voted, and many would be surprised at all that they went to vote.
    So just ***, of course, no one wants to. I will repeat the thought, which I already said here
    We do not take power from us then to give it back, especially in elections of some kind.
    Including what kind of numbers you need, such and draw
  • Alexander Dolgov
    Alexander Dolgov 2 July 2020 06: 59
    +5
    Many acquaintances voted "FOR" in the same way. There is someone against. Why are you shedding tears here. This constitution is just plain paper. The USSR also had WHAT? Saved?
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 2 July 2020 07: 46
      -7
      Quote: Alexander Dolgov
      This constitution is plain paper.

      Why then voted? The bosses scold?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 July 2020 15: 37
        -2
        Of course, the bosses scold - it’s everywhere, throughout Russia, it monitors all its employees online 24 hours a day, that they sign where they go, for whom they vote, and so on. Straight clairvoyants and level 100 telepaths.
  • Moonsund
    Moonsund 2 July 2020 07: 03
    0
    As in the wonderful film "Kill the Dragon", through the mouth of Yankovsky: "now everything is just beginning." Now the dragon has grown and matured completely. And by its very nature, it will devour and bend the backs of the townspeople, in servile bows. For he is called to guard his untold riches. For you are a resource and food for him. I hope the allegory is clear to all indifferent comrades, who for some reason decided that the best solution is not to participate? Not everything will be very good, for ordinary people
    1. Rubi0
      Rubi0 2 July 2020 07: 32
      -1
      According to the number of bloggers living in the heart of the capital and Moscow, the city has, then ordinary people taking video clips about all kinds of nonsense as they ate slept all well, do not worry so much for everyone
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 2 July 2020 07: 44
      -5
      Quote: Moonsund
      what's the best solution, don't get involved

      Exactly. For the dragon on the side is your "no". It is important for the dragon that you play by its rules. And your appearance in the circus will be waving jelly nightingales for another two weeks.
  • Fungus
    Fungus 2 July 2020 07: 07
    -3
    The people of Russia sent the American constitution! Fine good
    1. DVR
      DVR 2 July 2020 07: 46
      13
      The people of Russia sent the American constitution! Fine

      And with the embassy of the mattresses it was generally cool. Well troll in response to the LGBT flag

      YOUR WAS ... BECOMES OUR!
  • parusnik
    parusnik 2 July 2020 07: 09
    +1
    Okay, thank God it ended, or else they’re ready to gnaw each other’s throats, I began to repent, I rebelled, I exchanged my old for a beautiful wrapper, forgive me people, etc. .... You will exhale. Everything will be alright, I told you yesterday they said this ... laughing
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 2 July 2020 07: 22
      +1
      When nothing changes, is it good or not good?
      The amendments, in fact, are about nothing, because they confirmed that it was possible and needed to be done that way.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 2 July 2020 07: 53
        0
        When nothing changes
        ... called stability laughing
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 2 July 2020 08: 06
          0
          Oh, that stability.
          A lot can be called places in which stability, I really do not want to be enthusiastic.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 2 July 2020 11: 00
            +1
            Come on ... the main thing: sausage, toilet paper, imported clothes, imported gadgets and everything else is there, even freedom is there ... People are happy, there are 400 more amendments there ... Life is getting better, more fun ... smile
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 2 July 2020 11: 18
              -2
              It is from these amendments that there is nothing. In general, I see no reason for such a heated discussion.
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 2 July 2020 11: 39
                +1
                Well, people are glad .. Don’t stop people from being mistaken. They were mistaken in the 90s when they put themselves on their knees, and now they are in another, that they were lifted from their knees ... They are happy.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 2 July 2020 12: 30
                  -2
                  Much is involved, different, the suspension is not transparent, it turned out, by simple, the turbidity is complete. To understand this batch .... in short, it would be necessary more carefully.
    2. Woodman
      Woodman 2 July 2020 08: 48
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      , thank God ended, otherwise they’re ready to cut each other’s throats,

      In less than a week, another reason will appear and everything will start anew.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 2 July 2020 10: 54
        0
        It won’t start .... Everything is already guaranteed ... as many as 400 amendments! ... In the US Constitution for more than 300 years, only 16 ... for example ... Life is just beginning ... Before that, everything was bad from -for the pro-American Constitution, and now having thrown off the American yoke, what changes await in a positive sense ... Why bite ...?
        1. Woodman
          Woodman 2 July 2020 10: 58
          +4
          Quote: parusnik
          Will not start .... Everything is already guaranteed.

          Come on ... Already about the beginning, about the temple for example.
          Quote: parusnik
          US Constitution for 300+ years

          Until the 300th anniversary, they are still half a century old. And they also have blacks rebelling - they probably require amendments laughing
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 2 July 2020 11: 35
            +1
            Well, a typo ... instead of 200, 300 I wrote ... So in any case, they made 200 for 16 years .. we 400 for 30 years ... This is the same indicator ... Caught up and overtaken .... So otherwise, we’ll definitely overtake ... Thank God we are not blacks, we do not demand anything ... they all give us, even amendments ... communism ..
            1. Woodman
              Woodman 2 July 2020 11: 39
              +5
              Quote: parusnik
              .So anyway, they contributed for 200 years 16 .. we 400 for 30 years ..

              Yeah. You count how many Constitutions themselves have had during these two hundred years.
        2. DVR
          DVR 2 July 2020 13: 18
          +2
          In the US Constitution for more than 300 years, only 16 ... so for example ...

          The United States did not lose the Cold War and was not in the status of a colony.
  • Olegi1
    Olegi1 2 July 2020 07: 10