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CEO of Luch Design Bureau: We can deliver the Neptune missile division to the Armed Forces within 10-11 months

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Last week, Kiev Luch Design Bureau completed the testing of the Neptune coastal-based anti-ship missile system. It took 2,5 years to develop it.


This was announced by the Director General of the design bureau Oleg Korostelev in an interview with Security Talks.

He said that it was an extraordinary work, which was successfully completed despite scarce funding. He noted that the Luch Design Bureau did not perform it alone. It acted as a coordinator for a dozen enterprises that created the missile complex.


Upon completion of the tests, a new weapon must go through arming procedures in the Armed Forces. Next, funds should be found for mass production of the complex, but the general director of KB Luch has no doubt that they will be allocated from the state budget.

According to Korostelev, it will take 10-11 months to deliver a division of missiles to the troops.

The CEO is proud to note that Neptune is capable of great destruction, because its warhead weighs 150 kilograms. He notes that the anti-missile system of an enemy ship can destroy one missile, having used up all its ammunition, but against the second or third ship it will remain defenseless.

Korostelev believes that new complexes can not only be supplied for the needs of the Armed Forces, but also exported.
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  1. lelik613
    lelik613 29 June 2020 18: 15 New
    16
    I alone believe that it is necessary to make organizational conclusions on the personalities?
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 29 June 2020 18: 24 New
      13
      The decision on the use of weapons is not made by him. He is too small a bipod. The question is different. To whom can these missiles bring destruction? He decided to measure rockets with Russia?
      1. major147
        major147 29 June 2020 18: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: 1976AG
        He decided to measure rockets with Russia?

        "Oh my God!" Do they have Neptune? Yes, at least two "Neptune"! They will sit quietly, like mice under a broom, and fear loudly farts, like the rest of the armed world!
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 29 June 2020 18: 45 New
        0
        Quote: 1976AG
        To whom can these missiles bring destruction?

        May bring destruction, already shown. They will bring all their junk into the sea and will shoot at targets. Although some kind of benefit will be.
      3. figwam
        figwam 29 June 2020 18: 46 New
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        Quote: 1976AG
        He decided to measure rockets with Russia?

        Well, judging by the range of 300 km, such missiles can only be fired at neighbors.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 29 June 2020 18: 53 New
          +5
          Quote: figvam
          Quote: 1976AG
          He decided to measure rockets with Russia?

          Well, judging by the range of 300 km, such missiles can only be fired at neighbors.


          You don’t have to mind a lot, and then what? Neighbors can shoot a lot stronger.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 29 June 2020 19: 06 New
            +6
            Quote: 1976AG
            You don’t have to mind a lot, and then what? Neighbors can shoot a lot stronger.

            That's about "firing" here, just the case was in Equatorial Guinea somewhere in the early 80s, just after the coup. Either ours, or the Cubans gave them a torpedo boat, ours taught them. And then one fine day from the island of Fernando Po these guys went out to sea, met a sailing ship (it turned out to be a merchant under the flag of France) and fired a torpedo at it. And as in the joke about the Chukchi, they hit and the steamer drowned, although the people escaped on the boat. The noise was head over heels. Well, after that there was a ban on approaching Fernando Po closer than 50 miles. Here it reminds me of something, only the return flight is not the same as in Equatorial Guinea.
      4. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 29 June 2020 20: 25 New
        0
        This is all a pure theory. Several test launches and fssee))) In the conditions when a huge hole gapes in the budget, there are no prospects for improvement. I think the theory will remain.
      5. tol100v
        tol100v 29 June 2020 21: 47 New
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        Quote: 1976AG
        The decision on the use of weapons is not made by him. He is too small a bipod. The question is different. To whom can these missiles bring destruction? He decided to measure rockets with Russia?

        The State Department has been making all decisions for a long time! And Ukro half-top there does not even have a word! After all, the answer will immediately fly not to Kuev, but to Fashington, about which he was well warned!
    2. credo
      credo 29 June 2020 18: 59 New
      +6
      Quote: lelik613
      I alone believe that it is necessary to make organizational conclusions on the personalities?

      Yes, the United States is underdeveloping something, or vice versa, it has worked so that it’s sure that nothing will burn out for Korostelev and Luch.
      In general, excessive optimism from the lips of Korostelev raises certain doubts about the sincerity of his words.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 29 June 2020 19: 04 New
        0
        Neptune will cover the next Ambassador of the United States, in the next Benghazi. there will be joy.
        Why are amers still competitors with ties and buyers from the USSR - opponents of the United States?
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 30 June 2020 00: 13 New
          0
          Korostelev believes that new complexes can not only be supplied for the needs of the Armed Forces, but also exported.

          Iran is quite possible to buy. Who else doesn’t? Here the State Department will be delighted ... wink
          1. Martian
            Martian 30 June 2020 16: 18 New
            0
            Will not buy. There are much better complexes in Russia. And in Ukraine, the Americans are commanding, for sure Iran will not be allowed.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 30 June 2020 18: 16 New
              0
              There are much better complexes in Russia.

              There is. But those that are better, they will be substantially more expensive, and ours are not sold to all RCCs.
              X-35U was not sold to Azerbaijan, although there was a request. This is not entirely self-defense. And besides the States of Saudi Arabia and Israel are very upset.
              But Ukraine, at least a few years ago, had a drum for all of our reasons.
              Zelensky might not decide, but Poroshenko would have sold everything. laughing
      2. Prisoner
        Prisoner 29 June 2020 19: 16 New
        +1
        Doubt is caused not only by the sincerity of words, but also by his mental health. hi
    3. Alexey from Perm
      Alexey from Perm 1 July 2020 15: 41 New
      0
      why are these people not yet in Russia?
  2. Tusv
    Tusv 29 June 2020 18: 16 New
    +6
    Last week, Kiev Luch Design Bureau completed the testing of the Neptune coastal-based anti-ship missile system. It took 2,5 years to develop it.

    I didn’t get into civilians already
    1. venik
      venik 29 June 2020 19: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: Tusv
      Last week, Kiev Luch Design Bureau completed the testing of the Neptune coastal-based anti-ship missile system. It took 2,5 years to develop it.

      I didn’t get into civilians already

      ========
      Uncle is lying like a "gray gelding"! They have been trying to copy the X-35 since 2004! Back in 2004, they received a copy of the X-35 and technical documentation for study and joint production with the Russian Federation .... And then the American protege of Yushchenko came to power, the topics on promising projects with Russia "were covered with a copper basin" (only old contracts remained), and then the racket and the documentation held back and on the sly continued to study and copy ... Not everything really worked out ... But something happened ...
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 29 June 2020 21: 18 New
        0
        Quote: venik
        "covered with a copper basin"

        E. Namesake. You can turn in a copper basin for colored scrap and eat quite a couple of days.
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 30 June 2020 00: 16 New
        +1
        GOS X-35 for firing not only at sea, but also at ground targets in their documentation was not.
        We ourselves have it relatively recently appeared. hi
  3. Mouse
    Mouse 29 June 2020 18: 36 New
    +2
    it was an extraordinary work that was successfully completed despite scarce funding

    Next, funds should be found for mass production of the complex, but the general director of KB Luch has no doubt that they will be allocated from the state budget.

    Even more meager ........
    wassat
    To be alive .....
  4. Samara_63
    Samara_63 29 June 2020 18: 37 New
    +2
    They can provoke a preemptive strike.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 29 June 2020 18: 55 New
      +6
      Quote: Samara_63
      They can provoke a preemptive strike.

      On the preventive no, we have strong nerves, but on the return - yes.
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 29 June 2020 21: 53 New
      +2
      They will not be able to, but their leaders from the CIA are already planning this!
  5. Samara_63
    Samara_63 29 June 2020 18: 40 New
    -4
    In general, the APU has seriously increased muscle
    1. dragy52rus
      dragy52rus 29 June 2020 19: 01 New
      +4
      what exactly increased?
      1. Martian
        Martian 30 June 2020 16: 20 New
        +1
        The army .... They slept through Donbas and surrendered. 20 years on TV la-la-la from zeroed out ... But Ukrainians gathered an army.
        1. Martian
          Martian 30 June 2020 16: 22 New
          +1
          It is interesting how the program replaces the word xoxli with Ukrainians automatically ....
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 29 June 2020 20: 28 New
      +2
      Who told you such nonsense? The situation in Ukraine is awful. Everyone is tired of the war, people are fleeing, drug addiction, alcoholism, and looting are flourishing. This is not an army - this is a gang; when you meet a serious opponent, you’ll scatter so that you’ll catch horseradish.
  6. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 29 June 2020 18: 43 New
    +9
    The CEO is proud to note that Neptune is capable of great destruction, because its warhead weighs 150 kilograms. He notes that the anti-missile system of an enemy ship can destroy one missile, having used up all its ammunition, but against the second or third ship it will remain defenseless.
    A very interesting little man. According to him, it turns out that the "enemy" will come out in one ship, and brave Ukrainian Moremans will start firing at him, forgetting that the enemy also has anti-ship missiles, and they will also fire them at the Ukrainian ship. And here you need to see who will be left without missiles having used up their ammunition. Is he sick?
    1. Martian
      Martian 30 June 2020 16: 00 New
      +1
      Interesting. Smart. Careerist. And business. I worked with him for 5 years in KB Luch back in the USSR. They worked together, plumped, cobbed, built. He was still only the programmer team leader in Division 6.
  7. Astra wild
    Astra wild 29 June 2020 18: 43 New
    +4
    Colleagues, who knows, this Neptune analogue: Onyx or Ball?
    Although the latter is coast-based.
    Somewhere on the site there were publications that besides: Russia, the USA and France, the rest release only imitations. Perhaps Neptune is also an imitation?
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 29 June 2020 18: 52 New
      -2
      I don’t know about imitation, but even copying such an object in 2,5 years is even nothing ...
    2. Holgerton
      Holgerton 29 June 2020 18: 54 New
      +5
      Rather, an analogue of the Bala, since the missile is a direct analogue of the Kh-35 (U), the Onyx anti-ship missile system was also put into the coastal complex, called Bastion.
      And the fact that only Russia, the United States and France, so it was a long time ago and not true. The same ones, for example, China, Norway, Sweden, etc. The world does not revolve only around the X-35, Harpoon and Exocet.
      Moreover, any country that produces anti-ship missiles can make its coastal complex with anti-ship missiles, only not everyone will have means of target designation of their own production, but they can always be bought.
    3. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 29 June 2020 20: 06 New
      +5
      We have recently been in one country and have been developing common weapons.
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  8. Holgerton
    Holgerton 29 June 2020 18: 47 New
    +6
    Well, on the one hand, yes, Korostelyov is a serious man, it is not for nothing that he is listed as the chief designer, and the Luch KB itself is doing well, several countries have already organized licensed assembly of their ATGMs and ready-made ones are selling well, although the main client is still the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but with on the other hand ... about 10-11 months for the division, he bent a little, more likely even deliberately cunning, at least in the fact that 10-11 months is of course the real term of "production", but the production is also preceded by a preparatory stage for preparing the tooling and materials for the launch of production, for the first stage it will take at least 3-4 months, and only then will a more or less rhythmic process begin.
    Well, let's just say, all the ZRAK (as I understood from the video) do not shoot at one missile, otherwise there would be no point in the battalion, and so, well, there is a standard subsonic anti-ship missile, there are such all over the world, the battalion can even confidently sink orders of frigates / corvettes, no better and no worse than the rest, unless you take into account something like "Caliber-NK" or LRASM, which so far represent "top hardware solutions" in their class.
    1. Martian
      Martian 30 June 2020 16: 26 New
      +2
      Serious. And smart. And business. And cunning. And a great careerist. Able to give seed and knock out loot. I worked with him for 5 years at KB Luch. It's a pity. The collapse of the USSR is a crime.
  9. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 29 June 2020 18: 50 New
    +3
    oooooo .... if "entoy rocket" to get where it is not necessary to get, then the destruction may be mom do not cry ... by the way, sho for the passage about the elusive pershu rocket, which will use up the entire missile defense stock ????
  10. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 29 June 2020 18: 55 New
    +4
    and by the way "neptune" is kind of like a subsonic anti-ship missile? Who will explain what is the "revolution" in the production of "Neptune"? The fact that Ukraine was able to make a subsonic anti-ship missile?
  11. donavi49
    donavi49 29 June 2020 18: 57 New
    +5
    Ray is one of the most successful defense industry enterprises now. Even if you look at export:
    6000 kits for Corsair ATGM in Bulgaria - Subsidiary of the State Company Ukrspetsexport The state-owned enterprise Ukroboronservis supplied the Bulgarian company Sage Consultants JSCO (32A Cherni Vrah Blvd. blvd. RN LOZENETS DISTR., FLOOR 8 Sofia, 1407) with lots of components for production 6000 units of ATGM RK-3OF.


    A joint project with Poland to create a Pirat ATGM based on this Corsair:
    The development and production of the Pirat light anti-tank complex (ATGM) is one of the areas of cooperation between the Ukrainian enterprise GosKKB Luch and the Polish company Mesko, which is developing for the Polish Army a new light portable anti-tank missile system with a laser beam guidance system.

    500 sets to Jordan of which are made approved by the King - Raptor.
    - Sets of components Nos. 1 and 2 for assembling [500] guided anti-tank missiles of the caliber 107 mm RK-ZK (with tandem-cumulative warhead), RK-ZOF (with high-explosive fragmentation warhead)

    About 300 ATGM Skif and Corsair for the Saudis in Yemen.
    Ukraine will supply Saudi Arabia with another 160 anti-tank missile systems "Skif" and "Korsar"
    In 2019, Ukrspetsexport sold 140 Skif and Korsar anti-tank systems to Saudi Arabia


    An unknown number of Scythians and Corsairs in Qatar. They are used both in infantry units and combat units from the Turkish Aselsan.



    Inguli and all kinds of Hurts are sold to India - these are complexes for passing maintenance and control for missiles, shells and bombs.
    1. Holgerton
      Holgerton 29 June 2020 19: 09 New
      +3
      It can also be added that in the spring there was news that Luch extended the service life of approximately 6020 ATGM 9M114K (F) Shturm for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and also checks for the suitability of the KUV 9M112 Cobra missiles supplied from Belarus.
      Extensions and checks are carried out at the level of: disassemble the TPK, check the control equipment (the same "Gurts" about which you mentioned), which they produce and put it back together. Non-working ATGMs for scrap, workers for the troops and the rest on trifles.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 29 June 2020 19: 02 New
    +1
    A couple of questions remain.
    Will they do or not?
    If they do, will we find frostbitten, ready to be crazy?
    We must not forget that they have more than one excuse. Going directly will not risk it, but there will be a lot of stench!
    Because it doesn’t last long, but incidental damage will be necessary.
  13. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 29 June 2020 19: 14 New
    +3
    Quote: rocket757
    A couple of questions remain.
    Will they do or not?
    If they do, will we find frostbitten, ready to be crazy?
    We must not forget that they have more than one excuse. Going directly will not risk it, but there will be a lot of stench!
    Because it doesn’t last long, but incidental damage will be necessary.

    Well, that is, it was the absence of anti-ship missiles that prevented them (did not give) the Donbas to win back by force of arms? voila ...... well, in 11 months one division will be operational and what will radically change in the alignment of forces? WHAT, will there be something that will allow you to fire where you do not need with impunity and unrequitedly? If the question is - can they? Maybe ... there will be enough fools. But after pulnut surrenders to me KB "Luch" will go into the category of a once successful KB.
  14. antivirus
    antivirus 29 June 2020 19: 15 New
    -2
    He’s like a Polovtsian, and V. Korotich, he’s not like a Buryat
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  16. Citizen of the Russian Federation_4
    Citizen of the Russian Federation_4 29 June 2020 19: 21 New
    -9
    Well, if they said that they would put it, then they would put it, now we have to put it down.
  17. Tagan
    Tagan 29 June 2020 19: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: Samara_63
    In general, the APU has seriously increased muscle

    In which place?
  18. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 29 June 2020 19: 22 New
    0
    Even if they don’t look in the direction of Russia. 08 08 08 seems like a childish prank! We are already in a different weight category. Only three cars with Ukrainian numbers unsubscribed drove away. Not everyone means the head was sunburned. Sochi.
  19. Tagan
    Tagan 29 June 2020 19: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    and by the way "neptune" is kind of like a subsonic anti-ship missile? Who will explain what is the "revolution" in the production of "Neptune"? The fact that Ukraine was able to make a subsonic anti-ship missile?

    In finalizing the Soviet missile.
  20. Kramb
    Kramb 29 June 2020 19: 55 New
    +2
    Quote: Attack aircraft
    , many in Russia will bite their teeth when on Bandera’s youth day and graduation evening, they bombard schools in the Donbass and constantly threaten .. It’s time to end this already!

    That's right, it’s high time to accept the Donbass as part of Russia, and not to shove it towards Ukraine. But this is weak, global sanctions against Russian oligarchs and their henchmen will be ... business and accounts abroad will be arrested ...
  21. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 29 June 2020 20: 21 New
    +2
    In the 80s, he witnessed in the area of ​​Kildin. How did the BOD surrender the missile defense mission. What’s their AK 630 there. They didn’t hit the rocket in the first stage, they smashed the firewood in the second. Maryata 2 was hanging out on the horizon, how could it be without them. there are no collapsing anti-ship missiles, except Zircon, and even then they will find a council. And you also write some nonexistent analogs in the world. You can’t stop progress. You can talk about anything, the problem of the sword and shield is an eternal story.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 30 June 2020 08: 37 New
      -2
      The target on which the BOD was shooting is most likely the P-15, or maybe even the CRM (Comet). This is such a big puff creature that goes along the trajectory, visually well detectable, at an altitude of 100m.

      Exoset-like (X-35, S-802/3, Harpoon, Neptune, Otomat and others) - have a significantly smaller visual and IR contour. They have several profiles of attack and breakthrough MZA (sneaking at maximum speed and height of 5 meters, a slide at 200m with a maneuver, etc.). Well, their very ideology is somewhat different. For large ships (such as BOD), immediately drop the entire package into 8 missiles, for example, some advanced versions allow you to draw complex routes, assemble them in tight groups, etc. In any case, when 2-3 missiles break through from one direction, the MZA will do nothing.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 30 June 2020 08: 50 New
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        So it was forty years ago. Not at all in new projects, the issue of combating RCC has remained at the level of MHA.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 30 June 2020 08: 59 New
          -2
          Well, forty years later, we have the same BOD wink . Only in the worst condition - for fuel from the Torov rockets is cracked sad

          Modernization of the newest BOD destroyer after 7 years.


          If you take the Black Sea, then there is the cruiser Moscow - his Wasp will be extremely conditionally effective for low-flying ones, well, the MZA will be finished.

          3x11356 - they have Calm-1 (that is, Beech) at a distance and MZA to the last circuit, and one installation on board:


          Well, and small, by the way there is quite a chance to fight off a single missile. It’s not a fact that Bendings will be able to fire at her forehead, but from an angle there will probably already be a chance to capture and launch. Well, Roy will be more effective due to the density of fire.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 30 June 2020 09: 06 New
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            Thank you. I meant new ones. It is clear that one in the sea is not a warrior, in the event of a complex attack the fate of the Varyag is protected. It is necessary to build ships for the Navy at a slower pace than now. It's a shame but not fatal.
      2. Cristall
        Cristall 30 June 2020 23: 30 New
        -4
        Quote: donavi49
        In any case, when 2-3 missiles break through from one direction, the MZA will do nothing.

        recalled the moment from the movie about the T 22 and the aircraft carrier.
        The truth is X 22 ..

        But the moment of breakthrough itself (albeit in Hollywood traditions).
        A short-range air defense system was able to hit only a part.
        As I understand it, now it makes sense to detect the carrier of the CD itself and lead it to "separation of targets on the screen"
        Because then it will be too late.
  22. APASUS
    APASUS 29 June 2020 20: 37 New
    +1
    How much is this effective weapon, we will soon see how much the APU will buy and who will be the buyer for export ........ I think Europeans or Americans will not buy
  23. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 June 2020 20: 41 New
    -2
    I do not believe. I do not believe that they will find enough funds to issue a division within a year ... And what is a division?
    Spins on the sight of our systems near the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov ... Will they provoke? Will be. Shoot? Well, perhaps as a result of collective insanity ... The rest can not be considered.
    And it will be - if there is, in 3 years at least ... The appearance of the division ...
  24. 113262a
    113262a 29 June 2020 21: 18 New
    0
    And whose transporter is there? Is it MZKT?
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 30 June 2020 00: 17 New
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      KRAZ like

      The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information.
  25. Old26
    Old26 29 June 2020 21: 21 New
    +8
    Quote: lelik613
    I alone believe that it is necessary to make organizational conclusions on the personalities?

    Laurels of Americans or Israelis do not give rest?

    Quote: credo
    Quote: lelik613
    I alone believe that it is necessary to make organizational conclusions on the personalities?

    Yes, the United States is underdeveloping something, or vice versa, it has worked so that it’s sure that nothing will burn out for Korostelev and Luch.
    In general, excessive optimism from the lips of Korostelev raises certain doubts about the sincerity of his words.

    What is excessive optimism that makes you doubt his sincerity? What will not be able for 10-11 months 2,5 dozen missiles? Or other counterparties will not be able, in particular, KRAZ to release 2 dozen machines of the complex with financing?

    Quote: Captive
    Doubt is caused not only by the sincerity of words, but also by his mental health. hi

    And what is it. What signs of mental illness are visible in the Luch CEO?

    Quote: Astra wild
    Colleagues, who knows, this Neptune analogue: Onyx or Ball?
    Although the latter is coast-based.
    Somewhere on the site there were publications that besides: Russia, the USA and France, the rest release only imitations. Perhaps Neptune is also an imitation?

    Both Onyx and BAL are shore-based. But in this particular case "Neptune" is an analogue of our "Ball". Only it is slightly larger in size and on the launcher 4 TPK instead of 8 at the "Bal". The truth and the structure of the division for “Bal” and “Neptune” is somewhat different.

    Bala has a division with 4 missiles (that is, 32 missiles ready for launch) and 4 TPMs with 8 TPKs on each. That is, 32 more missiles. As a result, it turns out that the Bala battalion is 4 SPU, 4 TPM and 64 missiles in the battalion's ammunition load.
    Neptune has 4 missiles on SPU. The number of SPUs in the division is 6. A total of 24 missiles on launch. The division also includes 6 TZM (4 TPK on each) and 4 TM (transport vehicles). Each also has 4 TPKs. Total division "Neptune" - 6 SPU, 6TZM, 6TM with a total ammunition of 72 missiles

    As for imitation. The question is very complicated. As far as I remember, anti-ship missiles are launched by the following countries: USA, Russia, France, Sweden or Norway (I don’t remember exactly), Israel, Iran, India, Pakistan, China, Republic of China, North Korea, South Korea and Japan (offhand). Basically, these are copies, sometimes improved by someone’s rocket).
    In this particular case, "Neptune" is a further development of our missile complex "Uranus", which was based on the American complex "Harpoon". Although the development of "Uranus" is the North Korean anti-ship missile system Kumsong-3

    Quote: tihonmarine
    A very interesting little man. According to him, it turns out that the "enemy" will come out in one ship, and the brave Ukrainian Moremans will start firing at him, forgetting that the enemy also has anti-ship missiles

    According to him, this was not visible anywhere. The question was asked what target the "Neptune" is designed to defeat.
    With regard to our "Uranus" they always write that it is designed to destroy ships with a displacement of up to 5000 tons.

    Quote: Holgerton
    but the production is also preceded by the preparatory stage for the preparation of equipment and materials for the launch of production

    Evgeniy! There is no need to prepare the rig. "Neptune" is already in some quantity, and not by piece has already been released ...

    Quote: Ovsigovets
    oooooo .... if "entoy rocket" to get where it is not necessary to get, then the destruction may be mom do not cry ... by the way, sho for the passage about the elusive pershu rocket, which will use up the entire missile defense stock ????

    Listen again. There is not a word about the elusive missile. He describes a typical dueling situation that is possible. Not every country has complexes similar to our "Kortik". Most often this is not a ZRAK, but an MKZA. And if it has a limited ammunition load, then he (this complex will be able to shoot down the first one), but depending on the situation, the next missiles may simply not have enough ammunition

    Quote: rocket757
    A couple of questions remain.
    Will they do or not?
    If they do, will we find frostbitten, ready to be crazy?
    We must not forget that they have more than one excuse. Going directly will not risk it, but there will be a lot of stench!
    Because it doesn’t last long, but incidental damage will be necessary.

    Victor! There are no questions about what they will do. About the frostbitten ones? It is unlikely that the frostbitten natsbats will sit at the consoles of these complexes. In addition, for some reason, in many posts on this topic (continuous "shuffling", they say, we will roll them out) only one variant of the enemy is considered - Russia. And the fact that such complexes can be used against the DPR or LPR, can be delivered to Georgia and used against Abkhazia and South Ossetia - such issues are not considered a priori. As well as deliveries in general to other countries ...
    1. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 30 June 2020 16: 57 New
      0
      Not every country has complexes similar to our "Kortik".

      - and similar C300, C350, C400.
      One missile is an ode to a missile defense. A maximum of two.
      1. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 30 June 2020 17: 12 New
        0
        There is no need to prepare the rig. "Neptunes" are already in some quantity, and not piece by piece have already been released.

        - several pieces can be bungled on the knee.
        But MASS (economically effective)
        production (with a more or less predictable result)
        - it, alas - REQUIRES only and not so much REMAINS,
        how many gigantic VOLUME OF TESTS implying GATHERING STATISTICS.
        And this is always expensive and long.
        Of course, you can bungle on your knee. And without testing.
        And it even, maybe somehow it will sometimes work.
        But to be sure that ANY manufactured INSTANCE
        at the moment "H" starts by pressing the button, will fly the specified distance
        in a given direction and will fall in the target area with a given deviation
        - here ettt already - hardly 8-))
        .
        And the more difficult it is to be sure that all the same will "come true" - after
        storage of this "miracle" for N years and transportation at a distance of X,
        by transport type K.

        Nature - her-it-you can’t be fooled.
        and this is the materiel!
  26. Old26
    Old26 29 June 2020 21: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: 113262
    And whose transporter is there? Is it MZKT?

    KRAZ
  27. svoit
    svoit 29 June 2020 22: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Old26
    And the fact that such complexes can be used against the DPR or LPR can be delivered to Georgia and used against Abkhazia and South Ossetia - such issues are not considered a priori

    so the fleet of these countries is not so big that it would be jammed by the Neptunes.
  28. Andrey Vasilievich
    Andrey Vasilievich 29 June 2020 22: 59 New
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    In the future it will come in handy when protection from the US aircraft carrier squadron is required. It’s not forever for the fascists to rave in Ukraine.
  29. basal
    basal 29 June 2020 23: 03 New
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    Oh, I do not believe Korostylev. Either he was very crafty, or he escaped from the house with soft walls. I read his interview, from where I learned that ... In 2014. the great helmsman of the Turchins set the task: to make a rocket for the Smerch MLRS, otherwise there is nothing to shoot. And then flooded. For two years, a super-duper Vilka rocket was created, which Tornado is not suitable for soles, because with it Tornado is no longer MLRS, because all forks are homing. It looks like the grandfather stuck the GPS navigator))). More cool. It turns out that the Plug in all respects exceeds the Point. That's how the MLRS turned into OTR. Sleight of hand (tongue) and no fraud. Think everything? Nooo. Just now, they are making a rocket from Vilka for an air defense system, naturally the coolest one - independent.
    Well, what can we say about Neptune, slap for the year on an initiative basis. Of course it never gets cooler.
    By the way, KB Luch is mainly engaged in anti-tank issues, but if the party said it is necessary ...
    1. Martian
      Martian 30 June 2020 16: 13 New
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      By the way, initially the Luch Design Bureau was engaged in missile control equipment. Well, by order of Vympel, it developed separate blocks. He worked there. And Korosteleva know very well, talked on all fronts .... A smart man and cunning. But he knows how to organize the work.
    2. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 30 June 2020 16: 54 New
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      By the way, KB Luch is mainly engaged in anti-tank issues, but if the party said it is necessary ...

      - And what if you make an anti-tank missile - but only BIG-BIG ?!
      8-))
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  31. Alien From
    Alien From 29 June 2020 23: 09 New
    +1
    Remind these guys about decommunization ........
  32. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 30 June 2020 00: 13 New
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    is it not the s-300 they advertise with the new coloring?
  33. Old26
    Old26 30 June 2020 01: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: svoit
    Quote: Old26
    And the fact that such complexes can be used against the DPR or LPR can be delivered to Georgia and used against Abkhazia and South Ossetia - such issues are not considered a priori

    so the fleet of these countries is not so big that it would be jammed by the Neptunes.

    "Neptune" can strike not only at sea targets, but also at ground targets. And this is exactly the worst thing.
  34. KCA
    KCA 30 June 2020 04: 13 New
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    For some reason, in Russia, the X-35 is just a missile of the "Uranus" complex, and in 404, a weapon of retaliation capable of destroying the entire Russian fleet in the Black Sea? Well, some people understand that the submarine division in Novorossiysk will immediately surrender to the heroes, the "Calibers" will not reach Kuev, they will not reach a little, 5 meters
  35. Termit1309
    Termit1309 30 June 2020 04: 46 New
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    Quote: Old26
    "Neptune" can strike not only at sea targets, but also at ground targets. And this is exactly the worst thing.

    Ett how radio contrast should a ground target have to strike RCC? If only on the Crimean bridge?
  36. Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 June 2020 06: 25 New
    -1
    Fresh tradition, but hard to believe. And what can this division do in a year? Only a hint of launch in our direction means the end of the banderlog.
  37. maykl8
    maykl8 30 June 2020 06: 40 New
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    According to Korostelev, it will take 10-11 months to deliver a division of missiles to the troops.

    Plus 1 year to train this division. In total, in 2 years Ukraine will probably have a combat-ready missile battalion "Neptuns", which has not been tested in combat and with childhood illnesses of the complex.
  38. ork_333
    ork_333 30 June 2020 08: 28 New
    -1
    I wonder why he decided that for the destruction of this missile the ship must necessarily use up all the ammunition?
  39. Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 30 June 2020 08: 59 New
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    We will collapse the Bridge? ...
  40. +5
    +5 30 June 2020 10: 40 New
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    The point is people, give me the money, I will work out .... But the availability of both money and high-quality execution of the order is rather no than yes.
    And why are they, really, except for PR and drank? For a real war in the Donbass is a useless thing, to threaten Russia ??? Hey, can you threaten more than a strike with Points or aircraft in the Crimea? Rially? It seems to be smart enough not to threaten .... and if they decide to, all the extra staff should be written to the New Heavenly Hundred immediately and in absentia, the crusts-travel cards for future widows should be issued, etc.
  41. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 30 June 2020 12: 19 New
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    Well, who needs alterations of old missiles? It would be better for Ukraine to think about how not to quarrel with its neighbors.
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 30 June 2020 23: 37 New
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      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Well, who needs alterations of old missiles?

      most missiles in service
      "alterations of old missiles"
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Ukraine would be better off thinking about not quarreling with its neighbors.

      They thought so for 23 years, they were the most peaceful in the region. They sold all the army and equipment, believed in peace, friendship, some kind of papers with signatures ..
      It is better to rework old missiles in service than to think about peaceful neighbors. At the right time, it is better not to hesitate having something to shoot than to trust the neighbors, the papers, and even the US assurances that someone will guarantee us something for protection.
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 1 July 2020 09: 13 New
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        Rather, for 23 years, Ukrainians thought about where to steal something, where to sell what was left of the USSR, fill their pocket and shit up a neighbor who bought his goods and supplied very cheap energy. And also, everyone who came to power thought how to sell the country as quickly as possible, to get loans, to plunder them and to live well.
        It is not the ancient funny missiles that are terrible, but the fact that some of the idiots in power would want to organize another provocation and then Ukraine will cease to exist. All your trouble is in the absence of smart people in power and a large number of people like you, such as "patriots", but in reality the enemies of Ukraine.
        Ukraine is in ruins, people (hard workers, specialists) have fled, industry has actually died, and you all think about the war with Russia, which if necessary, will demolish the APU within a week, spending the first 6 days on customs clearance.
  42. Old26
    Old26 30 June 2020 13: 04 New
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    Quote: APASUS
    How much is this effective weapon, we will soon see how much the APU will buy and who will be the buyer for export ........ I think Europeans or Americans will not buy

    How much will be bought is not always an accurate criterion for how effective this weapon is. For example, consider several missiles that are very close, both in terms of performance and architecture - "Harpoon", "Uranus", "Neptune", "Kumsong-3". The North Korean version is only exported to one country, Myanmar. Our "Uranus" - to 4 countries - Algeria, Vietnam, India, Venezuela (in the "Bala" version). And if you take the American "Harpoon", then it is exported to 25 countries. Can we say that "Harpoon" is more efficient than "Uranus", and "Uranus" is more efficient than "Kumsong-3" ??? Of course no.

    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    I do not believe. I do not believe that they will find enough funds to issue a division within a year ... And what is a division?
    Spins on the sight of our systems near the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov ... Will they provoke? Will be. Shoot? Well, perhaps as a result of collective insanity ... The rest can not be considered.
    And it will be - if there is, in 3 years at least ... The appearance of the division ...

    You see, Eugene, the question, believe it or not, is very delicate. The question of faith sometimes does not fit in with reality. Maybe this year "Neptune" will not go into service with the Ukrainian Navy, but in 2021 - what problems there may be. If there is money, there will be "chairs" (sorry, rockets). I don’t consider provoking issues at all. Among Ukrainian naval sailors, there are hardly any who dare to strike at Russian ships or its facilities. No, of course they will be able to order them and then they will shoot, perfectly understanding what the response will be.

    Quote: KCA
    For some reason, in Russia, the X-35 is just a missile of the "Uranus" complex, and in 404, a weapon of retaliation capable of destroying the entire Russian fleet in the Black Sea? Well, some people understand that the submarine division in Novorossiysk will immediately surrender to the heroes, the "Calibers" will not reach Kuev, they will not reach a little, 5 meters

    Do not directly perceive the bragging rights of politicians in / in Ukraine. Politicians are the same everywhere. They have "weapons of retaliation", we have "unparalleled in the world" ...

    Quote: Termit1309
    Quote: Old26
    "Neptune" can strike not only at sea targets, but also at ground targets. And this is exactly the worst thing.

    Ett how radio contrast should a ground target have to strike RCC? If only on the Crimean bridge?

    Not necessary. Any target can be radio contrast. For example a multi-storey building. Or a ship. The "Neptune" has several guidance systems that complement each other. For some targets, it can strike using the GOS, for some - ANN with correction

    Quote: Ros 56
    Fresh tradition, but hard to believe. And what can this division do in a year? Only a hint of launch in our direction means the end of the banderlog.

    Why is only one option perceived - launch towards Russia? Is launching on targets in the DPR or LPR banned by religion? In addition, the division is not so small. In the coming years, they plan from 3 to 5 divisions under state defense orders. Each division is 6 launchers with an ammunition load of 72 missiles. If they strike at least half of the ammunition at the same DNR or LC, they will not seem enough. Moreover, this is not mortar or artillery (or MLRS). This is a high-precision weapon with a 150-kg warhead ...

    Quote: maykl8
    Plus 1 year to train this division. In total, in 2 years Ukraine will probably have a combat-ready missile battalion "Neptuns", which has not been tested in combat and with childhood illnesses of the complex.

    The designer spoke about the capabilities of the industry, not the combat readiness of the division. And as for not being tested, most countries have such systems "not tested". Do Russian "Balls" have combat experience ??

    Quote: ork_333
    I wonder why he decided that for the destruction of this missile the ship must necessarily use up all the ammunition?

    Well, the story was said a little different. it was said that if the first missile will use up the ammunition, then the second may not have enough ammunition. And in principle, he is not far from the truth. If you imagine that the same "Neptune" goes to the target at a height of 3-5 meters above the water. The ship has an AK-630M gun mount. The effective firing range of the installation is 4000 meters.
    RCC will cover this distance in 14 seconds. How many bursts can an artillery mount on a flying anti-ship missile system give during this time and how much one anti-ship missile will spend on defeat. And if there is not the AK-630, but something else, then how ???

    Quote: 5-9
    The point is people, give me the money, I will work out .... But the availability of both money and high-quality execution of the order is rather no than yes.

    And this is for everyone. Just a day or two ago, our head of the USC announced that give money and we will build as many as 6 Leader-class nuclear destroyers. But will such an order be fulfilled? It's easier with rockets. They have it. They collect it not in a barn, but in production, therefore, the quality can be guaranteed To complete an order, you only need money ...

    Quote: 5-9
    And why are they, really, except for PR and drank? For a real war in the Donbass is a useless thing, to threaten Russia ??? Hey, can you threaten more than a strike with Points or aircraft in the Crimea? Rially? It seems to be smart enough not to threaten .... and if they decide to, all the extra staff should be written to the New Heavenly Hundred immediately and in absentia, the crusts-travel cards for future widows should be issued, etc.

    Are they releasing weapons at all? To
    1. To own and use for their needs
    2. Sell and profit for it
    Or are everyone else in the world altruistic and do it for the sake of sports interest and do not sell but give ???
    And why do you think that such a weapon is useless for the war in Donbass? That will prevent the same APU from striking targets not with mortars, but with a CD with a 150 kg warhead. And with high-precision missiles. And here, except for "against Russia", no one sees or wants to see anything, because then we must admit that the Ukrainian industry can do something. But we are pleased to write that in Ukraine it is "full of seams", nothing works, engineers and designers are scattering en masse. The ostrich's position is not to see what you don't want.
    I already wrote once, or rather asked the question, what will happen, for example, if this weapon is delivered to Georgia, which still wants to regain the rebellious provinces. They will not step on the same rake. And what will happen if a couple of such missiles will fly into the Roki tunnel, explode there and "seal" it, cutting off South Ossetia from Russia?
  43. Martian
    Martian 30 June 2020 16: 10 New
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    Oleg Petrovich says that he knows that they will give the money. Ukrainians will take away pennies from the population for the "Ukrainian rocket". When the USSR collapsed, and Oleg became the head of the 6th department, the question arose, what to do and where to get the money ... And then at night, he made his way to the headquarters to the military, who were distributing the loot and in the morning he fell down to the general and described the capabilities of the Luch KB to make a UKRAINIAN missile .... Fuck was she needed then? But it will be "Ukrainian" ... And now the design bureau is allocated grandmothers, Oleg becomes the deputy general (whom he skillfully sat down) and began to rivet from what was ... And the Luch design bureau is located inside the Artyom KPO plant, which mass-produced air -air". The union included 2 more factories in Zhulyany and Krasilov. Oleg Petrovich was a smart man. But the careerist is creepy. I know that they worked together, boozed, sabbat, built ... And then I left for Russia, home to Krasnodar. And how many smart lads from KhAI, MAI, Bauman, KAI worked there according to distribution. All basically stayed where they had to go then ...
  44. tikhonov66
    tikhonov66 30 June 2020 16: 51 New
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    He notes that the anti-missile system of an enemy ship can destroy one missile, having used up all its ammunition, but against the second or third ship it will remain defenseless.

    - The second and third - simply will not.
    There will be no one to run. And nothing.
    1. Kuzmitsky
      30 June 2020 18: 02 New
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      That's it, that's why it makes sense to think: is it worth it to launch the first?
  45. Old26
    Old26 30 June 2020 17: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: Martian
    A smart man was Oleg Petrovich. But the careerist is creepy.

    Well, not the best trait of man, but not fatal, kmk

    Quote: tikhonov66
    Not every country has complexes similar to our "Kortik".

    - and similar C300, C350, C400.
    One missile is an ode to a missile defense. A maximum of two.

    This is a short-range ship complex. And rocket-artillery.
    One missile, one anti-missile is a theoretical value. Typically, HCV is approximately 0,85-0,9 (maximum). This means that in order to hit a target with a probability of 0,999, several anti-missiles will be needed
    There are still analogs of the S-300 - S-350 - S-400

    Quote: Alex777
    Korostelev believes that new complexes can not only be supplied for the needs of the Armed Forces, but also exported.

    Iran is quite possible to buy. Who else doesn’t? Here the State Department will be delighted ... wink

    Will not buy. Yes, Iran has a fairly wide range of Chinese-made anti-ship missiles

    Quote: Martian
    Will not buy. There are much better complexes in Russia. And in Ukraine, the Americans are commanding, for sure Iran will not be allowed.

    They are unlikely to buy from us. Rather, the Chinese. Moreover, the Chinese have analogues of our RCC