CEO of Luch Design Bureau: We can deliver the Neptune missile division to the Armed Forces within 10-11 months


Last week, Kiev Luch Design Bureau completed the testing of the Neptune coastal-based anti-ship missile system. It took 2,5 years to develop it.


This was announced by the Director General of the design bureau Oleg Korostelev in an interview with Security Talks.

He said that it was an extraordinary work, which was successfully completed despite scarce funding. He noted that the Luch Design Bureau did not perform it alone. It acted as a coordinator for a dozen enterprises that created the missile complex.


Upon completion of the tests, a new weapon must go through arming procedures in the Armed Forces. Next, funds should be found for mass production of the complex, but the general director of KB Luch has no doubt that they will be allocated from the state budget.

According to Korostelev, it will take 10-11 months to deliver a division of missiles to the troops.

The CEO is proud to note that Neptune is capable of great destruction, because its warhead weighs 150 kilograms. He notes that the anti-missile system of an enemy ship can destroy one missile, having used up all its ammunition, but against the second or third ship it will remain defenseless.

Korostelev believes that new complexes can not only be supplied for the needs of the Armed Forces, but also exported.
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  1. lelik613 29 June 2020 18: 15 New
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    I alone believe that it is necessary to make organizational conclusions on the personalities?
    1. 1976AG 29 June 2020 18: 24 New
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      The decision on the use of weapons is not made by him. He is too small a bipod. The question is different. To whom can these missiles bring destruction? He decided to measure rockets with Russia?
      1. major147 29 June 2020 18: 30 New
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        Quote: 1976AG
        He decided to measure rockets with Russia?

        "Oh my God!" Do they have Neptune? Yes, at least two "Neptune"! They will sit silently, like mice under a broom, and fear aloud to fart, like the rest of the armed world!
      2. tihonmarine 29 June 2020 18: 45 New
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        Quote: 1976AG
        To whom can these missiles bring destruction?

        May bring destruction, already shown. They will bring all their junk into the sea and will shoot at targets. Although some kind of benefit will be.
      3. figwam 29 June 2020 18: 46 New
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        Quote: 1976AG
        He decided to measure rockets with Russia?

        Well, judging by the range of 300 km, such missiles can only be fired at neighbors.
        1. 1976AG 29 June 2020 18: 53 New
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          Quote: figvam
          Quote: 1976AG
          He decided to measure rockets with Russia?

          Well, judging by the range of 300 km, such missiles can only be fired at neighbors.


          You don’t have to mind a lot, and then what? Neighbors can shoot a lot stronger.
          1. tihonmarine 29 June 2020 19: 06 New
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            Quote: 1976AG
            You don’t have to mind a lot, and then what? Neighbors can shoot a lot stronger.

            Here about the “firing” here, just the case was in Equatorial Guinea somewhere in the early 80s, just after the coup. Either ours, or the Cubans gave them a torpedo boat, ours taught them. And then one fine day, from the island of Fernando Poe, these guys went to sea, met a ship sailing (it turned out to be a haggler under the flag of France) and fired a torpedo at it. And as in a joke about the Chukchi, they got in and the ship sank, although the people escaped on a boat. The noise was over the ears. Well, after that there was a ban on approaching Fernando Po closer than 50 miles. Here, something reminds me, only the answer to fly is not the same as in Equatorial Guinea.
      4. TermNachTer 29 June 2020 20: 25 New
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        This is all a pure theory. Several test launches and fssee))) In the conditions when a huge hole gapes in the budget, there are no prospects for improvement. I think the theory will remain.
      5. tol100v 29 June 2020 21: 47 New
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        Quote: 1976AG
        The decision on the use of weapons is not made by him. He is too small a bipod. The question is different. To whom can these missiles bring destruction? He decided to measure rockets with Russia?

        The State Department has been making all decisions for a long time! And Ukro half-top there does not even have a word! After all, the answer will immediately fly not to Kuev, but to Fashington, about which he was well warned!
    2. credo 29 June 2020 18: 59 New
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      Quote: lelik613
      I alone believe that it is necessary to make organizational conclusions on the personalities?

      Yes, the United States is underdeveloping something, or vice versa, it has worked so that it’s sure that nothing will burn out for Korostelev and Luch.
      In general, excessive optimism from the lips of Korostelev raises certain doubts about the sincerity of his words.
      1. antivirus 29 June 2020 19: 04 New
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        Neptune will cover the next Ambassador of the United States, in the next Benghazi. there will be joy.
        Why are amers still competitors with ties and buyers from the USSR - opponents of the United States?
        1. Alex777 30 June 2020 00: 13 New
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          Korostelev believes that new complexes can not only be supplied for the needs of the Armed Forces, but also exported.

          Iran is quite possible to buy. Who else doesn’t? Here the State Department will be delighted ... wink
          1. Martian 30 June 2020 16: 18 New
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            Will not buy. There are much better complexes in Russia. And in Ukraine, the Americans are commanding, for sure Iran will not be allowed.
            1. Alex777 30 June 2020 18: 16 New
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              There are much better complexes in Russia.

              There is. But those that are better, they will be substantially more expensive, and ours are not sold to all RCCs.
              X-35U was not sold to Azerbaijan, although there was a request. This is not entirely self-defense. And besides the States of Saudi Arabia and Israel are very upset.
              But Ukraine, at least a few years ago, had a drum for all of our reasons.
              Zelensky might not decide, but Poroshenko would have sold everything. laughing
      2. Prisoner 29 June 2020 19: 16 New
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        Doubt is caused not only by the sincerity of words, but also by his mental health. hi
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      why are these people not yet in Russia?
  2. Tusv 29 June 2020 18: 16 New
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    Last week, Kiev Luch Design Bureau completed the testing of the Neptune coastal-based anti-ship missile system. It took 2,5 years to develop it.

    I didn’t get into civilians already
    1. venik 29 June 2020 19: 57 New
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      Quote: Tusv
      Last week, Kiev Luch Design Bureau completed the testing of the Neptune coastal-based anti-ship missile system. It took 2,5 years to develop it.

      I didn’t get into civilians already

      ========
      Uncle is lying like a "gray gelding"! They tried to copy X-35s since 2004! Back in 2004, they received a copy of the X-35 and technical documentation for studying and joint production with the Russian Federation .... And there, an American protege Yushchenko came to power, topics on promising projects with Russia were "covered with a copper basin" (only old contracts remained), and then they held onto the racket and documentation and secretly continued to study and copy ..... Not everything really happened .... But something happened .....
      1. Tusv 29 June 2020 21: 18 New
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        Quote: venik
        "covered with a copper basin"

        E. Namesake. You can turn in a copper basin for colored scrap and eat quite a couple of days.
      2. Alex777 30 June 2020 00: 16 New
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        GOS X-35 for firing not only at sea, but also at ground targets in their documentation was not.
        We ourselves have it relatively recently appeared. hi
  3. Mouse 29 June 2020 18: 36 New
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    it was an extraordinary work that was successfully completed despite scarce funding

    Next, funds should be found for mass production of the complex, but the general director of KB Luch has no doubt that they will be allocated from the state budget.

    Even more meager ........
    wassat
    To be alive .....
  4. Samara_63 29 June 2020 18: 37 New
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    They can provoke a preemptive strike.
    1. 1976AG 29 June 2020 18: 55 New
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      Quote: Samara_63
      They can provoke a preemptive strike.

      On the preventive no, we have strong nerves, but on the return - yes.
    2. tol100v 29 June 2020 21: 53 New
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      They will not be able to, but their leaders from the CIA are already planning this!
  5. Samara_63 29 June 2020 18: 40 New
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    In general, the APU has seriously increased muscle
    1. dragy52rus 29 June 2020 19: 01 New
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      what exactly increased?
      1. Martian 30 June 2020 16: 20 New
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        The army .... They slept through Donbas and surrendered. 20 years on TV la-la-la from zeroed out ... But Ukrainians gathered an army.
        1. Martian 30 June 2020 16: 22 New
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          It is interesting how the program replaces the word xoxli with Ukrainians automatically ....
    2. TermNachTer 29 June 2020 20: 28 New
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      Who told you such nonsense? The situation in Ukraine is awful. Everyone is tired of the war, people are fleeing, drug addiction, alcoholism, and looting are flourishing. This is not an army - this is a gang; when you meet a serious opponent, you’ll scatter so that you’ll catch horseradish.
  6. tihonmarine 29 June 2020 18: 43 New
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    The CEO is proud to note that Neptune is capable of great destruction, because its warhead weighs 150 kilograms. He notes that the anti-missile system of an enemy ship can destroy one missile, having used up all its ammunition, but against the second or third ship it will remain defenseless.
    Very interesting peasant. According to him, it turns out that the “enemy” will come out in one ship, and the brave Ukrainian sailors will start firing at it, forgetting that the enemy also has anti-ship missiles, and they also shoot them on the Ukrainian ship. And here you need to see who will be left without missiles having spent ammunition. Is he sick?
    1. Martian 30 June 2020 16: 00 New
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      Interesting. Smart. Careerist. And business. I worked with him for 5 years in KB Luch back in the USSR. They worked together, plumped, cobbed, built. He was still only the programmer team leader in Division 6.
  7. Astra wild 29 June 2020 18: 43 New
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    Colleagues, who knows, this Neptune analogue: Onyx or Ball?
    Although the latter is coast-based.
    Somewhere on the site there were publications that besides: Russia, the USA and France, the rest release only imitations. Perhaps Neptune is also an imitation?
    1. I don’t know about imitation, but even copying such an object in 2,5 years is even nothing ...
    2. Holgerton 29 June 2020 18: 54 New
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      Rather, the analogue of “Ball”, since the missile is a direct analogue of the X-35 (U), the Onyx anti-ship missiles, in turn, were also put into the coastal complex, called the “Bastion”.
      And the fact that only Russia, the United States and France, so it was a long time ago and not true. The same ones, for example, China, Norway, Sweden, etc. The world does not revolve only around the X-35, Harpoon and Exocet.
      Moreover, any country that produces anti-ship missiles can make its coastal complex with anti-ship missiles, only not everyone will have means of target designation of their own production, but they can always be bought.
    3. Grazdanin 29 June 2020 20: 06 New
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      We have recently been in one country and have been developing common weapons.
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  8. Holgerton 29 June 2020 18: 47 New
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    Well, on the one hand, yes, Korostelev is a serious man, it’s not for nothing that he is listed as the chief designer, and the Luch design bureau itself lives well, several countries have already organized licensed assembly of their ATGMs and the finished ones are well sold, although the main client is still APU, but with on the other hand ... about 10-11 months to the division, he turned down a bit, rather even deliberately misleads, at least that 10-11 months is of course the real term of “production”, but the production is also preceded by the preparatory stage for the preparation of equipment and materials for the start of production, for the first stage it will be at least 3-4 months, and only then will a more or less rhythmic process begin.
    Well, let’s say that all ZRAK (as I understand from the video) do not shoot at one missile, otherwise there would be no sense in the division, and so, well, there are standard subsonic anti-ship missiles, there are such missiles all over the world, you can even confidently drown frigate orders with the division / corvettes, no better and no worse than the rest, unless you take into account something like the Caliber-NK or LRASM, which so far represent the "top hardware solutions" in their class.
    1. Martian 30 June 2020 16: 26 New
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      Serious. And smart. And business. And cunning. And a great careerist. Able to give seed and knock out loot. I worked with him for 5 years at KB Luch. It's a pity. The collapse of the USSR is a crime.
  9. Rothmans 29 June 2020 18: 48 New
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    Full production cycle, from Ukrainian components + own software
  10. Ovsigovets 29 June 2020 18: 50 New
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    ohhhhhhhhh ... if entoy rocket to get to where you don’t have to go, then destruction may be mom don’t cry ... by the way, sho for the passage about the elusive persha rocket on which the whole ABM reserve will be spent ????
  11. Ovsigovets 29 June 2020 18: 55 New
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    and by the way, "Neptune" seems to be like subsonic anti-ship missiles? Who will explain what the "revolution" in the production of "Neptune" is? Is Ukraine able to make subsonic anti-ship missiles?
  12. donavi49 29 June 2020 18: 57 New
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    Ray is one of the most successful defense industry enterprises now. Even if you look at export:
    6000 kits for Corsair ATGM in Bulgaria - Subsidiary of the State Company Ukrspetsexport The state-owned enterprise Ukroboronservis supplied the Bulgarian company Sage Consultants JSCO (32A Cherni Vrah Blvd. blvd. RN LOZENETS DISTR., FLOOR 8 Sofia, 1407) with lots of components for production 6000 units of ATGM RK-3OF.


    A joint project with Poland to create a Pirat ATGM based on this Corsair:
    The development and production of the Pirat light anti-tank complex (ATGM) is one of the areas of cooperation between the Ukrainian enterprise GosKKB Luch and the Polish company Mesko, which is developing for the Polish Army a new light portable anti-tank missile system with a laser beam guidance system.

    500 sets to Jordan of which are made approved by the King - Raptor.
    - Sets of components Nos. 1 and 2 for assembling [500] guided anti-tank missiles of the caliber 107 mm RK-ZK (with tandem-cumulative warhead), RK-ZOF (with high-explosive fragmentation warhead)

    About 300 ATGM Skif and Corsair for the Saudis in Yemen.
    Ukraine will supply Saudi Arabia 160 more Skif and Corsair anti-tank missile systems
    In 2019, Ukrspetsexport sold 140 Skif and Corsair ATGMs to Saudi Arabia


    An unknown number of Scythians and Corsairs in Qatar. They are used both in infantry units and combat units from the Turkish Aselsan.



    Inguli and all kinds of Hurts are sold to India - these are complexes for passing maintenance and control for missiles, shells and bombs.
    1. Holgerton 29 June 2020 19: 09 New
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      You can also add that in the spring there was news that the “Luch” extended the life of approximately 6020 ATGM 9M114K (F) “Assault” for the Armed Forces, and also checks the suitability of the KUV 9M112 “Cobra” missile, delivered from Belarus.
      Renewals and checks take place at the level of: disassemble the TPK, check with the control equipment (the same "Hurts" about which you mentioned), which they produce and assemble back. Non-working ATGM for scrap, workers in the troops and the rest on the little things.
  13. rocket757 29 June 2020 19: 02 New
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    A couple of questions remain.
    Will they do or not?
    If they do, will we find frostbitten, ready to be crazy?
    We must not forget that they have more than one excuse. Going directly will not risk it, but there will be a lot of stench!
    Because it doesn’t last long, but incidental damage will be necessary.
  14. Ovsigovets 29 June 2020 19: 14 New
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    Quote: rocket757
    A couple of questions remain.
    Will they do or not?
    If they do, will we find frostbitten, ready to be crazy?
    We must not forget that they have more than one excuse. Going directly will not risk it, but there will be a lot of stench!
    Because it doesn’t last long, but incidental damage will be necessary.

    well, that is, the Donbass to conquer by force of arms they were prevented (not given) only by the absence of anti-ship missiles? voila ...... well, after 11 months, one division will become operational and what will radically change in the balance of power? WHAT, something will appear that will allow you to pull with impunity and unrequitedly where you do not need to? If the question is - can they? Maybe .. there are enough fools. But after the pulnut surrenders to me, KB "Luch" will go into the category of the once successful KB.
  15. antivirus 29 June 2020 19: 15 New
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    He’s like a Polovtsian, and V. Korotich, he’s not like a Buryat
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  17. Well, if they said that they would put it, then they would put it, now we have to put it down.
  18. Tagan 29 June 2020 19: 21 New
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    Quote: Samara_63
    In general, the APU has seriously increased muscle

    In which place?
  19. tralflot1832 29 June 2020 19: 22 New
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    Even if they don’t look in the direction of Russia. 08 08 08 seems like a childish prank! We are already in a different weight category. Only three cars with Ukrainian numbers unsubscribed drove away. Not everyone means the head was sunburned. Sochi.
  20. Tagan 29 June 2020 19: 27 New
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    Quote: Ovsigovets
    and by the way, "Neptune" seems to be like subsonic anti-ship missiles? Who will explain what the "revolution" in the production of "Neptune" is? Is Ukraine able to make subsonic anti-ship missiles?

    In finalizing the Soviet missile.
  21. Kramb 29 June 2020 19: 55 New
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    , many in Russia will bite their teeth when on Bandera’s youth day and graduation evening, they bombard schools in the Donbass and constantly threaten .. It’s time to end this already!

    That's right, it’s high time to accept the Donbass as part of Russia, and not to shove it towards Ukraine. But this is weak, global sanctions against Russian oligarchs and their henchmen will be ... business and accounts abroad will be arrested ...
  22. tralflot1832 29 June 2020 20: 21 New
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    In the 80s, he witnessed in the area of ​​Kildin. How did the BOD surrender the missile defense mission. What’s their AK 630 there. They didn’t hit the rocket in the first stage, they smashed the firewood in the second. Maryata 2 was hanging out on the horizon, how could it be without them. there are no collapsing anti-ship missiles, except Zircon, and even then they will find a council. And you also write some nonexistent analogs in the world. You can’t stop progress. You can talk about anything, the problem of the sword and shield is an eternal story.
    1. donavi49 30 June 2020 08: 37 New
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      The target on which the BOD was shooting is most likely the P-15, or maybe even the CRM (Comet). This is such a big puff creature that goes along the trajectory, visually well detectable, at an altitude of 100m.

      Exoset-like (X-35, S-802/3, Harpoon, Neptune, Otomat and others) - have a significantly smaller visual and IR contour. They have several profiles of attack and breakthrough MZA (sneaking at maximum speed and height of 5 meters, a slide at 200m with a maneuver, etc.). Well, their very ideology is somewhat different. For large ships (such as BOD), immediately drop the entire package into 8 missiles, for example, some advanced versions allow you to draw complex routes, assemble them in tight groups, etc. In any case, when 2-3 missiles break through from one direction, the MZA will do nothing.
      1. tralflot1832 30 June 2020 08: 50 New
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        So it was forty years ago. Not at all in new projects, the issue of combating RCC has remained at the level of MHA.
        1. donavi49 30 June 2020 08: 59 New
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          Well, forty years later, we have the same BOD wink . Only in the worst condition - for fuel from the Torov rockets is cracked sad

          Modernization of the newest BOD destroyer after 7 years.


          If you take the Black Sea, then there is the cruiser Moscow - his Wasp will be extremely conditionally effective for low-flying ones, well, the MZA will be finished.

          3x11356 - they have Calm-1 (that is, Beech) at a distance and MZA to the last circuit, and one installation on board:


          Well, and small, by the way there is quite a chance to fight off a single missile. It’s not a fact that Bendings will be able to fire at her forehead, but from an angle there will probably already be a chance to capture and launch. Well, Roy will be more effective due to the density of fire.
          1. tralflot1832 30 June 2020 09: 06 New
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            Thank you. I meant new ones. It is clear that one is not a warrior at sea, in the case of a complex attack, the fate of the "Varyag" is secured. It is necessary to build ships for the Navy at a pace as it is now. It's a shame but not fatal.
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        Quote: donavi49
        In any case, when 2-3 missiles break through from one direction, the MZA will do nothing.

        recalled the moment from the movie about the T 22 and the aircraft carrier.
        The truth is X 22 ..

        But the moment of breakthrough itself (albeit in Hollywood traditions).
        A short-range air defense system was able to hit only a part.
        As I understand it now, it makes sense to pinpoint the CD carrier itself and lead it to the "separation of goals on the screen"
        Because then it will be too late.
  23. APASUS 29 June 2020 20: 37 New
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    How much is this effective weapon, we will soon see how much the APU will buy and who will be the buyer for export ........ I think Europeans or Americans will not buy
  24. Mountain shooter 29 June 2020 20: 41 New
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    I do not believe. I do not believe that they will find enough funds to issue a division within a year ... And what is a division?
    Spins on the sight of our systems near the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov ... Will they provoke? Will be. Shoot? Well, perhaps as a result of collective insanity ... The rest can not be considered.
    And it will be - if there is, in 3 years at least ... The appearance of the division ...
  25. 113262a 29 June 2020 21: 18 New
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    And whose transporter is there? Is it MZKT?
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      KRAZ like

      The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information.
  26. Old26 29 June 2020 21: 21 New
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    Quote: lelik613
    I alone believe that it is necessary to make organizational conclusions on the personalities?

    Laurels of Americans or Israelis do not give rest?

    Quote: credo
    Quote: lelik613
    I alone believe that it is necessary to make organizational conclusions on the personalities?

    Yes, the United States is underdeveloping something, or vice versa, it has worked so that it’s sure that nothing will burn out for Korostelev and Luch.
    In general, excessive optimism from the lips of Korostelev raises certain doubts about the sincerity of his words.

    What is excessive optimism that makes you doubt his sincerity? What will not be able for 10-11 months 2,5 dozen missiles? Or other counterparties will not be able, in particular, KRAZ to release 2 dozen machines of the complex with financing?

    Quote: Captive
    Doubt is caused not only by the sincerity of words, but also by his mental health. hi

    And what is it? What signs of mental illness are visible in the general director of the "Ray"?

    Quote: Astra wild
    Colleagues, who knows, this Neptune analogue: Onyx or Ball?
    Although the latter is coast-based.
    Somewhere on the site there were publications that besides: Russia, the USA and France, the rest release only imitations. Perhaps Neptune is also an imitation?

    And Onyx and Bal are coast-based. But in this particular case, "Neptune" is an analogue of our "Ball". Only it is slightly larger in size and at the launch of 4 TPK instead of 8 at the "Ball". True and the structure of the division at the “Ball” and “Neptune” is somewhat different.

    At the Ball, the division is 4PU (that is 32 missiles ready for launch) and 4 TZM with 8 TPK each. That is another 32 missiles. As a result, it turns out that the Bala division is 4 SPU, 4 TZM and 64 missiles in the ammunition division
    Neptune has 4 missiles on SPU. The number of SPUs in the division is 6. Total 24 missiles at launch. The division also includes 6 TZM (4 TPK each) and 4 TM (transport vehicles). Each also has 4 TPKs. Total Neptune Division - 6 SPU, 6TZM, 6TM with a total ammunition load of 72 missiles

    As for imitation. The question is very complicated. As far as I remember, anti-ship missiles are launched by the following countries: USA, Russia, France, Sweden or Norway (I don’t remember exactly), Israel, Iran, India, Pakistan, China, Republic of China, North Korea, South Korea and Japan (offhand). Basically, these are copies, sometimes improved by someone’s rocket).
    In this particular case, Neptune is the further development of our rocket of the Uranus complex, which was based on the American Harpoon complex. Although the development of Uranus is North Korean anti-ship missiles Kumsong-3

    Quote: tihonmarine
    Very interesting peasant. According to him, it turns out that the “enemy” will come out in one ship, and the brave Ukrainian sailors will start firing at it, forgetting that the enemy also has anti-ship missiles

    According to him, this was not visible anywhere. A question was asked about the defeat of what purpose "Neptune" is designed for.
    In relation to our Uranus, they always write that it is designed to destroy ships with a displacement of up to 5000 tons.

    Quote: Holgerton
    but the production is also preceded by the preparatory stage for the preparation of equipment and materials for the launch of production

    Evgeny! There is no need to prepare equipment. "Neptune" is already in some quantity, and not individually released already ...

    Quote: Ovsigovets
    ohhhhhhhhh ... if entoy rocket to get to where you don’t have to go, then destruction may be mom don’t cry ... by the way, sho for the passage about the elusive persha rocket on which the whole ABM reserve will be spent ????

    Listen again. There is not a word about an elusive rocket. It describes the standard dueling situation that is possible. Not every country has complexes similar to our Dagger. Most often this is not ZRAK, but the MKZA. And if she has limited ammunition, then he will be able to bring down the first one (this complex can), but depending on the situation, the following missiles may not have enough ammunition

    Quote: rocket757
    A couple of questions remain.
    Will they do or not?
    If they do, will we find frostbitten, ready to be crazy?
    We must not forget that they have more than one excuse. Going directly will not risk it, but there will be a lot of stench!
    Because it doesn’t last long, but incidental damage will be necessary.

    Victor! What they will do is no question. What about frostbite? It is unlikely that frostbite from the National Bats will sit at the remotes of ethical complexes. In addition, for some reason, in many posts on this topic (sheer "lulling," they say, we will roll them out), only one variant of the enemy is considered - Russia. And the fact that such complexes can be used against the DPR or LPR can be delivered to Georgia and used against Abkhazia and South Ossetia - such questions are not considered a priori. As well as deliveries in general to other countries ...
    1. tikhonov66 30 June 2020 16: 57 New
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      Not every country has complexes similar to our Dagger.

      - and similar C300, C350, C400.
      One missile is an ode to a missile defense. A maximum of two.
      1. tikhonov66 30 June 2020 17: 12 New
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        There is no need to prepare equipment. "Neptune" is already in some quantity, and not individually released.

        - several pieces can be bungled on the knee.
        But MASS (economically effective)
        production (with a more or less predictable result)
        - it, alas - REQUIRES only and not so much REMAINS,
        how many gigantic VOLUME OF TESTS implying GATHERING STATISTICS.
        And this is always expensive and long.
        Of course, you can bungle on your knee. And without testing.
        And it even, maybe somehow it will sometimes work.
        But to be sure that ANY manufactured INSTANCE
        at the moment “H” starts at the touch of a button, it will fly the specified distance
        in a given direction and will fall in the target area with a given deviation
        - here ettt already - hardly 8-))
        .
        And it’s all the more difficult to be sure that the same thing will come true - after
        storage of this "miracle" for N years and transportation to a distance of X,
        by transport type K.

        Nature - her-it-you can’t be fooled.
        and this is the materiel!
  27. Old26 29 June 2020 21: 30 New
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    And whose transporter is there? Is it MZKT?

    KRAZ
  28. svoit 29 June 2020 22: 50 New
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    And the fact that such complexes can be used against the DPR or LPR can be delivered to Georgia and used against Abkhazia and South Ossetia - such issues are not considered a priori

    so the fleet of these countries is not so big that it would be jammed by the Neptunes.
  29. Andrey Vasilievich 29 June 2020 22: 59 New
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    In the future it will come in handy when protection from the US aircraft carrier squadron is required. It’s not forever for the fascists to rave in Ukraine.
  30. basal 29 June 2020 23: 03 New
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    Oh, I do not believe Korostylev. Either he was very crafty, or he escaped from the house with soft walls. I read his interview, from where I learned that ... In 2014. the great helmsman of the Turchins set the task: to make a rocket for the Smerch MLRS, otherwise there is nothing to shoot. And then flooded. For two years, a super-duper Vilka rocket was created, which Tornado is not suitable for soles, because with it Tornado is no longer MLRS, because all forks are homing. It looks like the grandfather stuck the GPS navigator))). More cool. It turns out that the Plug in all respects exceeds the Point. That's how the MLRS turned into OTR. Sleight of hand (tongue) and no fraud. Think everything? Nooo. Just now, they are making a rocket from Vilka for an air defense system, naturally the coolest one - independent.
    Well, what can we say about Neptune, slap for the year on an initiative basis. Of course it never gets cooler.
    By the way, KB Luch is mainly engaged in anti-tank issues, but if the party said it is necessary ...
    1. Martian 30 June 2020 16: 13 New
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      By the way, initially the Luch Design Bureau was engaged in missile control equipment. Well, by order of Vympel, it developed separate blocks. He worked there. And Korosteleva know very well, talked on all fronts .... A smart man and cunning. But he knows how to organize the work.
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      By the way, KB Luch is mainly engaged in anti-tank issues, but if the party said it is necessary ...

      - And what if you make an anti-tank missile - but only BIG-BIG ?!
      8-))
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  32. Alien From 29 June 2020 23: 09 New
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    Remind these guys about decommunization ........
  33. lvov_aleksey 30 June 2020 00: 13 New
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    is it not the s-300 they advertise with the new coloring?
  34. Old26 30 June 2020 01: 27 New
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    Quote: svoit
    Quote: Old26
    And the fact that such complexes can be used against the DPR or LPR can be delivered to Georgia and used against Abkhazia and South Ossetia - such issues are not considered a priori

    so the fleet of these countries is not so big that it would be jammed by the Neptunes.

    Neptune can strike not only at sea targets, but also at ground targets. And this is exactly the worst.
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    For some reason, in Russia, the X-35 is simply a Uranus missile, and in 404 a retaliation weapon capable of destroying the entire fleet of the Russian Federation in the Black Sea? Well, some people understand that the submarine division in Novorossiysk will immediately surrender to the heroes, the “Gauges” will not reach Kuev, they will not reach a little, 5 meters
  36. Termit1309 30 June 2020 04: 46 New
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    Quote: Old26
    Neptune can strike not only at sea targets, but also at ground targets. And this is exactly the worst.

    Ett how radio contrast should a ground target have to strike RCC? If only on the Crimean bridge?
  37. Ros 56 30 June 2020 06: 25 New
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    Fresh tradition, but hard to believe. And what can this division do in a year? Only a hint of launch in our direction means the end of the banderlog.
  38. maykl8 30 June 2020 06: 40 New
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    According to Korostelev, it will take 10-11 months to deliver a division of missiles to the troops.

    Plus 1 year to prepare this division. In total, in 2 years Ukraine may have a battle-worthy Neptune missile division, not run-in in combat and with children's illnesses of the complex.
  39. ork_333 30 June 2020 08: 28 New
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    I wonder why he decided that for the destruction of this missile the ship must necessarily use up all the ammunition?
  40. Vlad Pervovich 30 June 2020 08: 59 New
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    We will collapse the Bridge? ...
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    5-9 30 June 2020 10: 40 New
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    The point is people, give me the money, I will work out .... But the availability of both money and high-quality execution of the order is rather no than yes.
    And why are they, really, except for PR and drank? For a real war in the Donbass is a useless thing, to threaten Russia ??? Hey, can you threaten more than a strike with Points or aircraft in the Crimea? Rially? It seems to be smart enough not to threaten .... and if they decide to, all the extra staff should be written to the New Heavenly Hundred immediately and in absentia, the crusts-travel cards for future widows should be issued, etc.
  42. Viktor Sergeev 30 June 2020 12: 19 New
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    Well, who needs alterations of old missiles? It would be better for Ukraine to think about how not to quarrel with its neighbors.
    1. Cristall 30 June 2020 23: 37 New
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      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Well, who needs alterations of old missiles?

      most missiles in service
      "remaking old rockets"
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Ukraine would be better off thinking about not quarreling with its neighbors.

      They thought so for 23 years, they were the most peaceful in the region. They sold all the army and equipment, believed in peace, friendship, some kind of papers with signatures ..
      Better remaking old missiles in service than "thinking of peaceful neighbors." At the right moment, it’s better not to hesitate having something to shoot than to trust neighbors, papers, and at least US assurances that someone will guarantee something for us to protect.
      1. Viktor Sergeev 1 July 2020 09: 13 New
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        Rather, for 23 years, Ukrainians thought about where to steal something, where to sell what was left of the USSR, fill their pocket and shit up a neighbor who bought his goods and supplied very cheap energy. And also, everyone who came to power thought how to sell the country as quickly as possible, to get loans, to plunder them and to live well.
        It’s not the ancient ridiculous rockets that are terrible, but the fact that some of the idiots in power will want to organize another provocation and then Ukraine will cease to exist. All your trouble is the absence of smart people in power and a large number of people like you, such as "patriots", but in reality the enemies of Ukraine.
        Ukraine is in ruins, people (hard workers, specialists) have fled, industry has actually died, and you all think about the war with Russia, which if necessary, will demolish the APU within a week, spending the first 6 days on customs clearance.
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    Quote: APASUS
    How much is this effective weapon, we will soon see how much the APU will buy and who will be the buyer for export ........ I think Europeans or Americans will not buy

    How much they buy is not always an exact criterion of how effective this weapon is. For example, consider several missiles that are very close, both in terms of performance and architecture, such as Harpoon, Uranus, Neptune, Kumsong-3. The North Korean version is exported to only one country - Myanmar. Our "Uranus" - in 4 countries - Algeria, Vietnam, India, Venezuela (in the version of "Ball"). And if you take the American "Harpoon", then it is exported to 25 countries. Is it possible to say that Harpoon is more effective than Uranus, while Uranus is more effective than Kumsong-3 ??? Of course no.

    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    I do not believe. I do not believe that they will find enough funds to issue a division within a year ... And what is a division?
    Spins on the sight of our systems near the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov ... Will they provoke? Will be. Shoot? Well, perhaps as a result of collective insanity ... The rest can not be considered.
    And it will be - if there is, in 3 years at least ... The appearance of the division ...

    You see, Eugene, the question I believe or not is very sensitive. The issue of faith sometimes does not fit with reality. Maybe this year Neptune will not enter the arsenal of the Navy, but in 2021 what problems may arise. There will be money - there will be "chairs" (sorry, rockets). I do not consider provocation issues at all. Among the Ukrainian military sailors, there are hardly any who decide to strike at the ships of Russia or its facilities. No, of course they can order them and then they will shoot, realizing perfectly what the answer will be

    Quote: KCA
    For some reason, in Russia, the X-35 is simply a Uranus missile, and in 404 a retaliation weapon capable of destroying the entire fleet of the Russian Federation in the Black Sea? Well, some people understand that the submarine division in Novorossiysk will immediately surrender to the heroes, the “Gauges” will not reach Kuev, they will not reach a little, 5 meters

    Do not directly perceive the bragging of politicians in / in Ukraine. Politicians are the same everywhere. They have "weapons of retaliation," we have "no analogues in the world" ...

    Quote: Termit1309
    Quote: Old26
    Neptune can strike not only at sea targets, but also at ground targets. And this is exactly the worst.

    Ett how radio contrast should a ground target have to strike RCC? If only on the Crimean bridge?

    Not necessary. Radio contrast can be any purpose. For example, a multi-story building. Or a ship. Neptune has several complementary guidance systems. For some goals, it can strike using GOS, for some - ANN with correction

    Quote: Ros 56
    Fresh tradition, but hard to believe. And what can this division do in a year? Only a hint of launch in our direction means the end of the banderlog.

    Why is only one option perceived - launch towards Russia? Is launching on targets in the DPR or LPR banned by religion? In addition, the division is not so small. In the coming years, they plan from 3 to 5 divisions under state defense orders. Each division is 6 launchers with an ammunition load of 72 missiles. If they strike at least half of the ammunition at the same DNR or LC, they will not seem enough. Moreover, this is not mortar or artillery (or MLRS). This is a high-precision weapon with a 150-kg warhead ...

    Quote: maykl8
    Plus 1 year to prepare this division. In total, in 2 years Ukraine may have a battle-worthy Neptune missile division, not run-in in combat and with children's illnesses of the complex.

    The designer spoke about the possibilities of industry, and not about the combat readiness of the division. And as for not being run-in, so in most countries such systems are "not run-in." Russian "Balls" that have experience in military operations ??

    Quote: ork_333
    I wonder why he decided that for the destruction of this missile the ship must necessarily use up all the ammunition?

    Well, the story was said a little different. it was said that if the ammunition will be spent on the first missile, then the ammunition may not be used on the second. And in principle, he is not far from the truth. If you imagine that the same "Neptune" goes to the goal at an altitude of 3-5 meters above the water. The ship is an AK-630M gun mount. The effective firing range of the installation is 4000 meters.
    RCC will cover this distance in 14 seconds. How many bursts can an artillery mount on a flying anti-ship missile system give during this time and how much one anti-ship missile will spend on defeat. And if there is not the AK-630, but something else, then how ???

    Quote: 5-9
    The point is people, give me the money, I will work out .... But the availability of both money and high-quality execution of the order is rather no than yes.

    And this is for everyone. Just a day or two ago, our head of the USC announced that give the money and we will build as many as 6 nuclear destroyers of the Leader type. But will such an order be fulfilled? Rockets are easier. They have it. They collect it not in the barn, but in the production, therefore quality can be guaranteed. To fulfill the order, only money is needed ....

    Quote: 5-9
    And why are they, really, except for PR and drank? For a real war in the Donbass is a useless thing, to threaten Russia ??? Hey, can you threaten more than a strike with Points or aircraft in the Crimea? Rially? It seems to be smart enough not to threaten .... and if they decide to, all the extra staff should be written to the New Heavenly Hundred immediately and in absentia, the crusts-travel cards for future widows should be issued, etc.

    Are they releasing weapons at all? To
    1. To own and use for their needs
    2. Sell and profit for it
    Or are everyone else in the world altruistic and do it for the sake of sports interest and do not sell but give ???
    And why do you think that such a weapon is useless for the war in the Donbass? What will prevent the same APU from striking at targets not with mortars, but with a 150 kg KR warhead. Moreover, high-precision missiles. And in our country, apart from “against Russia,” no one sees or does not want to see anything, because then we must admit that the industry of Ukraine can do something. But we are pleased to write that in Ukraine "full seam", nothing works, engineers and designers are massively scattering. The ostrich’s position is not to see what you don’t want.
    I already wrote once, or rather asked a question, and what will happen, for example, if this weapon is delivered to Georgia, which will still want to regain the rebellious provinces. They will not attack the same rake. And what will happen if a couple of such missiles fly into the Roki tunnel, explode there and "seal" it, cutting off South Ossetia from Russia?
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    Oleg Petrovich says, that means he knows that they will give the loot. Ukrainians will take away pennies from the population on the “Ukrainian rocket”. When the USSR collapsed, and Oleg became the head of the 6th department, the question arose of what to do and where to get the money .. And then at night, he made his way to the headquarters of the military, who distributed the loot, and in the morning fell in front of the general and painted on the capabilities of the KB Luch to make a UKRAINIAN rocket .... Fuck she was needed then? But after all, she will be “Ukrainian” ... And so the design bureau is allocated grandmothers, Oleg becomes deputy general (who skillfully sat up) and started to rivet from what it was ... And the design bureau Luch is located inside the KPO Artyom plant, which mass-produced air missiles -air". The association included 2 more plants in Zhulyany and Krasilov. A smart man was Oleg Petrovich. But the careerist is creepy. I know that we worked together, plumped, cobbled, built .... And then I left for Russia, home to Krasnodar. And how many clever guys from KhAI, MAI, Bauman, KAI worked by distribution there. All basically remained where they had to go then ...
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    He notes that the anti-missile system of an enemy ship can destroy one missile, having used up all its ammunition, but against the second or third ship it will remain defenseless.

    - The second and third - simply will not.
    There will be no one to run. And nothing.
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      That's it, that's why it makes sense to think: is it worth it to launch the first?
  46. Old26 30 June 2020 17: 22 New
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    A smart man was Oleg Petrovich. But the careerist is creepy.

    Well, not the best trait of man, but not fatal, kmk

    Quote: tikhonov66
    Not every country has complexes similar to our Dagger.

    - and similar C300, C350, C400.
    One missile is an ode to a missile defense. A maximum of two.

    This is a short-range ship complex. And rocket-artillery.
    One missile, one anti-missile is a theoretical value. Typically, HCV is approximately 0,85-0,9 (maximum). This means that in order to hit a target with a probability of 0,999, several anti-missiles will be needed
    There are still analogs of the S-300 - S-350 - S-400

    Quote: Alex777
    Korostelev believes that new complexes can not only be supplied for the needs of the Armed Forces, but also exported.

    Iran is quite possible to buy. Who else doesn’t? Here the State Department will be delighted ... wink

    Will not buy. Yes, Iran has a fairly wide range of Chinese-made anti-ship missiles

    Quote: Martian
    Will not buy. There are much better complexes in Russia. And in Ukraine, the Americans are commanding, for sure Iran will not be allowed.

    They are unlikely to buy from us. Rather, the Chinese. Moreover, the Chinese have analogues of our RCC