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Save the Russian forest: is the government fighting deforestation or pretending?

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The Russian government has decided to tighten control over timber exports. However, will a new cabinet decree affect deforestation of Russian forests?


Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 721 “On the Case in Which Temporary Periodic Customs Declaration of Goods is Not Applicable” abolishes the practice of filing temporary customs declarations. Such declarations were actively used by forest exporters, as it allowed to adjust the volumes of timber exported abroad and to avoid liability for the illegal export of large volumes of timber. Now Russian timber merchants will not have such an opportunity. But it is unlikely that a government decree will put an end to the problem, which is becoming more and more serious every year.

Billions of rubles exported to China and other countries


The forest has long been one of the main national wealth of Russia. Huge territories in the Urals, Siberia, the Far East, Karelia are covered with forests, and among the species of growing trees there are also very valuable ones that are in great demand on the world timber market. The main direction of forest export from Siberia and the Far East is traditionally China. As for the northwestern regions of the Russian Federation, the export of forests from them is oriented to Finland.

Most often, Chinese timber buyers conspire with Russian businessmen and criminal groups, in most cases with the connivance and even patronage of local corrupt officials and security officials. As a result, barbaric deforestation continues, and timber, including valuable species, is exported to China. For example, only one Russian-Chinese group exported Mongolian oak and Manchurian ash to the PRC for a total of 458 million rubles. One can imagine the general extent of illegal forest exports and the amounts that criminal groups receive from this activity.

In Tomsk, in February 2020, the criminal group that organized the illegal export of timber from the country was exposed. Here, the total revenue is even higher - investigators estimate it at 700 million rubles. But in this case, the main direction of forest export was Uzbekistan: in this Central Asian republic there are practically no forests of its own, therefore wood is very much appreciated.

The total damage from the illegal export of wood and deforestation is estimated by experts at 1 trillion rubles annually, since we are talking not only about the cost of exported wood, but also about unreasonable deforestation, their consequences for the environment. The country is losing such enormous money without the ability (or desire?) To restore order in the forest industry.

From logging to arson: corruption is to blame


Illegal deforestation is not only the export, often for nothing, of valuable wood species outside the country. It is also irreparable damage to the environment, moreover, associated not only with deforestation itself, but also with the attempts to conceal deforestation accompanying criminal actions.



For example, one of the most common ways to hide tracks is forest fires. We see how they erupt with sad regularity in various parts of our country. Of course, far from all cases of fire are associated with the actions of intruders, but arson of the forest to hide the traces of deforestation occur frequently.

At the same time, one should not forget that the export of forest provides a huge profit, which is shared not only between the shadow dealers themselves, but also among the officials who somehow cover up these criminal acts. After all, it is clear that huge forest compositions cannot go beyond the borders of Russia without appropriate cover, at least in the form of “documents” for these parties.

But the documents are drawn up not by businessmen and not bandits, but by the authorities themselves. And the main culprits in the deforestation are, of course, precisely the corrupt officials in regional and municipal administrations and other executive bodies. In the dock, they should sit next to those who cut down and export the forest, and only such a development can be called fair.
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  1. Simon schempp
    Simon schempp 29 June 2020 11: 35 New
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    And the main culprits in deforestation are, of course, precisely the corrupt officials in regional and municipal administrations and other executive bodies. In the dock, they should sit next to those who cut down and take out the forest

    And with those who appointed them to these posts.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 29 June 2020 11: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: Simon Schempp
      And the main culprits in deforestation are, of course, precisely the corrupt officials in regional and municipal administrations and other executive bodies. In the dock, they should sit next to those who cut down and take out the forest

      And with those who appointed them to these posts.

    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta 29 June 2020 12: 21 New
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      But the documents are drawn up not by businessmen and not bandits, but by the authorities themselves.

      This is the same hydra for cutting and destroying the country.
    3. mdsr
      mdsr 29 June 2020 12: 22 New
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      Quote: Simon Schempp
      And with those who appointed them to these posts.

      In fact, the owners of Russia are the organizers and the main beneficiaries of the situation organized by them. The former governor of the Irkutsk region, Levchenko, elected by the people, tried to end this plunder in his region. But the masters of Russia, through Putin and his bucket, arranged for him a real information war for him and, in the end, removed him.
      China ranks first in the world in the export of goods consisting of recycled wood. As a word, deforestation is completely prohibited in China itself. Guess three times where she gets so much wood wink
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 29 June 2020 13: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: mdsr
        Guess three times where she gets so much wood

        "..... In 2018, New Zealand accounted for the largest share of log shipments to China, accounting for 29% of total shipments.
        Imports from New Zealand compared with 2017 increased by 21% and reached 17.38 million cubic meters. The second largest supplier (18% of total supplies or 10.48 million cubic meters) was Russia, which reduced exports to China by 7% compared to 2017. The average CIF prices (at the port of destination) for imported round logs from New Zealand increased by 6% to 141 USD / kbm, and prices for wood of Russian origin fell 0,4% to 124 USD / kbm.
        Over the past 5 years, China's imports of softwood from Russia and Canada have decreased, while from New Zealand and Australia have increased. New Zealand expanded its market share, accounting for about 44% of total coniferous imports, which reached a new high of 2018 million cubic meters in 40. Three years ago, New Zealand's share was still at 30%. Over the past three years. Canada reduced supplies by 26% to 2,5 million m3 in 2018.Russia suffered the greatest losses: the market share of Russian timber fell 36% to 18%. According to the information and analytical agency WhatWood, the reasons for the decline in exports include the high demand for sawn timber within the country, especially in Siberia and the Far East after the commissioning of new capacities, as well as tariff and non-tariff regulation measures carried out by the Russian government. The share of Russian unprocessed timber among the total volume of imports on the Chinese market in 2018 amounted to 18-20% according to various sources (in 2017 - 26%, in 2011 - 45% with an import volume of about 14 million cubic meters) ... ... "
        You can see here:
        https://masterok.livejournal.com/4624430.html
        1. savage1976
          savage1976 29 June 2020 14: 50 New
          +6
          They do not like to read the truth here.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 29 June 2020 16: 20 New
            +3
            Quote: savage1976
            They do not like to read the truth here.

            They don’t drag him to the fire, progress is already ... laughing
            1. Private-K
              Private-K 1 July 2020 08: 16 New
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              Quote: Hagen
              Quote: savage1976
              They do not like to read the truth here.

              They don’t drag him to the fire, progress is already ... laughing

              And we would like to.
              By the way, the United States is the absolute leader in deforestation. Which is understandable - there are 95% of the construction of residential buildings made of wood. Yeah.
              1. Aag
                Aag 3 July 2020 19: 12 New
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                Are they building houses for themselves?
                1. Private-K
                  Private-K 4 July 2020 08: 33 New
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                  But the question is precisely about deforestation, and not where it goes. And, yes, the lion's share of the American forest goes to China. And this is the same round wood.
                  And the wood market in the Russian Federation, as well as in the USA, or in Canada, or in other "enlightened and civilized" countries, is covered by internal felling. But in the USA, such a market is larger due to the volumetric wooden housing construction, which means that more felling is required.
                  1. Aag
                    Aag 4 July 2020 17: 56 New
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                    "... And the wood market in the Russian Federation, as well as in the USA, or in Canada, or in other" enlightened and civilized "countries, is covered by internal felling. ..."
                    Very interesting. But nothing is clear .. How is the "tree market" "covered by" internal felling "?
                    In general, the article says that barbaric deforestation does not bring adequate income to the budget of the Russian Federation. Forests, like many other things, ceased to be a national treasure. IMHO: Even if the whole owner was seized by a normal owner, and not a temporary worker, a colonialist, then there wouldn’t be such barbarism!
                    Official statistics, in my opinion, are strongly .... wrong in terms of volumes ... of disaster.
                    The forest is a large, profitable, business. As a result, it is very criminal. Under Medvedev, there was still a tryndel: everyone, they covered it up, we’ll cut whoever what is from space. We bought drones, drive separate timber trucks. Another cut! Excuse me, not all of them, - some of the round timber goes to private sawmills around the regional center (Irkutsk). The owners were Chinese. Now they are more often Armenians. From there, the lumber, according to gray schemes, goes to private owners, to construction markets. Small things, relative .. .And what can be seen from space is the work of German, Italian companies, domestic bandits ... The phrase "Law-taiga" has acquired a new meaning. Although, in fact, it is the same ...
                    Well, and as the author wrote, such a scale of theft is not possible without the participation of officials. Starting with the traffic police inspector, forester, and above, up to, without knowing.
                    Periodically, local news reports on the number of criminal cases brought (usually, these are pawns, with the seized
                    By "employer" with passports, residents of neighboring villages, out of poverty and (or) from poverty, ready for a little bit to cut down the forest even around their village, house, village.
                    Believe me, Taiga, she is not as powerful as it might seem, she is very vulnerable ... He was born and raised in the Baltic States, with its "combed" forests. The mentality is different! Sorry, another topic ... hi
                    1. Private-K
                      Private-K 5 July 2020 09: 57 New
                      +1
                      Quote: AAG
                      Very interesting. But nothing is clear .. How is the "tree market" "covered by" internal felling "?

                      What is not clear here? In the Russian Federation, forest cut down in the Russian Federation is used. In the USA, forest is cut down in the USA and Canada. In China, the forest used is cut down in the Russian Federation, the USA, Canada, Australia, New. Zealand. Part of the production of furniture is forest cut down in tropical countries - specific varieties.
                      Due to the massive wooden housing construction in the USA, Canada, Australia, N.Zelandy - forest consumption there will be higher than the national average. And significantly. So, since there is demand, there will be supply.
                      Quote: AAG
                      Barbaric deforestation does not bring adequate revenues to the budget of the Russian Federation.

                      This, of course, is not good. Yes, you need to put things in order. But, note, this is not about cutting down as such, but about making them legal and ensuring tax revenue. (By the way, it would be nice if tax revenues from the forest go to local budgets.)
                      Quote: AAG
                      Now more often Armenians.

                      Do you understand that this changes things a lot? repeat
                      Quote: AAG
                      Taiga, she is not as powerful as it might seem

                      That's for sure. The Russian taiga, in reality, is weaker than the American and Canadian forests. There is much less valuable wood.
                      Quote: AAG
                      The mentality is different

                      I am a resident of the center of a large city. For me, any tree on the pavement matters. And I will be very indignant if they try to cut down without replacement. Fortunately, the urban landscape around me is replete with trees ... But there is a nuance! A nuance that is not customary to talk about and which few people know about. So, the area and quality of forests in the Russian Federation (and not only in the Russian Federation) over the past hundred years has not decreased at all, but increased. In some regions, it has increased fundamentally. And cities and so forth. Us. the points were planted green essentially more than before. (This attracted attention when old photos appeared in the public domain.)

                      As a result, we have: the essence of the issue is to put the felling of forests in the Russian Federation under state control, force the fellers to follow the established rules, to ensure control over the implementation of this.
        2. dimasik-nl
          dimasik-nl 29 June 2020 16: 19 New
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          I was in New Zealand, the whole country is forested, there are deforestation, but not in such a barbaric way as in Russia
          1. Private-K
            Private-K 5 July 2020 10: 01 New
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            Quote: dimasik-nl
            I was in New Zealand, the whole country is forested, there are deforestation, but not in such a barbaric way as in Russia

            Are you a professional timber merchant? Do you have a set of specialized knowledge?
            Have you visited timber cutting sites in different countries? Have you had the opportunity to compare?
            Are you familiar with the police affairs of different countries on this issue?
        3. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 29 June 2020 22: 09 New
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          Thank you for the adequate information.
    4. Gargantua
      Gargantua 29 June 2020 12: 29 New
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      Quote: Simon Schempp
      And with those who appointed them to these posts.

      The struggle of the Russian authorities with the export of wood is a copy of its fight against corruption in the country and the poverty of citizens. How can a system struggle with the fact that it itself leads? The most recent example is last year's story of fires in the Krasnoyarsk Territory. The head of the Accounts Chamber then accused Governor Uss of organizing and patronizing illegal logging and sweeping tracks through fires. She was immediately fired.
      1. Wolf 1
        Wolf 1 29 June 2020 12: 38 New
        +3
        There is generally a muddy story.
        "The video tells in detail about Davydenko's 'family business' - in particular, that her daughter, Maria Davydenko, owns Aeroprom LLC. Since 2017, this company has been the main contractor for the provision of services for patrolling and extinguishing forest fires.

        It is claimed that for 2017-2018. Aeroprom earned more than 406 million rubles from extinguishing forest fires. In addition, from 2009 to 2014, the daughter of a former official received 1,5 million sq. meters of land in the Berezovsky District of the Krasnoyarsk Territory (the video contains documents as evidence - extracts from the Unified Register of Real Estate). By 2019, agreements with the company Maria Davydenko began to be terminated - over the past year she did not sign a single new contract (there is really no data on new contracts in the Kontur.Fokus system). According to the authors of the video, after that Davydenko and "began to look for corruption in lost profits."
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPRJo39Ru-4&feature=emb_logo
    5. Civil
      Civil 29 June 2020 12: 51 New
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      Well, this is the common fate of the poor resource "banana" republics - poverty, corruption, hopelessness, barbaric plunder of nature.
    6. Svarog
      Svarog 29 June 2020 14: 53 New
      +3
      Save the Russian forest: is the government fighting deforestation or pretending?

      The question is actually the answer .. in my opinion, the authorities are only pretending to fight corruption, unemployment .. the fifth column .. windmills .. That’s why it’s important to look at the results .. and only at the results .. they can throw on the ears ..
    7. Siberia
      Siberia 1 July 2020 04: 40 New
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      These black lumberjacks have become so morose that they cut down perennial cedars already a few tens of kilometers from the city ... Until the people raised a fuss in the press they did not stop cutting down. There is now a desert - in general, all the trees were cut down! I feel soon there will be no cedars left in Siberia and there will be no nuts or forests for you ... Beasts !!! The foresters were intimidated, the authorities "greased" and go ahead. It's a pity ... These cedars were huge (trunks in several girths) and on each of them there were always so many cones ... And that's all - they are not ...
    8. Megatron
      Megatron 5 July 2020 02: 58 New
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      Why not export at all ???
  2. Grandfather
    Grandfather 29 June 2020 11: 37 New
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    Save the Russian forest: is the government fighting deforestation or pretending?
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 29 June 2020 11: 59 New
      +2
      All this is nothing more than a "side effect" of the capitalist system of economic relations.
      1. Don
        Don 29 June 2020 12: 32 New
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        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        All this is nothing more than a "side effect" of the capitalist system of economic relations.

        But this is FALSE. In Europe, the USA and in the Scandinavian countries there is also capitalism, but for some reason there is no problem of illegal logging and exporting it abroad. Paradox. This is only a problem of the criminal government and its personal interest, that's all. The problem of illegal barbaric deforestation can be stopped within a month.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 29 June 2020 12: 50 New
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          Quote: Donskoy
          But this is FALSE. In Europe, the USA and in the Scandinavian countries there is also capitalism, but for some reason there is no problem of illegal logging and its export abroad.

          Do these countries sell wood roundwood? In addition, there is practically no business forest in either Europe or the Scandinavian countries. Round timber and other raw materials are usually traded in economically underdeveloped countries.
          Quote: Donskoy
          This is only a problem of the criminal government and its personal interest, that's all. The problem of illegal barbaric deforestation can be stopped within a month.

          Fresh tradition, but hard to believe. In the place of one criminal power will immediately come another, the same criminal power, thinking only of personal enrichment. Have you seen many honest and fair officials? What about businessmen? Of these, power is obtained.
          1. Gargantua
            Gargantua 29 June 2020 13: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Fresh tradition, but hard to believe.

            With questions of faith, this is to God.
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            In the place of one criminal power will immediately come another, the same criminal power, thinking only of personal enrichment.

            This is also a lie. No, of course it can come, but this, firstly, will not necessarily happen that way, and secondly, it can be changed in the next election. But this applies to democratic countries, where there is a real change of power through democratic elections. Replaceability is one of the main tools to prevent or at least minimize what you wrote about. Any irremovable power degenerates sooner or later. Although, to whom do I explain this? You, probably, would rather prefer to write in the constitution that officials should not be stolen, and that it’s better to let the current thief sit backlol
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 29 June 2020 15: 46 New
              -2
              Quote: Gargantua
              You, probably, would rather prefer to write in the constitution that officials should not be stolen, and that it’s better to let the current thief, zeroed out

              You think so in vain. I just wanted to say that with the current political and economic structure of Russia, two new thieves will come instead of one. Because, in my opinion, all the iconic landings do not occur as a result of the fight against corruption, but as a result of the struggle of various power groups.
          2. Gargantua
            Gargantua 29 June 2020 13: 39 New
            +3
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            In the place of one criminal power will immediately come another, the same criminal power, thinking only of personal enrichment.

            Then you need to move to Turkmenistan. There, instead of some thieves, others do not come. There is only the strong power of one person and his associates. Do you want in Turkmenistan? Go ahead and with the song vote for zeroing
          3. savage1976
            savage1976 29 June 2020 15: 12 New
            +1

            The main exporters of forests in the world. There are legal felling, there are illegal. Yes, there are problems, but in the photo with cutting down and who can say they are legal or not?
        2. dimasik-nl
          dimasik-nl 29 June 2020 16: 25 New
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          I live in Holland, about 20 years ago as a stupid person cut down a small Christmas tree for the New Year, FIG, like who handed over, the forester came home and asked him in detail, drew up a protocol, and a fine of 80 euros was sent. In Europe, the forest just can not be cut down. Here he is truly a national treasure. It is sad that in Russia every year less and less forest remains
        3. ZAV69
          ZAV69 29 June 2020 18: 49 New
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          Quote: Donskoy
          In Europe, the USA and in the Scandinavian countries there is also capitalism, but for some reason there is no problem of illegal logging and exporting it abroad.

          If China were there, there would be a problem. And now there it is more profitable to re-process on the spot (where the forest still remains).
  3. evgenii67
    evgenii67 29 June 2020 11: 42 New
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    All this is sad. In the spring, summer and autumn, if you look at the Rosleskhoz ISDM program, Siberia is constantly on fire there, especially closer to the border. I don’t really see a way out, except to plant officials and black loggers and plant for a long time, and it’s even better to ban the export of round logs, only processed wood, in addition to this.
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 29 June 2020 11: 52 New
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      Quote: evgenii67
      Siberia is constantly on fire, especially closer to the border.

      A little further, abroad, the number of fires is surprisingly reduced at times. Either in China the forest is non-combustible, or we have a lot of smokers.
    2. Roman123567
      Roman123567 29 June 2020 12: 08 New
      +9
      And I don’t really see a way out, except to put officials in

      Who will plant them, interesting ??)
      Or maybe they are doing it on their own there ?? Secret from the top ??)
  4. Baloo
    Baloo 29 June 2020 11: 43 New
    +9
    The topic is not the first year, where is the action? Who does not understand how important this is, see. geography textbook. One of my late relatives graduated from the biofac before the war. Half a century ago, we talked with him about the weather, then I was a schoolboy. So he said that the weather in our region between the Kama and the Volga began to change since the late 30s, when the forest began to be actively cut on the Kola Peninsula.
    Forest fires, I hope that Shtirlitsy and Pronin someday still figure out what to do so that the forest does not burn. Perhaps sometime they will tear down those whose fault the forests are less and less. I’m interested in something else — when will they begin to restore forests. This is more important than flying to Mars and the moon.
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 29 June 2020 11: 56 New
      +1
      And whoever will restore it will not have seasonal workers in Soviet times, we spent almost the whole school on vacation in the local leshoz for reforestation during the holidays, for which we paid well, but now the children can’t work.
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 29 June 2020 16: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: BARKAS
        in Soviet times, we spent almost the entire school on vacation at the local leshoz for reforestation, for which we paid well, but now children cannot work.

        Also weeded the "Christmas tree", and planted pines on the former plots? good drinks
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 29 June 2020 12: 02 New
      -5
      Quote: Balu
      I’m interested in something else — when will they begin to restore forests. This is more important than flying to Mars and the moon.

      Such large-scale projects are beyond the power of any capitalist state.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 29 June 2020 12: 28 New
        +9
        There is no problem with planting in Fink. He cut down one tree - plant two.
        We have no desire for power.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 29 June 2020 13: 03 New
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          There is no problem with planting in Fink. He cut down one tree - plant two.
          We have no desire for power.

          Today it does not save.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 29 June 2020 14: 12 New
            +2
            Where, in Fink? Saves. And we have not even tried. For we do not even have capitalism, but wild feudalism.
            1. don-1500
              don-1500 29 June 2020 17: 31 New
              +3
              Precisely what capitalism is. Only he is of the colonial type, in its pure form. I know what I'm talking about, I myself work for the French. We call them a beautiful and fashionable word - "investors".
      2. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 29 June 2020 13: 12 New
        +6
        Such large-scale projects are beyond the power of any capitalist state.


        And let's see the numbers, then ....

        The increase in forests in Western Europe is 7% over the past 25 years.
        Forest growth in Bulgaria - 12% over the past 25 years.

        We also have a mafia, but they are gradually destroying it, and legal businesses are flourishing - wood processing and the furniture industry are growing rapidly. Instead of kruglyak, we began to export the final product. But, you cut one, you plant two. And pay all taxes and fees.

        There is a merit of the power in the kids - it began to drive the mafia. There is merit of European legislation (it prohibits deforestation and construction in vast areas of the country, called Natura 2000), there is merit of both ecologists and citizens who are very sensitive to the destruction of nature by private companies. And somehow it turns out the balance ...
        1. depressant
          depressant 29 June 2020 13: 58 New
          +7
          Acute reaction of citizens ...
          In the clearing between our houses there were three large trees. Regarding the attempt to cut down one of them, the people staged a noisy protest rally right at the scene of the alleged murder. Cut down. It was in the mid-10s, near the end. For about five years, nothing was cut down the second. The people were already silent. But when they came to chop the third one, the last one, a peasant ran out of the neighboring entrance of my Khrushchev and drove the scaffolders with mates-rematters. The mayor did not dare to insist, even set up a bench under the rest - a haven of old women returning from the store.
          But I do not know.
          When the second tree was cut down, at the end of the meadow a new sprout mysteriously appeared. Swung over the summer. Thin and flexible. In winter, he bent under a large delivery van set on him. I thought then: that's it, it's over. But in the spring the wagon drove off and never returned. To my surprise, the tree straightened and began to stretch. And now I look at him from the window of my kitchen: powerful, beautiful, already higher than the nearest three-story building. And densely doused with fresh foliage shining under the sun. Its branches sway under the gusts of wind, and the rustle of its leaves, sometimes fading in the shade, then flashing with sparks of light, flows into the general green noise of the village community of trees and grasses.
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 29 June 2020 15: 07 New
          -4
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          There is a merit of the power in the kids - it began to drive the mafia.

          How's the trash business?
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 29 June 2020 15: 56 New
            +4
            How's the trash business?


            Right! The garbage shop in Bulgaria was covered up, different people sit in the Investigation Department, the heating and power plants were forbidden to burn garbage, the borders were closed for the import of garbage for recycling. By the way, as recycling said, this is a normal business in Europe, but our whole society reacts so negatively that no rubbish is allowed for recycling at all. Yes, and so it is better, otherwise our and the Italian mafia tried to turn the country into a dump, but now Italian and Bulgarian prosecutors are chasing them. And nowhere to run ... :)
        3. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 29 June 2020 15: 37 New
          -4
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          The increase in forests in Western Europe is 7% over the past 25 years.
          Forest growth in Bulgaria - 12% over the past 25 years.

          Strictly speaking, I meant projects comparable to the Stalinist plan for the transformation of nature.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 29 June 2020 11: 48 New
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    Big money, very big .... there is not even a bear prosecutor, but some who are more impudent, more greedy.
    It's really scary to look at it all ....
    1. unaha
      unaha 29 June 2020 12: 12 New
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      It mowed down in 2 years. I did not find the truth of the previous photo for comparison.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 June 2020 13: 43 New
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        I flew over the taiga ... I don’t complain about the memory. I really do not want to come to that situation / trouble when I want to forget that sea of ​​forests that was before.
  6. Sergey49
    Sergey49 29 June 2020 11: 49 New
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    Need to be included in the constitution, it will help immediately :)
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 29 June 2020 13: 46 New
      +3
      Yes, who will plant him, he’s .... partner, matchmaker, brother, nephew ...... of that, for the order and different observances of all sorts of different things we have to watch.
      Strictly according to Zhvanetsky .... if you want to have it, go to guard, preferably in a higher chair, in a larger office.
  7. Dedok
    Dedok 29 June 2020 11: 49 New
    +8
    Power - state of affairs in the forest - suits
    True, the forests - soon will not remain ...
    Then there will be Programs, the most severe laws, etc. etc.
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 29 June 2020 12: 09 New
      +9
      Power - state of affairs in the forest - suits
      True, the forests - soon will not remain ...


      Well - soon ... For this age, it’s enough, after all ..
      And they will not live longer anyway ..))
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 June 2020 12: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: Dedok
      Power - state of affairs in the forest - suits
      True, the forests - soon will not remain ..

      On empty, no laws on forest conservation will be needed. They ruin the light planets.
  8. Poetry
    Poetry 29 June 2020 11: 51 New
    +6
    Our grandchildren will only have stumps.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 29 June 2020 12: 04 New
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    It was necessary to write about saving the forest in the Constitution ... smile
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 29 June 2020 12: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      It was necessary to write about saving the forest in the Constitution ...

      So it was spelled out:
      The Constitution (Basic Law) of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (approved by decree of the Extraordinary VIII Congress of Councils of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics of December 5, 1936)
      Article 6. Land, its subsoil, water, forests, factories, factories, mines, mines, railway, water and air transport, banks, communication facilities, large agricultural enterprises organized by the state (state farms, machine-tractor stations, etc.) as well as utilities and basic housing in cities and industrial centers are state property, that is, the public domain.

      But I did not like it and did:
      Article 9
      1. Land and other natural resources are used and protected in the Russian Federation as the basis of the life and activities of the peoples living in the relevant territory.
      2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership.
    2. depressant
      depressant 29 June 2020 13: 03 New
      +6
      And it was also necessary to stipulate in the Constitution that the Constitution is not only enforceable, as prescribed in article 15, paragraphs 1, 2, 3, but also what happens for its failure to be implemented. Not spelled out. Laws, which spell out what happens for non-fulfillment of the Constitution, are not executed.
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 29 June 2020 14: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      It was necessary to write about saving the forest in the Constitution ... smile

      laughing and the fact that the symbol of Russia is a birch
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 29 June 2020 15: 19 New
        +1
        and the fact that the symbol of Russia is a birch
        and other tree species ... smile
  10. Roman123567
    Roman123567 29 June 2020 12: 05 New
    10
    power is fighting felling or pretending?

    Are there still individuals who believe in this ??)
    1. Don
      Don 29 June 2020 12: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Roman123567
      power is fighting felling or pretending?

      Are there still individuals who believe in this ??)

      How can one call into question Gogol’s famous statement about the first trouble? “There are two troubles in Russia: fools and roads”So, the answer to your question is positive, there are and always will be yes
  11. Campanella
    Campanella 29 June 2020 12: 07 New
    0
    Here it is necessary to speak formidable "Sha".
    And not just, but also to give green light to Russian forest processing.
    Putin should have included such things in national projects.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 29 June 2020 12: 22 New
      +6
      Putin should have included such things in national projects.
      .... The Constitution is even better smile as an amendment ... Terrible sha ....
      - This is my tooth.
      - Have you heard how stupid? He is not yours, not even mine, understand? He is theirs! (from)
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 29 June 2020 12: 51 New
        +3
        The constitution, of course, is good, but besides you need to hang hooks.
        And about "my-my-theirs" even close people sometimes suddenly turn out to be theirs ...
  12. Kronos
    Kronos 29 June 2020 12: 16 New
    +4
    In the Carpathians, a similar problem there is constant flooding because of this
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 29 June 2020 12: 55 New
      0
      Flooding is more humane, in my opinion.)))
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 29 June 2020 13: 15 New
        +1
        Given the fact that people are dying there, for example, in 2008, several hundred died 3 people this year
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 29 June 2020 15: 37 New
          0
          In any case, people suffer ... And how do they manage these floods? Dam breaking through?
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  13. Alexfly
    Alexfly 29 June 2020 12: 17 New
    +7
    The answer is simple and lies on the surface - to shoot and confiscate property from the persons involved, as well as their families, blacklist these persons, restrict their rights, etc. Only this will never happen.
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 29 June 2020 12: 53 New
      -1
      Soft power and an alternative can be more effective than executions. Executions are a remedy for reckless.
      1. depressant
        depressant 29 June 2020 13: 14 New
        +7
        Soft power? This is when the government pretends to exist, and the villains pretend to obey?
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 29 June 2020 15: 30 New
          +1
          When power pretends it is not soft power, but deceit and deceit.
          Soft power is a transparent financial system, control over state funds, targeted tax policy, competently adjusted preferential policy.
          And most importantly, the return to full control of industries related to minerals and natural resources.
          1. Alexfly
            Alexfly 30 June 2020 11: 48 New
            -1
            Targeted tax policy - talking from the evil one ...
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 30 June 2020 12: 17 New
              0
              What is onion here?
              If society has a goal, then all state institutions are oriented accordingly.
              Our tax system mainly works to raise funds in favor of the state.
  14. Gato
    Gato 29 June 2020 12: 22 New
    +4
    A similar question can be asked about Russian oil, gas, etc.
    1. Gato
      Gato 29 June 2020 12: 55 New
      +1
      No, Gazprom was correctly named "Russia's Property". Just for some reason they forgot to add "Wholesale and retail sales"
  15. alone
    alone 29 June 2020 12: 25 New
    +6
    To understand the scale of forest theft, it’s enough to look at satellite images, where empty squares are already clearly appearing, where there is already nothing. Moreover, huge squares .. For hundreds of square kilometers
    P.S. Deforestation was done before .. But at the same time, the forest was restored .. planted seedlings .. Now it’s not beneficial to anyone.
    P, C, C. Incidentally, a very profitable business .. They steal wood and carry it to China, they make furniture and various products there, and then back to Russia .. And they sell them at exorbitant prices ..
    And this could be organized at home ..
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 29 June 2020 12: 32 New
      +3
      Why is it for lumberjacks and businessmen?
    2. Campanella
      Campanella 29 June 2020 13: 00 New
      0
      Look at Forbes Potanin’s face, he just stroked the north for cut paper, what do we want from some Aboriginal people?
      And we have a lot of ideological wrestlers with foam at the mouth proving the effectiveness of private management! Here he is this management in all its glory!
      Money doesn't smell. Capitalism is the curse of mankind!
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 30 June 2020 13: 26 New
        +1
        "Dirty" naturally
  16. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 29 June 2020 12: 39 New
    +6
    But the documents are drawn up not by businessmen and not bandits, but by the authorities themselves. AND The main culprits in deforestation are, of course, precisely the corrupt officials in regional and municipal administrations and other executive bodies.

    If the punishment for intentional arson of the forest is:

    something will change. Perhaps Mr. OSS will not say:

    Nobody will “surrender” their customer except under the threat of the death penalty. All this chatter will not lead to good, and until instead of the taiga remains ashes, no one scratches oneself.
  17. prior
    prior 29 June 2020 12: 41 New
    0
    Well, where does the forest, the main amendment to the constitution!
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 29 June 2020 15: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: prior
      Well, where does the forest, the main amendment to the constitution!

      it was necessary to ban illegal deforestation in the constitution ... forgot, however request
  18. bk316
    bk316 29 June 2020 12: 48 New
    +2
    Well, I don’t know about China, but even 300 km from Moscow they cut mercilessly. Disgrace of course.
    However, if anyone was in the central part of the Kola (Vyalozero region), there under Stalin they cut down an entire forest for tens of kilometers. Now almost everything has recovered, though so far it is light forest. This I mean, it’s not too late to stop and fix everything.
    1. unaha
      unaha 29 June 2020 13: 15 New
      +2
      Yes, but they cut down the needles, then soil erosion (the layer is thin and a stone underneath), hardwood will be restored in 50 years, and only after a century will restoration of conifers begin.
      Well, the climate is changing, the forest zone is now significantly higher than at the beginning and even the middle of the last century.
      1. bk316
        bk316 29 June 2020 14: 55 New
        +1
        Yes, but cut down with needles, then soil erosion

        In the central part of the Kola there is no deciduous forest, only dwarf forests along streams.
        Erosion certainly was, but in 70 years everything was overgrown. On the hills you need much more years.
  19. Maks1995
    Maks1995 29 June 2020 13: 15 New
    +2
    And what is the article about? About the export of the lawless? so it has long been known.
    The Kremlin then said that everything is ok, and a year ago - you need it - you follow, human rights defenders are green.

    The result is what, the author? A thief should sit in jail? So it’s clear.
    Not sitting? Why? - common words in the article.
  20. Doccor18
    Doccor18 29 June 2020 13: 34 New
    +3
    The total damage from the illegal export of wood and deforestation is estimated by experts at 1 trillion rubles annually

    When such money is at stake, then cancel the declaration, do not cancel, and the forest will be cut.
    Do not cancel the declaration, but a long prison term with confiscation of property must be entered!
  21. Citizen of the Russian Federation_4
    Citizen of the Russian Federation_4 29 June 2020 13: 52 New
    +3
    About 80 years ago for this would have been put to the wall.
  22. Free wind
    Free wind 29 June 2020 14: 06 New
    +2
    The forest in Siberia and the Far East is not felled by black loggers, but yellow and quick-eyed. And guess three times under whose patronage they brought them here. Local can now be ordered to enter the forest, everything has been given to the Chinese. Well, you continue to think about a tricky plan, and now they’ll even light up a counter plan .....
  23. Kestrel
    Kestrel 29 June 2020 14: 33 New
    +5
    The authorities in the Russian Federation, unfortunately, are pretending to be more involved in the problem of barbaric deforestation and generally green areas in the Russian Federation. And this is a problem not only of the taiga, but also of the cities of the Russian Federation, where huge green areas are cut down for the sake of the next construction, which causes enormous damage to the ecology of the cities of the Russian Federation, while a lot of people do not even live, but survive in low-rise emergency houses built 40 - 60-ies of the last century, which it is high time to let demolish and build in their place modern high-rise buildings, leaving alone city parks and other greenery !!!
  24. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 29 June 2020 14: 35 New
    -1
    What does the author care about, that the forest is taken out by the treasury?
  25. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 29 June 2020 15: 29 New
    +2
    From time immemorial, Russia has traded timber, since the time of Peter the Great, this type of business has always been under the control of the state, we will curtail timber production, we will lose our share in the world market, the author of the article named corrupt officials in regional and municipal administrations and other executive bodies "
  26. Victorio
    Victorio 29 June 2020 17: 25 New
    +1
    it was not necessary to give this type of activity to private capital
  27. Victorio
    Victorio 29 June 2020 17: 40 New
    +1
    And the main culprits in deforestation are, of course, precisely the corrupt officials in regional and municipal administrations and other executive bodies.
    ===
    the main culprits are the organizers, and these are not always officials, rather, even that they are also executors.
  28. Junior Warrant Officer
    Junior Warrant Officer 29 June 2020 19: 47 New
    -2
    But do the patriots even understand that neither Navalny and the teenagers, nor Lukashenko, nor the Ukrainians, nor the Poles and the Balts combined, nor even the State Department employees are cutting our forest?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 June 2020 21: 00 New
      +2
      Our locals are mainly engaged in deforestation for money, of course - since there is no other work there and will not be there.
  29. roma13xz
    roma13xz 1 July 2020 15: 25 New
    +1
    It’s easier to ban the export of woods to China and that’s all, but for now we hear only empty bullshit from the authorities about preserving Siberian forests. Every day I see timber trucks carrying woods, even cedar, along the river where grayling used to be caught and pine trees stood in two girths, now everything is cut , everyone knows everything and everyone knows everything .........