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The network discusses the new symbols of the 28th APU brigade

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The network is discussing the introduction of new symbols of the 28th separate mechanized brigade of the armed forces of Ukraine. This team has already attracted attention - upon receipt of the "honorable" name - the Ombre named after the Knights of the Winter Campaign. The new discussion is connected with what is depicted on the flag of the 28th APU brigade received these days by the Ombre command.


This is the so-called "Iron Cross", which will henceforth be worn by servicemen of the 28th Armed Forces brigade on the sleeve patch (chevron).

It is noted that while flags of this kind do not have official status, however, Ukraine is preparing to consider an appropriate bill that aims to ensure that the symbols are recognized at the state level. A strange phenomenon: the symbolism does not have an official status, but on the other hand, military personnel are already ordered to use such chevrons on their uniforms.

Earlier, the "brigade flag" received the Ukrainian armed group "Cold Yar." This name has for some time been the 93rd APU brigade.

The new symbolism of the 28th mechanized brigade is a black cross with white edges. The Armed Forces Command declares that this symbol "refers to the award of the fighters of the Ukrainian People’s Republic of 1917-1921." At the same time, Ukrainian users, commenting on the new emblem of one of the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, note that to a greater extent it refers to completely different armed groups, and the words about the UNR are only an attempt to “dust the brains of those who perfectly understand which direction the Ukrainian army is leading and all of Ukraine. "
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28th Ombre of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
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  1. Pereira
    Pereira 30 June 2020 09: 27 New
    46
    Everything is logical. What an army, such a symbolism.
    Guys should be praised for honesty.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 30 June 2020 09: 37 New
      62
      Quote: Pereira
      Everything is logical. What an army, such a symbolism.


      The only correct cross posed on a similar phenomenon.

      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 30 June 2020 09: 39 New
        30
        Quote: Pereira
        Everything is logical. What an army, such a symbolism.
        Guys should be praised for honesty.

        Death to the Nazis.
        And the guys you want to praise.

        These ghouls do not put a birch cross, but you need to drive an aspen stake.

        At first they say that they are just soldiers. They followed orders.
        And then nits with fascist symbols in the service of the country and the street are called by the names of the Nazis.

        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 30 June 2020 10: 00 New
          26
          Quote: Vladimir16
          Death to the Nazis.

          Yeah, the familiar cross: by nazi tanks and their own aircraft.

          Threads ...
        2. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 30 June 2020 10: 52 New
          16
          You confuse the sequence Vladimir. At first they commit crimes, then when they get captured they shout that they were scribes, and in general their national squad detachments made machine guns shoot under machine guns.
        3. avg
          avg 30 June 2020 12: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: Vladimir16
          At first they say that they are just soldiers. They followed orders.
          And then nits with fascist symbols in the service of the country and the street are called by the names of the Nazis.

          Well, all in the leadership they have some bastards, but how do the others endure it, and even get offended when they call them fascists. I would have quit before this obscurantism, only the first time I heard in my address "komanduvat pidrozdіlom".
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 30 June 2020 09: 49 New
        24
        Earlier here at VO, apparently not understanding who they were dealing with, they tried to convince me that "there is no Nazism in Ukraine"...
        Something is quiet now. Hidden banderlogs?



        Congratulations on the New Order (Ordnung)

        Kherson Mayor Vladimir Mikolaenko decided to remind residents of the city of who is one of the founders of the modern Ukrainian state. A poster appeared in the city, depicting the “Act of the Proclamation of the Ukrainian Power”, published in Lviv occupied by the Nazis on July 10, 1941. The "act" was adopted by Nazi bedding, and it contained the following wonderful point:


        "3. The newly rising Ukrainian State will closely cooperate with the National Socialist Great Germany, which, under the leadership of its Leader Adolf Hitler, creates a new order in Europe and in the world and helps the Ukrainian People free themselves from the Moscow occupation.

        The Ukrainian National Revolutionary Army, which is being created on Ukrainian soil, will continue to fight the allied German army against the Moscow occupation of the Sovereign Soborny Soborny State and the new order throughout the world. ”
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 30 June 2020 10: 01 New
          17
          I want to wish Kherson Mer a sleep after this demonstration of Hitler’s service.

          It seems that at present the fascists occupied Kherson, Kharkov, Odessa and other Russian cities.
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        3. Bear040
          Bear040 30 June 2020 12: 02 New
          12
          You are mistaken. Here alone and today she rubs that Ukraine is supposedly white and fluffy and that there are supposedly no fascists, and for everything that is presented to him, he writes that he is very smart, and we are all yap. Nick Bandera - Sloboda0 (Alex)
        4. DVR
          DVR 30 June 2020 13: 12 New
          +2
          Earlier here in VO, apparently not understanding who they were dealing with, they tried to convince me that "there is no Nazism in Ukraine" ...
          Something is quiet now. Hidden banderlogs?

          Some of them even stoke against Natsik :) So as not to shine too much, and at the same time they get hypelaughing
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        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 30 June 2020 10: 53 New
          19
          Quote: Alexey Petryaev
          Yes, and even the ZIM watch hang on the cross a smart guy, there is a cross on George, but how do you know that the Colorado ribbon is the color of the Amur tiger? Really scoop?

          fool finally "cuckoo"?

          Entered into a rage?

          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 30 June 2020 11: 14 New
            12
            Quote: Insurgent
            Entered into a rage?

            And so the klystrons flew out in the head, and then the cuckoo was completely demolished.
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                1. siemens7774
                  siemens7774 1 July 2020 21: 52 New
                  +1
                  4ekist, they are already running. When they opened the checkpoints on the border of Ukraine with Europe. After 6 hours only 4000 footers crossed the border. But the good thing is that 2700 people with a changed last name went to permanent residence in Croatia and the Czech Republic, representatives of Nazi movements.
          3. zadorin1974
            zadorin1974 30 June 2020 11: 33 New
            17
            I greet Insurgent. It is difficult to swear at the body that speaks on it)))) One joy, IT is not here for long)))) By the way, colleagues, there are more and more of them on the site.
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        2. Rosko
          Rosko 30 June 2020 11: 20 New
          +7
          Do you write from a fool?
        3. Fedorovich
          Fedorovich 30 June 2020 11: 43 New
          +2
          Take substances and leave the thread.
          1. avg
            avg 30 June 2020 15: 09 New
            +4
            So they according to the program Suprun fools closed. And here are the first results.
        4. tikhonov66
          tikhonov66 30 June 2020 12: 52 New
          +8
          Colorado ribbon is the colors of the Amur tiger

          - stupid anti-soviet man,
          This is your “Colorado Ribbon,”
          and in Russia this is already 250 years old - this is the St. George (!) tape
          - established under the Order of St. George the Victorious Liberator -

          It was established by Catherine the Second on November 26, 1769 during the Russo-Turkish War of 1768-1774 to promote fidelity, courage and prudence for the good of the Russian Empire, shown in courageous deeds or wise advice.

          The tape was supplemented by the motto: “For service and courage”, as well as a white equilateral cross or a four-pointed gold star. The ribbon was worn, depending on the class of the gentleman: in the buttonhole or on the neck, or over the right shoulder. The tape was supposed to be a life-time salary.
      4. Cananecat
        Cananecat 30 June 2020 14: 36 New
        +5
        It seems to me that Red Square is waiting for another parade with the banners of the defeated divisions ...
      5. 4ekist
        4ekist 30 June 2020 15: 54 New
        +1
        "Honorary" name - ombre named after the Knights of the Winter Campaign. - in memory of the Battle of Ice 1242.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 30 June 2020 09: 39 New
      21
      Fascist swastika ... as the Ukrainian people suffer, because how many of their ancestors suffered from the Nazis ..
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 30 June 2020 09: 41 New
        -4
        it is not a swastika. do not confuse please.
        1. Ragnar Lodbrok
          Ragnar Lodbrok 30 June 2020 09: 46 New
          14
          Not surprised. Everything is logical.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 30 June 2020 09: 47 New
            -18
            so that this is not a swastika? how can it surprise? a reasonable person knows the difference between a swastika and a cross
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 30 June 2020 09: 50 New
              10
              Quote: carstorm 11
              so that this is not a swastika? how can it surprise? a reasonable person knows the difference between a swastika and a cross

              Here you are complicated .. well not a swastika, but very similar ..
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 30 June 2020 09: 51 New
                -15
                I am German. and love the specifics.
                1. Moskovit
                  Moskovit 30 June 2020 11: 13 New
                  +4
                  We Russians also love specifics. And this cross specifically recalls the Wehrmacht. What exactly does this unit have to do with the German army?
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 30 June 2020 11: 17 New
                    -12
                    Well, as if her cross was a symbol before Hitler. and after stayed. quite specific)
                2. Incvizitor
                  Incvizitor 30 June 2020 12: 22 New
                  +1
                  This is exactly the same as in the pz.
                  https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/3-tank-pzkpfw-iv-t-4-dmitry-laudin.jpg
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 30 June 2020 12: 23 New
                    +2
                    did you read the conversation carefully? man called it a swastika. I said that this is not a swastika but a cross. why are you showing me this? also do not know the difference?
                    1. Incvizitor
                      Incvizitor 30 June 2020 12: 27 New
                      +1
                      My grandfather who fought with the Nazis and called both swastikas and I agree with him the same meaning.
                      1. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 30 June 2020 12: 29 New
                        -4
                        Am I bothering you to think so? but I know the difference between a swastika forbidden in the world and a cross that is almost a thousand years old
                      2. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 30 June 2020 14: 27 New
                        +7
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        but I know the difference between a swastika forbidden in the world and a cross that is almost a thousand years old

                        Well, since you are applying for the status of a reasonable person, you should understand that in the case of Ukraine this is a provocation in its purest form. if in Germany it is a symbol with a hundred-year history, then in Ukraine it is a symbol of a strictly defined time period from 1941 to 1944 and this symbol refers specifically to the collaboration with the Nazis. This is clear?
                      3. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 30 June 2020 14: 55 New
                        +1
                        you think they are too reasonable) this is not a provocation but a stupidity of pure water. they grab symbols and attach themselves to them without understanding their meaning at all. this is just the point) there a person correctly noticed the hash is generally incomprehensible as symbols related to Ukraine. The shafts peak sign of the French infantry. Balkenkreuz was stuck on the canvas. there is no system and no thinking. pure water pathos and illiteracy. the symbol of Nazism is a swastika. not a cross. he is a symbol of the German army. in different styles was before Hitler and has remained to this day. Do you understand the level of stupidity?)
                      4. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 30 June 2020 19: 29 New
                        +3
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        you think they are too reasonable) this is not a provocation but a stupidity of pure water.

                        are mistaken. this is a fully conscious and intentional step. in the territory of the former USSR everyone knows what it is and with what it is associated. It’s no secret that in 2014 the junta seized power with the help of neo-Nazi militants, and they cannot get rid of these “friends”. More recently, the state funded the same organizations as C14 and the right sector. after the start of ethnic cleansing had to go into the shadows. even the EU will not understand this. mind you, do not fight with such organizations, but hide their funding in non-governmental funds.
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        there, the person correctly noticed the hash is generally incomprehensible as symbols related to Ukraine.

                        absolutely right. there is almost no connection with Ukraine. symbolism associates a military unit with collaborators.
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        the symbol of Nazism is a swastika. not a cross. he is a symbol of the German army. in different styles was before Hitler and has remained to this day. Do you understand the level of stupidity?)

                        you wrote that you live in Germany, right? apparently you don’t understand this ... in the territory of the former USSR this symbol is strictly associated with the fascist occupiers. Remember the photo from the Ju-87? here it is obvious to almost everyone. all these scientific maxims that the cross is an ancient military symbol of the German army, and the swastika is just a symbol of the solstice, or whatever, it all does not work. in the territory of the former USSR they are fascists. such a trace was left by the carriers of these symbols on our earth, and such a meaning was assigned to these symbols. request
                        I agree about the level of stupidity. sooner or later they will return to the orbit of Russia again and with such a historical train it will not be easy for them .. but it seems to dance on a rake, this is a tradition wink
                      5. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 30 June 2020 19: 36 New
                        +2
                        I do not live. I am German but Russian. such a perdamonocle) but we honor our traditions. honor history. language and culture. my ancestors were dying for Russia. and this is not pathos. the German diaspora in Russia has always been big. for this reason I know what this cross is. this is my story. the swastika is a symbol of Nazism. of what my grandfather and grandmother fought against. but the symbols of my people are completely different. this cross was not given to them and they did not create it.
                      6. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 30 June 2020 20: 17 New
                        +3
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        I do not live. I am German but Russian.

                        then we should understand wink you yourself know that in Russia for the majority there is no positive component in this symbolism. request for you, yes, but for the vast majority, no. Do you understand?
                      7. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 30 June 2020 20: 18 New
                        +2
                        so I only spoke on my own. pay attention to it.
                      8. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 30 June 2020 20: 28 New
                        +3
                        I see wink but after trying to hang a board to Mannerheim, a monument to Krasnov and so on, the people are very painful and aggressive towards any attempts to somehow wash the Nazis. I understand that you are not talking about it at all, but you took it just like that ...
                        PS
                        I feel played out our politicians with patriotism wink sooner or later, people will notice under what flag we are living now and who fought under this flag in the great Patriotic War. wink the situation is very uncomfortable bully
                      9. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 30 June 2020 20: 33 New
                        +1
                        people have the right to respond. it is right.
                  2. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 30 June 2020 20: 32 New
                    +1
                    I know. if in childhood m not what I said a German fascist I gave in the face. Now the same thing) Nazism and its symbols despise. but the fact that my story will protect.
                3. MMX
                  MMX 30 June 2020 20: 36 New
                  0
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  I do not live. I am German but Russian. such a perdamonocle) but we honor our traditions. honor history. language and culture.

                  I note that the Germans are very well organized. Media, festivals, education. And everything is very organic, without extremism. Respected.

                  the German diaspora in Russia has always been large

                  To put it mildly. Enough to remember the Romanov dynasty.
                4. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 30 June 2020 20: 39 New
                  +1
                  I couldn’t add anything here)
              2. perm23
                perm23 2 July 2020 09: 14 New
                0
                Balkenkreuz (German: Balkenkreuz) is an identification mark of the Wehrmacht (German armed forces) and its units during the Second World War. Used in Heer (Ground Forces), Luftwaffe (Air Force) and Kriegsmarine (Navy). It is a stylization of the Teutonic cross and the cross of St. Nicholas.
            2. siemens7774
              siemens7774 1 July 2020 22: 00 New
              0
              The funniest thing is that Independents have performed this dance for the fourth time, and every 300 years.
  • sedoj
    sedoj 30 June 2020 21: 10 New
    +2
    This is exactly the same as in the pz.
    https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/3-tank-pzkpfw-iv-t-4-dmitry-laudin.jpg

    I will show your picture:
  • tikhonov66
    tikhonov66 30 June 2020 12: 56 New
    +3
    [quoteя German. and love the specifics] [/ quote]
    - lyubishl? - GET.
    Both the fascist swastika and the fascist crosses -
    should be driven into the ground two meters - forever.
    - such "specifics" - more AVAILABLE ?!
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 30 June 2020 13: 06 New
      -5
      the swastika is forbidden by the whole world. the crosses were before the Nazis and continue to be the same in life. what you call the fascist cross actually appeared in 1918 Balkenkreuz.
  • Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 30 June 2020 09: 51 New
    +8
    This Teutonic cross on fascist tanks was that invaded our land. Or did you just want to debate, did you get bored at work?
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 30 June 2020 09: 54 New
      -21
      this is a strange conversation. there is a cross. there is a swastika. everything is clear and specific. do not mix one with the other. the history of this cross is long.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 30 June 2020 10: 15 New
        10
        Quote: carstorm 11
        this is a strange conversation. there is a cross. there is a swastika. everything is clear and specific. do not mix one with the other. the history of this cross is long.

        BUT... what ... "Teutonic cross", in the shadow of which the knight dogs once made attempts to" civilize Russia "?
        The cross with which the "noble knights", during the "crusades" "freeing the Holy Sepulcher," destabilized, destroyed a more civilized Arab world than them?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 30 June 2020 10: 33 New
          -12
          exactly. this is history. you need to know her.
          https://topwar.ru/152719-tevtonskij-orden-psy-rycari-na-dorogah-vojny.html
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 30 June 2020 10: 37 New
            +9
            Quote: carstorm 11
            exactly. this is history. you need to know her


            You still say that the 28th separate mechanized brigade carrying the "Balkenkreuz" is worthy of respect for knowing / honoring history ...
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 30 June 2020 10: 39 New
              -11
              why should I say this? I'm talking about the history of the order and not this parody of an army of 404 that copy everything in a row without understanding the meaning of the characters. The five-pointed star also has its own ancient history, but you do not focus on this.
            2. Insurgent
              Insurgent 30 June 2020 10: 43 New
              +6
              Quote: carstorm 11
              why should I say this? I'm talking about the history of the order and not this parody of an army of 404 that copy everything in a row without understanding the meaning of the characters.


              For discussion stories orders, in VO there is a separate tab "History" ...
            3. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 30 June 2020 10: 45 New
              -10
              I know. I just pointed out to the person that the swastika and the cross are not the same thing.
            4. Incvizitor
              Incvizitor 30 June 2020 12: 55 New
              +2
              This is precisely the symbol that the fascists used if the type 1 symbol so many questions would not be here precisely on the fascist emphasis.

              Before fascism, other crosses were used.

            5. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 30 June 2020 12: 59 New
              0
              I know. stylistics has differences. but let's say the one that the Nazis used appeared in my opinion in the year 15. when they did not even exist in theory. and that’s not the point. to say that the cross and the swastika are the same thing, to put it mildly, is not very correct. and the conversation started from that.
      2. Astra wild
        Astra wild 30 June 2020 21: 16 New
        +3
        “Which copy everything in a row without understanding the meaning” “usually monkeys do that. Remember the cartoon:“ Mowgli? ”There are banderlogs and in Uraine also banderlogs
  • saygon66
    saygon66 30 June 2020 10: 35 New
    +5
    - By the way, the Order has not gone anywhere - it still exists ... And even accepts applications for entry from citizens of Russia, countries of the former Soviet Union and ... "East Prussia and Koenigsberg"!
    - It seems that the Order missed its intellectual property ...
  • Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 30 June 2020 10: 45 New
    23
    Quote: carstorm 11
    this is a strange conversation

    Indeed, I didn’t have a stranger conversation here with anyone and never ..
    That's what your favorite cross is associated with.

    And about the knight dogs, Insurgent already answered.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 30 June 2020 10: 49 New
      -17
      what is all this for? you yourself see in your picture where the swastika and where is the cross. what does the association have to do with it? the cross is the cross. a swastika is a swastika. why did you decide that they are my favorites I do not understand.
      1. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 30 June 2020 13: 06 New
        +1
        you yourself see in your picture where the swastika and where is the cross. what does the association have to do with it?

        - Tell me, "carstorm of the 11th version" - YOU - OR?
        Both the cross and the swastika - they were conceived EXACTLY "FOR THE ASSOCIATION",
        precisely for the same reason that the "red star" and the "red banner" were conceived.

        - Well, think, well, Hyty sometimes ...
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 30 June 2020 13: 09 New
          -4
          Lord ... The cross is hundreds of years old. what associations? who did they think then? Tefton knights? tell you the story of the appearance of the five-pointed star and who went with it? will you hysteria too? there are Nazi crimes and forbidden symbols of it. Crosses do not apply to them. point.
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  • MMX
    MMX 30 June 2020 21: 05 New
    +1


    Swastika, yes.
    And the cross (Prussian / Teutonic), probably yes.
    But, in fairness, it is worth noting that, unlike the swastika, the “Balkenkreuz” was not banned. And was perceived as a historical symbol to this day.
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    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 30 June 2020 14: 20 New
      +2
      you would go away from me. I do not like when inadequate support me. we talked about something else altogether and I don’t need your opinion at all. if it’s so strange that you don’t understand that the swastika before its prohibition was all over the world but became a symbol of Nazism later and now we decided to poke it, then you need to ventilate your head.
  • Vladimir16
    Vladimir16 30 June 2020 09: 47 New
    +5
    Quote: Svarog
    Fascist swastika ... as the Ukrainian people suffer

    Ukrainian people applaud.

    But Russian people living in Ukraine do not tolerate this scum. Crimea and Donbass have decided. I think the rest of the territory will return to Russia.

    Putin said that the republics during the partition of the USSR seized Russian lands and this is not right.

    Time to return the land.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 30 June 2020 09: 52 New
      +7
      Quote: Vladimir16

      Time to return the land.

      I fully support it, you should not silently watch how the Nazis breed at our borders .. They will be strengthened and they will certainly be sent to us at the right time.
      1. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 30 June 2020 10: 35 New
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        do not silently watch how the Nazis breed at our borders ..

        Well, what kind of suggestions?
        1. Alex_You
          Alex_You 30 June 2020 13: 14 New
          -1
          Hold on and not getting up off the couch.
    2. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 30 June 2020 10: 16 New
      -3
      Quote: Vladimir16
      Time to return the land.


      Do you know the method?
      1. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 30 June 2020 13: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
        Do you know the method?

        - Well, of course!
        Method - NATO and the USA explained it,
        when they fought to pieces Yugoslavia, and then by the hands of Albanians
        cleaned from the Serbs - the original Serbian territory
        with thousand-year-old Orthodox monasteries
        and then by the entire Hague Tribunal - under the chairmanship
        Carla Del Ponte - Fun Mocking
        over the bones of the unfortunate Milosevic.

        - this is now "20 years later" - the Washington Regional Committee allowed her
        write a book - ABOUT CRIMES of "white, furry and incredibly miserable"
        industrialized Albanians - trade in organs cut by them
        the tortured and executed by them Serbs. Just!

        - But those rich Europeans and Americans,
        which transplanted organs cut out from the servos - they WAS SATISFIED!
        So what are the claims against the Albanians?

        Shame on the police state - the United States - the world's greatest TERRORIST and KILLER, professional Gangster, LIAR and FRAUD.
        1. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 30 June 2020 13: 59 New
          -5
          Quote: tikhonov66
          Shame on the police state - the United States - the world's greatest TERRORIST and KILLER, professional Gangster, LIAR and FRAUD.


          Well, yes, yes, shame, etc., how could it be otherwise?

          so I do not understand - you suggest using the method
          Quote: tikhonov66
          Professional Gangster, Liar and FRAUD
          to satisfy their territorial Wishlist - "tear to pieces"?
          Or how to understand the reference to Yugoslavia and to terrorists and fraudsters with transplanted organs,
          carved by them from the tortured and shot by them Serbs

          How to understand your inspired speech?
  • TAMBU
    TAMBU 30 June 2020 10: 01 New
    0
    it’s Balkenkreuz ... but it’s good that way ... about crosses and with whom God was in the modern RF trying not to spread ...
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  • Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 30 June 2020 11: 44 New
    +1
    This is even worse. The swastika was used thousands of years before these cattle scolded it, but the Balkencruise is a purely Nazi remake.
  • 4ekist
    4ekist 30 June 2020 15: 59 New
    0
    Yes, until a sweatshirt and a wolf hook is not a hook, and a skull with bones on uniform is for beauty. This banner in the ass they push.
    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 30 June 2020 19: 15 New
      -2
      Quote: 4ekist
      and wolf hook


      and what is it?
      1. 4ekist
        4ekist 30 June 2020 19: 20 New
        0
        "wolf hook" - emblem of the SS Panzer Division "Das Reich"
        More details: https://www.m24.ru/articles/sudy/07042015/70523?utm_source=CopyBuf
        common now in Ukrainian reality is the “wolf hook” (“wolfsangel”). According to Wikipedia, a wolf hook is an “extra-alphabetical runic symbol, symbolizing the defense and capture of the enemy. The vertical image of the wolfsangel” is also known as “Thunderbolt” (English “thunderbolt”, German Donnerkeil). In horizontal position it could symbolize a werewolf.
        Presumably comes from the medieval way of catching wolves. A two-sided metal hook was attached to a tree, a piece of meat was hung on the hook, the wolf ate the meat and "fell into the bait."
        1. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 30 June 2020 19: 38 New
          0
          ah, got it. Similarly, the Handehokhs from Azov, it seems, used the emblem of the 2nd PD. The only thing I can’t understand is the logic of these bastards - what is the connection between them and Das Reich?
          1. 4ekist
            4ekist 30 June 2020 19: 48 New
            0
            I understand that they want to be like them. They consider themselves the oldest nation, the Aryans.
      2. Ilya Nikitich
        Ilya Nikitich 1 July 2020 00: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker

        Quote: 4ekist
        and wolf hook


        and what is it?

        Comrade, are you sure that you visited that site?
        1. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 1 July 2020 10: 07 New
          -2
          Just do not pretend that you are smarter than the Wasserman vest ....
          Quote: Ilya Nikitich
          Comrade
          1. Ilya Nikitich
            Ilya Nikitich 1 July 2020 12: 26 New
            0
            Yes, where am I to your knowledge ...
            1. Dr. Frankenstucker
              Dr. Frankenstucker 1 July 2020 12: 42 New
              -2
              really...
  • MMX
    MMX 30 June 2020 20: 28 New
    0
    Quote: carstorm 11
    it is not a swastika. do not confuse please.


    All right. This is not a swastika.
  • ELEZKIY
    ELEZKIY 30 June 2020 09: 49 New
    -3
    just as we put up our shobla, so do they. if we have such a flag to vote, 76 percent will be. and tolerate too ...
    1. DVR
      DVR 30 June 2020 13: 07 New
      +2
      just as we put up our shobla, so do they. if we have such a flag to vote, 76 percent will be. and tolerate too ...

      And then Putin had a hand in it, but ate fires.
    2. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 30 June 2020 13: 23 New
      +1
      how do we endure our shobla

      - and "we" are WHO?
      For example, I don’t tolerate any “shoble”,
      unlike you ...
      - so that you are all about YOURSELF, to yourself ...
      For me and for others - it is NOT NECESSARY!
      Personally, I - to supervise you for myself - DO NOT AUTHORIZE,
      mister "lie."
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 30 June 2020 11: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    Fascist swastika ... as the Ukrainian people suffer, because how many of their ancestors suffered from the Nazis ..

    Well, even the people of Germany didn’t really support Hitler. For the NSDAP, 33,1% voted in 1932.
    After Hitler became chancellor, in March 1933, 43,9%. January 30, 1933 there were 850 thousand members of the NSDAP. Those. 1,3% of the entire German population infected the rest or forced them and, ultimately, sent every third adult German to the grave.
    So in Ukraine, no more than 1,3% of the total population is also for Natsik.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 30 June 2020 11: 59 New
      0
      We were told about 1,3% in 2014. As it turned out, there are an order of magnitude more.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 30 June 2020 12: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Pereira
        We were told about 1,3% in 2014. As it turned out, there are an order of magnitude more.

        Honestly, I did not count them, maybe more, but they did not play a role, all the same, our fathers and grandfathers defeated them. And I can’t say about Ukraine.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 30 June 2020 15: 12 New
      +1
      everything is much worse here. not everyone was infected with Nazism. but almost without exception they began to become infected with the so-called superiority over others. and the more Hitler won, the more such sentiments became. after the Versailles humiliation, nothing else was worth waiting for from the Germans. They received victories. and as they say caught a star. Then they repented. They said that they were mistaken, but this is a lie. only a new generation of Germans realized this.
      1. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 30 June 2020 19: 32 New
        0
        We all love to demonstrate the power of the back mind. And you never wondered - if you happened to be in Hofbräuhaus 100 years ago on February 24, 20th year, at the presentation of the "25 points" of Hitler-Fede-Drexler on behalf of the then German Slave Party without the prefix Nats.-Sots. “Would you support them?” Just give without predictor anomalies, which, they say, then it was already possible to predict that ... etc.
        As?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 30 June 2020 19: 40 New
          0
          we could not be there. My family has been living and fighting in Russia since the 18th century. it's true..
          1. Dr. Frankenstucker
            Dr. Frankenstucker 30 June 2020 19: 52 New
            -1
            Quote: carstorm 11
            we could not be there.

            Yes, it’s not about whether they could or could not. Okay, let's go, forget it.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 30 June 2020 19: 55 New
              +1
              I am from the Berg clan. direct descendant. You can find yourself who we are. And where my ancestors could be. even hypothetically this is impossible.
              1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                Dr. Frankenstucker 30 June 2020 19: 59 New
                -2
                I'm not interested in your family tree, sorry. As, in fact, your identity. I told completely about other.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 30 June 2020 20: 01 New
                  +1
                  but in vain. would have understood a lot.
                  1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                    Dr. Frankenstucker 30 June 2020 20: 03 New
                    -2
                    Thanks, not interesting.
  • Ilya Nikitich
    Ilya Nikitich 1 July 2020 00: 14 New
    0
    This is not a swastika and not an "iron cross"; it is Balkenkreuz (German: Balkenkreuz). There is a difference, but there are similarities, adorned themselves with all this - ghouls.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 30 June 2020 10: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: Pereira
    Guys should be praised for honesty.

    Why should they be praised? In the 40s, such flags marched in Belgium and in Spain and Czechoslovakia, etc. ... then to recall what happened?
    For this it is not necessary to praise, but to plant for a long time.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 30 June 2020 11: 02 New
      +3
      Praise for not hiding their Nazi beliefs. He looked at the cross and you can immediately see who it is.
      And if instead of the cross they depicted, say, a daisy, then you still need to figure out if you’ve come across a vegan?
      But in order to plant, you must first catch. And the capture in 2014 was postponed indefinitely. As if not forever.
      So these non-brothers will tease us with this symbolism for a long time to come.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 30 June 2020 11: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: Pereira
    Everything is logical. What an army, such a symbolism.
    Guys should be praised for honesty.
    How impressive is the "Winter Campaign Knights OMBR." This is in honor of those knights who drowned and died in Lake Peipsi, defeated by the great Prince Alexander Nevsky.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 30 June 2020 11: 57 New
      +2
      Rather, it is about this:
      Medal "Frozen Meat".

      1. saygon66
        saygon66 30 June 2020 15: 01 New
        0
        - No ... not from here legs grow ... we are talking about the events of 1919, in Ukraine ... Indeed, there was such a military operation, called the Winter Campaign. Conducted by the UPR Army.
        - Yes, Avior posted a photo of the award for this event below ...
  • tuts
    tuts 30 June 2020 13: 02 New
    +2
    after honesty

    NATO headquarters
    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 30 June 2020 14: 03 New
      -2
      Quote: tots
      NATO headquarters

      this makes no sense.
      1. tuts
        tuts 30 June 2020 14: 12 New
        +1
        alas not photoshop
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Штаб-квартира_НАТО
        1. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 30 June 2020 14: 22 New
          -2
          Quote: tots
          alas not photoshop


          So what? Some kind of sick imagination is to see in this the SS runes.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 30 June 2020 15: 18 New
            +4
            don't you believe in symbolism? But he is around us and constantly. NATO symbols do not resemble anything?

            who steers that and inserts characters)
            or that . remember these buildings?

            accidentally think happened?)
            1. Dr. Frankenstucker
              Dr. Frankenstucker 30 June 2020 15: 25 New
              -3
              Quote: carstorm 11
              NATO symbols do not resemble anything?

              no.
              Quote: carstorm 11
              or that . remember these buildings?

              what kind?
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 30 June 2020 15: 29 New
                +1
                and you transfer the picture from the title of the article to it and see) and the building of the base of the US AMC in San Diego
                1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                  Dr. Frankenstucker 30 June 2020 15: 38 New
                  -6
                  what a nightmare...
                  Is it difficult, come on, living with such a talent of "guessing"?

                  "I see signs. They are everywhere" (c)
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 30 June 2020 16: 02 New
                    -1
                    you can’t see) I’m not going to impose your horizons. Humanity is looking for a symbol to express itself.
                    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                      Dr. Frankenstucker 30 June 2020 18: 15 New
                      -3
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      Humanity is looking for a symbol to express itself.

                      that is yes. Here is one (not the best) part of humanity that found the Balken Croix lying in the dust of history to express himself)
                    2. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 30 June 2020 19: 07 New
                      0
                      in the dust?) are you healthy? here's an example of how you used it) treat the head.
                    3. Dr. Frankenstucker
                      Dr. Frankenstucker 30 June 2020 19: 13 New
                      -2
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      in the dust?)

                      Yes exactly. But did Balkenkreuz in this form be used by someone after the Reich?

                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      you are healthy?

                      thanks for asking. Yes, quite healthy.
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      treat the head.

                      Thank you, doctor, but somehow I will manage without the advice of a veterinarian.
  • Victor_B
    Victor_B 30 June 2020 09: 36 New
    +7
    Fascists they are fascists!
    This is a diagnosis!
    1. Evdokim
      Evdokim 30 June 2020 09: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: Victor_B
      This is a diagnosis!

      It is treated with soapy rope or with an ax like in the old days ... hi
  • Slon_on
    Slon_on 30 June 2020 09: 39 New
    +9
    There will be no prisoners with similar symbols from this brigade.
  • Dr. Frankenstucker
    Dr. Frankenstucker 30 June 2020 09: 39 New
    +6
    Balkenkreuz? Creative.
    The Sumerians struck another bottom. Romance getting zvizdyule.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 30 June 2020 09: 40 New
    +5
    this is pure Balkenkreuz ... completely off the coils? even if you remember that these stylized Teutonic, then they definitely understand that they do not serve in the Bundeswehr?)
  • CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 30 June 2020 09: 41 New
    +6
    Guys need to be praised for honesty

    - it is necessary, it is necessary to praise, but then necessarily at a cost.
  • HAM
    HAM 30 June 2020 09: 44 New
    +3
    Mourning ribbons as in a cemetery .... immediately with the names of the dead ...
  • ELEZKIY
    ELEZKIY 30 June 2020 09: 46 New
    +5
    this is the result of our “right” foreign policy. flowers, eprst. berries on.
  • saygon66
    saygon66 30 June 2020 09: 54 New
    +3
    - Some kind of a hodgepodge ... At the top of the pole the emblem of the French infantry, on the panel - the Wehrmacht ...

    - What would the former “patent holders” for the Balkenkreuz say about these “patches”?
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 30 June 2020 09: 58 New
      0
      I damn the attention and did not pay. You are right a copy of the Infantry Cockade 46-91
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 30 June 2020 10: 41 New
      +5
      Quote: saygon66
      - Some kind of a hodgepodge ... At the top of the pole the emblem of the French infantry, on the panel - the Wehrmacht ...


      No wonder, in the absence of their own symbols, history, they row everything in a row, simultaneously adjusting to the format and traditions of NATO ...
      1. DIM (a)
        DIM (a) 30 June 2020 23: 43 New
        +1
        From the void create "My myth going to the creation of the world" ... it is a pity that some buy it (
    3. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 30 June 2020 18: 15 New
      0
      Quote: saygon66
      At the top of the flagpole is the emblem of the French infantry


      but is this not a Sumerian osledets?))))
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 30 June 2020 09: 54 New
    +3
    And where our Jewish comrades do not hurt their eyes, this symbolism. Like most of those present on this site. Aspen stake or crowbar red-hot from one end. It’s better not to touch birches on crosses, this German trend should not be used for ukrvermaht.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 30 June 2020 10: 01 New
      0
      It is surprising that some part, small by the way, no matter how surprising it may be, entot approves Nazism itself, albeit not directly. I don’t understand this logic.
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 30 June 2020 10: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        I don’t understand this logic.

        It is simple:
        Though with the devil, but against Russia
  • prior
    prior 30 June 2020 09: 54 New
    +3
    Under this flag, there has long been relevant music.
    Right, the funeral march.
  • Liss Nikita
    Liss Nikita 30 June 2020 10: 01 New
    -2
    Here he is, the flag, St. Nicholas again.
  • Victor67
    Victor67 30 June 2020 10: 02 New
    0
    Ah, it will fly beautifully to the foot of the Mausoleum!
  • Gunter prereen
    Gunter prereen 30 June 2020 10: 07 New
    +1
    Well, okay. It will be that throwing to the walls of the mausoleum, once again!
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 30 June 2020 10: 16 New
      -3
      There was an article that flew under the mausoleum. But still, the mood does not spoil. And if you have to throw the standards of the ukrvermahtm to the foot. So let the Donchans and Luganchans choose a place where this action will take place with them.
  • Andrea
    Andrea 30 June 2020 10: 12 New
    +2
    It turns out, you can shoot like hares! laughing The symbolism is not approved by law, but according to this, FIG knows who shot it there.
    But attempts to smear NATO only cause contempt, and NATO should pay attention to the use of their symbols, they picked up tea in the garbage dump so that they couldn’t mold their flags.
  • Crane
    Crane 30 June 2020 10: 13 New
    +3
    This is not an iron cross, but a Balkencruiser - a symbol of the Wehrmacht from the Second World War. Everything was as predicted in the film “Ordinary Fascism” - Horst Wessel will burst again. And it’s such a shame that this happens in one of the parts of the former USSR, the true winner of the Nazis and fascists. Khrushchev needed not to be removed and sent to the country, but to be shot.
    1. novel66
      novel66 30 June 2020 11: 14 New
      +5
      but it was said
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 30 June 2020 10: 14 New
    0
    At the cemetery in Rassoška polo similar crosses, and all similar ... All the same, it fights us with the Ukrainians - it’s boring from such an idea.
  • Junior Warrant Officer
    Junior Warrant Officer 30 June 2020 10: 24 New
    -22
    Judging by the not quite sound logic of some commentators, this ambulance is correct, by the way Ukrainian

    And this ambulance is fascist, and it’s ours ...
    1. Flamberg
      Flamberg 30 June 2020 10: 42 New
      +8
      Do you put an equal sign between the "Red Cross" and "Balkenkreets" ??? Can you equate the cross of St. George ??
      1. Junior Warrant Officer
        Junior Warrant Officer 30 June 2020 13: 22 New
        -6
        And why doesn’t you have convulsions of the Balekreuz in the Bundeswehr?
        Oh yes, they are now our friends, we are pulling the pipe to them ....
        1. Ilya Nikitich
          Ilya Nikitich 1 July 2020 00: 46 New
          +1
          Scarecrow, and where did you see Balkenkreuz (German: Balkenkreuz) in the Bundeswehr?
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 30 June 2020 16: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Flamberg
        put an equal sign between the "Red Cross" and "Balkenkreuz"

        Do not be surprised - there are still not such roam. fellow It looks like spring came later, adjusted for quarantine. wassat
      3. DIM (a)
        DIM (a) 30 June 2020 23: 47 New
        +1
        Maybe the meaning is still not in the symbol, but in the ideas standing in each case?
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 30 June 2020 11: 03 New
      -1
      - In the first photo - there is no cross at all ... This symbol leads the story from the hagall runes ... The rune symbolized catastrophic changes, including ...
    3. tuts
      tuts 30 June 2020 13: 12 New
      +1
      In February 1863, an international conference was convened in Geneva, on which the Red Cross was founded. The Swiss flag was chosen as the emblem of the society, on which the color of the red field was changed to white and the color of the white cross to red. The Committee of Five subsequently received the name “International Committee of the Red Cross”
      and the Nazis?
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 30 June 2020 10: 59 New
    -1
    Well, finally, the minusers pulled up. The amendments are abandoned. Welcom !!!
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 June 2020 10: 59 New
    +1
    The fact that they are the last of the fascists, we already know, will not surprise us with any signs. Only these fascist lackeys should not forget what they ended up with.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 30 June 2020 11: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: Ros 56
      let these fascist lackeys forget what they ended up with

      And they know yes

      Nevertheless, they are firmly convinced that the "second front", the West, the USA, NATO, will not let this happen again.
      And as long as this confidence is there, they will not calm down ...
  • Tagan
    Tagan 30 June 2020 11: 09 New
    +2
    Quote: carstorm 11
    I am German. and love the specifics.

    You love the specifics, and we do not like the Nazis who walk under these crosses. Catch it?
  • Romanenko
    Romanenko 30 June 2020 11: 21 New
    +1
    The symbolism is new, the filling is old - rubbish, treason, betrayal. Of the famous non-sinking material like sweets, it’s not sculpting, but the smell remains.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 30 June 2020 11: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexey Petryaev
    Yes, and even the ZIM watch hang on the cross a smart guy, there is a cross on George, but how do you know that the Colorado ribbon is the color of the Amur tiger? Really scoop?

    Pillar nobleman, you to Napoleon. There and tell him about the watch ZIM.
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  • pereselenec
    pereselenec 30 June 2020 11: 31 New
    -1
    Why is there a mourning ribbon on the flag, as in a clath cemetery? fool
    1. vavilon
      vavilon 30 June 2020 14: 06 New
      +1
      Because they care for them
  • Tagan
    Tagan 30 June 2020 11: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: ELEZKIY
    just as we put up our shobla, so do they. if we have such a flag to vote, 76 percent will be. and tolerate too ...

    What does the Constitution never let go of? Here we have Mr. Petryaev. So he puts a watch for all ZIM.)))
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  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 30 June 2020 11: 36 New
    +1
    Sheer nonsense. And in the minds of Ukrainians justifying such symbolism. and in the author’s head, with his explanations.
    The Serbian cross (it is also called the Balkan cross) has nothing to do with the Teutonic “iron cross”. They look different. This time.
    This symbolism has nothing to do with the "ice campaign", like the whole independent one, as a whole. This two.
    In general, some kind of hellish mixture generated by painful vantasia, the NATO wind rose, the falling trident falcon and the so-called "Serbian cross", which included the Wehrmacht, in the Second World War. In general, as it is - the cinema and the Germans. )))
    1. Ilya Nikitich
      Ilya Nikitich 1 July 2020 00: 53 New
      0
      Well, the Wehrmacht did not use the “Serbian cross” (it is also called the Balkan cross) as an identification mark, did not use it. But Balkenkreuz (German: Balkenkreuz) - yes.
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 1 July 2020 14: 35 New
        -1
        Quote: Ilya Nikitich
        Well, the Wehrmacht did not use the “Serbian cross” (it is also called the Balkan cross) as an identification mark, did not use it. But Balkenkreuz (German: Balkenkreuz) - yes.

        The Balkan and Serbian cross are two names of the same cross. The difference in styles is minimal and not significant. However, I'm not going to prove anything to anyone, because this is stupidity. )))
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        2. Al_lexx
          Al_lexx 2 July 2020 21: 33 New
          0
          Offended sofa special minusanul and cursed ...))
          The usual thing..
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 30 June 2020 11: 36 New
    +2
    And the brigadefuhrer will command the dill brigade with such a “brigade flag”. Everything is logical
  • Junior Private
    Junior Private 30 June 2020 11: 47 New
    +1
    Banderolozhtsy, not having their own history and historical symbolism, which in their opinion has been going on since the excavation of the Black Sea, gently yearn for the Nazi symbols of their masters. Equally symbolic is the fact that at the brigade level signs are molded onto the form without any assertions at the state level. Who in general commands the army is not clear.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 30 June 2020 11: 50 New
    0
    Quote: Insurgent
    Quote: Alexey Petryaev
    Yes, and even the ZIM watch hang on the cross a smart guy, there is a cross on George, but how do you know that the Colorado ribbon is the color of the Amur tiger? Really scoop?

    fool finally "cuckoo"?

    Entered into a rage?


    The talking head conducts a PR-promotion of a ZIM watch, but he was a little mistaken with the address. He seems to want to say something, but he can operate with words within the stick inserted into the head of a flash drive.
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    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 30 June 2020 17: 01 New
      -1
      Quote: Tagan
      The talking head conducts a PR-action

      Already the second day went, however. yes laughing Yes, a funny organism, although such ones regularly skip here. True, for the most part, everything is quiet, but this one is already peddling - it is threatening, sickly. wassat
  • APASUS
    APASUS 30 June 2020 11: 56 New
    0
    ombre named after the Knights of the Winter Campaign.

    That's really cool! Ukrainian knights - it's not even to dig the Black Sea with a shovel
  • Avior
    Avior 30 June 2020 11: 58 New
    0
    Everything is very simple there.
    In 1920, in memory of the battles with the Denikin’s army, which, incidentally, significantly helped the Red Army (at that time in Ukraine there was a situation against everyone) decided to award the participants of the battles with the Iron Cross order
    Here it is

    This is 1920, the Iron Cross
    https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Орден_«Железный_крест»_(Украинская_Народная_Республика)
    Sketched in the hope that no one will check anything, and the direction of thoughts in the article is set perfectly, that's where they went.
    Balkeneroytsom, by the way, is not only essentially irrelevant, but even outwardly in appearance. Like no more than one cross to another.

    https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Балкенкройц

    But the direction of thought prompted, and she went
    Sadly: (((
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 30 June 2020 12: 55 New
      +1
      - But wasn’t the Germans present in Ukraine at that time?
    2. siemens7774
      siemens7774 1 July 2020 22: 31 New
      -1
      In general, the UNR was organized by the Germans. By that time, the current territory of Ukraine was 70% occupied by German troops and formed according to the plan of General Hoffmann. Read the book "General Hoffman-Project Ukraine." 1912. Reprinted in 1927 with additions.
      1. Avior
        Avior 1 July 2020 23: 02 New
        -2
        Actually, this has nothing to do with the topic.
        Not to mention that this is utter nonsense
        1. siemens7774
          siemens7774 1 July 2020 23: 17 New
          -1
          Take a look at Vienna and visit the state archive of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Section Russia, and read how they organized this squalor.
          1. Avior
            Avior 1 July 2020 23: 35 New
            -1
            Section Russia, and read how they organized this squalor.

            I have been to Vienna repeatedly
            Well, they brought Lenin in a sealed car
            What does this have to do with the topic ?!
            Have you read what it is about?
            1. siemens7774
              siemens7774 4 July 2020 18: 23 New
              0
              You weren’t in Vienna at all. Especially in the State Archive. It’s what you wrote in those docks that you missed the most important thing. You don’t like it. All movements were on Kerensky’s liberals, not the Communists.
  • Gato
    Gato 30 June 2020 12: 00 New
    +1
    The funeral bow symbolizes, as it were ...
  • paco.soto
    paco.soto 30 June 2020 12: 19 New
    +1
    Laughing: hang up the air raid!
    Googled the photo - it's just another volunteer initiative, some creative students in support of the university. And that’s it. Let’s look at the children's drawings sent to dads to the front for these 6 years and bomb them from their sofas!
    With smile.
    https://www.ukrmilitary.com/2020/06/horugva-28bde.html?m=1
    Who is not a Slav and cannot understand the link - I’ll translate.
  • vvp2412
    vvp2412 30 June 2020 12: 36 New
    +2
    Winter Camp Knight Ombre

    Correctly write: .... Knights of the anus ..
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 30 June 2020 13: 24 New
      0
      You can have your own five copecks Knights - rear-wheel drive passage!
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 30 June 2020 17: 24 New
      0
      In banderland, it’s fashionable now, it’s geyropeyski
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  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 30 June 2020 13: 33 New
    0
    Who else will say that the outskirts and its people are to us ,, brothers ,,? ..
  • vavilon
    vavilon 30 June 2020 14: 03 New
    0
    They had already predicted their future in advance by putting an end to themselves.
  • Bare
    Bare 30 June 2020 14: 13 New
    0
    They die like a Swede near Poltava.
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  • Glory to Berkut
    Glory to Berkut 30 June 2020 16: 02 New
    +1
    To paraphrase Vladimir Vysotsky a little:
    They don’t even need crosses to graves - crosses will come down on towers repeat
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 30 June 2020 17: 22 New
    0
    This cross reminds me very much of the Wehrmacht.
  • Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 30 June 2020 18: 39 New
    0
    The 28th Ombre of the Armed Forces of the Knights of the Anus - it sounds proudly!
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 30 June 2020 19: 33 New
    0
    Balkenkreuz is. Before the Nazi swastika at the state level, there was a ma-a-scarlet little step.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 30 June 2020 22: 54 New
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    The meeting of heraldry specialists is open.
    Well, or specialists in double standards.
    By the way, there was a theme on VO on this emblem. Apparently there wasn’t enough “Nazi Nazis in Ukraine” to angrily extort “what’s the neighbors to blame them for something”
    https://topwar.ru/163160-dlja-odesskoj-brigady-vsu-utverdili-simvoliku-s-chernym-krestom.html
    And the network discussed it back in 2019 ... January ...
    did Estonians write an article?
    If the theme is written, "Something is being discussed on the network"
    then give a link to where and when it happens!
    I can rivet dozens of articles about what is supposedly being discussed on the net ...
    After all, evidence that this is relevant and negotiable is not required.
    I have never seen in such "discussions of discussions" the source!
    Yes, however, such articles are tailored purely for emotions. It is necessary to maintain the fire of hatred. They say there "again, these fascists are doing disgrace"
    Well, they wanted to imitate
    Iron Cross UPR

    News of the century .. Confirmation of the "Nazis"
    Let’s gash about the "fascists", After all, there are log specialists in the eyes ..

    Sound familiar?
    But after all, there are immediately some differences for specialists in heraldry (theirs are not right, but strangers are entirely fascists)
    A very popular topic of the information war of Ukraine and the Russian Federation is that both countries accuse each other of fascism, and are looking for confirmation in symbolism, actions and behavior ..
    And they do it!
    A moment of hate as usual ...
    1. Ilya Nikitich
      Ilya Nikitich 1 July 2020 01: 05 New
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      Agree that

      More like

      Than on
    2. Pavel73
      Pavel73 1 July 2020 09: 13 New
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      No hate. This is just a statement of fact. Ukraine is a fascist state. This follows directly from her laws. And symbolism only confirms this.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 1 July 2020 04: 38 New
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    Balkenkreuz.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 1 July 2020 09: 10 New
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    Ukraine - NATO - The Third Reich. Everything is more than clear.
  • Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 1 July 2020 18: 31 New
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    And does a winter hike mean a drape march from Debaltseve in 2015?