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US Senator Initiative to “Buy” S-400 SAMs from Turkey Discussed

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US Senator Initiative to “Buy” S-400 SAMs from Turkey Discussed

In the USA, the initiative expressed by the representative of the upper house of Congress regarding the S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile systems continues to be discussed. It is about the initiative of Senator John Thune. It consists in redeeming from Ankara the Russian air defense systems, which it acquired from the Russian Federation for the needs of its armed forces.


John Thune himself explains his initiative as follows: the redemption of S-400 systems will remove the accumulated contradictions on US-Turkish cooperation.

The US Senate recalls that it was the Turkish position on the purchase of S-400 Triumph air defense systems from Russia that led to the imposition of sanctions. Among the anti-Turkish sanctions imposed a few months ago is Turkey’s exclusion from the joint creation of fifth-generation F-35 fighters. Turkey was not simply removed from the program, but those fighters that had already been built for it and for which Ankara paid for it refused to give it. In addition, the United States threatened sanctions against Turkish officials who participated in a deal with Russia to acquire the S-400 air defense system.

Tune:

Turkey should refuse to purchase (for the proceeds from the US "buyback") machinery and equipment incompatible with NATO requirements.

It should be reminded that Turkey at the moment has not put the S-400 air defense systems on alert. Turkey itself writes about this that one of the reasons may be precisely the American pressure on Ankara.

The Thune initiative is also being actively discussed because the contract between Ankara and Moscow a priori does not imply the resale of complexes to third countries.
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  1. Samara_63
    Samara_63 30 June 2020 06: 13 New
    -42
    Why buy?
    There is a suspicion that the Turks bought to study having studied their system. Given that they have software
    better than ours, it should work
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 30 June 2020 06: 20 New
      +6
      Samara 63 - the purchase of them by the Turks was a purely political PR of Erdogad to show his "independence" from the desires and desires of the USA!
      1. Samara_63
        Samara_63 30 June 2020 06: 42 New
        -39
        First of all, they need an air defense system, given that the Turks have made a technological breakthrough, they will try to make their system so that it does not depend on anyone. China has succeeded, I think the Turks will succeed better because their software already deserves attention
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 30 June 2020 08: 09 New
          12
          What does a technological breakthrough come from?
          1. Prisoner
            Prisoner 30 June 2020 09: 08 New
            +6
            laughing Key phrase "for their software".
      2. Norbert
        Norbert 30 June 2020 13: 31 New
        0
        what the hell is political. they will use the S-400 to cover the nuclear power plant we are building there, why don’t you hope for the patriots yourself, or ask Libya.
    2. Graz
      Graz 30 June 2020 06: 26 New
      36
      Vasya why burn like that, we know that you are not from Samara, but from "Kyiv"
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 30 June 2020 07: 13 New
        22
        Quote: Graz
        Vasya why burn like that, we know that you are not from Samara, but from "Kyiv"

        Considering that Vasya was burnt, and he really is from Kyiv, then, of course, Turkey's air defense is better. laughing
        1. venik
          venik 30 June 2020 09: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: orionvitt
          Considering that Vasya was burnt, and he really is from Kyiv, then, of course, Turkey's air defense is better.

          =======
          ..... than Ukraine. lol
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 30 June 2020 07: 53 New
      16
      What software is better than ours? For the production of tomatoes? Yes, better.
      1. ultra
        ultra 30 June 2020 10: 20 New
        +6
        Quote: Zaurbek
        For the production of tomatoes? Yes better

        I would argue that those that we sell cannot be eaten, they have neither the taste nor the smell of a tomato.
      2. vadim dok
        vadim dok 30 June 2020 15: 41 New
        0
        Of course BETTER! At their service the best software in the world, American, English EU, then everywhere!
    4. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 30 June 2020 08: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: Samara_63
      reading what they have software
      better than ours, it should work


      Where did you suck it from?

      better than ours, it should work

      Better copy-paste does not work.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 30 June 2020 08: 55 New
        +3
        Americans S-300 from their extreme exported in 2005m. And the whole complex is complete. And somehow our mathematics in programs was not given to them. Fig them, not repeat!
      2. gurzuf
        gurzuf 30 June 2020 12: 01 New
        0
        "Where did you suck it from?" So he slept. He was identified as - Vasya from "Kyivа" laughing It turns out, he said the truth.
    5. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 30 June 2020 16: 43 New
      0
      Given that their software is better than ours


      - WHAT IS IT ?!!!
      This is WHAT?
      What software, ALL software?
      That is - if some Turkish student sprinkled something amorphous,
      then it is "by definition" - "better" than the Russian one - since it is "Turkish" ?!
      - What kind of nonsense ?!

      Yes, at world progarmist competitions - Russian specialists - constantly take prizes!
      Here, right now, the liberalists will start telling me - they’re all right to leave Russia immediately.
      Well, for example - in the same Turkey.
      I don’t know, I didn’t count.
      But, excuse me - SOMEONE SHOULD be HERE "that is, in Russia" - LEARN? !!!!

      - Well, think it over, Ms. Dada.
      To whine sometimes!
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 30 June 2020 06: 15 New
    +9
    Yeah, a new form of espionage, through the redemption of the military equipment, the parameters and secrets of which are unknown!
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 30 June 2020 06: 19 New
      +6
      It sounds completely anecdotal.
      1. Evdokim
        Evdokim 30 June 2020 06: 41 New
        +7
        Quote: Thrifty
        ransom of that military equipment, the parameters and secrets of which are unknown!

        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        It sounds completely anecdotal.

        I think that if you give a Turk 5, or 10 times better than it costs, he will sell, his homeland is a bazaar, but there are no friends in the bazaar, there are only sellers and buyers. hi
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 30 June 2020 08: 33 New
          +6
          Quote: Evdokim
          I think that if you give a Turk at 5,

          Give Turk a nickle ?! belay
          1. Evdokim
            Evdokim 30 June 2020 09: 27 New
            0
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            Give Turk a nickle ?!

            If you really want, then it is possible and grunt. laughing
          2. PSih2097
            PSih2097 30 June 2020 17: 17 New
            0
            Quote: SRC P-15
            Quote: Evdokim
            I think that if you give a Turk at 5,

            Give Turk a nickle ?! belay

            shouting "Tagil is driving ..." laughing
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 30 June 2020 06: 46 New
        +9
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        It sounds completely anecdotal.

        It’s anecdotal to inhale the Patriots three times more expensive than the S-400 and to tear the loot for satellites during operation. Although business, nothing personal
  3. sen
    sen 30 June 2020 06: 17 New
    +7
    US Senator Initiative to “Buy” S-400 SAMs from Turkey Discussed

    Under such a contract, resale to third countries is prohibited, i.e. USA. America is completely insolent, although in principle everything can be expected from Turkey.
    1. Graz
      Graz 30 June 2020 06: 22 New
      +3
      I don’t believe in that either. unless they can agree on a ransom and then destroy this equipment in Turkey, in a row ours will let this technology go to a third country
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 30 June 2020 07: 07 New
        15
        When selling equipment abroad, the fact that it can fall into third hands is always taken into account. There are enough such examples. So it does not matter who has the S-400 in Turkey or in the states. You can study the system without giving it publicity. And in any territory. So no panic, gentlemen.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 30 June 2020 08: 11 New
        -4
        Quote: Graz
        in a row, we will let this technology go to a third country

        And how do we stop them? Again the ban on tomatoes?
        1. Ramadan
          Ramadan 30 June 2020 10: 58 New
          0
          This can only be found in the Delivery Agreement, clause on the liability of the parties for violation of the terms of the Agreement. Most likely, high penalties are prescribed for this, and not just a phrase can not be resold or transferred to third parties.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 30 June 2020 21: 27 New
            0
            Quote: Ramazan
            Most likely, high penalties are prescribed for this.

            Yes, they do not give a damn about our sanctions, as I believe. What will we do to them?
            1. Ramadan
              Ramadan 1 July 2020 14: 20 New
              0
              Based on the court decision, the fine will be paid by Turkish assets, which are not few in Russia either. We don’t have enough of them, we will look abroad, although this is already a more difficult option.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 1 July 2020 21: 19 New
                0
                Quote: Ramazan
                Based on the court decision, the fine will be paid by Turkish assets, which are not few in Russia either.

                Yeah, and on the basis of a Turkish court, we will pay a fine with our assets. Madhouse?
    2. Free wind
      Free wind 30 June 2020 06: 36 New
      -2
      Resale is prohibited, but you can give it, you can just let it be used, you can study everything on the spot.
      1. lwxx
        lwxx 30 June 2020 07: 30 New
        +5
        Resale prohibited, but redeemable
        It is forbidden to transfer to third countries, no matter the form of transfer. As well as the admission of other users, well, this is only if you prove laughing
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 30 June 2020 08: 12 New
          +5
          Because the Indians took a long face about the table for familiarizing the mattresses with the Chakra.
    3. sav
      sav 30 June 2020 08: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: sen
      Under such a contract, resale to third countries is prohibited, i.e. USA. America is completely insolent

      Personally, I'm not surprised. The "exceptional" rely on their strength and money, hence the impudence.
    4. Klingon
      Klingon 30 June 2020 12: 58 New
      0
      Quote: sen
      US Senator Initiative to “Buy” S-400 SAMs from Turkey Discussed

      Under such a contract, resale to third countries is prohibited, i.e. USA. America is completely insolent, although in principle everything can be expected from Turkey.

      But can they throw with this contract? Well, what will happen if they do resell the complex striped? I'm not special in such matters, I'm just a veterinarian wassat
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 June 2020 06: 28 New
    0
    Wild desire ... And why would they (striped ears) have this "on fire"? Or are you still not sure that the F-35 is so "invisible? And therefore in every possible way they hinder the possibility of" combining "it and the" Triumph "in the same hands?
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 30 June 2020 06: 42 New
      +5
      This is the desire of any scientist, military man to know the characteristics and capabilities of weapons and equipment of other countries in order to develop countermeasures, or to take some ideas. For Stingers in Afghanistan, our chased almost a year. And then they themselves sold the country to NATO, and they still want the Americans not to try it. request
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 30 June 2020 09: 37 New
        +1
        Patriot and S 400 for the Turks is a political game and room for maneuver, for bargaining. So they no longer need purchased air defense systems abroad, realizing that "hoping for a neighbor's kerosene lamp, you can stay in the dark when night falls." Based on this saying , the Turks themselves produce low and medium altitude air defenses Hisar-A and Hisar-O. During the testing phase, Hisar-U, an air defense analogue of the Patriot, intends to enter serially until 2023. But they went even further, now work is underway on the air defense system SIPER. against targets at long distances in height and range. The Roketsan company has already fired once with such a rocket (tested the fuel and flight parameters) in the direction of space. It was done under the guise of a space program to create a rocket to deliver satellites to near-earth orbit.
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 30 June 2020 07: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And why would they (striped ears) have this "on fire"?

      Compare the cost of Patriot and S-400. Not all such rich Pinocchio, like Poland. Raytheon hezh on the porch will go
    3. MrFox
      MrFox 30 June 2020 12: 53 New
      0
      The Americans usually rule they buy a copy of the locator that appears on the market.

      And they’re doing it right
    4. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 30 June 2020 16: 47 New
      0
      Or are you still not sure that the F-35 is so invisible?

      - "invisible" - they DO NOT HAPPEN.
      From the word AT ALL.
      - there is a larger or smaller cross section for scattering of radio waves, which is NEVER EQUAL to ZERO.
      another question - at what range and from what angles this or that radar will "see" the F-35 ...
      - it is interesting.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 30 June 2020 06: 31 New
    +3
    US Senator Initiative to “Buy” S-400 SAMs from Turkey Discussed

    It should be recalled that Turkey at the moment has not brought the S-400 air defense system into combat readiness.

    An interesting political performance is being observed ... smoothly turned into a story from a madhouse.
    But who will remain in the fools, in the end, is not so obvious!?!?!?
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 30 June 2020 06: 50 New
      -1
      Quote: rocket757

      An interesting political performance is being observed ... smoothly turned into a story from a madhouse.
      But who will remain in the fools, in the end, is not so obvious!?!?!?

      Do not forget that the export version of such a weapon is DIFFERENT from the one in service in the Russian Federation. I suppose that "our" version will be cooler. wassat therefore, let them "drag" ... although it is forbidden by the contract.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 June 2020 06: 57 New
        +6
        I, as one, participated in the process of creating \ producing such systems, for us and for export. PZ or for EXPORT, things are different, but there are a lot of interesting things left, especially for those who just do not have this!
        The question is not what it is, the question is, who is this "friend" who may not be FRIEND at all!
        Ha, ha, look for a BV, although a long-term fellow traveler would be, it's some kind of naivete. Only until the next turn, no further.
        1. DominickS
          DominickS 30 June 2020 14: 27 New
          +1
          Exactly. Export by export, but structurally they differ little. Suppose the enemy does not have operating modes and letter frequencies, but the principle of building the system will be known. And this is serious.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 30 June 2020 14: 47 New
            0
            Very seriously, and the Chinese "comrades" proved it to EVERYONE. Others are held back from the same "relative poverty", as in resources, technology and scientific personnel ... but everything is fixable, with due diligence.
  6. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 30 June 2020 06: 40 New
    +2
    It is about the initiative of Senator John Thune. It consists in redeeming from Ankara the Russian air defense systems, which it acquired from the Russian Federation for the needs of its armed forces.

    Now, urgently, while the topic is still fresh, the Sultan must demand tribute from concerned Americans, like they pay, but he will not consider the avenues of "wrong" weapons for this. So as not to jeopardize North Atlantic solidarity. wassat
  7. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 30 June 2020 06: 46 New
    +3
    US Senator initiative to “buy back” S-400 air defense systems from Turkey
    But what for was a member of NATO to sell the S-400! ?
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 30 June 2020 07: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      But what for was a member of NATO to sell the S-400! ?

      And to envy other members of NATO. Patriot then, under gigabax stands
    2. DenZ
      DenZ 30 June 2020 08: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      But what for was a member of NATO to sell the S-400! ?

      That's it. I just expected the Americans to do something like that - and that's it - on you. Not because I am an oracle, but just something like that must have happened. IMHO, the original acquisition of the S-400 by Turkey was precisely so that "Uncle Sam" could take a closer look at this thing. There is nothing new in this world. Let's look at Turkey's response, however.
  8. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 30 June 2020 06: 49 New
    +1
    Discusses Senator's offer to redeem? And what did someone offer to buy?
  9. Andrea
    Andrea 30 June 2020 07: 10 New
    +5
    Tests, therefore, carried out, but did not put on combat duty?
    Turks have acquired good hemorrhoids and, which is funny not only for themselves, but also for NATO and the states.
    However, all with the filing of glavnyukov. Attempts to exceptional control everything and everyone and led to discomfort in the area of ​​the seat. laughing
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 30 June 2020 07: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Andrea
      and led to discomfort in the area of ​​the seat.

      UUUU. The sciatic nerve when it hurts is not discomfort. He stupid immobilizes
  10. Svetlana
    Svetlana 30 June 2020 07: 19 New
    0
    Precedent however. The government needs to think a million times before giving anyone the latest technology.
  11. rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 30 June 2020 07: 26 New
    -4
    It’s hard to believe in such things, of course, but you can expect everything from a Janissary, here you can only congratulate the guarantor on his ability to choose partners, every year I’m more and more convinced that this is a very distant person, this is essentially an unfortunate PR man
  12. Alsur
    Alsur 30 June 2020 07: 55 New
    +6
    Quote: rotkiv04
    It’s hard to believe in such things, of course, but you can expect everything from a Janissary, here you can only congratulate the guarantor on his ability to choose partners, every year I’m more and more convinced that this is a very distant person, this is essentially an unfortunate PR man

    You have in Ukraine, very successful rulers, no doubt. Good luck and more.
  13. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 30 June 2020 07: 55 New
    +1
    You can S-400 to us, and the money from the Americans to the Turks ..... and everyone is happy. Well, if the Turks do not need an air defense system.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 30 June 2020 08: 16 New
      0
      The problem is that they are needed. And they have nothing of the kind and no one will sell it except the Chinese. Well, there it is clear what problems are taking place
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 30 June 2020 08: 41 New
        -1
        Americans believe they are not needed.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 30 June 2020 09: 52 New
          -1
          The opinion of Americans is slowly ceasing to interest everyone ....
  14. KURT330
    KURT330 30 June 2020 08: 04 New
    +4
    In the Turkish segment of social networks, this proposal has already been scored.
    First, let the Greeks buy the S-300.
    I think Turkey will not refuse from the S-400.
  15. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 30 June 2020 08: 18 New
    +4
    The Turks, at one time, bought what they needed. This was a period associated with an attempt to overthrow the Sultan, moreover, with clear support from the United States. That is why they bought our complexes. They bought not against the Greeks or anyone else, but specifically, in case of complications with the United States and a guaranteed repelling of an air attack. They knew very well that the air defense system based on US technology, disabled by a "magic wand" from Washington, would not save them in this case.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 30 June 2020 09: 51 New
      0
      It is not yet known to what extent F-35 is controlled from the USA.
      1. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 30 June 2020 11: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        It is not yet known to what extent F-35 is controlled from the USA.

        Where did you find the mention of the F-35? Just to say?
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 30 June 2020 11: 27 New
          +1
          No. Read this. And I advise you to carefully look for information on this topic, to understand the degree of US control over its so-called "allies".
          1. Vladimir61
            Vladimir61 30 June 2020 11: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Not. Read this. And I advise you to carefully search

            I don’t like to swear or give advice, like how to cook fish soup. Neither your first comment, nor your advice, add anything to what I said, regarding that very "control"!
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 30 June 2020 11: 40 New
              +1
              Just to say?


              You should not start the mini with this.
              I read a lot on the topic. I won’t give you a link right away, for the US Air Force is my very collateral interest, it is necessary to raise megatons of documents, including in English. Do you read military texts on it?
              There were references to constant reports from the F-35 to a certain diagnostic center. The mention that it is possible to trim the characteristics of the fifth generation by system commands was. Reliability degree? Unknown But there is no smoke without fire, especially considering that the supply of arms to the United States is primarily a means of carrying out a military-political dictate.
              1. Vladimir61
                Vladimir61 30 June 2020 11: 49 New
                +1
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                Do you read military texts on it?

                Many books do not use up words, many words do not use up thoughts!
        2. bar
          bar 30 June 2020 11: 45 New
          +2
          Where did you find the mention of the F-35?

          Apparently between the lines. If you remember, Erdogan sharply wanted to buy our S-400s after an attempt at a pro-Gülen (i.e. pro-American) coup, which greatly frightened him. And since his own army was powerfully marked in the coup, he wanted to get protection from it just in case. And what kind of protection against NATO aircraft can there be from the NATO "patriot" complex with a stitched friend or foe identification? So I bought the S-400. He is less afraid of our planes than of his own.
  16. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 30 June 2020 08: 35 New
    +1
    If the Americans adopt the law on the redemption of C 400 from the Turks, then due to a sense of their exclusivity, it is quite possible to force so many amendments into it. That as a result, the Turks will not only not receive money, but they will also have to pay the hegemon. And Erdogan is also able to play in a long time, starting with the Chinese HQ 9 I finished C 400. And I will troll NATO and the United States in the air defense issue until I achieve my goal.
  17. Skai
    Skai 30 June 2020 09: 10 New
    +1
    "Turkey was not only withdrawn from the program, but also refused to transfer to it those fighters that were already built for it and for which Ankara paid." - you don't give it to the Turks, well, at least give it to Tajikistan or someone else to drive bully
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 30 June 2020 10: 20 New
      0
      Give to Poland
  18. Prisoner
    Prisoner 30 June 2020 09: 10 New
    +1
    Akin to a situation where a hijacker in a dark gateway offers the victim to sell his gun. winked Of course you can sell, but there are nuances. laughing
  19. Charik
    Charik 30 June 2020 09: 30 New
    +1
    some of the senates farted into a puddle and then the panic-sell-give-away-Turks is not such a miracle of technology to give
  20. +5
    +5 30 June 2020 10: 43 New
    +1
    Listen, but a good business ... Russia makes the S-400, sells them to Turkey (or to whom else), the United States buys them, we do it again, we sell it, they buy it again ... go Senator also Putin’s shepherd like Trump :) )))

    Or it’s even simpler - to compensate Russia for the unbought / unsettled S-400 ... 10% to the country is false to the buyer, 60% to us, 30% to it will be returned to it ... I think the business will flourish, countries will get in the queue, take regimental sets ... .taaak no more than 1 set per 20 million population of the country!
  21. bar
    bar 30 June 2020 11: 36 New
    +2
    These senators senators do not discuss what nonsense.
  22. NF68
    NF68 30 June 2020 16: 20 New
    0
    I can’t believe that the Turks will sell the S-400 to the Americans. Americans are also not their best and loyal friends.