Loss results? Turkey refuses to sell Bayraktar drones

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Ankara is ready to export to Azerbaijan only reconnaissance and strike Drones Anka. At the same time, the Bayraktar TB2 UAV, which was actively used in Syria and Libya, cannot be sold to Baku.

West will not allow?


This was reported by the Azerbaijani publication Azeridefence, referring to a statement by an anonymous source. According to him, the difficulties in exporting UAVs of the Bayraktar TB2 and Karayel-SU types are caused by the “stuffing” of these machines - “they are equipped with components imported from abroad”.



These include the engine, satellite communications system and payload. These products are manufactured in Western countries, which must give permission for their transfer to a third party. However, according to a source at Azeridefence, past experience shows that getting approval will be difficult.

Bayraktar was actively used by Ankara during military operations in Syria and Libya this year. Judging by the headlines dazzled on the pages of the Turkish and Western press, the drone showed itself “in all its glory”. Allegedly, due to air strikes, the score of the destroyed Pantsir-S air defense missiles went to the tens.

However, Defense Arabic, citing Ment Defense, points out that according to Turkish sources, ““aviation Turkey has destroyed nine systems of this type in recent months. ”



Do you need such a horse yourself?


At the same time, according to expert estimates of Lostarmour, Ankara lost at least 14 units of Bayraktar TB2. It is possible that many more drones were destroyed. At least at the peak moment of the confrontation with Assad’s troops, it was announced that they would deploy accelerated UAV production.

As can be assumed, Turkey does not really want to sell the Bayraktar party to Azerbaijan due to the need to make up for losses in their park. Moreover, given the growing escalation of the conflict. In any case, previously there were no problems with the export of this UAV. So, in October 2019, when it was all about active battles, the delivery of six Bayraktarov purchased by Ukraine was completed.

Bayraktar, judging by the experience of conducting military operations in Syria and Libya, is the main workhorse of Turkish aviation. The proposed Anka Baku was not used so intensively, although it is much more massive and capable of carrying 200 kg of payload with a weight of 1600 kg (Bayraktar - 55 kg with a mass of 650 kg). Apparently, the “Bayraktars” are really still equipped with the “stuffing” of Western production. But this does not affect the impossibility of exporting them, but the desire to replenish their own fleet with these machines.

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    1. +5
      2 July 2020 00: 42
      And then what is there bairaktarnogo except wheels?
      1. -15
        2 July 2020 09: 30
        The same can be said about Armata, and the Su-57, and in general all the weapons of Russia over the past 10 years. We do not produce normal electronics.
        1. 5-9
          +4
          2 July 2020 12: 37
          What specifically is not ours in the Su-57 and T-14?
          1. -8
            2 July 2020 12: 41
            Most electronics, and minus the comment will not save from the bitter truth. Xilinx processors, like the rest of the ECB, are mostly American. Maybe you can find me on ChipIdip ecb domestic production? Meets modern requirements and technologies, especially for the defense industry?
            1. -2
              2 July 2020 14: 18
              Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
              Maybe you can find me on ChipIdip ecb domestic production? Meets modern requirements and technologies, especially for the defense industry?


              In response, silence and cons set in impotent rage ...
              1. -3
                2 July 2020 15: 01
                This is a consequence of the "storm of patriotism." Cover your ears and say "I'm not listening to you, you're lying." Maybe people are just looking for our ekb sites? Just help me at work
            2. +3
              2 July 2020 15: 07
              How do you prove that there is chilin and not Elbrus?
              1. 0
                2 July 2020 15: 45
                Elbrus, like Baikal, is still damp as it shouldn't be. We don't even have a speech to switch to them from Xilinx. And the fact that you wrote "heelin", then I dare to assume that in electronics you do not understand anything.
                1. +3
                  2 July 2020 17: 14
                  I'm not special, it's true, but I'm interested in many things. As far as I know, in our country there are treble enterprises where microelectronics are produced and Elbrus is also different there. There are new versions, and there is something older.
                  The thing that surprises me is how confident you are proving the presence of foreign electronics. Do you install it yourself or are you the designer of this technique to know?
                  1. +3
                    3 July 2020 08: 47
                    Well, I'm not a constructor, I'm a developer and set up this equipment. Therefore, I speak with such confidence that I work directly with iron. Well, they produce it, only it does not fit in its characteristics to the requirements for the characteristics. And comments can be minus as many as you want. This will not save the truth from couch experts.
                    1. +1
                      3 July 2020 12: 19
                      But where then are they produced if they do not fit anywhere?
                      1. +1
                        3 July 2020 13: 53
                        I have no idea. It may be for some such devices where high performance and functionality are not required, and there are no rigid frames in terms of weight and dimensions. I’ll give you an example. We have one development for one aircraft, we are told to use domestic voltage generators and power supplies. We figured that if you use our components, the device will be 150 kg heavier than imported ones, only for a couple of items!
                    2. +1
                      3 July 2020 12: 33
                      If you really understand this and work with equipment. Then why don't you write an article about this.
                      To get more details, if there is a backlog, it should be eliminated, if something is not being produced then it’s settled. The army should not depend on anyone.
                      1. +1
                        3 July 2020 13: 56
                        I thought about it, but I have too little free time. Plus I need to attach some real documents and photos. And all this already has the status of secrecy. And to speak simply unfounded, it is possible only in the comments. In general, look at old articles, for sure there is something like that.
                        1. 0
                          15 July 2020 14: 47


                          wait, here are the characteristics of the UVSS which was developed for the SU-57, there is Elbrus.
            3. +2
              2 July 2020 15: 15
              And google laziness yourself? https://profperimetr.ru/category/otechestvennye-proizvoditeli-ekb/
              1. -1
                2 July 2020 15: 43
                This is just a supplier. I'm talking about what meets our requirements as developers. And this supplier is already buying from factories and each has the inscription "leader in the domestic market." Yeah. How many leaders I shoveled this week. Thanks for the link though. I have not seen some manufacturers.
            4. 0
              3 July 2020 18: 48
              Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
              Xilinx processors,


              Of course, I do not know what stands on the Su - 57, but I do not really understand why use foreign FPGAs when there are Russian ones?
              1. -1
                7 July 2020 10: 03
                They are still raw, or for us they are not quite applicable. And we have no talk about Baikal or Elbrus. R&D is needed to use our processors. And it takes time and money to check them in work. As far as I know, we do not have such R&D. Otherwise, everyone at work would be trumpeted about it. (The aftershockneews channel is for you. He just raised this topic. I’m sitting and watching it now. But he says too many positive things or doesn’t know the whole question.)
            5. +1
              3 July 2020 19: 22
              Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
              Xilinx processors, like the rest of the ECB, are mostly American. Maybe you can find me on ChipIdip ecb domestic production?

              https://www.soel.ru/novosti/2019/novye_rossiyskie_plis/
              Shop chipidip is not an indicator. I don’t understand who is buying there. There are no American components in the Su-57 electronics. No. There are Chinese components, capacitors, resistors, etc. But the integrated circuits are Russian. Yes, they are more expensive.
              1. -1
                7 July 2020 10: 01
                The chip and dip do not agree. But fairy tales about the fact that there are no American electronic components are not necessary. We even have Agilent Technologies measuring equipment. For you channel on YouTube aftershockneews. Just raised this topic. But he says too many things too positively or does not completely know the issue.
            6. +1
              3 July 2020 19: 31
              You speak as if it is something bad. Yes, the military-industrial complex is very fond of FPGAs, well, so the FPGAs themselves are just "blanks", roughly speaking. Xilinx isn't the only manufacturer. So now, nosebleed should be switched to domestic specialized DSPs?
              1. -1
                7 July 2020 10: 09
                Absolutely agree. Open architecture is everything. Sculpt what you want and how you need it for specific tasks. And the best enemy of the good. We are also not talking about DSP. But I'm talking more about ECBs that are mounted using surface mount. For you, the YouTube channel aftershockneews. Just raised this topic. But he says too many things too positively or does not completely know the issue.
            7. 0
              4 July 2020 00: 29
              Oil, gas, wood, what else do we need processors ??? Duck, this question needs to be asked to the dude who promised 200000 high-tech jobs!
            8. +1
              4 July 2020 00: 48
              Honestly, I have raised this question more than once (on other resources), but this site has nothing to do with technical issues, no authors of articles, no readers understand how microchips are made, so writing about XILINX ALTERA ATMEL and other FPGAs is like clever before monkeys. And so if you continue in the same vein, you will be banned because it is not customary to drip tar under uraicheskie tales.
        2. +5
          2 July 2020 15: 04
          Yes, what are you saying? Have you seen our electronics? It is bigger and heavier than a foreign one, I do not argue, but in connection with other requirements for duplication, we are tougher. How do you know what stands on Armata or Su57? With a probability of 99% there is domestic iron and OMS, maybe using a small number of foreign parts.
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          2. 0
            2 July 2020 15: 49
            Imagine that I’m working with her. Only duplication is now not quite what you understand. I personally see the iron that goes on airplanes and I can say the opposite, I import 99%. I do not argue about any displays or harnesses with our connectors. We even have boards coming from China. Because here they can not ensure high-quality production of boards here.
        3. 0
          2 July 2020 23: 09
          This is because you do not know anything on the subject, and therefore say so. There is a list of enterprises producing electronics for the military-industrial complex. But you didn’t even ask how it is in reality, right?
          1. 0
            3 July 2020 08: 54
            Yes, they are, of course, I do not argue, but apparently logic and attentiveness are not the strong point of sofa experts. Did you carefully read what I wrote? There are technical requirements for the device that it must issue. What frequencies to work at, performance, weight, dimensions. And our hardware cannot simply provide these characteristics of the device under development. It amazes me that there are no real electronics engineers and developers here, but there are only those who are "interested" and think that dofiga understand everything. Please open the ChipIdip website and see the electronics manufacturers, from which countries they are.
            1. -1
              4 July 2020 10: 22
              Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
              but apparently logic and mindfulness is not a strong point of couch experts.


              That you are apparently to yourself. And I got the status of a sofa just 4 years ago. And before that, more than a quarter of a century in the service in various assholes of Russia
              1. 0
                7 July 2020 10: 14
                So if you are not connected with real production, why bother with your incompetent opinion where you do not understand anything?
                1. -1
                  7 July 2020 13: 19
                  You climb there "where not with your ear." (P.)
                  Why am I unable to do this? I was interested in this question, asked questions from those who knew, and received adequate answers to questions.
                  1. 0
                    8 July 2020 13: 54
                    Here you are only interested, but not working. There is a difference? And with whom you spoke there, I do not know. Surely as interested as you. And I work with it directly. And I say that I see at home.
                    1. -1
                      8 July 2020 16: 40
                      No, not interested, but working in the military-industrial complex.
                      1. 0
                        8 July 2020 17: 06
                        Oh, already got a job. Quickly change shoes in the air, quickly. And I’m just now writing a feasibility study why it is impossible to use our ekb. Because it is antediluvian for aviation.
                        1. -1
                          8 July 2020 17: 11
                          Your understanding is poor. It also happens. However, it is not surprising.

                          Why I can’t do it because I’m interested in this issue, asked questions from those who know received adequate answers to questions.

                          Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
                          Surely as interested as you

                          No, not interested, but working in the military-industrial complex.
      2. +1
        2 July 2020 19: 46
        I remember that they poked me with their nose, which is cooler than the Turkish shaitans - an arba, only mattress ones))) And I asked a question - a full production cycle or a "crazy hands" designer? So the answer came - someone, somewhere said "no way" and the best "bayraktars" in the world landed abruptly. Anka is much larger, more expensive and less frequently used, it can be sold. But the engines there are "Motor Sich" - tomorrow the Washington Reich Chancellery will say "no" and read the first paragraph.
    2. +10
      2 July 2020 01: 09
      Since the beginning of the year in Libya, the Turks have lost 17 Bayraktar TV2 UAVs. More details here
      https://dronewars.net/drone-crash-database/
    3. -5
      2 July 2020 01: 13
      "Bayroktar" in Russian means "standard bearer". I think it's a good airplane for the war with the Papuans.
      1. 0
        2 July 2020 02: 24
        Is Russian armor a Papuan weapon for you? Those. did you call Russia Papuan?
        1. +2
          2 July 2020 04: 21
          Is Russian armor a Papuan weapon for you? Those. did you call Russia Papuan?

          Yes, he wrote just that.
          1. +13
            2 July 2020 06: 00
            Almost all lost Shells in Libya in hangars, on trawls or on the go. That is, stupidly in an inactive position. So he’s right you can’t give the Papuans such a technique.
            1. +4
              2 July 2020 07: 53
              Or Papuans operators)))
        2. 5-9
          0
          2 July 2020 12: 38
          This is not Russian, but the UAE-shny armor in Libya ... they are not Papuans?
        3. +1
          2 July 2020 15: 05
          Papuans are those who use Russian weapons. The Syrians have crooked hands and a head, so they always whine and scold technology.
          1. -1
            4 July 2020 10: 19
            Recently I watched the information on the study by the commission of the USSR Ministry of Defense in 1989 of the situation in the Syrian Air Force and Air Defense. So it turned out that the situation is the same for the Air Force and Air Defense. Serviceability is low. The technical descriptions of Soviet aircraft and air defense systems, in principle, did not translate into Arabic.
            I will clarify the transfer at the request of the country of the recipient BT. Fun...
    4. +2
      2 July 2020 01: 15
      And they can also impose sanctions on receiving components for Bayraktar against Turkey and will be left without them.
      1. 0
        2 July 2020 11: 40
        The only import component is some optics part. Bought in Canada, when Canadians joined the US sanctions, the Turks began to buy in China. Canada lifted sanctions last month. Shipments resumed.
      2. +1
        2 July 2020 15: 00
        And the Armenians are not sitting idly by. They pull for all the strings they can find. wink
    5. +4
      2 July 2020 01: 18
      [Quote
      Ankara is ready to export to Azerbaijan only Anka reconnaissance and strike drones. ] [/ quote]















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    6. +9
      2 July 2020 01: 27
      maybe hundreds of "Shell-S" destroyed))) as they said before - the paper will stand everything !!!!!!!!!!!!!
      and the Internet all the more ...
      1. -1
        2 July 2020 23: 12
        Reliably one Pantsyr is captured, the second is disabled in the hangar. all.
    7. +7
      2 July 2020 03: 04
      Perhaps the Turks realized that the advantage of a weapon is increased if it is only in the hands of its army. Otherwise, the enemy has a chance to reveal his weaknesses and adopt the strengths of such a technique. In addition, the Turks indicated success in the Libyan direction, where they will apparently concentrate maximum forces to break the enemy. So far, Russia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and France are acting separately and Turkey has high chances to squeeze them all out of Libya. But for only 200 years, France and the United States paid tribute to Turkish vassals.
      1. +6
        2 July 2020 09: 22
        The authorities of countries that think not of themselves, but of their power have a principle. First you need to provide your army, then strangers. Bayraktars have proved their effectiveness, in the Turks 3/4 of the country are mountains, coasts, islands. Without an UAV, all this is difficult to control. Almost all along the southern border there are counter-terrorist operations and expeditionary wars in two countries.
    8. -5
      2 July 2020 05: 11
      So let the Azerbaijani people buy bytractors from uk-roiny, pay them. ...later. .. lol and drones will get now lol ! In other words, the chairs are now, but there is no money, but you hold on there lol lol
      1. +4
        2 July 2020 09: 53
        "Azeri citizens"? What prevents you from writing the correct name, literacy or soul?
      2. +2
        2 July 2020 13: 08
        Quote: Thrifty
        So let the Azerbaijanis buy bytractors from uk-roiny, pay them. ...later. .

        But is the Azerbaijani UAV factory not capable of producing about 1000 vehicles a year? Turks can’t produce their drones on it, crowding out Israeli consumers?
    9. +5
      2 July 2020 06: 12
      The headline is loud, but stand up to prove it - only phrases
      As you might guess .... Apparently ....

      If there really are import-western components there, as an anonymous author writes, then from the fact that they gave permission to sell these UAVs, Ukraine does not at all conclude that the Turks will agree to sell them to Azerbaijan, and the whole situation has a simple explanation without conspiracy theories.
    10. -7
      2 July 2020 06: 27
      And we don’t have anything, because Reshals have settled in science
      1. -3
        2 July 2020 23: 14
        But you are illiterate to the head patam and do not know how it really is ...
    11. +4
      2 July 2020 08: 31
      "capable of carrying 200 kg of payload with a weight of 1600 kg (Bayraktar - 55 kg with a mass of 650 kg)." Initially, the declared payload figures are deliberately underestimated. But in the last month they openly say that the payload of Bayraktar is 150 kg At the expense of the sale, it turned out that the area of ​​application of these devices increased. Previously, they were used in Iraq, in Syria, over the islands on the border with Greece, in the region of Cyprus (a UAV base was created there), now Libya has also been added. Therefore, the Turks have increased the pace of production, and decided to temporarily not sell Bayraktar to other countries. They themselves say that the Bayraktar fleet will be brought to 200 units.
      1. +1
        2 July 2020 09: 12
        150 kg is a direct bust, I still believe 100 kg, due to the reduction of fuel and all parameters. And where did you read about it?
        1. +3
          2 July 2020 09: 29
          In Turkey’s TV programs, during conversations of military experts. Over the past month, I saw 4 times talking in different channels about 150 kg of payload. We emphasized that the weight of weapons can be in the region of 70-75 kg.
          1. +1
            2 July 2020 09: 31
            Thanks, got it. With this logic, it’s possible. Can't hear about Akinchi?
            1. +4
              2 July 2020 09: 44
              Bloggers said that Akinchi made another test flight, reaching an altitude of 15 + km, but they are silent about it in Baikar, they do not disclose it (there are no other sources for checking this info yet). smart bombs (KGK) -MK-82 on target from a distance of 28 km ..
              1. +1
                2 July 2020 09: 51
                So the next year is not worth the wait in the series, more meaning has appeared in increasing the amount of TB2.
                1. +1
                  2 July 2020 10: 10
                  Akıncı is almost ready for the series, but it’s connected with testing the radar with the “Active Electronic Scanning Array” (AESA). These tests will end by the end of 2020. According to the initial plan, the UAV will mount the radar at the end of 2021. Most likely they will begin serial production of Akındzha earlier, expecting only radar by the end of 2021. Logically, they will hand over the serial product to the aircraft in 2022.
                  1. +2
                    2 July 2020 10: 20
                    OK, we will see. An interesting UAV, even if they realize half of the promise.
                    1. +1
                      2 July 2020 10: 38
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEec_EbJgfU&t=65s Процесс создания и испытаний.Интересный документальный фильм.Я посмотрел,и пришел к выводу,что с таким подходом они способны создать все намеченное.
                      1. +3
                        2 July 2020 10: 48
                        Well thank you. I have no doubt that they can, they know how to work in Turkey.
    12. +1
      2 July 2020 09: 51
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      Since the beginning of the year in Libya, the Turks have lost 17 Bayraktar TV2 UAVs. More details here
      https://dronewars.net/drone-crash-database/

      Very little. Drones and created in order to lose them, hundreds, thousands, millions. This is a different tactic.
      1. +2
        2 July 2020 10: 13
        Well, a little bit wrong, rather, they can work when the manned planes are recalled. When 2 Assad aircraft were shot down, they stopped flying, when the bayraktars shot down, they did not stop flights.
      2. +1
        2 July 2020 14: 27
        Quote: imobile2008
        Drones and created in order to lose them, hundreds, thousands, millions.

        But there are dozens of them in the troops, not hundreds and thousands ... request think about it, 2 weeks of use in Syria, 14 confirmed losses, and Turkey can no longer export shock UAVs and is forced to mass production. and pleasure is not cheap.
        1. -2
          3 July 2020 11: 54
          Turks say Bayraktar can be bought very cheaply for 5 million bucks. Comparable in terms of performance characteristics, Tsesna-172 (Well, at least at least) is new for 300-500 thousand bucks. Aeroprakt A-22 is new - about 90 thousand Baku. What is typical on it is exactly the same Rotax. The Ukrainian set of 6 Bayraktarov, 200 TSA, 2 control complexes pulled 69 million bucks
          1. 0
            4 July 2020 17: 48
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Turks say Bayraktar can be bought very cheaply for 5 million bucks.

            for a consumable for 1 flight into the air defense coverage area? somehow not cheap ... but if there is no air defense then norms.
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Aeroprakt A-22 is new - about 90 thousand Baku.
            a strange comparison ... civilians and then what? Yes, and with the pilot ... are you talking about what you can do cheap gliders? Well, yes, but their combat value is more than dubious wink
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            The Ukrainian set of 6 Bayraktarov, 200 TSA, 2 control complexes pulled 69 million bucks

            as you remember, the APU also had normal planes, but somehow it didn’t help request What will the 6 UAVs change?
            1. 0
              4 July 2020 18: 09
              Quote: SanichSan
              What will the 6 UAVs change?

              nothing
              for a consumable for 1 flight into the air defense coverage area? somehow not cheap ... but if there is no air defense then norms.

              It turns out that so
    13. -2
      2 July 2020 10: 30
      Quote: Oquzyurd
      What prevents you from writing "naming" correctly


      - nothing personal .. but inviting the other person to write correctly !! at least it’s necessary to write him a sentence about it correctly)
      1. +4
        2 July 2020 12: 19
        I am excusable, I am not Russian, and I do not pretend to be literate, but I am writing the names of countries and peoples correctly.
    14. +1
      2 July 2020 11: 34
      [/ quote] The difficulties in exporting UAVs of the Bayraktar TB2 and Karayel-SU types are caused by the “filling” of these machines - “they are equipped with components imported from abroad.” [quote]

      Well, it does not fit somehow))
      After all, Ukraine was sold and no problems.
      Turkey itself proposed these UAVs to Azerbaijan at the expense of its loan.
      At the extreme, reconnaissance may well turn into drums "with one small movement of the hand."
      I can even say whose hand))
    15. +1
      2 July 2020 11: 36
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      Since the beginning of the year in Libya, the Turks have lost 17 Bayraktar TV2 UAVs. More details here
      https://dronewars.net/drone-crash-database/

      Quite a true figure. Regarding the Shell, 23 were declared.
      1. 0
        2 July 2020 14: 29
        Quote: KURT330
        Regarding the Shell, 23 were declared.

        How much is confirmed?
        1. -2
          2 July 2020 23: 16
          two reliably.
          1. -1
            3 July 2020 20: 44
            True, it hurts into the eyes and minusers?
    16. +1
      2 July 2020 12: 01
      Quote: Grazdanin
      150 kg is a direct bust, I still believe 100 kg, due to the reduction of fuel and all parameters. And where did you read about it?

      Take a look at this link.
      The carrying capacity is indicated as 150 kg.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiMTyPoKj1c
    17. 0
      2 July 2020 15: 01
      Turkish there is only the brand of the manufacturer.
      1. +2
        2 July 2020 18: 26
        No, you got a brand lol .Know that serially admit, sell cheaply)
    18. -1
      2 July 2020 15: 06
      Is there evidence for nine shells? "3,14 to take clothes off do not roll bags" as they say :)
      1. -1
        2 July 2020 18: 28
        And they are gentlemen, they believe each other's word. In war, the main thing is not to destroy, but to report.
      2. -2
        2 July 2020 23: 17
        There are no confirmations, there are muddy cartoons. To the Turks we will change the director of the director and the artists at the same time ...
        1. 0
          3 July 2020 20: 35
          minusers, but it’s burning for you
      3. +1
        3 July 2020 20: 46
        No. Two, just two. Really. But the local deceitful "Turks" have stuck to you cons
        1. +1
          3 July 2020 21: 03
          These are not Turks, but local Urki lol
          I like one place at their disadvantages, I just write, I always have a lot of minuses but there are pluses.
    19. +3
      2 July 2020 15: 45
      Turkey refuses to sell Bayraktar drones. Loss results?
      You can’t sell what doesn’t belong to you.
      ---
      For a long time "vague doubts tormented".
      ---
      Selcuk Bayraktar - engineer, creator of drones.
      Graduated from Istanbul Technical University 2002.
      It is unlikely that Turkey can be called the homeland of drones.
      Accordingly, the Technical University of Istanbul is not able to graduate any strong specialists in this field.
      And so the further training of Selchuk at the University of Pennsylvania and the Massachusetts Institute seemed quite reasonable.
      ---
      But despite the excellent education, Bayraktar for a long time could hardly surprise Turkish defense experts.
      Those. drones did not inspire confidence.
      ---
      In 2006, Turkey ordered 10 unarmed Heron drones from Israel (by the way, one of the leading drone makers (along with the United States).
      Israel delivered these drones to Turkey 5 years later, that is 2011. But Turkey complained about the engines and the imaging system.
      ---
      In general, to replace Heron, Turkey unveiled a new drone - ANKA "Phoenix" developed by TAI.
      Those. competitor of Bayraktara firm.
      ---
      As you can see, the work of a talented engineer was not going very well.
      Suddenly, everything miraculously changed.
      ---
      In 2015, Bayraktar married the daughter of Erdogan.
      35 year old talent still found its half.
      ---
      After that, his affairs went steeply uphill, as if an invisible hand (not in vain studied in the USA) began to help Selchuk in creating drones, so fortunately that the drones of Israel and the USA went somewhere in the shade.
      ---
      Bayraktar’s drones were more than ever needed for Erdogan’s immoderate ambitions.
      It was as if the Almighty himself had sent Bayraktara to Erdogan so that Recep would realize his Sultan, neo-Ottoman dreams.
      As if pushing him forward, revive the neo-Ottoman Empire.
      they are equipped with components imported from abroad. ”

      These include the engine, satellite communications system and payload.
      The payload is presumably missiles with homing heads. At the end of the Idlib company, it was reported that the Turks had these missiles running out and they seemed to even turn to the United States for help.
      ---
      It is quite possible that the United States not only turned Turkey on the neo-Ottoman path, but also handed them a "yatagan" in the form of "Bayraktar".
      ---
      Otherwise, it is not clear why Turkey (which cannot be denied commercial acumen) refuses to sell its product abroad.
      1. -1
        2 July 2020 23: 19
        In 2015, Bayraktar married the daughter of Erdogan.
        35 year old talent still found its half.


        Something this reminds me, but damn well, how is it - Sylvan!
        1. +2
          3 July 2020 00: 33
          Sylvan
          Yes, he also married successfully Yes
    20. +2
      2 July 2020 19: 02
      And why do Turkish drones need Azerbaijan in general if they bought more advanced Israeli drones, moreover in assortment ?! request
      1. +2
        2 July 2020 22: 05
        In Israeli, everything is written in Yiddish, you need to translate! And in the Turkish at home: my mother will not distinguish azer from Turk.
      2. -1
        3 July 2020 06: 31
        Good question !!!!!!!!!!!! So I thought!
    21. -2
      3 July 2020 15: 05
      Quote: SanichSan
      Quote: KURT330
      Regarding the Shell, 23 were declared.

      How much is confirmed?

      But the Bayraktarov, reliably inundated in Libya (WITH PHOTO CONFIRMATION OF ME) counted
      18 pieces
    22. +1
      3 July 2020 19: 51
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Yes, what are you saying? Have you seen our electronics?

      I watched the video with the analysis of the black box shot down by the Turks of our plane. I was very surprised by the presence of Chinese memory. Since then, I did not understand, did the data read from them or is everyone pulling?
      1. 0
        3 July 2020 20: 48
        These Su-24s were launched in the 80s. You do not know?

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