The network discusses the new symbols of the 28th APU brigade

The network is discussing the introduction of new symbols of the 28th separate mechanized brigade of the armed forces of Ukraine. This team has already attracted attention - upon receipt of the "honorable" name - the Ombre named after the Knights of the Winter Campaign. The new discussion is connected with what is depicted on the flag of the 28th APU brigade received these days by the Ombre command.

This is the so-called "Iron Cross", which will henceforth be worn by servicemen of the 28th Armed Forces brigade on the sleeve patch (chevron).

It is noted that while flags of this kind do not have official status, however, Ukraine is preparing to consider an appropriate bill that aims to ensure that the symbols are recognized at the state level. A strange phenomenon: the symbolism does not have an official status, but on the other hand, military personnel are already ordered to use such chevrons on their uniforms.

Earlier, the "brigade flag" received the Ukrainian armed group "Cold Yar." This name has for some time been the 93rd APU brigade.

The new symbolism of the 28th mechanized brigade is a black cross with white edges. The Armed Forces Command declares that this symbol "refers to the award of the fighters of the Ukrainian People’s Republic of 1917-1921." At the same time, Ukrainian users, commenting on the new emblem of one of the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, note that to a greater extent it refers to completely different armed groups, and the words about the UNR are only an attempt to “dust the brains of those who perfectly understand which direction the Ukrainian army is leading and all of Ukraine. "

Comments

[Pereira]

Everything is logical. What an army, such a symbolism.
Guys should be praised for honesty.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Pereira

Everything is logical. What an army, such a symbolism.

The only correct cross posed on a similar phenomenon.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Pereira

Everything is logical. What an army, such a symbolism.
Guys should be praised for honesty.

Death to the Nazis.
And the guys you want to praise.

These ghouls do not put a birch cross, but you need to drive an aspen stake.

At first they say that they are just soldiers. They followed orders.
And then nits with fascist symbols in the service of the country and the street are called by the names of the Nazis.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Vladimir16

Death to the Nazis.

Yeah, the familiar cross: by nazi tanks and their own aircraft.

Threads ...

[zadorin1974]

You confuse the sequence Vladimir. At first they commit crimes, then when they get captured they shout that they were scribes, and in general their national squad detachments made machine guns shoot under machine guns.

[avg]

Quote: Vladimir16

At first they say that they are just soldiers. They followed orders.
And then nits with fascist symbols in the service of the country and the street are called by the names of the Nazis.

Well, all right in the leadership they have some bastards, but how can the rest tolerate it, and even take offense when they are called fascists. I would have quit even before this obscurantism, only for the first time having heard in my address "commanding a pidrozdilom".

[Insurgent]

Earlier here at VO, apparently not understanding who they were dealing with, they tried to convince me that "there is no Nazism in Ukraine"...
Something is quiet now. Hidden banderlogs?

Congratulations on the "New Order" (Ordnung)

Kherson Mayor Vladimir Mikolaenko decided to remind residents of the city of who is one of the founders of the modern Ukrainian state. A poster appeared in the city, depicting the “Act of the Proclamation of the Ukrainian Power”, published in Lviv occupied by the Nazis on July 10, 1941. The "act" was adopted by Nazi bedding, and it contained the following wonderful point:

"3. The newly rising Ukrainian State will closely cooperate with the National Socialist Great Germany, which, under the leadership of its Leader Adolf Hitler, creates a new order in Europe and in the world and helps the Ukrainian People free themselves from the Moscow occupation.

The Ukrainian National Revolutionary Army, which is being created on Ukrainian soil, will continue to fight the allied German army against the Moscow occupation of the Sovereign Soborny Soborny State and the new order throughout the world. ”

[Vladimir16]

I want to wish Kherson Mer a sleep after this demonstration of Hitler’s service.

It seems that at present the fascists occupied Kherson, Kharkov, Odessa and other Russian cities.

[Bear040]

You are mistaken. Here alone and today she rubs that Ukraine is supposedly white and fluffy and that there are supposedly no fascists, and for everything that is presented to him, he writes that he is very smart, and we are all yap. Nick Bandera - Sloboda0 (Alex)

[DVR]

Earlier here at VO, apparently not understanding who they were dealing with, they tried to convince me that "there is no Nazism in Ukraine" ...
Something is quiet now. Hidden banderlogs?

Some of them even stoke against Natsik :) So as not to shine too much, and at the same time they get hype

[Insurgent]

Quote: Alexey Petryaev

Yes, and even hang the ZIM watch on a cross, a clever man, there is a cross on George, but how do you know that the Colorada ribbon is the colors of the Amur tiger? Really scoop?

, finally "cuckoo"?

Entered into a rage?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Insurgent

Entered into a rage?

And so the klystrons flew out in the head, and then the cuckoo was completely demolished.

[siemens7774]

4ekist, they are already running. When they opened the checkpoints on the border of Ukraine with Europe. After 6 hours only 4000 footers crossed the border. But the good thing is that 2700 people with a changed last name went to permanent residence in Croatia and the Czech Republic, representatives of Nazi movements.

[zadorin1974]

I greet Insurgent. It is difficult to swear at the body that speaks on it)))) One joy, IT is not here for long)))) By the way, colleagues, there are more and more of them on the site.

[Rosko]

Do you write from a fool?

[Fedorovich]

Take substances and leave the thread.

[avg]

So they according to the program Suprun fools closed. And here are the first results.

[tikhonov66]

ribbon "Colorada" is the colors of the Amur tiger

- stupid anti-soviet man,
This is your "Colorado ribbon"
and in Russia this is already 250 years old - this is the St. George (!) tape
- established under the Order of St. George the Victorious Liberator -

It was established by Catherine the Second on November 26, 1769 during the Russo-Turkish War of 1768-1774 to promote fidelity, courage and prudence for the good of the Russian Empire, shown in courageous deeds or wise advice.

The tape was supplemented by the motto: “For service and courage”, as well as a white equilateral cross or a four-pointed gold star. The ribbon was worn, depending on the class of the gentleman: in the buttonhole or on the neck, or over the right shoulder. The tape was supposed to be a life-time salary.

[Cananecat]

It seems to me that Red Square is waiting for another parade with the banners of the defeated divisions ...

[4ekist]

"Honorary" name - ombre named after the Knights of the Winter Campaign. - in memory of the Battle of Ice 1242.

[Svarog]

Fascist swastika ... as the Ukrainian people suffer, because how many of their ancestors suffered from the Nazis ..

[carstorm 11]

it is not a swastika. do not confuse please.

[Ragnar Lodbrok]

Not surprised. Everything is logical.

[carstorm 11]

so that this is not a swastika? how can it surprise? a reasonable person knows the difference between a swastika and a cross

[Svarog]

Quote: carstorm 11

so that this is not a swastika? how can it surprise? a reasonable person knows the difference between a swastika and a cross

Here you are complicated .. well not a swastika, but very similar ..

[carstorm 11]

I am German. and love the specifics.

[Moskovit]

We Russians also love specifics. And this cross specifically recalls the Wehrmacht. What exactly does this unit have to do with the German army?

[carstorm 11]

Well, as if her cross was a symbol before Hitler. and after stayed. quite specific)

[Incvizitor]

This is exactly the same as in the pz.
https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/3-tank-pzkpfw-iv-t-4-dmitry-laudin.jpg

[carstorm 11]

did you read the conversation carefully? man called it a swastika. I said that this is not a swastika but a cross. why are you showing me this? also do not know the difference?

[Incvizitor]

My grandfather who fought with the Nazis and called both swastikas and I agree with him the same meaning.

[carstorm 11]

Am I bothering you to think so? but I know the difference between a swastika forbidden in the world and a cross that is almost a thousand years old

[Sanichsan]

Quote: carstorm 11

but I know the difference between a swastika forbidden in the world and a cross that is almost a thousand years old

Well, since you are applying for the status of a reasonable person, you should understand that in the case of Ukraine this is a provocation in its purest form. if in Germany it is a symbol with a hundred-year history, then in Ukraine it is a symbol of a strictly defined time period from 1941 to 1944 and this symbol refers specifically to the collaboration with the Nazis. This is clear?

[carstorm 11]

you think they are too reasonable) this is not a provocation but a stupidity of pure water. they grab symbols and attach themselves to them without understanding their meaning at all. this is just the point) there a person correctly noticed the hash is generally incomprehensible as symbols related to Ukraine. The shafts peak sign of the French infantry. Balkenkreuz was stuck on the canvas. there is no system and no thinking. pure water pathos and illiteracy. the symbol of Nazism is a swastika. not a cross. he is a symbol of the German army. in different styles was before Hitler and has remained to this day. Do you understand the level of stupidity?)

[Sanichsan]

Quote: carstorm 11

you think they are too reasonable) this is not a provocation but a stupidity of pure water.

you are wrong. this is a completely deliberate and deliberate step. on the territory of the former USSR, everyone knows what it is and what it is associated with. it is no secret that in 2014 the junta seized power with the help of neo-Nazi militants, and they cannot get rid of these "friends". more recently, the state has funded such organizations as C14 and the right sector. after the start of ethnic cleansing, they had to go into the background. even the EU will not understand this. mind you, do not fight such organizations, but hide their funding to non-governmental funds.

Quote: carstorm 11

there, the person correctly noticed the hash is generally incomprehensible as symbols related to Ukraine.

absolutely right. there is almost no connection with Ukraine. symbolism associates a military unit with collaborators.

Quote: carstorm 11

the symbol of Nazism is a swastika. not a cross. he is a symbol of the German army. in different styles was before Hitler and has remained to this day. Do you understand the level of stupidity?)

you wrote that you live in Germany, right? apparently you don’t understand this ... in the territory of the former USSR this symbol is strictly associated with the fascist occupiers. Remember the photo from the Ju-87? here it is obvious to almost everyone. all these scientific maxims that the cross is an ancient military symbol of the German army, and the swastika is just a symbol of the solstice, or whatever, it all does not work. in the territory of the former USSR they are fascists. such a trace was left by the carriers of these symbols on our earth, and such a meaning was assigned to these symbols.
I agree about the level of stupidity. sooner or later they will return to the orbit of Russia again and with such a historical train it will not be easy for them .. but it seems to dance on a rake, this is a tradition

[carstorm 11]

I do not live. I am German but Russian. such a perdamonocle) but we honor our traditions. honor history. language and culture. my ancestors were dying for Russia. and this is not pathos. the German diaspora in Russia has always been big. for this reason I know what this cross is. this is my story. the swastika is a symbol of Nazism. of what my grandfather and grandmother fought against. but the symbols of my people are completely different. this cross was not given to them and they did not create it.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: carstorm 11

I do not live. I am German but Russian.

then we should understand you yourself know that in Russia for the majority there is no positive component in this symbolism. for you, yes, but for the vast majority, no. Do you understand?

[carstorm 11]

so I only spoke on my own. pay attention to it.

[Sanichsan]

I see but after trying to hang a board to Mannerheim, a monument to Krasnov and so on, the people are very painful and aggressive towards any attempts to somehow wash the Nazis. I understand that you are not talking about it at all, but you took it just like that ...
PS
I feel played out our politicians with patriotism sooner or later, people will notice under what flag we are living now and who fought under this flag in the great Patriotic War. the situation is very uncomfortable

[carstorm 11]

people have the right to respond. it is right.

[carstorm 11]

I know. if in childhood m not what I said a German fascist I gave in the face. Now the same thing) Nazism and its symbols despise. but the fact that my story will protect.

[MMX]

Quote: carstorm 11

I do not live. I am German but Russian. such a perdamonocle) but we honor our traditions. honor history. language and culture.

I note that the Germans are very well organized. Media, festivals, education. And everything is very organic, without extremism. Respected.

the German diaspora in Russia has always been large

To put it mildly. Enough to remember the Romanov dynasty.

[carstorm 11]

I couldn’t add anything here)

[perm23]

Balkenkreuz (German: Balkenkreuz) is an identification mark of the Wehrmacht (German armed forces) and its units during the Second World War. Used in Heer (Ground Forces), Luftwaffe (Air Force) and Kriegsmarine (Navy). It is a stylization of the Teutonic cross and the cross of St. Nicholas.

[siemens7774]

The funniest thing is that Independents have performed this dance for the fourth time, and every 300 years.

[sedoj]

This is exactly the same as in the pz.
https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/3-tank-pzkpfw-iv-t-4-dmitry-laudin.jpg

I will show your picture:

[tikhonov66]

[quoteя German. and love the specifics] [/ quote]
- lyubishl? - GET.
Both the fascist swastika and the fascist crosses -
should be driven into the ground two meters - forever.
- such "specifics" are more AVAILABLE ?!

[carstorm 11]

the swastika is forbidden by the whole world. the crosses were before the Nazis and continue to be the same in life. what you call the fascist cross actually appeared in 1918 Balkenkreuz.

[Ragnar Lodbrok]

This Teutonic cross on fascist tanks was that invaded our land. Or did you just want to debate, did you get bored at work?

[carstorm 11]

this is a strange conversation. there is a cross. there is a swastika. everything is clear and specific. do not mix one with the other. the history of this cross is long.

[Insurgent]

Quote: carstorm 11

this is a strange conversation. there is a cross. there is a swastika. everything is clear and specific. do not mix one with the other. the history of this cross is long.

BUT... ... "Teutonic cross"under whose shadow the knight-dogs once attempted to" civilize Russia "?
The cross with which the "noble knights", during the "crusades" "liberating the Holy Sepulcher," destabilized, destroyed the more civilized Arab East?

[carstorm 11]

exactly. this is history. you need to know her.
https://topwar.ru/152719-tevtonskij-orden-psy-rycari-na-dorogah-vojny.html

[Insurgent]

Quote: carstorm 11

exactly. this is history. you need to know her

You also say that the 28th separate mechanized brigade carrying the "Balkenkreuz" is worthy of respect for knowing / honoring history ...

[carstorm 11]

why should I say this? I'm talking about the history of the order and not this parody of an army of 404 that copy everything in a row without understanding the meaning of the characters. The five-pointed star also has its own ancient history, but you do not focus on this.

[Insurgent]

Quote: carstorm 11

why should I say this? I'm talking about the history of the order and not this parody of an army of 404 that copy everything in a row without understanding the meaning of the characters.

For discussion stories orders, on the VO there is a separate tab "History" ...

[carstorm 11]

I know. I just pointed out to the person that the swastika and the cross are not the same thing.

[Incvizitor]

This is precisely the symbol that the fascists used if the type 1 symbol so many questions would not be here precisely on the fascist emphasis.

Before fascism, other crosses were used.

[carstorm 11]

I know. stylistics has differences. but let's say the one that the Nazis used appeared in my opinion in the year 15. when they did not even exist in theory. and that’s not the point. to say that the cross and the swastika are the same thing, to put it mildly, is not very correct. and the conversation started from that.

[Astra wild]

"Who copy everything in a row without understanding the meaning" "usually do monkeys like this. Remember the cartoon:" Mowgli "? There are Banderlog and Banderlog in Uraine too

[saygon66]

- By the way, the Order has not gone anywhere - it still exists ... And it even accepts applications for membership from citizens of Russia, post-Soviet countries and ... "East Prussia and Konigsberg"!
- It seems that the Order missed its intellectual property ...

[Ragnar Lodbrok]

Quote: carstorm 11

this is a strange conversation

Indeed, I didn’t have a stranger conversation here with anyone and never ..
That's what your favorite cross is associated with.

And about the knight dogs, Insurgent already answered.

[carstorm 11]

what is all this for? you yourself see in your picture where the swastika and where is the cross. what does the association have to do with it? the cross is the cross. a swastika is a swastika. why did you decide that they are my favorites I do not understand.

[tikhonov66]

you yourself see in your picture where the swastika and where is the cross. what does the association have to do with it?

- Tell me, "karstorm 11th version" - YOU - OR?
Both the cross and the swastika - they were started EXACTLY "FOR THE ASSOCIATION",
exactly for the same purpose for which the "red star" and "red banner" were conceived.

- Well, think, well, Hyty sometimes ...

[carstorm 11]

Lord ... The cross is hundreds of years old. what associations? who did they think then? Tefton knights? tell you the story of the appearance of the five-pointed star and who went with it? will you hysteria too? there are Nazi crimes and forbidden symbols of it. Crosses do not apply to them. point.

[MMX]

Swastika, yes.
And the cross (Prussian / Teutonic), probably yes.
But, in fairness, it should be noted that, unlike the swastika, the "Balkankreuz" was not banned. And it was perceived as a historical symbol to this day.

[carstorm 11]

you would go away from me. I do not like when inadequate support me. we talked about something else altogether and I don’t need your opinion at all. if it’s so strange that you don’t understand that the swastika before its prohibition was all over the world but became a symbol of Nazism later and now we decided to poke it, then you need to ventilate your head.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Svarog

Fascist swastika ... as the Ukrainian people suffer

Ukrainian people applaud.

But Russian people living in Ukraine do not tolerate this scum. Crimea and Donbass have decided. I think the rest of the territory will return to Russia.

Putin said that the republics during the partition of the USSR seized Russian lands and this is not right.

Time to return the land.

[Svarog]

Quote: Vladimir16

Time to return the land.

I fully support it, you should not silently watch how the Nazis breed at our borders .. They will be strengthened and they will certainly be sent to us at the right time.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: Svarog

do not silently watch how the Nazis breed at our borders ..

Well, what kind of suggestions?

[Alex_You]

Hold on and not getting up off the couch.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: Vladimir16

Time to return the land.

Do you know the method?

[tikhonov66]

Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer

Do you know the method?

- Well, of course!
Method - NATO and the USA explained it,
when they fought to pieces Yugoslavia, and then by the hands of Albanians
cleaned from the Serbs - the original Serbian territory
with thousand-year-old Orthodox monasteries
and then all the "Hague tribunal" - under the chairmanship
Carla Del Ponte - Fun Mocking
over the bones of the unfortunate Milosevic.

- this is now "20 years later" - the Washington regional committee allowed her
write a book - ABOUT CRIMES "white, fluffy and incredibly unhappy"
industrialized Albanians - trade in organs cut by them
the tortured and executed by them Serbs. Just!

- But those rich Europeans and Americans,
which transplanted organs cut out from the servos - they WAS SATISFIED!
So what are the claims against the Albanians?

Shame on the police state - the United States - the world's greatest TERRORIST and KILLER, professional Gangster, LIAR and FRAUD.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: tikhonov66

Shame on the police state - the United States - the world's greatest TERRORIST and KILLER, professional Gangster, LIAR and FRAUD.

Well, yes, yes, shame, etc., how could it be otherwise?

so I do not understand - you suggest using the method

Quote: tikhonov66

Professional Gangster, Liar and FRAUD

to satisfy their territorial wishes - "to tear apart"?
Or how to understand the reference to Yugoslavia and to terrorists and fraudsters with transplanted organs,

carved by them from the tortured and shot by them Serbs

How to understand your inspired speech?

[TAMBU]

it’s Balkenkreuz ... but it’s good that way ... about crosses and with whom God was in the modern RF trying not to spread ...

[Fedorovich]

This is even worse. The swastika was used thousands of years before these cattle scolded it, but the Balkencruise is a purely Nazi remake.

[4ekist]

Yes, until a sweatshirt and a wolf hook is not a hook, and a skull with bones on uniform is for beauty. This banner in the ass they push.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: 4ekist

and wolf hook

and what is it?

[4ekist]

"wolf hook" - the emblem of the SS Panzer Division "Das Reich"
More details: https://www.m24.ru/articles/sudy/07042015/70523?utm_source=CopyBuf
the "wolf's hook" ("wolfsangel"), which is now widespread in Ukrainian reality. According to Wikipedia, the wolf hook is an "out-of-alphabet runic symbol that symbolizes protection and capture of the enemy. The vertical image of the Wolfsangel is also known as" Thunderbolt "(German Donnerkeil). In the horizontal position it could symbolize a werewolf.
Presumably comes from the medieval way of catching wolves. A two-sided metal hook was attached to a tree, a piece of meat was hung on the hook, the wolf ate the meat and "fell into the bait."

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

ah, I got it. Precisely, the khendekhokhs from Azov, it seems, used the emblem of the 2nd PD. The only thing I can’t understand is the logic of these scoundrels - what is the connection between them and Das Reich?

[4ekist]

I understand that they want to be like them. They consider themselves the oldest nation, the Aryans.

[Ilya Nikitich]

Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer

Quote: 4ekist
and wolf hook


and what is it?

Comrade, are you sure that you visited that site?

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Just do not pretend that you are smarter than the Wasserman vest ....

Quote: Ilya Nikitich

Comrade

[Ilya Nikitich]

Yes, where am I to your knowledge ...

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

really...

[MMX]

Quote: carstorm 11

it is not a swastika. do not confuse please.

All right. This is not a swastika.

[ELEZKIY]

just as we put up our shobla, so do they. if we have such a flag to vote, 76 percent will be. and tolerate too ...

[DVR]

just as we put up our shobla, so do they. if we have such a flag to vote, 76 percent will be. and tolerate too ...

And then Putin had a hand in it, but ate fires.

[tikhonov66]

how do we endure our shobla

- and "we" are WHO?
I, for example, do not "tolerate" any "shobla",
unlike you ...
- so that you are all about YOURSELF, to yourself ...
For me and for others - it is NOT NECESSARY!
Personally, I - to supervise you for myself - DO NOT AUTHORIZE,
mister "sovramshi".

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Svarog

Fascist swastika ... as the Ukrainian people suffer, because how many of their ancestors suffered from the Nazis ..

Well, even the people of Germany didn’t really support Hitler. For the NSDAP, 33,1% voted in 1932.
After Hitler became chancellor, in March 1933, 43,9%. January 30, 1933 there were 850 thousand members of the NSDAP. Those. 1,3% of the entire German population infected the rest or forced them and, ultimately, sent every third adult German to the grave.
So in Ukraine, no more than 1,3% of the total population is also for Natsik.

[Pereira]

We were told about 1,3% in 2014. As it turned out, there are an order of magnitude more.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pereira

We were told about 1,3% in 2014. As it turned out, there are an order of magnitude more.

Honestly, I did not count them, maybe more, but they did not play a role, all the same, our fathers and grandfathers defeated them. And I can’t say about Ukraine.

[carstorm 11]

everything is much worse here. not everyone was infected with Nazism. but almost without exception they began to become infected with the so-called superiority over others. and the more Hitler won, the more such sentiments became. after the Versailles humiliation, nothing else was worth waiting for from the Germans. They received victories. and as they say caught a star. Then they repented. They said that they were mistaken, but this is a lie. only a new generation of Germans realized this.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

We all love to demonstrate the power of the hind mind. And you never wondered if you happened 100 years ago to be in the Hofbräuhaus on February 24, 20 at the presentation of the "25 points" of Hitler-Fede-Drexler on behalf of the then German Workers' Party without the prefix Nat.-Sots. - Would you support them? Just let's, without predictor anomalies, that, they say, then it was already possible to foresee that ... etc.
As?

[carstorm 11]

we could not be there. My family has been living and fighting in Russia since the 18th century. it's true..

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: carstorm 11

we could not be there.

Yes, it’s not about whether they could or could not. Okay, let's go, forget it.

[carstorm 11]

I am from the Berg clan. direct descendant. You can find yourself who we are. And where my ancestors could be. even hypothetically this is impossible.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

I'm not interested in your family tree, sorry. As, in fact, your identity. I told completely about other.

[carstorm 11]

but in vain. would have understood a lot.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Thanks, not interesting.

[Ilya Nikitich]

This is not a swastika and not an "iron cross", this is Balkenkreuz (German: Balkenkreuz). There is a difference, but there is also a similarity, adorned themselves with all this - ghouls.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Pereira

Guys should be praised for honesty.

Why should they be praised? In the 40s, such flags marched in Belgium and in Spain and Czechoslovakia, etc. ... then to recall what happened?
For this it is not necessary to praise, but to plant for a long time.

[Pereira]

Praise for not hiding their Nazi beliefs. He looked at the cross and you can immediately see who it is.
And if instead of the cross they depicted, say, a daisy, then you still need to figure out if you’ve come across a vegan?
But in order to plant, you must first catch. And the capture in 2014 was postponed indefinitely. As if not forever.
So these non-brothers will tease us with this symbolism for a long time to come.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pereira

Everything is logical. What an army, such a symbolism.
Guys should be praised for honesty.

How impressive is the "OMBR named after the Knights of the Winter March." This is in honor of those knights who drowned and died in Lake Peipsi, defeated by the Great Prince Alexander Nevsky.

[Pereira]

Rather, it is about this:
Medal "Ice Cream Meat".

[saygon66]

- No ... not from here legs grow ... we are talking about the events of 1919, in Ukraine ... Indeed, there was such a military operation, called the Winter Campaign. Conducted by the UPR Army.
- Yes, Avior posted a photo of the award for this event below ...

[tuts]

after honesty

NATO headquarters

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: tots

NATO headquarters

this makes no sense.

[tuts]

alas not photoshop
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Штаб-квартира_НАТО

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: tots

alas not photoshop

So what? Some kind of sick imagination is to see in this the SS runes.

[carstorm 11]

don't you believe in symbolism? But he is around us and constantly. NATO symbols do not resemble anything?

who steers that and inserts characters)
or that . remember these buildings?

accidentally think happened?)

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: carstorm 11

NATO symbols do not resemble anything?

no.

Quote: carstorm 11

or that . remember these buildings?

what kind?

[carstorm 11]

and you transfer the picture from the title of the article to it and see) and the building of the base of the US AMC in San Diego

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

what a nightmare...
Is it hard to live with such a talent for "guessing"?

"I see signs. They are everywhere" (c)

[carstorm 11]

you can’t see) I’m not going to impose your horizons. Humanity is looking for a symbol to express itself.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: carstorm 11

Humanity is looking for a symbol to express itself.

that is yes. Here is one (not the best) part of humanity that found the Balken Croix lying in the dust of history to express himself)

[carstorm 11]

in the dust?) are you healthy? here's an example of how you used it) treat the head.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: carstorm 11

in the dust?)

Yes exactly. But did Balkenkreuz in this form be used by someone after the Reich?

Quote: carstorm 11

you are healthy?

thanks for asking. Yes, quite healthy.

Quote: carstorm 11

treat the head.

Thank you, doctor, but somehow I will manage without the advice of a veterinarian.

[Victor_B]

Fascists they are fascists!
This is a diagnosis!

[Evdokim]

Quote: Victor_B

This is a diagnosis!

It is treated with soapy rope or with an ax like in the old days ...

[Slon_on]

There will be no prisoners with similar symbols from this brigade.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Balkenkreuz? Creative.
The Sumerians struck another bottom. Romance getting zvizdyule.

[carstorm 11]

this is pure Balkenkreuz ... completely off the coils? even if you remember that these stylized Teutonic, then they definitely understand that they do not serve in the Bundeswehr?)

[CAT BAIYUN]

Guys need to be praised for honesty

- it is necessary, it is necessary to praise, but then necessarily at a cost.

[HAM]

Mourning ribbons as in a cemetery .... immediately with the names of the dead ...

[ELEZKIY]

this is the result of our "correct" foreign policy. flowers, eprst. berries further.

[saygon66]

- Some kind of a hodgepodge ... At the top of the pole the emblem of the French infantry, on the panel - the Wehrmacht ...

- What would the former "patent holders" for the Balkankreuz say about these "laws"?

[carstorm 11]

I damn the attention and did not pay. You are right a copy of the Infantry Cockade 46-91

[Insurgent]

Quote: saygon66

- Some kind of a hodgepodge ... At the top of the pole the emblem of the French infantry, on the panel - the Wehrmacht ...

No wonder, in the absence of their own symbols, history, they row everything in a row, simultaneously adjusting to the format and traditions of NATO ...

[DIM (a)]

From the void, they create "Their myth leaving for the creation of the world" ... it's a pity that some buy for this (

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: saygon66

At the top of the flagpole is the emblem of the French infantry

but is this not a Sumerian osledets?))))

[tralflot1832]

And where our Jewish comrades do not hurt their eyes, this symbolism. Like most of those present on this site. Aspen stake or crowbar red-hot from one end. It’s better not to touch birches on crosses, this German trend should not be used for ukrvermaht.

[Cyril G ...]

It is surprising that some part, small by the way, no matter how surprising it may be, entot approves Nazism itself, albeit not directly. I don’t understand this logic.

[Dym71]

Quote: Cyril G ...

I don’t understand this logic.

It is simple:

Though with the devil, but against Russia

[prior]

Under this flag, there has long been relevant music.
Right, the funeral march.

[Liss Nikita]

Here he is, the flag, St. Nicholas again.

[Victor67]

Ah, it will fly beautifully to the foot of the Mausoleum!

[Gunter prereen]

Well, okay. It will be that throwing to the walls of the mausoleum, once again!

[tralflot1832]

There was an article that flew under the mausoleum. But still, the mood does not spoil. And if you have to throw the standards of the ukrvermahtm to the foot. So let the Donchans and Luganchans choose a place where this action will take place with them.

[Andrea]

It turns out, you can shoot like hares! The symbolism is not approved by law, but according to this, FIG knows who shot it there.
But attempts to smear NATO only cause contempt, and NATO should pay attention to the use of their symbols, they picked up tea in the garbage dump so that they couldn’t mold their flags.

[Crane]

This is not an iron cross, but a Balkankreuz - a symbol of the Wehrmacht during the Second World War. Everything as predicted in the movie "Ordinary Fascism" - Horst Wessel will break out again. And such a shame that this is happening in one of the parts of the former USSR, the true winner of the Nazis and fascists. Khrushchev had not to be removed and sent to the dacha, but to be shot.

[novel66]

but it was said

[KVU-NSVD]

At the cemetery in Rassoška polo similar crosses, and all similar ... All the same, it fights us with the Ukrainians - it’s boring from such an idea.

[Junior Warrant Officer]

Judging by the not quite sound logic of some commentators, this ambulance is correct, by the way Ukrainian

And this ambulance is fascist, and it’s ours ...

[Flamberg]

Are you equating the "Red Cross" and "Balkenkreuz" ??? Can still equate the cross of St. George ??

[Junior Warrant Officer]

And why doesn’t you have convulsions of the Balekreuz in the Bundeswehr?
Oh yes, they are now our friends, we are pulling the pipe to them ....

[Ilya Nikitich]

Scarecrow, and where did you see Balkenkreuz (German: Balkenkreuz) in the Bundeswehr?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Flamberg

put an equal sign between the "Red Cross" and "Balkenkreuz"

Do not be surprised - there are still not such roam. It looks like spring came later, adjusted for quarantine.

[DIM (a)]

Maybe the meaning is still not in the symbol, but in the ideas standing in each case?

[saygon66]

- In the first photo - there is no cross at all ... This symbol leads the story from the hagall runes ... The rune symbolized catastrophic changes, including ...

[tuts]

In February 1863, an international conference was convened in Geneva, on which the Red Cross was founded. The Swiss flag was chosen as the emblem of the society, on which the color of the red field was changed to white and the color of the white cross to red. The Committee of Five subsequently received the name “International Committee of the Red Cross”
and the Nazis?

[tralflot1832]

Well, finally, the minusers pulled up. The amendments are abandoned. Welcom !!!

[Ros 56]

The fact that they are the last of the fascists, we already know, will not surprise us with any signs. Only these fascist lackeys should not forget what they ended up with.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Ros 56

let these fascist lackeys forget what they ended up with

And they know

But nevertheless, we are firmly convinced that the "second front", the West, the USA, NATO, will not allow this to happen again.
And as long as this confidence is there, they will not calm down ...

[Tagan]

Quote: carstorm 11

I am German. and love the specifics.

You love the specifics, and we do not like the Nazis who walk under these crosses. Catch it?

[Romanenko]

The symbolism is new, the filling is old - rubbish, treason, betrayal. Of the famous non-sinking material like sweets, it’s not sculpting, but the smell remains.

[Tagan]

Quote: Alexey Petryaev

Yes, and even hang the ZIM watch on a cross, a clever man, there is a cross on George, but how do you know that the Colorada ribbon is the colors of the Amur tiger? Really scoop?

Pillar nobleman, you to Napoleon. There and tell him about the watch ZIM.

[pereselenec]

Why is there a mourning ribbon on the flag, as in a clath cemetery?

[babylon]

Because they care for them

[Tagan]

Quote: ELEZKIY

just as we put up our shobla, so do they. if we have such a flag to vote, 76 percent will be. and tolerate too ...

What does the Constitution never let go of? Here we have Mr. Petryaev. So he puts a watch for all ZIM.)))

[Al_lexx]

Sheer nonsense. And in the minds of Ukrainians justifying such symbolism. and in the author’s head, with his explanations.
The "Serbian cross" (it is also called the Balkan cross) has nothing to do with the Teutonic "iron" one. They look different. This time.
This symbolism has nothing to do with the "ice campaign", as well as the entire area, in general. That's two.
In general, some kind of hellish mixture generated by a morbid fantasy, the NATO wind rose, the falling trident falcon and the so-called "Serbian cross", which was used by the Wehrmacht, among other things, in World War II. In general, as it is - cinema and the Germans. )))

[Ilya Nikitich]

Well, the Wehrmacht did not use the "Serbian cross" (it is also called the Balkan cross) as an identification mark, did not use it. But Balkenkreuz (German Balkenkreuz) - yes.

[Al_lexx]

Quote: Ilya Nikitich

Well, the Wehrmacht did not use the "Serbian cross" (it is also called the Balkan cross) as an identification mark, did not use it. But Balkenkreuz (German Balkenkreuz) - yes.

The Balkan and Serbian cross are two names of the same cross. The difference in styles is minimal and not significant. However, I'm not going to prove anything to anyone, because this is stupidity. )))

[Al_lexx]

Offended sofa special minusanul and cursed ...))
The usual thing..

[akarfoxhound]

And the brigadeführer will command the ukropitek brigade with such a "brigade flag". Everything is logical

[Junior Private]

Banderolozhtsy, not having their own history and historical symbolism, which in their opinion has been going on since the excavation of the Black Sea, gently yearn for the Nazi symbols of their masters. Equally symbolic is the fact that at the brigade level signs are molded onto the form without any assertions at the state level. Who in general commands the army is not clear.

[Tagan]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Alexey Petryaev

Yes, and even hang the ZIM watch on a cross, a clever man, there is a cross on George, but how do you know that the Colorada ribbon is the colors of the Amur tiger? Really scoop?

, finally "cuckoo"?

Entered into a rage?

The talking head conducts a PR-promotion of a ZIM watch, but he was a little mistaken with the address. He seems to want to say something, but he can operate with words within the stick inserted into the head of a flash drive.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Tagan

The talking head conducts a PR-action

Already the second day went, however. Yes, a funny organism, although such ones regularly skip here. True, for the most part, everything is quiet, but this one is already peddling - it is threatening, sickly.

[APASUS]

ombre named after the Knights of the Winter Campaign.

That's really cool! Ukrainian knights - it's not even to dig the Black Sea with a shovel

[Avior]

Everything is very simple there.
In 1920, in memory of the battles with the Denikin’s army, which, incidentally, significantly helped the Red Army (at that time in Ukraine there was a situation against everyone) decided to award the participants of the battles with the Iron Cross order
Here it is

This is 1920, the Iron Cross
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Орден_«Железный_крест»_(Украинская_Народная_Республика)
Sketched in the hope that no one will check anything, and the direction of thoughts in the article is set perfectly, that's where they went.
Balkeneroytsom, by the way, is not only essentially irrelevant, but even outwardly in appearance. Like no more than one cross to another.

https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Балкенкройц

But the direction of thought prompted, and she went
Sadly: (((

[saygon66]

- But wasn’t the Germans present in Ukraine at that time?

[siemens7774]

Actually, the UPR was organized by the Germans. By that time, the present territory of Ukraine was occupied by 70% by German troops and was formed according to the plan of General Hoffmann. Read the book "General Hoffmann-Project Ukraine". 1912. Reprinted in 1927 with additions.

[Avior]

Actually, this has nothing to do with the topic.
Not to mention that this is utter nonsense

[siemens7774]

Take a look at Vienna and visit the state archive of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Section Russia, and read how they organized this squalor.

[Avior]

Section Russia, and read how they organized this squalor.

I have been to Vienna repeatedly
Well, they brought Lenin in a sealed car
What does this have to do with the topic ?!
Have you read what it is about?

[siemens7774]

You weren’t in Vienna at all. Especially in the State Archive. It’s what you wrote in those docks that you missed the most important thing. You don’t like it. All movements were on Kerensky’s liberals, not the Communists.

[Cat]

The funeral bow symbolizes, as it were ...

[paco.soto]

Laughing: hang up the air raid!
Googled the photo - it's just another volunteer initiative, some creative students in support of the university. And that’s it. Let’s look at the children's drawings sent to dads to the front for these 6 years and bomb them from their sofas!
With smile.
https://www.ukrmilitary.com/2020/06/horugva-28bde.html?m=1
Who is not a Slav and cannot understand the link - I’ll translate.

[vvp2412]

Winter Camp Knight Ombre

Correctly write: .... Knights of the anus ..

[tralflot1832]

You can have your own five copecks Knights - rear-wheel drive passage!

[TermNachTer]

In banderland, it’s fashionable now, it’s geyropeyski

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Who else will say that the outskirts and its people are to us ,, brothers ,,? ..

[babylon]

They had already predicted their future in advance by putting an end to themselves.

[Bare]

They die like a Swede near Poltava.

[Glory to Berkut]

To paraphrase Vladimir Vysotsky a little:
They don’t even need crosses to graves - crosses will come down on towers

[TermNachTer]

This cross reminds me very much of the Wehrmacht.

[Yun Klob]

The 28th Ombre of the Armed Forces of the Knights of the Anus - it sounds proudly!

[Vasyan1971]

Balkenkreuz is. Before the Nazi swastika at the state level, there was a ma-a-scarlet little step.

[Cristall]

The meeting of heraldry specialists is open.
Well, or specialists in double standards.
By the way, there was the same topic on VO for this emblem. Apparently there was not enough "Nazi Nazis in Ukraine" to take out angrily "what is it about neighbors to accuse them of something"
https://topwar.ru/163160-dlja-odesskoj-brigady-vsu-utverdili-simvoliku-s-chernym-krestom.html
And the network discussed it back in 2019 ... January ...
did Estonians write an article?
If the topic is written - "Something is being discussed on the network"
then give a link to where and when it happens!
I can rivet dozens of articles about what is supposedly being discussed on the net ...
After all, evidence that this is relevant and negotiable is not required.
I have never seen the original source in such "discussion discussions"!
But by the way, such articles are adjusted purely for emotions. It is necessary to maintain the fire of hatred. They say there "again these fascists are doing outrageousness."
Well, they wanted to imitate
Iron Cross UPR

News of the century .. Confirmation of "fascists"
Let's talk about the "fascists" too, because all the experts on logs in the eyes ..

Sound familiar?
But after all, there are immediately some differences for specialists in heraldry (theirs are not right, but strangers are entirely fascists)
A very popular topic of the information war of Ukraine and the Russian Federation is that both countries accuse each other of fascism, and are looking for confirmation in symbolism, actions and behavior ..
And they do it!
A moment of hate as usual ...

[Ilya Nikitich]

Agree that

More like

Than on

[Pavel73]

No hate. This is just a statement of fact. Ukraine is a fascist state. This follows directly from her laws. And symbolism only confirms this.

[Revolver]

Balkenkreuz.

[Pavel73]

Ukraine - NATO - The Third Reich. Everything is more than clear.

[Metallurg_2]

And does a winter hike mean a drape march from Debaltseve in 2015?