Instead of Russian: new engines will strengthen Chinese transport

Since the outbreak of the COVID-19 epidemic, Chinese Yun-20 transport aircraft have repeatedly carried out missions abroad, constantly transporting medical supplies to Pakistan, Thailand and other countries. He recently made his first flight to Russia to deliver a PLA honor guard to participate in a military parade on Red Square. According to the PRC, Yun-20 in the future will significantly increase the combat effectiveness of the PLA troops.

According to the publication of China Military, modern warfare is characterized by the extension of war zones. In this regard, the value of the rapid reaction forces, which must be transported over long distances, sharply increases. In this situation, heavy transport aircraft cannot be dispensed with, whose overall combat effectiveness ultimately depends on their performance characteristics.

Currently, the Yun-20 has a maximum take-off weight of 220 tons and a maximum load capacity of 66 tons. The speed of the Yun-20 is more than three times the speed of high-speed rail trains and more than 20 times that of maritime transport. He can assemble troops into a single fist as soon as possible.

As military expert Chen Hong explained, the aircraft has the potential for further development. According to him, Yun-20 is currently equipped with Russian D-30KP-2 engines. At the same time, he expects that in the future they will be replaced by WS-20, a new generation of domestic reactive power plants capable of providing more than 15 tons of thrust (D-30KP-2 has 12 kgf on take-off mode).

Comments

[Jack O'Neill]

Beautiful litak.

[mitroha]

Loud title for the sake of this phrase:

However, he expects that in the future they will be replaced by WS-20 - domestic

That's all the news.
Gorgeous.
I can do the same:
"Russia will land on Mars" - the Russian expert believes that in the future Russia will create a base on Mars. How do you like that, Elon Musk ?.
WHo are you going?

[Alex777]

VO is looking for authors. Sign up. Correct the situation.

[mitroha]

I understand that I do not have time for this. Therefore, I do not strive to do this. But the absence of authors is not a reason to pour such "news", God forgive me

[Thrifty]

I look at Chinese technology, but I see either ours or American, for some reason ...

[orionvitt]

But I look, and I see the handsome AN-70 spilled out, only with turbojet engines. Not at all like an American.

[kpd]

The tail assembly designed explicitly with the C-17A Globemaster, so that the features of the American there just visible.

[Alex777]

History of creation
The technical proposal of the aircraft was prepared in accordance with the contract (Agreement with AVIC II No. 808/2003 dated 20.12.2003) concluded by the Ukrainian Antonov with the Chinese state aircraft-building corporation AVIC-II on December 20, 2003, and which essentially became the starting point in the creation of Y -20. The preliminary design of the TTS is quite consistent with the current final appearance of the Y-20, differing only in the proposal for engines - instead of the Russian D-30KP-2 currently used, it was supposed to use the Chinese FWS10-118 engines, which are still under development (September 2016). The performance characteristics of the TTS preliminary project are also clearly somewhat more optimistic than the current characteristics of the Y-20. Also on the Y-20 there is no flap blower proposed in the TTS out-project engine in the style of the American C-17A.

Xian Y-20 is designed for operation at various types of airfields and is capable of transporting most PLA combat and auxiliary vehicles.
The aircraft has been developed since 2006. January 26, 2013 the first flight of the first prototype Y-20. December 14, 2013 a second prototype took to the sky. In June 2016, the first two Y-20s were handed over for trial operation in the PRC Air Force.

All prototypes are equipped with Russian D-30KP-2 engines. However, production planes according to the plan should be equipped with their own WS-18 turbofan engine with a higher (122 kN versus 117 kN) thrust than the D-30KP-2. Nevertheless, in 2016 it became known about the contract for the supply of a large batch of D-30KP2 to China.

[TermNachTer]

Considering that Banderland sold everything that he could to the Chinese, I would not be surprised that there were a lot of An-70s in this miracle airplane. We would also sell engines, but the gearbox with blades was made by the Stupinsky Plant. They could not sell it.

[Ros 56]

And how many times does one train exceed the mass of cargo transported by plane, I am already silent about cargo ships. And fuel efficiency issues arise.

[Dmitry Makarov]

The Chinese seem to have squeezed out the Hakhlov Motorsich, now they themselves will be able to produce copies of Russian aircraft engines.

[Thrifty]

They flew with Motorsich, for the strengthening of the Chinese aviation industry is clearly not at hand! So, their surname is Mu-hi-ni now!

[Nasrat]

Quote: Thrifty

They flew with Motorsich, for the strengthening of the Chinese aviation industry is clearly not at hand! So, their surname is Mu-hi-ni now!

And how many specialists from Ukraine are there !!!

[Dmitry Makarov]

The Chinese got all the technology, exported the line and qualified specialists.
And the Americans have nothing to do with it, just working in modern Ukraine is not realistic.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Dmitry Makarov

themselves will be able to produce copies of Russian aircraft engines

If "Motor Sich", then not Russian, but Soviet.

[TermNachTer]

Not quite yet, mattress covers are not allowed. And Motor cannot offer the Chinese in this particular segment anything. D - 436, not quite that, but nothing else.

[Eug]

They may offer to remodel two D-18s if they pull in reliability. They did MS, and Russia will sell all Russian components.

[TermNachTer]

I'm afraid that the new D - 18, "Motor" will not pull it. We only convert the old capital into a new profile. The last new D - 18 was in the late 90s.

[Eug]

If there is an interest in engines (and it seems to be) and participation from Russia, it is possible that they will pull it. The transfer of the production site to China removed the obstacle in the form of Ukrainian-Russian relations. As for me, a lot depends on the resource and condition of the Ross engines. Ruslanov.

[TermNachTer]

The problem is that competencies are lost. Not all equipment is already there, people have left. The factory is in a very difficult situation.

[Mountain shooter]

Motor Sich "smiled" at the Chinese ... with the turbojet engine they still (so far) are not very successful. Even Russian copies have a much smaller resource (several times) ... Persistent and hardworking - of course, they will achieve their goal. However, the question is WHEN? When we see them on airplanes, and they confirm their resource and efficiency, I will applaud the first ... It will be a really great achievement. And writing about it - the paper will endure everything ... (Display)

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

However, the question is WHEN?

Apparently, then, when the corpses of a tiger and an elephant swim by the clever monkey sitting on the shore.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Paranoid50

Apparently, then, when the corpses of a tiger and an elephant swim by the clever monkey sitting on the shore.

You wanted to say - a bear? So he nafig, is not going to pinch this WHITE EAGLE ... striped ... winged ... He himself will not understand his nest. Is it head painted in black?
Whether to buy ventilators ...
So the cunning ... monkey can get old while waiting.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

a bear?

An old Chinese parable that while a tiger and an elephant figured out who is cooler, a smart monkey was sitting on a tree. And when they hit each other and fell dead, she got off the tree and became the emperor of animals. And Lao Tzu called for him to sit quietly on the shore and wait until the enemy’s corpse swims. These wisdom echoes, and the compilation turned out such a comment here. Only the fact is that in modern realities a "smart monkey" with such tactics risks slipping past the cash register, and would rather die on a tree (or on the shore) of hunger than wait for the expected result, and world domination would be stupidly played out without it

[Free wind]

The American is obvious, only the engines look a little different. And as the Chinese came to us with weapons, we have no entry with weapons. The same biathletes have problems. The same hunters do not want to go to us, they do not want to hunt with other people's weapons.

[Alex777]

Antonov was developing this aircraft.

[Sahalinets]

I doubt that their new engines will be better than the PS-90A. And the D-30 is yesterday.

[Vlad Malkin]

The Chinese work!

[Zaurbek]

In general, it was originally necessary to design and install the PS90 and simultaneously make the Chinese turbojet engine. PS90 alternative will give the aircraft new opportunities.

[Alex777]

The development of the aircraft in 2003 began. in 2013 the first flew.
What engines gave - they took.

In the 1990s, when the Perm Motors JSC was corporatized, the State Property Committee of the Russian Federation under the leadership of P. Mostovoy decided that it would be inappropriate to finance the PS-90 project. From 1996 to 2001, not a single new engine was delivered. However, renewed orders from the operators in the 2000s, including the oil and gas industry, kept the project afloat.

[DEVIL LIFE'S]

Is there a mistake in the last sentence? Where is the thrust of the Russian engine indicated 12 kgf?

[Sarcasm]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Motor Sich "smiled" at the Chinese ... with the turbojet engine they still (so far) are not very successful. Even Russian copies have a much smaller resource (several times) ... Persistent and hardworking - of course, they will achieve their goal. However, the question is WHEN? When we see them on airplanes, and they confirm their resource and efficiency, I will applaud the first ... It will be a really great achievement. And writing about it - the paper will endure everything ... (Display)

The Chinese seem to have been able to overcome the technological barrier with modern engines, it’s even difficult to copy them, having received the same resource and reliability, and for a long time the Chinese did not succeed, but they could. First of all, domestic engines went to fighter jets. And then it will be all like a snowball - on the rise. It was necessary to accumulate and accumulate experience, cadres to grow new, needed a change of generations, everything happened. So you won’t have to wait long.

[Vlad.by]

So what, after all, is the resource of those engines that “could”?
And what kind of Chinese engine, which they “were able” to copy-paste and provide an acceptable one, do you mean?