“Stay away”: Syrian MiG-29 will not save from Israeli attacks, Forbes believes

The upgraded MiG-29 fighter jets, which the Syrian Air Force received from Russia, can improve their outdated fleet. However, their appearance is unlikely to save Syria from ongoing Israeli air strikes.

This opinion is expressed by Forbes, operating on the statements of Damascus and Moscow on the transfer of two batches of advanced MiG-29s. At the same time, doubts are expressed whether these “premises” were really intended for Bashar al-Assad, and not for Khalif Haftar.

According to the publication, if the planes replenished the Syrian fleet, then this would be a good help for the local air fleetwho "is extremely tired and in poor condition after nearly a decade of war and countless bombing raids across the country."

But even if Syria received a new and upgraded MiG-29, these aircraft are unlikely to prevent Israel, which enjoys relative impunity, from continuing to carry out air strikes.

- writes Forbes, indicating that the IDF during the entire time of the bombing lost only one fighter. And then the pilot made a “professional mistake”, which turned out to be luck for the Syrian air defense.

The MiG-29 will not be saved even by the very formidable R-77 air-to-air missiles attached to them - the Russian equivalent of the American AIM-120 AMRAAM. In this case, the opinion of the British military expert Justin Bronk is given. According to him, Israeli aircraft have much more modern and sophisticated equipment, weapons systems and defensive means, "than their Syrian counterparts," and the pilots have better training.

Even if they [MiG-29] are equipped with the R-77, I would advise the Syrian crews: stay away from Israeli fighters!

- summarizes Bronk.

Comments

[Alexey from Perm]

Whoever "saw" whom earlier on the radar has an advantage, here is the answer, which is better in modern warfare - stealth or super-maneuverability. Although, of course, there is some bravado. And only real combat use will dot the i's, while Syria is just a boy for beating the Israeli Air Force, but Russia is an outside observer, occasionally turning into a victim.

[Shurik70]

After their plane was shot down, Israel does not enter Syrian airspace.
From abroad rockets hammer. And drones sends.

[snucerist]

Doesn’t enter, then ...
Syria and Iran from this easier?
Or does it affect the accuracy of Israeli strikes?

[NIKN]

they’re unlikely to interfere with Israel, enjoying relative impunitycontinue to strike

Not until they just yet, Syria has enough problems without them ... Well, sour cream when it ends ...

[Shurik70]

Quote: snucerist

Doesn’t enter, then ...
Syria and Iran from this easier?
Or does it affect the accuracy of Israeli strikes?

Syrian planes have no chance to meet with an Israeli plane. If only with a drone, but those and the ancient fighter will bring down.
So the title of the article "stay away" is meaningless

[tikhonov66]

Doesn’t enter, then ...
Syria and Iran from this easier?

- well, that means Syria and Iran - it's also time to check the "accuracy of their strikes"
- "without entering, it means" - to the territory of Israel ...

Whoever "without entering" will come to them - from "not entering" - and will perish.

[Shurik70]

Israel has enough air defense. And a well-functioning civilian warning system, with a dense network of bomb shelters.
And regular fire from Hezbollah keeps air defense fighters in good shape.
A few separate missiles will not overcome air defense.
A zerg rush attack can penetrate - several hundred missiles launched simultaneously. Only expensive missiles will not be spent on such a volley, and uncontrollable cheap stuff will senselessly hit civilian quarters. Empty neighborhoods. The destruction will be rebuilt quickly.
Except that hide a few heavy homing missiles inside such a salvo. Here you can succeed.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Shurik70

After their plane was shot down, Israel does not enter Syrian airspace.
From abroad rockets hammer. And drones sends.

He visited more than once - the bombing of the Syrian-Iraqi border was done from the territory of Syria. F-16 was shot down over the territory of Israel.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Krasnodar

He visited more than once

until they shot down.

Quote: Krasnodar

F-16 was shot down over the territory of Israel.

shot down over Syria, fell in Israel.

[Krasnodar]

No, the attack was conducted from the territory of Israel))
Once again - Syria was bombed over its territory many times after the incident - count, at a minimum, the bombing of the Syrian-Iraqi border. You won’t bomb from any third country. From the sea too

[Sanichsan]

once again, was shot down over Syria. it is even Israel admitted that they did not calculate and entered the airspace of Syria.

[Krasnodar]

I read another))
By the way, the very next day, the Israelis attacked 12 Iranian and Syrian targets.

[Sanichsan]

again from the territory of neighboring states.
Above correctly noted that the Jews are not beaten only because Putin did not allow. we don’t get into a fight between Israel and Hesbullah and Iran, they don’t interfere with us in Syria. naturally, not everything went smoothly. let’s recall the downed plane of the Russian Federation ... but in the end Syria appeared C300 which clearly hint that if you go to bed again they will fall on the territory of neighboring countries. By the way, Israel understood everything correctly.

[Krasnodar]

Then how do you explain the attacks on the Syrian-Iraqi border after the supply of S-300 to Syria?
Air defense in Syria - focal. AWACS - no. At ultra-low altitudes, S-300s see a plane only from a distance of 30-40 km from their location. Therefore, Israeli attacks continue both from the territory of neighboring countries and from the territory of Syria to this day

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Krasnodar

Therefore, Israeli attacks continue both from the territory of neighboring countries and from the territory of Syria to this day

and when was the last time Israel attacked from Syria? your fantasies are becoming more intrusive

[Krasnodar]

on the night of January 10, 2020, unidentified aircraft attacked the positions of pro-Iranian armed formations in the area of ​​the city of Al-Bukamal on the Syrian-Iraqi border. At least eight militants of the Al-Hashd al-Shaabi militia were killed. It is noted that those killed were not Syrians. Information on losses and damage caused is being clarified. Lebanese TV channel Al-Mayadin, associated with Hezbollah, claims it was an Israeli Air Force attack. According to the TV channel, a truck with weapons on its way from Iraq to Syria was destroyed. SOHR claims a massive attack that hit vehicles and weapons depots.

At the same time, SOHR reports that it has information that in recent days there have been repeated strikes against military targets in the Al-Bukamal area. So on January 9, unknown planes attacked targets in the area of ​​the settlements of Al-Jalaa and Al-Abbas, near Al-Bukamal. On January 8, unidentified planes attacked targets in the village of Al-Majaud, near Al-Bukamal, where pro-Iranian militias are stationed. At the same time, it was noticed that on January 8, in the Al-Sambli area, near Al-Bukamal, there was a transfer of heavy weapons and armored vehicles from the pro-Iranian militias to the Lebanese Hezbollah.

May 4th. A blow was struck at a pro-Iranian police facility in the al-Mayadin desert (Dir al-Zur governorate), on the Syrian-Iraqi border. According to SOHR, 14 Iranians and Iraqis were killed.

May 4th. A military research center was attacked in the province of Aleppo, in the area of ​​As-Safir. Damascus accused Israel.

27th of June. Unidentified aircraft attacked objects of the Syrian army and pro-Iranian police in the village of Al-Abbas near the city of Al-Bukamal. According to SOHR, at least six people were killed as a result of the Israeli Air Force attack.

This is a short sample for this year only. The last attack of al-Bukamal, located on the border of Syria with Iraq, took place five days ago

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Krasnodar

This is a short sample for this year only.

short sample of what?
do you read with difficulty? or google in Hebrew began to translate crookedly?
okay .. try to repeat and highlight in bold. can you understand the meaning of what is written ...
we don’t get into a fight between Israel and Hesbullah and Iran; they don’t interfere with us in Syria.
is it clear or not?
I wrote somewhere that Israel does not strike in Syria? not. you are not able to read or understand?
we pass to the second stage of training ...
re-read what you posted here ...
1)

on the night of January 10, 2020 unidentified aircraft attacked positions pro-Iranian militias

2)

On January 8, unknown planes attacked targets in the village of Al-Majaud, near Al-Bukamal, where Pro-Iranian militias stationed.

3)

May 4th. Object hit pro-Iranian police in the mayan desert

4)

27th of June. Unidentified aircraft attacked targets of the Syrian army and pro-Iranian police in the village of Al-Abbas near the city of Al-Bukamal.

so, In which of these messages did you give an example of the fact that Israeli planes flew into Syria?
get together! concentrate your mental abilities. read the asked question and try to answer it, and not post another nonsense related to the question.

[Krasnodar]

Don’t be so nervous, it’s impossible to strike from the territory of a third country on the aforementioned object on the Syrian-Iraqi border

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Krasnodar

it is impossible to strike from the territory of a third country on the aforementioned object on the Syrian-Iraqi border

doo? you want to say that Iraq is not the third country? specify the second or fourth?
I asked you to concentrate your mental abilities
although there is still territory controlled by the masters of Israel, the United States .. could fly there, but this territory is not now controlled by the Syrian army and this does not change the essence of the matter.
and! there is still from neutral spaces above the sea loving to shoot .. well, this is also not the territory of Syria ..
try again

[Krasnodar]

:
1) Look at the map and imagine how to fly over Jordan and Iraq, then bomb and return to Israel, and most importantly, why. And most importantly, completely without a pale))
2) The United States, of course, the masters of Israel - from the Jewish lobby in the Senate and Congress to the family of the President of the United States Not to mention the payment of the American election by a friend of Natanyahu Trump and a certain Tel Aviv Clintonshe.
3) Look on the map the distance from the sea to the Syrian-Iraqi border. Learn the geography. )))

[Sanichsan]

I see the dependence on the US hurt you Israel will be devoured without American funding, unless of course it has time to find a new owner but don’t worry. Of course, Israel will not perish. if there is no American support, then Israel will quickly fall under Russia you yourself remember how the Israeli establishment cheerfully shuttled to Moscow after a downed plane .... how many are there? month sat below the grass, quieter than water?

Quote: Krasnodar

Look at the map and imagine how to fly over Jordan and Iraq, then bomb and return to Israel, and most importantly, why. And most importantly, completely without a pale))

Of course without a pale. what fawn when about all the operations carried out over Syria, Israel reports to the Russian headquarters in Syria.

[Krasnodar]

1) It’s not hurt, it’s just funny when a person far from the topic says something about the financial dependence of a state that has nuclear weapons, whose GDP is five times less than the Russian one with 15 times less population and the absence of oil from anyone
2) The establishment is the head of the Air Force, explaining to his Russian counterpart that his subordinates took civilian air traffic to Cyprus for the barrage of Israeli F-16s and sent a turbo-propeller plane to someone else’s air defense battle? Well, the month of the absence of Israeli bombing of Syria is also an achievement, who argues. This is as much as 30 (!) Days.
3) That's right - now we are flying over Jordan, then flying to Iraq, from there we will ... have already hit the Iranians, and now we are returning home through Iraq, now Jordan, and here is the landing ... thanks for your attention

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Krasnodar

It didn’t hurt, it’s just funny when a person far from the topic says something about the dependence of a state that has nuclear weapons, whose GDP is five times less than the Russian one and 15 times less population and the absence of oil from anyone laughing

yeah .. the country all its history dependent on the support of one superpower (created with the support of the USSR), then another (with the support of the United States victory in the 6-day war), boast of their greatness really funny
the fact is that Israel needs to make every effort not to quarrel with Russia, and for Russia it is just another player in the Middle East

Quote: Krasnodar

The establishment is the head of the Air Force, explaining to his Russian counterpart that his subordinates mistook civilian air traffic to Cyprus for the barrage of Israeli F-16s and sent a turbo-propeller plane to someone else’s air defense battle? Well, the month of the absence of Israeli bombing of Syria is also an achievement, who argues. This is as much as 30 (!) Days.

someone for the stream of consciousness ??? I'm talking about a Russian reconnaissance aircraft by which Israeli pilots hid from a Syrian missile.
and yes, they sat quietly for a month until Russia allowed them to butt with the Iranians further. Well, the C300 did to the Syrians, which the Israelis really did not want, but had to swallow

Quote: Krasnodar

3) That's right - now we are flying over Jordan, then flying to Iraq, from there we will ... have already hit the Iranians, and now we are returning home through Iraq, now Jordan, and here is the landing ... thanks for your attention

OU! and there are no American airbases in Iraq, and Israeli aviation doesn’t use them at all? no no! never!
what is interesting is the US air base Ain al-Assad in western Iraq occurat near al-Bukamal ...

[Krasnodar]

1) Stalin supported the British, during the 6-day war, the Americans supported Jordan, the USSR - Egypt and Syria. What is Israel's greatness? Stupidly provides its citizens a tolerable level of security, medicine and income - where is he to the great superpowers? )))
2) So I’m talking about the Russian turboprop aircraft, which the military with the Khmeimim CP entered into an alien battle, and about the plane hiding from the Syrian missile - this can be told to men far from the army. They give up.
And, in principle, it’s right - you need to deal with your subordinates quietly, without taking rubbish out of the hut. By the way, it’s good that Russia allowed Israel to bomb Syria. Could not be allowed. As an option
3) Used daily - Iraqis approve. After all, the Syrian anti-aircraft gunners can not shoot down aircraft bombing their country, located over the territory of another country - conscience does not allow.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Krasnodar

Stupidly provides its citizens a tolerable level of security, medicine and income - where is he to the great superpowers? )))

I agree with that

Quote: Krasnodar

And, in principle, it’s right - you need to deal with your subordinates quietly, without taking rubbish out of the hut. By the way, it’s good that Russia allowed Israel to bomb Syria. Could not be allowed. As an option

It was possible, as well as the Turks, but the point? Hazbal are the same friends for Russia as for the Palestinians for Israel. Russia is interested in the stability of the power of the Syrian government loyal to Russia, and in general this task has been completed. support for hesbola was not included in the Russian plans; these are your graters with Iran.

Quote: Krasnodar

Used daily - Iraqis approve.

and someone asks them? Lebanese probably very approving when Israel shoots from their territory?
The Iraqis recently demanded the withdrawal of American troops, so what? brought out? or patted on the cheek and said "well done!"

Quote: Krasnodar

After all, the Syrian anti-aircraft gunners can not shoot down aircraft bombing their country, located over the territory of another country - conscience does not allow.

is this news for you? well, OK...

[Krasnodar]

1) Here. We came to understand - Israel is not a fig, not a superpower, and even, only between us, has never claimed such a role
2) And what was forbidden to the Turks not to send troops into Idlib?
3) Iraqis do not decide anything. But if at least one Israeli plane was in Iraq, there would be a howl all over the world, with attempts to shell the American embassy
3) Yes, I thought that they have everything like in the army - the neutralization of the source of fire in case of threat of the protected area. But it’s like it - purely pioneers, scouts, combatants ...

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Krasnodar

2) And what was forbidden to the Turks not to send troops into Idlib?

yes, there the sultan got into a fool and started firing cannons after the Turkish military was covered with terrorists .. they called from the headquarters of the Russian troops and said not to shoot, and you know what's interesting, the Turks stopped shooting unlike the hesballah, with the sultan, Russia has serious projects. he is certainly hot, but, in principle, negotiable ...

Quote: Krasnodar

Iraqis do not decide anything. But if at least one Israeli plane was in Iraq, there would be a howl all over the world, with attempts to shell the American embassy

oh, I beg you the same! Well, what a howl? they have fun there and without stories about who flies to the American base enough. they have no access there even close. there is too much democracy for an ordinary Iraqi!

Quote: Krasnodar

Yes, I thought that they have everything like in the army - the neutralization of the source of fire in case of threat of the protected area. But it’s like it - purely pioneers, scouts, combatants ...

rather, bonded people. while the freemen were pumping the whole country ... in 2015 came to Russia and helped to return most of it, but now they decide where to shoot and where not to shoot at the headquarters of the Russian troops in Khmeimim. Syrians are in no position to engage in amateur activities
By the way, before the story of the plane, and Israel, the Syrians beat the Syrians on the Israelis, but after the regulations were settled. now the Syrians do not shoot at Israel, and Israel only at hezbollah. maybe I missed something, but it seems like that.

[Krasnodar]

yes, there the sultan got into a fool and started firing cannons after the Turkish military was covered with terrorists .. they called from the headquarters of the Russian troops and said not to shoot, and you know what’s interesting, the Turks stopped shooting wink, unlike the hesballah, with the sultan Russian serious projects. he is certainly hot, but, in principle, negotiable ...

And left the occupied Syrian territory? In my opinion, everything was simpler there - the Turks repulsed Assad’s attempt to return their lands.

oh, I beg you the same! laughing well, what a howl? they have fun there and without stories about who flies to the American base enough. they have no access there even close. there is too much democracy for an ordinary Iraqi! laughing

Of course not. And the planes are not visible. Their identification marks too. Ali Israelis disguise their flying under the American, so as not to fall under the S-300?

rather, bonded people. while the freemen were pumping the whole country ... in 2015 came to Russia and helped to return most of it, but now they decide where to shoot and where not to shoot at the headquarters of the Russian troops in Khmeimim. Syrians are not in the position to engage in amateur request

Not so - the plane flies on midget in the same Lebanon, before the attack puts interference and makes a candle. All seconds. While the interference is being cleaned, it fires back, goes over the mountains or again to ultra-small ones (it can also put up interference of the "many aircraft" type) and again is not visible to anyone - neither the S-200 nor the S-300. And it can only be seen by AWACS planes, which Syria does not have, and also by special over-the-horizon radars, which Syria also does not have.

By the way, before the story of the plane, and Israel, the Syrians beat the Syrians on the Israelis, but after the regulations were settled. now the Syrians do not shoot at Israel, and Israel only at hezbollah. maybe I missed something, but it seems like that.

Not so - the Israelis always return fire at the sources of fire, no matter in which territory they are located, the Syrians always fire at Israeli planes bombing their country, they are responding to beating at Syrian air defense.

[Sanichsan]

understandably... Super duper Israeli Aviation All Victory !!!
keep believing success

[Krasnodar]

Thank you - I believe the facts

[Sanichsan]

the main thing is not illusions awkwardly come out like in 1984

[Krasnodar]

What about 1984?

[Sanichsan]

Soviet air defense in Syria. 1983-1984 shot down 2 French, 4 Israeli and 21 American aircraft.
all! forget! I didn't write you anything. believe in "facts"!

[Krasnodar]

This was a blow that finally landed the Air Force of France, Israel, and especially the United States forever, knocked the imperialist vultures and their Zionist sixes from the peaceful skies of the Middle East forever. Never again cut off by the law of Moses, the Gallic hand under a star-striped flag dared not press the reset button of cluster bombs flying into the peaceful cities of Lebanese and Syrians ...

[Sanichsan]

not forever, but the place indicated it’s true that some people have short memories and will have to pay for it again with the lives of Israeli pilots .. but they’re also military to pay for the ambitions of politicians with their lives right?

[Krasnodar]

Of course indicated
1983 - bombardment by Israeli vultures of Shiite freedom fighters in the Baal Beck Valley
1984 - Baal Beck again - this time the IRGC bombed there
1985 - Abu Musa headquarters bombed in Lebanon
1986 - Vultures over Lebanon bring down a peaceful jet Golf Stream
1986 - over Zidon (Lebanon), Israel loses the Phantom plane due to a pilot error - the navigator is captured by Amal
1988 - Lebanon bombed again
1989 - Lebanon bombed again
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The Israelites have a very short memory - and they don’t know their place

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Krasnodar

The Israelites have a very short memory - and they don’t know their place

so I do not argue with this short .. cropped probably
the fact that Israel is playing with the Arabs in its sandbox somehow doesn't harm Russia yet.
look Maksimka, Israel fired at hezbollah, the Syrians shot down part of the missiles with their air defense, from whom the Syrians will buy new missiles for their air defense?
Israel gouged the Syrian Pantsyr, from whom Assad will buy a new Pantsyr? a Jew must understand

[Krasnodar]

Syrians can’t afford to buy beach packages now , weapons are being delivered, as always, for free I’m silent about prestige, which affects subsequent sales, but it’s already a matter of big uncles - is it worth it to spend money on the Syrian army when the income of its own population is comparable to that in the homeland of Maxim, an African boy who fell into the Russian fleet.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Krasnodar

Syrians can’t afford to buy beach packages now from the military, weapons are being delivered, as always, for free

How interesting? oil is a freebie? and then the United States clings to it in Syria? a freebie!

Quote: Krasnodar

I’m silent about prestige, but it’s already a matter of big uncles - is it worth it to spend money on the Syrian army, when the income of their own population is comparable to that in the homeland of Maxim, an African boy who fell into the Russian fleet.

Well, the Israeli won how much they are tucking into the army, despite the fact that in Israel there are enough beggars ... and here is oil and a base in the Middle East .. solid profit and orders for the military-industrial complex. Well, combat experience and a great training ground

or did you decide to sing a song about the terrible redhead that is fighting at the expense of the Russians in Syria? Oh! excuse me will not interfere this bullshit does not work, but you continue

[Krasnodar]

]How interesting? oil is a freebie? what then what is it that the USA clings to it in Syria? a freebie!Is this oil in Assad’s hands? They cling so as not to pay Kurds and other SSAs from the pocket of their taxpayer.
Well, the Israeli won how many people are tucking into the army, despite the fact that there are enough rogue people in Israel ... wink An Israeli rogue living on a minimum wage of 110 thousand rubles a month, taking into account prices twice as high as in the Russian Federation, lives as a Russian who receives 55 thousand rubles a month - i.e. more than average. Russian. Plus consumer loans up to 9%, plus mortgages at 2,5%. Plus, treatment of something serious in 99,9% of cases does not need to go abroad - World-class medicine.
and here is oil and a base in the Middle East .. solid profit and orders for the military-industrial complex. Well, combat experience and a great training ground wink
Presence in the Mediterranean - yes. Oil - there are tears, does not reach a billion tanks a year, EMNIP, and is in the hands of the Americans for the most part, military experience in the fight against irregular military formations - yes, and most importantly - drank Russian-speaking barmaley at distant frontiers and the impact on oil prices by military intervention on one side or another of the BV sandbox
PS] Why is the terrible Red - an excellent taxation policy, a large market, etc.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Krasnodar

An Israeli rogue living on a minimum wage of 110 thousand rubles a month, taking into account prices twice as high as in the Russian Federation, lives as a Russian who receives 55 thousand rubles a month - i.e. more than average. Russian. Plus consumer loans up to 9%, plus mortgages at 2,5%.

uh! are you rubbing it to whom? to me? I have enough friends there, and without you I know how they live there acquaintances don’t live in poverty, in terms of living, it’s about the same as I live here, but they are middle class, there are some that are not middle, and they live noticeably worse than I I know firsthand. so you can use your training manual for its intended purpose! for example to smoke. anyway

Quote: Krasnodar

Plus, treatment of something serious in 99,9% of cases does not need to go abroad - World-class medicine.

about miracle israeli medicine again first-hand know a grandmother with an open craniocerebral spine will be rescued, and a man with pneumonia will be buried, without a correct diagnosis for a month as my friend a physician from Israel said, "the essence of Israeli medicine is the extraction of tonsils through the anus"

Quote: Krasnodar

and most importantly - drank Russian-speaking barmalei on the far reaches

By the way, yes

Quote: Krasnodar

and the impact on oil prices through military intervention on one side or another of the sandbox

oops! but I forgot about the elephant thank you for reminding me
it’s obvious that the game is worth the candle

[Krasnodar]

In terms of living standards - I lived in Israel for 25 years, now in Russia. And your apartment here costs from 28 million rubles, like an average Israeli, and if, God forbid, seriously, you don’t have to spend a lot of money with the Germans or Jews to get medical services free of charge for an Israeli cleaning lady, etc. d.? In addition, do not forget about the cheapness of money in Israel and their high cost in Russia. Yes, the E-box here stands like a Prius plus in Israel, but there it is available to most of the middle class, here it is not.
2) Yes, it is the Israelis who go to the Russian Federation to be treated in a crowd But on the contrary - no, I have not heard. And your familiar physician from Israel correctly said - modern medicine, it is like that. How many years did he have to retrain in Israel with his Russian diploma in order to work?
3) This is worth the trick, to arm the Syrians - no.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Krasnodar

In terms of living standards - I lived in Israel for 25 years, now in Russia.

everything is so chic, but something is back .. why would it?

Quote: Krasnodar

Yes, it is the Israelis who are going to the Russian Federation to be treated, but on the contrary - no, I haven’t heard.

straight crowd? my friend from France is going to treat a child here, for some reason not to Israel

Quote: Krasnodar

How many years did he have to retrain in Israel with his Russian diploma in order to work?

not at all kind of. he came there at military age, served, managed to burn in a tank in 2007, but still the Israeli army is the best , in the army he also learned how to be a medical assistant, but then you yourself know how it is with employment.

Quote: Krasnodar

This is worth the trouble, arming the Syrians - no.

it is you from envy! Russia has Syrians to test equipment in combat conditions, and Israel only has its own army.

[Krasnodar]

1) With the lack of class in Russia Kidding The child grew up in Russia, lived for two years in two countries, when there were three of them, he moved
2) There are many strange people. Nearby Germany, where one of the best pediatric systems in the world, and you heard about raising funds for treating children in Germany and Israel with sms. Yes, and in France, medicine is good
3) I also studied there as a medical assistant in the army. As for employment - we need to study, I didn’t finish my studies - I opened my first business, and there are simply a lot of work with no tolerant salary in it. About the best armies - do you know one where tanks are not burning?
3) The Syrians are significantly different from the Russians, and their technique is not quite the same as that of the Russian Armed Forces - so no, not training on cats))

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Krasnodar

There are many strange people. Nearby Germany, where one of the best pediatric systems in the world, and you heard about raising funds for treating children in Germany and Israel with sms. Yes, and in France, medicine is good

it’s not about strange people, but about specialists. or do you think everyone left for Israel?

Quote: Krasnodar

The Syrians are significantly different from the Russians, and their technique is not quite the same as that of the Russian Armed Forces - so no, not training on cats))

here you are completely wrong! equipment must be tested in difficult conditions, including the quality of crew training.
PS

Quote: Krasnodar

About the best armies - do you know one where tanks are not burning?

YES!
hmmm ... who has no tanks there?
but I actually a little not about I about 2007 was very doubtful in terms of achievements. drove the Bedouins having lost a bunch of equipment ... but any Israeli will prove with foam at the mouth that everyone was defeated
but I understand you ... I'm the same and the motivation is not at all that I believe in it

[Krasnodar]

1) Oh. There are good Russian doctors. They are few. Very.
2) Let's give Ferrari aunt 50 years with 5 years of driving experience and a professional racer ..
3) 2006. Participated as a reservist. Well, how did you win? The results are good in the end - the border with Lebanon, previously wild, has become very quiet, finally. No, I'm a realist. The war was stupid. In fact, we fought the last three days, before that we tried to inflict unacceptable damage on partisans without saturating the area with troops

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Krasnodar

No, I'm a realist. The war was stupid. In fact, we fought the last three days, before that we tried to inflict unacceptable damage on partisans without saturating the area with troops

now surprised! pleasantly surprised
I almost wrote you into sectarians
I'm also for realism but categorically against self-abasement

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Let's give Ferrari aunt 50 years with 5 years of driving experience and a professional racer ..

professional racers have already driven at training grounds in Russia, you just need to check on aunts, and preferably blondes and with purchased rights. we have only part of the army professional, the other part - conscripts with 1 year of service ... at best. both must cope with the technique. "foolproof" must be at a high level!
and for the sake of tests, it’s not rational to put qualified personnel into a tank in which they will shoot completely combat TOWs. Israel has nowhere to go to dismiss all around, but we have a choice

[Krasnodar]

Yes, there is no self-flagellation - there was a lot of stupidity really))
As for the testing of good weapons by the Syrians, I don’t know how justified this is in the current economic situation. Fair.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Krasnodar

As for the testing of good weapons by the Syrians, I don’t know how justified this is in the current economic situation. Fair.

Well, by whom? not to the Palestinians? and you yourself understand that it’s one thing to fire at the firing range and suck another fight, and the Syrians have one thing to do with the barmaley. im technique, us results.

[Krasnodar]

Maybe right. Just the T-90 fell into the hands of the barmaley.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Krasnodar

Maybe right. Just the T-90 fell into the hands of the barmaley.

Yes. By the way, remember who leaked two T-90 barmaley? the same hesballah perhaps between the piercing of 2 T-90 (of course they were destroyed but still not good ) and the lack of reaction to Israel’s attacks on hesball there is some connection

[Krasnodar]

Is Hezbollah? I didn’t even know that they had their own tankers. I thought that I was handed over by the Assad from the SAA
Russia there pursues other goals - to get involved in a war with Turkey or Israel over the IRGC, the territorial disputes of Syria or the Iranian proxies, it simply does not need.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Krasnodar

Russia there pursues other goals - to get involved in a war with Turkey or Israel over the IRGC, the territorial disputes of Syria or the Iranian proxies, it simply does not need.

how can I say ... the territorial integrity of Syria is too often voiced ... well, in the sense of talking about it I suspect that this makes sense because Russia needs a reliable base, which means strong power in Syria .. somehow. and it would not be bad to take away oil fields from the USA. of course by SSA
lately there is something quiet by the way. not good

[Krasnodar]

Russia needs a stable dependent Assad with unresolved issues. Oil from the States is a negotiation process, where it’s better to grab the CAA than from the Turks. Partisanism - yes, maybe. After many years.

[Alexey Ilyin]

> yeah .. the country throughout its history is dependent on the support of one superpower (created with the support of the USSR), then another (with the support of the United States, victory in the 6-day war), boast of their greatness lol really funny yes
the fact is that Israel needs to make every effort not to quarrel with Russia, but for Russia it is just another player in the Middle East request

- Israel did not receive any support from the USSR, except for a vote at the UN, which did not matter since the Arabs did not give a damn about him and immediately attacked. Therefore, the fate of Israel was decided not on the sidelines of the UN, but on the battlefield, where Israel won. And the weapons from Czechoslovakia were only in the form of rifles and machine guns in the number of 25 thousand units. Not much. Mortars, guns and tanks were not at all. There were also 25 worthless Messers with engines from bombers and therefore able to fly like a cow dancing on ice. There was no support from the United States before and during the Six Day War. - neither weapons, nor money. There was diplomatic support after the war, but that's another song.

Yes, Israel is another player in the Middle East, but the player is very strong and important. Therefore, the interest of Russia and Israel is mutual!

[Alexey Ilyin]

> Israel will be devoured without American funding, unless of course they have time to find a new owner laughing but don't worry. of course Israel will not perish. if there is no American support, Israel will quickly fall under Russia

- Its most brilliant and most important victory (well, except perhaps the victory in the War of Independence in 1948-49, when the issue of the very emergence of the sovereign state of Israel was decided), Israel won the Six Day War in 1967 without any support from the United States - there was no American weapon in the arsenal of the Tsakhal and the country received no financial infusions from the US government. Israel's economy is now well developed to support the country's military spending. Of course, it would be easier for them with American help, and without it some costs would have to be cut, but on the whole, Israel would have managed. Well, he would be more modest, but he would still be able to protect himself from the same Iran. If Israel lay down under Russia, it would hardly have helped its economy because aid from Russia could not be equivalent to US assistance. Wooden green is no match.

[stone]

How over Syria? But why did the pilot calmly heal in an Israeli hospital, and was not torn to pieces, as the Arab men love?

[Krasnodar]

Reached the shot down Spitfire through the Lamansh

[Alexey Ilyin]

It happens that comes. When it is necessary. By the way, even before the loss of the F-16, they usually fired from Lebanon. So it's not a loss. Bullet from Lebanon is on their part a reasonable and competent tactical decision. Why take risks when there is an opportunity to complete a combat mission without risk? That would have been done by all the air forces of the world, including the Russian Air Force.

[Black Colonel]

And what about God's chosen ones with the "Qassams"? Neither Kumpol, nor David's Sling, nor the Patriots save. And if, at the request of Syria, Russia supplies Iskander-E, I think the Jews' agility will diminish.

[Krasnodar]

Syria will also decrease. Much

[srelock]

For 10 years of the bombing of Syria, Israel has not achieved anything, there is no point in additionally counteracting this.

[Stalllker]

I’m also interested, the cost of destroyed objects exceeded the cost of a lost plane and fired missiles ?! Well, they certainly didn’t receive political dividends)))

[Victor_B]

But even if Syria received a new and modernized MiG-29, these aircraft are unlikely to interfere with Israel enjoying relative impunity.

Well, for example, catch the Jewish litak OVER LEBANON.
Fly into Lebanese airspace and destroy Jewish planes.
Why music?
Here is another question - how and with what then to reflect the full-scale invasion of the Israeli army in Syria?
And it will be.

[KCA]

What can the full-scale invasion of the Israeli army in Syria, while Putin and Netanyahu kiss the gums?

[convoy]

Quote: Victor_B

Here is another question - how and with what then to reflect the full-scale invasion of the Israeli army in Syria?
And it will be.

They will be scared, their gut is thin ... There Russians are very angry with Israel
Il shot down by a trick with our best specialists, we remember
Yes, and the constant bombing from far Damascus .. Because it is impudence already rolls over!

[Thrifty]

If the Kremlin ceases to secretly support Israel in its aggression, then the C300 in the skies over Lebanon will begin to tumble down Jewish aircraft! So, the main thing is not only what equipment the Syrians are armed with, the main thing is the Kremlin’s policy towards Israel. ..

[Constructor68]

If the Kremlin ceases to secretly support Israel in its aggression, then the C300 in the skies over Lebanon will begin to tumble down Jewish aircraft!

Some kind of nonsense. It seems that an adult writes ... First, the Kremlin does not support Israel in its attacks on Syria. More correctly, he cannot influence them in any way. Rather, it can, but this is either by the hands of the Syrians, or by their own hands. The first means for Syria a war on two fronts, and the second means the entry into the war of the state of the Russian Federation against the state of Israel. Of course, for your cries, the latter is not scary, but any strategically thinking person will understand that the Russian Federation on the Syrian LDP does not have so much strength to fully counter it. But Israel has all the country's technical and military potential 200km from the battlefield. Who has the advantage and more chances to operate with forces and defeat the enemy? Or will we again threaten nuclear weapons? In addition, the Israeli Air Force is subjected to g / o targets related specifically to Quds, which allows us to politically close our eyes to this.
Secondly, in order to shoot down aircraft over Lebanon, you need to: a) make Syrian air defense not focal, but layered, b) remove the mountains of Jebel Ansaria and Antilivan, which do not allow you to view Lebanese airspace (which is used by the Israeli Air Force)

[vomag]

means the entry into the war of the state of the Russian Federation against the state of Israel

.This means the end of Israel as a state!

[snucerist]

In Russia there are so many hats?

[orionvitt]

Quote: Designer 68

The Kremlin does not support Israel in its attacks on Syria.

It does not support, but does not interfere. And that says a lot.

[Thrifty]

Constructor 68-reluctance to influence Israel, the ban on reconciliation of the C300 against Jewish aviation, is a form of assistance to Israel in destroying the ifrastructure of Syria!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Designer 68

It seems that an adult writes ....

But here it’s not an indicator - you don’t even read it like that.

[tikhonov66]

b) remove the mountains of Jebel Ansaria and Antilivan, which do not allow viewing the airspace of Lebanon (which is used by the Israeli Air Force)

- Nuuu ... if they STRONGLY interfere - then you can remove it ...
On New Earth in the 60s, they say - well, so the mountains diminished ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Thrifty

If the Kremlin ceases to secretly support Israel in its aggression, then the C300 in the skies over Lebanon will begin to tumble down Jewish aircraft! So, the main thing is not only what equipment the Syrians are armed with, the main thing is the Kremlin’s policy towards Israel. ..

You still say insulting.

[Thrifty]

Aron, take a pie from the shelf until it is dry, and it will become easy and joyful for your soul - it can be! And if you take two free pies - then for sure - it will become easy and joyful! !!

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Thrifty

Aron, take a pie from the shelf until it is dry, and it will become easy and joyful for your soul - it can be! And if you take two free pies - then for sure - it will become easy and joyful! !!

For free and vinegar is sweet.
(Soviet wisdom).

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Thrifty

If the Kremlin ceases to secretly support Israel in its aggression, then the C300 in the skies over Lebanon will begin to tumble down Jewish aircraft! So, the main thing is not only what equipment the Syrians are armed with, the main thing is the Kremlin’s policy towards Israel. ..

All of the Russian people recently supported the president’s policy until at least 2036, including in the Middle East.

[Fungus]

Israel bombing Syria with the permission of Russia (Putin-Netanyahu agreement). So long ago, all Israeli aircraft landed.

[Wedmak]

According to him, Israeli aircraft have much more modern and sophisticated equipment, weapons systems and defensive means "than their Syrian counterparts," and the pilots have better training.

Yeah ... and also the habit of striking from the airspace of another country, also hiding behind the terrain. And as for the setups and stabs in the back, so are professionals in general.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Wedmak

Yeah ... and also the habit of striking from the airspace of another country, also hiding behind the terrain. And as for the setups and stabs in the back so generally professionals

Indeed, complete disgrace! Look what you have come up with - to hide behind reliefs. It should be demanded at the highest level that Israeli pilots move exclusively on foot, in full dress and unfurled banners. Otherwise, turn off the hot water.

[Rostislav]

No need to juggle. We are talking about attacks from the territory of another state. I have no doubt that if the Syrians respond, accusations of aggression, of a "treacherous attack on a neighbor" will immediately fall down.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Rostislav

No need to juggle. We are talking about attacks from the territory of another state. I have no doubt that if the Syrians respond, accusations of aggression, of a "treacherous attack on a neighbor" will immediately fall down.

You are not aware that Israel and Syria are at war? There is no peace treaty between them.

The same source explains:

Over the past seven years, Israel has carried out hundreds of airstrikes on Syria hitting targets it believes are related to Iran's presence in that war-torn country. It is doing so to prevent Iran from gaining a permanent strategic military foothold in the country which Israel fears could substantially strengthen its Hezbollah adversary in Lebanon and possibly even in Syria itself - where Israel wants to prevent the group from establishing any 'second front' alongside the Golan Heights.

Over the past seven years, Israel has inflicted hundreds of attacks on Syria, striking targets that, in his opinion, are related to the presence of Iran in this war-affected country. This is done in order to prevent Iran from receiving permanent strategic military support in the country, which, Israel fears, could significantly strengthen the enemy to Hezbollah in Lebanon and, possibly, even in Syria itself, where Israel wants to prevent the group from creating a “second front” along Golan Heights.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/pauliddon/2020/06/30/modernized-syrian-mig-29s-wont-stop-israeli-airstrikes-in-syria/#99fe55456761

[Far East]

(You do not know that Israel and Syria are at war?) In your opinion, we (the Russian Federation) can also fight with (Mikado)? Well, as much as you can write, they didn’t sign (peacekeeper) you (Israel) rejoice when your neighbor (seams) is all yours (NUTRO)

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Far East

in your opinion we (the Russian Federation) see with (Mikado) are also fighting? Well, as much as you can write, they didn’t sign (peacekeeper) you (Israel) rejoice when your neighbor (seams) is all yours (NUTRO

So you still don’t know anything about the existence of the 1956 declaration on ending the state of war between the USSR and Japan?
Everything else about our joy and about the inside is an empty chatter. Learn materiel, my dear, and you will be happy.

[Far East]

come on! everything's clear with you! take a candy from! please! tell me how you get hurt! uuuhh! do not tear the straps!

[borberd]

Russian is not native? Chinas probably?

[Far East]

Who are you? for what purpose is interest? also someone offended?

[Zeev zeev]

Firstly, the Syrian air defense forces repeatedly shot in the direction of Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, and even Cyprus. Secondly, please be familiar with the targets hit in Syria in recent years and think about how you can attack targets near Palmyra, Aleppo, Deir al-Zur, etc. from the territory of Lebanon (hiding under the folds of the terrain in addition).

[Zeev zeev]

hiding behind the terrain.

This statement I especially liked. Do you really think that it is necessary to bomb enemies so that its air defense is easier and easier to aim? Come on...

[Samara_63]

We have an avalanche antediluvian, all on Chinese elements
And Israel has a modern

[neri73-r]

Quote: Samara_63

We have an avalanche antediluvian, all on Chinese elements
And Israel has a modern

Do "us" have it in Ukraine?

[tikhonov66]

We have an avalanche antediluvian, all on Chinese elements
And Israel has a modern

- all on Chinese elements too!
But she is "Israeli" - and this is already strong!

[Zeev zeev]

And why do we need Chinese elements in Israel, if the country has not only electronics factories of Israeli firms, but also leading world manufacturers (for example, a couple of Intel factories).

[orionvitt]

Israeli aircraft have much more modern and sophisticated equipment, weapons systems and defensive means "than their Syrian counterparts," and the pilots have better training.

I agree only with different skill levels of pilots. On the other hand, the Arabs cannot be trusted with the most modern and best weapons, all the same there will be no sense.

[Krasnodar]

Jordanians are good pilots

[Charik]

actually there, as with auto, it all depends on the gasket between the rus and the pilot's seat

[5-9]

F-22 will not be saved from Israeli attacks ... unless you strike at their airdromes or shoot down Helhaavir's planes on takeoff / over Israel or over Lebanon / sea ... this is a soccer game when only one team hits the goal.

[Amadeus Ivanov]

Jewish pilots, but Syrian two are not comparable factors. If in Israel they are pros, then in Syria they are not even amateurs ... And give these non-amateurs at least a super-super plane, they will simply drill through everything and everyone ...

[Herman 4223]

In the air, not only fighters fight. There should be AWACS aircraft and instructions, jammers, without this, no new fighters can save.

[da Vinci]

Israel inflicts most attacks from Lebanese airspace, or at a great distance at sea. No rich country will allow itself to keep a constant link of fighters in the air, and if the Syrian air force enters the airspace of Lebanon, or hits an airplane over Israel, then the defenders of freedom will bomb the Syrian air force at least, plus sanctions, etc.

[convoy]

Even if they [MiG-29] are equipped with the R-77, I would advise the Syrian crews: stay away from Israeli fighters!

Bouncers you ... Hope this situation lasts forever? With each of your bombing of Syria, you have more and more enemies. Including in Russia

[TermNachTer]

With a clever look to voice well-known, common truths - this is certainly cool. This is an esperd

[nikant]

Jews will continue to do whatever they want: the states are behind their backs ... and watching and keeping silent is Russia's lot. keep it up!