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Loss results? Turkey refuses to sell Bayraktar drones

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Ankara is ready to export to Azerbaijan only Anka reconnaissance and strike drones. At the same time, Bayraktar TB2 UAVs actively used in Syria and Libya to sell Baku is not possible.


West will not allow?


This was reported by the Azerbaijani publication Azeridefence, referring to a statement by an anonymous source. According to him, the difficulties in exporting UAVs of the Bayraktar TB2 and Karayel-SU types are caused by the “stuffing” of these machines - “they are equipped with components imported from abroad”.

These include the engine, satellite communications system and payload. These products are manufactured in Western countries, which must give permission for their transfer to a third party. However, according to a source at Azeridefence, past experience shows that getting approval will be difficult.

Bayraktar was actively used by Ankara during military operations in Syria and Libya this year. Judging by the headlines dazzled on the pages of the Turkish and Western press, the drone showed itself “in all its glory”. Allegedly, due to air strikes, the score of the destroyed Pantsir-S air defense missiles went to the tens.

However, Defense Arabic, citing Ment Defense, points out that according to Turkish sources, ““aviation Turkey has destroyed nine systems of this type in recent months. ”



Do you need such a horse yourself?


At the same time, according to expert estimates of Lostarmour, Ankara lost at least 14 units of Bayraktar TB2. It is possible that many more drones were destroyed. At least at the peak moment of the confrontation with Assad’s troops, it was announced that they would deploy accelerated UAV production.

As can be assumed, Turkey does not really want to sell the Bayraktar party to Azerbaijan due to the need to make up for losses in their park. Moreover, given the growing escalation of the conflict. In any case, previously there were no problems with the export of this UAV. So, in October 2019, when it was all about active battles, the delivery of six Bayraktarov purchased by Ukraine was completed.

Bayraktar, judging by the experience of conducting military operations in Syria and Libya, is the main workhorse of Turkish aviation. The proposed Anka Baku was not used so intensively, although it is much more massive and capable of carrying 200 kg of payload with a weight of 1600 kg (Bayraktar - 55 kg with a mass of 650 kg). Apparently, the “Bayraktars” are really still equipped with the “stuffing” of Western production. But this does not affect the impossibility of exporting them, but the desire to replenish their own fleet with these machines.

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  1. yfast
    yfast 2 July 2020 00: 42 New
    +5
    And then what is there bairaktarnogo except wheels?
    1. Buffet
      Buffet 2 July 2020 09: 30 New
      -15
      The same can be said about Armata, and the Su-57, and in general all the weapons of Russia over the past 10 years. We do not produce normal electronics.
      1. 5-9
        5-9 2 July 2020 12: 37 New
        +4
        What specifically is not ours in the Su-57 and T-14?
        1. Buffet
          Buffet 2 July 2020 12: 41 New
          -8
          Most electronics, and minus the comment will not save from the bitter truth. Xilinx processors, like the rest of the ECB, are mostly American. Maybe you can find me on ChipIdip ecb domestic production? Meets modern requirements and technologies, especially for the defense industry?
          1. pereselenec
            pereselenec 2 July 2020 14: 18 New
            -2
            Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
            Maybe you can find me on ChipIdip ecb domestic production? Meets modern requirements and technologies, especially for the defense industry?


            In response, silence and cons set in impotent rage ...
            1. Buffet
              Buffet 2 July 2020 15: 01 New
              -3
              This is a consequence of the “Urya of patriotism”. Plugging your ears and saying "I'm not listening, you're lying." Maybe just people are looking for sites on our ecb? Just help me at work
          2. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 2 July 2020 15: 07 New
            +3
            How do you prove that there is chilin and not Elbrus?
            1. Buffet
              Buffet 2 July 2020 15: 45 New
              0
              Elbrus, like Baikal, is still raw as if anything. We don’t even have a word to switch from Xilinx to them. And the fact that you wrote "chilin", I dare to assume that in electronics you do not understand anything.
              1. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 2 July 2020 17: 14 New
                +3
                I'm not special, it's true, but I'm interested in many things. As far as I know, in our country there are treble enterprises where microelectronics are produced and Elbrus is also different there. There are new versions, and there is something older.
                The thing that surprises me is how confident you are proving the presence of foreign electronics. Do you install it yourself or are you the designer of this technique to know?
                1. Buffet
                  Buffet 3 July 2020 08: 47 New
                  +3
                  Well, I'm not a constructor, I'm a developer and set up this equipment. Therefore, I speak with such confidence that I work directly with iron. Well, they produce it, only it does not fit in its characteristics to the requirements for the characteristics. And comments can be minus as many as you want. This will not save the truth from couch experts.
                  1. Herman 4223
                    Herman 4223 3 July 2020 12: 19 New
                    +1
                    But where then are they produced if they do not fit anywhere?
                    1. Buffet
                      Buffet 3 July 2020 13: 53 New
                      +1
                      I have no idea. It may be for some such devices where high performance and functionality are not required, and there are no rigid frames in terms of weight and dimensions. I’ll give you an example. We have one development for one aircraft, we are told to use domestic voltage generators and power supplies. We figured that if you use our components, the device will be 150 kg heavier than imported ones, only for a couple of items!
                  2. Herman 4223
                    Herman 4223 3 July 2020 12: 33 New
                    +1
                    If you really understand this and work with equipment. Then why don't you write an article about this.
                    To get more details, if there is a backlog, it should be eliminated, if something is not being produced then it’s settled. The army should not depend on anyone.
                    1. Buffet
                      Buffet 3 July 2020 13: 56 New
                      +1
                      I thought about it, but I have too little free time. Plus I need to attach some real documents and photos. And all this already has the status of secrecy. And to speak simply unfounded, it is possible only in the comments. In general, look at old articles, for sure there is something like that.
                      1. maratkoRuEkb
                        maratkoRuEkb 15 July 2020 14: 47 New
                        0


                        wait, here are the characteristics of the UVSS which was developed for the SU-57, there is Elbrus.
          3. Max-ttr
            Max-ttr 2 July 2020 15: 15 New
            +2
            And google laziness yourself? https://profperimetr.ru/category/otechestvennye-proizvoditeli-ekb/
            1. Buffet
              Buffet 2 July 2020 15: 43 New
              -1
              This is just a poster. I am talking about what meets our requirements as developers. And this supplier is already purchasing at the factories and everyone has the inscription "leader in the domestic market." Yeah. How many leaders I shoveled this week. Although thanks for the link. I have not seen some manufacturers.
          4. Arkon
            Arkon 3 July 2020 18: 48 New
            0
            Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
            Xilinx processors,


            Of course, I do not know what stands on the Su - 57, but I do not really understand why use foreign FPGAs when there are Russian ones?
            1. Buffet
              Buffet 7 July 2020 10: 03 New
              -1
              They are still raw, or for us they are not quite applicable. And we have no talk about Baikal or Elbrus. R&D is needed to use our processors. And it takes time and money to check them in work. As far as I know, we do not have such R&D. Otherwise, everyone at work would be trumpeted about it. (The aftershockneews channel is for you. He just raised this topic. I’m sitting and watching it now. But he says too many positive things or doesn’t know the whole question.)
          5. ism_ek
            ism_ek 3 July 2020 19: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
            Xilinx processors, like the rest of the ECB, are mostly American. Maybe you can find me on ChipIdip ecb domestic production?

            https://www.soel.ru/novosti/2019/novye_rossiyskie_plis/
            Shop chipidip is not an indicator. I don’t understand who is buying there. There are no American components in the Su-57 electronics. No. There are Chinese components, capacitors, resistors, etc. But the integrated circuits are Russian. Yes, they are more expensive.
            1. Buffet
              Buffet 7 July 2020 10: 01 New
              -1
              The chip and dip do not agree. But fairy tales about the fact that there are no American electronic components are not necessary. We even have Agilent Technologies measuring equipment. For you channel on YouTube aftershockneews. Just raised this topic. But he says too many things too positively or does not completely know the issue.
          6. d4rkmesa
            d4rkmesa 3 July 2020 19: 31 New
            +1
            You say it like it's something bad. Yes, in the military-industrial complex, FPGAs are very fond of, well, so FPGAs themselves are just "blanks," roughly speaking. Xilinx is not the only manufacturer. So now, nosebleeds must be transferred to domestic specialized DSP?
            1. Buffet
              Buffet 7 July 2020 10: 09 New
              -1
              Absolutely agree. Open architecture is everything. Sculpt what you want and how you need it for specific tasks. And the best enemy of the good. We are also not talking about DSP. But I'm talking more about ECBs that are mounted using surface mount. For you, the YouTube channel aftershockneews. Just raised this topic. But he says too many things too positively or does not completely know the issue.
          7. smart ass
            smart ass 4 July 2020 00: 29 New
            0
            Oil, gas, wood, what else do we need processors ??? Duck, this question needs to be asked to the dude who promised 200000 high-tech jobs!
          8. t00r
            t00r 4 July 2020 00: 48 New
            +1
            Honestly, I have raised this question more than once (on other resources), but this site has nothing to do with technical issues, no authors of articles, no readers understand how microchips are made, so writing about XILINX ALTERA ATMEL and other FPGAs is like clever before monkeys. And so if you continue in the same vein, you will be banned because it is not customary to drip tar under uraicheskie tales.
      2. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 2 July 2020 15: 04 New
        +5
        Yes, what are you saying? Have you seen our electronics? It is bigger and heavier than a foreign one, I do not argue, but in connection with other requirements for duplication, we are tougher. How do you know what stands on Armata or Su57? With a probability of 99% there is domestic iron and OMS, maybe using a small number of foreign parts.
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        2. Buffet
          Buffet 2 July 2020 15: 49 New
          0
          Imagine that I’m working with her. Only duplication is now not quite what you understand. I personally see the iron that goes on airplanes and I can say the opposite, I import 99%. I do not argue about any displays or harnesses with our connectors. We even have boards coming from China. Because here they can not ensure high-quality production of boards here.
      3. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 2 July 2020 23: 09 New
        0
        This is because you do not know anything on the subject, and therefore say so. There is a list of enterprises producing electronics for the military-industrial complex. But you didn’t even ask how it is in reality, right?
        1. Buffet
          Buffet 3 July 2020 08: 54 New
          0
          Yes, of course they are, I do not argue, but apparently logic and attentiveness is not a strong point of couch experts. Have you carefully read what I wrote? There are technical requirements for the device that it must issue. What frequencies to work at, performance, weight, dimensions. And our iron cannot simply provide these characteristics of the device under development. It amazes me that there are no real electronic engineers and developers, but there are only "people who are interested" and they think that dofiga understand everything. Please open the ChipIdip website and see the electronics manufacturers from which countries they are from.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 4 July 2020 10: 22 New
            -1
            Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
            but apparently logic and mindfulness is not a strong point of couch experts.


            That you are apparently to yourself. And I got the status of a sofa just 4 years ago. And before that, more than a quarter of a century in the service in various assholes of Russia
            1. Buffet
              Buffet 7 July 2020 10: 14 New
              0
              So if you are not connected with real production, why bother with your incompetent opinion where you do not understand anything?
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 7 July 2020 13: 19 New
                -1
                You climb there "wherever you ear." (P.)
                Why am I unable to do this? I was interested in this question, asked questions from those who knew, and received adequate answers to questions.
                1. Buffet
                  Buffet 8 July 2020 13: 54 New
                  0
                  Here you are only interested, but not working. There is a difference? And with whom you spoke there, I do not know. Surely as interested as you. And I work with it directly. And I say that I see at home.
                  1. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 8 July 2020 16: 40 New
                    -1
                    No, not interested, but working in the military-industrial complex.
                    1. Buffet
                      Buffet 8 July 2020 17: 06 New
                      0
                      Oh, already got a job. Quickly change shoes in the air, quickly. And I’m just now writing a feasibility study why it is impossible to use our ekb. Because it is antediluvian for aviation.
                      1. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 8 July 2020 17: 11 New
                        -1
                        Your understanding is poor. It also happens. However, it is not surprising.

                        Why I can’t do it because I’m interested in this issue, asked questions from those who know received adequate answers to questions.

                        Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
                        Surely as interested as you

                        No, not interested, but working in the military-industrial complex.
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 2 July 2020 19: 46 New
      +1
      I remember they poked my nose here, which is cooler than the Turkish shaitans - arba, only mattresses))) And I asked the question - the full production cycle or the designer "crazy hands"? So the answer came - someone somewhere said “no way” and the best “bayraktars” in the world landed sharply. Anka is much larger, more expensive and less commonly used; it can be sold. But the engines there are “Motor Sich” - tomorrow the Washington Reich Chancellery will say “no way” and read paragraph one.
  2. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 2 July 2020 01: 09 New
    10
    Since the beginning of the year in Libya, the Turks have lost 17 Bayraktar TV2 UAVs. More details here
    https://dronewars.net/drone-crash-database/
  3. Indifferent
    Indifferent 2 July 2020 01: 13 New
    -5
    "Bayroktar" in translation into Russian - "standard bearer". I think a good airplane for the war with the Papuans.
    1. Alexey from Perm
      Alexey from Perm 2 July 2020 02: 24 New
      0
      Is Russian armor a Papuan weapon for you? Those. did you call Russia Papuan?
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 2 July 2020 04: 21 New
        +2
        Is Russian armor a Papuan weapon for you? Those. did you call Russia Papuan?

        Yes, he wrote just that.
        1. Fungus
          Fungus 2 July 2020 06: 00 New
          13
          Almost all lost Shells in Libya in hangars, on trawls or on the go. That is, stupidly in an inactive position. So he’s right you can’t give the Papuans such a technique.
          1. huntsman650
            huntsman650 2 July 2020 07: 53 New
            +4
            Or Papuans operators)))
      2. 5-9
        5-9 2 July 2020 12: 38 New
        0
        This is not Russian, but the UAE-shny armor in Libya ... they are not Papuans?
      3. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 2 July 2020 15: 05 New
        +1
        Papuans are those who use Russian weapons. The Syrians have crooked hands and a head, so they always whine and scold technology.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 4 July 2020 10: 19 New
          -1
          Recently I watched the information on the study by the commission of the USSR Ministry of Defense in 1989 of the situation in the Syrian Air Force and Air Defense. So it turned out that the situation is the same for the Air Force and Air Defense. Serviceability is low. The technical descriptions of Soviet aircraft and air defense systems, in principle, did not translate into Arabic.
          I will clarify the transfer at the request of the country of the recipient BT. Fun...
  4. Sergey39
    Sergey39 2 July 2020 01: 15 New
    +2
    And they can also impose sanctions on receiving components for Bayraktar against Turkey and will be left without them.
    1. KURT330
      KURT330 2 July 2020 11: 40 New
      0
      The only import component is some optics part. Bought in Canada, when Canadians joined the US sanctions, the Turks began to buy in China. Canada lifted sanctions last month. Shipments resumed.
    2. Alex777
      Alex777 2 July 2020 15: 00 New
      +1
      And the Armenians are not sitting idly by. They pull for all the strings they can find. wink
  5. 013Azer
    013Azer 2 July 2020 01: 18 New
    +4
    [Quote
    Ankara is ready to export to Azerbaijan only Anka reconnaissance and strike drones. ] [/ quote]















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  6. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 2 July 2020 01: 27 New
    +9
    maybe hundreds of "Shell-S" destroyed))) as they said before - the paper will stand everything !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    and the Internet all the more ...
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 2 July 2020 23: 12 New
      -1
      Reliably one Pantsyr is captured, the second is disabled in the hangar. all.
  7. gsev
    gsev 2 July 2020 03: 04 New
    +7
    Perhaps the Turks realized that the advantage of a weapon is increased if it is only in the hands of its army. Otherwise, the enemy has a chance to reveal his weaknesses and adopt the strengths of such a technique. In addition, the Turks indicated success in the Libyan direction, where they will apparently concentrate maximum forces to break the enemy. So far, Russia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and France are acting separately and Turkey has high chances to squeeze them all out of Libya. But for only 200 years, France and the United States paid tribute to Turkish vassals.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 2 July 2020 09: 22 New
      +6
      The authorities of countries that think not of themselves, but of their power have a principle. First you need to provide your army, then strangers. Bayraktars have proved their effectiveness, in the Turks 3/4 of the country are mountains, coasts, islands. Without an UAV, all this is difficult to control. Almost all along the southern border there are counter-terrorist operations and expeditionary wars in two countries.
  8. Thrifty
    Thrifty 2 July 2020 05: 11 New
    -5
    So let the Azerbaijani people buy bytractors from uk-roiny, pay them. ...later. .. lol and drones will get now lol ! In other words, the chairs are now, but there is no money, but you hold on there lol lol
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 2 July 2020 09: 53 New
      +4
      "Azerbaijanis"? What prevents you from writing spelling, literacy, or soul?
    2. gsev
      gsev 2 July 2020 13: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      So let the Azerbaijanis buy bytractors from uk-roiny, pay them. ...later. .

      But is the Azerbaijani UAV factory not capable of producing about 1000 vehicles a year? Turks can’t produce their drones on it, crowding out Israeli consumers?
  9. Avior
    Avior 2 July 2020 06: 12 New
    +5
    The headline is loud, but stand up to prove it - only phrases
    As you might guess .... Apparently ....

    If there really are import-western components there, as an anonymous author writes, then from the fact that they gave permission to sell these UAVs, Ukraine does not at all conclude that the Turks will agree to sell them to Azerbaijan, and the whole situation has a simple explanation without conspiracy theories.
  10. Samara_63
    Samara_63 2 July 2020 06: 27 New
    -7
    And we don’t have anything, because Reshals have settled in science
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 2 July 2020 23: 14 New
      -3
      But you are illiterate to the head patam and do not know how it really is ...
  11. Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 2 July 2020 08: 31 New
    +4
    "capable of carrying 200 kg of payload with a weight of 1600 kg (Bayraktar - 55 kg with a mass of 650 kg)." Initially, the declared payload figures are specially underestimated. But in the last month they openly say that the Bayraktar payload is 150 kg .As a result of the sale, it turned out that the range of use of these devices increased. Previously, they were used in Iraq, in Syria, over the islands on the border with Greece, in the Cyprus area (there was created an UAV base), now Libya was added. Therefore, the Turks increased production rates, and decided not to temporarily sell Bayraktar to other countries. They themselves say that the Bayraktar shock fleet will be brought up to 200 units.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 2 July 2020 09: 12 New
      +1
      150 kg is a direct bust, I still believe 100 kg, due to the reduction of fuel and all parameters. And where did you read about it?
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 2 July 2020 09: 29 New
        +3
        In Turkey’s TV programs, during conversations of military experts. Over the past month, I saw 4 times talking in different channels about 150 kg of payload. We emphasized that the weight of weapons can be in the region of 70-75 kg.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 2 July 2020 09: 31 New
          +1
          Thanks, got it. With this logic, it’s possible. Can't hear about Akinchi?
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 2 July 2020 09: 44 New
            +4
            Bloggers said that Akinchi made another test flight, reaching an altitude of 15 + km, but they are silent about it in Baikar, they do not disclose it (there are no other sources for checking this info yet). smart bombs (KGK) -MK-82 on target from a distance of 28 km ..
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 2 July 2020 09: 51 New
              +1
              So the next year is not worth the wait in the series, more meaning has appeared in increasing the amount of TB2.
              1. Oquzyurd
                Oquzyurd 2 July 2020 10: 10 New
                +1
                Akıncı is almost ready for the series, but it’s connected with testing the radar with the “Active Electronic Scanning Array” (AESA). These tests will end by the end of 2020. According to the initial plan, the UAV will mount the radar at the end of 2021. Most likely they will begin serial production of Akındzha earlier, expecting only radar by the end of 2021. Logically, they will hand over the serial product to the aircraft in 2022.
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 2 July 2020 10: 20 New
                  +2
                  OK, we will see. An interesting UAV, even if they realize half of the promise.
                  1. Oquzyurd
                    Oquzyurd 2 July 2020 10: 38 New
                    +1
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEec_EbJgfU&t=65s Процесс создания и испытаний.Интересный документальный фильм.Я посмотрел,и пришел к выводу,что с таким подходом они способны создать все намеченное.
                    1. Grazdanin
                      Grazdanin 2 July 2020 10: 48 New
                      +3
                      Well thank you. I have no doubt that they can, they know how to work in Turkey.
  12. imobile2008
    imobile2008 2 July 2020 09: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Since the beginning of the year in Libya, the Turks have lost 17 Bayraktar TV2 UAVs. More details here
    https://dronewars.net/drone-crash-database/

    Very little. Drones and created in order to lose them, hundreds, thousands, millions. This is a different tactic.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 2 July 2020 10: 13 New
      +2
      Well, a little bit wrong, rather, they can work when the manned planes are recalled. When 2 Assad aircraft were shot down, they stopped flying, when the bayraktars shot down, they did not stop flights.
    2. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 2 July 2020 14: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: imobile2008
      Drones and created in order to lose them, hundreds, thousands, millions.

      But there are dozens of them in the troops, not hundreds and thousands ... request think about it, 2 weeks of use in Syria, 14 confirmed losses, and Turkey can no longer export shock UAVs and is forced to mass production. and pleasure is not cheap.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 3 July 2020 11: 54 New
        -2
        Turks say Bayraktar can be bought very cheaply for 5 million bucks. Comparable in terms of performance characteristics, Tsesna-172 (Well, at least at least) is new for 300-500 thousand bucks. Aeroprakt A-22 is new - about 90 thousand Baku. What is typical on it is exactly the same Rotax. The Ukrainian set of 6 Bayraktarov, 200 TSA, 2 control complexes pulled 69 million bucks
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 4 July 2020 17: 48 New
          0
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          Turks say Bayraktar can be bought very cheaply for 5 million bucks.

          for a consumable for 1 flight into the air defense coverage area? somehow not cheap ... but if there is no air defense then norms.
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          Aeroprakt A-22 is new - about 90 thousand Baku.
          a strange comparison ... civilians and then what? Yes, and with the pilot ... are you talking about what you can do cheap gliders? Well, yes, but their combat value is more than dubious wink
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          The Ukrainian set of 6 Bayraktarov, 200 TSA, 2 control complexes pulled 69 million bucks

          as you remember, the APU also had normal planes, but somehow it didn’t help request What will the 6 UAVs change?
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 4 July 2020 18: 09 New
            0
            Quote: SanichSan
            What will the 6 UAVs change?

            nothing
            for a consumable for 1 flight into the air defense coverage area? somehow not cheap ... but if there is no air defense then norms.

            It turns out that so
  13. SS-18
    SS-18 2 July 2020 10: 30 New
    -2
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    What prevents you from correctly writing "naming"


    - nothing personal .. but inviting the other person to write correctly !! at least it’s necessary to write him a sentence about it correctly)
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 2 July 2020 12: 19 New
      +4
      I am excusable, I am not Russian, and I do not pretend to be literate, but I am writing the names of countries and peoples correctly.
  14. KURT330
    KURT330 2 July 2020 11: 34 New
    +1
    [/ quote] The difficulties in exporting UAVs of the Bayraktar TB2 and Karayel-SU types are caused by the “filling” of these machines - “they are equipped with components imported from abroad.” [quote]

    Well, it does not fit somehow))
    After all, Ukraine was sold and no problems.
    Turkey itself proposed these UAVs to Azerbaijan at the expense of its loan.
    To the extreme, reconnaissance could very well turn into drums "with one small movement of the hand."
    I can even say whose hand))
  15. KURT330
    KURT330 2 July 2020 11: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Since the beginning of the year in Libya, the Turks have lost 17 Bayraktar TV2 UAVs. More details here
    https://dronewars.net/drone-crash-database/

    Quite a true figure. Regarding the Shell, 23 were declared.
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 2 July 2020 14: 29 New
      0
      Quote: KURT330
      Regarding the Shell, 23 were declared.

      How much is confirmed?
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 2 July 2020 23: 16 New
        -2
        two reliably.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 3 July 2020 20: 44 New
          -1
          True, it hurts into the eyes and minusers?
  16. KURT330
    KURT330 2 July 2020 12: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: Grazdanin
    150 kg is a direct bust, I still believe 100 kg, due to the reduction of fuel and all parameters. And where did you read about it?

    Take a look at this link.
    The carrying capacity is indicated as 150 kg.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiMTyPoKj1c
  17. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 2 July 2020 15: 01 New
    0
    Turkish there is only the brand of the manufacturer.
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 2 July 2020 18: 26 New
      +2
      No, you got a brand lol .Know that serially admit, sell cheaply)
  18. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 2 July 2020 15: 06 New
    -1
    Is there evidence for nine shells? "3,14, don’t turn the bags over," as they say :)
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 2 July 2020 18: 28 New
      -1
      And they are gentlemen, they believe each other's word. In war, the main thing is not to destroy, but to report.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 2 July 2020 23: 17 New
      -2
      There are no confirmations, there are muddy cartoons. To the Turks we will change the director of the director and the artists at the same time ...
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 3 July 2020 20: 35 New
        0
        minusers, but it’s burning for you
    3. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 3 July 2020 20: 46 New
      +1
      Not. Two, only two. Surely. But the local false "Turks" stuck to the minuses
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 3 July 2020 21: 03 New
        +1
        These are not Turks, but local Urki lol
        I like one place at their disadvantages, I just write, I always have a lot of minuses but there are pluses.
  19. flicker
    flicker 2 July 2020 15: 45 New
    +3
    Turkey refuses to sell Bayraktar drones. Loss results?
    You can’t sell what doesn’t belong to you.
    ---
    For a long time "tormented by vague doubts."
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    Selcuk Bayraktar - engineer, creator of drones.
    Graduated from Istanbul Technical University 2002.
    It is unlikely that Turkey can be called the homeland of drones.
    Accordingly, the Technical University of Istanbul is not able to graduate any strong specialists in this field.
    And so the further training of Selchuk at the University of Pennsylvania and the Massachusetts Institute seemed quite reasonable.
    ---
    But despite the excellent education, Bayraktar for a long time could hardly surprise Turkish defense experts.
    Those. drones did not inspire confidence.
    ---
    In 2006, Turkey ordered 10 unarmed Heron drones from Israel (by the way, one of the leading drone makers (along with the United States).
    Israel delivered these drones to Turkey 5 years later, that is 2011. But Turkey complained about the engines and the imaging system.
    ---
    In general, in place of Heron, Turkey announced a new drone - ANKA "Phoenix" developed by TAI.
    Those. competitor of Bayraktara firm.
    ---
    As you can see, the work of a talented engineer was not going very well.
    Suddenly, everything miraculously changed.
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    In 2015, Bayraktar married the daughter of Erdogan.
    35 year old talent still found its half.
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    After that, his affairs went steeply uphill, as if an invisible hand (not in vain studied in the USA) began to help Selchuk in creating drones, so fortunately that the drones of Israel and the USA went somewhere in the shade.
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    Bayraktar’s drones were more than ever needed for Erdogan’s immoderate ambitions.
    It was as if the Almighty himself had sent Bayraktara to Erdogan so that Recep would realize his Sultan, neo-Ottoman dreams.
    As if pushing him forward, revive the neo-Ottoman Empire.
    they are equipped with components imported from abroad. ”

    These include the engine, satellite communications system and payload.
    The payload is presumably missiles with homing heads. At the end of the Idlib company, it was reported that the Turks had these missiles running out and they seemed to even turn to the United States for help.
    ---
    It is possible that the United States not only launched Turkey on the neo-Ottoman path, but also handed them an “scimitar” in the form of “Bayraktar”.
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    Otherwise, it is not clear why Turkey (which cannot be denied commercial acumen) refuses to sell its product abroad.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 2 July 2020 23: 19 New
      -1
      In 2015, Bayraktar married the daughter of Erdogan.
      35 year old talent still found its half.


      Something this reminds me, but damn well, how is it - Sylvan!
      1. flicker
        flicker 3 July 2020 00: 33 New
        +2
        Sylvan
        Yes, he also married successfully yes
  20. stone
    stone 2 July 2020 19: 02 New
    +2
    And why do Turkish drones need Azerbaijan in general if they bought more advanced Israeli drones, moreover in assortment ?! request
    1. Cetron
      Cetron 2 July 2020 22: 05 New
      +2
      In Israeli, everything is written in Yiddish, you need to translate! And in the Turkish at home: my mother will not distinguish azer from Turk.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 3 July 2020 06: 31 New
      -1
      Good question !!!!!!!!!!!! So I thought!
  21. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 3 July 2020 15: 05 New
    -2
    Quote: SanichSan
    Quote: KURT330
    Regarding the Shell, 23 were declared.

    How much is confirmed?

    But the Bayraktarov, reliably inundated in Libya (WITH PHOTO CONFIRMATION OF ME) counted
    18 pieces
  22. svoit
    svoit 3 July 2020 19: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: Victor Sergeev
    Yes, what are you saying? Have you seen our electronics?

    I watched the video with the analysis of the black box shot down by the Turks of our plane. I was very surprised by the presence of Chinese memory. Since then, I did not understand, did the data read from them or is everyone pulling?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 3 July 2020 20: 48 New
      0
      These Su-24s were launched in the 80s. You do not know?