India's time to rename its weapons program “Made Anywhere” - Sohu sneers

The Chinese media decided to ironize in some way over how the Indian authorities and the command of the Indian army behave after the incident in the Galvan valley. Recall that the Chinese side has not yet disclosed its data on losses in this disputed area.

In the PRC press, it is pointed out that, with the “Do in India” program, the country's army is forced to purchase weapons from various countries, and even ask that supplies of equipment and weapons these countries have accelerated.

An article was published in Sohu, a Chinese newspaper, stating that it’s high time to rename the Indian program from “Make in India” to “Made Anywhere”.

The author notes that India is the largest buyer of Russian weapons, and also receives military equipment from France, the USA, Israel and some other countries.

From an article in Sohu:

Now India is about to purchase about 500 tanks T-90, announces the possibility of buying the latest Russian tanks on the Armata platform. It seems that they are going to create a powerful steel stream. They have over 700 different helicopters, including the American Apache. With such logistics, they spend a lot of money on maintaining their diverse fleet. And funds for their own development, despite high-profile statements, are allocated insufficiently.

In the Chinese media they write that even India could not create an automatic machine that would meet the needs of the troops, and therefore is going to purchase hundreds of thousands of AK-203 from Russia.

From the article:

The authorities of India always talk about the localization of production in their country, but only the military are not optimistic about this.

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[kind]

With such logistics, they spend a lot of money on maintaining their diverse fleet. And funds for their own development, despite high-profile statements, are allocated insufficiently.

But how to dance!

[Svarog]

Quote: Good

But how to dance!

Chinese irony is justified .. It is high time for Hindus to decide on a vector ..

[Shurik70]

The Chinese forgot that, having received a license for Kalashnikov in 1956, the first assault rifles under the guidance of Soviet specialists produced excellent quality, but as soon as they began to manage themselves, they immediately began to "rationalize". Low-quality metal, replacing springs with elastic bands, etc., etc. Sometimes, even the barrel inside the receiver dangled.
But they did it ...
India repeats their path - do it yourself! And stepping on the same rake.

[Catfish]

That's right. Dealt with Chinese machine guns 50-60s. years, rust without any moisture, just in the air, the trunk bends literally "on the knee". What to do, the consequences of the "Great Leap Forward", each collective farm has its own blast furnace, hence the "quality".

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: Shurik70

India repeats their path - do it yourself! And stepping on the same rake.

It's not about that. China initially decided with whom it will cooperate. Since the USSR, and still adheres to this. And the Indians are jumping like a flea on a Faberge. The Chinese have written everything correctly. It’s silly to keep the equipment of different countries armed

[aszzz888]

Good (Glory) Today, 10:44 AM NEW
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With such logistics, they spend a lot of money on maintaining their diverse fleet. And funds for their own development, despite high-profile statements, are allocated insufficiently.

But how to dance! laughing

And how they sing))! Ah, ah! ...

[TermNachTer]

Honestly, I never understood the Indians. They, what - the word logistics, even on Wikipedia did not see? Reminds disassemblies of the army and navy in Japan, in World War II

[tralflot1832]

Good humor, but I suspect it is the humor of a translator.

[Thrifty]

China would be silent for the best, because all their equipment is a copy, mainly of Soviet or Russian production. Much of our technology is taken as a basis for creating “purely Chinese technology!” So, the Chinese have only their ambition and the Chinese!

[Vadim Zhivov]

And in the eyebrow and in the eye and in other places ... You are a plus ... ++++

[codetalker]

Here you need to add another very important thing. That all this is being done, including as a result of "cultural" cooperation with Russia and other countries. Training, exchange (one way) of specialists, technology transfer. If all this is chopped off, there will not be a single “copy”.

[dauria]

China would be silent for the best, because all their technology is copies,

Bristol Jupiter. Great Britain
Wright R-1820 Cyclone. USA
Hispano-Suiza 12Y. France
Gnome-Rhône Mistral Major. France
BMW VI. Germany
Copies and thorough alterations of these engines were the basis of the Soviet aircraft fleet of the Great Patriotic War. Not to mention the first reactive German and English turbojet engines JUMO, WWII, NIN, Dervent. It was with this copying that our own school of both industry and construction began. And in the 50s, the German Kurt Tank dreamed of getting a Tumansky engine for his "Indian" fighter.
It starts with copying, and not from scratch. Even students take as a basis last year’s diplomas and tear apart.

[RelictEmpire]

Hmm ... looking, reading:
Bristol Jupiter (In the USSR M-22) - According to the agreement, the assembly of engines also took place in France (Gnome-Rhône Jupiter), Poland (PZL Bristol Jupiter) and in the Soviet Union (M-22).
Wright R-1820 Cyclone 9 - Outside the US, it was also licensed in Spain by Hispano-Suiza and the Soviet Union.
Hispano-Suiza 12Y - The 12Y was produced under Hispano-Suiza license in the Soviet Union as the Klimov M-100.
It seems to me that copying and production under license are different concepts ???

[dauria]

It seems to me that copying and production under license are different concepts ???

What exactly are different? Only "legality." Or Tu-4 licensed copy of V-29? Everyone is always looking after each other and buying, or stealing, or even as successful designs. Everything and always. More precisely, they learn from each other. And not just the Chinese.

[RelictEmpire]

It is precisely because technology is transferred in a legitimate transaction, and only samples in case of theft.

[dauria]

and with theft - only samples

What's the difference ? Our VK-1F turned out not worse, but better than the original. And with the atomic bomb we ugly acted, so what? Despite the fact that no one transferred technology. Suggest everyone reinvent their own wheel? The Chinese are doing everything right, there’s nothing to blame them for. Soon we will "steal" them. I hope that we will - steal and do at home, and not buy ready-made.

[rotmistr60]

With such logistics, they spend a lot of money on maintaining their diverse fleet.

It is difficult to disagree with Chinese criticism, although it is clear that this is also one of the methods of information warfare, especially during a period of aggravation of territorial differences. Regarding the Indian Air Force (with a pine forest - a forest), he himself repeatedly wrote that maintenance, training of pilots and technical personnel, and the different types of weapons certainly lead to considerable expenses. But this is an internal affair of India, especially when it purchases weapons from us supporting the Russian military-industrial complex.

[HAM]

Such a bummer for the Chinese, if not for the eternal territorial disputes, then how much could the Indians bring in weapons that "have no analogues and are many times superior to Russian ...."

[businessv]

Without even looking at tensions between these countries, Sohu's article is not without common sense. Throwing India between arms suppliers are already becoming a byword! How then to serve all this mishmash of equipment and weapons ?!

[Astra wild]

Indeed, the Indians, as a rule, began to buy weapons from everyone in a good form.
Perhaps they, like small children, are being advertised: the French need to buy beautiful planes, half the world flies to Apaches, we’ll buy it. As you like, but this indicates that not everything is normal with their heads ..

[Kurare]

Quote: Astra wild

Indeed, the Indians, as a rule, began to buy weapons from everyone in a good form.

I know not by hearsay, the corruption component in India, especially with regard to weapons, is just off scale. In China, they simply put it up against the wall, which happens quite regularly. But when the smell is fried, the Indians flee to Russia with a request to deliver so quickly. There is no longer up to corruption.

You can’t put the needs of the army on a commercial footing. The country's defense is not a bargain, not a bazaar.

[General Ermolov]

In fact, the policy of India is understandable here. Indian industry is weak and cannot provide its own army with everything necessary, and India has systematized the purchase of weapons abroad for a long time and never buys all weapons in one country so as not to become completely dependent on it.

[Astra wild]

Yermolov’s colleague, but they risk even more: the same Air Force expels them from Imerikansky, French, Russian equipment, and the components and ammunition are different there.
In the event of any complications in international politics, they run the risk of being left completely without aviation or without half of the aircraft

[General Ermolov]

No, buying weapons in different countries, India is just protecting itself and its interests. Previously, India purchased weapons in the USSR, England and France. But the point is this. These are different countries with different interests and at the same time it is almost impossible to get sanctioned by all three countries at once. Buying weapons from one country, you become addicted to it and ruining relations with it leaves the entire fleet of your equipment without spare parts and ammunition.

[Astra wild]

Ermolov, you have a certain logic, but my opinion is that it’s better to do something bad, but to produce your own. An example of the DPRK or Iran: their weapons are inferior to both Chinese and French, but they have their own.

[Shadow041]

You are both right and you are Astra wild and Ermolov. Here you see what a thing. Iran is still the Persians, there is intellectual baggage that has developed historically. China also has significant historical baggage of intellectuals. The capabilities of the Indian industry, in spite of all attempts, could not advance beyond the creation of the next version of the MiG-21 and the very heavy, suffering from numerous defects, Arjun tank, which could not become the main one for the Indian army.

[Mountain shooter]

The old truth is that it will not work to fight with purchased weapons in a serious conflict. Logistics will be eaten, and you will be naked and barefoot in front of the enemy ... the purchased, diverse and beautiful expensive equipment is more suitable for cuts and parades (in random order) ...

[Doccor18]

in the presence of the “Do in India” program, the country's army is forced to purchase weapons from various states ...

This program works flawlessly, like a licensed screwdriver assembly of various systems purchased abroad.

with such logistics they spend a lot of money on maintaining their diverse fleet

This is unconditional. But here it doesn’t smell like logic. Corruption in action.

even India was never able to create a machine that would meet the needs of the troops, and therefore is going to buy hundreds of thousands of AK-203 from Russia.

Creating world-class small arms is not an easy task. The Chinese themselves can confirm this. The PLA also has problems with a single automatic weapon ... The only thing that distinguishes them is that China itself is trying to solve these complex problems, and India is moving along a simpler but more dangerous path - import.

[Pereira]

If it were not for Stalin's industrialization, then the USSR in the 30s would have done the same.
They would buy everything that is possible and where it is possible and would meet the 41st year with this variety of grades.
For Indians, all energy goes into trade. The strategy of forces is no longer left.

[Doccor18]

They would buy everything that is possible and where it is possible and would meet the 41st year with this variety of grades.

But 1942 would not have been met ... Well, that would be.

[poquello]

In the Chinese media they write that even India could not create an automatic machine that would meet the needs of the troops, and therefore is going to purchase hundreds of thousands of AK-203 from Russia.

how many of our Chinese taught Kalash do? Chinese Kalash one line already forgotten?

[Samara_63]

Yes, but their Mirage 2000, Rafal, Apache, SPIKE, Israeli, French missiles can cause huge losses to China

[Marconi41]

Quote: Samara_63

Yes, but their Mirage 2000, Rafal, Apache, SPIKE, Israeli, French missiles can cause huge losses to China

They can! But not for long. In the event of a serious conflict, the supply of arms to both countries will be stopped by a UN decree. And then where is India to look for spare parts and ammunition for French and Israeli technology?

[Samara_63]

I think they have a supply, but in the case of China, Israel will not stop supply, it’s profitable, the price will rise, France is more likely an ally of China and the United States will increase supplies ... UN, USA will veto

[Marconi41]

Quote: Samara_63

UN, USA will veto

Are you joking? The United States will not go into armed conflict with China, and even more so Israel. So in the case of UN sanction, deliveries from them to India can only be through third countries. Russia, especially, will not get into this mess.

[d4rkmesa]

Any weapon can cause huge losses. His mission is to zero people.

[Rusik.S]

Well then, the Chinese can quickly call their program "copied from anything"

[Old26]

Quote: Thrifty

China would be silent for the best, because all their equipment is a copy, mainly of Soviet or Russian production. Much of our technology is taken as a basis for creating “purely Chinese technology!” So, the Chinese have only their ambition and the Chinese!

Yes, stop you exploit this topic. Whose copy is, for example, the Chinese destroyers of project 055? Whose copy is the Type 15 Chinese tank?
Any country, if necessary, follows the path of creating clones. The United States and the USSR, if necessary, began to copy German missiles, then they began to do it themselves. So the Chinese, copy something, something (and this is the majority) - they do it themselves. And we all trump that they "copy"

Quote: Astra wild

Indeed, the Indians, as a rule, began to buy weapons from everyone in a good form.
Perhaps they, like small children, are being advertised: the French need to buy beautiful planes, half the world flies to Apaches, we’ll buy it. As you like, but this indicates that not everything is normal with their heads ..

In principle, there is nothing wrong with diversifying the sources of weapons. But among the Indians this is already "overlap." They buy from anyone who is willing to sell them. The result is a "hodgepodge"

Quote: Pereira

If it were not for Stalin's industrialization, then the USSR in the 30s would have done the same.
They would buy everything that is possible and where it is possible and would meet the 41st year with this variety of grades.
For Indians, all energy goes into trade. The strategy of forces is no longer left.

In principle, this was done. We also bought where we could and what we could. The same tanks. BT is originally an American Christie tank. T-26 - English Vickers. The same could be observed with ships. Aircraft engines were also bought abroad. Then, when industrialization gained power, they began to produce their own

Quote: Marconi41

Quote: Samara_63

Yes, but their Mirage 2000, Rafal, Apache, SPIKE, Israeli, French missiles can cause huge losses to China

They can! But not for long. In the event of a serious conflict, the supply of arms to both countries will be stopped by a UN decree. And then where is India to look for spare parts and ammunition for French and Israeli technology?

And China will be in a better position than India

[Kurare]

Quote: Old26

We also bought where we could and what we could. The same tanks. BT is originally an American Christie tank. T-26 - English Vickers. The same could be observed with ships. Aircraft engines were also bought abroad. Then, when industrialization gained power, they began to produce their own

As for aircraft engines - I agree. Creating a motor school is a very long and laborious process.

But as for the tank industry and the purchase of tanks, the same tanks of V. Kristi or Vickers, there are a lot of BUT. Basically, the purchase of armored vehicles abroad is a tribute to the era of Marshal Tukhachevsky, who cut all his own designs and promoted the ideas of Western designers. Strange as it may seem, in the USSR, by the beginning of the 30s, its own school of developers of armored vehicles had appeared, and it was very good. The same tanks Christie and Vickers initially rejected.

[Esoteric]

As for China, I can not help but say my vision. I believe, and try to convince China that this is a purely copy civilization. Xerox. He always has been, he is, and he will be. Well, they themselves cannot create, invent, cannot.
Not given, and nothing can be done about it. Modern civilization was created elsewhere, and everything that corresponds to it, all technologies, have nothing to do with China. You can throw slippers

[Zaurbek]

In such a country, at least one model of aircraft should be produced. And in general technology. They bother themselves.

[yfast]

Who is dragging this plow here? An opinion that is interesting to five Chinese and VO.

[rotkiv04]

Some dance, the second copy, but the warriors of them are like bullet shit

[Lord of the Sith]

The same case when I agree with the Chinese scribblers from Sohu
Usually they write bullshit.

[bar]

Essentially true. It is time for the Hindus to stop dancing and finally switch to the "made in Russia" program

[doubovitski]

Our factory, by order-along, in the 70s, was instructed to manufacture mine export explosion-proof electrical equipment for India for export. We got Indian standards translated into Russian, the translation is certified by a notary public, which guarantees the accuracy of the translation. They began to look at what and how they should do it. We even started the design study. And they refused. Products are surrounded by complex locks, on almost any action - a mechanical thing that prohibits incorrect actions. Cases have grown to .... And explosion-proof glands are calculated based on the internal free volume. The larger the volume, the thicker the walls and flanges. And if there are changes in explosion proofness, then new tests are needed at the Safety Institutes and a new certificate for permitting underground use is required. Why it happened, they puzzled for a long time. We have warning signs, they don’t have to. NO. Only locks.
It turns out because their hard workers away are not literate.

[Siberian54]

In the China-India conflict, I am on the side of China and not because I have two time zones from me to the border with the PRC, but because xiao pin once offered India’s convenient exchange for the territories of Indira, the USSR refused to do so ..

[cat Rusich]

Can India create and develop STRATEGIC Aviation? - Or immediately increase the number of nuclear warheads ... You should also develop missiles of suitable range. India needs the "tank fist" only against Pakistan - for the war with China, long-range missiles and strategic aircraft are needed and not to forget about air defense.