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From sovereignty to constitutional amendments: what referenda were held in Russia

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On July 1, a nationwide vote on constitutional amendments takes place in Russia. This is not the first such referendum (if you can call it that) in stories our country.


The concept of a referendum as a nationwide poll was first enshrined eighty-odd years ago in the "Stalinist" Constitution of the USSR in 1936. However, almost throughout the entire existence of the Soviet state, all-union referenda were not held in it. The exception was the only referendum on March 17, 1991. Citizens of the USSR had to answer the question of the need to preserve the Soviet Union itself.

75,44% of USSR citizens with the right to vote participated in the voting, while 76,4% of the referendum participants voted for the preservation of the Union - the vast majority. But the will of Soviet citizens did not become an obstacle to the collapse of the USSR in December 1991, less than a year after the referendum. Then ordinary citizens saw: the real political decisions of the power elites do not depend on their opinion and expression of will.

Referendum peak at the dawn of post-Soviet Russia sovereignty


Interestingly, the first referendum in the history of modern Russia took place simultaneously with a vote on the fate of the Soviet Union: on March 17, 1991, the inhabitants of the RSFSR had to answer the question of the advisability of introducing the post of president of Russia. Of the 75,09% of the inhabitants of the RSFSR participating in the referendum, 69,895% supported the introduction of the presidency. And unlike the preservation of the Soviet Union, the introduction of the presidency became a reality.

The next referendum took place two years later, already in sovereign Russia. The spring of 1993 was already a period of confrontation between President Boris Yeltsin and the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation. In order to demonstrate the opposition allegedly popular support for Yeltsin, a referendum was held on April 25, 1993. At it, Russian citizens were asked 4 questions: about trusting President Yeltsin (58,66% of those who trusted him trusted him), about approving the country's socio-economic policy (53,04% of the citizens spoke for continuing the reform policy), and about early presidential elections (they were in favor 49,49%, that is, a minority) and about the early elections of people's deputies (67,16% of those who came to the polls voted for the re-election of the parliament).

Thus, the results of the referendum were beneficial to President Yeltsin and his entourage and allowed them to argue that the current policy enjoyed the support of most Russians. The confrontation between Yeltsin and the Supreme Council, as you know, led to the tragedy of "black October" in 1993.

Two months after the execution of parliament, on December 12, 1993, a new referendum took place. It was held in parallel with the elections to the newly formed legislative body - the State Duma of the Russian Federation. Russian citizens were offered to approve or not approve the draft new Constitution of the Russian Federation. But only 54,79% of the country's citizens who had the right to vote came to the polling stations, while 58,42% of those who voted for the draft Constitution. Thus, even if the possibility of manipulation of votes is excluded, in reality, only a little more than a quarter of adult Russians supported the basic law of the country.

Interestingly, the Federal Constitutional Law “On the Referendum of the Russian Federation” itself was adopted after two fundamental referenda took place - in October 1995. In accordance with this law, the referendum required the initiative of at least 2 million Russian citizens.

Referenda in Russia and the former Soviet Union


Since 1993, referendums in the Russian Federation were no longer held. The power vertical gradually strengthened, the country's leadership was less and less needed to create the appearance of popular support through referenda. Referendum initiatives were rejected. So, no referendum was held on such a vital issue as raising the retirement age.

As for the other post-Soviet republics, referenda also took place in them. So, in Ukraine, referenda were held twice - the first time in 1991 on the independence of the country, the second time - in 2000 on changing the Constitution. But the Verkhovna Rada refused to approve the results of the second referendum, so there were no amendments to the Ukrainian constitution.

In Belarus, referendums were held three times and all times - at the initiative of President Alexander Lukashenko. For the first time, Belarusians voted in 1995 to give the Russian language the status of the state language, for a new symbolism of the country and on two other issues, the second time in 1996 on a number of points, the third time in 2004 for President Lukashenko’s right to run for president several times state. In Kazakhstan, referenda were held twice in 1995, in Uzbekistan in 1991, 1995 and 2002, in Azerbaijan in 1991 and 1993, and Kyrgyzstan can be called the real record holder: referenda were held here in 1994, 1996, 1998, 2003, 2007, 2010, 2016



Currently, the referendum is considered as the highest form of popular expression. However, the turnout threshold for the popular vote, including the amendments to the Constitution, is absent, which looks, to put it mildly, strange.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 1 July 2020 14: 11 New
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    Currently, the referendum is considered as the highest form of popular expression. However, the turnout threshold for the popular vote, including the amendments to the Constitution, is absent, which looks, to put it mildly, strange.

    There is nothing strange about this. It’s just a formality, a kind of report to the West, they say we have democracy .. in fact the people haven’t decided anything for a long time, but they are holding events that would remain handshake in the west .. otherwise the democrats might be tempted to take back the overpretentized our liberals ..
    For this reason, they are forced to suffer the poor, and so long ago they would have declared Putin king ... would have divided everything according to estates and would have lived happily .. however, in many ways it already is ..
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 1 July 2020 14: 24 New
      +7
      Quote: Svarog
      but they are holding such events as to remain shaking hands in the west .. otherwise the Western democrats may be tempted to take over the excessively acquired from our liberals ..

      The most important thing is that this “excessively acquired” is a powerful lever of pressure on the current government.
      Threat. alternative vote http://derzhava.su/derjava/poll/poll__guest_no_cert.php?p=1707
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 1 July 2020 14: 27 New
        +5
        Quote: Malyuta
        Quote: Svarog
        but they are holding such events as to remain shaking hands in the west .. otherwise the Western democrats may be tempted to take over the excessively acquired from our liberals ..

        The most important thing is that this “excessively acquired” is a powerful lever of pressure on the current government.
        Threat. alternative vote http://derzhava.su/derjava/poll/poll__guest_no_cert.php?p=1707

        Naturally, it is for this reason that trillions of dollars are being withdrawn into the economy of the “partners” and that is why we are playing the role of a raw materials appendage ..
    2. aglet
      aglet 1 July 2020 17: 33 New
      0
      "For this reason, they have to suffer the poor, and so long ago they would have declared Putin the king .. would divide everything according to the estates and live happily .. however in many ways it already is .."
      but what, right now, wrong?
    3. Smoke
      Smoke 2 July 2020 15: 15 New
      -3
      complete nonsense
  2. iouris
    iouris 1 July 2020 14: 15 New
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    "The minority is sometimes right; the majority is always wrong."
    All amendments are introduced by the law on the budget of the Russian Federation, for “the law can never be higher than the economic system and the cultural development of society resulting from it” (K. Marx and F. Engels banned in the Russian Federation).
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 1 July 2020 14: 21 New
      -8
      Who forbade Marx and Engels, why are you rubbish?
      1. TAMBU
        TAMBU 1 July 2020 14: 29 New
        +9
        The Volga District Military Court ruled to destroy a copy of the book “Capital” by the German economist Karl Marx, which was found as a “means of committing a crime” in the criminal case file of the so-called “Network” organization (by the decision of the Moscow Regional Military Court of January 17, 2019, the “Network” was recognized a terrorist organization, its activities are prohibited in Russia.)
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 1 July 2020 15: 04 New
          +6
          Make the fool read the BIBLE !!! Even a spiritualized fool is dumb, but it can turn out something worse.
        2. aglet
          aglet 1 July 2020 17: 35 New
          0
          !!!. survived
        3. Ros 56
          Ros 56 2 July 2020 05: 35 New
          -1
          So fools, even in the robes of judges, no one has forbidden. Do not confuse the Network with Marx.
  3. Ros 56
    Ros 56 1 July 2020 14: 19 New
    -23
    Well, dear visitors, have voted for the amendments? I personally yes, back on Sunday.
    1. Nick
      Nick 1 July 2020 14: 24 New
      -24
      Quote: Ros 56
      Well, dear visitors, have voted for the amendments? I personally yes, back on Sunday.

      Everyone who is not intellectually modest and not an enemy of Russia will vote or have already voted "For"
      1. iouris
        iouris 1 July 2020 14: 30 New
        +8
        Intelligent modest people do not campaign on election day.
        1. Nick
          Nick 1 July 2020 14: 50 New
          -20
          Quote: iouris
          Intelligent modest people do not campaign on election day.

          It seems so? And I? wink
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 1 July 2020 15: 44 New
          -9
          This is not an election, agitation is not forbidden.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 1 July 2020 15: 52 New
            11
            FKZ "On the referendum" read ...
            1. aglet
              aglet 1 July 2020 17: 37 New
              -1
              "FKZ" On the referendum "read ..."
              and where does the referendum
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 1 July 2020 21: 17 New
                +2
                Quote: aglet
                and where does the referendum

                and where does the vote? CEC?
          2. AUL
            AUL 1 July 2020 22: 00 New
            +6
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            This is not an election, agitation is not forbidden.

            And in the circus even welcomed!
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta 1 July 2020 14: 33 New
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        Quote: Nick
        Everyone who is not intellectually modest and not an enemy of Russia will vote or have already voted "For"

        I am very sorry hi but oh oh you are cunning zaputintsy, with your approaches wassat Are you already all those who are against the enemies of Russia recorded? In this case, we will write you as partners in the looting of the country.
        How do you like this prospect? wink
        1. Nick
          Nick 1 July 2020 14: 51 New
          -28
          Quote: Malyuta
          Quote: Nick
          Everyone who is not intellectually modest and not an enemy of Russia will vote or have already voted "For"

          I am very sorry hi but oh oh you are cunning zaputintsy, with your approaches wassat Are you already all those who are against the enemies of Russia recorded? In this case, we will write you as partners in the looting of the country.
          How do you like this prospect? wink

          Yes, write what you want, the paper will bear. Moreover, you are an enemy of Russia.
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 1 July 2020 14: 56 New
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            Quote: Nick
            Yes, write what you want, the paper will bear. Moreover, you are an enemy of Russia.

            Do you understand that you are carrying game or this is not given to you?
            Who gave you the right to record me as an enemy of my homeland? Yes, I do not like Putin and his shobla, but they are not my homeland, but people who accidentally surfaced and rape my country, only people like you do not want to understand this and see the obvious. Duc, it will be with you. hi
            1. Nick
              Nick 1 July 2020 15: 02 New
              -30
              Quote: Malyuta
              Who gave you the right to record me as an enemy of my homeland?

              I don’t know where is your homeland, maybe you are a rootless cosmopolitan, but the fact that you are against indexing the minimum wage and pensions to the Russians, that you are for tearing pieces of its territory from Russia, that you are for letting the pederasts officially it was allowed to create families, says that you are an enemy of Russia.
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta 1 July 2020 15: 12 New
                +7
                Quote: Nick
                says that you are an enemy of Russia.


                I am basically against ebnoputinism, and you are for it, then the ENEMY is you! point!
                1. Nick
                  Nick 1 July 2020 15: 16 New
                  -23
                  Quote: Malyuta
                  I am basically against ebnoputinism, and you are for it, then the ENEMY is you! point!

                  Yes pah on you.
                  1. Malyuta
                    Malyuta 1 July 2020 15: 25 New
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                    Quote: Nick
                    Yes pah on you.

                    So the authorities say so, fie on the people, but the return will arrive anyway.
                    1. Nick
                      Nick 1 July 2020 15: 42 New
                      -18
                      Quote: Malyuta
                      So the authorities say so, pah on the people

                      And more specifically, without demagogic statements. What kind of power, what kind of people, who says what. I just see from Putin that I care about people. Nirazu did not hear from him "fie on the people." If you heard a reference to the studio.
                      1. Malyuta
                        Malyuta 1 July 2020 15: 49 New
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                        Quote: Nick
                        Nirazu did not hear from him "fie on the people." If you heard a reference to the studio.

                        He barked very sweetly; he raised the retirement age! the rest of the "grubs" I even bring laziness.
                        PS. And just do not have to cart about penny now. age in the "foreign country", there and the growth of "survival" higher and higher pensions at times !!!
                      2. Nick
                        Nick 1 July 2020 15: 57 New
                        -18
                        Quote: Malyuta
                        He barked very nicely, raised the retirement age

                        Well, to be precise and objective, the Medvedev government prepared the law on raising the retirement age, and adopted the State Duma, which is constitutionally necessary. Putin just persuaded the Duma to soften this law and make appropriate amendments. So here you are wrong, Putin just showed concern for people here.
                      3. Malyuta
                        Malyuta 1 July 2020 16: 12 New
                        +6
                        Quote: Nick
                        So here you are wrong, Putin just showed concern for people here.

                        In the morning I smear a sandwich -
                        Immediately thought: what about the people?
                        And the caviar does not climb into the throat,
                        And compote does not pour into your mouth!
                        Putinism grave digger of Russia!
                        I have already laid out therefore for you about the village https://youtu.be/4iKE4DmWd1w
                        but about education https://youtu.be/25CsDqBWteg
                      4. Nick
                        Nick 2 July 2020 01: 29 New
                        -5
                        Quote: Malyuta
                        Putinism grave digger of Russia!

                        That's it! Putin's constitutional amendments scored nearly 78 percent. The people think that you are wrong. There is nothing more to argue about.
              2. krops777
                krops777 2 July 2020 12: 54 New
                -3
                So the authorities say so, fie on the people, but the return will arrive anyway.


                77% of those who supported amendments to the constitution just support V.V. Putin and you can be sure that they will not allow answers from people like you, and you can keep conspiracy therapies with you.
        2. TAMBU
          TAMBU 1 July 2020 15: 14 New
          +1
          in the amendments, not only that ...
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      3. parusnik
        parusnik 1 July 2020 16: 01 New
        +7
        Who gave you the right to record me as an enemy of my homeland?
        .... He has a certificate for this is written in a book ... Checked ... laughing
      4. Arlen
        Arlen 1 July 2020 16: 54 New
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        Quote: Malyuta
        Do you understand that you are carrying game or this is not given to you?

        good
        Yesterday, Tatyana wrote in an article "Kadyrov took the initiative for a" lifelong "presidency for Vladimir Putin" https://topwar.ru/172663-kadyrov-vystupil-s-iniciativoj-o-pozhiznennom-prezidentstve-dlja-vladimira-putina.html # comment-id-10553889 a comment in which she pointed out the 20th amendment to the Constitution to Article 95. So, one “tank jacket” is her for the truth! we can say that he almost blamed his work on the enemies of Russia !!! I mean that they do not understand and do not see who and where are the enemies of our country, and where are the patriots of Russia.

        P.S. Yesterday my political theory opponent and just my friend Stroporez called me. He asked me to convey my fiery greetings to all my friends and like-minded people!
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 1 July 2020 21: 45 New
          -2
          Quote: Arlen
          P.S. Yesterday, my political theory opponent called me and just my friend Stroporez. He asked me to convey my fiery greetings to all my friends and like-minded people!

          "Tell me who your friend is, and I will tell you who you are," there is such a saying. wink
          But the people voted and the amendments will be adopted.
          And this is a fiery hello to those who are against amendments. tongue
          1. Arlen
            Arlen 2 July 2020 08: 34 New
            +3
            Quote: Tank Hard
            And this is a fiery hello to those who are against amendments

            Thanks for hi drinks
          2. Observer2014
            Observer2014 4 July 2020 09: 15 New
            -5
            It was fun to see how Russia's main liberal strikes at liberalism in Russia laughing Especially to tears in the ninth minute was good To tears! wassat laughing
            Here is the answer.
            And for a snack

            This is where the “concern for the Russian people” comes from, and we have what we have.
      5. Ros 56
        Ros 56 2 July 2020 05: 45 New
        -3
        In addition to verbal chatter on the case, there is something to say? We also do not like much, but this is not a reason to throw tantrums.
    2. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 1 July 2020 15: 13 New
      20
      Quote: Nick
      Yes, write what you want, the paper will bear. Moreover, you are an enemy of Russia.

      Little honey, can I have a few questions?
      1. Will you argue that privatization was essentially a theft in especially large ones?
      2. Will you argue that theft is punishable under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?
      3. Do you remember who, acting as a guarantor, said - thieves would not be planted?
      4. Do you disagree with the fact that the criminal who covers thieves is essentially a criminal himself?
      5. And how do you feel like an accomplice to thieves? Voting for the roofing thieves' fraternity, you yourself seem to join them. Or do you approve of life according to thieves' rules?
      6. Well, the last. Give an example of at least one country that has achieved prosperity by robbing its population, and exporting the loot abroad.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 1 July 2020 21: 55 New
        -2
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Little honey, can I have a few questions?
        1. Will you argue that privatization was essentially a theft in especially large ones?
        2. Will you argue that theft is punishable under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?
        3. Do you remember who, acting as a guarantor, said - thieves would not be planted?
        4. Do you disagree with the fact that the criminal who covers thieves is essentially a criminal himself?
        5. And how do you feel like an accomplice to thieves? Voting for the roofing thieves' fraternity, you yourself seem to join them. Or do you approve of life according to thieves' rules?
        6. Well, the last. Give an example of at least one country that has achieved prosperity by robbing its population, and exporting the loot abroad.

        Worth a look at the video
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Laponka

  4. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 1 July 2020 15: 15 New
    -20
    Open notepad and write me down
    And my family, we are all FOR
    Just remember, scribe, our proud Varangian does not surrender to the enemy soldierI can give only 5.45. Well, you understand me.
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  • ximkim
    ximkim 1 July 2020 16: 13 New
    +5
    Quote: Nick
    Quote: Ros 56
    Well, dear visitors, have voted for the amendments? I personally yes, back on Sunday.

    Everyone who is not intellectually modest and not an enemy of Russia will vote or have already voted "For"

    Soon we will find out the percentage of "not enemies" ..
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 2 July 2020 05: 38 New
    -1
    I considered the cons to us as pluses and I am surprised how many limited minds graze here, who have put on political blinders and do not see anything else around.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 1 July 2020 14: 25 New
    11
    Quote: Ros 56
    Well, dear visitors, have voted for the amendments? I personally yes, back on Sunday.

    You can be congratulated .. now we will live! When do you think the positive changes will begin?
    1. iouris
      iouris 1 July 2020 14: 29 New
      -16
      Quote: Svarog
      When do you think the positive changes will begin?

      Do you think negative changes are still possible?
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 1 July 2020 14: 31 New
        14
        Quote: iouris
        Quote: Svarog
        When do you think the positive changes will begin?

        Do you think negative changes are still possible?

        Naturally, there is not a single prerequisite for a positive .. if you think that is, please share. People are the same, the economy is the same, oil is at lows .. Prices are rising, tariffs are rising, unemployment is rising, ZP is in place .. stability is damn ..
        1. codetalker
          codetalker 1 July 2020 14: 43 New
          -21
          Speak for yourself. I sn only grows from year to year :)
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 1 July 2020 16: 03 New
            +9
            So it grows in everyone, in different proportions ... you will not believe it and in the 90s it grew ...
            1. codetalker
              codetalker 1 July 2020 16: 11 New
              -2
              Well, the friend above considers that sn stands still. And he declares this in the spirit: "it is like that for everyone."
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 1 July 2020 16: 58 New
                +4
                You didn’t carefully read: in different proportions, if he raised his salary by 100 rubles, then his indignation is understandable ... for everyone it’s different ... when a person has a salary of 17 and increased by 000%, it will not grow to 2 when 100 000 and the same, say 80% the difference is significant ...
                1. codetalker
                  codetalker 1 July 2020 17: 41 New
                  0
                  No, I carefully read you and understood everything. This is a conversation that everyone has his own way. And I sincerely wish everyone to have a better material side. But you can’t help a lie.
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 1 July 2020 18: 05 New
                    +5
                    Quote: codetalker
                    But you can’t help a lie.

                    That's it, and you don’t need to do lies here ..
                    According to the results of 2019, the real cash income of Russians grew by 0,8%, follows from the data of Rosstat.

                    Read more at RBC:
                    https://www.rbc.ru/economics/28/01/2020/5e3029af9a7947bfdf905653
                    Real incomes of citizens increased by 0,8% And inflation, again, according to the same Rosstat 3% ... By not complicated (for a smart person) actions, you can assess nationwide what is happening with the RFP.
                    And for the future, before blaming lies, master at least math ..
                    In the meantime, a solid minus to you.
                    1. codetalker
                      codetalker 1 July 2020 19: 18 New
                      0
                      Forced to disappoint you (and may make you happy). Real income - an indicator that takes into account inflation. A recount is being made.
                      But I agree that 0,8% is not enough. Need more. But, what you wrote before is not true.
                    2. Antonio_Mariarti
                      Antonio_Mariarti 2 July 2020 11: 58 New
                      -1
                      According to real incomes, we live in 2010. That is, 10 years of wage growth, and so on, went to nothing.
        2. iouris
          iouris 1 July 2020 19: 01 New
          -4
          This is bad (not for you, of course). So the bottom is still forward.
          1. codetalker
            codetalker 1 July 2020 19: 19 New
            0
            What is wrong? Not understood.
      2. Ragnar Lodbrok
        Ragnar Lodbrok 1 July 2020 14: 45 New
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        And there will be no answer. They only ask here, frowning menacingly, they are not used to dialogue. Some kind of masters of life who, to their surprise, suddenly found out that "everyone there" has some other questions about the life of the country ..
    2. ximkim
      ximkim 1 July 2020 16: 14 New
      0
      Quote: iouris
      Quote: Svarog
      When do you think the positive changes will begin?

      Do you think negative changes are still possible?

      Negative changes will be continued and zeroed from July XNUMX.
    3. aglet
      aglet 1 July 2020 17: 49 New
      +1
      "And in your opinion, negative changes are still possible"
      they are just starting
    4. aglet
      aglet 2 July 2020 10: 28 New
      0
      "And do you think negative changes are still possible?"
      even more negative? quite, it’s hard to do good, but bad itself grows
  • Nick
    Nick 1 July 2020 14: 53 New
    -21
    Quote: Svarog
    You can be congratulated .. now we will live! When do you think the positive changes will begin?

    Eccentric. So immediately begin. The indexation of pensions will not be canceled anymore, negotiations on the transfer of the Kuril Crimea, etc. they won’t lead, pederasts of children will not be given up for education, because now they don’t recognize their family. because all this will become criminally punishable.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 1 July 2020 14: 57 New
      11
      Quote: Nick
      Quote: Svarog
      You can be congratulated .. now we will live! When do you think the positive changes will begin?

      Eccentric. So immediately begin. The indexation of pensions will not be canceled anymore, negotiations on the transfer of the Kuril Crimea, etc. they won’t lead, pederasts of children will not be given up for education, because now they don’t recognize their family. because all this will become criminally punishable.

      How little you care about in this life laughing You still forgot to add that now animals will be kindly treated laughing
      And yes, the new Constitution has already been sold for two months .. and something I don’t see any positive and progress wassat
      Pension indexations will not be canceled anymore

      Yes, they will index. Only surviving to retirement will be more problematic
      1. Nick
        Nick 1 July 2020 15: 09 New
        -18
        Quote: Svarog
        How little you care about in this life

        I’m worried about a lot of things, you can’t know about it.
        Quote: Svarog
        Yes, they will index. Only surviving to retirement will be more problematic

        Yes it's true. Around the world there is a tendency to increase the retirement age. These are the economic and demographic conditions. We are still in a relatively better position. The United States is already preparing a project to increase the retirement age to 70 years, for those who are now less than forty. And now they have a way out at 67 years old.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 1 July 2020 15: 16 New
          +7
          Quote: Nick
          Yes it's true. Around the world there is a tendency to increase the retirement age. These are the economic and demographic conditions. We are still in a relatively better position.

          Here you have something bad .. so you nod to the West and the United States, they say so with them .. Let's not compare with countries where the "developed" economy and the lives of people as a whole are much richer .. and in general I don’t give a damn they’ll even die out there .. But don’t give a damn about Russia ..
          Russia takes - 73rd place, with a GNI equal to - 10,230 dollars and inferior to: Turkey, Romania and Costa Rica.

          https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5dd8f6b73676ed2b9e75002a/samye-bogatye-strany-po-dohodu-na-cheloveka-v-2020-godu--na-kakom-meste-rossiia-belarus-i-ukraina-5e6137ef6c3f9e70e905fe36
          The richest country in 73rd place in per capita income ..
          The same is true for mortality statistics .. If they have an average age of 85 years there .. then we don’t live up to retirement at 80%, which means that your indexation is just bullshit ... another illusion created by thimbles ..
          1. Nick
            Nick 1 July 2020 15: 28 New
            -12
            Quote: Svarog
            The richest country in 73rd place in terms of per capita income.

            What do you offer me World Bank data as the ultimate truth. There you can see about purchasing power parity that has never been heard before, as you are, by the way. The IMF, for example, claims that Russia's GDP per capita this year will exceed $ 30. https://countrymeters.info/ru/Russian_Federation/economy
      2. Rosko
        Rosko 2 July 2020 12: 52 New
        +1
        His buggers are most worried .. ,, laughing
    2. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 1 July 2020 15: 01 New
      25
      Are you an eccentric. Will the Japanese immediately abandon their claims to the islands? Because it was prescribed in the Constitution? Yes, they never read our Constitution, just like I did.
      1. Nick
        Nick 1 July 2020 15: 13 New
        -13
        Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
        Are you an eccentric. Will the Japanese immediately abandon their claims to the islands? Because it was prescribed in the Constitution? Yes, they never read our Constitution, just like I did.

        I would ask you to keep up appearances and not to poke, you and I did not drink to the Brudershaft. And the fact that the Japanese think about the islands to me on the drum, even if they pull on me for at least a hundred years. We are no longer talking with them on this topic.
    3. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 1 July 2020 15: 16 New
      15
      Quote: Nick
      negotiations on the transfer of the Kuril Crimea, etc. will not lead

      Why would you suddenly? Read the definition of delimitation, and realize that the new version of the constitution allows you to give anything you want. Though along the border of the Kremlin wall. Not a question at all. This is not an old version, stupidly affirming territorial integrity. yes
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 1 July 2020 15: 22 New
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        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Read the definition of delimitation,

        Yes, they are lazy to read .. they love to listen .. Here you are a woman, but have rationality .. and how many men here who “love with their ears” .. What the Nightingale sings to them, they endure people ..
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 1 July 2020 15: 27 New
        10
        According to the FKZ On the referendum: The wording of the introduced question should exclude the possibility of ambiguous interpretation and multiple answers. The answer should be unambiguous and direct to eliminate the uncertainty of the decisions made. However, most of the amendments are designed in such a way that everyone interprets how beneficial it is.
      3. Nick
        Nick 1 July 2020 15: 37 New
        -15
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Why would you suddenly? Read the definition of delimitation,

        Do not confuse soft with warm. Do not confuse border delimitation and transfer of territories.
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 1 July 2020 16: 35 New
          +9
          Quote: Nick
          Do not confuse border delimitation and transfer of territories.

          I don’t confuse it. But you don’t even understand what you voted for.
          Border delimitation (lat. Delimitatio “marking”) - determination of the general position and direction of the state border between neighboring states through negotiations.
          Extremely simple because it is written. The border will be determined through negotiation.
          Simply put. The old version - the Russian Federation ensures the integrity and inviolability of its territory. Point.
          A new version. The Russian Federation ensures the integrity and inviolability of its territory. Except in those cases when the ruler did not negotiate, say with China, and did not separate the land ... Well, let's say from cupid to the Urals.
          Simply put ... The amendment makes the article on territorial integrity a fiction. For amendments allow you to give land. Exactly in the quantities that the parties agree on. At least 1 square meter, even from Kamchatka to the Volga. No legal obstacles at all. Only organize negotiations with interested parties, and then all things.
          And how is it? Judaire laurels do not bother?
          1. Nick
            Nick 2 July 2020 01: 37 New
            -5
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            And how is it? Judaire laurels do not bother?

            I do not sell my homeland. And you are engaged in verbal balancing act, and in fact verbiage.
            1. Rosko
              Rosko 2 July 2020 13: 01 New
              +3
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              And how is it? Judaire laurels do not bother?

              I do not sell my homeland. Are you doing verbal balancing act, but essentially verbiage
              ........ you are not the motherland, you have bargained with your conscience
          2. Nick
            Nick 2 July 2020 05: 03 New
            -4
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            A new version. The Russian Federation ensures the integrity and inviolability of its territory. Except as

            I specially looked through these amendments once again. There is not what you write about.
            Here is the text:
            The Russian Federation protects its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Actions (with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states) aimed at alienating part of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions, are not allowed. ” Please note - delimitation, demarcation, re-marking state border. That is, negotiations on the mutual recognition of borders, and not alienation of territories. And then, you forget that the USSR, when delimiting the borders, transferred part of the border territories to the same Poland, offered Finland to exchange territories, to move the border away from Leningrad, in exchange for the territory of Karelia several times more than requested from the Finns. Situations can arise different. Sometimes it is more profitable for the state to give part of one territory in exchange for others. Therefore, this amendment is clarified. Then all these agreements must undergo study and ratification by the State Duma and the Federation Council, and not just transferred from one comrade to another.
            1. Nehist
              Nehist 2 July 2020 06: 33 New
              +1
              Here, in connection with the negotiations on the mutual recognition of borders ... According to it, Abo and Putin decided to mutually recognize the border along the Ural Range ... But all according to the Constitution, Mutually Recognized. Yes, you carefully read about the indexation of pensions? It is also interestingly written there. So all these amendments are like dead donkey ears.
            2. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 2 July 2020 12: 24 New
              +5
              Quote: Nick
              I do not sell my homeland.

              Quote: Nick
              Sometimes it’s more profitable for the state to give part of one territory

              Laponka ... And you are by chance not a lawyer there, or God forbid something like a historian? In general, I don’t care, but very characteristic, for true humanities, the lack of logic in reasoning. Complete absence. lol
              But in general, have you stopped arguing? What amendments now allow the border to pass, as darling bourgeois wants? No, of course not the territory to give it against the constitution. But shifting and “clarifying” the borders is easy. Yeah. yes
    4. aglet
      aglet 1 July 2020 17: 51 New
      +3
      "They will not give children to pederasts for upbringing, because now they will not recognize their family. Because all this will become criminally punishable"
      and in what law is it written ?. proverb, law that drawbar, heard?
      1. Nick
        Nick 2 July 2020 01: 40 New
        -5
        Quote: aglet
        "They will not give children to pederasts for upbringing, because now they will not recognize their family. Because all this will become criminally punishable"
        and in what law is it written ?. proverb, law that drawbar, heard?

        Now the Constitution is written. More precisely, they will write down when they officially approve the results of the vote on the amendments. Learn the mathematical part.
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 2 July 2020 06: 37 New
          0
          You checkmate part. All this voting is farce !!! I went, voted against, but that's not the problem in the voters lists the passport number is indicated incorrectly! Immediately rushed to clarify, then with a pencil to wear corrections ... And what should I call it? I have a word, but then they’ll definitely ban
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    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 1 July 2020 17: 05 New
      +3
      1. Can take advantage, maybe not. But in fact, these are amendments for 1 person, you can say registered .. Are these normal changes to the Constitution of the country for 1 person? Well, if he is a monarch, maybe ..
      2. An official if, for example, the wife has the citizenship of another country — for him in most countries — the question of technology — as a spouse — to quickly obtain citizenship. And what prevents the amendment from doing so?
      3. About de-delegation already wrote above, and so .. and what-to give something according to the old Constitution is allowed? (it is written there, in no uncertain terms - the Russian Federation ensures the integrity and inviolability of its territory)
      4.Are we allowed LGBT marriages? not. But according to the law, the Russian Federation recognizes marriages committed in other countries, just fagots in Sweden will get married and return.
      5. That is, do you think we will not comply with the decisions of international courts? Seriously? Did you know that the Stockholm arbitration was registered in the contract? Which we signed. Or do you think any country will sign an agreement with Russia if the Lenin Court of Krasnodar is registered as a court in disputes? Or are we simply now not signing contracts with anyone?

      Well, Vladimir, what’s great and life-changing as amended? except zeroing .. I'm just amazed how some, not seeing the essence of the shirt, are torn with arguments from the TV ...
      1. Sergey M. Karasev
        Sergey M. Karasev 1 July 2020 17: 41 New
        +4
        4.Are we allowed LGBT marriages? not. But according to the law, the Russian Federation recognizes marriages committed in other countries, just fagots in Sweden will get married and return.

        If a man and a woman get married in Sweden, then such a marriage is recognized, and if the fagots get married, then alas, ah ... crying
      2. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 1 July 2020 18: 37 New
        -1
        Quote: 2 level advisor
        1. in fact, these are amendments for 1 person, you can say registered ..
        Sorry, but I did not see what? belay This is your suspicion, and nothing more .. yes
        Quote: 2 level advisor
        2. An official has, for example, if his wife has the citizenship of another country — for him in most countries — the question of technology — as a spouse — is to quickly obtain citizenship. And what prevents the amendment from doing so?
        such an amendment would allow us to throw out for example "test posts" such as Abromavicius and others like him (!)., and get out of direct external control !!... And obtaining citizenship in almost all countries involves from 2 to 5 years MINIMUM (!), even if the spouse is a citizen of another state (!). The rest is either your wet dreams or willful insinuations on !!!. request
        Quote: 2 level advisor
        3.They have already written about deletion above, and so .. but what is allowed under the old Constitution to give something?
        In short, this is the impossibility of a single stroke of the pen (as in the precedent with Medvedev), lose part of the country !!. You can consider it an “argument from the TV” (although I don’t watch it) ... Well then. no
        Quote: 2 level advisor
        4.Are LGBT marriages allowed? not. But according to the law, the Russian Federation recognizes marriages committed in other countries, just fagots in Sweden will get married and return.
        you are well aware that then fagots signed up in Sweden (from your example), it will be better stay in Sweden rather than returning after painting to Chelyabinsk, Yekaterinburg or Omsk (!)or I'm wrong ?!. Or manipulate again (knowingly or not) ?! lol
        Quote: 2 level advisor
        5.That is, do you think we will not comply with the decisions of international courts? Seriously?
        Yeah now it will be possible to create a precedent (!)represent (!)And not "wind snot on a fist", realizing all the senselessness of the fight against politically motivated decisionso-called "international court in Stockholm" !!!..
        Quote: 2 level advisor
        Did you know that the Stockholm arbitration was registered in the contract?
        no, but it’s not difficult to admit. And when concluding contracts, it is usually always written how disputes will be settled (!), and now, a typical phrase that "disputes will be resolved in accordance with the requirements of international law and rights of signatory countries"may have a very ambiguous interpretation !!! Or not ?! request
        Quote: 2 level advisor
        Or are we simply now not signing contracts with anyone?
        be able to sign up on more honest terms (!).
        Quote: 2 level advisor
        Well, Vladimir, what’s great and life-changing as amended?

        How could I try to answer you hi , although I’m afraid that your attempts to twist and distort the essence of the proposed amendments will not decrease from this ... winked request
        1. Revival
          Revival 1 July 2020 19: 41 New
          -1
          Yeah, sign without arbitration.
          In order to push through its conditions, on the exclusion of arbitration, you must be able to insist on it.
          Well take a look at the possibilities
      3. Nick
        Nick 2 July 2020 16: 44 New
        -2
        Quote: 2 level advisor
        that the Great and the life-changing is amended? except zeroing .. I'm just amazed how some, not seeing the essence of the shirt, are torn with arguments from the TV ...

        All! You can relax, the amendments are accepted!
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 2 July 2020 16: 47 New
          0
          Yes I that they will be approved and did not strain laughing from this, the meaning of the words does not change, but they were adopted in the winter so ..
          1. Nick
            Nick 2 July 2020 16: 50 New
            -2
            Quote: 2 level advisor
            Yes I that they will be approved and did not strain laughing from this, the meaning of the words does not change, but they were adopted in the winter so ..

            All the will of God.
    2. Revival
      Revival 1 July 2020 19: 37 New
      0
      1. About zeroing, what you think or don’t seem to be is not an argument.
      Why do you immediately jump to other amendments?
      And if you use it? Do you guarantee not?
      Do not give.
      Then what’s the rest if you haven’t done the first point?
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  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 1 July 2020 15: 42 New
    -9
    Voted on the first day. I decided not to pull the rubber. BEHIND.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 1 July 2020 16: 01 New
      0
      The amendments will bring a little. They will introduce into the constitution what the "servants of the people" already MUST DO, if they are the "servants" of this people, serve this country.
      And now what, they will all zealously begin to serve as they should ???
      I do not live in a fairy tale, but in this country and in miracles I stopped believing more than half a century ago!
      Until we all, together, begin to rule our country, no amendments will help us.
      Specifically, the amendments, there is nothing special about them! Nothing fundamentally for us, below, will change.
      And now .... I don’t understand why all this cf. Nothing much happened.
      For me, maintaining local time in the area is much more important.
  • TAMBU
    TAMBU 1 July 2020 14: 27 New
    +2
    Currently, the referendum is considered as the highest form of popular expression. However, the turnout threshold for the popular vote, including the amendments to the Constitution, is absent, which looks, to put it mildly, strange.

    As for me, this is all the salt of this maneuver. In addition, "it’s clear to the hedgehog," that> 50% means yes less - it’s against ... and all kinds of legal stuff there, let the higher aristocracy have a headache. we ordinary cattle do not care. as the king says so it will be.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 1 July 2020 14: 57 New
    -1
    . However, the turnout threshold for the popular vote, including the amendments to the Constitution, is absent, which looks, to put it mildly, strange.

    That's interesting, what's the difference? Everyone has the right to come and express their Fe-e or vice versa.
    I went and gave my YES ..... for saving summer time in our area !!! It suits me more than Moscow. We have such an option.
    A constitutional amendment ??? Not against, in principle, but there is not the most important thing for me .... that's why they "do not fly" for people like me.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 1 July 2020 16: 14 New
      +7
      Everyone has the right to come and express their Fe-e or vice versa.
      .... Suppose 10% came and these 10% voted for or against, it doesn’t matter. Is this the choice of the majority? I understand the excuse, but I had to come .... And the fact that 90% of their non-arrival actually expressed their lack of confidence, did not support the legitimacy of the event, can this be ignored?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 1 July 2020 17: 21 New
        -1
        Where do you live? Is it on Mars that they hope that the people will not come at all ???
        It is necessary to “play” according to the rules that IS if you cannot change them.
        I understand the call to say no, it’s not relevant in our situation, but okay, even though the connection with reality can be traced. The call not to go is a break from our realities .... WHY?
        However, what am I talking about, everyone is going crazy in his own way, but there are clearly more of those who have been blown away to go and say yes. These are the realities of our day.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 1 July 2020 18: 36 New
          +4
          No, not Mars, why did they remove the candidate against everyone, why did they cancel the percentage turnout? ... You forgot how it went down, and then it was completely canceled, just to come .... The population votes with their feet, but they are not going to notice this .. ... In our county, they almost do not go to the polls, they all know each other, and they know who earned what and how. I remember that there was a self-nominee, a simple engineer as mayor, went to Moskvich, lived in an apartment received under the Soviet regime, then there was a turnout, they voted for him .. And then they look at BMW, a two-story house .. during the period when he became mayor .. I nominated for a second term .. I did not go to vote at all, and who went to vote against, or rather, for other evil. ..
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 1 July 2020 19: 19 New
            0
            Quote: parusnik
            why did they remove the candidate against all, why did they cancel the turnout?

            Candidate against everyone, I also liked more than others, usually.
            And the reduction of turnout thresholds or the complete cancellation thereof, took place IN ALL DERMOCRATIC COUNTRIES, because citizens often hammer a big bolt for all this political fuss!
            I’m not saying that it’s good, but it is AS ANYWHERE !!!
            Look at the geyropey statistics, where the voter turnout is more than 30% of those eligible to vote, it is already a great success and, consider it a hectic political life in society.
            Citizens, where many, realized that all this dermocratic fuss was nothing to them !!!
            We have exactly the same as everywhere.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 1 July 2020 15: 09 New
    +9


    something like this. only this is not a referendum.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 1 July 2020 15: 20 New
      +8
      Yes, and to increase the presidential term, also a popular vote was not required ..
  • Junior Warrant Officer
    Junior Warrant Officer 1 July 2020 15: 13 New
    12
    Well, why break the spears. The Constitution was adopted as amended; in the coming days, it will already be amended to come into force. And as they say, a new countdown will begin. Already this fall, at the end of this year, in the spring of the future, exactly in a year, two - I will ask the same question, has something changed?
    - We will pay Ukraine Gazprom fines.
    - We will be shy of international sanctions.
    - We will bustle with the completion of the Nord Stream.
    - We will see Armata only in parades.
    - Kuznetsov will be repaired, ruined and repaired ...
    - Our football, as always in the ass.
    - All post-conservative republics will make Russian optional
    - Our banks, communications, mail, networks, etc. will not appear in Crimea
    - Retirement age will increase by another two years
    - Gasoline will rise in price steadily.
    - As the forest was cut down and burned, it will continue.
    - Rogozin will promise to catch up and overtake the Mask
    And only ratatouille for zeroing will continue to blame it: - Ukraine, Navalny, the State Department, Liberastov ...
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 1 July 2020 15: 23 New
      10
      Add another question to the list: will prices in Russia decrease for something? laughing Do you want Hochma? Today I heard on the market ... from a series of OBS ... it turns out that the GDP arrested DAM, because he was plotting against him, so he is not visible on TV either ... laughing laughing laughing These are the rumors in our county town ... laughing
      1. depressant
        depressant 1 July 2020 16: 41 New
        +9
        Well, if DAM were arrested, I would sharply improve my opinion of the president))
        I read all the previous comments. The helplessness of the Zaputinians is alarming. One has the argument “But they have buggers!”, The other - “But my salary is large and growing.” So nice man, because big and growing, because someone is small and decreases.
        The third - kot28.ru ... Threaten an opponent with a bullet? But the president against terrorism-have forgotten? How are you, my friend? Putin’s Sun Speech is to be taught by heart! What kind of messenger are you, if you reject dogma? Here they are, defenders of power mistakes! Cornered, shoot back.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 1 July 2020 17: 29 New
          +2
          It’s like, somewhere like that ... there is one big BUT, it is their power if they write on garlic, and not for soldiers!
          And we, who are against or simply on the sidelines, DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING and if we still get smart, each on our own side and will not come together to create our own power.
          Apart, we are NOBODY, and together we are NOT!
  • parusnik
    parusnik 1 July 2020 15: 15 New
    +7
    One conclusion, they manipulated the population then and now ... And now there is a manipulation: in the 90’s you want? And what do you want for the 90s in the 90s and the majority voted ... And then he complains, but then I didn’t get paid, unloading cars ... so you voted for it for the reforms and their continuation. And as if these reforms ended in the 21st century ...
    1. depressant
      depressant 1 July 2020 16: 54 New
      +5
      A parusnik colleague, while reading the speeches of the Zaputinists, I am increasingly wondering: are they Zaputinists? If at the previous discussions at least some arguments were made in favor of the president, then this is about stupidity and the threat of reprisal. One would like to ask: what dark forces do you bet on, gentlemen? Something bad is going on.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 1 July 2020 15: 39 New
    -6
    And rushed "holivory"! Right now, comrade Putin and I are being charged. God bless her. We will answer for each self-tapping screw in drywall. And party card on the table, put .... recourse
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 1 July 2020 16: 02 New
      0
      By the way, "about the birds." Since yesterday, freight trains went to the Crimea. Without a special "pump", the product just went!
      This is a huge achievement and positive for the local population!
      From here, I personally have no reason to be particularly displeased with the president. Although I don’t like everything, it’s like that ...
      1. depressant
        depressant 1 July 2020 17: 48 New
        +4
        A colleague, the annexation of Crimea and the bridge to Putin are a big set off, even taking into account the costs. Who would argue. But the country is not alive by a single bridge. A lot of things have not been done, and there are doubts about what will be done - the circumstances created are such. That's the problem.
        1. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 1 July 2020 18: 28 New
          +2
          So I also have a lot of things not done. And I'm not even driving a car. Although walking in winter is very troublesome.
          But, I try not to take out my problems on a national scale. What does most discussion do.
          For this is a sluggish conversation.
          1. depressant
            depressant 1 July 2020 18: 37 New
            +1
            We are tired, Gas cutter.
            You, as I understand it, live in the Crimea, so you still have not passed the courage from mediation to Greater Russia - as a moral idea and even ideology. You have a bridge, trains have started, electricity is no longer in short supply, vacationers are traveling, money is being taken. And here we have hopes - by steam locomotives on sidings, they are slowly rusting and falling apart. We do not have our own bridge to the future.
            1. Petrol cutter
              Petrol cutter 1 July 2020 18: 52 New
              +3
              I did not know honestly that you are a lady!
              But nonetheless. Although perhaps it is you who will finally get into the state of things.
              Also tired of writing it ....
              At one time, by the will of fate (twenty years ago), I became a citizen of a freedom-loving certain state.
              Unbearable democracy was all for him!
              Although I personally, probably the others understood that something was going wrong ...
              However, we drove on hoping for the best.
              The presidents have changed. And more than once. There were revolutions / violent changes of power / Maidan ...
              And the ordinary citizen is getting worse and worse!
              And it got so worse that it’s just tin!
              Therefore, you’re sorry, but you really didn’t see anything really bad.
              Putin is just happiness.
              I then looked and thought, I want to live in a country where such a president !.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 1 July 2020 15: 40 New
    +9
    I was surprised to find that according to the "referendum" on amendments to the Constitution at 15-00 on July 1, the CEC had already begun to publish preliminary data !!! recourse then this is not a vote, but the circus tent! in violation of all the rules !!! and laws !!!
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 1 July 2020 16: 10 New
      -6
      No circus. In order not to gather a crowd of people in one place (in the light of the fight against Coronavirus), the vote was distributed for five days. Our NW voted last Friday. For instance. That is, the results a hundred times can already be calculated.
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 1 July 2020 16: 14 New
        +8
        Quote: Benzorez
        No circus. In order not to gather a crowd of people in one place (in the light of the fight against Coronavirus), the vote was distributed for five days. Our NW voted last Friday. For instance. That is, the results a hundred times can already be calculated.

        I explain "on fingers" - while the polling stations in Kaliningrad will not close - and this is 21-00 Moscow time - it is NOT possible to publish the results !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        1. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 1 July 2020 16: 20 New
          -5
          Are you holding me for a schoolboy?
          You wrote- PRELIMINARY RESULTS.
          Do you need to explain the difference between the final?
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 1 July 2020 16: 32 New
            +6
            Quote: Benzorez
            I explain "on fingers" - while the polling stations in Kaliningrad will not close - and this is 21-00 Moscow time - it is NOT possible to publish the results !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            I thought that only my eyesight was poor - I apologize, I was mistaken !!! hi
            I explain "on fingers" - while the polling stations in Kaliningrad will not close - and this is 21-00 Moscow time - it is NOT possible to publish the results !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - I write in large print so that you would see the BIGGEST violation of the law bully
            1. Petrol cutter
              Petrol cutter 1 July 2020 16: 49 New
              -1
              And this is exit poll data!
              How do you like this turn?
              1. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 1 July 2020 16: 55 New
                0
                Quote: Benzorez
                And this is exit poll data!
                How do you like this turn?


                and this is the official data of the CEC - http://www.cikrf.ru/analog/constitution-voting/itogi/

                about the turn, apparently, you didn’t find a joke from the times of the USSR: (I expound the political-kulutor version)
                "Have you heard the joke as the goat bangs Fedot?
                Two awkward turns - ... "in general, they swapped wassat
                1. Petrol cutter
                  Petrol cutter 1 July 2020 17: 02 New
                  -1
                  Yes, and God be with him. Honestly, I’m too lazy to follow the links, and I'm sitting on the tablet. And yon "hangs" endlessly!
                  In Crimea, do you see the Ukrainian Internet to this day.
                  I conveyed my thought as best I could. Next, have fun with a pair of ensigns ....
                  Me-steamers build tomorrow. hi
                  1. Virus-free crown
                    Virus-free crown 1 July 2020 17: 05 New
                    0
                    Quote: Benzorez
                    Yes, and God be with him. Honestly, I’m too lazy to follow the links, and I'm sitting on the tablet. And yon "hangs" endlessly!
                    In Crimea, do you see the Ukrainian Internet to this day.
                    I conveyed my thought as best I could. Next, have fun yourself.
                    Me-steamers build tomorrow. hi

                    And you do not get distracted and continue to build your steamboats - while Putin is at the Authority - you will sit on the Ukrainian tyrnete good
                    1. Petrol cutter
                      Petrol cutter 1 July 2020 17: 24 New
                      -1
                      And we are not distracted. How are you distracting something? There are terms of construction, for which fiercely ask however!
                      Steamboats are being constructed for you. So you comfortably planted your ass. And with comfort they arrived wherever you like. As long as Putin is in power.
                      In addition, we are building steamboats that will protect your ass as long as you get there somewhere.
                      Bo, our Ukrainian comrades can let you go to the bottom like hello. Together with the family.
                      They are so ... You don’t forget about them ...
  • Junior Warrant Officer
    Junior Warrant Officer 1 July 2020 15: 45 New
    +8
    Since July 1, in Russia, payments for utilities have been increased by an average of 4%, RIA Novosti reports.
    Minimum - by 2,4% - tariffs increased in the Nenets Autonomous Okrug.
    The maximum growth is planned in Chechnya - 6,5%.

    Does this have anything to do with constitutional amendments? )))))))))))))))))))))))))
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 1 July 2020 16: 13 New
      +7
      And did you expect a reduction in prices and tariffs? When did this happen?
      Not counting the times of the USSR?!.
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 1 July 2020 16: 16 New
      +8
      Since June, they began to grow in the housing and communal services ...
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 1 July 2020 17: 39 New
        +5
        Quote: parusnik
        Since June, they began to grow in the housing and communal services ...

        Not only with you, all over the country ..
        1. depressant
          depressant 1 July 2020 20: 46 New
          +1
          By the way, not only increase in tariffs for housing and communal services, but also other "nishtyaki"
          1. Electronic marking of drugs, shoes, tobacco. Of each ruble, the marking fee is 50 kopecks to the oligarch Alisher Usmanov. Just in fact the existence of the latter. Present. Well, or tribute.
          2. The law on wine. This refers to a ban on the use of wine materials imported from abroad in the production of wine. Experts believe that the quality of wine will deteriorate, prices will rise, people will reach for vodka, but even steam prices will go up to it. Drink foamy beer, it will be a hefty face))
          3. The law on the prohibition of the sale of gadgets without Russian software. The fine for officials is 30-50 thousand, legal - from 200. The so-called law against Apple.
  • KSVK
    KSVK 1 July 2020 15: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: Junior Ensign

    Does this have anything to do with constitutional amendments? )))))))))))))))))))))))))

    Did not wait for the end ....
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 1 July 2020 16: 14 New
    +5
    In fact, all this is garbage.
    As the EBN and GDP were profitable to step aside, they did so.
    There, according to the article, - They spat on the referendum - and dissolved the Union. It was necessary - and not at all a politician, a little-known friend Sobchakov became President. Wanted - and the unloved Medvedev became.
    It is necessary - Tsiferki attributed and wildly unloved by all ПЖВ took almost all thought. (no one asked, no one voted for her)

    It is necessary - instead of the referendum they came up with the “Voting”, and boldly stating that everything had already been decided and even the numbers appeared beforehand ....

    The numbers in electronic voting in government services, spin, without any embarrassment, in the right direction (it is not the first there for a long time)
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 1 July 2020 19: 17 New
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      And it never occurred to you that the numbers are spinning correctly?
      For example, I voted for. Because I think so. My comrades, likewise.
      You personally don’t like something .... Your personal problems ...
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 2 July 2020 08: 47 New
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        More specific!
        What are the numbers? 130% in the Duma elections? or 99,9?

        As an example, did I bring the elections to the Duma? Are you FOR them FOR?

        Or is it now FOR? or generally FOR? This, IMHO, is quite normal.

        Know problems, as they once said ....
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    1. aglet
      aglet 1 July 2020 18: 02 New
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      not otherwise, the US constitution?
    2. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 1 July 2020 19: 51 New
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      Horror / horror!
      And what is wrong?
      Under any of this article, I’ll bring you a bunch of articles as an accountant of enterprises of small forms of ownership, for which you should remain to me ...
  • Vyacheslav1962
    Vyacheslav1962 1 July 2020 16: 26 New
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    Great power of secret ballot: https://youtu.be/m-bzUdTbhM8
  • Wertgan
    Wertgan 1 July 2020 16: 27 New
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    The author is deeply and terribly mistaken about the outcome of the 1991 referendum. Citizens spoke out not for preserving the USSR, but, on the contrary, for the sovereignty of individual republics over the sovereignty of the USSR. That is, against the preservation of a single country. Now, after almost 30 years, it has become clear as a day. And then most likely the people as a whole did not understand why they actually voted. It is all the more strange in our time to read articles where authors do not correctly interpret the essence of this referendum. So that there is no doubt, I quote the question of the 1991 bulletin: Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as an updated federation of equal sovereign republics in which human rights and freedoms of any nationality will be fully guaranteed?
    1. depressant
      depressant 1 July 2020 18: 04 New
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      Every time I read this referendum question and every time I shudder: the Jesuit wording! How could people understand her at that time? And how it is turned: vote against - the collapse of the Union. Vote for - sovereignty relations between the republics, the collapse of the Union come into force. The word "sovereignty" was not used in everyday life. Few people knew what it meant and what it led to.
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 1 July 2020 16: 33 New
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    Quote: Gardamir


    something like this. only this is not a referendum.

    Ruble as in a banana republic. But weak indexation in dollars was done?
  • FIR FIR
    FIR FIR 1 July 2020 16: 34 New
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    75,44% of USSR citizens with the right to vote participated in the voting, while 76,4% of the referendum participants voted for the preservation of the Union - the vast majority. But the will of Soviet citizens did not become an obstacle to the collapse of the USSR in December 1991, less than a year after the referendum. Then ordinary citizens saw: the real political decisions of the power elites do not depend on their opinion and expression of will.

    The first referendum, which showed that referenda are being done for the sake of democracy.
    30 years have passed, nothing has changed ...
  • Wertgan
    Wertgan 1 July 2020 16: 35 New
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    It is on the results of the 1991 referendum, when the people spoke out for the collapse of their millennium-old country and everything that is happening with Russia now is built. And now those people who still do not understand the results of the 1991 referendum are essentially at an impasse. What do they have to do? Only scold power and government! This is happening. These people first fell into the intellectual trap of the so-called liberal propaganda! That person scolds Putin, and you ask him what they voted for in 1991. If he says that for conservation, then he is ignorant in this matter! Therefore, he has no choice but to scold the authorities ... Imagine, after all, there are 170 million of us, how many people still do not understand what happened?
    1. tatra
      tatra 1 July 2020 17: 19 New
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      Stop lying . Most of the voters of the USSR in a referendum in March 1991 spoke in favor of preserving the USSR, and in 6 republics of the USSR, you, enemies of the USSR, forbade people to express their opinion in a referendum, and contrary to the will of most voters divided the USSR among themselves. And if you cowardly blame others for your dismemberment of the USSR, then you yourself admit it as your crime against the country and people.
      1. Wertgan
        Wertgan 1 July 2020 21: 21 New
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        It is useless, alas, to scream in capital letters. In the comments above, the wording of the 1991 referendum is given. From it it is clear what they voted for. And now, specifically, do you understand what this referendum is for? If you answer: “for zeroing”, then you don’t understand. Vote for constitutional changes. No specifics. Just. For the changes. And for these future changes yet to be fought. Wrestle including here on Topvar. Some possibility of further changes, this is Tereshkova’s amendment.
  • Boratsagdiev
    Boratsagdiev 1 July 2020 17: 15 New
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    According to the normal (in conscience, legality and in general) those who voted for something there should be at least 50% + 1 vote of the total population. But in fact, even two-thirds (ideally from 75%).
    And all sorts of 75% of 30 or 45 of 70 is all utter nonsense and the imposition of their own rules and ideas by a minority.
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 1 July 2020 18: 05 New
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    Quote: aglet
    not otherwise, the US constitution?

    This is an international law that was higher than ours, now this norm is not in the constitution. Was like a bone in my throat
  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 1 July 2020 19: 53 New
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    Quote: Nemchinov Vl
    Sorry, but I did not see what? This is your suspicion, and nothing more ..

    I quote from the amendments: "applies to a person who has and (or) holds the office of the President of the Russian Federation, without taking into account the number of terms during which he held and (or) holds this position at the time the amendment comes into force" to whom else on the planet Earth besides him can apply these words? Who else has the deadlines at the time of adoption of the amendments? Or are you just over the text for which you vote and did not think about how many, but now accuse me of manipulation?
    Quote: Nemchinov Vl
    and get out of direct external control !! ... And obtaining citizenship in almost all countries involves from 2 to 5 years MINIMUM (!), even if the spouse is a citizen of another state (!). The rest is either your wet dreams or deliberate insinuations on the topic !!!.

    And without citizenship, agents of influence and traitors in power cannot be, right? Well, they will give him at once "by wife" a residence permit for 2-5 years MINIMUM and what will essentially change? It will be easy to live until citizenship is given .. so "get out of direct external control !!" using this amendment is rather your wet dreams ..
    Quote: Nemchinov Vl
    In short, it is impossible, with a single stroke of the pen (as in the precedent with Medvedev), to lose part of the country's territory !!. You can consider it an “argument from the TV” (although I don’t watch it) ... Well then.

    So Medvedev and not a stroke, but through negotiations. The delimitation that will now allow a change in borders is also negotiation. So, if the juice is called nectar, the essence will not change, if briefly.
    Quote: Nemchinov Vl
    you are well aware that then it would be better for queers who signed in Sweden (from your example) to stay in Sweden rather than returning after painting to Chelyabinsk, Yekaterinburg or Omsk (!), or am I wrong ?! Or are you manipulating again (consciously or not) ?!

    I don’t care for them at all. And write for yourself that in the first place, society will reason them, not the Constitution. Manipulation is something in which I just suggested the option of circumventing the norm, but did not distort its essence, which is manipulation.
    Quote: Nemchinov Vl
    Yes, now it will be possible to create a precedent (!), Imagine (!), And not "wind your snot on a fist", realizing the whole pointlessness of the struggle against a politically motivated decision, the so-called "international court in Stockholm"

    Q1, I’m ready to argue with you about anything that we have paid and will pay in the courts. If only because Gazprom is not Russia, but a separate legal entity, although we pay. Russia did not conclude an agreement.
    Q2, no one will sign a contract with us on such terms, who needs a contract under which a party can not legally fulfill the conditions? And what will we do if we stop taking resources from us? Anyway, it’s ridiculous to believe in such a thing, we don’t have weight to dictate our conditions to the whole world that are different from those that exist throughout the world.

    How could he also try to explain his position to you based on facts, not his own judgments. Those. I didn’t touch on the “perversion” of norms; I just read them, draw conclusions, and do not interpret them as I see fit.
  • Zaits
    Zaits 2 July 2020 01: 08 New
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    But I liked the event. Especially in terms of numbers.
    Turnout - 65%, voted "for" - 77% (after processing 75% of the protocols).
    0.65 * 0.77 = 0.5005
    Well, what an elegant result.
  • Ivan90
    Ivan90 2 July 2020 11: 12 New
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    Quote: Malyuta
    Quote: Nick
    Everyone who is not intellectually modest and not an enemy of Russia will vote or have already voted "For"

    I am very sorry hi but oh oh you are cunning zaputintsy, with your approaches wassat Are you already all those who are against the enemies of Russia recorded? In this case, we will write you as partners in the looting of the country.
    How do you like this prospect? wink

    In RI, they were not embarrassed by all those who did not agree to write down enemies, in the USSR they were not embarrassed by all who did not agree with the enemies of the people to declare, what is now embarrassed?
  • bandabas
    bandabas 2 July 2020 21: 36 New
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    With Ms. Goliklva you need a liter. And better 2. Suspenders do not color it.